Melinda Gates, miserly billionaire.

From what I have read, Bill and Melinda Gates are generous with their money.  But Melinda Gates is an incredible miser when it comes to gratitude.  She married one of the world’s most successful men, arguably of all time, and spends a great deal of energy talking about how put upon she was by being married to Bill.  From Melinda Gates: Being married to Bill Gates is ‘incredibly hard’ sometimes

It takes patience being married to the second richest man in the world.

One recurring problem was Bill’s struggle to find work-life balance. She recalled being angry with him years ago because the voracious reader was paging through a book about Winston Churchill instead of helping her get their three children ready to go out, or packing up the car.

One of her proudest achievements is spreading her own pettiness to other wives:

This was such an achievement that she mentioned it in her recent book and featured it as she made the rounds plugging the book.  Here is her discussion of this same crowning achievement at CNN Business:  Melinda Gates opens up about finding equality in her marriage with Bill

Complementarians are convinced that the solution to feminist discontentment is for husbands to do more.  If they work harder, do more housework, etc. wives will be content.  This isn’t a Christian perspective, but it is the Modern Christian perspective, and it is pure folly.

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160 Responses to Melinda Gates, miserly billionaire.

  1. William of Orange County says:

    You can be super wealthy. You could be the best looking guy in the world. Have a great personality. All the toys. The nicest guy. And she’ll still ask, “But what have you done for me lately?”

    Isn’t this essentially what the snake asked Eve? “What has God done for you lately?” The rest as they say is history.

  2. pdwalker says:

    Women are never satisfied unless you lead them.

  3. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Bill Gates is an Apex Beta. A super wealthy provider. But an Apex Beta is still a Beta.

  4. The Question says:

    The local Seattle press also covered her remarks framed as “struggles” being married to the richest man in the world. It’s difficult to process the capacity for bitching and whining that comes from modern Western women. Their husband can bring in billions and be a loyal husband and father (to our knowledge), but she will still find something to complain about.

  5. Anon says:

    Imagine being one of the richest men in the world for 30 years now, and nonetheless married to an unattractive harridan, who demands ‘equality’, to the extent of their foundation being called the ‘Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation’ (as though they both contributed equally).

  6. Anon says:

    Michelle Obama, too, used to complain about how marriage was a burden to her. This, despite she being quite possibly the luckiest human being in the world relative to her own merit (i.e. low).

  7. Anonymous Reader says:

    Dalrock:
    Complementarians are convinced that the solution to feminist discontentment is for husbands to do more. If they work harder, do more housework, etc. wives will be content. This isn’t a Christian perspective, but it is the Modern Christian perspective, and it is pure folly.

    Perpetual discontent is part of human nature, along with envy, greed and so forth. Properly controlled and directed a limited amount of discontent can lead to improvement of ones self, ones surroundings, and other people. Unleashed it becomes a “need” that can never be satisfied, like an alcoholics “need” for booze, or a perpetually angry person’s “need” to be offended.

    RPL
    Bill Gates is an Apex Beta. A super wealthy provider. But an Apex Beta is still a Beta.

    Exactly.

    A man must manage expectations. His own and those of his wife. Churches used to assist in this effort, sometime in the last century that mostly stopped, because The Laydees didn’t like it.

    I repeat: this perpetual discontent is part of human nature. It’s something in men and especially women that must be managed and controlled. It’s a feature.

    Miss Jackson will now explain:

  8. sipcode says:

    Prophecy
    Women are angry.
    Women have a perpetual hatred.
    Women are envious.
    Women are filthy.
    Women have idols.
    Women boast that they now govern both women and men.
    Women are blasphemous with boasts against men – ‘they are given us to consume.’
    Women boast against God.
    Women keep expanding their boast against God.
    Women kill their own children, the seed of men, at the time of their calamity.
    All these are so obvious to the world that the world rejoices that God’s people have
    become desolate from this.
    God is furious at this, in His jealousy, because this is as shameful as the heathen.

    Women have devoured men.
    Women have bereaved His people of men.
    Women have caused men to bear the shame of the heathen.
    Women have defiled God’s people by doing things their way.
    Women have profaned His holy name.
    Women have slain men.

    But God is for His people.
    He will till us and plant new seed.
    He will rebuild the waste.
    He will make all better than our beginnings.
    He will do this by multiplying men.
    He will cause men to walk on women.
    He will cause men to possess women.
    He will cause men to possess all of His people.

    Then men will stop being ashamed of women acting as the heathen.
    God is not doing this for His people; He is doing this renewal for His sake, for His
    holy name.

    He will sprinkle clean water on women.
    He will take away the heart of stone in women.
    He will give women a heart of flesh.
    He will give women a new spirit.
    He will cause women to walk in His statutes.
    He will cause women to keep His judgments.
    He will cause women to recall their evil ways.
    He will cause women to loathe themselves.
    He will cause women to be ashamed and confounded for their ways.
    God will till the desolate land; He will increase the harvest; He will restore all like the
    Garden of Eden.
    He will restore the waste cities by increasing them with men.
    He will bring flocks of men for His restoration.

    And there is yet a great valley filled with dry bones; many dry bones.
    These bones are those of the devoured men.
    But God will breath upon these bones that have been slain, with His Word, that they
    may live.
    And there will be a noise and a shaking, and the bones will come together, even
    together with the bone of God.
    These bones will stand to their feet as an exceedingly great army.
    And these bones are the whole of the house of God.

    God will then open the graves of all His people.
    Then He will take His people out from the heathen and make them one nation with one
    King, in their own land.
    And they all will know that He has spoken this and that He has performed this.
    And He will make with them a covenant of peace.
    And He will be their God and they will be His people.

  9. white says:

    The elite always knows which way the wind blows. That’s why they’re the elite

  10. Jim says:

    These fucking cunts still bitch even when they’re privileged to be married to one of the wealthiest men on the planet.

  11. NMR says:

    From the OP “From what I have read, Bill and Melinda Gates are generous with their money.”

    +++

    One shouldn’t underestimate the need for atonement, and the need for self-atonement. I work as an advisor in the UHNW/private banking space, and many secular (atheist, or non-Christian) folks undertake significant charitable giving, that is motivated by a myriad of reasons (tax benefits, legacy building, gaining approval from peers, etc). Very few folks actually give because they genuinely believe in the cause; alot of it simply boils down to virtue signaling, and self-atoning for a misguided sense of guilt from being ultra wealthy. The giving that happens at the billionaire level is mostly of this kind — and although it can broadly be considered “generous” by human standards, it is very often a waste on so many levels — little change is effected in the here and now, and certainly, from an eternal perspective, none of your works can make you right with God.

  12. BillyS says:

    This brings up two thoughts for me:

    – The Beetles’ song “Money Can’t Buy Me Love” has been bouncing in my head for a while. That wasn’t the core problem in my marriage, but it is something this story clearly shows. Women don’t want to provide love today.

    – Many Christian speakers use stories of the man at the end of his life who wishes he spent more time with his family, like the complaints seen here. They fail to note that we don’t read stories of men who complain they didn’t work enough because we would never listen to such men.

    [Ecc 9:15 KJV] 15 Now there was found in it a poor wise man, and he by his wisdom delivered the city; yet no man remembered that same poor man.

  13. A Regular Guy says:

    In Clownworld, the Man’s accomplishments belong to the Wife and the Woman’s accomplishments belong to the Wife.

    In the chyron, Belinda Gates is described as a “philanthropist”. Yes, about philanthropist with her husband’s money.

    When a Man cucks himself like Bill, the 2nd most wealthy person in the world, can you fault her for believing her own hype?

  14. Mr. Woot says:

    Being in tech I have watched Gates for the last 30 years. He is only the not-1st wealthiest because he (she) gives away so much.

    In 1994 when she was complaining about not “getting help” Mr. Gates was worth ~$9.x billion ……and was the richest man at age 38.

    Mr. Gates, despite being ale to hire a full time staff, either did not or would not, and Melinda was unhappy.

    The first sin by a man was “listening to his wife”.

  15. Frank K says:

    Mr. Gates, despite being ale to hire a full time staff, either did not or would not, and Melinda was unhappy.

    I have a hard time believing they don’t have an army of servants and that she keeps the mansion clean herself, prepares the meals, does laundry, etc. For Pete’s sake, I’ve met couples whose net worth is a tiny, tiny fraction of theirs who have servants and nannies.

  16. Lee says:

    Women inherently crave security and will test her husbands resolve. Fail and more rebellion will continue. Women need clear boundaries set with no long drawn out explanations.
    It’s not going to work nor is it attractive when men act like victims of women’s bad behavior. Take care of the situation. On the streets there are many homeless men while there are very few homeless women.
    Nobody is going to listen to male victims.

  17. Opus says:

    It rather puts me in mind of this famous – over here – clip.

  18. Frank K says:

    I also find the notion that she is a “soccer mom” and just loads the kids into the SUV and takes them herself to sports and other activities to be risible. Most likely they have armed bodyguards driving them wherever they have to go, most likely in a caravan, in armored vehicles.

    Like they’re gonna just pull up at a restaurant and mom will take the kids into Red Lobster for lunch by herself or even with Bill.

  19. Lost Patrol says:

    I empathize with Mrs. (Ms.?) Gate’s burdens of unpaid work. It can happen. It’s happened to me in the past and still does. I’m a little confused in her case however given that she appears to have been paid billions of dollars for shouldering her burdens. Oh well, I once heard that the rich are different from you and me, so that may be why I can’t understand.

    When Bill Gates decides to drive a kid to private school for an hour, he just tells everyone at work that’s how it’s going to be and they agree with him. I wonder how it went for the lesser mortals when their wives (with hands on hips!) made them drive the kids to private school because Bill was doing it. Maybe all those guys are CEOs too and so call their own shots. Except for with their wives of course.

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  21. cnystrom62 says:

    Polygamist Warren Buffet. Now there is an alpha billionaire!

  22. John James R says:

    I’m from the area and have heard a few stories. An entire wall of their mansion was fully painted in gold or some such color. Melinda didn’t like it (after choosing it) and just had it all done over in another color. No big deal, I guess. I’ve met a woman who works as one of the Gates’ daughters personal assistants. It’s quite full-time, including moving to wherever the daughter goes. So, yeah, there is staff around for sure. I’d like to know more about Melinda, just to see how incredibly ungrateful Western women are capable of being these days. It’s actually kind of fascinating and it is like premium gasoline for the endless, magical motorcycle journey of MGTOW.

  23. Frank K says:

    I’m a little confused in her case however given that she appears to have been paid billions of dollars for shouldering her burdens.

    I can’t even begin to fathom what it must be like to be that rich. Jay Leno is very small potatoes compared to them and he has over 100 cars, many of them pricey classics. What does she do? Collect mansions? I know Larry Ellison does that, he even has his own golf course in Palm Springs and owns the island Lanai in Hawaii.

    I’m from the area and have heard a few stories. An entire wall of their mansion was fully painted in gold or some such color. Melinda didn’t like it (after choosing it) and just had it all done over in another color. No big deal, I guess.

    Like Forrest Gump said: “We don’t have to worry about money no more.”

    I guess when you don’t have to worry about money or losing your job, you find other things to irritate you,

  24. Art Deco says:

    “We’ve just gotten to a point in life where Bill and I can both laugh about more things. And, believe me, I can remember some days that were so incredibly hard in our marriage where you thought, ‘Can I do this?’”

    The term ‘incredibly hard’ is rather florid. (I think Mrs. Kavanaugh made use of it during their joint interview, referring to something more specific). Is it really necessary to issue a denunciation of her for ‘ [being] an incredible miser when it comes to gratitude’ for a banal act of hyperbole? There’s no indication she’s ‘discontented’ in that statement, just that she has bad days now and again. Which you will. If you think it’s TMI for her to speak that way, that’s a reasonable point, but it’s a different point than the one you’re making.

  25. TheTraveler says:

    This wealthy scold only gets away with being ultra-rich and complaining about her life is because she and her husband are big-time leftists. They are huge supporters of Planned Parenthood and the whole U.N. agenda, including population control (i.e, abortion, contraception, vivisection), to name just a few.

    If someone perceived as rich and “Republican” or “right-wing” talked this way, they’d get torched. While I despise Mitt Romney, I felt sympathy for his wife who rides horses as therapy for an incurable degenrative disease (as do a lot of poor kids on grants). She got pilloried for her “rich man’s hobby.”

    Showered with riches and every earthly thing any human could want, and still unhappy. Happy women don’t make snide remarks about their husbands to the media. Makes you think, doesn’t it?

    P.S. Keep on your current road, lady, and someday–when all that wealth and power and what it can buy can no longer hold back nature — you’ll find out just how BAD things can get, for eternity.

  26. Nick Mgtow says:

    You’d think she would be grateful, and cut him some slack.

  27. locustsplease says:

    Reading a book when he should have been reading her mind! What a bastard!

  28. You’d think she would be grateful, and cut him some slack.

    Grateful? She almost certainly believes that she is no small part responsible for his success. Women like this believe that if they weren’t in their husband’s life “holding things together” he’d never be able to achieve the professional success he did.

  29. TheTraveler says:

    @Il Deplo
    To your point, from the Book of Feminism:
    “Behind every great man stands an even greater woman.”

  30. Art Deco says:

    Grateful? She almost certainly believes that she is no small part responsible for his success.

    He was already a billionaire when she met him. It’s not likely she thinks that in an unqualified way.

  31. Art Deco says:

    Imagine being one of the richest men in the world for 30 years now, and nonetheless married to an unattractive harridan,

    There’s no indication she’s a ‘harridan’ outside your imagination. As for her being ‘unattractive’, she’s 62. You’re not going to look like a supermodel when you’re 62. She does all right.

  32. Darwinian Arminian says:

    Complementarians are convinced that the solution to feminist discontentment is for husbands to do more. If they work harder, do more housework, etc. wives will be content.

    . . . So in other words: The way to “Equality” is for the husband to always be doing more for the wife.

    Remember that news article about the dating site (I think it was OK Cupid ) that revealed that its female members ranked 90% of the men on the site as being “below average”? A lot of people made the observation that this wasn’t even mathematically correct, and the same thing can be said about the new equation favored by both Melinda Gates and the complementarians.

    I’m starting to suspect this is the start of a new trend. We could call it “Feminist Arithmetic.” But wasn’t something like this always inevitable? Barbie did warn us that math class was tough . . .

  33. feeriker says:

    I also find the notion that she is a “soccer mom” and just loads the kids into the SUV and takes them herself to sports and other activities to be risible.

    I can’t imagine what it must be like to be one of the Gates kids. “Psychologically maladjusted” is probably one of the more polite adjectives that applies.

  34. Anonymous Reader says:

    Darwinian Armininan
    Remember that news article about the dating site (I think it was OK Cupid ) that revealed that its female members ranked 90% of the men on the site as being “below average”?

    The study was done about 10 years ago, and It was 80%, not 90%

    https://techcrunch.com/2009/11/18/okcupid-inbox-attractive/

  35. There’s no indication she’s a ‘harridan’ outside your imagination.

    Yeah, there is. The car story is one that I’ve personally seen play out before. Man has no trouble getting the kids into the car. The kids don’t even struggle with mom. Mom acts like she did something heroic instead of banal getting the car packed and kids seated. It’s always women with feminist tendencies or formal commitments.

  36. TheTraveler says:

    @Art Deco
    Why are you white-knighting?

    I know many 60-something women who have “lived in” faces and bodies, who are infinitely more attractive than Melinda Gates. Character shows on one’s face more than ever when one gets old.

    She looks like what she is: a miserable, angry, leftist scold wealthy enough to be a plastic surgery frequent-flyer.

  37. TheTraveler says:

    DALROCK:

    Your website may be under “mobile phone siege.”

    Every time I come to your website on my Android phone, “Congratulations, you’ve won” takes over my browser. I’ve scanned my phone with anti-malware software, and it only happens at your site.

  38. Anon says:

    Art Deco,

    As for her being ‘unattractive’, she’s 62.

    In addition to the embarrassing whiteknighting you are displaying, it took five seconds for me to verify her actual age, which is 54, not 62. That is a significant difference.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melinda_Gates

    So you are both a mangina and a lazy illiterate. I have never had a moment in my life as embarrassing as what you have just inflicted on yourself here.

  39. We should give her credit for sticking with him and not frivorcing him. Gates isn’t just a nerd, he’s a very difficult one which really shows in reading stories about how he was a Jobs-level dick but didn’t have the rest of Jobs’s persona.

  40. Anon says:

    We should give her credit for sticking with him and not frivorcing him.

    He probably does not have any extra-marital affairs, and does not demand much sex from his wife either. People like him tend to have relatively low libidos.

  41. A husband can do all of the dishes, all of the laundry, all of the grocery shopping, all of the lawn work, all of the house cleaning, all of the chauffering of children to school, lessons, all of the bill-paying, all of the vacation planning, PLUS work a 50 hour work week.

    Genuine gratitude from the wife is still unlikely to ever come.

    Why not?
    Because as the man, and as her husband, provider, protector you are ordinary.
    “You are just supposed to”. That’s par for husbands.

    And the other reason is because no matter what you do, provide or create for her reality, she will always want more.

    At the funerals of these fathers and husbands you can actually hear his own wife, and her sisters and brothers, and children – the very beneficiaries of his sacrifices and endeavor – complain and lament that “he wasn’t present” or “he wasn’t there when x happened” or “when I really needed him”.

    A painful, soul-crushing reality for modern day men to contemplate.
    I do not blame men for opting out entirely, for recognizing that making a woman genuinely happy is a pointless undertaking that even billionnaires and movie stars cannot accomplish, for understanding that women are actually not capable of loving men, let alone appreciating them and being grateful for them, except in their absence and because it adversely effects them.

  42. Novaseeker says:

    As for her being ‘unattractive’, she’s 62. You’re not going to look like a supermodel when you’re 62. She does all right.

    She’s 54. I am in my 50s and have many women in my office around me in their 50s. A couple of them, about 1-2 years younger than Melinda, are much more attractive and have nothing close to Melinda’s means. Melinda has not aged well for a woman of her means — meaning she hasn’t cared to do so, likely because of her feminist values.

  43. Hook, line, sinker. Ya think it’s possible that her struggle is a fiction to sell NWO? BG bested IBM and Apple. Not an alpha? That could be like asserting 4d chess master lost his game. Here’s a line from Mark Cuban: “If you don’t know you the sucker in the room is, it’s you.”

  44. Lexet Blog says:

    Let’s be real here. Bill probably spent far less attention to his family than all of us here would, simply due to his position at work.

    Does his wife have legitimate complaints? Probably.

    Normally I wouldn’t agree with airing that out, but she is giving us a snapshot at what it’s like to be married to one of the most powerful men on earth. And it reveals that nature doesn’t change across economic lines.

  45. Spike says:

    Boo hoo, Melinda Gates. You’re married to one of the most hard-working and driven men in the world. He’s done his work and has made himself and by extension, you – rich beyond the dreams of avarice.
    And you STILL aren’t happy and STILL have a reason to complain.

  46. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Reality’ Doug: BG bested IBM and Apple. Not an alpha? That could be like asserting 4d chess master lost his game.

    In the manosphere, the term Alpha is defined as a man who’s sexually attractive to woman. His other virtues or vices are irrelevant to his Alpha status.

    Yes, it’s possible for a billionaire CEO to be a Beta or even a Gamma.

    And there are many illiterate, impoverished thugs who are Alphas.

  47. American says:

    I remember back in the late 1990s that Bill said he was going to donate ALL his money to charity. By 2010, he reneged on his earlier promise and pledged to give away half his money. Interestingly, his net worth continues to rise despite the charitable giving he’s engaged in. He’ll die without fulfilling his new pledge in my opinion. It was just a marketing ploy. As for Melinda French, she has her head far up her agnostic a**.

  48. Roger says:

    She’s exhibit A of an important truth: there are many women who will never ever be satisfied, no matter what. She’s exhibit B of another important truth: there are many women who seem to take personal pride in denigrating their husbands publicly (we saw Michelle Obama do that numerous times). Perhaps they think that somehow boosts their image. At my church, I sometimes hear women nitpick their husbands from the pulpit, adopting a humorous tone so they won’t sound too mean. I’ve never heard a husband do that about his wife, and I’m sure it would be poorly received (by both sexes) if he did. Can you imagine the reaction if Bill made similar public complaints about Melinda? Feminists would be apoplectic. Oh, but I forget: women have no faults, so I’m sure he has no complaints to make (sarc).

  49. AnonS says:

    Just be a top tier charismatic millionaire and your wife will respect you….

    Tom Cruise – nope
    Brad Pitt – nope
    Will Smith – nope

  50. Matamoros says:

    A good article: Reverencing Our Husbands – https://thetransformedwife.com/reverencing-our-husbands/

  51. Novaseeker says:

    Just be a top tier charismatic millionaire and your wife will respect you….

    Tom Cruise – nope
    Brad Pitt – nope
    Will Smith – nope

    Well, of course not.

    Every woman understands that bagging a man like that for marriage in the US, with our marriage laws, is a massive personal accomplishment. It simply inflates her ego — she’s the girl who got “Mr. __” to marry her! It goes to her head. To expect that this would create respect fundamentally misunderstands the marital act — it is an achievement for the woman, it’s a massive “level up” for her, not for the man. This is moreso the case where the man is one of these kinds of guys.

  52. Emperor Constantine says:

    Possibly the most succinct yet accurate description of feminism every.

  53. Frank K says:

    And you STILL aren’t happy and STILL have a reason to complain.

    As for Melinda French, she has her head far up her agnostic a**.

    Perhaps this is the source of their (ultra rich people’s) despair: They, by definition, “have everything”. They’re the “winners”.

    Yet they too get old, sick and infirm, and there is only so much doctors can do. The doctors couldn’t save Steve Jobs, and as billionaires age they can see the Grim Reaper waiting for them, meaning that they are going to lose everything and die just like everyone else (AKA the inferior losers) and believe that oblivion awaits them.

    And as rich as Melinda French might be, she can’t be young again. This has to fry their bacon.

  54. Anon says:

    Topic for future article :

    Boy, 7, beaten to death by lesbian mother for refusing to dress like a girl.

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/333826/

    This is perhaps the first of many such tragedies.

  55. feeriker says:

    I do not blame men for opting out entirely, for recognizing that making a woman genuinely happy is a pointless undertaking that even billionnaires and movie stars cannot accomplish.

    Billionaires and movie stars? Heck, even God Almighty Himself can’t keep women happy. Read the first couple of chapters of Genesis.

  56. Dylan Sexton says:

    Anonymous Reader says:
    June 20, 2019 at 11:56 am

    >I repeat: this perpetual discontent is part of human nature. It’s something in men and especially women that must be managed and controlled. It’s a feature.

    sinful human nature.

  57. emery says:

    “And as rich as Melinda French might be, she can’t be young again. This has to fry their bacon.”

    You are correct, not being youthful and desirable burns their biscuit enough to drink baby blood and put foreskins on their face. However I’m told that women can enjoy youth through the raising of many children; raising a mini-me seems pretty close to being a child again. Something about being redeemed through childbirth .

    They do have 3 kids, pretty good for globalist nation wreckers, and they are going to leave them 10 mil each when they die. I don’t know if that’s good or bad, but intuitively leaving Africans more of your inheritance than flesh and blood sounds bad. Somehow Melinda escaped the ‘having zero kids at all’ part of being evil leaders so I wonder how that affects their beliefs compared to childless Merkel and Theresa May.
    https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/the-real-reason-bill-gates-children-wont-inherit-much-of-his-fortune.html/

  58. Dylan Sexton says:

    Lee says:
    June 20, 2019 at 1:30 pm

    >Women inherently crave security and will test her husbands resolve. Fail and more rebellion will continue. Women need clear boundaries set with no long drawn out explanations.
    It’s not going to work nor is it attractive when men act like victims of women’s bad behavior. Take care of the situation. On the streets there are many homeless men while there are very few homeless women.
    >Nobody is going to listen to male victims.

    You speak as though this is how things should be, and that “taking care of the situation” is in the hands, and thus the fault of, proles like you and I.

  59. American says:

    @Anonymous Reader “this perpetual discontent is part of human nature.”

    ^ this discontent is part of humanity’s FALLEN human nature, but it is NOT part of the new nature creator God implants in Holy Spirit renewed “born again” Christians. The closest correspondence in the new nature would be a discontent at not yet being with God in heaven.

    But perpetually discontent agnostic Melinda is demonstrating that she has not been “born again” and received that new nature to mitigate the old nature’s perpetual discontentedness. Ms French has apparently never embraced the book of John.

  60. Damn Crackers says:

    You don’t emulate Christ by martyring yourself to your wife.

  61. thedeti says:

    Anon:

    Re: Boy, 7, beaten to death for refusing to dress like a girl:

    Click all the way through the links to the article. The original source article contains a “correction” stating that local police state there was no evidence the motive for the murder was the boy’s refusal to cross-dress. The motive remains unknown, according to the correction.

  62. Anon says:

    thedeti,

    OK. Usually Instapundit is reliable about those details, but then I saw it was from a guest blogger.

    Given that the mother is a lesbian and was in fact cross-dressing the boy, the motive is unlikely to be something significantly less creepy/SJW-oriented.

  63. Boy, 7, beaten to death by lesbian mother for refusing to dress like a girl.

    Read the story and the abuse was ongoing and known. The grandmother even tried to get custody and was denied. By then it was an “appeal to Heaven” and take action issue.

    There is no fixing such things through legal means. This is where men have to be men and put an end to the evil even if their kids hate them because of brainwashing.

  64. I do not blame men for opting out entirely, for recognizing that making a woman genuinely happy is a pointless undertaking that even billionnaires and movie stars cannot accomplish.

    You cannot make the other person genuinely happy unless you truly are personally the source of their misery. That applies equally to women being unable to make a discontented man happy.

    Men would be far better off in these situations by just being direct with women and making it clear that they are not a walking happy pill dispenser and won’t take responsibility for ensuring she’s happy with herself. You can try to help someone be happy, but it’s not your responsibility to make it happen. That is a red line all men should draw in the sand with women.

  65. Dylan Sexton says:

    Damn Crackers says:
    June 21, 2019 at 2:03 pm

    >You don’t emulate Christ by martyring yourself to your wife.

    maybe you do, actually. hosea did.

    doesn’t mean you’re obligated to do it.

  66. Dylan Sexton says:

    Il Deplorevolissimo says:
    June 21, 2019 at 3:08 pm

    >You cannot make the other person genuinely happy unless you truly are personally the source of their misery.

    that’s a great point, mate. i never thought of it that way.

  67. TheTraveler says:

    @emery

    Just like Warren Buffet says he’s going to leave 99% of his fortune to [leftist SJW anti-Christian civilization-wrecking] “charities.” Buffet’s kids are all supposedly perfectly happy with this.

    HA!

    Whether it’s Gates or Buffet, or whatever virtue-signaling leftist robber baron — soon after they die, the lawyers will emerge and the kids will go to war over the will.

    You can’t take it with you. And if your descendants have good enough lawyers, you don’t even get to leave it to whom you want.

  68. Mr. Woot says:

    “And as rich as Melinda French might be, she can’t be young again. This has to fry their bacon.”

    The only women I know who do not mind being “old” are grandmothers and great-grandmothers. The children of their children keep their youth. I have never seen my MIL as excited as the week before she goes on a month long cruise and when she visits my son. On the cruise she asks about her grandson.
    And this is from a woman who complains she only has $20k a year to spend on vacations.

  69. Livestreaming now. Christian men MUST get in the chat:

    “THE MONEY CHANGERS (Churches)”
    “The churches have to lead to the feminized side to get paid”
    The Red Pill & Religion – with Conk & Sam Botta https://youtu.be/xlleNQOKHyY via @YouTube

  70. BillyS says:

    Il D,

    Any man who took this into his own hands would quickly find himself in jail (or shot by cops) and the child would be back with the mother.

    Nothing will change until society reforms and I expect that to require a huge upheaval.

  71. Dave says:

    Feminism. The most potent poison that western women have ever drunk. The most deadly virus that western society has ever been afflicted with. The most aggressive cancer that has ever ransacked the brains of western women.
    This woman was ELEVATED to being one of the richest women that ever lived, by virtue of he remarriage to Bill. The least she could do is be VERY grateful that she enjoys such a privilege. She is obviously not the prettiest woman out there. She is not the brightest either.
    Yet, Bill made her the envy of many women. All she could do is complain that the man works too much. What an ingrate!

  72. Anon says:

    No food on the first date!

    https://nypost.com/2019/06/21/a-third-of-women-only-date-men-because-of-the-free-food-study/

    Sneating is definitely a thing. That said, it is really just a blue-pill/cuckservative tax, so I don’t really care since I will never get ensnared in it to any significant degree.

  73. TheTraveler says:

    Referring to some earlier up-the-thread posts, I am sincerely shocked at the nasty, vicious way in which wives of famous men speak of them.

    Boys and young men hear this — how can they not? And then these feminist clucks and their disciples wonder why the young men won’t “man up” and marry whatever carousel rider in their lives is looking for a meal ticket.

  74. BillyS says:

    Rollo’s show had some interesting and correct points when I started listening, but arguing that premarital sex is just wonderful is idiotic. He weasled a bit by saying he wasn’t advocating banging everyone a man could, but why not? What is the difference between 10 and 11? What about 20 and 30? Where does it stop? Why?

    Every man could just stay single and have sex with all the women he wanted according to their flawed theology.

    God made sex to be a bond in marriage. He also set the pattern with Adam and Eve – one man and one woman for life. He allowed other things (including divorce) due to human frailty, but those were never the best.

    His argument that most in the Jewish faith were polygamous ignores what is written and reality. Most men could not be polygamous because that will leave many men without any wife at all. Even war killing off men only reduces the pool so much.

    Note that Bathsheba was the only wife of Uriah, as far as is written, going directly against his claim.

    They are just like teenagers crying “But everyone is doing it!” to justify sin. Idiots.

  75. BillyS says:

    Modern dating/sex culture is very transactional as well. The prostitutes may not stand under an arch, but they do give sex for relationships, food, etc. The article Anon linked is a good example.

  76. BillyS,

    Any man who took this into his own hands would quickly find himself in jail (or shot by cops) and the child would be back with the mother.

    I know someone who had to deal with a similar situation. He gave them a choice to their face when he found out: you can choose to stop, or you can force me to end the abuse. Strange thing happened. He never had to lay a hand on them because they knew he was serious that if they kept severely beating his son he was not lying about the consequences.

  77. Odds are at least 50/50 if he had stopped them, no prosecutor would have touched the case after doing a medical exam on the kid. You want to be the lawyer who has to explain to twelve people why a kid whose back looks almost as blue as one of those aliens from Avatar was left in the abuser’s custody? Even in most blue states, they’d have the risk of having to arrest half of the jury.

    Thankfully, most men will never have to deal with child abuse like this because most women won’t allow it to happen to their kids if they can get their kids away from it. The percentage of women willing to stay with an alpha who is kicking the shit out of their kid is not nearly as high as most MGTOW whingers want to believe.

  78. Sneating is definitely a thing. That said, it is really just a blue-pill/cuckservative tax, so I don’t really care since I will never get ensnared in it to any significant degree.

    Solution: take her to Starbucks and buy her something with no whip cream or sugar. If she is willing to sip that and talk to you, you know she’s not sneating and potentially really into you.

  79. Dylan Sexton says:

    Il Deplorevolissimo says:
    June 21, 2019 at 6:41 pm
    >The percentage of women willing to stay with an alpha who is kicking the shit out of their kid is not nearly as high as most MGTOW whingers want to believe.

    what percent figures have the majority of mgtow produced for you on this issue you deem to be of great import?

  80. @Dylan

    According to most MGTOW, being involved with a woman is like playing Russian Roulette with 5 rounds and a blank in the revolver.

  81. John James R. says:

    Women can talk about it, blog about it and openly announce that they sneat. Women’s mags likely advocate it.

    Let’s see what happens when a man does nearly the same thing. 13 years in jail.

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/gy37j4/los-angeles-dine-and-dash-dater-arrested-vgtrn

    –The concept of imputed income in our “free country”
    –Brad Pitt, Bill Gates etc being bitched about or divorced.
    –Female sneaters as heroes, a male sneater put behind bars.

    What else does a young man need to see?

  82. John James R. says:

    Il Deplorevisimo,

    So you’ve not only met hundreds of MGTOW but they’ve also shared with you their beliefs on what percentage of women will stay with an alpha who is abusing their child? That’s some REALLY in-depth, detailed knowledge. Do they come up to you on the street and announce it to your face unbidden?

    “Hey stranger, I think 78% of women will stay with an abusive alpha. Have a nice day stranger.”

  83. Dylan Sexton says:

    Il Deplorevolissimo says:
    June 21, 2019 at 8:41 pm

    >According to most MGTOW, being involved with a woman is like playing Russian Roulette with 5 rounds and a blank in the revolver.

    83% then? that’s pretty close to the actual figure for % divorces initiated by women. It’s also not what you said. You said “most” mgtows give a fantastical % chance women will stay with alphas who abuse their children. What astronomical figure have you gotten on this very specific and mostly mgtow irrelevant issue from “most” mgtows?

  84. Anon says:

    Il Deploro said,

    >According to most MGTOW, being involved with a woman is like playing Russian Roulette with 5 rounds and a blank in the revolver.

    You have also said, very recently, that a PUA who impregnates more than one woman out of wedlock should be violently executed by state capital punishment mandate.

    This seems to contradict your view that MGTOW are problematic for not romancing women to the extent you approve of.

    The only constant in your opinions is that men should have no choice but to be beasts of burden, enslaved to the women via government contract, with no option to not sign up for an arrangement that is horrendously rigged against them. How is this anything but a TradCon cuckservative position?

    Also note that MGTOWs and PUAs are not fully mutually exclusive groups. A PUA who burns out may go MGTOW for a few years, and then resume PUA again after he gets bored.

  85. Anonymous Reader says:

    Off the topic: a long and in depth discussion of Sam Allberry and the stealth campaign to normalize homosexuality in the SBC and PCA. I cannot assess the accuracy, however parts of this article match up with others that Dalrock has already discussed.

    https://thirtypiecesofsilver.org/2019/06/10/the-tempest-in-sam-allberrys-teapotmuch-ado-about-not-talking-revoice-2019/

    A number of familiar names show up, including Tim and Kathy Keller.

  86. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Regarding Gates and Buffet leaving their fortune to charity rather than to their children, this seems to be a white gentile thing. The founder of the Rothschild banking dynasty required all his sons to marry cousins, so as to keep the money in the family.

  87. BillyS says:

    It does not always turn out that way Il D, as you know if you have read the stories in the comments here. He may be preemptively jailed for such threats and lose quite a bit. He may succeed in killing the mother/abuser, but then find himself in jail for life (at best) and know the child/children are now in the very dangerous foster care system.

    Keep thinking that is a great way out for most. It isn’t, but I am sure I will never convince you of the reality of how it works on the streets.

    Ironically someone who was more dangerous already might get away with more (a bad boy), but many of us are not like that and doing this really goes against the grain as well. Your solution is nothing more than “man up” as I noted before.

  88. BillyS says:

    According to most MGTOW, being involved with a woman is like playing Russian Roulette with 5 rounds and a blank in the revolver.

    It is probably closer to that than you would ever admit, but would it be a good deal if it was 3 rounds and 3 blanks? What about 1 round and 5 blanks?

    Neither are good risks and society must change before it becomes something to shove on the unwitting fools who pay the price.

    Your white knight nature is being exposed.

  89. feeriker says:

    ^ this discontent is part of humanity’s FALLEN human nature, but it is NOT part of the new nature creator God implants in Holy Spirit renewed “born again” Christians. The closest correspondence in the new nature would be a discontent at not yet being with God in heaven.

    But perpetually discontent agnostic Melinda is demonstrating that she has not been “born again” and received that new nature to mitigate the old nature’s perpetual discontentedness. Ms French has apparently never embraced the book of John.

    The fact that so many (a majority of?) self-described “Christian” women are just as chronically and nastily discontent as non-believing women tells us all we need to know about whhat the percentages are for the truly “born again.”

  90. feeriker says:

    Solution: take her to Starbucks and buy her something with no whip cream or sugar. If she is willing to sip that and talk to you, you know she’s not sneating and potentially really into you.

    It’s really even simpler than that. If you want to test for whether or not establishing a personal connection is her point in meeting you, invite her to sit with you on a bench in a public park, or some similar location. Don’t even involve food or beverages at all on a first date.

    Men really need to start taking vetting/fitness testing to the next level in ALL phases of the “mate acquisition” process. It’s the only way that it’s even remotely possible to keep gold-digging slores away. Be prepared to do a lot of “nexting.” Most women are transactional, so the likelihood of them passing the aforementioned shit test is remote.

  91. Your white knight nature is being exposed.

    Were I on a jury of an alpha thug on trial for knocking around his thot, I would probably vote to nullify on principle. Go ahead, tell me how much of a white knight I am.

    Ironically someone who was more dangerous already might get away with more (a bad boy), but many of us are not like that and doing this really goes against the grain as well. Your solution is nothing more than “man up” as I noted before.

    You wonder why many women find a lot of men beyond contemptible today, and you say things like this. What woman in her right mind would ever want to bear children for a man who says “but but it’s against my grain” to risk his life and freedom to ensure his children are not the victims of felonious violence or rape? Yes, man the fuck up and be more Lion of Judah and less Lamb in that case.

    That’s all I have to say on this because this started with a tangent from a link up thread.

  92. Rex says:

    Il Deplorevolissimo says:
    June 20, 2019 at 9:27 pm

    “Gates isn’t just a nerd, he’s a very difficult one which really shows in reading stories about how he was a Jobs-level dick but didn’t have the rest of Jobs’s persona.”

    Maybe at work, but it doesn’t appear to have been the case at home.

    —-

    Re: Melinda

    “He was used to being number one.”

    Can you hear the resentment in her voice when she says that? She wanted to take him down several pegs.

    “I was clear from the get-go that I wanted to have equality.”

    Bitch, when you start bringing home your equal share of the billions maybe you can start talking. Until then shut your piehole and make sure the kids are at school on time. Time to fire all the hired help around the mansion – well, all except for the groundskeepers.

    Having that extra time with her kids while driving them to school was evidently too burdensome. What mother would want to have more time with her kids? The absolute horror. Why did she even bother having any? “She left Microsoft to focus on starting and raising her family” according to Wikipedia. I don’t think she understands just how that is supposed to work.

    No wonder Bill looked and acted so pissy back in the day. Also no wonder Microsoft products had so many bugs in them.

  93. Hmm says:

    @AR:

    I am headed to the PCA General Assembly next week, so we’ll see just how deep the rot goes.

    A lot of it comes from Calvinism and Reformed Theology being “cool” a decade or so ago (“Calvin is my homeboy” T-shirts, anyone?), and the guys attracted to it at that time wanting to remain among the cool kids.

  94. jg1 says:

    What do you think of this guys? Do you think there will be men lining up to marry women like this!

  95. Testi says:

    Or you could pick her up in a public place
    Take her to the local shop, buy snacks you like
    Then take her to your place, cuddle up and snack
    Then bow chicka wow wow

  96. @jg1

    How will I find someone who I can respect and submit to?

    Taken at face value, that’s a decently red pill question for a woman. Instead of mocking her, you should feel sympathy for her because wealth can be quite a burden for unmarried women.

  97. Sven says:

    Cant she afford some help?

  98. Anonymous Reader says:

    @Hmm
    I am headed to the PCA General Assembly next week, so we’ll see just how deep the rot goes.

    Should be interesting. These two items are from your denomination, I believe. The first one has Keller fingerprints all over it.

    https://www.theaquilareport.com/metro-new-york-presbytery-overtures-47th-pca-ga-to-allow-women-to-be-ordained-as-deacons/

    https://www.theaquilareport.com/responding-to-revoice-the-case-for-overture-28-at-the-pca-general-assembly-part-one/

  99. Frank K says:

    Cant she afford some help?

    As I mentioned above, it’s virtually certain that they have many servants. I doubt she’s ever had to wash a dish, do the laundry or any domestic chore that the unwashed do every day since she married Dollar Bill. Plus their home must be crawling with armed body guards. The whole idea that she has to get the car ready by herself is risible. She probably hasn’t driven a car in years and is not only chauffeured but probably has body guards with her in the car. No one who is that wealthy can just go out and about like we do.

    She just wants something to complain about, and since she can’t complain about money (I wanted to buy Lanai but Bill procrastinated and now that creep Larry Ellison beat me to it!) she had to complain about something that non billionaire women could theoretically relate to (he doesn’t help around the house!)

  100. Frank K says:

    Should be interesting. These two items are from your denomination, I believe. The first one has Keller fingerprints all over it.

    https://www.theaquilareport.com/metro-new-york-presbytery-overtures-47th-pca-ga-to-allow-women-to-be-ordained-as-deacons/

    Are deacons “ordained” in the various Presbyterian Churches? It my understanding that unlike in the RCC and the Orthodox churches, that deacons are not clergy, but rather are lay people.

  101. Anon says:

    FrankK,

    The whole idea that she has to get the car ready by herself is risible. She probably hasn’t driven a car in years and is not only chauffeured but probably has body guards with her in the car. No one who is that wealthy can just go out and about like we do.

    It is very easy to imagine the conversations they have, based on prior Dalrock articles about how women absolutely demand the man do the housework himself no matter how needless or how easily they could afford to hire someone.

    Bill keeps saying ‘We already have 50 employees to do these things’, yet Melinda demands that Bill do some aspect of housework himself. She will never accept any alternative be presents, no matter how logical, and no matter how much legitimately important work he has to do in the outside world. He keeps offering to hire more people, she keeps saying that won’t cut it, and he never grasps why this ‘the man must do some menial work’ power trip is so galactically important to her. Note that him doing the work quickly will not satisfy her – he has to appear like it look a lot of time, and was very laborious.

  102. Jim says:

    Boy, 7, beaten to death by lesbian mother for refusing to dress like a girl.

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/333826/

    Cunts are gonna cunt.

  103. Joe says:

    feeriker says:
    June 22, 2019 at 1:30 am
    Solution: take her to Starbucks and buy her something with no whip cream or sugar. If she is willing to sip that and talk to you, you know she’s not sneating and potentially really into you.

    It’s really even simpler than that. If you want to test for whether or not establishing a personal connection is her point in meeting you, invite her to sit with you on a bench in a public park, or some similar location. Don’t even involve food or beverages at all on a first date.

    Men really need to start taking vetting/fitness testing to the next level in ALL phases of the “mate acquisition” process. It’s the only way that it’s even remotely possible to keep gold-digging slores away. Be prepared to do a lot of “nexting.” Most women are transactional, so the likelihood of them passing the aforementioned shit test is remote.
    ******************************
    My wife and I first date: her coming to my house to help me paint.

    Which was her idea.

  104. Lost Patrol says:

    Off Topic but Clown World related. People get paid for this. Somebody (hopefully a woman) may get an achievement medal for this initiative.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/06/leaked-us-air-force-briefing-discusses-4chan-and-the-threat-of-incels/

  105. feeriker says:

    Lost Patrol says:
    June 22, 2019 at 5:56 pm

    I saw this yesterday. My first thought, right after seeing the title, was “Somebody PLEASE tell me that this came out of The Onion!” Apparently not.

    And this body thinks that it can fight a war against a non-pozzed enemy and win.

    We are thoroughly screwed.

  106. Jacob says:

    What Do Women Want?

    Take away the first two words and the question hints at the answer. Feminist Betty Friedan called it the Problem With No Name.

    Discontent.

    It spreads like yeast in bread.

    Men cannot save women from their discontent. Only Jesus can.

    Chivalry and Cuckery only make it worse. They introduce a scapegoat from the physical realm into what is essentially a spiritual problem.

    It’s worth repeating. Men cannot save women from discontent. Only Jesus can.

    Solution for Christian men: Serve God in every way you feel you can and should. If you want to marry, do this around Christian women. The suitable ones are those who make themselves known to you while you’re serving God. Kindly reject every discontented woman. The right woman is the one you marry who is content in the Lord.

    Very few women are serious about being a Christian wife. Christian marriage is rare. Marriage is hard work, for a husband as God holds him responsible. Marry if you absolutely must, not just because you think you should or are afraid of growing old alone. A Christian is never alone.

    Women’s discontent is a spiritual disease that affects everything, from side to side and top to bottom. It will nag out your heart, siphon out your strength and embitter your soul. Fight for your life to avoid it. If you desire marriage to a discontented woman, punch yourself in the face until you stop.

  107. feeriker says:

    It’s worth repeating. Men cannot save women from discontent. Only Jesus can.

    Indeed, and that leads to a repetition, in question form, of what I posted upthread: if most “Christian” women are as discontented as their non-Christian counterparts, how many of them truly have Jesus in their hearts?

    Very few women are serious about being a Christian wife.

    The word “wife” in that sentence is superfluous.

  108. eric says:

    In olden times vain arrogant wives were disciplined

  109. Anonymous Reader says:

    Jacob
    What Do Women Want?
    Take away the first two words and the question hints at the answer. Feminist Betty Friedan called it the Problem With No Name.

    Well, since you mentioned it….

    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2011/05/02/the-problem-that-has-no-name/

  110. Frank K says:

    And this body thinks that it can fight a war against a non-pozzed enemy and win.

    Yup, these idiots think that we can successfully invade Russia, and I fear that once they regain control they will try to do that.

  111. BillyS says:

    ID,

    What woman in her right mind would ever want to bear children for a man who says “but but it’s against my grain” to risk his life and freedom to ensure his children are not the victims of felonious violence or rape?

    You just moved the goalposts!

    Regaining custody from an exwife who has railroaded you is not as easy as your fictional story that may have come true for one man.

    I might believe you more when you started acting on the convictions you post here. All men are simply not alpha enough for me. I am not into murder and never will be.

  112. BillyS says:

    And you also ignored the fact that taking the action you propose would not put the child(ren) in a sane situation, since he would be in jail and motherless, thus going into the quite corrupt foster care system.

  113. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Frank K: she had to complain about something that non billionaire women could theoretically relate to (he doesn’t help around the house!)

    Perhaps Melinda is tried of always having to order about the servants. Why can’t Bill give some orders to the servants once in a while?

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  115. Marquess of The Answer is 'D' says:

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  116. I might believe you more when you started acting on the convictions you post here. All men are simply not alpha enough for me. I am not into murder and never will be.

    I don’t know, and don’t really care to know, what you think my convictions are. You have clearly established that you would stand by with your dick between your legs if the system allowed your ex-wife and/or her boyfriend to beat or rape your child. That is something beyond “man up.” You aren’t even a man period if you hide behind “I am not into murder” as an excuse to allow your child to be savagely beaten or worse.

  117. Regaining custody from an exwife who has railroaded you is not as easy as your fictional story that may have come true for one man.

    I didn’t say he regained custody, I said he stopped the abuse. And no, he didn’t get in trouble with the law because they weren’t stupid enough to call the police since the kid probably still had bruises consistent with a beating.

  118. TheTraveler says:

    Il Dep
    Props for your stance: “don’t just stand there complaining, do something, or nothing will change.”

    The enemy excels at collective action, large AND small, to build seemingly-impregnable positions. We need to do the same.

  119. Nick Mgtow says:

    What do women want?

  120. Hmm says:

    On the PCA and deacons,

    The PCA ordains lay men as deacons and ruling elders. There’s a different ordination for men who are teaching elders (pastors). Deacons and ruling elders do not need seminary like pastors do, but they do need to meet the Biblical qualifications in Timothy and Titus. For myself, I had to go through about 9 months training in the Bible, theology and the PCA’s constitution and Book of Church Order, led by my pastor, before I could be ordained. That was about 10 years ago.

    Almost every year at General Assembly, one presbytery or another petitions that women be allowed to be ordained as deacons. This is shot down each time, but the margins seem to be getting smaller and smaller. There are a few churches that have vowed to not ordain any deacons until women can be ordained – TKNY’s (Tim Keller’s) church is one of these I believe. I understand that the overture that AR mentioned above about women deacons has been withdrawn and won’t be considered this year. Problem is, General Assembly can’t act decisively and forever on this, because the constitution allows any presbytery to petition for amendment to its Book of Church Order. The only part of our founding documents that can’t be amended is that individual churches own their own property.

  121. @TheTraveler

    The enemy excels at collective action, large AND small, to build seemingly-impregnable positions. We need to do the same.

    The enemy also wants men to be whingers who sit around like emo kids and cry in the dark when evil happens to them. It goes without saying that injustice is rampant, but you don’t fight injustice by sitting in the dark and crying. You fight it by surviving then trying to thrive and then hopefully doing things that undermine or bring down those doing it.

  122. Heidi says:

    Here’s a <a href="horrible, mean husband who gave his wife what she asked for; she wanted him to do more housework, so he quit his job and now cooks, cleans, and takes care of the kids and apparently enjoys it. The jerk! My favorite quote:

    “I had to put my goals on hold to birth, raise them, and do all the demanding work with feeding, diapers, and potty training. But now he gets to do all the things I wanted to do as a mother. I don’t even know how to approach this because he’s doing what I demanded, even if it wasn’t what I intended.”

    The commenters, of course, rush to the defense of the poor, put-upon LW who so rightfully resents her husband’s doing what she asked.

  123. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Mother kills son in game of “chicken”: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mother-playing-chicken-her-kids-fatally-strikes-son-suv-officials-n1020791

    A Houston woman who was driving a sport utility vehicle toward her children in an apparent game of “chicken” struck and killed her 3-year-old son, authorities said.

    Lexus Stagg, 26, was arrested and charged with criminally negligent homicide in the boy’s June 11 death, Harris County prosecutors said in a statement Friday.

    “Cars aren’t toys and playing chicken with your kids isn’t a game,” Harris County District Attorney Kim Ogg said in the statement.

    Stagg can be seen on surveillance video reversing a white Lincoln Navigator in an apartment complex parking lot as her three small children run toward the vehicle, prosecutors said. When the kids are just feet from the SUV, it moves forward, trapping the 3-year-old under the right front tire.

    Authorities said Stagg continued to drive forward and ran the boy over again with the right rear tire of the SUV, which weighs approximately 5,600 pounds.

    He was taken to the hospital by ambulance but later died.

    Stagg initially told police she thought she hit a speed bump when she was going in reverse.

    She was arrested Thursday and appeared in probable cause court Friday morning. Prosecutors requested she be held on $50,000 bail. It was set by the magistrate at $1,500.

    It is unclear whether Stagg has an attorney.

    “You should be playing Peek-A-Boo with a 3-year-old instead of forcing him to try and dodge a 5,600 pound deadly weapon,” Sean Teare, chief of the district attorney’s vehicular crimes division that is prosecuting the case, said in the statement.

    Stagg faces up to 10 years in prison if convicted.

    Article makes no mention of a father.

    Mom had three kids (now two) so there are possibly up to three fathers.

  124. Anonymous Reader says:

    Bridezilla was contacted for comment but her screeching belch of fire could not be understood.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-21/trade-war-nightmare-could-destroy-american-bridal-grown-industry

  125. BillyS says:

    ID,

    Sit on your high horse. You do not know me at all. Part of the reason I am divorced now is that I stood for righteousness. My exwife used that as an excuse that I was horrible, but twisting what I said to gain the church support so she could bail on the marriage with no guilt. (My kids were grown at the time.)

    I have not faced that situation, but I raised several very wacked out kids that came from the system and had to constantly fight the system to help them have a chance to become good parts of society. You are completely ignorant of me yet you have decided you can proclaim that I am man enough.

    Perhaps not. I didn’t start threatening the social workers who wanted to break up my family, but I still persevered the best I could. Get back to me when you have more skin in the game.

  126. BillyS,

    Your life and situation have no connection to what I was discussing with you. Good for you for doing what you said you did. It doesn’t change the principle point of disagreement here. I maintain that if your child is being held by a sociopath who is committing felony violence and the state is aware and indifferent, you are morally obligated to take immediate corrective action to save your child. Until modern times this was called “common sense fatherhood.” Unless a man is a total moron in how he does it, he has probably at least a coin toss of creating a case that no prosecutor is going to want to touch lest it risk becoming a career-limiting scandal.

  127. BillyS says:

    Why did the man just use threats rather than just taking action, as you said all must do?

    Sociopaths are going to do things, threats or not. Just threatening action does not stop that.

    This is why you are foolish. You have likely never faced something serious (unless you really were the guy you mentioned) and likely know little. You are just like someone crying out for others to go to war while staying at home in your own house.

    Traveler,

    Taking action is fine. Lambasting others for not doing so while sitting comfortably behind a computer monitor is not.

  128. Lost Patrol says:

    Bridezilla was contacted for comment but her screeching belch of fire could not be understood.

    The demise of wedding.$.inc alone might be worth a trade war.

  129. BillyS says:

    And ID, you were the one who said I was not a man if I would not be foolish and not consider the consequences. You never dealt with those consequences, just questioned my manhood.

    Fine to do that if it makes you happy, but it is idiotic.

  130. Why did the man just use threats rather than just taking action, as you said all must do?

    Threats are a form of action, particularly if you intend to act upon them and the other person can read that from your body language.

  131. @BillyS

    And ID, you were the one who said I was not a man if I would not be foolish and not consider the consequences

    Wrong. I said you are not a man if you won’t put aside your freedom and life to save your child from being severely beaten or raped. It’s normal for a man to fear the consequences. It’s another thing for a man to let the consequences hold him back from stopping his child from suffering grave evil at the hands of another when the authorities won’t intervene. You keep downplaying what the central point was.

  132. Anonymous Reader says:

    Il Deplorevissimo, one question:

    Is your chair nice and comfortable?

  133. TheTraveler says:

    Il Dep
    Seems you’ve gotten caught in the kind of food fight that’s so common around here.

    Someone makes an assertion about how a man is supposed to act, or object to something you think is wrong. Cue Peanut Gallery with its often-savage mud-slinging.

    The Left doesn’t behave this way. They unite and fight, no matter how cowardly, contemptible, or otherwise odious the speaker is. Reminds me of the people in the USSR: “Oh, we would have done something, but we were so AFRAID.”

  134. Nick Mgtow says:

    RedPillLatecomer

    RPL, black boys are the biggest victims of domestic violence. It’s not women the biggest victims of domestic violence, but boys of single mothers.

    And black women are the most likely to beat their boys, kill them.

    Because a boy costs resources in food and care, is noisy, runs; that b**** said they were playing chicken…

    Negligent homicide? That’s a murder! She killed her boy!

    Lexus Stagg, 26, was arrested and charged with criminally negligent homicide […] She was arrested Thursday and appeared in probable cause court Friday morning. Prosecutors requested she be held on $50,000 bail. It was set by the magistrate at $1,500.

    1500$ Those magistrates are accomplices!

  135. Someone makes an assertion about how a man is supposed to act, or object to something you think is wrong. Cue Peanut Gallery with its often-savage mud-slinging.

    I understand the pain of many men in the manosphere. I was caught in the crossfire of my parents’ divorce. What I find unacceptable is the defeatism. A man should respect himself enough to say that he is not going to let his bitch ex-wife live rent free in his head on top of having to pay alimony.

  136. Scott says:

    Hope everyone had a great weekend.

    https://ljubomirfarms.wordpress.com/2019/06/24/94-7-3l-idi-f250-is-the-new-ljubomir-one/

    Remember, don’t panic. There is still a bunch of fun to be had.

  137. Luke says:

    OT but IMO likely of much interest to Dalrock:

    Article with loads of current macro information on marriage in the U.S. (do check out the comments as well):

    http://www.unz.com/anepigone/the-40-year-old-incel/

  138. drifter says:

    Heck, even God Almighty Himself can’t keep women happy.
    Q. E. to the D.!

  139. vandicus says:

    Threats and willingness to back them up don’t mean a whole lot generally, they are unpersuasive. Making an action costly by adding consequences does not work on emotional or instinctual thinkers. Doing cost benefit analysis before acting is almost exclusive to a subset of men.

    A lot of people don’t even have an internal locus of control(women in particular). Things just happen. The knife went in.

  140. BillyS says:

    I get irked when someone who has never personally put anything on the line tells me what I must do to be “a man” (whatever he or she means by that). I have gone through far more of the wringer than any of those, even though my stories are relatively mild in comparison to the worst problems.

    You cannot prevent abuse by threats. We would have no abuse today if you could because the law already threatens abusers very strongly.

    I despise CPS, but why not call them if the marks are there to show abuse? They act far too quickly when the abuse is not there. I have shared a lot here, but I have not shared it all.

    How many of you armchair advice givers have been sent to jail (without any specific charges I found out later) on a weekend you were on call for a job and only survived because you happened to have money in an ATM (and remembered the PIN) and could use one that only allowed a certain amount out each time with a horrid surcharge to avoid a night or more in jail?

    I am not talking about jail because you did something horrid, but jail because the system disputed your efforts to protect your children.

  141. BillyS says:

    Vandicus,

    Doing cost benefit analysis before acting is almost exclusive to a subset of men.

    You are right about that. My son is the opposite of me in that area and would probably kill the person who he thought was abusing his child. Not the best approach, but that comes from the birth family and I got to deal with raising several from that background. Instilling some thinking was a very difficult process and I only somewhat succeeded.

  142. I despise CPS, but why not call them if the marks are there to show abuse? They act far too quickly when the abuse is not there. I have shared a lot here, but I have not shared it all.

    CPS seems to operate from two poles: extreme overreaction and extreme underreaction. For every case where a parent was stormtroopered for slightly raising their voice, there’s a case of CPS turning a blind eye toward accusations and charges until it’s too late. You mentioned the foster system. Why do you think a lot of pedos get away with working in it? Because CPS often seems to find it easy to blame the child as a liar than ask why there’s been a string of accusations from different kids.

    You cannot prevent abuse by threats.

    Just like you cannot win over women with charisma…

  143. I get irked when someone who has never personally put anything on the line tells me what I must do to be “a man” (whatever he or she means by that). I have gone through far more of the wringer than any of those, even though my stories are relatively mild in comparison to the worst problems.

    You got triggered by a general discussion of masculine response that only became about you as you made it more about you.

  144. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    CPS seems to operate from two poles: extreme overreaction and extreme underreaction.

    I heard that social workers dislike going to dangerous neighborhoods or dealing with violent people. They prefer to go where they feel physically safe. So they’ll often ignore reports from ghettos, and focus on reports in nice middle class areas.

    This might partially be because many social workers are women.

    It’s also easy for social workers to cherry pick among reports because they have large caseloads, such that no one seriously expects them to devote adequete time to every case. They have discretion.

  145. BillyS says:

    Just like you cannot win over women with charisma…

    Most men can’t, but did you read all of what I wrote? Threats are already in place and widely ignored.

    Ironically, it is the nasty parents that get away with things. Those trying to do a good job get nailed far too frequently.

  146. Those trying to do a good job get nailed far too frequently.

    CPS should simply be abolished because it is like law enforcement, without police training, run by zealous women. In terms of their role in policing society, they are a chickenshit version of mutaween.

  147. Strike Three says:

    FYI for BillyS and Il Deplore; after reading this thread of comments I have resolved from henceforth to skip every single one of your comments. Y’all wore me out.

  148. Hugh Mann says:

    Frank K – “She probably hasn’t driven a car in years and is not only chauffeured but probably has body guards with her in the car.”

    In which case she can at least get credit for resisting temptation. It must be an odd thing to be married to a wealthy guy but to realise that his hired helps can defend you and the kids where he couldn’t – are more masculine in the most primal sense.

    (on the other hand, she is 54, and the bodyguards are presumably very well paid. Maybe it’s they who are resisting. But I bet plenty of bodyguards over the years have been involved in “inappropriate relationships” with the wives of clients)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Mannakee

  149. Nick Mgtow says:
  150. Otto says:

    @Nick Mgtow,

    Chelsa Handler. the woman who laughed as some guy pissed on her. Who knows what else she has done. What a catch.

  151. Otto says:

    @Nick Mgtow,

    Chelsa Handler. the woman who laughed as some guy pissed on her. Who knows what else she has done. What a catch.

  152. Just image what she’s saving for you. Why it’s probably still illegal in 50 states and DC!

  153. Nick Mgtow says:

    Otto, the music and Dave Chappelle skit song compiled were hilarious 😂

  154. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    The New Orleans Police Dept is issuing special LGBT Pride Police Badges for their officers to wear during Pride Month (aka June): https://nopdnews.com/post/june-2019/nopd-debuts-special-badge-to-celebrate-pride-month/

    In honor of Pride Month, the NOPD has made available to its officers a special badge bearing the multi-colored Pride symbol.

    The badge is available for officers to wear during the month of June, recognized as Pride Month, as well as during the city’s annual Decadence Festival in September.

    “These special badges represent the NOPD’s commitment to diversity and to working with everyone in our community – including our LGBTQ+ members and allies – to make New Orleans the greatest city in the world,” NOPD Superintendent Shaun Ferguson said. “New Orleans is a city rich in diversity – be it in our people, our food, our music or our culture. We love, respect and celebrate that diversity, which is also reflected within our own ranks.

    “These special badges are a reflection of that love, respect and celebration.”

    I don’t know how to embed images. Maybe someone could embed the image of the Pride Police Badge.

    This also reminds me of the gay, black-stick wearing, police officers in Anthony Burgess’s The Wanting Seed.

  155. Frank K says:

    It is breathtaking to see how quickly American civilization is swirling down the toilet bowl. I’m sure that it won’t be long before cops with special badges that identify them as proud pedophiles seize children, accusing their parents of “abuse”.

  156. Anon says:

    I saw her speak at a function and she came across rather poorly, quite arrogant.

    She hammered away at #MeToo and #TimesUp. Interesting how no one in the audience, or even herself given how intelligence she supposedly, noted that she is only where she is because she DID date the boss, a practice verboten under these policies.

    Similar to the billionaires who campaign for new laws to make the rich should pay more yet never give up their deductions or just write a check to the Treasury, it’s not about what is right but instead pulling up the ladder to shield others from mimicking their success.

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