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The critical shortage of fried ice worsens. Women most affected!
The money quote:
Anna Hitchings: “We should be doing all we can to help steer men in the right direction and find truth and meaning in their lives”
Nowhere in her article is the slightest hint of awareness that the problem might not be men, but the modern church – or even in her behavior. She just knows, as do most women today, that the problem is *men.*
I’ve heard that the chief personal virtue ascribed to Moses was humility. No sign of that in Ms. Hitchings.
A sense of entitlement, a feeling of superiority to men, a desire to “steer them” — bringing all that baggage on dates might contribute to her still being single.
Nor does Rod Dreher, as a pleasant conservative, ask her any disturbing questions. His interview is “just how wonderful are you” and “how sad that there are so few men deserving of your awesomeness.”
No one is asking the right question, no one.
Instead of asking where have all the good Christian men gone, the question that should be asked is of Christian women: ladies, what are the qualities and traits that you are looking for in a good Christian man that you would be willing to marry the instant he asked? No one is asking that question because to ask that question is to place some accountability on the part of the female to properly “define” what “good” is. And they don’t want to do that. To define that list takes away some of their “power” because it diminishes the “mystery” and the “chase.” That is anti-feminist and is a non-starter. But worse than that, to define that list of what makes a Christian man a “good” Christian man, it allows someone else to come along and analyze that list and tell Anna Hitchings that maybe she is not deserving of all that she is asking. That is also anti-feminist and (therefore) a non-starter.
I agree she is not finding a good Christian man. But no one is challenging Anna with the real hard questions. In feminism, only men are allowed to be challenged.
We’re past the point of no return similar to the situation of Judges 2:6-10. We have had too many generations that wanted strong, independent daughters who made powerpoints and who romanticized the free lovin’ to be found in the backseat of a Buick when mom and dad weren’t looking.
A 32-year-old single girl has nothing to offer a marriage-minded man of that same age. He’s already learned how to live without her, and she cannot offer him children. Further, she’ll have all the manners of an outside cat brought indoors – and she’ll have been reinforced in the belief that, because of magic girl powers, her aberrant quirks are normative behaviors. She simply can’t be trained to be a wife. A 25-35 year-old, marriage-minded, Christian single man would rather scoop up a 22-25 year-old Christian girl whose parents actually want her to be a good Christian mother instead of secular “happy” – and she’ll be willing to learn how to be a wife, not assume that wifedom involves Netflix and wine in dirty clothes for eternity.
I’ve talked to enough parents of teenage girls who claim to be Bible believers, but also trust in God only so much as He will get their daughter into a prestigious school so she can be a 9-5 slave to the suit-and-tie, have her fun, and then marry in her 30s, that I concluded it had to be inter-generational damage beyond fixing. There is insufficient critical mass left for having two kids at their reproductive peaks whose parents consider them to be good matches get married, love each other, build a household, and have kids with the support of the extended family. You can do it in a remnant that dares to be distinct, but it can’t be fixed across US, Australian, or any western culture.
Wife-ing is like cooking or sewing: they don’t know how to do it, they don’t have anyone who can teach it, their parents tell them it is not worth pursuing, and the consumer culture will provide cheaper alternatives.
She’ll be wondering for another 20 years why she isn’t married – all the while thinking she’s still a “great catch” with Mr. Crunchy Con himself suggesting that somebody needs to man up and marry her right after Charlize Theron is fully satisfied.
The other important element missing from Anna Hitchings’ article: any awareness that she could change her attitudes and behavior to increase her odds of marriage.
It’s delusional that she sees that the world must change to suit her needs.
How sad that she does not see this. And terrible that none of her friends, peers and older women – or her pastor – mention this.
Why does this “wommon of great virtue” not marry one of the guys who satisfies everything except the church-attendance expectation and then try to be a 1 Peter 3:1 wife to him? Because that would be her having to work, and it’s so much easier to grouse with the girls.
Last comment – scout’s honor – before I become a Bond villain in a bad monologue:
Her complaint is that 49% of Australian men identified as Christian.
Assuming her numbers come from the 2016 Australian census, I found this:
https://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/mediareleasesbyReleaseDate/7E65A144540551D7CA258148000E2B85
Her great complaint of the unfaithfulness of Australian men is special pleading for Australian women. The women get the men they deserve. There’s a reported 52% of Australians identifying as Christian in 2016. Assuming her number of 49% is from the same census, that means, if we assume a 50/50 sex split, there are only 55% of Australian women identifying as Christian.
Barbie said math was tough.
Nathan,
“Wife-ing is like cooking or sewing: they don’t know how to do it, they don’t have anyone who can teach it, their parents tell them it is not worth pursuing, and the consumer culture will provide cheaper alternatives.”
My wife said much the same thing (we’re Boomers). Women were raised from toddlers to be wives and mothers – and learned how to deal with men (i.e., use their gifts from nature, and men’s core programming, to get their way quite often).
Girls raised by the Boomers and later generations do not have that training. They know how to dress to attract the male gaze, which they do occasionally as a form of cosplay. They know how to get men into bed. But they – as a group – lack the skills to be a wife and mother. My wife explained that these are complex skills, taking years for practice to master. Nobody told Hitchings about this, and she has not learned from experience. This is lost knowledge to them, like how to make a flint knife.
They just want:
Hunky, attractive
Wealthy
Tall
Provides steady paycheck (with divorce privileges reserved ONLY for her if paychecks cease for any reason)
Obedient (does whatever she tells him to do)
Abandons his friends to be at her beckon call
Spend the whole weekend providing labor for her “honey-dos”
Believes that a husband serving his wife is the same as serving Christ
And attend the church that SHE wants to attend, not the one he wants to attend
For Anna, this is a good Christian man. Anna can’t find that man and (well) that is not fair. But we are not allowed to see this list because Anna’s self-esteem can’t handle the least bit of criticism that maybe she is asking too much.
“Nor does Rod Dreher, as a pleasant conservative, ask her any disturbing questions. His interview is “just how wonderful are you” and “how sad that there are so few men deserving of your awesomeness.”
Why. Is. That!? This guy of all people.
The cluelessness here is amazing and discouraging. Christianity is dead and gone if this situation isn’t quickly corrected, if possible. My Orthodox diocese has declined in membership 40% the last 20 years and there’s complete denial, defeat about it. And, the Orthodox… wow, they are way out on the conservative, traditional spectrum of churches! Unrecognizable from others.
Wow… Feminism is proving to be more destructive than the H-bomb…
Senpai noticed me! haha
@ Nathan Bruno
“A 32-year-old single girl has nothing to offer a marriage-minded man of that same age. He’s already learned how to live without her, and she cannot offer him children. Further, she’ll have all the manners of an outside cat brought indoors – and she’ll have been reinforced in the belief that, because of magic girl powers, her aberrant quirks are normative behaviors. She simply can’t be trained to be a wife. A 25-35 year-old, marriage-minded, Christian single man would rather scoop up a 22-25 year-old Christian girl whose parents actually want her to be a good Christian mother instead of secular “happy” – and she’ll be willing to learn how to be a wife, not assume that wifedom involves Netflix and wine in dirty clothes for eternity.”
This describes my situation well. At this point there really is nothing to do except invest in pet food company stock along with the stocks for liquor brands and boxed wine.
But understand this: In the last days terrible times will come. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, without love of good, traitorous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. Turn away from such as these!
They are the kind who worm their way into households and captivate vulnerable women weighed down with sins and led astray by various passions, always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.
Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses,a so also these men oppose the truth. They are depraved in mind and disqualified from the faith. But they will not advance much further. For just like Jannes and Jambres, their folly will be plain to everyone.
— 2 Timothy 3:1-9
I think Paul sums up these kinds of times and people. They have a form of godliness but miss the boat, the TruCons leading vulnerable and sinful women astray.
Kingfisher,
“Christianity is dead and gone if this situation isn’t quickly corrected, if possible.”
There is a religion that values masculinity and has a proven ability to attract both men and women. Isam is rapidly gaining converts in Europe. Churches are empty and being torn down. Mosques are filled and appearing across the landscape like dandelions after the rain.
Christians are in denial about the power of this competitor. As you said, the clock is running.
https://fabiusmaximus.com/2018/05/10/a-big-future-for-islam-in-the-west/
@IBB
It’s the Churchian form of Rules for Betas, None for Alphas. Part of the problem Christian men has is that these things seem like good qualities, but agreeing is a kafka trap.
A mere agreement sets the frame of the discussion. Once that happens, it’s too late. An Alpha could do those things as well, but he has to do it from his Frame. It’s a hard circle to square.
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. (kjv)
“Who out there is good enough for me?”
versus
“Who out there am I good enough for?”
Which question, when asked, will help a woman develop into what God made her to be?
Which question comes from one who really has God as the lord of her life?
By their fruits you shall know them.
Indeed.
As Larry Kumer mentioned above, the lack of awareness is pretty amazing. Never once does she mention that maybe part of the problem is not with the guys, but with the person in the mirror. THis complete lack of awareness is evident in almost every article written about how good men are hard to find. I see this up close with my younger sister who is approaching 30 and complains about her difficulty finding a good man to marry. And yet she never puts herself in a position to be around guys that she views as marriage material. She also suffers from another problem modern women suffer from; unrealistic expectations. She has actually told me that she wants someone like Chris Hemsworth (plays Thor in the movies). I’m sure Anna too suffers from unrealistic expectations and an over inflated sense of her own post wall value.
In a few years, i foresee Anna morphing from frustrated single woman to overweight, bitter single cat woman who hates all men because one never manned up and asked her to marry her
The take-home message here is that there are no anti-feminist women left anymore–not in any real, functional sense. Even religious women like Hitchings refuse to abandon the feminist life script for their 20s while later penning paeans to traditionalism in articles like this. Of course, this duplicity goes completely unnoticed by folks like Rod Dreher and props up the feminist regime that traditional conservatives claim to want to undermine but in reality can’t imagine giving up.
All old news for us here in the manosphere, but it’s quite something to watch the shock and hand-wringing from women/tradcons grappling with this stuff for the first time.
This Aussie chick’s echoing North American women’s similar groundless complaints, along with the sacking of that footballer for his biblical witness against LGBT, shows Australia is now just as pozzed as the rest of the West, contra all the smug Aussies back around 2011 who proudly proclaimed their land a trad haven.
Not any more, beyotches! 😉
Don’t you Aussies have a phrase, Tall Poppy Syndrome?
Looks like y’all have been cut down to size. 😉
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This Aussie chick’s echoing North American women’s similar groundless complaints, along with the sacking of that footballer for his biblical witness against LGBT, shows Australia is now just as pozzed as the rest of the West, contra all the smug Aussies back around 2011 who proudly proclaimed their land a trad haven.
Not any more, beyotches! 😉
Don’t you Aussies have a phrase, Tall Poppy Syndrome?
Looks like y’all have been cut down to size. 😉
Polygamy would solve this problem.
@ Christopher Conrad Nystrom
De facto polygamy is essentially what we have now in the West—and it’s only going to gather in strength. It would be better to return to some updated/modified version of the old system—but women have proven that they like that even less than polygamy.
Dragnet,
“De facto polygamy is essentially what we have now in the West”
Not in America. We have serial monogamy as the official system.
Only a small percentage of guys have exclusive relations with more than one woman at a time (5%? 10%?). There have always been some men like that at the top and bottom of the socio-economic ladder: the aristocracy and the bad boys.
Men in the big middle lack the money to maintain multiple women and are too constrained by social forces.
There are even fewer women capable of running several men as exclusive partners. I don’t know if this number is rising, or how it compares with the past. The answers are probably depressing.
These women were willing to abandon their “faith” to end up marrying non-believers. These are not Christian women, they are posers. The Christian men obviously saw through the ruse and quite wisely passed.
@ Larry Kummer
I’m equating de facto polygamy with serial monogamy here. Serial monogamy is a better neologism for this phenomenon. I also happen to believe it will gradually give way to hard(er) polygamy until something puts a stop to it.
The comments at that article are interesting. Lots of them seem to be quite red pillish in the way they are pushing back at her article. That surprises me, because I would have thought that The American Conservative was read by mostly deep blue tradcons. Odd.
Why would a Quistian woman have any reason to see herself as a reason that she can’t get a man? The pastorbators endlessly extol even the most mediocre women in church as ‘beautiful, beautiful, beautiful’. Women in church never hear anything to the contrary.
The pastorbators are setting women up to fail.
P.S. When pastorbators extol mediocre women as ‘beautiful, beautiful, beautiful’, that is also evidence of a complete lack of genuine faith.
Novaseeker,
The comments at that article are interesting. Lots of them seem to be quite red pillish in the way they are pushing back at her article. That surprises me, because I would have thought that The American Conservative was read by mostly deep blue tradcons. Odd.
These things are exponential. The Misandry Bubble predicted 2020 as a tipping point of awareness reaching critical mass.
Rod Drehrer is one of the most cartoonishly blue pill cuckservatives around. Roissy was destroying Rod Dreher even a decade ago.
Why. Is. That!? This guy of all people.
Of all people? Rod Drehrer is the Grand Exalted Cyclops of the Cuckservative Crutch Clan.
The energy that Dreher expends in woman-worship is high even by cuckservative standards.
Everything needs to change and until we change things, nothing will change about our current feminist culture. But nothing changes until we ask the right questions. Asking where all the good Christian men have gone is an unimportant question. Its also an entirely vague question because “good” is a very vague and subjective adjective.
No one (and I mean no one) bothers to interview men and ask them why they have stopped chasing women. That question is never asked partially because society doesn’t give a damn what men want and what they don’t want but mostly because society does not want that question answered. To answer that question leads feminism to darkness. Therefore, to ask that question is a non-starter. But here is the problem with not asking it: young men aren’t complaining. Young men are just making do without asking questions. They have never bothered to chase women in their short lives. They were born with access to technology. Why chase women for sexual gratification if you can just go to work (if you work), come home, go down into the basement, fire up the Wi-Fi, head to any of the thousands of online p0rn sites, and bitterly masturbate until you are completely dehydrated and blue in the face? Satan is right there in the room with you laughing his ass off, but you haven’t broken any secular laws AND you aren’t hurting anyone other than yourself. Until young women give young men a reason not to do this, they are going to continue to do this. And right now, feminism (which influences pretty much all women) does not give young men a reason not to do this. Instead, feminism is just trying to find a way to get the global authority to shut all the p0rn down and deny men this sexual gratification.
If your entire childhood and young adulthood was nothing but watching dad get ruined in divorce court (so that mom could fuck her facebook boyfriend who doesn’t have a job but boy does he look good) and listening to people in authority tell you what you could and couldn’t do with women (and those rules are constantly changing) don’t be surprised if they just give up and go to p0rn. I want to tell Anna (even if it gives her a chill up her spine) what can you offer a man such that he would want to bother to chase you? Why should he? What’s in it for him? Hearing those questions will make her sick because she doesn’t have anything to offer.
You can’t talk to older men about this because they have been simmering in the feminist imperative too long, they can’t take a red pill. The red pill will kill them, their bodies are too old and the physical shock of that much truth would end them. Ask a man in his 60s or 70s what reason a man in his 20s has to want to better himself to “call on” and “court” women if all he has ever known is women telling him how awful he was, how terrible his father was, how much debt all these women have, how many thugspawn these women have already given birth to, and the response from the older men will be personal. “Well that is just the way it has to be!” or “Well it worked for me!” or “Well it worked for YOU and now you need to SHAME THESE MAN-BOYS into manning up!” or what not. They are not going to get it. They will never get it because they are not going to understand. They understand Anna perfectly because they don’t see anything of value to a young man who doesn’t chase women who isn’t great looking with a great education and a great career. Every young man must check every check box or he is no good. Alright, fine. So I guess he retires to the basement to be with his p0rn.
To Anna, all I can say is this: take care of yourself. Take care of yourself and try and be a good Christian woman. To be a good Christian, you do not have to marry. To be a good Christian, you do not have to have children. To be a good Christian, you need only listen to Christ and do as He commands of you. And maybe you will never find that “good” Christian man. That is okay. There is no rule in the Bible that says you must, none. There is no rule in the Bible that says you need a husband to get into Heaven. There is no rule in the Bible that a life of singleness is nothing more than the Road to Perdition. Just do as young Christian men doing, that is stop complaining.
My brother is single and Christian. I’ll tell him this woman is available.
Novaseeker
The comments at that article are interesting. Lots of them seem to be quite red pillish in the way they are pushing back at her article.
I did not skim all 280+ but agree there are some interesting responses. Perhaps some of the blue-pill pedestal is fragmenting.
The correct answer for a woman such as Hitchings is:
“Where are the good men? Back in your 20’s, where you left them.”
@innocentbystanderboston
>No one is asking the right question, no one.<
That would include YOU. Your question is all about "what women want"…
We're SICK of hearing about that; what women "want" is never reasonable, never attainable, and frankly never-ending. The REAL question that NO ONE is asking is:
What do women have to offer?
What does a "modern woman" like Anna Hitchings have to offer that is "marriagable" — especially in our [current year] society where she (or any woman) can for any reason (or no reason) decide to NUKE the marriage; take the kids (and fuck them over, even if only to "spite" ex-hubby); take the house; take half (or more) of everything he has earned/saved, and indenture him for another ~20 years besides — what does she offer that is WORTH the risk of that (and it doesn't matter if the risk of that HORRID outcome is 80%, or 50%, or 10%… it's "Russian Roulette" regardless).
Is she going to cook? (And if — somehow, inexplicably — she actually DOES agree to do so …occasionally… will it even be edible?) Is she going to clean the house, do the laundry, truly take CARE of the kids (not just fob them off to some strangers at a daycare & then later other strangers at the local school system/government SJW indoctrination center)… become a HAPPY "Suzie Homemaker"… or is she going to continue to be a bitchy feministy type (at heart) and want to "balance career & home" and "have it all/experience it all."
No, SHE is NOT going to do ANY of that… much less become the kind of "God fearing" woman that scripture instructs, nay COMMANDS her to be relative to her (future/potential) husband.
Ergo what man — at least what man IN HIS RIGHT MIND — would want to come within 100ft of her; much less MARRY her.
And that's WITHOUT all of the crapfest of #MeToo and VAWA/DV allegations, nasty divorce shitfest antics, etc — all of which can easily destroy a man's career, social connections, etc.
Screw that… I have an electric oven & other appliances… I do my own cooking, my own cleaning, my own laundry, etc… WTF do I need her for? To birth kids that she will likely "fuck up" and steal from me? (Assuming she doesn't CHOOSE to kill them in utero; or given he aging eggs cause them to be Downs babies, possibly FAS kids, etc) Nah… let my potential kids — or their souls — remain in whatever "aetherial" state (presumably with God) that souls inhabit prior to conception (and if there is no such state, well that's not on me).
IBB said :
Therefore, to ask that question is a non-starter. But here is the problem with not asking it: young men aren’t complaining. Young men are just making do without asking questions. They have never bothered to chase women in their short lives. They were born with access to technology.
This is good news, because it facilitates MGTOW.
MRAs, even if they actually did any activism (they don’t), will never make a dent in the system.
The male disengagement is a free choice, and free choice is the American way. VR Sex will make it even easier.
Ha! Over at the Dreher column referenced in this OP, there’s a commenter called “Read Dalrock” (no, it isn’t me):
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/where-are-the-good-christian-men/comment-page-3/#comment-9471428
@dragnet
I don’t think so. Not from this story at least. I think this is much simpler: Anna Hitchings can’t find a man. Plug in her solipsism and Drehr’s white knight syndrome, and we now have a global problem.
I’m not denying the larger trends, but in the end, I think it really is about her. Men who couldn’t have the kitten* don’t seem to want the cat.
*Assuming this sound cloud account by the same name is hers.
@Larry Kummer
>>“Wife-ing is like cooking or sewing: they don’t know how to do it, they don’t have anyone who can teach it, their parents tell them it is not worth pursuing, and the consumer culture will provide cheaper alternatives.”<My wife explained that these are complex skills, taking years for practice to master.<
Your wife is LYING (gaslighting you). Cooking and cleaning and sewing etc — especially with modern appliances — are emphatically NOT "complex skills."
Boomer guys bought into that (were sold that)… but younger generations — especially guys who have lived as bachelors for any number of years (particularly MGTOW guys) — either NEVER fell for that, or else have been forced to learn the lie of it, as they have themselves "mastered" such things in fairly short order and with little to no effort.
Moreover, while — once upon a time/back in the day (before electric appliances, cookstoves, washing machines, Roomba vacuums, etc) — such things DID require a bit more work, a bit more skill (cooking & baking on a cast iron, wood or coal fired stove is a bit trickier than a thermostatically controlled electric oven; and likewise laundry was a LOT more work when it had to be done manually)… but even then, young TEENAGE girls (and not only girls, but many boys/men) managed to learn how to "master" it.
So really there is ZERO excuse… and the whole "complex skill" bit… is a bunch of BS.
Young women haven't learned how to do it, not JUST because their "Boomer" mothers haven't taught them… rather it is because their mothers (and all of society, including the "church" {so called}) has continually told them they not only don't HAVE to learn, but that it is BENEATH them to offer such "servitude" to men. Ironically it is FEMINISM that has reduced women to nothing other than "sex objects" … which they then give-away/use-up and squander (while encouraged from the sidelines "U Go Gurl!") on everyone BUT a husband.
Not sure which comedian said it, but he summed it up by calling then a generation of "Gold Digging Whores!" And that's a fairly accurate summary.
JB,
That question is always being asked. ALWAYS. Men always ask that of themselves when they evaluate whether or not a woman is worthy of his pursuit. And the answer (lately) to that question has been the same: nothing.
She is a freelance writer at age 32.
Golly, I wonder what else she has been up to over the last 14 years?
@innocentbystanderboston
>That question is always being asked. ALWAYS. Men always ask that of themselves when they evaluate whether or not a woman is worthy of his pursuit. And the answer (lately) to that question has been the same: nothing.<
Indeed… it is one of the questions that is part of the "doing the math" and the "risk/reward" analysis that is done BY MEN (or at least a significant portion of "MGTOW" men) — the latter group especially, who by the by simply DON'T give a shit about the various attempts at "shaming" them with rhetoric (calling them "incels" or as you have implied "basement dwellers" & "porn addicts"… **Yawn**).
First, because they recognize that for what it is… an attempt to MANIPULATE; Second they recognize it as a rank FAILURE to have any actually VALID argument that would otherwise be convincing; and… Lastly (but not necessarily finally), because if you really WANT to descend to the "name calling" and "shaming" bullshit… well, we can punch BACK… twice as hard.
Moreover, we're TEACHING other younger men that THEY don't have to put up with the "crapfest" that their elders have contrived to stick them with. They CAN in fact "go their OWN way" — sans femme (and yes, likely sans progeny) — and live a wonderful life (even arguably a much more GODLY life — Cf 1 Cor 7:32 etc) by subtracting themselves (and their work/skills/resources) from the system… a system (a HUMAN contrived system, one that is the OPPOSITE of what God ordered) that frankly HATES them, sees them only as slaves & knaves; fools & fodder… grist to be ground up for the feminist bread (w/o even the least respect or gratitude).
Your wife is LYING (gaslighting you). Cooking and cleaning and sewing etc — especially with modern appliances — are emphatically NOT “complex skills.”
Very true. These are simple skills with low-risk errors, and hence were safe enough to delegate to women.
Work traditionally considered ‘women’s work’ was such only because the damage caused by errors was very little.
Anyone who STILL thinks cooking, cleaning, sewing, etc. are ‘complex skills’ should trade places with the wife for a bit, and have her replace the spark plugs, engine oil, timing belt, engine air filter, and tail light bulb on the car that SHE drives. Meanwhile, the husband simply has to watch a couple of Youtube videos to learn whatever the secret knowledge is.
I wager that Larry’s wife will not want the trade.
But they – as a group – lack the skills to be a wife and mother. My wife explained that these are complex skills, taking years for practice to master.
Larry’s wife is right, in that it does take years for a WOMAN to master these skills (particularly under the traditional method of another woman teaching her – garbage in garbage out).
But these days, a man could just watch a YouTube instructional video, and do a better job than most women on the very first day.
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Just read (or skimmed through*) the actual ORIGINAL piece:
https://www.catholicweekly.com.au/for-want-of-a-lot-of-good-men/
And in addition to the whole thing being a lot of (bog standard) insufferable narcissistic “whinging” like this bit:
>And while I have experienced some real suffering in my 32 years,But I also know that neither a man nor a marriage can fulfil you in life – they’re just a bonus (if you’re lucky).<
IOW… she's NOT willing to change ONE damned thing about herself.
Also, I'd add on that her entire claim to being a "Christian" woman is dubious (Biblically, if she were truly "Christian" or "Godly"… well one of the first character traits is that she would need to learn to be SILENT; something I rather doubt she is capable of… and she most certainly wouldn't be attempting to LECTURE/INSTRUCT MEN). And of course that's WITHOUT getting into the whole "Is a Catholic really a Christian?" question (which BTW to her statistics: Aussies who count themselves as "Catholic" are only 22% of the pop; and one presumes that's much more heavily represented in the older generations).
“Where have all the good men gone?”
Somewhere where Rod Dreher isn’t.
Rod Dreher has been taken apart by Roissy, Dr. Helen, and in the comments of his own articles, so many times, that he is the very personification of a mangina with an ‘unreachable’ brain. He even tried to ‘debate’ in the early days, but when anyone cited anything about a man’s self-preservation instinct, he went into a hysteria of being a unilateral judge, jury, and executioner, and responds with ‘you lose all credibility when you say that’.
Plus, keep in mind that a ‘male feminist’ is always a creepy predator in disguise. Quite a few women have figured this out.
JB,
Nathan: “Wife-ing is like cooking or sewing: they don’t know how to do it, they don’t have anyone who can teach it, their parents tell them it is not worth pursuing, and the consumer culture will provide cheaper alternatives.”
Me: “My wife explained that these are complex skills, taking years for practice to master. …”
JB: ” Cooking and cleaning and sewing etc — especially with modern appliances — are emphatically NOT “complex skills.”
I didn’t think this needed to be spelled out, but I was referring to the social skills of being a wife and mother.
“{In the past girls” “learned how to deal with men (i.e., use their gifts from nature, and men’s core programming, to get their way quite often). Girls raised by the Boomers and later generations do not have that training. They know how to dress to attract the male gaze, which they do occasionally as a form of cosplay. They know how to get men into bed. But they – as a group – lack the skills to be a wife and mother.”
Instead they lecture and lead using their sense of superiority. That will lead to a lot of 30-something unmarried women.
You know just for a minute, I’m going to be contrarian about this, just because it’s good for me.
it’s possible that there really aren’t many good Christian men where she’s at and the problem is geographical.
In all seriousness, especially with the weird skew of where women work and where men work, I’m working in a situation where I meet, no kidding close to zero single women. Been that way for a couple of years now. Honestly women get vacuumed up to work in some environments and men don’t in an unbalanced way. To be clear, I don’t mean “don’t meet single women I’m interested in”, I mean I meet approximately 0 actually unattached women.
If Sydney is anything like most major metropolises, it’s female heavy in the center and male (and family) heavy in the outer rings (I personally work in one of the outer rings of a major city). We’re always looking for a social/cultural/religious explanation, it’s entirely reasonable that it may just be a geography problem created by social/cultural/religious conditions.
Instead of asking where have all the good Christian men gone, the question that should be asked is of Christian women: ladies, what are the qualities and traits that you are looking for in a good Christian man that you would be willing to marry the instant he asked? No one is asking that question because to ask that question is to place some accountability on the part of the female to properly “define” what “good” is.
No, what needs to be asked of “Christian” women pining for a Christian husband is:
“What do you bring to the marriage table, other than an attitude of entitlement, rebelliousness, and an utter lack of ability or interest in domestic skills?”
As others here were quick to point out (and it’s so obvious that it shouldn’t even need to be repeated, but we live in an age of titanium-grade “density,” so here goes), the fact women go ballistic with offended rage at even the idea that they should ever be asked such a question tells us flat-out that they’re non-starters even as relationship material, let alone wives.
As for the focus of the linked article, “Solipsism, thy name is Anna Hitchings.”
Don’t need the lopsided government contract Anna. Go whine somewhere else.
“I got ketchup on my blue jeans, I just burnt my hand.
Lord, its hard to be a bachelor man.
I got girls that can cook, I got girls that can clean,
I got girls that can do anything in between.
I got to get ready, make everything right,
’cause all my rowdy friends are coming over tonight.”
@kingfisher
I’m Orthodox as well. Cuckery and simping has entered our church with a vengeance in the west. My own brother had the priest of his church turn on him and encourage his wife’s rebellion as well as encourage her to nuke their family. And his two other spiritual fathers enabled his wife as well. My brother wasn’t perfect, but his marriage was salvageable if BOTH spouses had been held accountable for their sins.
@Anon
>Anyone who STILL thinks cooking, cleaning, sewing, etc. are ‘complex skills’ should trade places with the wife for a bit, and have her replace the spark plugs, engine oil, timing belt, engine air filter, and tail light bulb on the car that SHE drives. Meanwhile, the husband simply has to watch a couple of Youtube videos to learn whatever the secret knowledge is.<
And — ironically — this is yet another way that younger generations of women are PROVING they have nothing to offer.
Why? Because they essentially FORCE lots of guys to learn — even when they "cohabit" (much less when the guy is bachelor) — they screw up the whole "complex-skill/mystery" thing that Larry Kummer's wife managed to pull off… younger women INSIST that the guy do AT LEAST HALF of the household stuff (i.e. "traditional women's work")…
With the end result that — especially as you noted, via YouTube and other instructional/demonstration venues (not the least of which is stuff like Reddit's /r/MGTOW… go search there {or anywhere} on "MGTOW cooking"; some of these guys would put Julia Child to shame, and to THEM it's NOT difficult, or even all that time consuming: it's FUN) — anyway, they QUICKLY learn that women's WHINGING about cooking was just more ridiculous "faux-victim" crap.
Much the same with everything else about the "household chores"…
Meanwhile… out in the garage (or anywhere else that requires REAL work/skill); the "little princess" is CLUELESS.
feeriker,
“What do you bring to the marriage table, other than an attitude of entitlement, rebelliousness, and an utter lack of ability or interest in domestic skills?”
You forgot to add a high N, fattitude**, henpecking proclivities, and the threatpoint?*
*Note that Jim Gay-ratty and Rod Dreher said the threatpoint is a wonderful thing in terms of controlling the evil nature of husbands.
** Credit to Roosh for this valuable and descriptive portmanteau
To Anna, all I can say is this: take care of yourself. Take care of yourself and try and be a good Christian woman. To be a good Christian, you do not have to marry. To be a good Christian, you do not have to have children. To be a good Christian, you need only listen to Christ and do as He commands of you. And maybe you will never find that “good” Christian man. That is okay. There is no rule in the Bible that says you must, none. There is no rule in the Bible that says you need a husband to get into Heaven. There is no rule in the Bible that a life of singleness is nothing more than the Road to Perdition. Just do as young Christian men doing, that is stop complaining.
I would bet a year’s salary that if Anna were to receive a clear signal from God, directly or indirectly, that marriage is off the table for her and that her mission in life, for what’s left of it, is to be a godly SINGLE Christian women working in service to the Lord, she would renounce her Catholic faith (maybe even declare herself and atheist or agnostic), and go try to hop on the cock carousel while she still has SOME residual SMV left.
Screw that… I have an electric oven & other appliances… I do my own cooking, my own cleaning, my own laundry, etc… WTF do I need her for?
BINGO.
I already have domestic appliances that I’m expert at using, and I know for sure that they run away from me, steal everything from me, or deny me sex. Why add a “middle man” (or “middle vagina”) that not only adds no benefit, but that introduces stupidly unnecessary risk?
“A 32-year-old single girl has nothing to offer a marriage-minded man of that same age.”
Then she needs to consider older men, like a 55-year-old divorced father of three who maintains a modicum of physical fitness. A 32-year-old woman can still marry and have kids if she settles fast and settles hard.
A more timely response to the man shortage would be to start looking as soon as your daughters reach legal age, which is sixteen in most states. Thought experiment: If you had met your current wife when she was sixteen, and married her soon after, how would either of you be worse off today?
@Larry Kummer
>I didn’t think this needed to be spelled out, but I was referring to the social skills of being a wife and mother.<
Those aren't very "complex skills" either; and they don't take decades to "master"…
Chiefly it consists of "Be silent, be helpful, and moreover DON'T be a whinging, evil, entitled selfish bitch!" (Something BTW that their Boomer mothers CAN'T teach, because they themselves REJECTED that, REFUSED to learn it… and in fact TRAINED their daughters to be the OPPOSITE. Also, no Larry, your wife is NOT an exception; she sold you on the whole "complex skills" BS, and you bought it.)
But the larger point remains the same: modern young women have nothing of POSITIVE VALUE — anything that would merit being considered as "wife/marriage" material — instead all they have is BAGGAGE/LIABILITY (a whole array of NEGATIVE "value"). And that's true even of the ones that DON'T come with multiple "mystery meat" crotch-fruit in tow.
Feeriker,
I used post on a blog that was predominantly women, women who were looking to get married. And they were always asking each other where all the good men were. Where were all the men that actually had something to offer them. So I thought I’d flip it around just once and asked them to ask this of themselves: what do you ladies have to offer a man?
The response I got from one of them was that whenever she read those words an actual “chill” went down her spine. And she flat out told me that women NEVER ask that of themselves because to ask that question (and here is the kicker) would inevitably force women to evaluate whether or not they are even entitled to marriage! And they simply can’t do that because that is far too much of a shock to their self-esteem. They can’t handle that. The way a woman looks at herself as a woman, she sees only two things that make her “special” such that she need not change one thing about herself: I can host a baby in my womb and men want to chase and marry me. Take away one of those things and there goes 50% of her value on this planet!
In reality, that question you have asked is always asked. Single men are always asking it. Single women just do not LIKE that men ask that when they evaluate a single woman. That is never a question that is asked in public. And it is never a question that is even talked about in public. But that is a question that a single man’s subconscious asks himself, he can’t help it.
“…for sure that they won’t run away from me…”
In reality, that question you have asked is always asked. Single men are always asking it. Single women just do not LIKE that men ask that when they evaluate a single woman. That is never a question that is asked in public. And it is never a question that is even talked about in public. But that is a question that a single man’s subconscious asks himself, he can’t help it.
What good does it do for a MAN to ask HIMSELF that question? He already KNOWS the answer. Until MEN start asking WOMEN that question, bluntly and forcefully, it will have no effect whatsoever.
This is the Christian version of Tom Friedman talking to his cab driver about China.
No depth. No insight. Just a narrative to support later writings.
J B Harshaw
Not sure which comedian said it, but he summed it up by calling then a generation of “Gold Digging Whores!” And that’s a fairly accurate summary.
That would be Bill Burr, the pre-marriage version.
Never Safe For Work (NSFW). Contains many F-bombs, not for the delicate of ears. Also other rude and crude language, as well as some concepts.
“That guy at Home Depot doesn’t have to worry about this. Why? ‘Cause whores don’t care about lumber”.
Dalrock as always, delete if you do not want this vid in comments, no worries.
younger women INSIST that the guy do AT LEAST HALF of the household stuff (i.e. “traditional women’s work”)…
It is even worse. They insist that the men do at least half of the household (indoor) things in terms of HOURS SPENT, not results achieved.*
Dalrock once had an article about how even the husbands who got henpecked into this made the wives angry (and not just for obeying her), by doing it all in so little time. So ‘half of the household work’ is also loaded with many other unnecessary forms of gratuitous abuse of the husband to make sure he wastes as much time as she sees fit.
*Note that this is also why Economics is the field in which women have the least talent, and why the ‘pay gap’ lie still persists. The notion that results, rather than time spend and emotional labor, are what matter is incompatible with the female psyche (and hence proving that too much freedom for women is incompatible with modern civilization).
These are grown up people, they can take care of themselves.
Besides, who in this world does not have any problems…
@Anon
>It is even worse. They insist that the men do at least half of the household (indoor) things in terms of HOURS SPENT, not results achieved.* <
Yup… reminds me of that laundry scene from "Far and Away": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbSIRVQw5v0
Note: no modern appliances… just an entitled "princess."
And while that is a "film" I've seen the equivalent with MANY women… whether in the workplace or at home: they "dawdle" at just about everything. (They seem to specialize at making just about any task take 10x longer than it realistically should, and make it seem, or claim that it is vastly more "complicated" than it really is {which, among other factors, is one cause for the utter uselessness of the modern schooling systems}).
feeriker,
He is sending her that signal. She has no husband nor does she have any prospects. And she got the message. You know how I know she knows? She has to write about God’s signal to her complaining to anyone who cares to read it. But God’s message is loud and clear. If she chooses to ignore the part of His message that she needs to “change” in someway, that is on her. But the message is sent so (according to you) she will hop on the carousel soon enough.
I knew I had a winner who could “bring something to the table” when I went to my then-not-yet-girlfriends house. I helped her with a repair job that needed to be done (she has already come to my house and helped me the previous week), She then served me dinner. She made me polish sausage (she’s Polish) which I had never had before. We ate at her dining room table with tablecloth, china, place-mats and cloth napkins. This was her normal. She just liked to make things nice.
And yes, that type of dinner continued through marriage and the entire time the kids were at home, including the cloth napkins in little china napkin rings. Even when they were little babies.
Even today, we still eat at “the big table” with nice dishes and the TV off so we can talk about our day.
It’s funny how even after more than 30 years, we don’t tire of each other. Although I’ve heard people say bad things about being best friends, she is my best friend. She tells me (and others) that I am her best friend. But we’re best friends that happen to be married and have sex 2 or 3 times a week, (which is the BEST kind of best friend. 🙂
I am going to place this right here.
Feminine virtue includes, but is not limited to,:
– politeness
– affabilty
– modesty
– gracefulness
– delicacy
– civility
– compliancy
– purity
– chastity
In the absence of youth, health and beauty at age 32 Anna may want to amp these up a bit.
Anna Hitchings has a job and works for Campion College as its Media and Communications Officer (whatever that may be). Anna is thirty-two and on the basis of a photo I have seen on her Twitter from 2017 I would say ‘and the rest’. Anna is advertising her inability to land not any just man but one of the Catholic persuasion (Catholics not exactly being an obscure sect).
Has Anna (apart from using her skills in communication for the purpose) as a devout Catholic truly prayed to The Holy Spirit for guidance as to whether she might have a vocation and thus might take the Veil? Catholic Orders are always happy to take as Novitiates, Virgins.
@Opus
I had to look that expression up: https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/and-the-rest
@IBB I’m a long time lurker, very occasional commenter. I’d like to chat with you via PM if you’re open to it. (Dalrock, please free to share my email)
J, I wanted to chat with both you and feeriker.
In the absence of youth, health and beauty at age 32 Anna may want to amp these up a bit.
Anna, along with almost every other modern woman, would sooner turn butch lesbian than put any of those “demeaning” qualities and characteristics into practice.
In the absence of youth, health and beauty at age 32 Anna may want to amp these up a bit.
Anna, along with almost every other modern woman, would sooner turn butch lesbian than put any of those “demeaning” qualities and characteristics into practice.
J, I wanted to chat with both you and feeriker.
Once again, Dalrock has my permission to share my email address associated with this avatar.
When I was in my mid-thirties at which time I had my first computer and some software I wrote a small programme. The screen asked the question ‘How old are you?. My girlfriend who at the time was twenty-one (and of course I still see her as being no older than her age when first we met) typed in her age and the computer responded ‘you are young’. I asked my gf to try again by typing in her age at her next birthday. She did so and the computer responded ‘ You are too old. sorry’. Anna Hitchings reminded me of that use of Dread Game.
they “dawdle” at just about everything. (They seem to specialize at making just about any task take 10x longer than it realistically should, and make it seem, or claim that it is vastly more “complicated” than it really is {which, among other factors, is one cause for the utter uselessness of the modern schooling systems}).
Oh, this is just one of the many reasons why automation/artificial intelligence is a disaster for women.
Jobs that are low productivity, repetitive, and ‘mature’ are the ones most likely to be automated out. Women are the majority of people drawing paychecks from such jobs. Jobs in government and industries tied closely to government may think they can shield women in ‘make work’ jobs forever, but they can’t. It just means the correction is a) later, and b) sharper.
Look what happened to NYC Taxi Medallions when they assumed they had a completely captive audience that they could gouge endlessly :
Now, they can’t even reach their pre-gouge price (in inflation-adjusted terms).
VR Sex will do the same to female SMP power. So both their SMP value and their paychecks are at risk.
She’s failed to take into account biological differences between sexes. So she’s left marriage as late as reasonably possible, as you do, marriage and children being unfun drudgery apparently. Now she feels entitled to an attractive, successful man her own age. Problem is the unmarried attractive, successful men her own age can either get a younger women, or continue to delay marriage and children.
Look, this is Manosphere 101. Women and Men have very different peaks in SMP (Rollo’s chart), and conflating SMP with MMP usually ends badly for a woman’s decision-making.
She sees all sorts of 38 year old men just crushing it in the dating market, applies solipism (fed by TV and films) to assume she can do the same, and hence cannot begin to imagine how 32 is way too old for a woman who still expects men better than what she was turning down at 24.
constrainedlocus says:
May 15, 2019 at 1:48 pm
She is a freelance writer at age 32.
Golly, I wonder what else she has been up to over the last 14 years?
Possibly doing monkey double back flips with Chad and Tyrone (Got that from Coach Greg Adams-Youtube),
OT. Kudos to Alabama for the abortion law. Now it is illegal to kill babies. This was reported on the ultra-left CBC and the woman in their Washington bureau was seething with rage when she reported on this. Easy to hear in her voice.
I very much want “the left” to appeal these decisions to the Supreme Court. They don’t have the votes anymore, there are 5 anti-abortion justices. If they appeal this (from a Constitutionality standpoint) they will lose, anti-abortion state legislators of Alabama will win, and then every other state in the country will be encouraged to follow what Alabama did.
I very much want “the left” to appeal these decisions to the Supreme Court. They don’t have the votes anymore, there are 5 anti-abortion justices. If they appeal this (from a Constitutionality standpoint) they will lose, anti-abortion state legislators of Alabama will win, and then every other state in the country will be encouraged to follow what Alabama did.
Which is why they won’t do that, at least not all the way up. They may see if they can get a lower court to block it, but if it looks like it’s in danger of being appealed all the way up the chain, they will desist. The new approach they have is this: let Alabama pass those kinds of laws. We (Left) will pass extremely permissive laws in our own territory (see, e.g., NY’s new abortion law), and play a waiting game until we win back the WH and the Senate, then we will pack the Court by expanding it and appointing “our” justices, and *then* we will take a case to the Supremes and punish the misogynistic bigots in Alabama and Georgia.
That is the plan. They don’t intend to be the ones to bring a case on abortion before the current Court.
@Jack, if she’s a virgin then I’m a giraffe.
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J, IBB and Freeriker, I’ll get an email out tomorrow.
An image from an earlier time
@Farm Boy: That’s back when she was a kitten passing on suitors to became a cat that blames everyone else for her still-single state as she continues to pass on suitors.
These females are delusional, create their own problems, and I’m not taking any blame for that whatsoever. They can fix their own problem. I suggest they start by looking in the mirror and seeing they are their own problem then working hard to fix themselves. Blaming others for poor behavior and choices is easier though and that’s why they do it.
IBB said,
If they appeal this (from a Constitutionality standpoint) they will lose, anti-abortion state legislators of Alabama will win, and then every other state in the country will be encouraged to follow what Alabama did.
Which is the last thing any red-pill man should want. How naive could you be, after so many years here?
Remember what cuckservatives did to try to reduce abortions. They said that abortions are the MAN’s fault, and thus a man should have to pay CS, even if the pregnancy was fraudulent, and that his wages should be garnished, passport seized, and if he cannot earn enough, the earnings still accrue all the same (an extremely left-wing idea), leading him to be jailed.
Given this horror that cuckservatives have enthusiastically created, the choices in America are between abortion, and a large number of men in debtors prison or under slavery. Sadly, the former is preferable.
Remember, it is the job of the leftist to create new problems, and it is the job of cuckservatives to prevent the problems from being fixed.
In Sweden, where custody is assumed to be joint and CS isn’t such a huge wealth transfer, abortion could be reversed with little harm. But in the US, since cuckservatives have created a regime so tyrannical that even the most left-wing Democrat could not have invented it, abortion just absolutely cannot be repealed in America anymore, unless the CS machinery is repealed years beforehand.
I haven’t seen any comments about how non-feminine Anna’s face is. She has the nose of a UFC veteran, awful hair, and a general masculinity to her look. Maybe she’s not fat (It’s a miracle!) but this is an unattractive female.
Anna Hitchings: I’m sorry you’re in that predicament, but I have to ask YOU a question:
-What do YOU bring to the table?
Are you wife material? I know you will say a resounding “Yes!” in your head, but examine it from a prospective husband’s POV first:
-Are you willing to domestically support him? Yes, I said domestic. When he’s working double shifts, will he come home – his home in which you are living – to a hot homecooked meal, neat surroundings, and a wife with a good attitude? Do you think this is demeaning for you? I say this because the bulk of feminist- indoctrinated women whom I speak to are openly hostile when I ask these questions of them.
– Are you willing to have sex on demand with him? Sure, I understand that you get tired. I understand that you’ve had a hard day, get sick, are recovering from childbirth. But if he is at the bottom of your list of priorities when your previous lovers were at the top of your list, don’t expect that he’s not going to wife you up.
– Are you ”worldly wise”? If so, shame on you. You should not be. You should be pure as the driven snow. What is that anyway? Do you expect him to be jaded and cynical? ”Worldly wise” usually means coarsened, jaded, cynical and heart-calloused due to a long series of pump & dumps. If this describes YOU, give up now. You will be a terrible wife.
-Lastly: Who has been good enough for you? Why haven’t you thought of this sooner, instead of suddenly coming to this realization as a 32y.o?
J, IBB and Freeriker, I’ll get an email out tomorrow.
Thank you, Dalrock.
Australian women are a textbook case of hypergamy. 15 000 of them married US GIs stationed here during WW2 and thousands more wanted to – not objecting to them marrying the good US men who came here to defend us (God bless them!) but it shows the women’s opportunistic nature, while ‘their own’ men were also off dying overseas dreaming of coming home to girlfriends.
After The Pill in the 60s Aussie women went on wild decades of depravity. Then we must have one of the largest Lesbian populations in the world – having used men like toys they grew bored and sought weirder ‘fulfillment’. Or used the generous welfare system – we had whole towns of single mothers from the 70s with multi father (rainbow coloured) families, hence the expression ‘Busier than the streets of (X town) on Father’s Day’. I don’t know who claimed we are trad cons. Frivorce is very common and supported by the State. They copy every American celebrity fad.
‘Man up and marry those sluts’, well many still do, and husbands here now are expected to aid their wives self fulfillment and be ‘given the flick’ when she gets bored, as advised by Lesbian ‘counsellors’. Sensible men marry Asian women, not perfect but tend to be more loyal and traditional roles overall, with exceptions of course but less risk than marrying a local born!
Sounds like she expects ‘good Christian men’ to submit to her whims.Yeah right, men aren’t stupid.
I haven’t seen any comments about how non-feminine Anna’s face is. She has the nose of a UFC veteran, awful hair, and a general masculinity to her look. Maybe she’s not fat (It’s a miracle!) but this is an unattractive female.
That one photo with Rod Drehrer isn’t a good one, I agree, but the soundcloud photo from a few years ago indicates that she isn’t inherently unattractive at all. She appears to have mismanaged her aging process, however.
I very much want “the left” to appeal these decisions to the Supreme Court. They don’t have the votes anymore, there are 5 anti-abortion justices. If they appeal this (from a Constitutionality standpoint) they will lose, anti-abortion state legislators of Alabama will win, and then every other state in the country will be encouraged to follow what Alabama did.
Which is why they won’t do that, at least not all the way up. They may see if they can get a lower court to block it, but if it looks like it’s in danger of being appealed all the way up the chain, they will desist. The new approach they have is this: let Alabama pass those kinds of laws. We (Left) will pass extremely permissive laws in our own territory (see, e.g., NY’s new abortion law), and play a waiting game until we win back the WH and the Senate, then we will pack the Court by expanding it and appointing “our” justices, and *then* we will take a case to the Supremes and punish the misogynistic bigots in Alabama and Georgia.
That is the plan. They don’t intend to be the ones to bring a case on abortion before the current Court.
Why wait for them to do it, then? I suppose any pregnant woman in Alabama has standing to challenge the law, no?
I just sent IBB an email with J and feeriker’s email addresses.
FOr the 55,000th time:
There are two problems here. The first is that the men she’s describing don’t exist. She wants a unicorn.
The second problem is that women like Anna Hitchings really don’t want the men she’s describing; and that they are sexually attracted only to men who wouldn’t give them the time of day.
The men she claims to want are hopelessly unattractive, sexually and otherwise. Devout, serious Catholics tend to be like prot evangelicals: soft, nebbishly little Dennis Rainey/Jim Geraghty lookalikes.
The men she’s actually attracted to haven’t set foot in a church in at least 10 years.
The thing that this woman seems to be unwilling to face is that even if she truly has done nothing wrong when it comes to dating, other women have. She doesn’t have to be a screw-up in order for other women to have screwed up her life. However, we all bear at least a degree of responsibility for the situations we find ourselves in.
As a Catholic girl myself, though, I can understand the argument. I woke up about my dating prospects when I was 25, realized I wouldn’t have much luck with dating until I was off active duty at 27, spent two years with a man who wasn’t ready (and wasn’t Catholic, despite telling me he was), took a few months to recover from that, and met my now-husband just before my 30th birthday. I knew he was the one when he told me on our second date he wanted his wife to stay home with his kids. But even at that, it took almost three years to get married.
I’m 33, and while we don’t have time anymore to have a big family, I consider myself insanely lucky. Ten years on, of my graduating class from the service academy I attended, less than a third of us girls are married. It’s hard to locate a good Catholic guy (and by this, I literally mean finding them; my husband and I were in the same parish, attended the same Mass most of the time, and I wouldn’t have met him if it hadn’t been for the Internet). Statistically, I feel like an outlier.
I don’t blame the church or the military or men for it. I’m where I’m at because of choices I made, going back to when I was a teenager. I wish somebody had sat me down and told me what the marriage rates are like for female officers before I signed up. I wish I hadn’t believed my ex’s lies for as long as I did. I wish I had prioritized marriage when I was 22, verses thinking that there was something more meaningful out there. My mistakes. I didn’t know I was making them, but I made them all the same.
I feel bad for women who can’t be honest with themselves. Maybe it’ll help you fix your situation, maybe it won’t. But if you don’t do everything you can, why would you think anything’ll get better for you?
From the perspective of traditions with organized ways of living a non-married life (like Catholic, which Hitchings is) I think her statement that she’s known she was called to marriage since she was little is probably the root of all the other missteps.
God doesn’t call us to something outside of the concrete circumstances which allow for it. IBB was right when he said
It is of course not an absolute signal but a strong one. A disservice that the past two catholic generations have paid to their progeny is to allow or encourage their teenagers to operate under the assumption that they are called to marriage. They should remain open to the various non-married states and actively seek to learn about them; like the married vocation, it doesn’t just drop out of thin air, and you have to give God a chance to move you in that direction by taking the initial concrete steps and observing how Grace is working.
It’s still not too late for her; she could go visit some religious orders or talk to her Bishop about becoming a consecrated virgin. Normally 35 or 40 is the cut-off for admits to these organizations. And I think her priest or spiritual director ought to encourage her to give them a look.
Guys:
“Worldly-wise”
is girl speak/code for
“hot, attractive, seductive, rich, athletic and toned body, muscular, and won’t put up with my crap.
She wants an altar boy who looks like this:
https://depositphotos.com/23004234/stock-photo-hot-guy-in-black-clothing.html
Wait. I forgot.
Worldlywise is actually code for
“hot, attractive, seductive, rich, athletic and toned body, muscular, won’t put up with my crap, passes my shit tests with flying colors, has a great job and is really good at it, has lots of cool friends who I might want to have sex with, and is a general all around confident bad ass.”
Why wait for them to do it, then? I suppose any pregnant woman in Alabama has standing to challenge the law, no?
Sure but in order to do it, she would have to have the support of the kinds of groups that fund those kinds of lawsuits. You’re suggesting, I think, that conservatives run a false flag “complaint” against the law simply for the purpose of getting something to the Supreme Court. That would be unmasked pretty easily, and would be politically disastrous — which is why it’s never been done.
Here is another gem that might put a wrinkle in future manhunts for women
https://getpocket.com/explore/item/how-to-teach-girls-they-don-t-have-to-be-nice?utm_source=pocket-newtab
J & feeriker, mail call.
Yesterday @Gage wrote that his unmarried, almost-30 sister was looking for Chris Hemsworth or similar. Women’s stratospheric expectations for their imagined life partners are well known here, but even I was caught off-guard by the entitlement awhile back when a single family member edging into her late 30s mused that she was looking for a superhero. Maybe this is a self-created buffer as Indont believe she’s ever received the slightest attention from men. They are genetically incapable of evaluating themselves realistically. It’s the job of the patriarchy to humble women’s expectations — to “oppress,” they would say — but we can’t bring ourselves to do that and will continue to suffer the ravages of female id and its lengthy debris trail until we can.
Hooray for Alabama!
Nathan – it was possible 30 years ago in the UK to marry a 31.5 year old who would give you a pile of children and not be a bad wife (considering). But I had found her aged 26 – the 5 year delay was (mostly) mine as I realised I’d need to have some kind of larger income to afford a pile of kids.
I was fortunate in my career change. I have no illusions that, say, had I been less fortunate or been made redundant, she’d necessarily still be around. “It is what it is”.
Still, men have their own frailties – and women are usually involved there, too.
@aussiemania: I remember when the Naval expeditionary strike group I was assigned to moored in Perth. The Aussie women were literally lined up on the pier waiting to take sailors out for a night out on the town complete with fornication (or adultery for those that were married). I swear it. You have my word. They were lined up on the pier and we just pointed at the one we wanted and they came a running.
Cynthia writes: ” It’s hard to locate a good Catholic guy (and by this, I literally mean finding them; my husband and I were in the same parish, attended the same Mass most of the time, and I wouldn’t have met him if it hadn’t been for the Internet). Statistically, I feel like an outlier.”
Yes, yes, yes. There surely must be single church-going Catholic women in my parish. Maybe even at the masses I attend. Women who might like a date every now and then. Not to argue theology or even talk about the church at all. Just to spend time with someone with whom you have at least one thing (being Catholic) in common. But I have literally no way to discover who these women are. And this is apparently how the Church wants it to be, since the social activities that our parents used to meet and interact with their fellow Catholics, were killed off about a generation ago. Thanks a lot for that.
Yes friend American, even during WW2 the girls used to line up in front of Sydney Town Hall ‘waiting for their dates’. Our boys were of course so jealous we had a phrase ‘oversexed, overpaid and over-here’ and it erupted into:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Brisbane
And that’s sad. Chivalry blinded us to the real problem, Australia was one of the first places to grant women equal voting rights for example, soon after Federation in 1900.
My mum was an Irish Catholic Maureeen O’Hara lookalike who could have married any boy from her church as she constantly told us, but chose my dad, a leather jacketed motor bike atheist with no job (in the 1950s!) who grew up barefoot in the streets while she was a middle class princess, both born in the Depression.
So I knew about hypergamy as a child but chose to believe ‘not all women are like that’ a delusion constantly shattered. All this talk of boomers gets me because I grew up with an entitled princess from 1930. Dad also had en evil stepmother (fed her child in the kitchen first and stepkids had to wait on the porch ‘with the dogs’) and trained me to be suspicious of women but I thought he was too negative. Turned out dad’s feral family have ancient royal blood (but also hard fighting settler stock). It took me 60 years to realise dad was right AWALT, but I was very red-pilled by women’s behaviour in the 70s. We men have been fooled and in denial and it continues until we wake up.
@aussiemania: What made such situations even more insane in my opinion is that, in those years (1980s), Australia had more than it’s share of brave alpha males. I’m speaking of the type of man I respect, one who would put it all on the line if they believed the situation genuinely called for it.
There was never a lack of respect for the Aussie male by the vast majority of my comrades-in-arms in the 1980s, just the opposite. We understood that Aussie men worked hard, partied hard, and fought hard.
But, there was a lack of respect from the Aussie female for the Aussie male that resulted in situations like we’ve both recounted that clearly highlight how messed up this lack of respect by Aussie women could get. Certainly, in hindsight, our own role in that was not respectful to anyone including ourselves but we were young (18-23), dumb (rocket scientists don’t go enlisted Navy/Marine), and full of *** not mature enough to consider the damage that enabling those females was having to Australian society. For my generation, younger than your own, I apologize and know that I will never ever play that role in enabling that female behavior again so long as I live.
“….a lack of respect from the Aussie female for the Aussie male”
Anglo women with their Anglo men in geographic isolation. Sound familiar? Anglo women are spoiled beyond words and it plays out with criticism of men and comical lists of demands for a potential suitor. .
Don’t apologise American, nothing to apologise for. You’re our distant cousins and, for example, my Dad said after the fall of Singapore 1942 there was despair in Sydney until one day we saw the American planes flying in and there was dancing in the streets, ‘Don’t knock the Americans, they saved us in the war’ he said (he was only 14 in 1942). You did well. You deserved your R & R, no regrets. The problem is bigger than any of us realised. Dalrock gets it.
https://willsrandomweirdness.wordpress.com/2018/12/23/japanese-wwii-propaganda-to-demoralize-australian-troups-by-suggesting-yanks-were-screwing-their-women-while-they-had-to-make-do-with-new-guinean-ones-in-the-jungle-nsfw/
The unbelievably huge Pacific WW2 mobilisation was surely the equal of D Day but far more complex and protracted so they’ll never get it all in a movie. I’ve heard old men speak in awe about the sheer amount of assets the US sent, thousands of brand new 6 wheel drive trucks had to be disposed of, driven over cliffs after the war, whole islands were leveled. American fighting men suffered beyond imagining. Then Korea, Vietnam, Cold War, Americans came to Australia for R & R and we were glad to see them. It wasn’t just ‘US Imperialism’ whatever that means. Australians had always feared vast numbers of Asians to our north and our govt begged the US to intervene in the 1960s. Remember radar only came in at the end of WW2 so no one could really gauge the threat. We were all groping in the dark compared to now, we all did the best we could with what we knew.
My Guru was adamant, that we should be Zorba the Buudha. Live in the world, but not of the world.
Or as Christ spake, “render unto Ceasar”
aussiemania: You’re 100 percent correct that the problem, which Dalrock articulates so well, is now systemic across Western Civilization. Well said.
@aussiemania, American
But, there was a lack of respect from the Aussie female for the Aussie male that resulted in situations like we’ve both recounted that clearly highlight how messed up this lack of respect by Aussie women could get.
Yup.
Back in the days of my own Navy career, I once pulled a four-month deployment on one of the aircraft carriers for an Indian Ocean cruise. I was based out of Southern Europe at the time and took a 14-hour QUANTAS flight (to this day the best flight on a foreign airline I’ve ever had) to Perth to meet the carrier, which was in port there at the time (this was, IIRC, in August or September of 1981).
I was young at the time (early 20s), horny, blue pill, and a lapsed Christian, but even I knew better than to try to “start something I couldn’t finish” (and yes, the reputation of Aussie women in the U.S. Navy was well known). Ergo, I spent my time in Perth “taking in the sights,” rather than chasing skirt.
I’ll never forget an example of the above quote that happened one afternoon while I was on a public bus riding through Perth. This was well before “the Red Pill” was even a concept, but, looking back on it, the incident was probably my first introduction to it.
On this bus were a bunch of us American sailors, a bunch of Aussie women, and, unfortunately for them, some Aussie sailors as well. I’ll NEVER forget the behavior of the Aussie women toward their own sailors, calling them “Aussie shits!” and other far less polite epithets. At that moment I remember thinking to myself “now that is just DAMNED disrespectful!” It effectively, right then and there, put Aussie women on my shit list. I really empathized and sympathized with the Aussie sailors and thought about how I would feel and react if the situation were reversed and they were on shore leave in the U.S. and American women treated American sailors in the same way.
I most certainly had local women approach me while I was in Perth, but I always made it clear that I wasn’t interested. It was HILARIOUS to watch their reaction to being turned down. After showing how offended they were, they made it clear that they thought I was either gay or a creepy serial murderer.
@Larry,
My parish is one of the larger ones in our city, and has both a 20-30s group and a “silver singles” group for people over 55. I was in the 20s-30s for a while, but you can imagine how that was. My husband later told me he didn’t even know about it, and I suspect he would have given up on it as well.
I suppose that our priest may have introduced us, had he known either of us were looking. He’s an old school guy who really encourages marriage. But that’s part of the problem, isn’t it? We’re not connected with each other anymore. Not in our churches, not in any way that really matters. We’ve retreated into ourselves and abandoned the social structures that used to help us with the really important decisions.
Cynthia-I met my husband at 28, and my story is similar to yours. We went to the same Church for 5 years (I had moved to the area) and met each other at a fitness event. We didn’t even realize we belonged to the same parish until I invited him to Mass after a dinner date.
Why did I hold out so long for a husband? Self-respect. I stayed a virgin and didn’t date much. I’m naturally an introvert and I have myself to blame for not changing my shy personality I suppose.
My husband criteria was simple:
1. Be fit. I’m 5’9 and 125 pounds, and go the gym 5 days a week. I waited 3 decades to have sex. I’d like my husband to be attractive.
2. Family matters. So does religion. My parents are still married and loving. I don’t want a product of divorce.
3. Money/Career. I’m upper-middle class. Don’t spend frivolously-I don’t. Career stability is important.
When we got married, he moved out of his apartment into my house. By purchasing my own home, I was able to perfect my domestic skills for the past 5 years. It was just me living there (nursing education, debt paid off, and I now have a job where I get full time pay working two days a week), so I had an abundance of time to keep and clean house, landscape, and cook all by myself. No one else was going to do it for me.
Was it lonely? Yes. But worth it. Will we have a large family? Most likely 2-3 children. Married life is awesome.
But that’s part of the problem, isn’t it? We’re not connected with each other anymore. Not in our churches, not in any way that really matters. We’ve retreated into ourselves and abandoned the social structures that used to help us with the really important decisions.
That sums up perfectly the state of both the church and the wider culture. The god of Individualism, and the mobility that goes along with it has utterly destroyed any sense of community that there once was. This of course suits The Powers That Be perfectly. Rootless, atomized, unconnected people without family or strong community to be part of are much easier to manipulate and control. That the church has not only accepted the status quo, but is going along with TPTB in maintaining it is a major cause of its own irrelevance and slow death.
Cynthia, parishes in my area never had the social framework that put on events like picnics or dinners or mixers or what have you. This is a new area with new parishes, so everyone talks about the events that they remember from “back home” but here, we have nothing.
I am more than capable of meeting people if provided an opportunity. It’s always been ironic to me that “church” is the place where I don’t know anyone and never have.
Parishes have 4000+ registered families so I can’t possibly but any blame on the overworked priests for not knowing the single people individually, But they and the lay people who control the parishes imagine that a weekday seniors bible study group is a sufficient “social life.” Maybe it’s the only thing that ever kept any momentum, I don’t know.
TAC white knights saying women are more devout than men…
If you define devout as being willing to play dress-up and meet with the other girls to gossip and sing songs about how Jesus is my boyfriend, then yes women are more devout.
If you define devout as the pursuit of the transcendental, then women don’t even come close to men.
Larry,
The leaders, priests in your case, don’t have to do all the work, they just have to enable it. Few Christian leaders want to give up enough control to enable these kinds of events, unfortunately for all of us.
All these articles i have seen over the last 5 years from women i cant find a man are insane if you reverse the sexes. I cant find a woman ( they literally dont exist )would b meet with the harshest criticism to ever cross the internet ending with the writer being fired from their job and shuned out of public light. When people found out that the dummy who would write such an article actually has been turning down women for decades this would lead to a new mental disorder classification.
It would b appropriately named after part of the name of this man. 95% of women have this disorder.
BillyS, I don’t expect Catholic priests to do ANY of the work of having social activities in their parishes. This was never so in days of old, when Father might attend the parish carnival and glad-hand with everyone, or he might poke his head into the gym on CYO basketball night. The organizing and running these activities was done by the parish community itself. Because parishes used to be true “communities”. But now they’re not. Oh sure, they still use the word, but there’s nothing for anyone to actually “do”. My dad and his buddies used to get together and do buildings and grounds work on Saturday mornings. And bring their sons along to see the importance of volunteering and hanging out with “the guys”. But nowadays, parishes have paid employees doing that work. Nowadays a bizarre “Catholic man culture” is presented on oddball web sites that imagine “brandy and cigars” as signs of manhood. These are apparently the men that Anna Hitchings is hawt for.
@feeriker: 1981 for you, 1982 for me. Let’s not get it twisted. The truth is though lapsed, that Christian upbringing paid dividends. In hindsight, a blessing for you. Watching men succumb to alcoholism and sexual immorality (including standing in line at the corpsman after liberty to get their shot for the STDs they picked up) is not a pretty sight. That didn’t happen to me, I was fortunate. But many others were not so lucky. The best solution is to not have the problem. I know that now, and I implement this wisdom.
Are any Catholic readers familiar with a podcast called the Mike Church show? They devoted an episode to the original article in their ” Red Pill Topics” category. https://veritasradionetwork.com/christian-women-proclaim-an-endangered-species-realus-manus-the-mike-church-show/
It’s members only, but here are some of the show notes:
“Where are all the good men for our daughters?”
“We need to get our young men to think about the qualities and characteristics of a Knight.”
“Leaving the Catholic faith so you can shack up with a man is just like Catholics becoming Protestant because they don’t like to go to confession.”
“Are you instilling in them the love and admiration of women?”
“A Knight dies for his King and his country.”
“The decay of chivalry was a significant part was the decline of being reverent to Our Lady.”
“It became more about how do you “seduce” the lady instead of how can you respect and treat the lady right.”
It’s perfect timing for a “Chivalry Conference/Crusade” they’ll be running tomorrow: https://www.mikechurch.com/shop/raising-chivalrous-young-men-in-an-increasingly-decadent-society/
“DISCLAIMER: The Knights of Columbus, Catholic Diocese of Metuchen, and the Catholic Community of St. James are not responsible for the content of this event.”
That doesn’t sound encouraging.
Larry,
We didn’t have much youth activities in the local parish I was in during high school. (I was in the RCC until college.)
That was in the late 1970s, so things were already getting to be in place then.
BillyS, my childhood parish didn’t have “youth activities” either. We had CCD classes (taught by our priest who was ordained in the 1940’s) and that was all. Everything else that happened in the parish was as true “community”. Either fathers and sons doing maintenance work, mothers and daughters doing cleaning, and fundraisers where everyone – young, old, married,single – worked together for the common good. If a modern day “youth minister” had been time-transported into our parish back then, he surely would have been laughed out of town.
Why is anyone concerned that a 30 year old woman is unable to find the man she wants? If she were marriage material, he would have found her in her 20s. Men aren’t having trouble finding women to marry, every 5 years there’s a new crop of 20 year olds to choose from. And every year she can’t find a man, her future husband marries one of them.
Stop trying to find the right man and just try to be the right woman. Women who view it as the man’s job to impress her are losing at the marriage market every single day.
The most telling point in the article is about the dearth of decent 25-35 year old men.
Putting aside her ‘wordly’ wants, she’s fishing in the wrong pond. There would be plenty of men in their 40s and early 50s interested in her, but she sees her cohort as men a couple years older to TEN years younger than her.
In conclusion, I need to weigh my stock portfolio toward pet supply companies for the foreseeable future.
Stories like that remind me that MGTOW is the only rational answer to modern Western women. When I decided to marry 37 years ago, I asked my parents to find me a wife and I gave them a few qualifications. The first was that she be very young, (18 when she married me), so that I could train her easily. Also that she have no desire tp work outside the home, but rather want lots of kids (she wanted 8) and to keep house. These days if our son asked me to find him a wife, I would only have prayer. When our oldest daughter did ask me to find her a husband, one came in 2 days and married her 21 days after they met. Our middle daughter had a guy since elementary but he asked me. In fact, he “bought” her from me with a small plastic elephant in front of her to show how much she meant to him (much to all our amusement, but there was a serious intent there). She now is with child also.
Perhaps as the desperation of dried wombs grows, more women will wake up as Betty Friedan did to the stupidity of thinking. And if not, Islam will teach them what Churchianity refuses to.
Larry,
Very little “community” as far as I know in our local Parish.
Very little “community” as far as I know in our local Parish.
I think that’s characteristic of nearly ALL American churches today, unless they’re in a very small rural town, or are part of a very small and insular denomination.
Churches today have absorbed the secular culture in every other aspect of life, so why would they not be as atomized and disconnected as every other cultural demographic group or institution? I don’t think there’s anyone here who has been attending church for any length of time over the last, say, 30 or so years who would argue with the statement that in most churches, even those with under 100 regular members, you could see the same people every Sunday for a decade and still not be able to really get to know them.
John James R says:
May 16, 2019 at 6:05 pm
“….a lack of respect from the Aussie female for the Aussie male”
Anglo women with their Anglo men in geographic isolation. Sound familiar? Anglo women are spoiled beyond words and it plays out with criticism of men and comical lists of demands for a potential suitor. .
It won’t surprise you that for at least the last 2 Census’s in a row carried out by the government in Australia, exogamy, or marriage outside one’s ethnic group, accounted for around 56% of all Australian marriages. The most common pairing is the Anglo / European man and the Asian wife. I myself have an Asian wife.
In Australian churches, the face of the female Christian is Asian, or Indian. If she is Anglo / Euro, she is middle-aged or old.
These two things tell you everything you need to know about the Australian woman. She is entitled, spoiled, has astronomical expectations, has seen more knobs than a locksmith and is constantly looking over your shoulder for the next hypergamous conquest.
My own son lives in Europe and is marrying an eastern European, traditional catholic Christian woman. When he was in Australia on holidays he once said to me, “If I was living here I would have an Asian or Indian girlfriend. No way on God’s green earth would I have an Australian woman.”
says it all, really.
Another photo surfaces over at Drehrer’s cuckservative blog … seems like she was quite pretty when she was younger (I know, I know, for most guys here the woman in the pic is a 3, maybe a 4 on a good day, because it’s the internet …). All the more reason to avoid delaying on cashing in your chips as a woman, a true cautionary tale: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/agony-hope-christian-courtship-anna-hitchings/
I haven’t read the post there … I don’t have any interest in reading stuff there but I did see the pic and it seems relevant.
Don’t know if anybody mentioned this yet, but Dr. Worldlywise is a misleading character in Bunyon’s famous “Pilgrim’s Progress” who advises people to trust solely in Legality and Civility.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pilgrim%27s_Progress
““De facto polygamy is essentially what we have now in the West”
Not in America. We have serial monogamy as the official system.
Only a small percentage of guys have exclusive relations with more than one woman at a time (5%? 10%?). There have always been some men like that at the top and bottom of the socio-economic ladder: the aristocracy and the bad boys.
Men in the big middle lack the money to maintain multiple women and are too constrained by social forces.”
I think you are discounting the reality that a very significant proportion of the single female population are part of some man’s alpha harem. In my observations, every reasonably attractive(ie. not fat) single middle-aged woman who is not currently monogamously paired-off has a FB, somewhere. Not unusual at all for a very physically attractive man to have three or more women in his rotation. This keeps a lot of women effectively off the market for less hot men.
Lots of soft polygamy out there.
Anna Hitchings answered her critics and spoke more about the struggle of finding a good man in this podcast
https://www.thiscatholiclife.com.au/e/episode-3-a-good-man-is-hard-to-find/
She didn’t “answer her critics” at all. She just parroted her initial misinformed assertions and gave no indication that she learned anything at all from the discussion that ensued. “I only get attracted to a man once every 3-4 years.” What a basket case.