Merry Christmas!

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  1. okrahead says:

    Dear Santa,
    As usual I have not been nearly so good as I should have been. Nevertheless, I humbly request that you do what you can to see to it that I receive another year of frequent posts from Dalrock.
    Many thanks,

  2. Daniel says:

    Hail and blessed be the hour and moment In which the Son of God was born Of the most pure Virgin Mary, at midnight, in Bethlehem, in the piercing cold.

    Merry Christmas!

  3. Voxofreason says:

    Merry Christmas to you and yours Dalrock and thank you for all you do.

  4. Merry Christmas, Dalrock!

  5. BillyS says:

    Merry Christmas to all!

  6. Oscar says:

    Merry Christmas, brothers!

  7. feministhater says:

    Merry Christmas to you Dalrock. Have a joyous day with your family.

    Merry Christmas to the other brothers here. Be safe Oscar.

  8. mrteebs says:

    Ironic that the best things in life are free — including the things I like to read the most: The Bible. My Rick Renner devotionals. Dalrock.

    Thank you for the obvious investment of time and energy that goes into every post. They are appreciated more than you’ll know. There is a band of brothers around these parts. Although I don’t comment frequently, it does not mean I am not reading, being challenged, and finding encouragement in kindred thoughts on the upside-down world we inhabit and the inverting lens you provide.

    Merry Christmas and God Bless You.

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  10. Opus says:

    There are people who suppose that Christmas concerns the events in a stable in the little town of Bethlehem just over two thousand years ago. This is of course not so, Xmas concerns everything Dickensian; lots of snow, lots of Bob Cratchit and lots of Bah Humbug from Mr Scrooge. Dickens started out as a law clerk in the town of Chatham (of which Billy Childish himself from Chatham – Tracy Emin’s ex boyfriend – later wrote that were it not for the buildings and the people Chatham would be a wonderful place – I tend to agree). Dickens in later life bought Gads Hill Place a property situate between the City of Rochester (in the cloisters of the Cathedral where Edwin Drood is set) and the town of Gravesend on the southern bank of the River Thames (where your Pocohontas is buried) which is now a girls Primary (private) school indeed one of my ex gfs was a pupil there.

    There are those however who see Xmas as the day when Her Majesty our sovereign and Head of the Empire at 3 pm precisely broadcasts her State of the Union address – hopefully avoiding any reference to her troubled family especially the Duke of York and the American Grifter that is now her Grand-daughter in law – and which every English person (I cannot account for Canuckians, Ozzies or Kiwis) listens to. I will be tuning in on The British Broadcasting Corporations Home Service (now known as Radio 4) to hear what she has to say. Remarkable is it not that for now nearly seventy years she has been doing this each Christmas and has not even once so far been impeached or received the threat thereof. At the end of the broadcast they will play the National Anthem My Father (as a former British Army officer) always stood and saluted throughout the anthem even though he was only watching the television (I don’t have one of those new-fangled Scottish devices).

    Merry Christmas

  11. Oscar says:

    @ feministhater

    Thanks! Merry Christmas to you!

  12. Testi says:

    And a happy New Year to all

  13. Eduardo the Magnificent says:

    Christ our savior is born! Merry Christmas to all of you.

  14. feeriker says:

    A Merry and Blessed Christmas to Dalrock and family, as well as to all who frequent this site and their families.

  15. Expat Philo says:

    Merry Christmas

  16. Griffin says:

    Gloria in excel is Deo!

  17. Dale U says:

    Merry Christmas to all my brothers here. May God bless us as he sees fit. Thanks be to God for his loving sacrifice, of which we are totally undeserving.

  18. Paul says:

    Merry Christmas! Let’s celebrate the incarnation of the Son of God who came to reconcile all who believe in Him with the Father through rebirth by His Spirit.

  19. RedPillNoob says:

    Merry Christmas, one and all; Remember the Reason for the Season – Christ.

  20. SEAN MCINTIRE says:

    Dalrock, did you see this from Anna Hichings (yea that 1)

  21. Damn Crackers says:

    Merry Christmas to all.

  22. A Regular Guy says:

    Merry Christmas! Christ is born! Glorify him!

  23. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    New York to prohibit stores from charging more for female products:–slash–cuomo-acts-against-price-discrimination-on-female-goods

    This article is a bit confusing. The legislation seems to regulate pricing, but it’s described as “slashing the pink tax.”

    Governor Andrew Cuomo unveiled a new proposal to eliminate the so-called “pink tax.”

    The governor said the legislation will stop gender-pricing discrimination for female products, like razors or shampoo.

    The proposal would also require establishments to post a price list for certain services.

    Businesses that violate the law would be subject to civil penalties.

    A 2015 study by the city’s Consumer Affairs Department found women’s products cost an average of 7 percent more than similar items for men, with personal care products for women found to be priced 13 percent higher.

    Back in 2016, Governor Cuomo signed legislation that prohibited a tax on menstrual products, making New York one of the first states to ban so-called “Tampon Tax.”

    Tampon Tax? I think they mean that the normal sales tax is unfair if applied to tampons, because only women use tampons. So the sales tax become a “tampon tax” and is hence “discriminatory.”

  24. Agape says:

    Jer 10, you should all read it, as every one of you is engaging with a pagan heathen festival, Saturnalia, that has nothing whatsoever to do with scripture at all. No one knows when Christ was born, but it wasn’t at the winter solstice.

    Your God commands you to observe His feast days, they are listed in the Bible, I imagine you all observe precisely zero of them, and maybe (probably) choose even to ignore His weekly Sabbaths.

    Oh Lord, open their eyes now, before it’s too late, help them to repent. Amen.

  25. BillyS says:

    Let them use men’s products then. Nothing special for women!

  26. Oscar says:

    @ Agape

    Horus…. is that you?

  27. Oscar says:

    @ Agape

    Or, are you Pastor Kathy?

  28. cynthia says:


    Ahh Anna. Poor Anna. I feel bad for her, I really do. I left a comment over there, but since she’s unlikely to pull it out of moderation, except maybe to tell me that I’m wrong and that complaining on the Internet is more productive than praying for guidance, I figured I’d repost it here:

    A woman giving dating advice to men is about as wrong-headed as a man giving dating advice to women (and there are plenty of them that do that).

    While I understand that everyone has her own perspective, I can’t help but feel that the writer’s is colored heavily by confusion about why men won’t date her. She can’t make it easier for herself by demanding men change to do what she wants. Also, she’s incorrect on a number of points.

    First, it’s not a man’s desperation for a date that’s a turn-off; if he’s desperate just to spend time with you, there are bigger problems there. Where most men come across as creepy/desperate/uncomfortable is when they want sex. That’s not a subtle distinction either. If a man asks you out, doesn’t infer that he wants to bang you at the end of it, and he seems a little nervous about it, he actually might be a good guy and you should give him a chance. A little bit of nervousness or worry is a GOOD THING. Only jerks are going to approach you with zero confidence problems. Once you have this happen to you a few times, the difference becomes clear. (I use “you” rhetorically here).

    Second, this:
    “ Let’s be honest – most men will naturally gravitate towards the prettiest, most vivacious girl in the room”
    Is dead wrong. There have been studies about this. Women do this, yes we do, but men don’t. In fact, being a hard 9-10 in appearance is likely to disqualify a girl from consideration by most guys because they don’t think they have a chance. If a girl’s getting to that hard 9-10 with make-up and clothes, not every man wants to deal with the high maintenance crazy that’s being signaled. These women mostly get approached for sex or by overconfident jerks. Most decent men (again, not the ones cruising for no-strings sex) have a pretty reasonable assessment of their SMV and approach women they perceive as roughly equal. Men don’t usually think they’re owed a Playmate bunny of the year, and don’t usually behave that way.

    Women, though, women are programmed in our little instinctive lizard hindbrains to go for the highest quality man we can, which is why you have Prince Charming fantasies everywhere from children’s programming to erotic novels. And being Catholic alone is no hedge against this. It’s part of our psychology, and while there is nothing wrong with it, it is wrong to let it take over your life. I’d day it’a actually more important for a woman to temper her expectations than a man.

    If the author had ever been subjected to raw, unrestrained male sexual behavior, I think she might look at things differently. Being straight up propositioned for sex a few times (or sexually assaulted on a date, or demeaned by your boyfriend for not doing XYZ kinky thing, and so on) puts that slightly nervous “do you want to get coffee sometime?” into context. I’m guessing that hasn’t happened to her, and thank god, those can be really soul-crushing experiences.

    Honey, I’ve said it before, if you want to find the right guy, please look at where you are yourself, and what you can do to improve your chances. You may not get approached, and might have to do the approaching. You may have to join some clubs or volunteer or find other places to meet guys. Talk to your priest about if there are any men your age in the parish. Sign up for eHarmony. Don’t disqualify a guy just because he doesn’t behave or look exactly the way you want him to. Pray a novena or two but please put yourself out there so God has an opportunity to let you meet somebody; your future husband is not going to be dropped at your front door. I wish you all the luck.

  29. blevo says:

    cut to scene:

    Anna opens the door.
    A UPS man awkwardly drops a package at her feet.
    They both squat to pick it up. Their hands touch.
    Eyes lock. Hearts skip a beat.

    she writes him off for his nervousness.

  30. Hugh Mann says:

    Interesting but sad Guardian piece on volunteering at Christmas – a Good Thing, but many of the commenters are estranged from their families. I know the stereotypical Guardianista is a childless wine aunt full of SSRIs, but some sad lives here. Imagine there are just as many men, but they don’t tend to lay it out in public.

    “Christmas is so phoney and so full of bad memories for me. Last time I went back to my family on Boxing Day to stay for the New Year celebrations I was met at the door by my mum who said your brother has had your dinner and I’m going to bed.”

    “Society still seems set up for couples and families – from mortgages to healthcare to every day life. It’s tiring having to explain I have no next of kin. There is no husband to talk anything over with/ help with X/Y/Z.”

    “I too mostly spend Christmas alone (not so much by choice, more through lack of family or partner). “

    “I spend Christmas alone every year. I’m single, parents dead and estranged from the rest of my family. Lonely doesn’t even come close to describing how horrible the build up to Xmas is.”

    “For this woman without family (no contact due to abuse) or partner (can’t find anyone who wants me due to my disability and its effects)”

    “Like you I am estranged (by choice) from my family and I have never been able to find a partner who truly loved me in and my health issues and my family background made things much more difficult.”

  31. Pamphilus says:

    Merry Christmas dalrock! I look forward to more posts, this is my favourite blog and has been very formative in my life. I’m a man in early twenties and every young man should read this blog. May God bless you and your family dalrock aswell as all those who read this.

  32. BillyS says:


    Some women could learn a lot from men about what men want. Men are much more honest about those things than women, overall. It would also have merit since it is so far outside of what most women think today and what everyone tells them.

    They do need to evaluate themselves as well of course, but that is the exception today. Your advice in that area will be completely ignored by most women, even Christian ones.


    How DARE you wish for a strong Christmas? Merry meant strong, so how DARE you rephrase “may the force be strong with you” into your misandric, homophobic patriarchal oppressive religion. Repent and recite 5,000 Hail Thunbergs for believing the Son was sent by the Father to be incarnate forever into a male body by the Holy Spirit. Sir, you speak of rape at the core of your horrific Christmas!
    For yee of little humor, this satire was not meant as offense to the Holy, Holy, Holy Creator. He also has a sense of humor.

  34. white says:

    oh great and mighty Dalrock bless us minions with a post already

  35. Quiet Desperation says:

    I recently received a Christmas card from the most traditional Christian family I know in real life. As is typical of Christmas cards, it contained updates on each family member. I was saddened, though not surprised, to find that the card listed the professional accomplishments of each grown and married daughter, including progress on Master’s degrees. These women all married young and are still of childbearing age but none have any children, having chosen at least for the present to focus on careers and educational pursuits.

    It seems clear to me that the current “Christian” marriage model of “equal partners” is in fact a functionally homosexual relationship, by which I mean that there is no clear delineation of roles between husband and wife, and the wife does not depend financially or in any other way on the husband. The only real distinction between husband and wife is that the wife could bear children if she chose to do so. If she does choose to bear children, she is unlikely to interrupt her career or educational pursuits to care for them as a full time mother and homemaker. And if she does choose to pause her career and care for children, she will be constantly assailed by the grievance mongers peddling discontentment with her choice.

    It appears to me that Satan has almost completely won the war on marriage and families, with the full support of many “Christians” and their organizations. I am aware of no institution that still supports traditional Christian marriage.

  36. Jake says:

    @white just start a flame war

  37. Scott says:


    Agreed. I’ll give some topics:

    —-BEGIN LIST—-
    Catholic vs Protestant vs Orthodox

    Married red-pilled guys who say they are happily married are fooling themselves and their wives are just role playing until the divorce happens

    MGTOW guys are just losers who can’t get laid

    Commenting anonymously is cowardly

    Commenting with your real identity is stupid

    My church is the one and only where none of this applies because we are an oasis of biblical truth and traditionalism in a desert of pozzed and cucked churchianity

    No it isn’t, your church is totally gay

    Any of those a good flame war start?

    I’m all over here like “lets support each other and encourage a return of masculinity and sacramental marriage no matter what our lot in life”

  38. Jake says:


    It was a joke that I suspect went over your head? Text is awful for this.

  39. Scott says:

    No, I got it. I was running with it.

  40. Anonymous Reader says:

    A woman giving dating advice to men is about as wrong-headed as a man giving dating advice to women (and there are plenty of them that do that).

    Women cannot give dating advice to men because they can’t get out of their own solipsistic heads.
    Some men … some … can give dating advice to women, because they’ve done the work to see a woman’s point of view.

    That article you linked to is a typical wall of feminine projection, so it is useless.

    Many philosophical traditions encapsulate complex ideas in a simple form. However these are like the little children’s bath toys: a “pill” that dissolves in water, releasing a shaped sponge the expands many times over.

    Here is one for women: Choose Wisely, Treat Kindly.

    Contains many essays here and on other sites, in just four words.

  41. Anonymous Reader says:


    Online advice from men is useless because they’re doing it all wrong. Except for me, of course.

  42. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Actress Cameron Diaz has first baby at age 47 (rock star husband is 40):

    Another article that will convince ordinary women that they too can marry at rock star, who younger than them, and have their fist baby at 47.

    The article makes no mention of how this baby came to be. Surrogacy? Adoption? Fertility Clinic? The comments are interesting:

    What is wrong with the posters here? All the insulting comments about how this baby came to be born. You did the same thing with the Sussexes, used the pregnancy to attack the mother. It’s absolutely none of your business. Get on with your own life instead of throwing accusations and speculation around.

    And …

    Not even one pregnancy pic. Adoption.. nothing wrong with it. It seems the average age now to have children is 45-50 years old.

  43. locustsplease says:

    @Rpl Diaz has 26 more years before she is in the drivers seat for sexual relations. I cant believe she would spend her chips so soon?

  44. Oscar says:

    @ Red Pill Latecommer

    “The baby’s name is Raddix Madden…. ”

    Raddix? Freaking, Raddix? What kind of name is Raddix?

  45. Thursday says:


    Bless your heart.

  46. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Colleges are now ranked by their LGBTQ friendliness:

    The University of Washington ranks No. 1 in America as the best college for LGBTQ students, according to an annual ranking by and Campus Pride.

    “Just in time for Pride Month,” popular UW President Ana Mari Cauce, herself the first Latina and first lesbian to serve as university president, wrote on her Facebook page, sharing praise with the UW’s Q Center.

    Wow. The first Latina and the first lesbian to serve as UW’s president. A double first. She and UW indeed have cause for Pride.

    Best Colleges combined its Academic and Affordability Metrics with the Campus Pride Index score, a comprehensive rating of the friendliness of college campuses for LGBTQ students, to come up with the ranking.

    UW’s commitment to all students — regardless of their sexual orientation, gender identities and expression — begins with its participation in LGBTQ-friendly college admissions fairs and continues throughout a student’s academic experience,” the ranking read.

    If UW is committed to all students, regardless of their sexual orientation, etc. then how is that achieved with “its participation in LGBTQ-friendly … etc.?

    In concluding that experience, it added: “UW also holds an annual Lavender Graduation to acknowledge and celebrate the accomplishments of LGBTQ students as they complete their studies.” …

    A Lavender Graduation? Do gays also get to attend the regular graduation? And are straights also pressured to celebrate Pride at the Lavender Graduation? So does everyone now attend two graduations?

  47. crazyjim says:

    “The baby’s name is Raddix Madden…. ”

    Raddix? Freaking, Raddix? What kind of name is Raddix?”

    Raddix Madden is the perfect SJW baby name. It’s a play on words –
    Radical Extremist Mad One

    You’re programming the child to want to change it’s gender at 7 !

  48. T.J. says:

    R.I.P. Dalrock. You will be missed.

  49. A Regular Guy says:

    QuietDesperation said, “ I recently received a Christmas card from the most traditional Christian family I know in real life. As is typical of Christmas cards, it contained updates on each family member. I was saddened, though not surprised, to find that the card listed the professional accomplishments of each grown and married daughter, including progress on Master’s degrees. These women all married young and are still of childbearing age but none have any children, having chosen at least for the present to focus on careers and educational pursuits.”

    Today’s Christians are unwittingly acting on Middle Class values believing them to be Christian values. When people build their lives around employment, social status and consumerism, I believe people become afflicted with the spiritual desolation those values bring. As these people become parents, they deceive themselves thinking going to Church on Sundays will give their kids morals. The truth is, all they’re giving their kids is a way to anesthetize their consciences because children see what their parents value and it has nothing to do with God.

  50. poetentiate says:

    Anybody know what happened to

  51. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Successful Hollywood writer/producer, Silvio Horta, 45, dead by self-inflicted gunshot wound:

    Wikipedia says he was gay, but he couldn’t have been too gay to have killed himself.

  52. Quiet Desperation says:

    @ A Regular Guy: I believe in general there is a conflating of Christian and Middle Class values, but in the case I cited I can state with a very high level of confidence that the girls entered their marriages as virgins who have never played on the carousel and who genuinely believe in the gospel of Christ. They are very moral people and true believers. They believe in having children within the context of marriage, just not until they have completed the other parts of their life scripts. I fully expect that each will have a few children in coming years. My concern is that in talking with them about life choices, they genuinely believe that the church and society at large are FINALLY recognizing that women have value outside bearing and raising children, and they are vigorously pursuing opportunities that have historically been incompatible with motherhood. I believe those opportunities are still incompatible with the role of motherhood, in the sense that they dilute the efforts and focus of mothers away from being centered on marriage and family. In summary, I find it deeply tragic that motherhood within the context of Christian marriage is no longer considered a valid sole career even among devout Christians.

  53. Spike says:

    Red Pill Latecomer says:
    January 4, 2020 at 4:20 pm
    “Actress Cameron Diaz has first baby at age 47 (rock star husband is 40):

    Just great. When that kid is young, Diaz will be in her 50s. She will be worn out and exhausted constantly. Benji won’t be much help, since he’s the last in a long list of detachable hipster boyfriends Diaz has had. Legitimising your relationship with marriage doesn’t help: He will still be a detachable hipster boyfriend.
    When that kid is in her teens – the time parents need to be united and strong – Diaz will be in her 60s and Benji will be in his 50s. Neither parent will be strong enough to exert the necessary influence to keep that kid on the straight and narrow.
    Oh yeah. Your 60s is usually when you start expecting your kids to have kids and its’ a thing worth looking forward to. Like the rest of us normal people….

  54. Spike says:

    Off topic Dalrock (Apologies) but I found a doco that readers will like:

  55. The Question says:


    “I remember writing this out and almost marveling at the irony. I had more love and respect for my husband than just about anyone else in my life. And thankfully, I had just enough love and respect for myself to understand how tragic it would have been for both of us if I didn’t honor my own feelings. Because if I didn’t honor my own feelings, I would be lying to myself and my husband, which felt far more like a betrayal than leaving.”

    In other words, to break one’s vows and abandon your spouse means you truly love them.

  56. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    The Question, nearly every sentence in that article is a cliché, so that it’s impossible to highlight the smoking gun.

    Katie Green keeps talking about her need to “honor my own feelings” and “honer my own truth. That staying married was easy, but it took courage and “sacrifice” (her word) to choose divorce.

    Some gems:

    I stumbled across an article written by a woman who left her praiseworthy husband because she felt like she had no other choice. Something wasn’t right.

    No tingles?

    Is this really my only shot with a good man? The more my mind twisted and turned, the angrier I became at society and its invisible set of happiness-slaying rules.

    Anger at being denied happiness.

    Her bio: 30 year-old divorced, ex-corporate marketer from Seattle trying to avoid being a cliché writing about my bumpy path towards doing wtf I really want to do.

    I guess “wtf” she really wants to do is to be a “professional writer,” writing about her marriage and divorce, her future dates, and most of all, her feelings … ehr, I mean, her truths.

  57. The Question says:

    @Red Pill Latecomer

    One of two scenarios:

    1. Married too young before she fully experienced her party years.
    2. Married hastily during the epiphany phase to a man she’s not sexually interested in, and now thinks she can snag a higher status man and/or wants to get back on the carousal.

  58. Spike says:

    The Question:
    Some of the quotes from the article:
    “Women who leave good men are selfish!” said one woman.
    “This woman is frivolous and is setting herself up for future regret!” said another.

    It’s not as if she hasn’t been warned and that she doesn’t know that her future consists of renting an inner-city flat, possibly sharing into her 60s, cats, loneliness, jealousy of her parent friends and a memory of “those she loved and lost…”
    She knows herself. And she STILL persists.
    Is there any helping the modern woman?

  59. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    A new project is “translating” Shakespeare into contemporary English:

    The project’s most radical aspect may be in the writers selected: one of Douthit’s main commitments, beyond strict respect for the original text, was that the writers be at least 51 percent women and 51 percent artists of color.

    Some people object. To which the project director says:

    “Nothing I do is going to hurt Shakespeare,” she says. “I think some of [the reaction] is racism and sexism — [like,] ‘What are you doing messing up my writer and changing the way he’s always been done?’” …

    Caridad Svich, who translated Henry VIII and has also worked as an intralingual translator of Spanish Golden Age plays, notes that focusing reverence and attention on this single, dominant English-language playwright tends to reinforce colonialist ideas around language and culture, privileging one very specific historical tradition. …

    The gender dynamics in Taming of the Shrew, translated by Amy Freed, feel perhaps even sourer in contemporary language. …

  60. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Imagine if the sexes were reverse in the Katie Green article. If a man wrote about his wonderful wife, who worked and sacrificed for him. But he left her because he had to “honor my own feelings.” That he had a right to his happiness. Imagine if he expected to be praised for his decision.

    Can anyone see women praising such a man?

    Women expect absolute commitment from the man. Total freedom for the woman.

    It’s like that ridiculous “Rules for Dating My Daughter” letter. One rule was that the man shall continue dating the daughter “until she is finished with him.” He can never break if off. She can break it off anytime.

  61. Frank K says:

    One rule was that the man shall continue dating the daughter “until she is finished with him.” He can never break if off. She can break it off anytime.

    And just how is cuck-dad going to enforce that rule? Is he going to chase down Chad and wag his finger at him?

  62. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    The world’s first computer scientist was a woman:

    On the anniversary of her birth, we remember one of the most important women in science history, and celebrate the life and work of Ada Lovelace, the first computer scientist.

    Remarkably, this female computer scientist conducted her work a century before the invention of computers! She lived from 1815 to 1852.

    Ada fell head over heels in love with mathematics. While she never became a great mathematician – my research suggests that she reached about the standard of about a third-year university graduate by modern standards – that was no trivial feat for a girl in the early 19th Century…

    It seems Lovelace’s great achievement in computer science was in helping to promote the work of mathematician Charles Babbage. She wrote essays explaining his work.

    Alas, the sexist Babbage didn’t see Lovelace’s contribution as all that important to his work.

    Babbage had the most ridiculous and old-fashioned attitude towards women, even to Ada who was a close friend of his. He never saw her as anything more than, as he put it in his own words, ‘interpretress’ of his work, meaning that he was happy for her to write articles about what he was trying to do but the idea of her helping him to make it all happen was anathema to him.

    Ada did her best and a wonderful essay she wrote about the Analytical Engine is justly regarded as one of the most important documents in what Swade calls the ‘prehistory’ of a computer.

    Ada’s essay, which is known in the computer history fraternity as her ‘Notes’ is extremely readable and gives numerous insights of her own into the Analytical Engine and its potential.

    It is absolutely clear that Ada Lovelace saw the Analytical Engine, quite rightly as a general-purpose machine which could be used to carry out not only mathematical calculations, but a wide range of other functions including even, as she saw, being able to compose music.

    This, of course, is exactly how we use computers today and it is a tragedy that Babbage did not accept an extremely important proposal which Ada made to him on 14 August 1843 in a letter of more than 2,000 words, in which she offered to be in effect the public face of the machine and to discuss Babbage plans and the need for finance with influential people.

    Babbage tersely rejected her offer the following day, on 15 August 1843, and the computer evolution had to wait for a century before it finally took place.

    Sounds like a bright woman. But calling her the world’s “first computer scientist” seems a bit of a stretch.

  63. Frank K says:

    Sounds like a bright woman. But calling her the world’s “first computer scientist” seems a bit of a stretch.

    Calling Babbage’s machine a computer is also a stretch.

    It does seem fitting that a programming language that no one but DoD contractors use is named Ada. I remember all the fuss made over Ada when it was introduced. You hardly hear about it anymore.

  64. Swanny River says:

    I think Dalrock will let us in on what is going on. His posting has noticeably become lighter since last July or August.
    I hope you are doing well Dalrock. I miss his posts on the church (most have been cultural during the sparse posting hiatus) and his plentiful cooments.

  65. SEAN MCINTIRE says:

    Fro ma comment in a Roid Dreher article by a woman.

    “Thank you for addressing the epidemic of pornography in our Christian colleges. Some of your readers are shocked and disbelieving, but at least in my personal experience as someone who graduated from a very conservative, private Christian college, you are not overstating things. While I was never told on a first date that I had to be “OK with it”, many men have implied that to me early in relationships. When I told a male friend that I wouldn’t date someone with this habit, he told me I would not find anyone. Unfortunately, single now at the age of 35, I think he was mostly right. I have met men who did not have an ongoing pornography problem, but they have been few and far between. In my experience, there are men who are hooked and don’t care — they are not eager for marriage. And then there are men who are hooked and feel terrible about it — and they don’t seek marriage because they know they are in sin and can’t lead a family. The few and far between men who are able to conquer their habits marry fairly quickly. I believe there are many, many women who are single today because of pornography. I know several of them. And I would note it’s not that I or the women are know are self-righteous. We would joyfully accept a man who had sinned in this way, as long as he had repented. It’s the fact that so few seem to be able to walk in victory here that is the problem. And I do believe that, in Christ, victory IS possible.”

  66. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Actress Gwyneth Paltrow is marketing vagina-scented candles:

    The 47-year-old actress has listed a $75 candle, which she has cheekily named ‘This Smells Like My Vagina‘, for sale in her online Goop shop and revealed that the geranium, citrusy bergamot, and cedar scented candle, originally started as a joke.

    According to the product’s description: ‘This candle started as a joke between perfumer Douglas Little and GP — the two were working on a fragrance, and she blurted out, “Uhhh … this smells like a vagina” — but evolved into a funny, gorgeous, sexy, and beautifully unexpected scent. …

    Gwyneth — who founded the website in 2008 — is no stranger to sparking controversy on her lifestyle website by previously advising readers to purchase a $15,000 24k gold vibrator and vaginal jade eggs.

    She has also turned her attention to the world of BDSM and, last year, sold a nude underwear set alongside a black whip (currently on sale for $72), which promised to fulfill consumers ‘fantasies’.

    The lingerie set’s product description read: ‘Handmade in England, this saddle leather bra is what BDSM fantasies are made of.

  67. Quiet Desperation says:

    @Sean Mcintire: Pornography is both a cause and an effect of the destruction of the marriage relationship. I believe it was F. Roger Devlin who identified the delay in marriage by women as the driving force behind pornography. It is probably also true that pornography leads many men and women to abandon their quest for marriage. Pornography is clearly Satan’s tool. It is also vital to recognize that most unmarried Christian women are not interested in most men, regardless of good behavior and readiness for marriage, due to female hypergamy. Both female hypergamy and pornography clearly have an impact on the marriage market. Most churches seem to be attacking pornography use by men more or less aggressively, while on the other side of the equation they are constantly pouring fuel on the fire of female hypergamy and they believe this is a very good thing. Female hypergamy is clearly a driver of pornography use by those men who lose in the sexual and marriage market. Of course those men who are caught in the web of pornography should free themselves, and those who are not caught should avoid it like the poison it is. But it is not true that most of the unmarried Christian women will be interested in them as marriage partners if only they abstain from pornography, and everyone needs to know this fact.

  68. Quiet Desperation says:

    Stated concisely, men should abstain from pornography so they can be right with God. Relationship benefits may or may not accrue, but are secondary to the primary purpose for abstinence, which is to please God.

    On a related note, I believe that godly women could put a major dent in pornography by learning to be kind and pleasant, but even being a little bit pleasant seems entirely beyond the abilities of most of them.

  69. Frank K says:

    @QD – Agreed, men should abstain from pornography, not to please feminists (who can’t be pleased anyway), but to obey the Lord.

  70. Where art thou, Dalrock? There are many comments in this thread that are in need of your trenchant response.

  71. Anonymous Reader says:

    Fro ma comment in a Roid Dreher article by a woman.

    “Thank you for addressing the epidemic of pornography in our Christian colleges.

    The good Christian girl who marries at 27 and is appalled by men viewing porn — what was she doing for the previous 7 years, hmm?

    “Epidemic of Porn” — Snort. Yeah, there’s a problem, but stating only half of it is disingenuous. Conservative feminists are always ready to condemn men for porn, and always ready to defend their sisters for the same thing. This is testable.

    Most college people have a smart phone with a lot of memory. Go look at the college man’s phone; browser history, maybe things in memory. There you go. But….next do the same thing with the college woman’s phone, be sure to look at her Goodreads history and what e-stories she’s bought from Amazon for 99 cents. Then report back on exactly what text was found.

    Nobody will do this, of course, because they don’t want to know what girls are really like.

    I used to read Dreher’s blog but it became depressing and annoying, so very negative, so I quit.

  72. SEAN MCINTIRE says:

    anon. but ALL red pill (including all manosphere and TRAD blogs) r depressing and annoying – ALL – including this 1 and Clarey’s and Rollo’s, and Copper’s, Sandman, et fing al!

  73. Scott says:

    Conversations you will never hear on Christian college campuses:

    AFC Christian Guy College Student: Hey Stephanie, remember when you stood up in class that day last year and spoke your mind about men and their porn habits?

    Stephanie: Yes, of course I do!

    AFCCGS: Well, I really took it to heart and I have spent the last year trying to slay the habit. And I am happy to say that I have mastered this passion and not looked at porn for over six months. I remember you said that you know too many guys are using it, and that’s why you have not considered marriage yet. So, I was wondering if you would like to go out some time.

    Stephanie: Yes totally! That’s why I wasn’t interested before. It has nothing to do with the fact that you are 5’7″ and have an average body and kind of blah looking face and a underwhelming presence. It has nothing to do with the fact that you are 22 and have never even held a girls hand. It was the porn. Lets go out now because I am totally interested in you!

  74. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    British lesbian gets 8 years in prison for sexually assaulting underage girls:

    Jake Waton won over teenage girls on social media, swapping flirty messages and intimate pictures with them online before meeting them in person. For many of them, the 16-year-old was the first boy they dated.

    But Jake Waton was actually Gemma Watts — an adult woman. The British 21-year-old posed as a teen boy to groom and sexually assault girls as young as 13, wearing baggy clothing and tucking her long hair under a hat to fool her targets and, in some cases, even their parents.

    On Friday, London’s Metropolitan Police announced that Watts had been sentenced to eight years behind bars for incidents involving four girls. She pleaded guilty to seven sexual assault and grooming charges in a crime that Judge Susan Evans said caused “severe psychological harm” to victims.

    Surprised she got 8 years. I thought British courts were more LGBTQ+ woke.

  75. Kronen says:

    Dalrock, this is right up your alley and you should write a post about it:

    Every man she samples makes her stronger!

  76. white says:

    Apparently John Chrysostom taught chivalry too? It sure sounds like it:

    A husband full of grace should speak to his wife like this:

    I have taken you in my arms, and I love you, and I prefer you to my life itself. For the present life is nothing, and my most ardent dream is to spend it with you in such a way that we may be assured of not being separated in the eternal life reserved for us….

    I place your love above all things, and nothing would be more bitter or painful to me than to be of a different mind than you.

    If the translation isn’t deliberately manipulated this does seem like evidence of chivalry even among the early church

  77. Scott says:

    Chrysostom was a little bit squishy on the topic of how men and women should behave in marriage

    He’s kind of all over the place. Some of it makes me cringe a little

  78. loriannealexander says:

    Quiet Desperation, I used your fantastic comment for a post:

    Thank you.

  79. white says:

    It does seem that Christianity might be inherently susceptible to chivalry. Chrysostom isn’t even related to the “chivalric revolution” of the 11th century, he was a 4th century man. Was his cringey teachings strongly opposed by the Christians of his time? Of course not, he was a very respected theologian in his time. I can even argue that this suggests 4th century Christians as a whole could already be so infected by chivalry they do not oppose his cringey writings. You’ll never find such moments of “squishiness” and women/wife worship in other major religions.

  80. Scott says:

    White, yeah I really don’t know what to make of it. There are homilies and writings where he goes full on crazy patriarchal on submissiveness from wives then in the next paragraph appears to completely undo what he just wrote.

    And I am Orthodox Christian so I am obligated to take these writings very seriously.

  81. white says:


    The “patriarchal” and “submissiveness from wives” part doesn’t say much either: he was a 4th century man, and he is a teacher of the Bible. He lived in a patriarchal society, he grew up in a patriarchal society, both church and state expects him to teach patriarchy. Him teaching patriarchy is just him fitting in. So what’s worth noting here is only his putting women on a pedestal, and the (seemingly) lack of opposition from other Christians during his time to the chivalry he taught.

  82. Scott says:

    Yep, that’s why it’s weird to me. Being hardline on submission and headship for him would have been about as edgy as “happy wife, happy life” is today.

  83. DR Smith says:

    Where is Dalrock?

  84. Paul says:

    In the news; ex-pope Benedict shows the RCC followed Augustine into a gnostic view on sexuality : ” As for the concrete form of celibacy in the ancient Church, it should also be pointed out that married men could only receive the sacrament of Holy Orders if they had committed themselves to sexual abstinence”

    How can MARRIED men ever be asked to live in continued sexual abstinence? For what purpose? They can still be married, are just not allowed to have sex with their own wives anymore by the RCC, contrary to the direct command of St. Paul that wives are entitled to have sex with their husbands, which cannot be deprived.

    as well as a twisted view on marriage contrary to the marriage mystery as expressed by St.Paul in “Ephesians”:
    “Priestly celibacy well understood, if it is sometimes a trial, is a liberation. It allows the priest to establish himself coherently in his identity as spouse of the Church.”

    The Church the wife, bride of Christ the husband, bridegroom, but male RCC priests also married to the Church? Is the RCC in a polyandrous marriage?

  85. Anonymous Reader says:

    Gosh, I was just thinking: “What we really, really need now is another long, drawn out, pointless, emotional Protestant vs. Catholic pissing contest”. Yep. That would be super constructive, that’s what it would be.

    Really great plan, Paul. Should work out so well.

  86. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Rock star Meat Loaf says the key to getting beautiful women is to open doors for them:

    Meat Loaf recently told MailOnline he’s always been able to get the best looking women, even when he was a ‘fat motherf**ker’ (his words). …

    ‘I can’t use bad language but people would ask me, “How can a fat M-F like you go out with all these good looking girls?”

    ‘I said, “because I am not going out thinking about what you are thinking about”.

    ‘These days men don’t open the doors, they don’t do anything right. Truthfully, all they go out for is to get laid.

    ‘I’ve never done that. It’s not my first option; never has been – and that’s why I’ve gone out with all these good looking women.’

    Meat Loaf also claims to have had threesomes, even back in high school. And he doesn’t believe in climate change.

  87. Oscar says:

    Off Topic: There are a lot of remorseless, psychopathic women out there.

    An overwhelming majority of women who get an abortion do not regret the decision to undergo the procedure, according to a new study published in the academic journal Social Science & Medicine on Sunday.

    Researchers surveyed 667 women across 21 states in the US multiple times over a five-year period, tracking each woman’s emotions around their decision to get an abortion. About 95% of women indicated they believe that going through an abortion was the right decision over the course of the study.

    The study asked participants if they had any emotions of sadness, guilt, relief, regret, anger or happiness over their decision. Relief was the most common emotion throughout the five years of the study.

    Millions of women murder their own babies in the womb, and feel no guilt, but masculinity is “toxic”.

  88. Paul says:


    Any error in the Church is worth to be pointed out, especially if it touches upon masculinity, whether Roman Catholic, Protestant, or Orthodox.

  89. feministhater says:

    Millions of women murder their own babies in the womb, and feel no guilt, but masculinity is “toxic”.

    I no longer even care. Modern society has destroyed women. Inside and out. Most are vile, cruel and sadistic. It is indeed better to stay away from them. If they want to blame ‘toxic masculinity’ they can go for it. I don’t care and I don’t listen to their whining. There is no point anymore. Delayed marriage and no authority within that marriage makes it pointless. Porn?! Lol. Yes, blame that, let women off the hook again as men are sure to marry over weight, 35 year old, single moms with two abortions or more under her belt after a slew of relationshits… if it weren’t for that darn porn.

  90. Paul says:

    … and don’t forget the classic “women have a civilizing effect on men”!

  91. locustsplease says:

    God does forgive women for abortions. However if they don’t repent they will not make it to heaven. And they do not repent mostly. It is not just hard to find a repentant woman on abortion it is hard to find a woman who honestly considers herself to have sinned at all.

    Except for the silly sin of not being true to herself, not valuing herself, chosing the wrong people and such. They do not consider themselves murders because that is less that flawless and devine. And the abortion rate is even across the board takes no dip for christianity so all those girls at church 20% of them have or will. If you can pick who has out of a handfull of women you are better than me.

    How many millions of men have married women who had abortions and never told them? And they are not going to tell you if they feel any judgement coming they dont get a guilt trip lying to you to secure your resources, that is a male only thought line.

  92. BillyS says:


    The Biblical alternative (and desired action) to porn is prohibited to most today. That is the core problem.

    Sin will always be present and possible. Allowing women to make it the only way to fulfill some urges is the true root problem no one addresses.


    While I agree with you in principle, I am not convinced porn is the root of all evil that it is portrayed. Overeating is just as pernicious and dangerous, yet it happens all the time with very minimal coverage, for example.

  93. Damn Crackers says:

    Does anyone remember where in the Confessions that St. Augustine prays about his overeating and weight? Maybe he replaced one vice with another.

  94. Oscar says:

    @ locustsplease

    How many millions of men have married women who had abortions and never told them?

    That’s why Christian men need to be clear, and unapologetic about their beliefs on controversial issues. If you say “abortion is murder”, and a woman throws a tantrum, it’s safe to assume that she sacrificed her baby to Molech. As the saying goes, if you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that yelps is the one that got hit.

    Speaking of which.

  95. Frank K says:

    Overeating is just as pernicious and dangerous, yet it happens all the time with very minimal coverage, for example.

    Well, gluttony is considered one of the seven deadly sins. And though our modern culture sweeps gluttony (and most other sins) under the rug, we should not fail to keep our guard up against porn, which is another of the Seven: lust.

  96. Frank K says:

    If you say “abortion is murder”, and a woman throws a tantrum, it’s safe to assume that she sacrificed her baby to Molech

    They seek to silence us because they know we are right. They are in denial and they know it. Much like the atheists who claim they don’t fear death, yet they do everything they can to extend their life spans. Witness the atheist billionaires who quietly invest in life span extending research. And when it fails, they panic. Notice all the fuss that was made when egomaniac Steve Jobs died at age 56.

    A more recent example is 75 year old billionaire Larry Ellison, who has almost vanished from the public eye since the premature death last year of his protege Mark Hurd. He didn’t even attend Oracle Openworld Dubai.

    They are terrified of death.

  97. Anonymous Reader says:

    Not to start up trouble, or restart a feud, but the boys at Warhorn have an audio round table / podcast up. It’s not all bad.

    There are some useful parts, particularly on helping men. Perhaps if those boys could stand to read something from outside their bubble, would be of assistance.

    In particular towards the end of the audio feed there is a story about a man in their church with severe disability who has used his condition to mentor young men. It is a very interesting and heartening thing to listen to.

    Unfortunately, there’s also a lot of blather that lets women’s rebellion slide. There’s also stuff about “wives teaching husbands how to be men” which is so stupid no one should let it go by. On the other hand, towards the end there’s a brief discourse on women’s tears, and how it is a very, very bad idea for women to use tears and men’s reaction to them as a tool for manipulation. To hear anyone from this crowd even admit to the existence of female emotional manipulation was a surprise. Perhaps there is some ability to learn after all.

    Early on there’s Nathan Alberson’s whining, passive-aggressive, totally betaized story about his wife. I admit to being prejudiced against him, because IMO he and his cronies flat out lied to Dalrock and I don’t like liars – especially liars that like to wave the Bible around – but I am sure most men will agree the hill he’s chosen to stand on to prove “masculinity” is really silly. These are the guys that conservative feminists screech about ‘Teh PATRIARCHY!” and yet they are marshmallows.

    Now, I admit that I was not able to listen to this in one sitting, because multiple times I got so annoyed with both the content and the meandering form of the audio that I had to step away. But it’s almost worth the effort just to hear what Tim Bayly sounds like, and to discover what the results of his personality test revealed. There’s not anything new, but as I wrote at the top there are some useful parts.

  98. Quiet Desperation says:

    @loriannealexander: Bless you for providing additional coverage of this very important topic.

    @BillyS: I have long maintained that the solution to pornography is marriage, especially young, life-long marriage. However, as you correctly state, that option is not available to most men. I am not aware of any pastor or church leader who has ever addressed the impact of women delaying marriage on the spread and use of pornography, which I believe is inescapably clear to any honest observer. I understand pornography as a more of a symptom of moral decay than a root cause.

  99. BillyS says:

    Unfortunately that is very true QD. You are never going to effectively limit pornography until you open and enforce the Biblical alternative (better to marry than burn with passion). No Christian leader I have heard preaches that today, they only rag on men for being bad.

    Not productive, but easier than holding women accountable it would seem.

  100. BillyS says:


    I agree that lust remains bad, in all its forms, not just porn (women do it too as has been noted here many times).

    It is usually elevated far above any other of the 7 deadly sins though. That has made most of the preaching against it very ineffective.

  101. Paul says:

    “Better to marry than to burn with passion” has become mostly a hollow phrase, given the amount of Christian women that refuse sex to their husbands. In the USA, 25% of marriages are classified as sexless, and it are generally women who refuse sex to their husbands. Still have to encounter the first Church who speaks out against it.

  102. Oscar says:

    @ Frank K

    Well, gluttony is considered one of the seven deadly sins. And though our modern culture sweeps gluttony (and most other sins) under the rug, we should not fail to keep our guard up against porn, which is another of the Seven: lust.

    There’s a very simple reason why American Christians sweep gluttony under the rug, and you can see it when you attend any random American church. Chances are that a large percentage (oftentimes the majority) of the congregation are obese, including the pastor, and therefore, obviously engaging in gluttony.

    The right thing to do would be for the pastor to preach a sermon on every Scripture on the sin of gluttony, point out the fact that the congregation has a problem with the sin of gluttony, and publicly state that he’s going to take the lead on tackling that sin.

    But that would require repentance, hard work, self discipline, self control, accountability, etc. And most of the fatties in the congregation will simply leave, rather than develop those virtues. We can’t have that, can we?

  103. cynthia says:


    “ And most of the fatties in the congregation will simply leave, rather than develop those virtues. ”

    As has been noted around here before, this encapsulates the most pressing problem faced by Christianity today: the need of pastors to please their congregation, lest they lose their audience and therefore their income. It’s very difficult to speak hard truths when you will lose your living for doing. It seems like a conflict of interest for any Christian minister to make a living being a minister.

    The priests and pastors of more established denominations (Catholics, Orthodox, maybe Lutherans, Episcopalians etc) have a bit more of a buffer between themselves, their flock, and the money. Of course, these larger organizations are tangled up everything from refugee resettlement to schooling, which all equal money coming in, and create similar problems. But it seems to be most highly pronounced in the younger Protestant churches, especially in those non-denominational churches that do not have organizational loyalty to rely on for getting people in the door.

    That’s been my observation, anyway. The question is, how can you correct the messaging without tearing down those constructs?

    Does anybody know if Dalrock is okay? Hope all is well with him and his.

  104. white says:

    Where is Dalrock 😦

  105. Otto says:

    There is an epidemic of obesity, but is it an epidemic of gluttony?

    in the 1960’s only 13% of American adults were obese; today it’s 35%. Human physiology and psychology hasn’t changed since then. Something else is going on.

    I happen to think a large factor is the type of food we eat today, which has radically changed since 1960.

    I like to refer people to the movie “Fat Head” (available now on YouTube):

    Half way through the movie, it gives a great explanation of why someone can be 100 lbs over weight, not on a diet, and still be hungry all…the…time.

    The book “Why We Get Fat” by Gary Taubes has the same information, if you prefer reading.

  106. Expat Philo says:

    The Big Fat Surprise is another book which neatly summarizes the massive shift in the American diet over the past century or so. It also happens to cause some level of blood boiling, so read at your own risk.

    Question: would foodie culture be gluttonous? Epicurean, definitely, but I don’t think that necessarily implies sinfulness.

  107. Dalrock says:


    Does anybody know if Dalrock is okay? Hope all is well with him and his.

    Thank you. All is well in the Dalrock household.

  108. Paul says:

    “Female Teacher accused of rape in threesome”

    Joyce Churchwell (, mother of 2 (Twitter quote: “I’m reading the @YouVersion plan ‘Read Through the Bible’. “) is accused of rape. Yet another female teacher involved with sex with one of her students (who WAS 18), and another adult female (who was not charged).

    What would have happened in the teachers were male and the student female?

  109. Dota says:

    This blog is dead but in 3 days our lord Dalrock shall raise it up!

  110. Lost Patrol says:

    Someday Dalrock may tire of providing this service to humanity.

    It will then be up to us to keep the knowledge alive by passing it along to the younger generations. Tribal lore and whatnot.

    Plus saving stuff on our hard drives.

  111. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    An article that’s partially tradcon, but also has some good stuff in it:

    Author wants to make it easier for women to be stay at home moms, saying that’s what most women want. But it also says that to do this, social policy must benefit men.

    Andrews asks, “Isn’t it time to focus on helping male workers specifically, their wages and their industries?” If you want what is best for men, and women, and families, then you must certainly answer yes.

    Although it is not unusual for men to marry down, women typically marry within their place on or, if possible, up the socioeconomic ladder. These days, many ordinary men, who are neither wealthy nor handsome nor charming, struggle in the sexual marketplace, even though they hold down jobs, pay their bills, and have their acts together generally.

    A higher sexual market value for ordinary men would come about if, thanks to policies advocated by writers like Oren Cass and Patrick T. Brown, it becomes more feasible and more socially acceptable for women to be homemakers who regard men as providers.

    That, after all, is what many women want, whatever feminists, with their outsized and largely negative influence, may say.

    Plus, to the extent that ordinary men increasingly are losers in the sexual marketplace, struggling where such men did not do so even in the recent past, our country will be plagued by even more social evils, from the incels and depression to drug abuse and suicide.

    The economy is booming, it’s often said, but one thing that’s often overlooked is the record number of people who are not in the workforce, having effectively dropped out of society. Most of these persons are men, and they are in a bad way. Many feel they have nothing to live for, and so they turn to all sorts of vices in their despair.

    If we consider that most jobs don’t afford a deep sense of satisfaction, being things men do only for instrumental reasons, the special — indeed incomparable — value provided by family life becomes clear.

  112. Jake says:


    Eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die is sinful. It is specifically called out on the new testament.

  113. Quiet Desperation says:

    @RPL: Similar arguments were presented by F. Roger Devlin in his essay Home Economics. I highly recommend reading it if you haven’t already done so. It is one of the classic works of our time. An Excerpt:

    “…men must reestablish their rightful position in the world of work: I propose the slogan “Take Back the Day.” This will require an end to antidiscrimination law as it relates to the sexes.

    In part, the purpose of men’s reestablishing themselves as breadwinners is simply to enable them to support children, of course. But it may also be necessary to make them attractive enough to women that they can start a family. We need to reestablish a “masculine mystique” in the mind of young women, teaching them once again that they are insufficient unto themselves and stand in need of a man. That is rarely obvious to a modern young woman with a well-paying job and no children. But plenty of evidence concerning fatherless homes indicates that men are as necessary to women as ever over the course of a lifetime. Men, too, need to understand that they have an essential role to play in the home — that the purposes of the family cannot be properly carried out in their absence.”

  114. Scott says:


    When I joined the army, I was in the middle of my divorce. I was 30.

    I worked on a psych ward as a tech and there was one nurse there who was, I would guess, in her 60s.

    At the time, I was in a pretty bad place and I would talk with her in the break room about my woes. She once said to me, “you are the kind of guy who struts into the room with your cowboy boots and everyone knows a man is now here. My husband is like that and when he comes home at night, all my anxiety goes away because I know I am safe. You will not be single for long.”

    Now, I have no precise idea of what she is talking about, because I am not a woman. Or if she was just trying to cheer me up.

    But I get the feeling that her talking about it said as much about her as it did about me or her husband. She williningly accepted that reality and was very happy about it. She felt that “all these young girls today don’t know what they are missing” and sentiments like that.

  115. Oscar says:

    @ Scott

    You may not know what the nurse was talking about, but obviously she was right. Things turned out as she predicted, which means she observed reality accurately.

    If she’s still alive, she’d be in her 80s now. There’s a huge gap between her and the young women that young men are pursuing today. She’s precisely the kind of woman who needs to be advising young women that they “don’t know what they are missing”, and women in their 30s and 40s that they don’t appreciate what they have.

    In other words, she’s a perfect candidate to be a Titus 2 woman.

    But there’s been some kind of short circuit that prevents the transmission of wisdom from the old to the young in our culture, and it’s not just men who are affected.

  116. bigjohn33 says:

    It’s not Christmas anymore dalrock

  117. horsemanbombadil says:

    Given that it has been all been said before; we know what caused it, what it means and where it is going, are we all starting to pack it in?

    Ian Ironwood was the first over at the great Red Pill Room, then Mgtow Messenger aka Lazarus on ytube left, Black Pidgeon has slowed, Miggy and TFM are slowed or just reading news articles.

    Now Dalrock the manosphere’s resident statistian goes a month?
    Even Larry at Fabius Maximus, brilliant in analysis has never really offered solutions besides the obvious.

    Which is let it play out. Men getting more and more realistic and disenfranchised. Withdrawing their individual love, attention, protection, support, revenue. Not as a movement to be countered but as individuals each coming independently to the same conclusion.

    As they do society slows, decays, stops innovating, has less to be wasted or consumed. And the lack then forces those who caused it to either do it for themselves or reconsider the needs of those who formerly provided. Hopefully before things go too far down the rabbit hole to violence and collapse.

    Zfg and mgtow and black pill and where are the good men are all variations on the same theme.
    Known, understood, foreseen.

    Is this why so many great voices are self silencing?

    I myself have stopped commenting as I have nothing original to say.


    P.s. Dalrock if you are coming back a few updated stats would be great. I think it has fallen off a cliff in all your indicators since your last batch (birth, marriage, poverty of 50+ single women).
    Has it all been said, are we just

  118. BillyS says:

    Another problem today is that a man can have the socioeconomic status, but still not be able to hold a marriage because a woman can get many of the monetary benefits of a marriage if she leaves and can get a bunch of stuff and ongoing alimony.

    That is another major flaw the article above does not address.

  119. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Rare outcome — Man murders wife — Canadian court says he CAN inherit her insurance policy:

    A schizophrenic man who killed his common-law wife by shooting her from behind a day after she moved out with their 10-year-old son in fear of their lives will receive all of her life insurance policy.

    Richard Maidment, 42, shot his partner Sarabeth Forbes after she returned to their home a day after moving out in April 2017.

    His mental health had been deteriorating at the time and she took their son, who is now 10, out of the home but went back a day later.

    At trial, Maidment was found not guilty of first degree murder by way of insanity.

  120. white says:

    As we head into the new decade, I’m not sure if anyone noticed too but it seems like women are realizing the bluepill is losing it’s appeal and are turning to the blackpill to control men. And the manosphere seems woefully unprepared to meet this new challenge.

  121. BillyS says:


    I have no idea about his situation, but getting away with murder because you were irrational is idiotic. When is murder not a major mental problem?

  122. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Major League Baseball hires its first female coach:

    Alyssa Nakken became the first female coach on a major league staff in baseball history Thursday when she was named an assistant under new San Francisco Giants manager Gabe Kapler.

    Major League Baseball confirmed Nakken is the first full-time female coach in the majors.

    She is a former softball standout at first base for Sacramento State who joined the club in 2014 as an intern in baseball operations. She and Mark Hallberg, who also was named as an assistant Thursday, will work to promote high performance along with a close-knit team atmosphere, Kapler said.

    Kapler had indicated during the winter meetings that he would hire some coaches for nontraditional roles.

  123. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    white: it seems like women are realizing the bluepill is losing it’s appeal and are turning to the blackpill to control men.

    I don’t understand. I thought that Black Pill meant despair and nihilism. Suicide, mass murder, self-destruction, hopelessness. That one has given up, and no longer cares about anything.

    How can women control men by the Black Pill?

  124. white says:


    Demoralized men settle. It’s all about maximizing female sexual opportunity at the end of the day.

    Black pill beliefs are wide and varied, but similar in that it imposes a hard cap on the quantity/quality of women a man is believed to be able to attract. If you consider that the Manosphere back in the 2000s is more about breaking limits (eg Pook), and that the modern Manosphere is more about playing to your limits (eg reddit’s TRP)…. then you’ll realize that to call the Manosphere today “woefully unprepared” against black pill beliefs is a huge understatement. You can’t be “woefully unprepared” when you’ve already adopted the enemy’s frame.

    If I’m right, expect concepts such as “Game” and “cold approaching” to be even more demonized by society as we head into the new decade, yet apps or any other platform that allows women to judge men on looks alone to be even more accepted and celebrated. This would be women enforcing their frame and their reality onto men.

  125. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Here’s a Black Pill:

    An 18-year-old Somali immigrant to Sweden who violently raped a 12-year-old girl has been punished with a mere 180 hours of community service.

    According to recently released court documents, translated by The Daily Caller News Foundation, on Nov. 10, 2014, Guled Mohamud, a Somali citizen who now resides in Sundsvall, lured to his home an unnamed girl who had just days before turned 12 years old. …

    Once the girl was in his home, Mohamud violently raped the preteen, tearing her jacket off and holding her to the ground while repeatedly striking her face.

    Mohamud then forced the girl to perform oral sex on him, while repeatedly taunting her sexually. When the girl returned home, she was covered with blood and bruises …

    I don’t know why West Europeans insist on committing national suicide.

  126. Red Pill Latecomer says:
  127. Rum says:

    One reason that red pill wisdom is not so widespread is that really getting it requires making the difficult mental leap to accepting that God himself made women with a tight barrier between what their conscious fore-brains might be telling themselves (and maybe you as well) and what their hind-brains are constantly deciding on in the darkness inhabited by lusts and preferences hopelessly hidden from the part of their brain that could explain itself to you or even to her.
    That is asking a lot of normal guys in general, much less well brought up Christian nice guys.

  128. Expat Philo says:


    While I’m not going to argue the facts of the article, I would point out that the morals of the essay are this: 1, lol, y’all are such simps, get on my level; and 2, man up and be better so you can please some woman. How does either one of those help anyone?

  129. C’mon Dalrock! It’s been SIX WEEKS since your last post – please throw a scrap or two this way to provide some intellectual nourishment!

  130. Anonymous Reader says:

    That is asking a lot of normal guys in general, much less well brought up brainwashed, Betaized Christian nice guys.

    Churches are Beta factories because the churches are feminized. Women are routinely elevated above men both obvious and subtle ways; the ‘Proverbs 31 woman’ is paraded around regularly. Yet Proverbs 31 is not the only part of that book that refers to women. Although one would get that impression from the vast majority of preachers and teachers, especially Boomers.

    Simple exercise for churchgoing men: take a piece of paper, draw a line bisecting it. Read through Proverbs. On one half, write down the quotes referring to women in a positive way. On the other half write down quotes referring to women in a critical or negative way. Compare and contrast.

    . Putting women on a pedestal is a modern mistake. I do not believe it can be found in the Bible.

  131. Scott says:


    To be precise, I would argue that the Proverbs 31 Woman is not so much paraded. Recall, the woman in Proverbs 31 is presented as a non-existent abstraction An ideal to be striven for, but a perfection that is not attained in this life. This is NOT how she is perceived by the modern Christian.

    She has been co-opted as a way to describe the everywoman. This is the way ALL women are, in their natural state. No need to strive. No need to scratch and work your way into your husbands favor and be labelled “a virtuous wife.”


    It is, in fact one of the reasons I encourage married men to at least have a FB (or whatever social media youre into) page, to get an eye opening dose of what goes on.

    There are countless “proverbs 31” groups out there for women to join on social media. And all of them are the same. They declare themselves to be “provebrs 31” women, with no objective reality test to discern whether or not it is true. Social media is like catnip for women. You need to be around to throw ice cold water on the mutual back-patting society that is found there.

  132. Red Pill Christianity says:

    Dalrock may be going through an extremely busy time. I was out of the country back in Ukraine for a few weeks, then when I came back, there was a rebellion of the owners/residents in my neighborhood. I was reluctant to join in, but I was drafted into the Rebel Alliance here who has been working, without nay remuneration since early Oct 2019. I am the Han Solo of the bunch… reluctant to join the rebellion, but once involved, going in all the way.

    I have not been writing here since I have been involved with the overthrow of a corrupt, abusive, and unresponsive HOA Board and HOA manager (who is longtime friends with a member of Board and may be paying off another member of Board cash behind the table).

    I have been dying to get back here and update you guys on my small “youth” men’s group and Ukraine trip, but been slammed.

    More later. I bet Dalrock is in the same boat, just slammed. Hope to see the D-man back soon. Hope all is well. 🙂

  133. Lost Patrol says:

    Recall, the woman in Proverbs 31 is presented as a non-existent abstraction An ideal to be striven for, but a perfection that is not attained in this life.

    That is a bit of enlightenment that has escaped me every time I’ve read or heard of that Proverb, so effective has been my indoctrination over the years. A woman like that is more likely to be nowhere than everywhere but it would probably be abusive to say it.

    Most, maybe all, the good church going men I’ve known would publicly allow that their wives were pretty much the P-31 woman. It’s basically “settled science” these days. Privately one or two might mitigate that claim but not if there is any kind of audience nearby.

  134. Oscar says:

    @ Anonymous Reader & Scott

    Scott is right. The Proverbs 31 woman is shamelessly abused in Churchian circles today. I once knew a woman who referred to herself as a “Proverbs 31 woman” even though she cheated on her husband, contracted an STD, then cheated on him again with his boss, broke up the boss’ marriage and family, then divorced her husband and moved in with the former boss*.

    If a literal cheating, home-wrecking, diseased whore is a Proverbs 31 woman, then who isn’t?

    * Army stories: am-I-right, Scott?

  135. Scott says:


    Yes when Mychael was a DA civilian nurse at the clinic at fort hood, she was overwhelmed with the “I was raped and that’s how I got pregnant while my husband is deployed” stories.

    Everybody is having sex with everybody.

    I’ve mentioned it before but one of the O-6 deputy commanders of the hospital used to come to the clinic while I was in Afghanistan and specifically ask to be seen my Mychael. He would undress in the exam room even though no one asked him to for when she walked into the room

    He would always remove his ring beforehand

    Eventually he was PCSd after Mychael complained about it.

  136. Scott says:

    I was a captain at the time.

    He was trying to pull a modern day David and Bathsheba on me.

  137. drifter says:

    He was trying to pull a modern day David and Bathsheba on me.

    A notable difference being that she wasn’t bathing within eye-shot of his observation deck.

  138. wilandmari says:

    Dalrock, if you’re done then will you please let us know so I don’t have to keep checking every day to see if there is a new post?

    [D: My apologies. See the new post.]

  139. Anonymous Reader says:

    To be precise, I would argue that the Proverbs 31 Woman is not so much paraded.

    She has been co-opted as a way to describe the everywoman.

    That’s what i meant to write. Your point about FaceBook groups is very good. Although those men who grew up with sisters and paid attention should be very aware, but it isn’t always so. One of the difficulties in fitting The Glasses on a man is it requires him giving up some pretty lies that he was told by various people most of his life.

    Lost Patrol
    That is a bit of enlightenment that has escaped me every time I’ve read or heard of that Proverb, so effective has been my indoctrination over the years. A woman like that is more likely to be nowhere than everywhere but it would probably be abusive to say it.

    Something – something – “rarer than rubies” – something? Maybe it’s just a coincidence that after warning young men about bad women who will cheat, lie, nag, pick fights & generally make a man so miserable he would rather live on a rooftop or in the wilderness … at the very end of the book there’s an ideal presented.

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