Any day now she’ll see I’m the man for her!

Stephen Green at Instapundit linked to an article on nearly all house democrats sponsoring a transgender sports bill:

HEINLEIN’S CRAZY YEARS (CONT’D): 234 House Democrats, Two Republicans Co-Sponsor Bill Forcing Schools To Let Male Athletes Compete On Girls’ Sports Teams.

Predictably this led to much celebration amongst conservative commenters (as the real feminists).  One commenter wrote:

Congratulations. What better way to tell the female half of the population that no matter how hard they work, or how good they become, the system will always be stacked against them, and society encourages this.

Another replied:

Make no mistake which fraction of society is promoting this. The lesson women need to take from this is that the democrats and left are willing to throw them under the bus to cater to a mentally ill splinter.

My response to the latter comment:

This is the political equivalent of the beta orbiter excitedly waiting in the wings for a woman to realize that she’s been wasting her time on bad boys for years, when her prince charming was right in front of her all along. Republicans aren’t going to win the feminist vote because of this.

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86 Responses to Any day now she’ll see I’m the man for her!

  1. Charles B says:

    Dems r the real sexists!

  2. Damn Crackers says:

    Nothing makes me laugh more than the Tranny vs. TERF battles.

    The proper response to this Bill would be to say, “Great. Now all those girls will have more time to work on their home ec skills.”

  3. It points out the absurdness of women’s sports. Pass the bill.

  4. MK Riker says:

    I’m loving the issue of trannies taking over woman’s kiddie leagues as it’s not only revealing what a joke women’s sports are, but also revealing that all that conservatives really care about conserving are the left’s prior gains.

    I’ve been having fun with it on twitter, and virtually none of the conservatives I’ve engaged with have any clue that promoting woman sports is anything but a conservative issue.

    I’ve been redpilled 10 years or so now, and still find myself at a loss for words.

    Here’s a good example from 2 days ago: https://twitter.com/MKRiker2/status/1115637337910730753

  5. dragnet says:

    This throws into sharp relief a core truth our time: that modern American politics is really just the various factions within globohomo & the Left battling for supremacy. These commenters don’t get that this is what a mop-up operation looks like—for the other side. American conservatism has failed to actually conserve anything at all, as evidenced by the fact that many of the Instapundit commenters are desperate to be seen as The Real Feminists in the room.

    Anyone who wants to know why the alt-right is a thing, should just read through that post.

  6. Asaph says:

    _Neo-leninist are the real transphobes_

  7. William of Orange County says:

    As an accelerationist I say accelerate.

  8. Asaph says:

    I actually support it because it will at least put to rest some aspect of the “whamens are stronk and independent” meme. Which will rustle quite a few jimmies.

  9. BillyS says:

    Some of this is completely appropriate. Make them live by the same standards they shove onto the rest of us. I know they will never like me, but I don’t care about that.

  10. Rudolph says:

    Not only have conservatives failed to conserve anything they seem to make it a point of pride that they don’t want to conserve anything. Somehow not being an authoritarian leftist has become poison the environment and do away with the EPA.

  11. DR Smith says:

    Meanwhile, out of the shadows, speaks the former still very much living pope of the RCC saying some inconvenient truths about what is wrong in the West: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ex-pope-benedict-contradicts-pope-francis-in-unusual-intervention-on-sexual-abuse/ar-BBVPLPT?ocid=mailsignout

    Very interesting article…makes me wonder now why he ‘retired’. Seems more like he was pushed out for his views that clearly don’t align with the “modern” church, i.e. feminist, cultural Marxists, and the global elite that want to turn the West into their own personal cesspool

  12. seventiesjason says:

    wow…..just two republicans….sound like a huge majority are now beta orbiting simps. Names addresses of them! The 234 Democrats???? Nah…..we’re afraid of them!

  13. Honestly of all the things women could be doing, sports seems the most harmless and with the obesity epidemic, of all the oxen to be gored, it seems we should gore that one last.

    Of course if they were men, would they be congressmen?

  14. Heidi says:

    Maybe this will kill Title IX eventually, which would be beneficial. However, I do not like any acceptance of men as women (or women as men). Give it 15 years, and most people will be saying “of course a woman can have a penis or a man a vagina” because social pressures and legislation are so strongly encouraging this nonsense. And ordering society according to plain falsehood does not lead to anything but sin and madness.

  15. Anonymous Reader says:

    It’s always entertaining to see what a divided Congress can come up with in the way of “pointless, no chance of passing, but soothes a constituency” bills. The Dems can preen in their rainbow virtue signaling while remaining secure that nothing will actually be enacted into law.

    Getting cuckservatives to “out” themselves is merely a bonus. Extra whipped cream on top.

  16. I just checked my rep to make sure he did not vote for this madness. It appears he did not. I never used to believe that 100+ house reps would not qualify for a credit card, but I don’t doubt that now. I question the sanity of so many members of our congress.

  17. CSI says:

    35 years ago the idea of a MtF transsexual athlete trying to compete against women was regarded as so ridiculous it was fit only for a Z-grade slasher film (1984’s Fatal Games). It shows how far we’ve advanced as a society that this idea is now taken seriously.

  18. feeriker says:

    I question the sanity of so many members of our congress.

    Then you also have to question the sanity of the votards who elected them (and keep re-electing them).

  19. AnonS says:

    We will just move to XX and XY chromosome sports that will “welcome all genders” to either league.

  20. feministhater says:

    This is great! Let it pass! Wow!

  21. Anonymous Reader says:

    @CSI
    35 years ago the East German women’s teams for the Olympics featured more than one man who had been doped up with estrogen and other chemicals. Then it was a form of cheating, now it’s a form of liberation.

    Back in the 40’s and 50’s it was fairly common to perform lobotomies on some people. Now we look at that as insanely cruel. At some point in the future, treating “gender dysphoria” with hormones and surgical mutilation will also be regarded as insanely cruel and medical malpractice.

    Because it is.

  22. Then you also have to question the sanity of the votards who elected them (and keep re-electing them).

    I do.

  23. Jim says:

    This is great! Let it pass! Wow!

    Seconded. They never gave a shit about my rights so why should I care about theirs? So cry me a river.

  24. Heidi,

    Maybe this will kill Title IX eventually, which would be beneficial.

    Title-IX is already a joke. Seriously, could you ever imagine this happening in college football or men’s college basketball?

    https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/3/14/18266117/olivia-jade-giannulli-lori-loughlin-daughter-usc-college-scandal

    So Lori Laughlin paid “someone” $500,000 so the girl’s “varsity” Water Polo coach would give daughter Jade a into USC with far less academic credentials. I think we can thank Title-IX for that. Why should USC girl’s water polo have that much clout over admissions? Title-IX is how.

  25. Frank K says:

    Welcome to Clown World:

  26. Charles B says:

    @Frank, the honkpill is the next great awakening indeed

    @Heidi, you have to understand that society is *already* run by fundamentally false and sinful premises, and will be destroyed unless those are corrected. This isn’t a change but an extension of the current sin.

  27. Charles B says:

    @ Frank K, the honkpill is the doorway to greater despair than even the black pill.

    @Heidi, society is already run on false and sinful premises. This is merely an extension of them, not a change in the nature thereof.

  28. Charles B says:

    Dang double comments

  29. Jonadab-the-Rechabite says:

    If a transsexual plays in the WNBA will anyone notice?

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  31. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    This is the political equivalent of the beta orbiter excitedly waiting in the wings for a woman to realize that she’s been wasting her time on bad boys for years, when her prince charming was right in front of her all along.

    A common Hollywood theme, with the Beta Orbiter sometimes being male, sometimes female.

    In many Hollywood teen films (particularly in the 1980s), you had an Ugly Duckling Girl (usually at high school) who was best friends (and in love with) a Really Nice Guy, who in turn loved the Prom Queen. At the end of the film, Really Nice Guy realizes that Prom Queen is a heartless bitch, and Ugly Duckling Girl is beautiful on the inside. So he invites her on a date.

    Whereupon Ugly Duckling Girl lets down her hair, removes her glasses, puts on a dress and makeup, and transforms into Beautiful Swan Girl — more beautiful than the Prom Queen.

  32. JRob says:

    If a transsexual plays in the WNBA will anyone notice

    We can look forward to not bothering to watch men who look like women, instead of not bothering to watch women who look like men.

    A fun read here:
    http://www.debbieschlussel.com/25923/wnba-the-joke-continues/

  33. Frank K says:

    the honkpill is the doorway to greater despair than even the black pill

    It’s basically saying that everything our “current year” society holds dear and sacred is stupid and absurd and is worthy of nothing more than ridicule. Of course, it also says that we are powerless to stop it, but we already knew that.

  34. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    many of the Instapundit commenters are desperate to be seen as The Real Feminists in the room.

    Ironically, Dennis Prager wrote an “I’m The Real Feminist” style article just this past week: https://www.dennisprager.com/are-women-malcontents/

    While ostensibly criticizing women as “malcontents,” Prager praises the achievements of feminism. His only complaint is that women are wrong to still be complaining, after all the good that feminism has achieved. Prager even praises Betty Friedan.

    I have decided to finally read what is widely regarded as the literary work that unleashed the modern feminist movement, Betty Friedan’s “The Feminine Mystique.”

    … I find it to be a well-written cri de coeur (cry from the heart). Historically speaking, there was always much to lament regarding the status of women.

    … her description of women who felt they had no sense of self because they were only someone’s wife and some children’s mother is emotionally compelling.

    But a big and troubling thought hit me while reading the book. In the 56 years since “The Feminine Mystique” was published, every complaint Friedan made regarding the situation of the American woman has been addressed. …

    Yet, if you were to listen to many American women today, you would think nothing has improved. …

    Yes, Prager thinks that earlier waves of feminism have improved things. He cites women being granted the right to pursue any careers, that women outnumber men in in college, etc.

  35. BillyS says:

    IBB thinks we should have voted for strong people like Mitt Romney! He wasn’t squishy at all!

    /sarc

  36. Anonymous Reader says:

    RPL quotes Prager
    Yet, if you were to listen to many American women today, you would think nothing has improved. …

    Well, yeah. Prager’s been divorced twice, might be he doesn’t understand women.
    Something – something – “tent in the wilderness” — something -something “contentious woman”.

    Yes, Prager thinks that earlier waves of feminism have improved things.

    Sure, because he’s a conservative feminist. A clueless, blue-pill one of course. That is why he is continually surprised by many events.

  37. Hmm says:

    @Heidi: “Give it 15 years, and most people will be saying “of course a woman can have a penis or a man a vagina” because social pressures and legislation are so strongly encouraging this nonsense.”

    You’re 15 years behind. It’s already forbidden in many places to assume that a woman has a vagina. This has led to some colleges banning “The Vagina Monologues” because it marginalizes unmodified trans women. Of course, banning it is a good idea anyway…

  38. vfm7916 says:

    I wholeheartedly agree with feministhater. Hoist the HonkFlag!

  39. feeriker says:

    If a transsexual plays in the WNBA will anyone notice?

    Only to the extent that the quality of play would be appreciably better than it is now.

  40. Nick Mgtow says:

    Jonadab-the-Rechabite says:

    If a transsexual plays in the WNBA will anyone notice?

    Well, the level of play would probably improve, so yeah, people would notice!

  41. Name (required) says:

    “ Hoist the HonkFlag!”

    It’s OK to be Honky!

  42. Nick Mgtow says:

    Feeriker, great minds think alike!

  43. Spike says:

    Surely all of the official sporting bodies weren’t so short-sighted so as not to be able to see this coming.
    I guess they are.
    How are the Olympics faring? Are we going to have genetic XYs identifying as women and then breaking all of the records, and then rescinding them all years later?
    I guess they will.
    I for one am going to sit back, watch and laugh.
    The Manosphere was ahead of this curve way before it was a thing.

  44. Nick Mgtow says:

    Spike, so will I.

  45. Nick Mgtow says:

    One of my friends said if it’s legal for women and girls to destroy men’s and boys spaces, like they do with Gentlemen clubs or with the girls did with the Boyscouts, so it’s for trans to destroy women and girl’s spaces. Equality!

  46. rocko says:

    And now the backlash has begun in earnest. Just ask tennis legend (and also openly lesbian) Martina Navratilova who is now bring shunned by portions of the LGBTQ+ABCDEFG community over her criticism of a tranny tennis player competing as a woman. They’ve pretty much referred to her as a transphobe because she stated she didn’t think it was fair to compete against a man pretending to be a woman. Now she didn’t say these words, but I think she might be referring to trannies as “abominations”, even though she’s not using that word just so she doesn’t piss off that portion of the population even more. If true, definitely a “pot meet kettle” kind of deal.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-47301007

  47. Anon says:

    One of my friends said if it’s legal for women and girls to destroy men’s and boys spaces, like they do with Gentlemen clubs or with the girls did with the Boyscouts, so it’s for trans to destroy women and girl’s spaces. Equality!

    Of course. There is one solitary good thing about transgenders, is that they destroy women’s sports (and make cuckservatives screech about it).

    Women openly say that female athletes should be paid the same as male athletes, even though women do not bring in anything near half the revenue in any particular sport. Trannies are an excellent punishment to women who demand that female athletes be paid far more than they bring in, as what little revenue women’s sports get will plummet (no one wants to turn on the TV and see trannies).

    Stupid Bruce Jenner should have transitioned in the 1970s – he could have held every female athletic record until the end of time, including in events he didn’t compete in as a male (like the 400m).

  48. rocko says:

    “If a transsexual plays in the WNBA will anyone notice?”

    Yes, mostly by the increasing number of “women” able to dunk. Heck, WNBA players may be finally able to perform the ever elusive alley oop.

  49. Anon says:

    Does anyone who what percentage of transgenders are MtF vs. FtM?

    I suspect that 90% are MtF, since the female gender is treated far better in society, and is the net recipient of most government spending.

    Every trans I have ever seen in real life (just three so far, thankfully) were all MtF. None looked like actual women.

  50. Anon says:

    Actually, this is a good way for a male athlete to double the length of his career.

    1) He competes as a man during his prime.
    2) At age 38 or so, he retires from male sports, becomes trans, and then competes from age 38-55 in women’s sports. He will still dominate if the sport is tennis, basketball, MMA, etc.

    Hence, a 35-year career at the top is achieved.

  51. BillyS says:

    Harder to sew something on that it is to chop it off Anon!

  52. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    And you needn’t chop it off to be a tranny. According to SJW-LGBTQ+ ideology, a “transwoman” is someone who identifies as a woman. You needn’t even reveal whether you have a penis or not.

  53. Nick Mgtow says:

    Anon says:

    Women openly say that female athletes should be paid the same as male athletes, even though women do not bring in anything near half the revenue in any particular sport. Trannies are an excellent punishment to women who demand that female athletes be paid far more than they bring in…

    Yes, Anon.of all of them, the funniest would be to see NBA withdraw its supoort to WNBA, and to see boys teams, boys who can’t become pro as men win the now equal bonuses of the female soccer players.

  54. Hmm says:

    Just wait until it comes to golf, and trans women get to use the ladies’ tees.

    Most commentators forget that the trans invasion actually began in 1977, when transsexual Renee Richards won the right to play in tournaments as a woman, But he/she/it had fully “transitioned”, and had been taking hormone therapy for many years already, and never ranked above 20th. So at the time it was not seen as a path for men to dominate women’s’ sports.

  55. Novaseeker says:

    Does anyone who what percentage of transgenders are MtF vs. FtM?

    I suspect that 90% are MtF, since the female gender is treated far better in society, and is the net recipient of most government spending.

    Every trans I have ever seen in real life (just three so far, thankfully) were all MtF. None looked like actual women.

    Used to be almost all MtF, before the recent push. I think the reason for that is that basically there are two kinds of MtF transsexuals (this comes from a book by Northwestern Professor Mike Bailey called “The Man Who Would be Queen”, and yes, trannies hate him because, having studied them, he understands more about them than they want anyone to understand): “homosexual transsexuals” and “autogynephilic transsexuals”. The first kind are the super-feminine, slight/slim/petite “bois” who don’t really fit in a masculine sense at all, and are gay — they are generally *not* liked by the gay community (gay guys like exaggeratedly macho types — think “The Village People”, not bois who are unmasculine) — so they opt to become transsexuals so that they can access “straight” men (in reality “bi” men who don’t admit that they are bisexual) for sex (yes, plenty of “straight” men have sex with transsexuals, that’s why there are always so many transsexual prostitutes and porn videos and the like) and not be subject to the pressures of the gay community to masculinize themselves. The second kind are (mostly) straight guys who like to cross-dress and imagine themselves as women, get aroused at the idea of themselves as women, and like to have sex while dressed as women … but most of them are not attracted to men, but are attracted to women. In other words, it’s an outgrowth of a male sexual fetish. Jenner is one of these. Most MtF transsexuals are of the autogynephilic variety, and these tend to not “pass” as women very well at all, because they are fetishists … it isn’t the case that they opted for transsexualism because they had a kind of feminine appearance to begin with. “Homosexual transsexuals” often pass very well, by contrast, because as guys they were very small to begin with and not very masculine looking (one of the main reasons they went trans to begin with), and so often you don’t recognize them as transsexual at all, which leads one to believe that all of the transsexuals one has seen have not looked like women at all — when it’s closer to reality to say that all of the autogynephilic transsexuals one has seen, that really don’t look like women at all to begin with — looked like obvious transsexuals, while the other ones you didn’t recognize as transsexual because they actually do pass unless you take an extra minute to scrutinize them closely (i.e., size of hands and feet, pretty much always a dead giveaway).

    Among women, fetishes have a very low incidence in comparison to men … there is no female equivalent of the “autoandrophilic” type where a woman gets aroused by the idea of herself as a man and so on … it doesn’t exist. So an entire category of male transsexuals doesn’t exist on the female side. And as for the gay transsexuals, the lesbian community is different from the gay community in that it doesn’t enforce “femininity standards” in a way that is in any way shape or form comparable to what happens in the gay community with exaggerated masculine appearance. To the contrary, many lesbians present — and have presented for a long time — in ways that are masculine and butch, and this is normal and accepted in the lesbian world. So unlike for male “gay transsexuals”, who feel almost forced out of the gay male community, the female equivalent of these (girls who are very masculine and butch) are not pushed out of the lesbian community, and so feel no great pressure to look for options like transsexualism.

    An interesting trend, however, is that among the young (college and HS), the number of FtMs is far outnumbering the number of MtFs. That is brand new. It isn’t clear why this is happening, but it likely has a lot to do with the recent push by transsexuals for their acceptance and so on, and how this is spread on social media sites that these girls are frequenting. But whatever the reason, something odd is going on because there are a lot of girls in HS and college who are now saying they are FtM, and this was never, ever, previously the case.

  56. Nick Mgtow says:

    Maybe you’ve heard about the woman who discovered alone the black hole picture, guys.

    https://bigleaguepolitics.com/woman-who-media-claims-created-black-hole-image-contributed-0-26-of-code/

  57. Opus says:

    Traanies seem to run the gamut from the entirely unconvincing to the highly plausible and petite and usually Thai, not that I have met any of the latter type but the Trannies I have met never convinced being too big, too tall and too masculine – why is it that always the biggest and most unsuited seem to have the need to cross-dress? Is it a simple as that the only women that are sexually interested in them would be other men. No matter how superficially convincing they do not have that scent of a woman.

    What is also a puzzle to me is how my late parents who were as Homophobic as any of their generation would with their friends – and they thought it the height of sophistication – attend the restaurant in London’s West End owned by Mr Danny La Rue who would later in the evening come in and in full costume sing a few songs. Here is a clip of La Rue on Prime Time English Television. If there was an American equivalent I cannot think who it would have been but perhaps you know otherwise.

  58. purge187 says:

    “Prager’s been divorced twice, might be he doesn’t understand women.”

    And yet he still encourages men to get married. Remember that notorious video?

  59. Damn Crackers says:

    @Nick Mgtow – Also, we’ve had plenty of pictures of black holes in the X-ray spectrum. This picture is the just the first to get the resolution to see an accretion disk in the radio spectrum.

    Ask yourself, do you remember several years ago when X-ray pictures of black holes were taken? If not, why?

    http://chandra.harvard.edu/xray_sources/blackholes.html

    https://www.space.com/1st-black-hole-photo-x-ray-neighborhood-views.html

  60. seventiesjason says:

    Opus. My mother loved Danny LaRue as well.

  61. Anonymous Reader says:

    Novaseeker
    An interesting trend, however, is that among the young (college and HS), the number of FtMs is far outnumbering the number of MtFs. That is brand new

    This has a name, “Sudden onset gender dysphoria”, and it is indeed new. The extreme case of “YouGoGirl” perhaps?

  62. 7817 says:

    This is the political equivalent of the beta orbiter

    Conservatives are beta. They accept the frame of liberals and agree with them on where to go, just not how to get there.

    Great men are rare and conservatives hate them as much as liberals.

  63. Novaseeker says:

    This has a name, “Sudden onset gender dysphoria”, and it is indeed new. The extreme case of “YouGoGirl” perhaps?

    Something weird is going on. Seems to be a conflux of status seeking (highest on the victimhood tree currently) for unattractive girls who are not socially successful in HS/college, social media mobs, and indoctrination.

  64. (((Gianttree))) says:

    I think we can all agree this is really funny. Let the different factions of the Left try to outcrazy each other.

  65. Damn Crackers says:

    OT – Anybody post this story yet?

    https://slate.com/human-interest/2019/04/women-no-strings-attached-sex-apps-advice.html

    “I’m an attractive, heterosexual woman who wants no-strings-attached sex. Where do I find non-creeps for that?”

    If you read the letter, she consults her gay friends who don’t understand her problem.

    Plus, always good to get your dating advice from a retired porn star.

  66. feeriker says:

    Damn Crackers says:
    April 12, 2019 at 12:41 pm

    Any woman looking to tattoo a HAZMAT sign on herself couldn’t do it better than to go the route this one is going. It would be hilarious to chrystal-ball ten years down the road to see what happens she finally decides she wants commitment after she washes out as a turboslore.

  67. Frank K says:

    Very OT, but made me laugh:

  68. thedeti says:

    @ Red Pill Latecomer:

    A common Hollywood theme, with the Beta Orbiter sometimes being male, sometimes female.

    In many Hollywood teen films (particularly in the 1980s), you had an Ugly Duckling Girl (usually at high school) who was best friends (and in love with) a Really Nice Guy, who in turn loved the Prom Queen. At the end of the film, Really Nice Guy realizes that Prom Queen is a heartless bitch, and Ugly Duckling Girl is beautiful on the inside. So he invites her on a date.

    Whereupon Ugly Duckling Girl lets down her hair, removes her glasses, puts on a dress and makeup, and transforms into Beautiful Swan Girl — more beautiful than the Prom Queen.

    You’ve just described the plot of most John Hughes films starring Molly Ringwald.

    The Bizarro World Plot, Sold to Us As Real Life, No Kidding Guys This is How It Really Happens:

    1) Hot Jock Guy is shtupping Prom Queen. Hot Jock realizes Prom Queen is a bitch. He has some sort of vague attraction to Ugly Duckling Girl. After Prom Queen gets crazy drunk, Hot Jock professes his love for Ugly Duckling.

    2) Weird Dork Dude is friends with Ugly Duckling Girl. He somehow gets into Hot Jock’s booze party. Hot Jock gives drunk Prom Queen (and a really nice car) to Weird Dork. Prom Queen finds herself vaguely yet irresistibly attracted to Weird Dork, and they share a kiss.

  69. thedeti says:

    @ Nova:

    The first kind are the super-feminine, slight/slim/petite “bois” who don’t really fit in a masculine sense at all, and are gay — they are generally *not* liked by the gay community (gay guys like exaggeratedly macho types — think “The Village People”, not bois who are unmasculine)

    Interesting. You’re describing “twinks”. I thought there was some niche of gay men who were attracted to twinks. There’s also the niche market for “bears”: Overweight gay men (Think Andrew Sullivan).

  70. thedeti says:

    Here’s the latest on the Warhorn series on Marriage that Tim Bayly has.

    https://warhornmedia.com/2019/04/05/marriage-5-when-your-dear-wife-says-no-b/

    –The call to obedience should be in premarital counselling.

    –The vow to “obey” should be in every bride’s vows by requirement of her beloved session’s marriage policies.

    –The wedding homily should always command the bride to submit to her groom as it commands the groom to love his bride.

    –The post-marital counselling should probe both matters for growth in godliness.
    ___________________

    This is his partial list. And he’s not wrong.

    Most marriages over the past 50 years have started out completely backwards. The wife runs the show. The husband submits to her and respects her, while she hates him.

    Women (including most Christian women) spend their youth having sex with men who won’t marry them. Then they settle for men they’re not sexually attracted to. As “compensation”, she internally declares “well, if I have to accept him, I will be in charge. I make all major decisions, including when sex happens and under what circumstances. And he’ll just have to deal with that, or no sex for him and I’ll just divorce him and take him to the cleaners.”

  71. 7817 says:

    What do you think of this quote from that piece Deti?

    Too, if the Apostle Peter says (1Peter 3:1, 2) the solution for loveless husbands who don’t believe is winning them through submission, wouldn’t it follow that the solution for rebellious wives who don’t believe is winning them through love? What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

  72. 7817 says:

    2 more excerpts from Bayly’s previous article in the series:

    It’s often the case that the man whose wife won’t submit to him has himself significantly contributed to her lack of respect and rebellion. Many times, the husband himself is deeply bound to his own flagrant sins. Husbands who complain to their pastor or elder that their wife is unruly and won’t submit often themselves are in obvious rebellion against God. Yet they expect you to overlook that fact and focus on their wife.

    Sadly, the sort of husband who demands his pastor or elders reduce his wife to submission to him is the sort of man who is generally pathetic. Often he can’t face his own failures in leadership, so he drops his wife on the pastors and elders demanding they do what he couldn’t or wouldn’t.

    Don’t let him manipulate you into feeling responsible for his dilemma. You can pity him. You can sympathize with him. You can help him. But don’t let him place the responsibility for his wife’s conduct in his home on you. He married her. His sins have added to the problem. He bought the farm and now he is responsible to run it.

    Bayly says you’re on your own kids.

    I think that’s fine, but the next step is to find someone who does want to help.

    Enter the manosphere.

  73. Anonymous Reader says:

    @deti, @7817
    Links to both essays were posted in earlier comment threads. I read them and saw no point in discussion here. As is common with Bayly, there’s some truth in each article. The usual “give with one hand, take back with the other” as well.

    Consider this: there’s nothing actionable in either one. “Love your wife” in the current church world is a blank slate, or perhaps more like a blank check, because “love” has multiple meanings. Clearly a man is supposed to “Just Get It”[1] rather than ask questions that require detail. So what Bayly is doing is waving his hands around, quoting some of the Bible, and shoving the Average Frustrated Chump (AFC) with a contentious [2] wife out the door. A man can learn more reading the older Shaunti Feldhan book, or the original “Male Action Plan” by Athol Kay, than from celebrity pastors such as Bayly.

    Church leaders should be embarrassed that Athol Kay, former evangelist turned atheist, has more advice, better advice, and actionable advice in his “Male Action Plan” than all of the church types combined. The original MAP concludes with an evaluation wherein the man decides whether to divorce the wife or not; “having done the work, is the juice worth the squeeze?” is one way to put it. Now, that’s a bridge too far for a lot of churchgoing men who take their religion seriously, to be sure. The point is, the original MAP was designed to be put into effect starting “right now”, to have some expected milestones and a logical end point.

    This is how men think when they are solving a problem. This is totally alien to pastors, and that is a real problem that doesn’t get talked about.

    7817
    Enter the manosphere

    Exactly.

    [1] Rollo Tomassi has at least one essay on this, it is another case where the Female Imperative comes out of the mouth of a man (Bayly).
    [2] The book of Proverbs contains multiple references to “contentious wife”. So it should be OK for pastors to talk about such a thing, yet…nah. Some parts of the Bible are clearly off-limits…

  74. Oscar says:

    @ Jonadab

    If a transsexual plays in the WNBA will anyone notice?

    We’re almost there.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2012/12/04/college-basketball-transgender-player-gabrielle-ludwig-robert-ludwig-mission-college/1744703/

    There near the door sits the oldest (50 years old), tallest (6-feet-6, 230 pounds) and most muscular person in the room: Gabrielle Ludwig.

    “Come out and be Gabrielle the player,” head coach Corey Cafferata tells her. “You worked hard to get here. This damn team in here, everyone has your back!”
    ……….
    Few outside this room know it all comes back to that name. They don’t know she is 50 and last played a college basketball game in 1980 – as a man. They don’t know the odyssey: one failed suicide attempt, two failed marriages; one 19-year-old daughter who insists on calling her dad, two girls who insist on calling her Momma Gabbi.
    ………
    “Last time I played college ball, I was 20 years old,” Ludwig tells her team. “Walking out here 30 years later … ”

    Her voice is drowned out by the applause of young women who know in their hearts that the worst backlash, the worst of all, is only minutes away.

    That’s one giant ball of crazy. Read the article to see just how tangled the crazy gets.

  75. feeriker says:

    That’s one giant ball of crazy. Read the article to see just how tangled the crazy gets.

    So, are “her” (biologically) female teammates on board with “her” being part of the team? Do they not realize that “she” is going to completely pound all of them into the dirt (figuratively, though maybe even literally), ruining the sport for them?

    If they are, and if they don’t, there are no words in the language to adequately describe that kind of naive stupidity and cluelessness.

  76. Anonymous Reader says:

    Here is an article written last year by an endocrinologist on the issue of “trans-people”. It is important and informative. Here is an excerpt:

    This is further evidence that Jazz does not in fact have a “girl brain.” He has a boy brain. It is his mind that is giving him the trouble. This is a psychological condition, rather than a biological one.

    The authors of the book present false information to children and parents. Kids with gender dysphoria are not born that way. Jazz was born with a male brain that has not changed physically into a female brain. There are numerous psychological and social factors that account for the condition of gender dysphoria in children, some of which are discussed below.

    https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2018/04/21220/

  77. Anonymous Reader says:

    Personally, I welcome our new trans-girl athletic overlords.
    Because there’s no way a 50 year old could keep up with even intramural basketball vs. men.
    This once again teaches just how stronger and faster men are vs. women.
    The cognitive dissonance everyone involved, especially the girl players, is immense. Sometime, some way, it will crack.

    Blank slate “nurture is all” feminism will die one middle aged tranny athlete at a time.

  78. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Damn Crackers, I found this curiosity on that Slate sex site you posted:

    I am a person with a vagina, but I have never enjoyed vaginal penetration. But I do enjoy anal sex. How do I broach this with a potential sex partner without it being weird?

    I assume this is a tranny. A woman would say, “I’m a woman,” not “I’m a person with a vagina.”

    I’d answer, “Dude, you don’t enjoy vaginal penetration because your vagina’s not real. Also, gay men tend to prefer anal sex, so your fixation, while not normal, is to be expected.”

  79. Emperor Constantine says:

    OT

    Connected with Dr. Piper on Twitter via a dialogue he had with Rollo Tomassi.

    Have to say he has been a gentleman and has had some good insights on convenant marriage, but of course we have differences on the acceptable level of risk around legal marriage.

    In any case I hope the dialogue continues.

    I recommend Dalrock review Pat Campbell’s radio show for the discussion, maybe Rollo can provide that link.

  80. Frank K says:

    So, are “her” (biologically) female teammates on board with “her” being part of the team?

    They obviously have no choice. If they object, they’ll be kicked off the team and lose their precious scholarship, and let’s face it, that’s what they’re really there for, it’s not like any of them have a snowball’s chance in hell of playing in the WNBA. The scholarship means they graduate debt free, unlike their classmates who will be up to their eyeballs in debt when they get their sheepskins. So they will act dumb and pretend it’s normal. Not even someone like Navratilova can object. She tried and after being taken out back to the shed and getting a good beating she came back and meekly apologized for being “transphobic”.

    Just another day in Clown World.

  81. Frank K says:

    I assume this is a tranny. A woman would say, “I’m a woman,” not “I’m a person with a vagina.”

    Common sense would agree with you, but we now live in Clown World, and in Clown World you don’t need a vagina to be a woman. So who knows if this person is a man or a woman.

  82. American says:

    Haha! When the consequences of feminism come home to roost. Let the games begin! *grabs popcorn and turns on the television to watch trannys taking all the medals, trophies, and grants away from females*.

  83. OKRickety says:

    Emperor Constantine,

    The podcast of Pat Campbell’s radio segment with Dr. Piper and Rollo Tomassi can be found at Pat Campbell Podcasts. The segment you mention was on April 12, 2019 and is titled “The Rational Male-Marriage Showdown With Dr. Everett Piper“. I don’t know if it’s relevant but it was immediately preceded by a segment with only Dr. Piper titled “Dr. Everett Piper-Marriage, Democratic Candidates Column“.

  84. Jesus Rodriguez de la Torre says:

    As others stated here, I am fully cheering for mentally ill men to compete as women, just as I am content to have Sharia law overrun feminist countries. Nothing will improve until it all burns to the ground. Not only feminists, but the globalists, secularists, LGTBQRSXYZ and socialists need to kill each other or have the “religion of peace” do it. Something about a house divided against itself falling…was that Edgar Allen Poe and the fall of Usher or some obscure Rabbi that said that?
    I also have an ample supply of popcorn as I have maintained my tiny corner of the world sane. As I am expecting the one Man who can fix this return as absolute King (after slaughtering>70% ot the world’s population). My only question is if I will still be laughing at this 1 billion years in the future or if my future state of purity will devoid me of my morbid sense of humor. Either way, I look forward to trillions of years of happy life.

  85. Yer says:

    @Charles B
    Dems r the real sexists!

    This is a good connection. “Feminists are the real misogynists.” I know many in the “manosphere” like to pretend this stuff isn’t connected to broader political issues, but the idea that one can win on his enemies’ terms is a pathology that goes far deeper than this.

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