Andi does Melbourne?

From The Sun: I swiped through so many men on Tinder I was told there were NO matches left – and I’m still single

Andi Lew, 46 – a wellness coach from Australia – even started “pin dropping to other places and countries” in her bid to find love.


She explains: “If you reach ‘the end’ of the app a message will pop up saying ‘there’s no-one new in your area’ – at which point you need to widen your area and age range.”

She perfectly captures the female preferred form of promiscuity.  She wants something meaningful (implying commitment), with no strings attached:

Andi says she’s focusing on apps that are “geared toward showcasing yourself to attract more meaningful connections”.

And while she’s not actively pursuing a relationship, she likes knowing that someone might be looking for “something real and kind”, and that things may develop naturally “without expectation”.

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H/T Nick M

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71 Responses to Andi does Melbourne?

  1. thedeti says:

    It’s the typical female strategy of keeping all options open. This is what women call “Dating Around” and “dating in your 20s”. In truth, it is

    “I want to be free to have sex with all the hot guys I want while at the same time being able to accept commitment from one of them should he offer it, and free to seek out beta bux chumps as a last resort.

    “This way I can truthfully say I’m not dating anyone but am still free to go into and out of “relationships” at will. So when I have sex with multiple hot guys I’m not cheating on anyone. And when I snag and trick some beta bux guy into commitment I can truthfully say I never cheated on a guy and am freed up to accept commitment.”

  2. DeepThought says:

    She fell madly in love with someone but did not want to live in Sweden.

    She is lonely by choice.

    The carousal of sex is funny that way

  3. thedeti says:

    “I have to say I want something “meaningful” because if I don’t, I’ll look like a slut, and I don’t want to look like a slut. I want to be able to act like a slut and have sex like a slut, but not look like a slut. If I say I’m looking for a relationship while I’m having lots of hot fun sexy sex with hot fun sexy men, that means I am not a slut. Because my intentions are honorable and I just want to be a wife and a mommy someday. And that means I’m not a slut.

    “Sluts are trashy and dirty and drunk and STD ridden. Sluts are poor and poverty stricken and stupid and underclass or working class. Sluts don’t go to college, didn’t graduate NHS from high school or Phi Beta Kappa from college, and don’t work in offices. Sluts drop out of high school and work at Wal Mart or the other shitty discount stores. And that’s not me. I just have a lot of sex with a lot of men, but I’m looking for a relationship and I went to college, and that makes me not a slut.”

  4. Anonymous Reader says:

    “Then the elevator door opened. She had reached the top floor of the Man Store…”

  5. Lost Patrol says:

    Andi

    “A person becomes more attractive once you understand how they think.”

    I wonder if she understands this cuts both ways.

  6. greginaurora says:

    Single Mom Can’t Find Husband

  7. feeriker says:

    She wants something meaningful (implying commitment), with no strings attached:

    One order of fried ice, coming right up.

  8. Pshaw! May she be eternally lonely with her cats and boxed wine – having rejected many suitors, no doubt, when she was younger & fitter.
    Related story – dating agency in Edmonton taking a lot of flak for ‘ripping-off’ its female clientele; they are being sued by a client, aged 67, who says she was cheated by them.
    Oh, the humanity!

  9. Dyler Turden says:

    These kind of mid-30’s/mid-40’s spinsters are the kind of women who reject men who are higher on the socioeconomic ladder than themselves but are 8-10 years older than than them because they “Can’t get past the age difference.”

    As a man nearly 40 who is interested in finally starting a family, I’ve had better romantic prospects with women in their 20’s than early 30’s. This current generation of women Xennials seem broken beyond repair.

  10. locustsplease says:

    And we all really know how many women are sluts and dont say a word about a hookup and dont have 40yo still hot body mileage. About the only complaint i hear from these disgusting aging thots is they cant b a cum dumpster for the top chads anymore.

  11. Novaseeker says:

    Sluts don’t go to college, didn’t graduate NHS from high school or Phi Beta Kappa from college, and don’t work in offices.

    Exactly. That’s why we see those kinds of women involved in this:

  12. okrahead says:

    Melbourne has 5 million people just inside the city limits… and she reached the end of the internet for one night stands… that’s not a carousel, that’s every roller coaster in every theme park in the world. She tinder hit everything available in a city of 5,000,000,000. It’s gotta be like the Grand Canyon down there… plowed more times than all the wheat fields in Nebraska… patient 0 for the std zombie plague.

  13. okrahead says:

    That moebius loop tattoo she has? It’s her n count.

  14. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    An early Vagina Monologue written ca. 1300: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/26/medievalists-excited-parchment-fragment-vagina-monologue

    It has been called the earliest form of the Vagina Monologues – an argument in verse between a woman and her vulva, originating in the Middle Ages.

    Now a fragment of the text, about who gives more pleasure to men, dates the poem to 200 years earlier than previously thought.

    … the poem can now be dated to about 1300. … one of the first ever erotic poems.

    In the poem, a virgin woman (junkfrouwe) argues in a free-flowing, often witty dialogue, with her speaking vulva (fud) about which of them is held in the higher regard by men.

    The virgin argues that it is by her looks that men are won over, whilst the vulva, accusing the virgin of putting too much stress on her appearance, says it is she who provides the true pleasure. …

  15. Splashman says:

    @deti,

    “I have to say I want something “meaningful” because if I don’t, I’ll look like a slut, and I don’t want to look like a slut. I want to be able to act like a slut and have sex like a slut, but not look like a slut.”

    Exactly. +1 to your entire comment.

    There is a churchian version of this rationalization as well.

  16. Splashman says:

    @Okrahead (and Dalrock),

    I’m certainly not defending this detestable female, but she doesn’t claim or imply she “dated” all the available men in Melbourne or even all the available Melbourne men on Tinder. She claims she can’t find any more Melbourne men on Tinder she wants to “date” — i.e., she has high standards. So while it’s obvious she’s got a wristband for the carousel, it’s not obvious she’s ridden more often than the average single woman her age.

  17. Spike says:

    Welcome to Australia, dear readers!
    Unfortunately for us, this is the pickings for the average Australian man.
    When Andi is supposedly over her wild party years, over her Tinder swipes, over her hot Swedish man she fell madly in love with but won’t go back to Sweden for, she will find…you. She will say that after all that looking, what she “needed” was right in front of her, all the time.
    Her “love” won’t guarantee you stability, though, for she will, even at 46, be looking over her shoulder for her next “The One”.
    Her story is exactly why in the past 3 censuses, exogamy – or marriage outside one’s ethnic group, accounts for the majority (56% +/-2) of Australian marriages. By far the most common pairing is the Australian man and the Asian / Indian wife, leaving 25+% of ethnically Anglo-Saxon Australian women unmarried and of those that are married, they do so late, often to men of Arabic or African extraction.
    My own wife is Asian, my son’s wife Eastern European.When he began looking for a wife, he said to me, “If I was in Australia, I would definitely look for an Asian or Indian girl for a wife. No way would I go for an Australian”.
    Ethnicity itself isn’t a sure guide to marital stability. I myself have written about the concerns that drove me to finding Dalrock and the red pill which saved my marriage. There is something to Australian society that disgustingly turns its’ women into unmarriageable sluts with unworkable partnerships. That something would be unbridled uncritical acceptance of feminism, progressive laws and a media class that ruthlessly prevents any opposite views being aired. Consider this gem:

    https://www.smh.com.au/education/private-school-principal-issues-stern-rebuke-to-warring-parents-20190806-p52ei7.html

    By the way, in the state of New South Wales, the state government is debating passing a law on up-to-birth abortion as liberal as any on the most liberal states in the USA. It’s satanic, disgraceful and disgusting.

  18. locustsplease says:

    There was a skit on saturday night live decades ago about james bonds std’s. She has bond number seven for sure. It ate thru the beaker.

  19. Bart says:

    I’m a year younger than this woman, and my wife and I are celebrating our 20th anniversary next week. Wow! This woman is past her expiration date. She is still a foolish child in a middle aged body, no matter how fit she is.

  20. Anon says:

    One order of fried ice, coming right up.

    You can tease women by sending them this chart, and telling them that fried, liquid ice (i.e. the perfect man) exists at Triple Point :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_point_(thermodynamics)#/media/File:Phase-diag2.svg

    “Why can’t you go to Triple Point? Why?”

  21. Joe Ego says:

    and that things may develop naturally “without expectation”.

    Without the man expecting her to stick around if she finds anything displeasing when compared to any imaginings in her head.

    And, as much as the article and these comments apply to any woman, how is any 46 year old woman so disconnected from her environment that she thinks she can be so picky?

  22. Joe Ego says:

    and that things may develop naturally “without expectation”.

    Without the man expecting her to stick around if she finds anything displeasing when compared to any imaginings in her head.

    And, as much as the article and these comments apply to any woman, how is any 46 year old woman so disconnected from her environment that she thinks she can be so picky?

  23. Anonymous Reader says:

    No Bumble service in Melbourne?

  24. tteclod says:

    All these tales from the modren world imply women are stupid.

    That’s not a value judgement of the blog writer; it’s just an observation.

  25. Random Angeleno says:

    … plowed more times than all the wheat fields in Nebraska …

    Not to be too pedantic, but having worked in the Nebraska boonies, I’m sure you meant corn fields.

  26. Tom C says:

    She’s not actively pursuing a relationship but she ran out of men on Tinder.

  27. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Spike: There is something to Australian society that disgustingly turns its women into unmarriageable sluts with unworkable partnerships.

    There’s a classic Australian horror film, Picnic at Hanging Rock (1975). It’s set ca. 1900, at a girl’s finishing school. Its themes include the sexual repression of young women in Victorian Era Australia.

    The “horror” is implied (we never see a monster, just an explained disappearance), but the sexual repression these young ladies endure is supposed to create an “atmosphere of tension.”

    If this film is accurate, it seems that Australian society at least tried to prevent its young ladies from growing up in unmarriageable sluts.

    There is apparently a 2018 remake. It’s still set in 1900, but the cast is more diverse. I don’t know how diverse Australian girls finishing schools were in 1900.

  28. Spike says:

    Red Pill Latecomer:
    In 1900, Australia had the White Australia Policy in place. It was a nation-founding policy that was to keep out immigrants, a reason the 6 colonies became federated into an Australian nation. That meant that the entire population consisted of either Anglo-Saxon Australians or indigenous Aboriginals. The Policy was dismantled in 1969.
    Diversity would therefore have been very unlikely.
    And yes, finishing schools and schools in general were once very strict. That declined since the mid-1970s, the rot setting in with the the onset of no-fault divorce, brought in by the late High Court judge Lionel Murphy, a sort of Australian Ronald Reagan in his Governor-of California days.

  29. imnobody00 says:

    She is bragging that nobody is good enough for her in order to increase her status. This is the reason of going public and the pictures. “Look at me! Dontcha want that your 46-year old wife was hot like me?” Classic attention wh*re

    Back in the dark days of the patriarchy, a woman doing that would have been considered a massive sl*t and her status would have dropped dramatically. Bring back stigma!

    https://www.city-journal.org/html/bring-back-stigma-11807.html

  30. Red Pill Christianity says:

    If that ugly lady from the OP linked article can land a jacked and shredded dude like one in the hottub pic…. WOW. Australia is worst than UK in terms of girl quality! That jacked dude can easily and I mean easily land a much hotter girl here in the US. He reminds me of a friend from HS who was jacked like that and he monopolized a tremendous number of hot girls from senior class.

    FYI, “running out of men” on Tinder is not surprising in some locations. Many women here in the USA sit there every morning and just for fun, they swipe on Tinder, never ever intending to go on a date. I have several confirmed stories from different younger guys from my group who used Tinder and met girls from Tinder and they told me the girls they met via the site would tell them how much they enjoying the “swiping game” every morning, never intending to meet these guys. They do it solely for attention. They are open about it.

    That is because women are experts of wasting our time. And money too, if you let them. So don’t let them…. Game them hard and test them out before you commit any time and/or resources to any woman today. Make sure SHE invests something into relationship or she will just be another attention-seeker wasting your valuable time.

  31. Opus says:

    Is she Indian? – or has she just developed a very deep (from a bottle?) tan – and why exactly is Sweden, a country where everything anyone needs is supplied gratis, unacceptable to her. For forty-six she certainly looks good and indeed with a great figure but like so many women she has ideas above her station or rather simple arithmetic shows why few can marry royalty. On the blog that I was reading about Meghan Markle where all the commentors were outdoing themselves in promoting their feminist credentials even as they slagged off the former yacht-girl it was clear that what was really motivating them was jealousy that someone as trashy as Markle should have snagged a Prince. Great news however: and this blog has twice recently referenced The City of Brighton and Hove, (The Regency Dandy and then The Feminist Chair) there is now an online petition to the Brighton Council which will have to be discussed in committee requiring The Council NOT to refer to Harry and Meghan by their Royal Titles or by any reference to their being The Duke and Duchess of Sussex – they are that unpopular.

    What puzzles me is why Dalrock so often links to British newspapers – surely America has some equally as downmarket as The Sun. I, when very young, had a boss who took The Sun every day – in those pre-Puritan days there was a topless beauty such as busty Sam Fox every day on page 3 thereof – and so I asked him why, he, an attorney, and The (London) Times is the paper of choice for lawyers, read The Sun. His disingenious answer was that it was compact enough that he could read all of it in a day. Why bother with the latest citable law-reports in The Times when you can read about trash like Andi Lew in as it describes itself The super, sexy, sizzling, soar-away Sun – and all for 20p which is about fifteen American cents.

  32. Red Pill Christianity says:

    Opus, while the UK does have obesity issues and ugly women as we have here in America, we have a LOT of ugly women like that as well. We simply call it “diversity” today instead of what it is really is – the Braziliafication of America.

    What do I mean by that? Not only American economy has been Brazilified (wealth distribution shifts from middle class to a small elite whereas 1/10th of 1% of the population control 70%+ of nation’s overall personal wealth), jobs are mass exported, poor, ugly migrants are mass imported into the country, and social malaise and unrest increases (rioting, theft, drug use, suicide, mass shootings, etc). We have also had the Brazilification effect on the appearance of the people.

    Then you have the Brazilification of the population. That is when the elites, un-affected and insulated by mass immigration, opens up the nation’s borders and mass import the ugliest people imaginable from places like Central America, for example. You can watch hours of footage of the Central Americans invading America through the US-Mexico border and there is not a single good looking man, woman, or child. If there is one attractive illegal in the bunch, you can be almost certain they are from Russia, Ukraine or Czech Republic, Colombia, or somewhere with attractive people. The Central Americans, Filipinos, Polynesians, Middle Easterners… are just plain ugly.

    It is so well known, in Brazil, they say “she must be Bolivian or Peruvian” (that implies legendary ugliness of the women in Central America). Compare Miss Peru with Miss Colombia or Miss Argentina and you can see what I mean. Even Brazil can still produce southern Brazilian chicks to compete in Miss Universe, while Peru for instance has to rely on foreign parentage women to even qualify. lol

    But in America, just as in the UK, once you mass immigrate so many ugly people, it gets to a point the population begin to become uglier and uglier overall. It is a centrifugal effect. And the country becomes poorer too. Just check out California, it used to be a paradise for the middle class and full of “California girls” (many songs written about the hot girls from Cali). Go to California now, it is one of the most obese states in the country, people are poor (save for the elites running top tech companies), and with the ugliest chicks imaginable.

    The term “Brazilification” is often used economically, but also in terms of ugly people. The hottest girls in Brazil are form southern Brazil, where the population is overwhelmingly German, northern Italian, Ukrainian, and Lithuanian.

    You go to “diverse” areas of Brazil like Fortaleza (northern Brazil) or Rio de Janeiro (central), it is what I lovingly call “Flipflopistan”. The girls dress poorly with flip flops and shorts, and many have the ugliest faces imaginable. And they are getting fatter each year and always more feminist and more covered with tattoos.

    As the Western world becomes more and more Brazilified, it will not only produce uglier people, it will also become more socially unstable, poorer, and more violent. Such is the fate of nations with open borders and mass welfare for migrants.

  33. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Opus: What puzzles me is why Dalrock so often links to British newspapers

    Perhaps because the Daily Mail has so much American coverage. It sometimes seems they have more American stories (and more American commentators) than British stories.

    It seems that the Daily Mail website is British in name only. Like so many of the bigger websites, it serves an international audience, which is reflected in its content.

  34. Lost Patrol says:

    One must always bear in mind that Our Boy Opus, besides being highly entertaining and informative, is also what his dear friends across the channel would call – I will translate – A Provocative Agent.

  35. elspeth says:

    @ Nova:

    I find it kind of interesting that NYT used that particular polyamorous family as the cover shot for their piece. Truth is, and everyone knows it, black men juggling women isn’t new or noteworthy

    Much more impactful to their point would have been to use the medical doctor chick, Karen Ambert, who is quoted early in the piece and pictured farther down in it. She and her partners are even considering adding kids to the mix, as horrible as that is.

  36. Scott says:

    There used to be an spoken but understood by everyone reality of assortive mating. I had a teacher in high school actually break the silence on it once. I don’t remember what the topic was that he veered from, but he said something like:

    Any time you see a couple together–and its obvious they are couple–they generally are within 1 point on the 1-10 scale of each other. Its understood. You may see a 7 with an 8 or whatever, but you never see a 3 with a 9. Unless there is something else really extraordinary going on there.

    I remember everyone having a good chuckle at his musing, because it was true. I remember looking over at my girlfriend, who was in the same class and thinking, “yep. We’re objectively pretty well matched there.”

    Only recent developments in the form of increased narcissism, the OKCupid effect, and other strange trajectories have made it so this rule is being challenged. Aim for someone in your own category! It just makes more sense. If everyone could just get on board with that rule, life would be easier. I’m just saying.

  37. Novaseeker says:

    @Els —

    I thought so, too. My guess is that the editor could have gone either way in terms of the flow of the story, but that leading with the non-white group seemed more “correct”, instead of “centering the article on the experiences of whites”.

    I agree that to the extent that this is novel it’s in the educated white professional bohemian class in places like Brooklyn — the “BoBos” (Bourgeois Bohemians) of David Brooks’s earlier writings.

  38. Scott says:

    “an unspoken rule”, pardon me.

  39. Novaseeker says:

    Only recent developments in the form of increased narcissism, the OKCupid effect, and other strange trajectories have made it so this rule is being challenged. Aim for someone in your own category! It just makes more sense. If everyone could just get on board with that rule, life would be easier. I’m just saying.

    Scott —

    It works as long as most people pair off. When most people pair off, the ability of any one person to get with someone outside their “band” is greatly reduced because those people are paired off themselves to other people in their own, higher, band, and so everyone is forced to settle on someone in their band, or not participate. That is, a system where most people pair off is a system that is very hard to “cheat” or to “game”, because the people one would want to access are simply not available because they are paired with others already.

    When people only pair off much later, as is the case today, there is an extended period of life during which people (generally women, given the way that supply/demand work in the marketplace) can access people outside their band (i.e., higher), and use such (sexual) access to try to snag them for a pairing off. This rarely succeeds because, in the end, most of the higher banded men, if they want to pair off at all, will eventually want to pair off with someone in their own band and not someone below it, even though they will gladly have temporary relationships with women below their band in the period before they are interested in pairing off with anyone. But because people are not ultimately pairing off for years and years today, the strategy gets deployed for as long as it is viable, because the potential upside (cheating the system, in effect, and snagging a mate higher than your own band) is too much of a jackpot to abandon until forced to do so, at least for many. And then when the time comes that one realizes that the strategy isn’t feasible any longer, even in the attempt (the higher banded men become less interested in you), one is already accustomed to the higher banded men’s attention, such that men in one’s own actual band simply do not cut it.

    This will continue to happen to a certain percentage of particularly “ambitious” women (when it comes to men) as long as the pairing off date continues to be late (and in fact it seems to continue getting later, which will further the same trend).

  40. Scott says:

    Nova-

    I definitely agree with you that it works best as an aggregated system wide strategy. However, I think it can still be done in late stage pairing, if you really want to.

    Here I am with my fellow “band mate” when she was 32 and I was 35.

    And then again, almost 14 years (and four babies) later. I’m 48, she’s 45.

    I THINK we are still a pretty well matched couple. Even when you account for total n count, history, SES, etc. My point is, if Mychael was some random woman I met today, I would STILL be interested, and would be very likely to date her. And my previously mentioned high school teacher would approve. I believe thats true even when accounting for “wife goggles.”

  41. thedeti says:

    the strategy gets deployed for as long as it is viable, because the potential upside (cheating the system, in effect, and snagging a mate higher than your own band) is too much of a jackpot to abandon until forced to do so, at least for many. And then when the time comes that one realizes that the strategy isn’t feasible any longer, even in the attempt (the higher banded men become less interested in you), one is already accustomed to the higher banded men’s attention, such that men in one’s own actual band simply do not cut it.

    Leading more and more men to the correct conclusion that the women choosing them at 35 are settling, hard, and don’t really want them. Also, men are concluding, correctly, that these women never really wanted these men, not really, ever, even 100 years ago when these women by the millions were marrying these men by the millions in their late teens or early 20s. But women were forced into that system, and accepted it. Though they were kind of content, and their lives were OK, they weren’t “happy”, and they weren’t all that satisfied, and they didn’t really want those men, which culminated in the Feminine Mystique and no fault and mass divorces in the 1970s and 80s and early 90s. And of course what we’re seeing now among men is a direct reaction to mass divorces, in many cases seeing their own parents divorce and their own mothers treating their own fathers like shit, and saying “no way is that ever happening to me”.

  42. Novaseeker says:

    However, I think it can still be done in late stage pairing, if you really want to.

    I would go further and say that it *is* done, because almost all pairings are within one’s actual band.

    The issue is that if one is accustomed to dating higher than one’s band for an extended period, one is much more likely to find the inevitable marital pairing, which is within one’s actual band, to be eventually unsatisfying. Obviously this is more an issue for women than it is for men — it’s primarily an issue for women, because they are the ones who are dating above their band in earlier years, and it’s one of the drivers of the divorce rate. Some women, however, are able to avoid this, for various reasons.

  43. thedeti says:

    Scott:

    I think it can still be done in late stage pairing, if you really want to.

    Yes, it can, but there are differences between your situations and most of that early to mid 30s age range.

    Your and Mychael’s marriage is the second for both of you. She had a kid before she met you. There’s something about failed first marriages for a lot of people that really steels them, rights them, makes them grow the F up, and gets them to work their crap out and gets them straightened out. At least for a few women, there’s something about single motherhood, bills, and responsibility, that makes them grow up and get very serious very fast about either marrying again and doing it right, or not marrying at all.

    You’re also both serious about your faith, even if you weren’t as serious then about it as you are now. Also makes people grow up.

    By contrast, your average 32 year old woman today has never been married and has no children.
    She has spent the last 12 years or so having lots of hot sex with hot men, and has just in the last couple of years started thinking about marriage. This 32 year old woman still functions at the same level of social and sexual maturity as she did when she was 20. Life is a never ending party – a smorgasbord of fun, clubbing, drinking, using recreational drugs (all paid for by men she’s having sex with or men who want to have sex with her), the occasional sex partner, and the even more occasional boyfriend. Sex is on tap whenever she wants it. Anything she wants, she can get it anytime she wants, or a man around her will give it to her. She has no responsibilities other than working her job, but hey, the men at her job will cover for her and fix her screwups. So all she really needs to do is show up. She’s got great friends, great coworkers, and great fun. Life is awesome for her.

    Your average 35 year old man today has also never been married and has no children. He’s had a few relationships, a couple long term, but nothing really worked out. He works under the thumb of oppressive bosses, but he gets results. He’s not really well accomplished as a lot of other men, but he’s not a slouch. He’s stressed out all the time. He doesn’t get enough sleep, he consumes too many calories, he doesn’t have enough time for his hobbies, and his family hassles him about when he’s gonna settle down. He is well aware of the social pressures he faces – life, work, social connections, church, are all hostile to him at every turn.

    The average 32 year old woman who expects 35 year old Chad Thunderc*ck who now is a partner at a law firm or an investment banker, instead gets 35 year old Alan Associate or Al Assistant Pastor or Tom Teacher or Paul Plumber or Ernie Engineer or Carl CareerEnlistedMan. And she’s thinking “Um, what??? Where’s all the hot guys? You expect me to marry up one of these guys?? You’ve GOT to be kidding.”

    So that’s the problem these women face – it’s even worse at 32 for them than it is at 20….

  44. John James R says:

    “Aim for someone in your own category!”

    Sure. But now that pesky 80% overweight issue in our post 25 females really is a monkey wrench in the works. A lot of decently fit, well-to-do, clean, charismatic, good men in the USA (BTW, these guys are top 5 percentile internationally without having a clue about their worth) versus an astounding lack of good women. So, ‘nice guy’, receding hairline, only 5’9″ etc and now he must date in his own category! Meaning an obese female. So your advice has a major design flaw. An American male 5 is likely on the short side, doesn’t work out, makes 50-70k a year, is fun and interesting and very good to women. An American female 5 is at least 50 pounds overweight. Males who are 7’s and below must ALL date/marry fat women. I don’t know about any of you but I cannot achieve or maintain when I’m with one. I’ve only tried a few times and don’t care to ever try again. Fat women are pointless.

  45. Joe Ego says:

    Yes: most women are shopping out of their market when they decide to settle down after 30+.

    John James R’s point is just as important: most of those women get even worse results because their age and weight make them unattractive guys who would have been happy to marry them in their early 20s.

  46. Cane Caldo says:

    Women’s Liberation was such a bad idea.

  47. thedeti says:

    From those photos of Scott and Mychael, neither of them appear to have aged much in 14 years. Especially Mychael, which is 14 years and 4 babies later.

    See what a good marriage will do for someone, especially a woman?

  48. TheTraveler says:

    @Deti

    Good summary. And a very insightful point–their maturity at 32 is the same as at 20. So maybe “50 IS the new 30.” Just not in the way these shopworn gals think.

    I know one former “Sex in the City” lifestyle gal who hit the carousel rider’s jackpot: handsome, wealthy professional semi-bad boy (but oddly cuckish) a few years younger than her (she’s late 30s). But at her age she is still beautiful and hot in the sexy-girl-next-door way. She’s also a difficult person, and medically troubled–so she not only hit the jackpot, she got a special bonus, too.

    But a whole lot of others like her don’t have her looks, and so probably aren’t going to win the jackpot. Their youthful glow is dimming, and they’re still waiting for the Almighty to send them “the right guy,” (one even told me she knows God’s intended man for her is out there–they just need to cross paths. Uh huh.).

    Most men want someone they find cute (almost never an 8+), personable, kind, morally compatible, domestically skilled, and sexually enthusiastic. That leaves (theoretically) a pretty broad (pun not intended) selection group. Or used to.

    Women want something special–even if their definition is laughably flawed. In college I got attention from women, but nothing special. Then I became a dorm Resident Assistant, and found myself fighting them off. This included their friends who didn’t even live in the dorm. It wasn’t an ego trip because I cynically concluded that my new-found attractiveness was based on a visible “power” position, as minor and petty as it was. My last year, I wasn’t an RA, and feminine attention went back to normal levels. I was left with very definite, somewhat dark, impressions about female character. And I never dated any of these girls–to me, it felt like an abuse of power, as well as compromising what authority I did have to maintain order.

  49. sipcode says:

    Andi is but one of billions of women that ‘blasphemy the Word of God.’ And microscopically few people recognize this, much less give a damn.

  50. JRob says:

    In the same vein, hear an example of “Godly” advice a pastor gives “When parents and their daughter disagree about marriage.” Start at 19:50.
    https://www.oneplace.com/ministries/running-to-win/
    Hamster-by-proxy.
    Make room in the carousel!

  51. Joe says:

    thedeti says:
    August 7, 2019 at 11:59 am
    From those photos of Scott and Mychael, neither of them appear to have aged much in 14 years. Especially Mychael, which is 14 years and 4 babies later.

    See what a good marriage will do for someone, especially a woman?
    *************************************

    Yeah, but I’ve seen well married people who look terrible and are very unhealthy.

    We’re both 59, and are very healthy. My wife looks better now than she did 15 years ago. Besides being well married, we have good habits.
    And good habits are very importatn.
    Without turning this into a health blog the summary is that we are 95% carnivore. We were “keto” years before it was cool. My wife’s skin is smooth and wrinkle free. Out of all of our friends, she is by far the best looking and fittest women I know, and I am by far the fittest guy (<10% bodyfat). We lift weights twice a week. Sex is a very important part of our lives.
    We share a glass of dry red wine most evenings when we sit on the couch and talk.
    We are content. Sometimes we just play a game together. That gets interesting, as we're both very competitive.

  52. Clemsnman says:

    I’ve been married for 22 years, so this doesn’t include me, but if I were young and looking today, I wouldn’t waste a week in the US. After traveling abroad a good bit in my last job, I can tell you pickings are way better in Eastern Eur and Asia, and even S America.
    I’ve advised my 16 yr old son to make sure he visits Japan before settling down.

    Beyond the fatitude you get, listening to them “y’know, it;s like, wow, like, I can’t even, like, y’know?”
    At least if they’re doing that in another language it’s not as bothersome.

  53. Joe says:

    Clemsnman says:
    August 7, 2019 at 1:47 pm
    I’ve been married for 22 years, so this doesn’t include me, but if I were young and looking today, I wouldn’t waste a week in the US. After traveling abroad a good bit in my last job, I can tell you pickings are way better in Eastern Eur and Asia, and even S America.
    I’ve advised my 16 yr old son to make sure he visits Japan before settling down.

    Beyond the fatitude you get, listening to them “y’know, it;s like, wow, like, I can’t even, like, y’know?”
    At least if they’re doing that in another language it’s not as bothersome.
    ********************************************************
    YUP.
    My 28 year old managed to do well for himself. Got debt free and moved to what will remain an un-named Asian country. He is semi-retired there. We visited him for a couple of weeks.
    The level of respect I got while I was there… I can’t even describe. What an incredibly polite and respectful society. I can see why he likes it there.
    He’s been to Japan a couple of times along with other Asian countries, but where he is now is far better.

    As a aside, my wife is Eastern European. Her mother was first generation over her from Poland.

    She still speaks Polish.

  54. John James R says:

    I have no children but if ever do have a son, I would definitely try to travel the world with him in tow before he turned 16. This would eliminate oneitis/pedestalization mistakes that can lead a small/mid-size town boy into a tragic youth. A 16 year old who’s walked the beaches in Rio isn’t likely to come back home and worry at all about the snarkiness from Becky the 160 pound h.s. sophomore.

  55. ZJay says:

    Anonymous – “Then the elevator door opened. She had reached the top floor of the Man Store…”

    … and once their she realized she no longer has the “capitol,” in the form of youth/beauty/inocence/fertility, to “purchase” the “top floor,”‘ top shelf, men. What’s more she shoped for so long that now there is a shortage of solid mid-floor, “mid-shelf,” men. She could still find some used, damaged, or out-of-style men in the discount bins down in the basement, … but that would mean admitting she had made a mistake in prolonging her shopping trip and blowing all her “capital” on short term rides and rentals.

  56. Opus says:

    Is it morally right that so many here plan to denude other parts of the world of their hottest females (you colonialists) and what makes you think that if you entice her back to the U.S.of A. she will fit in? Am I seriously to believe that alpha dudes in America cannot find among your millions of young women someone suitable. One tends to marry not so much the girl as the family and if she comes from a third world country she will sooner or later import both her near and more distant (and they have lots of distant) family members. Mixed marriages are fraught with problems and are a cruelty to the offspring. When I was in America (so I have seen some of your offerings) there was a cartoon circulating: a photo of a blond chick looking cute in a bikini with the caption ‘the ugliest chick in California’. If I were you that is where I would look, on the beach at Venice. a blond chick, you in your baggies with your board all waxed, Jan and Dean on the headphones. That at least is the way I like to think of it.

  57. ZMAN says:

    @Opus

    Dude you must not live in America LOL On the beach in Venice? A blonde surfer girl? The same girl is 25 dicks deep and enough beta orbiters on facebook/Instagram to have validation and attention that has totally fried her brain. By the time she gets into her late 20s the skanky tattoos are there and a bastard child in tow. 62% of children born to the millennial generation have gone to single mothers. In other words, good luck with that. I’ve already dealt with what you all here describe as the “wholesome” American girl…..the insane amount of games/hoops to jump through just to have a conversation or ask her out, the endless amount of social media b/s, the beta orbiters, finding out she’s actually a slut, etc. Quite frankly, it is not worth it.

    The best girls that I have met in the US who actually make an effort to meet a man have all been foreign born women from Asia, Latin America, and surprisingly several middle easterners. American women are completely destroyed…..they have no actual relationship starting behaviors and have lost the ability to attract a decent man. Quite frankly, if I leave the US, I would never bring a wife back to this country. I would leave it entirely.

  58. TheTraveler says:

    @Opus

    I’m quite certain that’s your dry British humoUr showing.

    If only it were that easy…I’d buy a surfboard!

  59. Jim says:

    Scott-

    I’ve been reading along and lurking for a little while, and lets face it. You are and your wife are outliers. At 45, she is more attractive than most women half her age. Maybe its genes, or as deti points out, just being in a good marriage. No matter what, aging has been very soft and easy on her. But I don’t think its reasonable for the average guy or girl to think or believe they can have a story like yours.

  60. Dylan Sexton says:

    Joe says:
    August 7, 2019 at 1:41 pm

    >We’re both 59, and are very healthy. My wife looks better now than she did 15 years ago. Besides being well married, we have good habits.
    >And good habits are very importatn.
    >Without turning this into a health blog the summary is that we are 95% carnivore. We were “keto” years before it was cool. My wife’s skin is smooth and wrinkle free. Out of all of our friends, she is by far the best looking and fittest women I know, and I am by far the fittest guy (We share a glass of dry red wine most evenings when we sit on the couch and talk.
    >We are content. Sometimes we just play a game together. That gets interesting, as we’re both very competitive.

    from a 27 year old man, that sounds awesome. my mom did keto for 6 months in response to an ovarian cancer thing and put it in recession and lost, i dunno, 30 pounds? she loves sweets too much to give them up permanently, but she piqued my interest in keto as a permanent lifestyle choice.

    Under 10 body fat is quite the claim. If true then good for you. Weight lifting is based. I’m gonna get back into it when I figure out how to get roids…

  61. John James R. says:

    “Is it morally right that so many here plan to denude other parts of the world of their hottest females (you colonialists)”

    LOL at your inadvertent revelation. Who needs ‘the hottest females’ from other parts of the world? In other parts of the world, the normal, mediocre women are attractive enough for marriage. In E.Eur, S. Am, and Asia, a ‘normal’ woman is thin, feminine and sexually desirable. It’s only in America where you must get up into the ranks of the ‘hottest’ women to even find one worth touching, not to mention marrying. So it goes when 80% are physically unhealthy and however many of the healthy ones (OMG! She’s thin!!!!!) are some combination of obnoxious, masculine, spoiled, crass, drugged, tatted, rude, spoiled, arrogant, psychopathic, narcissistic, disloyal.

    “and what makes you think that if you entice her back to the U.S.of A. she will fit in?”

    You wouldn’t want her to fit in, but V.A.W.A laws make it a moot point anyway. You simply cannot marry a foreigner and bring her here given the amount of incentives she has to falsely accuse you of abuse. She’ll be fast-tracked to nearly immediate citizenship and likely gets a massive payout plus all kinds of aid. And that’s just from an accusation. There doesn’t need to be any proof at all. So it’s not an option for any man who has researched his situation. Alas, many won’t, and will just wander into the grinder.

    “there was a cartoon circulating: a photo of a blond chick looking cute in a bikini with the caption ‘the ugliest chick in California’.”

    So the media was pedestalizing women and overrating them? You don’t say?!!! I have to say that when I lived in L.A., I was amazed by the physicality and health of the women so I give them credit there. Granted, that was before I’d ever been overseas and at that point in my life, I was conditioned to regard a physically healthy woman as a kind of goddess/dream girl.

  62. Hugh Mann says:

    Red Pill Latecomer – that medieval German poem – it’s remarkable that the German for the vulva used in 1300 (‘fud’) still has the same meaning in modern Scotland.

  63. JRob says:

    August 7 @ 1:40
    https://www.oneplace.com/ministries/running-to-win/listen/a-heavenly-heart-part-2-of-2-when-jesus-has-your-heart-770631.html
    Choose “A Heavenly Heart, Part 2 of 2.”
    Apologies for the POI miss. It’s worth the listen, 19:50.

  64. Red Coco says:

    Damned Whores and God’s Police

  65. AB says:

    Her advice for online dating?

    “Go on apps where you can read a little about the potential date.“
    ——-

    So….I guess “Craft a personalized message based on something unique about the profile” is passé now?

    Sigh.

  66. Karl says:

    Every single one of her photos showcases her breasts. If she wants something more “meaningful” that might not be the best idea.

  67. BillyS says:

    Look at her actions, not what she says she wants! But don’t look at her chest unless you are hot!

  68. horsemanbombadil says:

    Btw she is also a major anti vaxxer. Anyone want this mothering their child?

    https://reasonablehank.com/2016/02/24/anti-vaccine-author-appears-in-health-insurance-advertisement/

  69. BillyS says:

    I am a major anti-vaxxer horseman. Big Pharma is a pox on our society. A few vaccines are reasonable, but many are just profit centers for Big Pharma.

    You now trust government and Big Business when they can’t keep it together in other areas? Really?

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