Fruits of chivalry

Scott commented:

Whether it’s dressing in a fairy tutu to go trick or treating with your daughter or playing football in pink, if you don’t want to participle it is said that you can’t just have a little fun or that you are not secure in your masculinity

Part of why this form of virtue signaling flies especially well with conservatives is that it scratches the chivalrous itch.  In the chivalrous worldview a man being humiliated to appease the cruel whims of a woman is the ultimate in masculine virtue.  That conservatives are doing the heavy lifting for social justice warriors and corrupting our youth in the process is a small price to pay.

And make no mistake, this isn’t innocent chivalrous fun.  When I was looking for the Swedish book referenced in my last post I came across a 2017 article about young UK schoolboys wearing dresses in Gay Star News titled Here’s to the brave boys who decided to wear a dress to school for World Book Day

While most boys may have popped for Harry Potter or Captain America, a few kids decided to give a well earned kick to gender norms and go as The Boy In The Dress.

The story, written by comedian David Walliams, is a beloved children’s tale about a young guy that loves cross-dressing and football and is not afraid to be himself.

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181 Responses to Fruits of chivalry

  1. TheTraveler says:

    Um…no.

    Dresses are for women. Women’s stuff is for WOMEN.

    Argument: To prove you’re a real man, you have to act like a woman.

    Logic fail. Not surprising: the devil is all about emotions.

  2. Jim says:

    Being effeminate or some other kind of pervert is now “brave”. And make no mistake. Normalization of pedophilia is coming. And the cuckservatives will be more than happy to virtue signal for it too like they’ve done for everything else the Left wants to normalize. Oh that’ll never happen? They’re already fine with homos and some even trannies now. They hate men just as much. Hell, they already tell men, “fuck you” when discussing divorce courts, VAWA and so on. Fuck you’re rights! Bow to vagina anyway! Tradcon cucks are worse than the Left, At least the Left doesn’t pretend to be on your side these days. What a bunch of worthless maggots.

    Cunts are gonna cunt and cucks are gonna cuck.

  3. Anonymous Reader says:

    Rather a lot of modern political thought and action can be reduced to a toddler’s temper tantrum:

    You’re not the boss of ME!

  4. vfm7916 says:

    In short, don’t be a conservative.

    Be a Christian Nationalist.

  5. Anon says:

    The good news is that cuckservatives are an almost fail-safe indicator of a social trend about to die out completely. When cuckservatives are enthusiastic about something, it is on its way out.

  6. Anon says:

    This is something I have said often, but mark my words :

    Pretty soon (perhaps 2021) there will be a cartoonish cuckservative who berates men for not marrying MtF transgenders. The cuckservative will simultaneously brag about how much he does to defend traditional marriage, by demanding men marry MtF ‘women’.

  7. Minesweeper says:

    @Anon says:”Pretty soon (perhaps 2021) there will be a cartoonish cuckservative who berates men for not marrying MtF transgenders. The cuckservative will simultaneously brag about how much he does to defend traditional marriage, by demanding men marry MtF ‘women’.”

    You mean apart from vfm or 7817 ?

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  9. Scott says:

    Always an honor to be the inspiration for a Dalrock post

  10. Anon says:

    “You mean apart from vfm or 7817 ?”

    ??

    Are there already cuckservatives advocating this?

  11. you can’t just have a little fun or you are not secure in your masculinity

    What’s the instant counter to this? Punching them wouldn’t work. Logic wouldn’t work either, they don’t believe in logic, only in feelings. Maybe ask them if they are secure in their feminism and if yes (what else can they answer) tell them to go make you a sandwich immediately?

  12. 7817 says:

    In the chivalrous worldview a man being humiliated to appease the cruel whims of a woman is the ultimate in masculine virtue. That conservatives are doing the heavy lifting for social justice warriors and corrupting our youth in the process is a small price to pay.

    Only thing more virtuous for them is to convince a bunch of other men to be “servant leaders” of their homes, instead of to be actual leaders in their homes. See any complementarian pastor.

  13. Scott says:

    Pardon the interruption.

    https://ljubomirfarms.wordpress.com/2019/10/11/scott-and-mychaels-advice-for-marriage-and-romance/

    Back to the topic at hand.

    The elegance of the “you aren’t secure in your masculinity” quip is that it preys on one of mens biggest fears. To be seen as unmanly. You cannot wiggle out of it because everyone “knows” that a real mans ego can survive debasing himself for a cause–because his real manliness is so secure and overflowing with surplus masculine kick ass manly traits that a little tutu wearing or whatever won’t even put a dent in it.

  14. 7817 says:

    In the chivalrous worldview a man being humiliated to appease the cruel whims of a woman is the ultimate in masculine virtue.

    It’s really an anti Christ view. If we are supposed to see marriage as a representation of Christ and the Church, the standard church trope of seeing a man humiliate himself just for a woman’s enjoyment becomes something approaching blasphemous.

    Sacrifice isn’t just done for fun. If it’s necessary there should be a worthwhile reason, and again, if we are following the biblical model, the wife is indebted to her husband for his sacrifice.

  15. Anonymous Reader says:

    @Scott
    “You aren’t secure in your masculinity” is just a fitness test from women or a whine from a would be AMOG. We should not waste time attempting to live up to women’s standards, and the first question one should ask of an AMOG is “by what authority?”.

    Rollo Tomassi urges men to be their own “mental point of origin”, Deep Strength insists men should seek to please God before anyone else — abstractly it is the same thing: there are standards, and “you” don’t get to set them…where “you” is any random or nonrandom female, or any man who has no authority.

    This gets sticky when a man falls into Betaness and unconsciously reverts to “make Mommy happy” in his marriage. It also gets sticky when a churchgoing man places himself and his family under the authority of churches that turn out to be feminized. Because feminized men are the most likely to defend the imaginary right of women to behave as badly as they want, whenever & they want. It’s called “white knighting” for a reason.

    White Knighting a wife is kind of like having a doting grandparent who indulges the toddler grandchild, then insists the parent do the same, “Oh, just give her what she wants, what harm could it do?” which is just great stuff.

    tl;dr
    The only response “secure in your masculinity” deserves is laughter. Perhaps with “When did you get made into a god?” if required.

  16. Jacob says:

    if we are following the biblical model, the wife is indebted to her husband for his sacrifice.

    What do you propose a regular Christian husband should do when she isn’t?

  17. Jacob says:

    …or when she isn’t feeling that way?

  18. 7817 says:

    if we are following the biblical model, the wife is indebted to her husband for his sacrifice.

    What do you propose a regular Christian husband should do when she isn’t?

    …or when she isn’t feeling that way?

    I would do the minimum necessary to take care of her physical needs, and redirect my attention to other things.

    Withdrawing attention is a pretty basic way to get them to come around, but really, at the end of the day, a woman has to make her own choice. She can be happily yours, or she can be resentful.

    Spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down, I’d suggest learning what Game you can to make things easier for her, and then focus on making yourself better in as many ways as you can. This is just giving God a good return on his investment in you, if your attitude is right.

  19. @ Scott, your post is a good one for men to read. Thank you for sharing.

  20. Spike says:

    Two other feminist traps:
    -“Aw c’mon. It’s for the children…”
    This is when you are asked to put on some stupid suit for some occasion.
    -“It’s for science…”
    When one of my female colleagues studying reproductive health needed a semen sample. I asked her what control I had on the sample after she was done. She looked at me blankly and admitted she hadn’t done anything in that regard.
    I refused both counts.

  21. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    You’re not the boss of ME!

    I often saw that attitude, back when I was active in Libertarian Party circles.

  22. Lexet Blog says:

    Modern American Christian men: boys dressing like girls is wrong.

    Also them: my daughter can wear jeans and dress in boy clothes, what are you, a bigot?!

  23. Frank K says:

    Apparently, “Beto” O’Rourke wants to tax churches that don’t support same sex marriage.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/beto-church-of-tax-exempt-status-gay-marriage

    This of course is posturing to get him back into the limelight as his campaign is quickly fading away. Still, it shows just how much power the velvet mafia has. It would probably require repealing the 1st amendment to get through, though I suppose that a liberally stacked supreme court could find a way to support it, so who knows, maybe in another 10-20 years?. Of course by then most of the churchian congregations will have folded on that issue and Pastor Bob will be more than happy to officiate same sex weddings.

  24. JR says:

    Have you heard of the ‘double bind’ in psychology — or sometimes narcissistic double bind (nbd)? It is a method of control in social interactions by creating an unwinnable, damned-if-you, damned-if -you-don’t situation, a favored tactic of narcissists. Maybe it’s standard in psych 101 classes. I haven’t run across it in the manosphere.

    It seems that feminism creates double bind situations deliberately:

    I’m a powerful independent women who can take care of myself vs protect me from creepy men (eg the British men lambasted for exiting a train carriage rather than coming to the defense of mi’lady);

    Don’t patronize me vs Is chivalry dead?

    Treat me just like one of the guys vs hey, fix my arctic suit so I can pee out of it!

    …ad infinitum.

    I listened to a podcast of a pretty harrowing tale of an nbd family dynamic by Theramin Tree (?), quite good, the father was being destroyed by the mother in a most brutal way. The son came to recognize that his father could not escape, it was a co-dependent situation.

    Maybe conservative chivalry is really about being co-dependent with the double bind of modern feminism. It seems that the ethos of courtly love is like a double bind situation: if you don’t sacrifice for mi’lady, you don’t deserve her versus if you do her bidding a la Lancelot, your love is unrequited.

  25. Minesweeper says:

    @JR says:”It seems that feminism creates double bind situations deliberately:

    I’m a powerful independent women who can take care of myself vs protect me from creepy men (eg the British men lambasted for exiting a train carriage rather than coming to the defense of mi’lady);

    I listened to a podcast of a pretty harrowing tale of an nbd family dynamic by Theramin Tree (?), quite good, the father was being destroyed by the mother in a most brutal way. The son came to recognize that his father could not escape, it was a co-dependent situation.”

    Its prob more BPD, particularly females with BPD+NPD – are feminism incarnate. And boy do they create nothing but trouble.

    Had that for mom, exw,1/2s, at least 4 neighbours in this block of flats. And all do very little except cause trouble constantly as they fight against their overwhelming feelings of being abandoned.

    You don’t have a list for that podcast above do you ?

    Also a retired psychologist states (only after he retired as he would have been run out of the profession) that in his 40 years experience, his % of females in the population went as high as 25%-30%. In my experience, I have to say, I think that is prob about right.

  26. Minesweeper says:

    * his % of females in the population went as high as 25%-30% for BPD.

  27. Otto says:

    “Apparently, “Beto” O’Rourke wants to tax churches that don’t support same sex marriage.”

    Beto’s job now is to move the Overton window to the left.

  28. Otto says:

    @7817 said: “Withdrawing attention is a pretty basic way to get them to come around…”

    Under the modern rules of marriage, if a husband withdraws attention from his wife, she is justified in finding it elsewhere–and it will be his fault. Ask any pastor.

  29. Scott says:

    Minesweeper

    I’m surprised that psychologist was that timid about his anecdotal findings. They are relatively in controversial

    BPD prevalence rates are known to skew female. Add to that selection bias (people who come to see psychologists are obviously experiencing psychological distress PLUS women are more likely to seek help) and I would assent to those numbers in my practice.

    What’s more troubling is that the symptom cluster known as BPD is a fairly destructive force, especially en masse. This is a person with a very unstable or non-existent center, or sense of self. Hence the drama and lability.

    And the problem is, most of what is in that cluster is becoming “normative” ergo, not disordered. Ergo, you can’t label or judge it inappropriate.

    Follow that where it goes logically.

  30. Jake says:

    I hope they remove tax exempt status from churches that oppose gay marriage.

    It’s time for the lines to be drawn. I’ll say ninety to be generous, but ninety percent of the church going populace is useless who don’t believe the Bible.

    The tax exempt thing was a sword intended to hang over the heads of the churches. Let it swing, and lose all power.

  31. Minesweeper says:

    @Scott says:”I’m surprised that psychologist was that timid about his anecdotal findings. They are relatively in controversial

    BPD prevalence rates are known to skew female. Add to that selection bias (people who come to see psychologists are obviously experiencing psychological distress PLUS women are more likely to seek help) and I would assent to those numbers in my practice.

    What’s more troubling is that the symptom cluster known as BPD is a fairly destructive force, especially en masse. This is a person with a very unstable or non-existent center, or sense of self. Hence the drama and lability.

    And the problem is, most of what is in that cluster is becoming “normative” ergo, not disordered. Ergo, you can’t label or judge it inappropriate.”

    His findings were controversial in that he wasn’t describing his patient population, he thought that was the world at large. And as you know outside of military circles the psychologist’s themselves skew heavily female as well, so calling 25-30% of the female population bat shit crazy, really would have been a career ending move.

    Do you help BPD’s or just eventually show them the door as their is little that can be done ?

  32. Anonymous Reader says:

    Apparently, “Beto” O’Rourke wants to tax churches that don’t support same sex marriage.

    You are correct that Robert “Beta” O’Rourke just wants a headline, but that idea had to come from somewhere. We can expect to see it show up again. The Johnson amendment isn’t set in concrete. The average church of 150 people would be affected by this.

  33. Minesweeper says:

    @Scott, “his % of females in the population went as high as 25%-30%. ”

    Ahh ok, you thought when I wrote “population” that I meant “patient population”, I should have clarified that with “general population”.

    Do you think with family breakdown en masse this problem is rising ?

  34. JR says:

    @minesweeper: “link…”

    It is this one; TheraminTrees “double binds: narcissistic mind games.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnSiJOOdo30

    (fwiw and imho, I don’t think the McCarthy Senate hearings are a very good example of double bind as he claims at the end…)

  35. Minesweeper says:

    @JR, thanks ! Will watch.

    @Scott, my neighbour seems to be a combo of “Witch” and “waif” BPD’s, and sometimes switches between them, she is as scary as hell. Most of the time she is super aggressive flies into a rage instantly, i also recently saw her basically behave like an abandoned little girl.

    She has a thing for violent jailbirds, so kinda threatens the entire block of flats tbh as even she is sometimes scared of them, she can’t help but invite them into her life\bed, as she can’t a night alone. She is the centerpoint for all the trouble in the neighbourhood we even had police again today.

    I pity her poor child.

    You can see why single moms used to be the scourge of society.

  36. Frank K says:

    We can expect to see it show up again. The Johnson amendment isn’t set in concrete. The average church of 150 people would be affected by this.

    I suppose that smaller, independent churches could morph and not have property and meet in homes or parks. Sure, the tithes won’t be tax deductible, but most people don’t itemize any more (just 18 million still itemize)

    I think that this is squarely aimed at the RCC, which in addition to running parishes, runs schools, universities and hospitals. It could be forced to spin off universities and hospitals to keep them non profit.

  37. Scott says:

    Do you think with family breakdown en masse this problem is rising ?

    What I’m working through is an attempt in my own mind to get a handle on where all this going, without really being able to nail down a cause/effect relationship. These are the times I wish Zippy was still around to help flesh it out.

    A few years ago I wrote a blog post entitled “peak subjectivity” where I attempted to lay out my identification of the phenomenon. I was pointing to what is now dubbed “clown world.” You may also see me from time to time allude to it with my oft repeated tag line “everything is stupid now.”

    On one level BPD, like every other factorially derived symptom cluster in the DSM is nothing but a list of non-normative conforming behaviors that are deemed “inappropriate” by people in my profession.

    Whereas “inappropriate” has replaced “sin” in the secular world.

    But for Christ’s sake NOTHING is inappropriate anymore. “Social Norms” are nothing other than “what most people do, or that which is appropriate in a given situation.”

    If I can go out into the street and regularly encounter blue haired body pierced tattoo face, scars on her arms from cutting, obese girl in her flip flops and ass crack hanging out AND CANNOT COMMENT on the aesthetic disaster before me, than I don’t know what the fuck a borderline is.

    We are living in hell for people like me, and it’s heaven for what used to be called “mentally ill.”

    “Who are you to judge me?” Is their credo and I have to just shield my innocent children’s eyes from the train wreck that is “societal norms.”

    We are rapidly speeding toward a situation where no one (or nothing) can ever be held to an objective standard and the DSM will be essentially meaningless. I can barely even apply its standards in forensic settings now. And that is the most deviant low functioning crowd I see professionally.

  38. Mr. Woot says:

    I am finally a parent (of a male/boy) and all of this is interesting to me.

    The same men who “play dress up” with their daughters or wear a dress/tutu to have tea are the same men who’s wife does not play up her role with daughters.

    My buddy has been blessed/cursed with three daughters. Watching him adapt to a father of three girls has been of great interest and like many parents, as I am now an invested student, the father is inconsistent as a parent. Some practices are enforced – proper dress, attitude, behavior while other questionable allowances are encouraged – an example is the near worship of Star War’s Rae as a strong female fighter/character.

    His attitude to dress up requests has been “no. daddy’s don’t do that”.

  39. Expat Philo says:

    WRT presidential hopeful O’Rourke, his proposal is ultimately a good thing. First and foremost, the state of a soul is not Caesar’s business, and is therefore not to be rendered unto him. The other benefit is that such would end with the camel’s nose being removed from the tent. Without tax exempt status, the genuine church could concern itself with the actual purpose of the institution rather than the feds of the day.

    WRT BPD, I wonder if there is a nature vs nurture thing going on. Would young women raised properly still have the same rates of such disorders, would it be higher or lower? If there is no difference, then the environment only changes the behavior of men as they relate to women, supported by pretty much all classic literature which touches on the subject.

  40. Asaph says:

    Personality traits are largely genetic, with 20-40% influence from the environment, as with most things.

  41. Minesweeper says:

    @Expat, the upbringing makes all the difference, they aren’t born borderline. BPD women tend to make more BPD girls. Tend to comes from early neglect or abuse. Ive known both seses to get it though.

    @Scott, yeah I kinda feel the same, with women recently getting off killing their infants\husbands and yet a awkward 19yo male is facing up to 10 years for a hand on the waist – as he made her feel scared.

    And also legitimising abortion to the moment of delivery in some places, you really have to wonder OMFG 50 years ago this was beyond criminal, now just regular day.

    it’s incredible, in just 50 years, whats good is bad and whats bad is good. We are actually facing a time where NO LAWS at all will apply to women. NONE.

    Like the nutcase beside me and my ex, my mom, if they were male, they would have failed jail.

  42. Minesweeper says:

    *faced jail.

  43. Minesweeper says:

    I can now see why scott chooses to live out in the middle of nowhere.

  44. Scott says:

    Asaph-

    It might even higher than that. But on the margins, we would have way less “overt” BPDs running around with zero controls on themselves or zero insight into their own psychological processes if stigma against the most egregious behaviors was re-introduced.

  45. kaminsky says:

    JR,

    Interesting post. I think the Narcissistic Double Bind is given the moniker “fried ice” in manosphere discussions.

    Funny to think that rationally avoiding those situations is seen as ‘quitting’ so frequently.

  46. Frank K says:

    I can now see why scott chooses to live out in the middle of nowhere.

    While I don’t technically live in the boondocks as Scott does, I just couldn’t fathom living in any metro area. On the rare occasions when I have to visit the “big city” (one hour away) I feel that I have to grit my teeth as the clown world overwhelms. And clown world is making inroads to where I live.

  47. Minesweeper says:

    @Frank K,As soon as i’m able,, I’m gonna move far away as poss from metro areas.

  48. Anonymous Reader says:

    If BPD’s tend to be “made” not “born”, and one dominating trait is a deep fear of abandonment, that might just tie in with frivorce. Assume that a girl of 5 loses her father to frivorce, and is told “Daddy doesn’t love us anymore” as a bonus, depending on the inborn personality of the girl that might be the beginning. Other experiences would reinforce this or not. In the back of her head, though, is a 5 year old who wants Daddy back and will do anything it takes.

    If frivorce helps to create BPD’s, then is that a feature or a bug of feminism?

  49. Scott says:

    If BPD’s tend to be “made” not “born”, and one dominating trait is a deep fear of abandonment, that might just tie in with frivorce. Assume that a girl of 5 loses her father to frivorce, and is told “Daddy doesn’t love us anymore” as a bonus, depending on the inborn personality of the girl that might be the beginning. Other experiences would reinforce this or not. In the back of her head, though, is a 5 year old who wants Daddy back and will do anything it takes.

    Its a pretty big can of worms you are opening up here, but the conventional wisdom is girl is abandoned (or perceived to be) by daddy, and then basic psychodynamic principles kick in (meaning she tries, for the rest of her life to vicariously fix what is broken between her and daddy by subconsciously picking men with similar traits to him over and over.)

    It is easy to conceptualize “shit tests” and all the rest of the drama using that framework.

    But the subconscious stuff goes both ways, and men who continue to wind up in relationships with this level of drama (severe BPD is HELL to live with) need to ask themselves some tough questions about why that keeps happening.

  50. Scott says:

    But to reiterate asaphs point.

    Such a girl would need to be genetically loaded to develop cluster B personality pathology in order to go full on BPD

    Mychael’s dad, for example split before she was ever born. And although she has some mild insecurity about that, it’s endearing. Not crazy.

  51. Lost Patrol says:

    @ Frank K

    While I don’t technically live in the boondocks as Scott does, I just couldn’t fathom living in any metro area

    I hope they leave you in peace out there Frank. I naively set up house in an area zoned agricultural on the fringe of a major metro area and was also an hour away from “the city”. Thought I had handled it well. Eight years later the city has come to me and I am surrounded.

  52. Jesus Rodriguez de la Torre says:

    Dalrock: Thoughts from a happily married father on a post feminist world.

    I have not yet found a single post where Dalrock says why he is a happily married man; or advice on how to get that way. Like most comments, everything he says is why a man should be MGTOW. Please someone correct me on this.

    Now there’s insults on 2 that at least try to offer positive advice:
    7817 says:
    I would do the minimum necessary to take care of her physical needs, and redirect my attention to other things.
    Withdrawing attention is a pretty basic way to get them to come around, but really, at the end of the day, a woman has to make her own choice. She can be happily yours, or she can be resentful.
    Spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down, I’d suggest learning what Game you can to make things easier for her, and then focus on making yourself better in as many ways as you can. This is just giving God a good return on his investment in you, if your attitude is right.

    vfm7916 says:
    October 11, 2019 at 1:52 pm
    In short, don’t be a conservative.
    Be a Christian Nationalist.

    As a happily married man of 40+ years (44?), I have also in the past offered advice here. Personally I have relied on God to threaten my wife into submission. I chose an 18yo who was afraid of God so that I could train her properly to marry after a short courtship. This was said clearly to her, and her parents, before marriage, that I would be the boss and shape her to fit me (which since she was a virgin, was physically true as well). Because she understands her Biblical role, which according to 2 Peter is to call me lord and obey, her rebellions have been few. On those occasions she has, I first applied the advice of 7817. When not enough to solve her over spending, I told her very publicly that I would quit working and if sued for divorce prefer to sit in jail and watch her and my children go into economic disaster than lift a finger to help. The Churchianity people are WRONG that I must always provide. My first duty to wife and children is to teach, train and admonish (reprove, correct, warn) them in the ways of God so that when I stand before Him I can state that I tried to meet my responsibilities as His slave. That includes doing what Christ does to the Church when the Church becomes rebellious: allowing the world to beat the arrogance out of her. Notice, not me beat her, but stop protecting and providing so the world can crush her AND our children. This worked, oh she stopped overspending immediately and all the insults by her parents, friends,. My parents and my friends rolled off my back because the only opinion I care about is Christ’s. If I am to be like Christ to the Church, then I am going to take Revelations 1 and 2 as a marriage manual. Christ does not just sacrifice Himself for the Church, He corrects and reproves the Church even, in the extreme of Laodicea, divorce the Church. How often did God use pagan empires to crush idolatrous Israel? To “white knight” a rebellious whore is not God’s way and BTW, God’s love is clearly NOT unconditional else there’s be no hell. No, God used empire after empire to scourge His bride and finally then even divorced her. Christ warns the same in His last words to the Church in the first 2 chapoters of Revelations. Why should I be like Christ in sacrificiung for the Church but not like Christ in correcting her? I despise the current white knight groups like Focus on the Family for all the reasons Dalrock documents. Yet Dalrock offers nothing positive. Only that he, mysteriously, is happily married. Again prove me who am recent here wrong. It is easier to sit as a scoffer and tear down than to help build.

    Yet there’s on even bigger gun I have used on my wife to get her to obey. The biggest weapon in my arsenal to threaten her, and it is the same that I started with: fear of God. Every Wednesday 6AM I meet with 5 other men to pray and study the Bible. I only ask them to pray for one thing each week. She has seen what happens. She is afraid. Only twice has she become intolerable. That is when I tell her that since I can do nothing with her, I am going to ask God to judge her. Because she fears God, she turns pale with fear and it stops.

    In my house the phrase “You were right. I wqas so stupid not to listen to you. I am just a fuckup.” Has been said by her to me on several occasions about very important things; often many years after. I agree with her, kindly, as I remind her, gently, to listen to me the next time because God has set me above her in this life. Yes, just like that.

    Marriage in the modern age is extremely difficult to do well. I have not done it well, but because God has done it well through me I am a happily married man whose wife still gets goosebumps when I hug her tight. If you cannot understand why I have not done it well, but the Holy Spirit has done it well through me then you’ve much bigger problems than women.

    I am dismayed how much of Dalrock and his commenters are functional atheists. If you do not believe that the Holy Spirit is active and that prayer is effective then definitively be MGTOW. Under the sun all ois vanity and striving after wind, and to marry under the sun is insane. Yet we’re supposed to be from above the sun, from the Son, where marriage is not only possible, but joyous and of great service to our Master. Note, I am not charismatic, them is crazytown.

    Do not “man up and marry.” No rational man in a western society should marry. However, if you’re willing to trust God and do it His way; which is very different than the current feminized Churchianity, then it is worth it. Yes my wife puts a covering on her head when she goes to Church. Any Church where you see women with uncovered heads during service is in open rebellion to Scripture; including the one I am currently a member of. I am responsible for her, not the other women, as I am not an elder or pastor. You’re likely to stand alone against the entire Church when you say something. That is the time to man up. Interesting how many people both men and women come up to me quietly later and thank me for saying what they think. The modern Laodicea Church is for the most part a whore. Yet God still laughs, and so does my wife, 4 adult children and I. We follow the Ancient of Days, and the whore Church can go whoring. Dalrock simply criticizes, good, but not good enough. As to the rest of you miserable MGTOW cat men, you’re the flip side of the feminist coin. Without God all we have is under the sun, and nothing has meaning.

    vfm7916 , 7817 I am glad you’re here brothers. This site is getting pathetic.

    Since now there’s another JR here, I will go by JRR now.

  53. American says:

    At a tradcon-cuckservative Orange County California high school I attended for a little over a year the football players used to dress up like women with makeup, dresses, and jewelry at the rallies before the game. The “smokers field” crowd of young toughs (some of whom were in white/hispanic street gangs or just car clubs that would end up in late night fights in public parks on the weekends) would yell “faggot” at them repeatedly for it during the rallies and get them riled up. I found out later the football players were just doing it because a few of the females were giving them head if they did. This was in the late 70s…

  54. American says:

    @sambotta: Rollo has a lot of important truths to share, make no mistake, but he is married and claiming MGTOW from what I heard. That’s not MGTOW. That’s self-centered in a martial relationship but NOT MGTOW. Feel free to correct me if what I heard is wrong.

  55. Frank K says:

    I hope they leave you in peace out there Frank. I naively set up house in an area zoned agricultural on the fringe of a major metro area and was also an hour away from “the city”. Thought I had handled it well. Eight years later the city has come to me and I am surrounded.

    We are still outside of the metro area. That said, our area has grown and has changed. Still better than living in hell hole that the metro area has become. And my understanding is that it’s only #20 by population, and yet it’s horrible,

  56. naturallyaspirated says:

    “Who are you to judge me?” Is their credo and I have to just shield my innocent children’s eyes from the train wreck that is “societal norms.”

    This is the issue. What are we to do? As hard as we try, the societal norms will win, at least most of the time. We all know that.

    So finding a way to opt out, is the only option, really. Scott is trying. More land out there for others to join in?

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  58. Testi says:

    @American
    Rollo is not MGTOW and has never claimed to be MGTOW. He understands why some men choose the MGTOW path.

    He believes men should make themselves their own Mental Point of Origin (MPoO).

  59. Sam says:

    @Jesus Rodriguez de la Torre
    Trying to call out Dalrock for not doing life how YOU want, and saying things have gotten pathetic around here and that so many are ‘functional atheists’ is a lot to take from a non-OG commenter. You’re down to threaten your wife with ‘God’ but functionally sounds like you’re threatening lack of support on an immature woman coupled with your kids—but those kids examples must be from decades ago right? They’re all adult now.

    Hard sell man, it’s the same “you’re all just doing it wrong” even as you try to spin it as “see I’m just letting God do it right”.

    @Sam Botta enjoyed the podcast with Rollo, I’m interested in him doing more red pill + religion content.

  60. Minesweeper says:

    @horsemanbombadil, A humorous follow up :

    “Stay single until you meet someone perfect. Someone who never screws up or makes mistakes or has any discernible flaws whatsoever. Someone who can exist without oxygen and doesn’t need to eat food to survive. Someone you can leave in your car for a few days and not worry about.”

    https://thoughtcatalog.com/ari-eastman/2017/06/darlings-stay-single-until-you-meet-someone-exactly-like-this/?utm_campaign=article&utm_source=thoughtcatalog&utm_term=ari-eastman&utm_medium=entry_related

  61. Minesweeper says:

    @Jesus Rodriguez de la Torre, Your right, best we all get (re)-married, as things as exactly like they were in the early 70’s when you were courting and got married.

    E-X-A-C-T-L-Y.

    Women and the marriage laws have not changed, not 1 single bit as far as I can tell.

    You’ve showed us all.

  62. Minesweeper says:

    @American, Rollo is happily married but saying he wouldn’t sign a gov marriage license\contract in the current climate, as its such a bad deal, if he were to divorce.

    @Jesus Rodriguez de la Torre – if you can make such a good job of it why wouldn’t you marry another half a dozen more ? Your not an elder. Seems to be scores of articles bemoaning “Where have all the good men gone” – well man stand up and be heard ! Wife up those BPD single mommies, they could make the last 20 years of your life –very– interesting indeed.

  63. feministhater says:

    Being told by someone who was called ‘Jesus’ a name meant specifically for one person only, ever… about how to be a Christian is fucking hilarious.

  64. Oscar says:

    @ feministhater

    Being told by someone who was called ‘Jesus’ a name meant specifically for one person only, ever…

    That’s inaccurate.

    The English name Jesus derives from the Greek Ἰησοῦς (Iésous), which derives from the Hebrew ישוע (Yeshua), which is where we get Joshua, which was a very common name among Jews. Also, the Spanish name Jesus (pronounced Heh-SOOS) is very common among Spaniards and Hispanics.

    Anyway, everyone with the name Yeshua, or any name derived from it, has the same name as Jesus.

  65. feministhater says:

    Thanks for the history lesson Oscar.

  66. feministhater says:

    vfm7916 , 7817 I am glad you’re here brothers. This site is getting pathetic.

    If one calls something pathetic, they would do well to remove themselves from it.

    It’s funny that you have all bemoaned this blog and yet are still here, bemoaning this blog. Perhaps you should use the proverbial door and leave? There are plenty of other places to go to.

    However, we all know that what you are trying to do is shame. Shame other men into doing what you want them to do. It does not matter. Your opinion does not matter.

    vfm and 768164672 have plenty of blame to share about the reactions they receive on this blog, they’ve earned it in spades.

  67. Minesweeper says:

    @JRR, In the last 2 weeks, I’ve been hit on by a 20’s single mom – who I turned down, out walking there I caught the eye of a teenage girl, I made sure to look away instantly (a guy in the UK recently went to jail for 4 years for looking at a woman through a shop window twice), another I presume single mom – early 20’s with a cute kid tried to strike up a convo, i cracked the barest of smiles and moved on.

    I’ve had so many women in their 20’s hit on me in the last few years, because guys in their 20’s see exactly whats on offer. They all say the same thing, they can’t get a relationship. which is why they are making moves on someone twice their age.

    25 years ago, a guy my age with girls this attractive hitting on them would have thought they would have won the jackpot.

    If guys my age are turning them down as well.

    Then something really serious has occurred, to which – not only are utterly clueless about it, the feminists are doubling down everywhere even more. In 25 years will they still be hooking up ? Or will that be far too dangerous for men – if a hand on the waist can get you 10 years inside?

    I’ve known die hard christian women who never missed a sunday racking up notch counts of 6+ guys in the 12 months following their initiated separations.

    Women fearing God – that’s a laugh, you must have 1 of the very few still in existence.

  68. Minesweeper says:

    The irony of women killing (apart from their unborn) the thing they say they want most “a relationship”.

    I guess God won’t be mocked, and they are reaping a bounty from what they have sown.

    Thank God, only when led by his spirit do we need to marry.

    Until then we are free.

  69. Scott says:

    naturallyaspirated

    I have an open invitation, which I have not renewed in a while. Anyone who wants to try to make a go of it our here will receive as much support as I able, in order to form a community of red-pilled families. I can’t help a whole lot, but I will do my best in whatever way possible.

    No one has seriously considered it yet. And I know its risky and scary, so I just keep doing what I am doing. I think Americans are just too individualistic to take the plunge. Life is still too good for most of us and it seems like you can just make it on your own. And the truth is, right now you can. What I am trying to do is attract those who know what is coming (probably some kind of multi-front, war or civilzational collapse or even just long, slow decline)

    I mean, I guess we could all just be total badasses like Jesus R and control everything our wives think and do with Gods help or whatever. It just doesn’t seem like a winning long term strategy for the hearts of those thirsting for a something more. That something requires a community in contact with each other, every day. The internet is cool or whatever, but without seeing each others faces, each others children, each others struggles (I do have them, regardless of how I come across on the internet) its just not the same.

    So, yes please do. Take a leap of faith and buy property up here. Or an apartment if thats all you can do. Once I meet you and and am convinced you are not some kind of weird psycho axe murderer, we can proceed. The tiny group of people I have actually physically met from places like this have been absolutely lovely and normal. I am betting on that streak to continue.

  70. Minesweeper says:

    Thank you Scott, I’d love to 1 day.

    Can I ask, did you both sign a government marriage contract or a have church agreement instead ?

    Whats your opinion on all that ?

  71. Scott says:

    Minesweeper, that is a topic I have explored extensively in other places, but I do not expect you would have read, The Courtship Pledge, Morally Contextualized Romance, Western Philosophy and Eastern Faith or American Dad blogs. All of them I have shuttered. Some of that content is available through “the wayback machine”

    But the short(est) answer is

    We have a state marriage, because we got married in 2007 before either of us gave much thought as to what “marriage” is, or had encountered “the red pill” converted to Orthodoxy, etc.

    We are encouraging our children now to seek the sacrament, and probably forgo the state piece of paper, although we recognize the state will consider them “married” for its purposes no matter what they do. If the state wants to tax them, arrest one of them for DV charges, redistribute wealth or children, force one of them to testify against the other in court according to its social goals, it will.

    As a contract, “marriage” is irrational. But the sacrament is transcendent and therefore does not fit into a category like that.

  72. Minesweeper says:

    WTH ?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-50006000

    Referring to her own character in the film and Princess Aurora, played by Elle Fanning, Jolie said: “We both very much need and love and learn from the men.

    “And so I think that’s also an important message for young girls, to find their own power, but to respect and learn from the men around them.”

    She added: “We have strong women, but the character that is wrong in the film and has to be taken out is also a woman. We show very diverse types of women between our characters, but also we have extraordinary men in the film, and I really want to press that point.”

    “Fanning, who reprises her role of Princess Aurora in the film, echoed Jolie’s comments and said her character’s strength is not necessarily physical, unlike many princesses in children’s films.

    “Aurora’s strength is her kindness, and she stays very true to herself, which is something I wanted to keep in the film. She is soft and feminine and wants to be a wife and have babies, and that’s a beautiful, strong thing that isn’t portrayed a lot on screen.

    “A lot of the princesses are like ‘we’re gonna make her a strong princess! And make her tough, so we’re gonna make her fight!’ And it’s like, is that what being a strong woman means? Like, we just have to have a sword and have armour on and go fight? Aurora can do that in a different way, in a pink dress, and it’s beautiful that she keeps her softness and vulnerabilities.”

    Well that’s certainly breaking with the narrative.

  73. Minesweeper says:

    @Scott,”But the sacrament is transcendent and therefore does not fit into a category like that.”

    Thank you for your answer.

  74. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Another tranny suicide: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7567305/Transgender-comedienne-activist-Daphne-Dorman-died-suicide.html

    Daphne Dorman, a transgender comedienne, activist and actress who inspired countless people with her strength, has died by suicide. …

    Should read “his” strength.

    In his Facebook suicide note, he adds:

    Please help my daughter, Naia, understand that none of this is her fault. Please remind her that I loved her with every fiber of my being.’

    In a sane society, this person’s mental illness would have been treated before he went on to have a daughter. (How he obtained this daughter, naturally or by adoption, I don’t know.) But instead, this daughter now has to grow up with this weirdly tragic emotional burden.

  75. Scott says:

    RPL-

    No doubt. Its the kind of thing that makes you want to grab a bunch of your rational, sane friends, move out to the middle of nowhere and hunker down for the apocalypse.

  76. American says:

    @Minesweeper: There is a growing movement of Christians who believe their assemblies should be free of unnecessary government oversight and entanglement by not incorporating (e.g. no 501c, etc…). There is also a growing movement of Christians who accept the Christian ceremony and vows but reject government marriage contracts and licenses. Here is an example: http://hushmoney.org/MarriageLicense-5.htm

    I don’t see how forgoing the marriage license and registration will help much in states that recognize common law marriage; however, when it all goes bad. The state organs will simply force their feminist body of law upon the male in those states when the female decides to invoke the government against the male, license/registration or no license/registration.

  77. Opus says:

    @Red Pill Latecomer

    Clearly more needs to be done to support the Tranny community and to remind them that they are not a bunch sissy faggots.

    In the meanwhile whilst I was looking for something else I came across the Facebook wall of a female I have known since she was born – she is now twenty-one – and her wall does not have much on it but recently she has linked her support for an organisation seeking to end as it puts it “forced child marriage”. A photo of a somewhat bedraggled middle-eastern female of indeterminate age accompanies the text which would only have been improved by some suitably soporific music. This struck me as modern colonialism where we of the west seek to tell Muslims in fourth world countries how to organise their lives as if they live in Walton-on-Thames or Santa Barbara-on-the-Pacific.

    Child marriage is and has always been perfectly legal yet the use of the term of child is as emotive as that of the word forced when what they really refer to is in fact “arranged marriage”. In the middle-east girls are a burden especially when unmarried and it thus makes sense for families as is their custom to arrange marriages and on the basis that the sooner one chooses the greater the options, thus child marriage makes perfect sense. It must be remembered that a wife is for life and not just for Ramadan and that time may be relied upon to remedy any imperfections of youth.

    So what then was this postured virtue signalling really about? I suggest that what my acquaintance is afraid of is arriving at a certain age (say late thirties) and being forced through circumstance to marry a sub-optimal male. In short she is concerned about being unable adequately to fulfill her hypergamous ambition. Frankly, I think there should be instituted an organisation advertised on Facebook with suitable pre and post wall photos aimed at preventing marriage for spinsters i.e. women over the age of thirty-eight.

  78. Scott says:

    I think guys like JRR are funny. That kind of argument (made previously by the likes of Artisinal Toad, Michael Kozaki and others) sound ridiculous to men who are married to actual real life women.

    Need flash. Even the sweetest, most submissive woman after Christ’s heart will formulate a rational argument with you once in a while and spanking her or pouting until you get your way just makes you look like an ass.

  79. Frank K says:

    she has linked her support for an organisation seeking to end as it puts it “forced child marriage”

    I’m gonna take a wild guess here and say that she probably fully supports unrestricted Muslim immigration to the UK and is one of those who proudly proclaim “immigrants welcome.”

  80. Anonymous Reader says:

    Scott
    I think guys like JRR are funny.

    I’ve known older men like this; a great-uncle, an emeritus supervisor, some churchgoing men. Even as a teenager I could see the gap between that big talk, and the way their wives could lead them around by the nose. I couldn’t explainit or articulate it, but I could sorta see it.

    with The Glasses I see much more clealry, and thre are plenty of men whose wives allow them to LARP as he-manly patriarchs. Once in a while one meets a couple where the woman is genuinely feminine, outgoing, kind…it’s like a breath of sea air after wandering through a coastal swamp.

    tl;dr There are many bulls i the world with a ring in their nose…

  81. Oscar says:

    @ Scott

    I think guys like JRR are funny. That kind of argument (made previously by the likes of Artisinal Toad, Michael Kozaki and others) sound ridiculous to men who are married to actual real life women.

    To be fair, AT was a lot more entertaining, even if equally more disruptive.

    Need flash. Even the sweetest, most submissive woman after Christ’s heart will formulate a rational argument with you once in a while and spanking her or pouting until you get your way just makes you look like an ass.

    I doubt that rational arguments bother most men. Certainly not reasonable men.

    The real problem is that every woman – no matter how sweet and Christlike – is subject to Eve’s Curse. That means she will – and I stress will – be tempted to undermine her husband, usurp his headship, and manipulate him.

    Few Christian women today are even aware that they are subject to Eve’s Curse, so they don’t even try to resist the temptation. They embrace the temptation wholeheartedly, behave like petulant teenagers, make the entire family miserable, and blame it all on their husbands for not “leading” them correctly (i.e., satisfying the wives’ every whim), all the while claiming the mantle of the Proverbs 31 Woman.

    For most husbands, a rational argument would be an oasis in a desert.

  82. Anonymous Reader says:

    Oscar
    I doubt that rational arguments bother most men. Certainly not reasonable men.

    Part of the problem we encounter regularly is men who are really not all that rational, but rather are in an emotional state. It is very much like arguing with a woman, go figure.

  83. PokeSalad says:

    Its the kind of thing that makes you want to grab a bunch of your rational, sane friends, move out to the middle of nowhere and hunker down for the apocalypse.

    All one has to do is look at the “high”lights of the Democratic LBGTQWXZY “Town Hall” to agree with this. They seek to destroy what’s left of this country’s culture, forever. There’s not a “serious” candidate out there who doesnt agree with, and will industriously work for, the craziest sh*t that comes out of Beto’s or AOC’s mouth. They are there to move the Overton Window for the Dem that may follow Trump, either in ’20 or ’24.

    For perhaps the first time in American history (1860s a possible exception), one of the two major political parties is publicly, proudly committed to the nation’s destruction as it has substantially existed for much of its history. Sobering to ponder.

  84. Expat Philo says:

    @ Scott, the idea of a red pulled community is a good one. What sort of goods and services are needed out there? I and others need a valid economic reason to relocate there. A man must make a living, after all.

  85. @ Expat Philo My friend Naveen is actually setting up this community.
    https://oakwoodmt.ml/

  86. Moses says:

    My go-to response for any accusation like “If you don’t wear a pink tutu it means you’re not secure in your masculinity” is to shrug and say

    “If you say so.”

    This response swats like a bug the frame they’re trying to impose on you.

    It’s important just not to give a **** what these crazies think, and to make that clear. Why would you?

  87. Moses says:

    My go-to response for any accusation like “If you don’t wear a pink tutu it means you’re not secure in your masculinity” is to shrug and say

    “If you say so.”

    This response swats like a bug the frame they’re trying to put on you.

    It’s important just not to care what these crazies think, and to make that clear. Why would you?

  88. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Woman walks into airplane propeller: https://abcnews.go.com/US/womans-arm-foot-severed-private-plane-propeller-key/story?id=66246226

    A propeller on a private plane severed a Florida woman’s arm and foot, according to authorities.

    The woman, a resident of Naples, was struck by the propeller at the Key West International Airport Saturday around 8:45 p.m., according to a news release by the Monroe County Sheriff’s Office.

    The pilot and female passenger were preparing to taxi in the private plane when it “would not move or was having some other unknown mechanical issue,” authorities said.

    The pilot then exited the plane while it was still running to see if the blocks placed by the airplane tires when stationary on the tarmac were still in place. The passenger was struck by the propeller after she exited and walked to the front of the aircraft.

    Sorry for her mishap, but how clueless must you be to walk into a whirling propeller? Was her nose in her cell phone, checking her social media?

  89. feeriker says:

    Apparently, “Beto” O’Rourke wants to tax churches that don’t support same sex marriage.

    I’ve said this before, but it bears repeating: the best thing that could possibly happen to Churchianity, Inc is to face what amounts to corporate persecution by Caesar (i.e., taxation or revocation of existing tax-free status for failing to obey Caesar’s worldly, evil fiats; denial of education vouchers to Christian schools that refuse to sanction the State’s sex ed curriculum or that deny admission to “gender-fluid kids, etc). What better way to separate the wheat from the tares and restore the church to something resembling an actual body of committed believers?

  90. Frank K says:

    All one has to do is look at the “high”lights of the Democratic LBGTQWXZY “Town Hall” to agree with this. They seek to destroy what’s left of this country’s culture, forever. There’s not a “serious” candidate out there who doesnt agree with, and will industriously work for, the craziest sh*t that comes out of Beto’s or AOC’s mouth. They are there to move the Overton Window for the Dem that may follow Trump, either in ’20 or ’24.

    When they were all tripping over each other promising free healthcare for illegals, I was expecting one of them to shout “and I’ll give them a free brand new car and the right to vote!”

  91. Frank K says:

    What better way to separate the wheat from the tares and restore the church to something resembling an actual body of committed believers?

    There is little doubt that “tax the haters” will be soon followed by “shutter and confiscate their churches” and eventually “round up the haters”. Expect Antifa to disrupt liturgies and other services and deface church property while the police cross their arms and look the other way (under orders from City Hall)

  92. Frank K says:

    And the Churchians won’t be persecuted, because they will happily comply with the edicts, while denouncing those who don’t as being false Christians.

  93. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    English girl pines for American death row inmate: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-49814959

    Twenty-one-year-old Lorna Fitzpatrick has been writing to her American penfriend since she was 11. There’s nothing particularly unusual in that – except he’s a convicted murderer awaiting execution in Louisiana. …

    Lorna knows her situation is eyebrow-raising. But, sitting in her mother’s kitchen, with one foot pulled up on the chair, arms around her knee, she seems kind and sensible – not someone likely to make friends with a man on death row out of a sense of rebellion or the desire to shock.

    “I’m not saying it’s not weird,” says Lorna, who is from Newcastle in the north east of England. “It is weird – but really nice.”

    It was awkward, though, when her penfriend sent a note to her boyfriend saying: “You better look after her – I’m on death row, so I know people.”

    “He didn’t mean it. I thought it was really funny,” she says. “My boyfriend didn’t find it that funny.” …

    I’d read that women like men in jail because they are hyper-Alpha, but also safely behind bars. He can’t hurt her, or even cheat on her. It’s like owning a caged Alpha.

  94. feeriker says:

    For perhaps the first time in American history (1860s a possible exception), one of the two major political parties is publicly, proudly committed to the nation’s destruction as it has substantially existed for much of its history. Sobering to ponder.

    The way I see things deteriorating, this country has 12.5 months remaining before all-out civil war erupts. Election 2020 (which will not be seen through to conclusion) will be the spark that finally ignites the leaky powder keg that has been an explosion hazard for most of the last 30 years, if not longer. Neither side will accept the outcome of Election 2020, with the Marxist Left already threatening unrestrained violence if Trump is re-elected. Depending on which part of the country they’re in, they’ll probably get away with it.

    Lock and load, folks. The near future is gonna real ugly, real soon.

  95. Oscar says:

    @ Anonymous Reader

    Part of the problem we encounter regularly is men who are really not all that rational, but rather are in an emotional state. It is very much like arguing with a woman, go figure.

    I increasingly meet men who think, and argue like women. Invariably, when I dig a little, I find that they were raised by single mothers.

    They’re a generation of men raised by women.

  96. Oscar says:

    Off Topic: Popular Solo Female Travel Vlogger Thinks Pakistan Could Be The World’s No. 1 Tourism Destination

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/breannawilson/2019/10/11/this-popular-solo-female-travel-vlogger-thinks-pakistan-could-be-the-worlds-1-tourism-destination/#234889132707

    Pakistan. It’s not exactly on every solo female traveler’s bucket list. But that doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t be. Especially if you ask vlogger and content creator Eva zu Beck, who thinks Pakistan could be the world’s #1 tourism destination.

    And she doesn’t say this lightly. Having visited 60 countries and with more than 381,000 followers on Instagram, 421,000 followers on Facebook, and 324,000 YouTube channel subscribers as a result of the incredible travel content she creates – from videos exploring forgotten islands in Yemen to exploring Aleppo, Syria alone – she knows a thing or two about the world’s most under-the-radar destinations.

    But it wasn’t just her fearlessness that caught my eye, it was her content on Pakistan that really pulled me in. Because she didn’t just visit for a week or two, she lived there for an extended period of time (10 months to be exact), taking her time to really dig into what Pakistani culture, and it’s people, are truly like, creating videos and telling stories on her experiences there that are unlike anything else I’ve seen out there.

    She head straight into “Taliban Territory” to live with a local family. She trekked to the base camp of the world’s second tallest mountain. She traveled to the world’s highest paved international border crossing. She met with female carpenters to hear their stories. She took on Karachi alone. And she’s appeared on Pakistani TV.

    And while she developed her content independently of the government and tourism board, they took notice. Even inviting her to meet Prime Minister Imran Khan at a tourism conference, presenting to him her impressions of Pakistan as a travel destination from a foreign visitor’s perspective (and where she originally shared her thoughts on Pakistan having the potential to be the #1 tourism destination in the world).

    “Liberals”: Patriarchy is rape culture!

    Also “liberals”: Travel to Pakistan all alone, ladies! It’ll be fun!

  97. feeriker says:

    She head straight into “Taliban Territory” to live with a local family.

    New examples of the word “moronic” in action are constantly emerging. This one is unlikely to be rivaled for a long, LONG time.

    Travel to Pakistan all alone, ladies! It’ll be fun!

    Depending on how strongly you despise Pakistan, you should hope that Ameriskank tourists inundate the place. The result would indeed be a joy to watch.

  98. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    So, she travels for a living?

    Eva zu Beck left everything behind in 2018 when she quit her job and moved away from London in search of the world’s most extraordinary experiences.

    I guess being a social media “travel vlogger” is many a woman’s dream job. Don’t do any actual work. Just travel and post exhibitionist pictures of yourself in sexy poses, collecting Likes and compliments (and maybe some cash) from thirsty Beta orbiters.

    Social media is truly destructive, encouraging women’s worst instincts. Their narcissism, their exhibitionism, their desire for fame, to be the center of male attention.

    Social media is more addictive to women than porn is to men. And far more destructive.

  99. Oscar says:

    @ feeriker

    Depending on how strongly you despise Pakistan, you should hope that Ameriskank tourists inundate the place. The result would indeed be a joy to watch.

    It wouldn’t affect the Pakistanis much.

    @ Red Pill Latecomer

    So, she travels for a living?

    The “Instagram influencer” phenomenon is truly bizarre.

  100. Novaseeker says:

    I guess being a social media “travel vlogger” is many a woman’s dream job. Don’t do any actual work. Just travel and post exhibitionist pictures of yourself in sexy poses, collecting Likes and compliments (and maybe some cash) from thirsty Beta orbiters.

    Social media is truly destructive, encouraging women’s worst instincts. Their narcissism, their exhibitionism, their desire for fame, to be the center of male attention.

    Social media is more addictive to women than porn is to men. And far more destructive.

    Yeah, I’d argue the reverse. It’s more addictive to *men* than porn is, and more widespread in its addiction, and more destructive to them, because of that.

    Guys in the sphere like to talk about how women are absorbed with social media and so on, but the fact is that it is men, the eyeballs of men, the “likes” of men, the DMs of men, the cash gifts of men, and all of it, that drives women’s obsession with social media. The narcissism you see on display there is fueled by — male desire. It’s worse than porn, because a large number of guys who may feel not so comfortable with watching a lot of porn will nevertheless follow along countless girls social media accounts, drinking in their non-nude yet very alluring images, sending likes and messages and the like, and getting completely sucked into that world, fueling it by their visual desire and their inability and unwillingness to control it.

    Porn and social media are not different for most men — for most men, they exist on a continuum. What fuels them both is the same — male desire. It’s like the difference between a pin-up (non-nude) and a porn magazine in the old days: it’s a continuum of men who are conditioning themselves to be enslaved by their visual desire, and thereby become enslaved by women and their prerogatives.

    So, yes, “influencer” is a joke until you see how many likes they get. Go take a look at a pretty girl on instagram (I mean a pretty one, not some 5, but one of the pretty girls there), and see how many likes and views their photos get in only a short time after they have been posted. A large portion of those is from men, and the men are also making comments, sending messages and so on, and fueling the whole narcissism of it all.

    The core problem in all of this is the same: men not having a handle on the expression of their own desire. If men generally had a better handle on controlling their own visual desire, women would have much less power over them, and own much less space in their heads, than they do now. It’s a copout, a complete one, to say “oh, that’s just nature, you can’t control it”. Nonsense. Yes, it’s natural to feel desire, but what you do with that is volitional, 100%. Putting yourself in situations where you know you will experience visual lust is a decision — it’s volitional. Noone is forcing these guys to fire up instagram or what have you, just as noone is forcing them to view porn either. It’s 100% volitional in terms of what you do with natural desires, just like the desire to eat doesn’t justify gluttony.

    Men have to stop being enablers.

  101. Lost Patrol says:

    A large portion of those is from men, and the men are also making comments, sending messages and so on, and fueling the whole narcissism of it all.

    This is the classic orbiter. Some of it is taken to another level where the men don’t actually know these women in real life. They just follow them around virtually. Whole scenarios can be created without basis in reality, a la the old “how come we’ve never seen this girlfriend you keep talking about?” “You wouldn’t know her anyway, she’s from Canada”.

    The Atlanta Rhythm Section covered how this works back in 1978 with “Imaginary Lover” (satisfaction guaranteed).

  102. Novaseeker says:

    Some of it is taken to another level where the men don’t actually know these women in real life. They just follow them around virtually.

    I think that’s most of it, actually. A girl on instagram who has 5000+ views on her photos is not getting that from real life orbiters, it’s guys on instagram who are looking at girls on instagram because they like to look. They don’t know the girls, just like guys don’t know the girls they look at in porn, either – that’s why it’s basically a continuum.

  103. Lost Patrol says:

    5ooo!!! That’s a lot of affirmation.

  104. Oscar says:

    @ Novaseeker

    “Influencers” are no joke. Ms. Beck, from the story I posted, has 1,126,000 followers over three platforms. Obviously, many of them are likely duplicates, but equally obviously, not all of them are. In TV terms that older dudes like me can understand, she gets better “ratings” than “Late Night With Seth Meyers” on NBC.

    https://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/weekly-ratings/late-night-ratings-sept-23-27-2019-tonight-show-holds-onto-no-1/

    That means that advertising with Ms. Beck is likely more effective than with Seth Meyers. That’s why some of these girls can make enough to fund their constantly traveling lifestyles. Then there are the direct “donations” through Patreon, and other such platforms.

    When I said the phenomenon is “bizarre”, what I meant is that it amazes me how modern technology can make “stars” out of ordinary people with comparatively so little effort. Studio gatekeepers are obsolete.

  105. Anonymous Reader says:

    . Ms. Beck, from the story I posted, has 1,126,000 followers over three platforms. Obviously, many of them are likely duplicates, but equally obviously, not all of them are

    Some are bots. Who influences the influencer?

  106. purge187 says:

    “Apparently, “Beto” O’Rourke wants to tax churches that don’t support same sex marriage.”

    You think he’ll tax mosques that don’t support it as well? Me neither.

  107. Anonymous Reader says:

    Novaseeker
    A girl on instagram who has 5000+ views on her photos is not getting that from real life orbiters, it’s guys on instagram who are looking at girls on instagram because they like to look.

    It’s not just looking. Some girl online mentions in her Twitter feed she wants a sandwich, hundreds of men start searching for a delivery service like GrubHub to get it to her. Not as common as just pushing coins into an account, sure, but it does happen.

    Insert large image of “pedestal” here. That’s what’s going on, pedestalization. Nobody benefits in the longer run.

    They don’t know the girls, just like guys don’t know the girls they look at in porn, either – that’s why it’s basically a continuum.

    That’s a 20th century view. Camgirls have been around for a while, they bank coin, and they do interact with their audience in a way. I’m not going to look for it, but it wouldn’t surprise me if some of the Valley porn girls have gone online entirely; customized porn on demand, virtual cash in advance no doubt.

    The camgirl / porn aspect is a smaller niche than Instagirls, but it is as Nova says, on a continuum.

    Abstractly it is all dopamine hits, and thus becomes habitual. No different than some ancient trader heading for the brothel as soon as he gets into port, really.

    The easiest way to quit that habit would be “don’t start”. Easiest by far.

  108. purge187 says:

    Oh, and I hope more Western women take “vacations” in the Middle East. Let them find out the hard way that it’s not always cis White males who do bad things.

  109. Anonymous Reader says:

    purge187
    You think he’ll tax mosques that don’t support it as well?

    Doubt that Bobby “Beta” O’Rourke has thought that far. He also blabbed that door-to-door gun collection by cops would be a good idea; anyone who grew up in any part of Texas should know what would happen next. He’s an empty-headed babbler looking for attention.

    Probably should become a travel vlogger.

  110. Frank K says:

    He’s an empty-headed babbler looking for attention.

    Scary thing is that he got 48.3% of the vote when he ran for the Senate vs incumbent Ted Cruz.

    In a few more years, loons like him will be elected left and right, perhaps as soon as 2024.

  111. Frank K says:

    You think he’ll tax mosques that don’t support it as well? Me neither.

    It goes without saying that they will get a pass.

  112. Minesweeper says:

    “where there’s difficulties is when it causes a disparity,” she adds. “.. but a woman can interpret that as him no longer finding her attractive.””

    Where in lies the problem, snowflake now hitting the wrong side of 300 lbs, can’t for 1 second feel her over inflated ego take a nose dive.

    Otherwise the female collective will recant the word “that’s abusive” to the man ad infinitum.

  113. Minesweeper says:

    The taboo is NOT finding your morbidly obese tatted abusive rebellious skank sexually attractive. As in it might just be something to do with her.

    Thats just not kosher in this day and age. If a man can go to jail for a hand on the waist, how far do you stretch it that “abuse” is not wanting to touch your fat pig of a wife ?

  114. Anonymous Reader says:

    The next hot best selling book? Read this review with The Glasses on.

    https://www.aspentimes.com/entertainment/review-adrienne-brodeurs-wild-game/

  115. Expat Philo says:

    Mustached walrus, thank you for the link, but that looks a little too much like Larping or the typical commune shenaniganery for my tatstes.

  116. Opus says:

    I had a look at Ms zu Beck (she is Polish) Instagram account (which i do not understand as all I can see are photographs. Is that it? I suppose so) and Novaseeker is tight – lots of men – 3rd world types fawning over her as if she is their best friend. I am however puzzled as the photos are beautifully taken and so she cannot be alone which makes me wonder whether she is just some Dude’s pawn. I cannot say whether Pakistan is wonderful; or not but if it is how come there are so many Pakis in Rotherham. I see that Meghan Markle and her husband are just starting a four day tour of Pakistan. zzzzzz

  117. Novaseeker says:

    Opus —

    Google “instagram boyfriend”.

    There are pawns involved, but it isn’t the guy behind the phone camera, typically.

  118. Opus says:

    Novaseeker –

    Oh I see – Gigolo

  119. Jacob says:

    Pakistan is indeed beautiful…if you know how to look. If not, all you will see is a third world shithole full of terrorists and rapists, and pine for the feminazis and social media whores back home. Some people take ugliness with them everywhere and see beauty nowhere.

    On the other hand, Pakistan could represent a different kind of beauty to the Western woman. Something that appeals to the animal id as well as the runaway ego. We’re all very fond of lamenting the lack of honor and shame in Western women, justifiably, so it may be that the honor and shame culture of places like Pakistan’s are precisely what Western women crave. Shame is especially deficient in the Western woman’s heart, thanks to the modern Western culture, yet it’s something they’ll get beaten into them if they cross a very fine line in countries like Pakistan. It must have appeal.

    Women are a super-protected class in Muslim countries. It’s an idea that appeals to the feminist id, if not the ego. Sure, it comes with life-threatening risk, but isn’t that part of the thrill for ’empowered’ women? Power is just a word unless it can be demonstrated, and testing girl powers in Muslim countries must be the ultimate thrill for Western attention whores. The roller-coaster thrill ride they get flaunting themselves back at home just isn’t thrilling any more. The danger is not real at home. They need the heroin pure and uncut. In places like Pakistan they get the drug they crave: a genuine pull-no-punches, step-out-of-line-and-die attention-whoring experience. Attention from men who desire you for no other reason than the fact that you’re there but who can and may kill you for succumbing to it as not. This must be an exquisite thrill to the runaway hypergamous id.

    I do not think ‘beauty’ and ‘fun’ and ‘safety’ mean the same to women as they do to men. Beauty is a beast, fun is danger, and safety is a taunt.

  120. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Oscar: Studio gatekeepers are obsolete.

    Not so. Big Tech are the new gatekeepers. They allow Insta-girls and trannies through the gate. But they deplatform populists and nationalists.

  121. Jim says:

    As to the rest of you miserable MGTOW cat men, you’re the flip side of the feminist coin.

    No Mr. Liar, YOU trad-cons are the flip side of feminism as both are gynocentric. Stop lying and grow up.

    Without God all we have is under the sun, and nothing has meaning.

    Agreed. So stop worshiping pussy and start worshiping God instead.

    Yeah, I’d argue the reverse. It’s more addictive to *men* than porn is, and more widespread in its addiction, and more destructive to them, because of that.

    Guys in the sphere like to talk about how women are absorbed with social media and so on, but the fact is that it is men, the eyeballs of men, the “likes” of men, the DMs of men, the cash gifts of men, and all of it, that drives women’s obsession with social media. The narcissism you see on display there is fueled by — male desire. It’s worse than porn, because a large number of guys who may feel not so comfortable with watching a lot of porn will nevertheless follow along countless girls social media accounts, drinking in their non-nude yet very alluring images, sending likes and messages and the like, and getting completely sucked into that world, fueling it by their visual desire and their inability and unwillingness to control it.

    You got it. These pussy-boy “men” are so addicted to cunt that many of these idiots even throw money at cunts who don’t even strip naked. Talk about THIRSTY! Most of these men should be castrated because all they can see is cunt.

    Like tradcons and male feminists their validation is completely wrapped up in cunt worship. Geez guys have at least a LITTLE self respect!

  122. @JRR

    As to the rest of you miserable MGTOW cat men, you’re the flip side of the feminist coin.

    I think you are misinformed.
    Unlike feminists and MRAs (men’s rights activists), Mgtows have no interest in political change.
    This is a significant difference from feminists who are entirely motivated by garnering political power in order to control to ensure compliance. It’s pure irony that Christian conservatives and feminists use the same tactics for the same ends, but with wildly different outcomes of success. The feminists have already won, and the Christians lost to those Lions 59-0 decades ago.

    Another important difference is where Mgtows are situation in terms of dealing with the world around them. In terms of Kuebler-Ross Stages of Grief, most Mgtows are indeed at the acceptance stage of grief. Yes, newer Mgtows tend to hang out at the Anger and Bargaining stages for a time, but eventually they hit acceptance, and move on to lead rather happy fulfilling lives on their own.
    Mgtows are the conclusion of the problem. Not the beginning. For many men, Mgtow and the bachelor lifestyle is actually a great relief.

    Sure, some Mgtows would otherwise love to get married and have a relationship with a loving wife and form families. But the legal, financial and emotional risk associated with marriage as it done today, are simply too great and the rewards of marriage for any father or husband either non-existent or underwhelming.

    There are also some Christian men who follow the Mgtow or bachelor lifestyle. Sure, Christians will tell them they’re “not Christian!” because they won’t marry and be fruitful and multiple, but Paul of Tarsus, Nehemiah, Jeremiah and Jesus also never married. So slander doesn’t hold water. I think you would be genuinely surprised how many bachelors at church are Mgtow.

    Either way, I think the fundamental problem for conservative Christians is that they have no cogent argument against what Mgtows are saying. This is because Mgtows are describing the current field of play with a remarkable level of matter-of-fact accuracy, with statistics and studies, as well as from shared personal experiences that millions of other men have co-signed or substantiated by sharing their own similar experiences.

    Yet what many Christian conservatives seem so ready to do is shame these men with every indictment they can muster; “atheist!”, “you didn’t do it right”, “you weren’t penitent enough or close enough to God!”, “you didn’t pray hard enough!”, “you were a poor Captain of the vessel”, “you were incompetent!”, “you didn’t have enough frame!”, “you weren’t sufficiently swole and masculine!”.

    These shaming tactics are obviously cold, rude, unsympathetic, unhelpful and un-Christian. But more importantly, they no longer work.

    Understand that men used to have very good incentives to work hard, better themselves, attract marry-minded and family-oriented women, get married and form families.
    The most compelling of those incentives included:
    1. unlimited access to sex from his spouse, and assurances of her spousal monogamy (this has been destroyed by the sexual revolution)
    2. assurance of paternity (this has been destroyed by the sexual revolution)
    3. authority within the marriage and over the direction of his family that is commensurate with his legal, religious and financial accountability in that marriage (men today have zero authority in marriage anymore. This includes you, whether you accept that or not)
    4. societal respect for husbands and fathers (today husbands and fathers are regarded pathetic, sexless losers and punchlines to jokes).

    I get the anger and frustration at men not manning up, or pointing out the obvious problems and reasons not to marry. But I assure you that your quarrel is not with Mgtow men. It really isn’t.
    Most men I know even today still want to get married. But they don’t get married because they don’t want to get financial and legally annihilated and separated by their children due to the Eat-Pray-Love whims of their feminist wife, especially if she is “Christian” or “born again Christian”.

  123. Acksiom says:

    >Men have to stop being enablers.

    Which isn’t going to happen unless and until people provide better alternatives.

    But as Magic Leap’s “Mica” assistant demonstrates — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PzeWxtOGzQ — “Joi” from Blade Runner 2049 — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqB-gGP6G9I — is just around the corner.

  124. I think a lot of people get hung up on the moniker of “mgtow”. If we referred to these men as living a bachelor lifestyle or free-agent lifestyle, maybe there wouldn’t be so much belly-aching.
    What harm are they doing?
    Women regard Mgtows as invisible incels and misogynists for the most part. Irrelevant men they “wouldn’t have considered as economically attractive anyway!”
    Christians seem to regard Mgtows as traitors to the faith, unGodly heathens that hate women and manchildren that won’t grow up and marry all of these 10 year veterans of the cock carousel and single-mothers?
    PUAs call mgtows losers, incels and misogynists as well.

    Notice that most of the charges flung about are base ad hominem attacks upon any one bachelor’s person, rather than a constructive criticism of the issues at hand. This is because of the gross inability of the individuals leveraging such epithets to submit a counter-argument to Mgtow, or to issue a compelling or persuasive argument for men to get married and form families in this age of no fault divorce. They don’t even offer an alternative.

    It’s an embarrassing and abject failure to persuade.

    I am not being a jerk to suggest that Feminists, Women and Christians should actually team up to form a “Marketing Tiger Team” on this matter, because when it comes to expressing a persuasive and compelling value proposition of marriage to men in 2019, they are all still standing there looking utterly ridiculous, holding an empty sack.

  125. PokeSalad says:

    The Atlanta Rhythm Section covered how this works back in 1978 with “Imaginary Lover” (satisfaction guaranteed).

    So did Manti Teo 😀

  126. Spike says:

    constrainedlocus:

    …”Women regard Mgtows as invisible incels and misogynists for the most part. Irrelevant men they “wouldn’t have considered as economically attractive anyway!”

    Christians seem to regard Mgtows as traitors to the faith, unGodly heathens that hate women and manchildren that won’t grow up and marry all of these 10 year veterans of the cock carousel and single-mothers?

    PUAs call mgtows losers, incels and misogynists as well…”

    Seconded. The saddest one is the one in the middle.Those people are supposed to have eyes to see, a spirit of discernment and a heart of compassion. That they don’t shows that they are worldly not Godly.
    As a MRP, I encounter a lot of hostility to my views in church. I frequently get that I have reprobate views on women, that I am an extremist and a hater – for telling the truth about what Rollo calls “The Feminine Imperative” and others call the “Gynocracy”.

    Ultimately, these insults show Mgtow is chipping away at the mainstream feminist narrative. it also shows that the ”Femstablishment” is getting increasingly frustrated and desperate.

    Shaming men who have lost everything will not get them back into the fold. The fold has to change, because there is something profoundly wrong with the fold.

  127. Oscar says:

    @ Red Pill Latecomer

    Big Tech are the new gatekeepers. They allow Insta-girls and trannies through the gate. But they deplatform populists and nationalists.

    Good point.

  128. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    constrainedlocus: Women regard Mgtows as invisible incels and misogynists for the most part. Irrelevant men they “wouldn’t have considered as economically attractive anyway!”

    I suspect that many MGTOWs are very “economically attractive,” including myself.

    It’s easy to accumulate wealth when you don’t have a wife and kids to support. When you rarely travel, or buy tickets to expensive events, or go to expensive restaurants, because you don’t want to go alone. When your social life consists of hanging out with other men at libertarian or conservative gatherings in family diners, or at genre conventions, where every man pays his own way.

  129. Paul says:

    I can’t remember the countless times some Christians have tried to argue that marriage is the ultimate goal for men and women, despite the apostle Paul being perfectly clear on multiple occasions, especially in 1 Cor 7:

    “Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.”

    “But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.”

    ” I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord’s affairs—how he can please the Lord. But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband. I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.”

    If you can control your sexual urges, to not sin sexually, it is BETTER not to marry. Case closed.

    Even for those who are married the apostle says:
    “From now on those who have wives should live as if they do not; […] For this world in its present form is passing away.”

  130. Scott says:

    Paul-

    The only issue I have with that interpretation is context. Its pretty clear that he (and the others around him) believed Christ was coming back in their lifetimes. If everyone followed that advice, there would have been zero Christians within one generation.

    That’s my one individual-as-Bible-interpreter comment for the year.

  131. Minesweeper says:

    @Scott says:”If everyone followed that advice, there would have been zero Christians within one generation.”

    How so ?

    Nobody is born a Christian and there seems to be plenty of individuals born into Christian families who leave the faith.

  132. Scott says:

    While I don’t believe anyone is a born a Christian, I do believe in infant baptism and raising them up as Christians. This is the most effective way, in the aggregate to sustain the faith. Adult conversions seem pretty rare That part is debatable, I guess. But the main point is, Pauls instructions to the married and unmarried to stay in their current state or act as if they are not married (not have sex?=not have babies?) seems pretty self-defeating. It only makes sense if you are preparing for an immediate (or imminent) end of the world.

  133. Novaseeker says:

    UGH.

    Heterodoxy is heterodoxy and Orthodoxy is orthodoxy. Never shall the twain meet till the parousia. Lord have mercy on us all.

  134. Scott says:

    Nova

    Hah! You said it!

    That’s why I tried to stay focused on the imminent return of Christ context.

  135. Novaseeker says:

    That’s why I tried to stay focused on the imminent return of Christ context.

    Yup, just riffing on your goodness 🙂

  136. Minesweeper says:

    @Scott, True, most Christians I know were brought up in Christian families. But teenage conversions\early adult hood are quite numerous (myself included).

    After >25 you get the odd 1 but its pretty rare.

    I’ve known far more Christians who were brought up in christian families turn away from their faith in their 30/s\40’s than non-believers have come to Christ.

    Sadly.

  137. vandicus says:

    Paul also said it was better to marry than burn with passion(which I suspect means most people). So that solves the baby issue pretty handily.

    “For I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children to Abraham.”

    This as well. If everyone had become monks, I think God would’ve managed.

  138. Paul says:

    Again, Christians need to die, then be born-again, NOT just be born. I do not believe in infant baptism as a replacement for circumcision (only boys were circumcised…), but even if I would, we are not instructed to breed and raise new Christians in this world, we are commanded to make disciples of ALL nations. Even if you have children, you have to make disciples of them. Your children are not automatically saved for eternity, as many a Christian parent to their regret can testify.

    The same thought can be found in the letter to the Galatians:
    “Be glad, barren woman, you who never bore a child;shout for joy and cry aloud, you who were ever in labor; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband.”

    MORE are the children of the woman who never had a physical child, i.e. these are spiritual children. Similarly, the apostle Paul calls himself (spiritual) father to many.

    And as an aside; yes Paul was expecting Christ to come back in his lifetime, but so should all Christians expect Christ to return in their lifetime. But we don’t know when He will return. So we expect Him to come at any moment, yet know that we might not experience that during our lifetime. For Paul it was an exhortation to be fully committed to the Lord and follow where He leads.

  139. Paul says:

    As an encouragement: literally thousands of Mohammedans convert to Christianity in Iran, where there are now an estimated 0.5 – 1.0 million secret Christians. Many of these converts share stories where they personally meet Jesus in a dream which starts their conversion. Mind you, there are virtually no churches in Iran. These people are the living proof of being spiritual children, even outside of any organized church.

  140. Scott says:

    Paul–Not sure what you are suggesting Christians do (ie–how should they behave in light of Isaiah 54:1–which is what is being quoted there). It is a metaphor for the nation of Israel, so pretty hard to read much into it for literal married women who have real babies with their real husbands. Should they be embarrassed of their fertility?

    Vindicus–sure, but I have found that using what God can manage in spite of my earthly behavior to be a slippery slope with the potential to justify almost anything.

    Instead, I ask “what would happen if every did [what I am doing, or suggesting people do]?”

    A world without Christian parents devoted to each other in the sacrament of matrimony raising the children they made together strikes me as intolerable. Especially in the dystopia we live in today.

    My sister, who died of an overdose at 32 was en route to my home for a vacation in 2013. Why? She said “you two are the only ones in the family who have created a loving home. I feel relaxed there. Its like grandma and grandpas house.” She died before she could come relax with us and feel surrounded by love again.

  141. Paul says:

    Of course everyone believes to be in the orthodox group, and all the others to be in the heterodox group. But even the Lutheran Church and the RCC have officially recognized each other after 500 years. So apparently errors in doctrinal judgment among the highest church authorities is not even possible, but it can continue to exist for centuries.

  142. Paul says:

    Not sure what you are suggesting Christians do

    To loosely quote the apostle Paul:
    It’s better not to marry, but if you do, you have not sinned

  143. Paul says:

    What counts foremost in this life is that you commit yourself to follow Christ above all else.

  144. Scott says:

    If someone is married, and worried or insecure about whether or not they have sinned, then I would contend that someone has placed an unnecessary stumbling block in their path.

  145. vandicus says:

    Scott

    I am of the view that we are not all called to do the same things. Some are called to celibacy, those who are not should marry. Not all should teach as well. The priesthood is a high calling, but not all are called to it.

    1 Corinthians 12 somewhat addresses this idea of different roles.

  146. Scott says:

    Fair enough. And I spelled your screen name wrong, sorry about that!

  147. Anonymous Reader says:

    @Scott

    Note the displacement occurring.

  148. Minesweeper says:

    @Scott, “My sister, who died of an overdose at 32 was en route to my home for a vacation in 2013”

    Oh man, so sorry to hear that 😦

    My condolences.

  149. Anonymous Reader says:

    Scott
    A world without Christian parents
    https://infogalactic.com/info/Shakers

    Their celibacy resulted in the thinning of the Shaker community, and consequently many of the other Shaker settlements are now village museums, like Hancock Shaker Village in Massachusetts.

  150. Lost Patrol says:

    Fruits of chivalry, different flavor.

    https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2019/10/15/big-changes-to-grueling-special-forces-course-draw-scrutiny/

    The changes that are beginning now have led to resentment among some Special Forces that the brass wants to make it easier to pass the qualification course as a way to boost lagging recruiting numbers and ensure that women will eventually qualify.

    Remember, and this is true for all services, the standards will never be “lowered” for anything. They may be enhanced, modified, adjusted, or some other descriptor in order to account for the exigencies of modern war, changing strategic landscape, etc.

  151. Oscar says:

    @ Lost Patrol

    American Soldiers, mostly men, will pay in blood for this politically correct experiment.

  152. Paul says:

    @Scott

    the apostle Paul’s instructions are for those contemplating marriage. I did not make this up, this is revealed Scripture, I’ll include the exact quote:

    “Are you pledged to a woman? Do not seek to be released. Are you free from such a commitment? Do not look for a wife. But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.” 1 Cor 7

    It’s as simple as that.

  153. Paul says:

    @Scott

    And the apostle Paul is addressing all of us, i.e. every Christian should be able to understand what he has to say.

    “To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be his holy people, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours” 1 Cor 1

  154. Frank K says:

    Some “manly” firefighters painted their nails:

    https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/utah-firefighters-girl-nails

    Don’t read the comments as the tradcons are tripping over each other to show their approval.

  155. American says:

    The real fruit of feminism and chivalry is right here: https://redoubtnews.com/2019/10/will-texas-court-force-little-boy-become-girl/

    It’s the children that suffer the most.

  156. info says:

    @AR
    “I’ve known older men like this; a great-uncle, an emeritus supervisor, some churchgoing men. Even as a teenager I could see the gap between that big talk, and the way their wives could lead them around by the nose. ”

    The inversion of the holy matrimonial relationship which is supposed to symbolize Christ and his Church.

    Its as if Jesus was the one being led by their nose by the Church inverting what is in truth the relationship between Jesus and his body. Just as much as Gay “marriage” is a perversion of real marriage.

  157. Oscar says:

    @ American

    It’s always the mother.

  158. DEN1 says:

    I have no pink in my wardrobe, and never will.

  159. Red Pill Christianity says:

    OffTopic (but you are gonna love this one):

    Friday, I was working at this law office with one of my outside vendors. Because we only had a conference room to work in and the large table was covered with documents and laptops, we decided to have lunch at the office’s break room/kitchen, since it looked really upscale and well-stocked and had a long table. Suddenly, these two women come in, both are attorneys, one in her early 50s and the other in her high 30s-early 40s. They are already talking and don’t even acknowledge us and sit down with their backs to my vendor and are eating some yogurt or something out of a tall cup, still yappin’.

    The one in her 50s starts by telling the other that she cannot believe “how nasty that a$$hole was”. Me and the vendor just listen and look away from them. She then starts telling the younger one how she now always uses new “curbside pickup” at the local grocer, Publix (similar to Kroger, Bi-Lo, or Safeway) because her mom is getting worse. Then she begins her 6 minute tirade about “the a-hole” (spelled out, spoken aloud with great outrage in her voice).

    Turns out the ahole was some kid who works at the grocery store. Our 50+ princess ordered several items since her mother “is worse, stage 5” (cancer) and she cannot put any time into going into a grocery store since her mother is living with her now. She came in to pick-up her order and after putting the monumental effort of parking her car in front of the store in a specially-marked space and electronically opening her trunk door, (repeating her exact words): “I had a meltdown. After the jerk left I was there crying and crying in the parking lot. I was so angry I could not even drive. Can you believe it?”

    What did the grocery store kid do? He placed all the goods she ordered into a cardboard box, but inside the box, he “only put, like, 2 things in each PLASTIC bag” (verbatim quote). And she forcefully mentioned has “a lot of reusable bags” while 40s princess lawyer looks in horror, as if she just heard the stats about 70 million babies have been murdered since Roe v Wade became “law” in 1965! OH DEAR HEAVENS! You know THAT kinda outrage.

    But wait let’s think about this. How could the kid use her reusable bags (which are in her house, apparently) to be used inside store, if she ordered it all online and just drove-up to pick it up? And even if she had reusable bags in her car, how could the kid know that? And imagine if he had brought the stuff un-bagged inside a big cardboard box and this middle-aged princess had no reusable bags with her, wouldn’t she then “have a meltdown” because she has no way to carry the stuff in this big heavy box (packed by an “evil” man, no less)? She goes on for several minutes about how “the planet is ending here I am with a ‘mountain’ of plastic bags” (actual verbatim quote). And she mentioned twice more how she “could not stop crying”, this was “sooooo upsetting, I was so angry I could not drive” and “my hands were shaking”. She then said she did not know what to do, whether to call the manager to come back and un-bag everything or drive home and destroy the planet.

    Ultimately, we get the impression that she drove home with the bagged items and started the Doomsday Countdown of the planet. Lol The younger lawyer said that the solution to “this awful situation” is to have them deliver groceries directly to her house and if she is unhappy with it, she can tell them or leave or she can call the cops. She actually said “call the police” if she is upset about a grocery delivery. She, like many women today, think the cops are some sort of an armed mobile customer satisfaction enforcement division, for women’s ever displeasure, disputes with her boyfriend, complaints about the value of their Christmas gifts, etc.

    Me and this vendor guy were just sitting there listening to this, just rolling our eyes and shaking out heads. We could not even look up, it was too obvious. This went on for a good 10 minutes.

    She finishes her whatever-in-a-cup, gets up, and ended her story by saying that she hates living in a patriarchy so much every day, these things always reminds her of the patriarchy (this apparently since the grocery store kid is a male… and if you ever meet these dudes that work as baggers at Publix, he is probably BARELY male). And at the end, as they stood there, the younger woman asked “so what’s with your mom?” and older lawyer says just flat, no emotion: “she is definitely dying, and she is soooooo lucky not see the world end”. (Another actual quote).

    Me and this guy wait for them to leave and get up and immediately go back to the conference room. The moment we close the door behind us we both bust out laughing and started talking about how insane the whole thing was and how typical this is with women like that, especially female lawyers, he told me some other stuff he has seen before in other offices, even medical offices. Turns out, he is a red-pilled Heartiste alumni (and promptly told me to go check out the website), which I have read for years and earned a PhD from already.

    I have worked with this guy many times and just now found this out. I guess that is a real positive end to this story. I sent him a text later last night: “I just started crying. I went to Walmart and I got plastic bags” and he replied “I read your text and I just had a meltdown because the world is now definitely ending tomorrow”. LOL 😀

    Conclusions:
    Global warming is not science, it is a religion to the fanatics who adhere to it. Women can be very callous. Priorities matter. America is an amazingly rich and incredible country and the system of male chivalry has created too much comfort for ungrateful women. In most of the world, people are worried about having safe drinking water or not living on the streets or having enough to eat. Decadence comes from having this level of comfort, but we should be cautions about how long this party on the credit card is gonna last, especially in a post-Trump world. You never know when you will meet Red Pilled men out there, probe them cautiously and you can meet RL new allies allies. The more comforts men create for Western women, the more spoiled and ungrateful they become.

    Oh yeah… did I mention her mother is dying of stage 5 cancer?

  160. Minesweeper says:

    @RPC, Your right, I loved it. A perfect encapsulation of the nonsensical female mind.Have you checked out rossy these days, gone mega into WN.

  161. Anonymous Reader says:

    Minesweeper, did you miss the “cancellation” of Heartiste by WordPress earlier this year?

  162. Minesweeper says:

    @AR,no i caught that. Pity, I found it better when he was moderated at least somewhat by the threats of WP.

    I read a few of his posts on gab and his new site. Didn’t fancy going back, and I’ve enjoyed what he has wrote over the last 10 years.

  163. Minesweeper says:

    @AR, he seems to have given up posting even on heartiste.org, its mostly gab content only now.

  164. Minesweeper says:

    Its abit like when “Top Gear” cast was constrained by the hand of the almighty aunt beeb.

    Let loose on Amazon without restraint, its lacking a great deal.

  165. Oscar says:

    Was either lawyer named Karen?

  166. Minesweeper says:

    @Oscar says:”Was either lawyer named Karen?”

    Very good.

    But more importantly – did either of them have the haircuts ?

  167. Red Pill Christianity says:

    @Annonymous Reader:

    Heartiste was deplatformed/banned by WP, but it has been back ever since. Sadly, all comments are gone. There are also SEVERAL Heartiste clones and “time machines” with all comments available online. But “official” site, with all its writings, is here:

    https://heartiste.org/

    So was I, by the way, based on 2 complaints from members of a local church that opposed my local “young men’s” group. It is extremely easy to get someone banned online these days.

    @Oscar:

    Nope. The lawyer’s name was not Karen. It is Coleann (she is female) she is a radical fem, she has books by Michelle Hussein Obummer, she has short hair that does not even reach her shoulders, she is bitter and angry but is kinda thin and has short bluish dyed/black hair (this is the 50+ year old having meltdown). The “younger” one, she is high 30s/early 40s (my mistake, she was not lawyer, she is legal secretary) was Lisa is fat, boy-cut hair (shorter than Grandma haircut) and is looks way older than real age, someone clearly bitter and depressed, probably.

    One thing they both agreed on was that plastic bags mean end of the planet and agreed police should resolve this problem when a grocery delivery.

    @MineSweeper:

    When she started her diatribe, I thought she would save the term a$$hole for someone she really hates, like her ex-husband/ex-boyfriend ex-whatever, a rival lawyer, or a co-workers or something.

    To get this upset at some minimum wage-earning kid at a grocery store is just insane.

    Also, her dying mother was an afterthought. Shouldn’t she be shaking and crying about her dying mom?

    In a more rational level, how can a few plastic bags, literally destroy the planet? Plastic bags have been around since the 1960s. How come the world has not ended back in the 1960s? But now it will end if she goes home with plastic bags?

    Because I am a terrible person, If I knew what car this 50+ lawyer drove, I was going to put one of these Trump PLASTIC straws on her windshield. And believe me, I have a ton of these on hand now! lol

    But then again, if I got caught, she would sue me for sending her into a mental institution after seeing a plastic Trump-branded straw! LOL

  168. Anonymous Reader says:

    @AR, he seems to have given up posting even on heartiste.org, its mostly gab content only now.

    Yes, the .org site hasn’t been updated since May. I don’t do Twitter, Gab or other socials. I look at a couple of Twitter timelines once in a while, but that’s it. Unhappily I anticipate that Twitter, FaceBook and other socials will be completely converged in the next 8 to 10 months in order to affect the 2020 election.

    The usefulness of Heartiste was in decline for a couple of years before the cancellation, partly due to the shift in focus to politics, and partly due to decline in quality of comments. There were about 5 Boomer regulars who eventually dominated and jammed comments with their endless sniping at each other, endlessly repeating the exact same political slogans, jumping onto any newcomer, etc. On the rare days when Roissy posted an actual Game-related essay, the usual Boomers would jump in to get their political chops in early.

    The problem of “Boomers and older X’rs with too much time on their hands squatting in comments exists on other sites. It just got really bad, combined with the racial politics that drove me away from reading Heartiste. Because it wasn’t even close to the same site where Keoni Galt posted one of the best comment / essays ever, a kind of stream-of-consciousness / timeline on how he turned his marriage around by ignoring all the standard advice. I should go find it via WayBack, download it and convert it to PDF, that essay was a mini-tutorial in Married Game. It would be a useful thing to have on hand, to email to a man in need — of which there are many.

  169. Minesweeper says:

    @AR, “t just got really bad, combined with the racial politics that drove me away from reading Heartiste. Because it wasn’t even close to the same site where Keoni Galt posted one of the best comment / essays ever, a kind of stream-of-consciousness / timeline on how he turned his marriage around by ignoring all the standard advice. I should go find it via WayBack, download it and convert it to PDF, that essay was a mini-tutorial in Married Game. It would be a useful thing to have on hand, to email to a man in need — of which there are many.”

    Hell yeah do it ! Before its lost forever, if you can find it, post the damm thing here.

    Its a tragedy really. Heartiste was a mainstay of the redpill.

    Where else was Game distilled so purely.

  170. Red Pill Christianity says:

    @AR:

    They are not even hiding the fact they are working together to sway the 2020 election to a literal Communist, Liz Warren. Warren is a Commie in every way possible, except for calling herself one, but her policies and proposals are basically a mix of Native American lore and Soviet Union ideology. (I could not resit). lol

    FB is at least trying to pay lip-service to “Conservatives” and Tweeter keeps Trump online (for now) as not to enrage millions of users right before an election. But if they feel Trump will win, they may shut him down suddenly anyway, in a desperate attempt to sway the election and face the consequences if Trump wins anyway.

    Now…

    It is hard to deny Heartiste focused way too much into politics, but that is a natural progression to all Generation X PUAs. As the Gen X’ers like myself, Roosh, Aaron, and Heartiste move into our mid to late 30s, the shift moves into politics, philosophy, religion, families, the future of our country, and even relationships.

    Roosh has had a radical conversion to Orthodox Christianity and even self-banned his own Game book series. I met Roosh in person, and I was impressed (wrote about it a couple months back).

    But the material on Heartiste is Game bonanza. Heartiste’s writings on Dread, Amused Mastery, and relationships are simply priceless. Life-altering stuff.

    PDF the material, it is Game knowledge gold. The comments also have an incredible amount of knowledge in them too.

    @MineSweeper:

    Yes, I confirmed with Heartiste (via Gab a few months back), that he is not really updating the site anymore. He just wanted his knowledge of Game and a number of other things to be back online, searchable, and for all to read freely. Any old links can be converted easily.

    I am creating a new Heartiste Reader of top topics on PDF and online for Game newbies.

    He is Gabbing like crazy because he is not afraid of censorship. I get it, being totally banned/deplatformed after so many years and comments being lost in an instant is incredibly discouraging.

    Fortunately AND unfortunately, because Roosh has began a serious path into Orthodox Christianity (Armenian Rite), he has indefinitely suspended all new RoK new material, another Red Pill site. His Forum has taken a bit of a hit too, as he has closed off all new Game sections, all Flag-gathering materials, and more.

    Whom do we have left putting out constant quality new Game material these days? Black Dragon? Troy Francis? Aaron Cleary (sorta)?

  171. Jesus Rodriguez de la Torre says:

    62. Sam says: October 13, 2019 at 2:10 am
    @Jesus Rodriguez de la Torre
    Trying to call out Dalrock for not doing life how YOU want, and saying things have gotten pathetic around here and that so many are ‘functional atheists’ is a lot to take from a non-OG commenter.
    1- It is Dalrock who writes “Thoughts from a happily married father on a post feminist world.” Can someone point to any blog by Dalrock on how to be “…a happily married father on a post feminist world.”? All I see is an accurate portrayal of what is wrong with the current Church and world. Note that, an ACCURATE portrayal of the problem. I explicitly agree that the call to “man up” and marry the typical modern Christian woman is a bad idea. I am no white knight.
    2- A functional atheist is someone who is a believer, but whose arguments and thought patterns are show no evidence that they actually believe God makes a difference. It was a long time ago I married. In fact just today my wife corrected me as I told a store clerk that I was 47 years married. She said it has only been 37 years, not 47 and though she is correct I added that she shouldn’t lie just to cover her age. This was met with an eyeroll because she knows I will be me, not what she wants me to be. As she went back to saying the shoes she was going to buy were too tight I told her not to buy any, and wear a pair I wasn;t using. More eyerolls as the clerk tried not to laugh. I do not cringe in fear of my wife because God has my back and she knows it.
    3- I have no idea what an non-OG commenter is.
    4- My acrimony is at the treatment of the only 2 people who have tried to offer solutions, as opposed to the constant griping. Identifying the problem accurately is the first step, which Dalrock does, and why I will continue coming back until and if I am banned. However, are we women who simply complain or men willing to fix things. Again, it is Dalrock who claims to have a happy marriage. How would be an interesting post. If one is already available, by all means educate ,me.
    5- As to my name, I thank the person who explained that it is a common name among Cuban born. In fact, I am Jesus, firstborn of Jose and Maria, a joke my pastor gets irritated when I make it.
    6- Many times I have written here that considering the typical Christian woman in America, MGTOW is a rational choice. It is women who become most unhappy without families; but most men also do better married. Those stats are quite clear. The majority of men in their old age who will be happy without marriage are more than women, but still a minority.
    7- I have raised 3 daughters worth marrying, 2 already are, with the help of my wife. Alcohol works like a truth serum on my wife. On the last wedding she got drunk (about every other year she gets drunk, and no, she’s not a secret alcoholic). I made the rounds thanking people for coming, wearing a Borg-like appliance on my head that I made from old camera parts because, well, I am me. She was too drunk so people started going to her and I started hearing from several tables away: “I had nothing to do with it. It is because Ramon (me) loves so much that our kids turned out so well.” She kept telling everybody how it was because of me that everything was so right with our lives and our kids life. She is of course wrong, but I have managed to deceive her into thinking it. If you’re a Christian you would know how the fear and love of God blend into the same awe. She does not see me as God, but she has an appreciation of her role, and so she honors me often as she should because I am her husband. NAWALT is true, there ARE women like that. They are RARE as rubies. Now, given Dalrock’s claim that he is happily married, it seems reasonable to ask why.

    I will gladly accept Dalrock banning me and deleting my posts if he chooses. I am taking an extended break from the entire internet due to business. I have written all I plan to for some time.

  172. Anonymous Reader says:

    4- My acrimony is at the treatment of the only 2 people who have tried to offer solutions, as opposed to the constant griping.

    At the top of the page there are links to categories.
    Here is one:
    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/category/finding-a-spouse/

    Via that page various essays are easy to locate.

    Such as this one for women from May of this year.
    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2019/05/15/thoughts-on-conducting-a-proper-manhunt/
    Or this one from December of 2018.
    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2018/12/12/must-a-father-teach-his-son-to-fix-things/
    As well as this cautionary essay from July 2018?
    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2018/07/26/the-cost-of-sluthood-2/

    Continue back in time and eventually you will come to these essays:
    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2010/07/09/interviewing-a-perspective-wife-part-i-should-you-open-a-position/
    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2010/07/10/interviewing-a-prospective-wife-part-ii/

    Note the year.
    For your complaint to be valid, you ought to have read all the relevant essays since 2010, and you can do that via the “finding a spouse” link above.

    I suggest you do some homework and reconsider your complaint.

  173. Anonymous Reader says:

    I am taking an extended break from the entire internet due to business. I have written all I plan to for some time.

    Ok. Bye!

  174. Scott says:

    AR-

    I’ll be in the bathroom for about 11 minutes and then I might check back here one more time before I go to bed. Will you wait up?

  175. BillyS says:

    Wall of Text alert! Hard to read!

    Though the content isn’t much better.

  176. Red Pill Christianity says:

    @Jesus Rodriguez de la Torre

    No one simply walks into being a happily married father or husband with no kids. To be happy is a combination of self-contentment and hard work to achieve the things in life that makes each one of us happy, as individuals. Happiness to one may be hell to another and vice-versa.

    You are confusing Atheists with Deists. Atheists believe there is no God (of any kind), no afterlife, no salvation, no miracles, and nothing supernatural or spiritual. A Deist is someone who believes that God is Supreme and the Creator, may even believe in Jesus Christ granting all salvation, but that God now takes a “hands off” approach to human existence, save for very few instance in human history, thus why bad things happen (like wars, famine, disease, etc). Big difference.

    I can agree with you that discussing and finding solutions, not only discussions of problems is critical to a happy life, human growth, and self-improvement. I find a lot of solutions to the crisis in male-female relations, the breakdown of families, and other current social problems are related to culture, the expansion of radical feminism and politics into every aspect of American life today, and the weakening of Christian influences in our culture and society. Indoctrination of kids masked as education is another massive problem. While we can all agree these are huge problems that a single person cannot fix alone, we certainly should discuss solutions.

    For example, developing and employing assertive and strong masculine attitudes coupled with Game strategies, as unpopular it may be to some Commenters as of late, is a solution to many problems relating to gender relations, relationships, and even marriages. Dread, Amused Mastery, and self-improvement are tools to fix and improve human relations in our dysfunctional world. These are actual solutions to actual real-life problems.

    Other issues, such as the DivorceRape epidemic and judicial abuse of men/fathers is a massive issue without a solution at this time, save for a Supreme Court case forcing Family Law courts to guarantee men due process, grant men equal protection under law, enforce contracts (like Prenuptial Agreements, etc), provide divorcing couples access to juries, end “no-fault divorce”, and grant access to actual Appellate Courts on Family Law cases. Or legislation t fix these things. Both are difficult paths to fix this massive problem, so the current solution is to avoid Marriage 2.0 at all costs and marry only in church (ceremony, where God is the only enforcer of the Vows), without filing paperwork with the government and reside in a non-Common law Marriage State and a State without “community property” laws, for instance. Or do not get married until the courts or Legislatures fix Marriage 2.0 is another solution, although not a great one from a Christian point of view.

    Honestly, a lot of your arguments are valid, including your understanding why MGTOW has become such a large and growing movement in America. I personally favor Game over MGTOW, but I respect these men’s decisions. It is a jungle out there and male-female relations are the worst ever, in human history, perhaps. MGTOW is a solution, albeit not my favorite one.

    I think you should continue to comment, Jesus (pronounced “hey-Zeus”), and take responses with an open mind and in-stride.

    I encourage you to read Dalrock (especially his exposes on feminism and identifying poisonous fake Christianity) and Heartiste & ReturnOfKings (Game, life, and relationship management). There is a wealth of information out there. Second only to Christian doctrine, The Red Pill and its vast online knowledge is a wellspring of life and a path of self-improvement like no other.

  177. Sam says:

    2JRR It’s such LAME posturing. 3 more vignettes about your wife, and your being proud you deceived her? Again, there’s no room to flex if that’s truly her thinking. You picked a shit wife with a bad opinion of herself and you hammered that home IF these stories are true. That’s the lesson here from the two big comments, and that’s not bragging rights. Repeat, it’s not hard to keep someone in a hole and keep them beaten down, it’s easy.

    Again you whine at Dalrock, but he’s not obligated to talk about how to be happily married—to anyone. Though another commenter nicely gave you some compiled links.

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