Weak men will screw feminism up.

Larry Kummer writes in Sexbots are coming. Society will never be the same.

This month’s news about falling rates of sexual activity should remind us about one of the next big things in tech – sexbots. They’re coming. We’re not ready.

Several of Larry’s readers struggled to see this catching on.  This is understandable, but we should consider sexbots not as an isolated threat to a healthy society, but as part of a slew of distractions young men could turn to in their formative years while they wait for their future wives to tire of having sex with other men.

What we’ve done as a society is radically rework both sexual morality and our family model under the slogan What could possibly go wrong?  As sickening as the idea of men turning to sexbots is, our foolishness in this regard is what should most disgust us.

In my comment on Larry’s post I included a link to the video I shared in Time and Fantasy, as this kind of product could serve as a gateway drug to sexbots.  Looking at Youtube I see there is a new development:

Note how difficult the aging feminist in the video finds it to respond to a young man marrying a hologram.  Despite her revulsion at the idea, she is compelled to note that she still sees herself as too young to settle down with a boring loyal dude, and she reflexively assures her audience that she would never judge someone for their sexual preferences.

Conservatives are equally uncompelling in their arguments for modern sexual morality.  The part of all of this that is most shocking is how long we’ve been able to coast by on inertia.  We rejected marriage and real sexual morality decades ago, and so far most men are still playing by the old rules.  I don’t think sexbots will radically change the equation in the near future, but it is truly foolish of us to reject marriage and sexual morality and expect young men to never take this rejection seriously, or even get distracted along the way.

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116 Responses to Weak men will screw feminism up.

  1. Nathan Bruno says:

    That woman is a walking offense. She appears on the gas station TVs. I stopped patronizing Speedways because of it.

  2. SnapperTrx says:

    “It should be illegal, even if its not real.”

    LOL.

  3. SnapperTrx says:

    That look at 2:50 when she realizes that the AI doesn’t “come with all that baggage”! LOL! She almost, ALLLLMOST had an epiphany, but then she decided “nope, not worth it” and turned it into a joke! This video is amazing! It shows the problem and one mans solution all in one!

  4. Scott says:

    The less they understand, the less inquisitive, the less introspective, the less curious–

    the MORE snark they lay on. It’s so weird.

  5. Dalrock’s post “Time and fantasy” is the essential summary of the current state of marriage. Especially this – a seldom mentioned driver of sexbot tech:

    “The pathetic young man above with the virtual girlfriend is engaging in one fantasy, but men like Fiene are trying to sell an equally absurd fantasy. The longer a young man engages with fantasy submissive women, the harder it will be for conservative Christians to convince him that what should turn him on is a bossy woman.

    “Time is the enemy in other ways. The longer a young man waits for women to be interested in marriage, the more he will be taught about the realities of modern marriage. He will watch movies like “Fireproof” and learn that a husband’s primary job is to constantly remain on guard, always scrambling to keep his contentious wife from becoming unhappy and divorcing him. This same message will be endlessly reinforced in articles like ‘The secret to a happy marriage may be an emotionally intelligent husband’, where he will learn that women are better at marriage because they have years of practice being catty, self centered, and dramatic …”

    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2017/02/10/time-and-fantasy/

  6. Jeff says:

    A lot of people looking at this graph are having a hard time figuring out the obvious – the sexual revolution has created a Pareto Distribution among young single men.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-americans-not-having-sex-has-reached-record-high/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.87822f330cdc

  7. feministhater says:

    Lol! She’s had dinner dates with the wall, she’s slept with the wall, she’s been molded by the damn wall and yet she still thinks marriage is an option for her in the future. Funny times.

    A hologram that merely speaks to the man in a loving tone is a better wife than modern women. Haha!

  8. Big20s says:

    Ha! Catlady is bothered.
    Sexbot = no getting it pregnant, no child support, it won’t say no (even if it did, wouldn’t matter lol), won’t get fat or wrinkly, will cook & clean once technology becomes advanced enough.
    Modern women best step up their game

  9. Anonymous Reader says:

    Scott
    the MORE snark they lay on. It’s so weird.

    It’s like the old Maslow comment about “hammer” and “nail”.

    Snark works well for girls in mid school and high school; it’s one of the main ways mean girls police the rest. Nowadays it works ok in college and the workplace and the online world; what is Slate or Buzzfeed but a blob of mean girls snarking? Yeah, ok, some of them have Y chromosomes, so what?

    The danger for young men is that in the feminized K – 12 world they unconsciously adopt girlish behaviors in an attempt to cope.

    Back to the OP:
    Nothing new to be seen, really. Currently in the US women file 70% of divorces, when that number hits 75% and then 80% will there be any real introspection? When a substantial minority of men under 30 prefer sexbots to women?

    Nah. It will continue to be All Men’s Fault. Dalrock’s Law will be confirmed once again.

    “Sexbots are all men’s fault because they are evil and want to hurt girls! Men need to put a stop to sexbots!”

    I wonder if Amazon is selling them yet?

  10. Big20s says:

    Should also add:
    Sexbot = won’t divorce rape you, won’t accuse you of domestic visa (although I don’t know why anyone would)

  11. Novaseeker says:

    The less they understand, the less inquisitive, the less introspective, the less curious–

    the MORE snark they lay on. It’s so weird.

    Yes. We see the same in the responses to last week’s WaPo article about the decline in sex (and how young men and women have very disparate rates of non-sex … something that surprises no-one in the sphere. The pretzeling and mumbo-jumboing around that across the internet was quite entertaining, but of course all failed to address the core fact that among people under 30, many more men are going sexless than women, meaning that those women are having sex with a smaller subset of the men. That was studiously avoided, because to focus on that would play into *our* narrative, given that there is no evidence that the disparity is covered by all of those women having sex with men from older cohorts.

    It’s the same here — when there are rather obvious explanations available, they are avoided and mocked because they are from a contrary narrative.

    The current paradigm has as one of its tenets that it is obviously true, so any dissent from it deserves nothing more than mocking derision — and so that is what they are doing generally.

  12. pdwalker says:

    Manjaw, vocal fry, unfeminine, post wall. Her grating voice would drive me to choose an anime character over her.

  13. Anonymous Reade says:

    The vid is pretty predictable, especially the brief moment when the girl tiptoes up to the edge of “what’s she got that I don’t…?” then backturns and slides away. Introspection hurts when everyone has told you how smart/great/hawt you are. Even more so when passive-aggressive snark is the baseline mode.

    I don’t have time to read YT comments today. Maybe later. If there’s too much redpill in them, I bet that she’ll shut them down fairly soon.

  14. Frank K says:

    From what I have read there is a booming business in Japan for sex dolls. These of course are not robots, but are remarkably realistic looking, even exceeding realism as they have figures that 99% of women lack. I expect the Japanese will be among the pioneers in the sexbot industry, as there seems to be less shame there than here for such things, though as we have seen here at home, things can change and fast.

    Sex and companion bots are a common staple in sci fi. In Spielberg’s “A.I.” an executive at a robot company admits that he not only works there, he’s also a customer, as he shows off a sexbot to other executives. In Asimov’s Foundation series, Hari Seldon is even married to a robot, Dors Venabili, and there was the The Stepford Wives. So we can see that the idea isn’t new, the only thing that has changed is that they will actually be feasible soon.

    As for the impact on society, it’s hard to say, as things are pretty much already derailing. 2019 would no doubt be utterly unrecognizable to someone from the 1950’s.

  15. Durasim says:

    Despite her revulsion at the idea, she is compelled to note that she still sees herself as too young to settle down with a boring loyal dude, and she reflexively assures her audience that she would never judge someone for their sexual preferences.

    That’s at least a consistent application of the ruling libertine ideology. If we’re not supposed to “slut shame” women who ride carousels, why shame low-status males who save up their money to buy expensive masturbatory devices? If the “sexbots” are not sentient, feeling creatures, there is no crime or violation of “consent” happening here.

    Of course, lots of feminists find such consistency unacceptable and outrageous and some are already demanding such devices be outlawed and their users punished. Because even what some omega male does with a latex mannequin in the privacy of his own basement is the concern of feminists.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6730555/Swedish-feminists-demand-ban-sex-robots-dehumanise-women-just-like-pornography.html

    https://www.feministcurrent.com/2017/04/27/sex-robots-epitomize-patriarchy-offer-men-solution-threat-female-independence/

  16. AnonS says:

    You can order them in the US. Apparently more Vasopressin (the male bonding hormone) is released with a replicant then with porn, which makes it four times more pleasurable. Minus all stress from drama.

    Men love cars for their engineering and providing geographic freedom. They will come to love replicants for the freedom they provide.

  17. Anonymous Reader says:

    AnonS
    Apparently more Vasopressin (the male bonding hormone) is released with a replicant then with porn

    Please provide a cite or reference.

  18. Jake says:

    She did experience a moment of pain when she said the what does miko have that I lack line. The truth will out i guess.

    This is why they hate “incels”. Omega men valuing a hologram over a flesh and blood woman? They are supposed to remain sexless virgins in a constant state of rejection. They aren’t allowed to go Galt! The two minute hates are coming faster and stronger for that community. Heard my dad use the term with a sneer (bluepilltradcon).

    You always mention women having an inflated sense of self, but how profoundly warped do you have to be to think being rejected by you is better than marrying a robot?

  19. Poptarts says:

    Bring on the sexbot revolution! It’s funny but I’m sure these sexbots can be made to be beautiful and programmed to be affectionate and give the beta/omegas love the way a real woman never could. In other words, they might be able to experience what the alpha gets on a daily basis. Nothing wrong and everything right with that. It’s called at least a little Justice in the world maybe.

  20. AnonS says:

    There haven’t been scientific studies. Just lots of first hand accounts of feeling the difference and the trend towards men engaging in mate guarding behavior towards their replicant. Equivalent to cat ladies using cats to scratch the itch of having children.

  21. Novaseeker says:

    This is why they hate “incels”. Omega men valuing a hologram over a flesh and blood woman? They are supposed to remain sexless virgins in a constant state of rejection.

    Which is why the hollering about it is nonsensical.

    Sex dolls and bots and the like are substitutes for guys who aren’t getting laid with any kind of attractive woman anyway. It’s not like they’re choosing them over an attractive woman — they’re not. The impact on attractive women is minimal.

    There is an impact on unattractive women, but it’s also indirect, because under the current system, even unattractive women are not sexing up unattractive men. They are ONSing somewhat higher SMV men (say female 3 with male 5), but male 3 is still left aside. So now he has a sex bot? So what?

    This is why the “harm” is really just hysterics.

  22. Expat Philo says:

    The thing that is missing from this discussion is that young men don’t want sex, per se, they want to be fathers. Sexbots will scratch the physical itch for a while, but they cannot bear children. The most successful sexbots will be equipped with rudimentary AI capable of performing chores the young man does not want to do himself and asking about his day, but it will simply be a washing machine with a convenient receptacle.

    Artificially induced oogenesis, artificial wombs, and the like are the things that would really wreck things. The funny thing is, none of those are too far off. All it would take is a sufficiently motivated young man with a modicum of intelligence to make sexbots look down right blase.

  23. Cane Caldo says:

    Note how difficult the aging feminist in the video finds it to respond to a young man marrying a hologram. Despite her revulsion at the idea, she is compelled to note that she still sees herself as too young to settle down with a boring loyal dude, and she reflexively assures her audience that she would never judge someone for their sexual preferences.

    Conservatives are equally uncompelling in their arguments for modern sexual morality. The part of all of this that is most shocking is how long we’ve been able to coast by on inertia. We rejected marriage and real sexual morality decades ago, and so far most men are still playing by the old rules. I don’t think sexbots will radically change the equation in the near future, but it is truly foolish of us to reject marriage and sexual morality and expect young men to never take this rejection seriously, or even get distracted along the way.

    The universal that I’ve noticed is that–once a person has observed that it is women’s choices driving the decline–the response to modern mating dysfunction is resignation. The nerd is resigned to it. The aging feminist is resigned to it. The conservative is resigned to it. The church is resigned to it. Confronting women is simply unthinkable.

  24. Cane Caldo says:

    @Novaseeker

    Which is why the hollering about it is nonsensical.

    I disagree that it is nonsensical. The sort of woman who wants to be lusted after by passing men wants unworthy men to feel the scorn. They holler about it because men like Kondo are anesthetizing themselves.

  25. Nick Mgtow says:

    SnapperTrx says:
    April 1, 2019 at 12:13 pm

    “It should be illegal, even if its not real.”

    For a simple reason, SnapperTrx: anything that takes away power from women
    * high value men having casual sex the women get no advantage from (being the mistress, the gf, but just being seen for what they are, easy sluts who would let rich men grab them by the middle…)
    * men having access to NSA sex (No strings attached sex) or prostitution…
    * marriage with prenup a judge will enforce
    *marriage with women having obligations…
    * Mgtow philosophy
    * Game and Pick up art,

    All of this takes away power the women have on the men. Men don’t have to crawl and grubble on the floor begging for a sniff, for a look or a thank you…

  26. seventiesjason says:

    Been reading about sex-bots, and artificial wombs for ten years now…..and “they’re coming” and “just right around the corner” and “men will finally not need women, and men will build a utopia!”

    Even if they do “come” and when they do……most men will not be using them. They will be too expensive, and the brothels of “sex bots” will be full of STDs and infections because they won’t be cleaned and sanitized properly……

    Will a need be served? Sure. Will most men do this? No.

    Remember “napster”? No one was going to have a problem with paying a few bucks a month for a membership. That was implemented and suddenly “no one” wanted a membership.

    Things will change, but this won’t be a “game changer”

  27. seventiesjason says:

    And a practicing Christian man shouldn’t be even considering any of the above anyway…..

  28. Lost Patrol says:

    …the aging feminist in the video …is compelled to note that she still sees herself as too young to settle down with a boring loyal dude…

    Not that they’ll need to, but showing women like this in sexbot adverts could boost sales.

  29. Opus says:

    I love the way leftists – who are sooooo self-righteously tolerant then demonstrate their intolerance towards anything that is not part of their alphabet soup of perversion and even though practiced in the privacy of their own home and with no other human present. lol.

    “I don’t want to shame anyone’s lifestyle or sexual preferences here” says Ms Lazar even as a few seconds earlier she had done just that – sixteen by-the-way is perfectly legal where I am. Actually, I too am planning to marry and not just one but three very cute Japanese (when they reach the age of sixteen) at least I will be marrying their image in a private and consensual ceremony.

  30. Nick Mgtow says:

    Jeff says:

    A lot of people looking at this graph are having a hard time figuring out the obvious – the sexual revolution has created a Pareto Distribution among young single men.

    Jeff, The Gini coefficient for the Tinder economy based on “like” percentages was calculated to be 0.58. This means that the Tinder economy has more inequality than 95.1% of all the world’s national economies.

    View at Medium.com

    But don’t young boys ever dare to rate their high school classmates by attractiveness ===> A group of teen boys rated their female classmates and those girls fiercely fought back https://www.scarymommy.com/teen-boys-rated-girls/

  31. john03063 says:

    I know a couple of guys who have dolls. They are very happy. Thinking of taking the plunge myself. Guys should keep their money and their sanity. Don’t interact with women until the laws change (which won’t happen until after society crumbles)…

  32. Anonymous Reader says:

    AnonS
    There haven’t been scientific studies. Just lots of first hand accounts of feeling the difference and the trend towards men engaging in mate guarding behavior towards their replicant.

    Emotional feelze. Sigh. Useless.

  33. Anonymous Reader says:

    AnonS
    There haven’t been scientific studies.

    Vasopressin and other compounds can be measured in samples of body fluids such as blood. Your claim has no support.

    Just lots of first hand accounts of feeling the difference and the trend towards men engaging in mate guarding behavior towards their replicant.

    Reports of feelze from incels are not a reliable source of information. Nothing personal.

  34. Nick Mgtow says:

    Jake says:
    April 1, 2019 at 2:34 pm

    She did experience a moment of pain when she said the what does miko have that I lack line. The truth will out i guess.

    This is why they hate “incels”. Omega men valuing a hologram over a flesh and blood woman? They are supposed to remain sexless virgins in a constant state of rejection. They aren’t allowed to go Galt! The two minute hates are coming faster and stronger for that community. Heard my dad use the term with a sneer (bluepilltradcon).

    You always mention women having an inflated sense of self, but how profoundly warped do you have to be to think being rejected by you is better than marrying a robot?

    Because men should try, Jake. Always. Men should be chivalrous. Open and not open the door. Make the first step but not be considered low value by her.

    Also, men have to respect her strength and independence, because she needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle, but intervene if she is attacked in the street by a random guy.

    Also, she needs orbiters. Women need men willing to be safety guys when they go out in nightclubs, and bring them from point A to Point B with their car, move their heavy stuffs and carry heavy loads for them, try to seduce them with gifts, protect them, and be on the backburner and wait for a chance, a glimpse, a light of hope to be chosen in last resort, 40 years after they said no to them, rather than just accept their fate and live selfishly for themselves. She might need them one day. Look at that video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I1_c1rMFeM

  35. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Those sex dolls look like … rubber dolls. Nothing like a real woman. I don’t see the attraction.

    Sex dolls will have to be indistinguishable from real women (as in many sci-fi films) before they’d gain any popularity with most men.

    But if sex dolls did reach that level of verisimilitude, I suppose even many Alpha man would choose them over real women. No threat of false rape charges, or unplanned pregnancies followed by 18 years of child support, or bitchiness, lying, and emotional drama.

  36. Frank K says:

    But if sex dolls did reach that level of verisimilitude, I suppose even many Alpha man would choose them over real women.

    I think this is what is driving the hysteria. Once they don’t smell of rubber, feel realistic to touch, have an AI that could pass a Turing test, do chores and cook, and are affordable (say $10,000), then every man can have a 10, a Miss Universe. And a lot of guys don’t want kids at all, or they know they can’t afford them. Sure, some men will say no, but many will say “take my money!”

  37. Frank K says:

    Sex dolls will have to be indistinguishable from real women (as in many sci-fi films) before they’d gain any popularity with most men.

    Maybe not indistinguishable, but “close enough” will be satisfactory for many men.

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  39. Frank K says:

    Been reading about sex-bots, and artificial wombs for ten years now…..and “they’re coming” and “just right around the corner” and “men will finally not need women, and men will build a utopia!”

    I think the biggest challenge at this point will be the skin, as they are still latex dolls that smell like plastic. I don’t think it will be possible to perfectly mimic the feel and smell of human skin, but as I said above given time they will get “close enough”.

    And I agree that no Christian man should ever consider owning or using one of these, but as we know all too well, what Christian men think these days carries very little weight.

  40. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    We live in bizarro world: https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/grandma-gives-birth-61-gay-son-husband-can-baby-123844293.html

    Grandma gives birth at 61 so her gay son and his husband can have a baby

  41. Hugh Mann says:

    I must say I’m glad I’m not hitting my 20s in today’s mating market. My sons seem to be surviving it better than I would have, but they’re taller and more Chadly.

    I find it hard to believe that bots will ever replace real women, yet people with knowledge tell me that high-end call girls are very pleasant to spend a night with, and yet they’re only there for your cash, you’ve rented them.

    I guess if the Chinese ever develop bot/human hybrids, with real flesh and blood, they could conquer the world much more easily than by military means. Not sure plastic and servo motors can do it.

  42. Hugh Mann says:

    Those film stars and beauties will please you tonight,
    If you go to bed with a book
    But they can’t hold a candle to something that trembles
    If you need to do more than look

  43. feeriker says:

    We live in bizarro world: https:

    Grandma gives birth at 61 so her gay son and his husband can have a baby

    No, that’s no bizarro, that’s the new normal. Grandma spoiling her four little grandchildren who are the legitimate offspring of her son and his wife, THAT’S now the new bizarro.

    Anyone care to join me in starting a colony somewhere in the Andromeda Galaxy?

  44. Expat Philo says:

    Feeriker,

    I’d settle for the moon or Mars.

  45. thedeti says:

    Nick MGTOW

    So it is now “objectification and misogyny” to rate girls at your high school.

    Keep in mind: These boys didn’t have sex with these girls, approach them, or touch them in any way. All they did was say some of the girls were hotter than other girls. All they did was rate some of the girls as more attractive than other girls. That’s all they did.

    One of the boys was punished for it. Given in school detention for a day.

    For rating girls’s attractiveness.

    We’re now living in a world in which boys can be punished for making observations about girls’ physical appearances. “Masculinity is toxic.”

  46. Ray6777 says:

    The guys that will use these are the ones that currently feed women’s egos and bank accounts on social media and online dating. Women don’t want to marry these guys but they do like the attention and free stuff. The guys are already living in a fantasy world where they think giving likes to a woman on Instagram means something.

  47. Anonymous Reader says:

    @NickMGTOW, Deti

    To quote Rollo Tomassi: This is what a “gender war” looks like.

    To all the men over 40: this is an admittedly extreme example of what K – 12 looks like. When you wonder “What’s wrong with those young men?”, reflect on this article. Imagine what kind of trouble you would have gotten in back when you were a teenager.

    To all the men with daughters: this is what’s being done to your potential future son-in-laws. I write potential because this kind of Female Imperative clubbing is one way to create incels, one way to sort most of the young men – like, oh, 80% – into the “never will marry” bin.

  48. Novaseeker says:

    One of the boys was punished for it. Given in school detention for a day.

    For rating girls’s attractiveness.

    We’re now living in a world in which boys can be punished for making observations about girls’ physical appearances. “Masculinity is toxic.”

    Yes, it was a big deal here in the DC area. But the key is that the girls weren’t satisfied with the detention. They went to the administration and demanded “struggle sessions” .. erm … meetings with the boys in question, where the boys would confess their sins and acknowledge their privilege. This actually happened and was lauded in the Washington Post. And the crime was … evaluating girls based on their appearance.

    Just a barometer on where things are going. It’s just one thread of many attacks against masculinity (broadly defined as “ways in which men are different from women”), but this specific thread is aimed at attacking the different way that men are attracted to women than women are attracted to men. Being looks primary attracted is now toxic — despite being wired into men … it has absolutely nothing to do with supposed “misogyny”, because gay men are exactly the same in this way — because this isn’t how women evaluate men, and if men are not to be “toxic” they will have to evaluate women on the same grounds as women evaluate men. This is where this particular line of attack is heading.

    It was stupid for the boys to compile a list. But boys are stupid, they are young. However, it isn’t the list that was being attacked, it was the idea behind it, that boys are evaluating girls based on looks and giving them numbers (“I can’t believe that to him I’m a number … I thought I was a friend”). All men do this, and all women know that all men do it, and women hate it because it takes power away from some of them, which they don’t like.

    All of this is about power, gentlemen. Raw power. “Who? Whom?” Answer that and you can understand where this is going and why.

  49. Jake says:

    You know what really chaps them i bet. Given how loyal these kinds of dudes are they would have a hard time acquiring them. No betabux, no orbiting. Just removed from her calculation ofher sexual value forever

  50. seventiesjason says:

    Well 30% of Generation X men (born roughly 1965-1979) have never been married and have never fathered children…..these men were losers and mouth-breathers anyway right?

    I don’t know how this can be called a “gender war” when one side pretty much has the muscle of the state, courts, news, politics and think tanks behind it, while the other side just says “have great frame and game, looks don’t count, bench 240 and insult her” and you can “control” this and prevent problems.

    Sounds like appeasement to me, and men still thinking if they have lots of sex, somehow, someway their hot-roll to eternity will be better than someone else, or of more worth.

    A real gender war would have some serious collateral damage, and men seem to be taking the brunt of this.

  51. Nick Mgtow says:

    Husbands, the lucky ones, have to deal with passive agressivity from their wives.

    A woman sent her husband to the grocery store with fake items to teach him a lesson. I’m shaking my head at that arrogance!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6872341/Blogger-sends-husband-grocery-store-FAKE-shopping-list.html

  52. feministhater says:

    Women really don’t understand the damage they are causing. They’re shaming the masculinity out of boys and then wondering where all the men have gone?

    Insane. Thanking God for finding MGTOW!

    And women will still continue to complain about the lack of manly men whilst deriding masculinity as toxic. All with a straight face.

    The girls in that article weren’t strong, they weren’t brave, they went straight to those in power and cried wolf. Women know full well they have the backing of those in power to crush men. And they use it, all the time, they abuse this power every single damn day to the nth degree and everybody cheers them on.

    I don’t get into a life contract with such a person. It would be madness to do so.

  53. She spent the majority of the video mocking the guy only to follow it up with the a predictable virtue signal of paying lip service to being non-judgmental.

    Oh well. The wheels on this bus are coming off, like it or not.

  54. Ray6777 says:

    With regard to the Washington Post article about the increase in sexlessness with young men, feminists do have an explanation. Not surprisingly it’s because they think many men are terrible and it’s hilarious that they are suffering.
    https://www.themarysue.com/unintentionally-hilarious-sex-chart/

  55. RICanuck says:

    Re. the Chevy Chase school humiliation of the boys.

    I bet the girl rated as 9.4 did not complain. The girls pictured in the Washington Post story rate no more than a 4, 5 if they dropped the bitchy face.

  56. bigjohn33 says:

    I don’t think sexbots will ever really take off. VR porn will be the next big thing. VR is to video what VHS was to magazines.

  57. feeriker says:

    A hologram that merely speaks to the man in a loving tone is a better wife than modern women.

    Yup. That’s what the feminists will NEVER accept, no matter how unavoidably obvious the reality becomes.

    I wonder what’s it’s like for a woman to know that men would rather masturbate to a hologram or copulate with a plastic, rubber, and latex dummy than even consider having sex with her intolerably bitchy self?

  58. feeriker says:

    Women really don’t understand the damage they are causing.

    They damned well do know, they just don’t care.

  59. James says:

    Sometime ago, I wrote about this “movement” in several blog posts including An AI Sexbot That Can Love You Back which briefly discusses the “product” you reference. A related essay is “Will People Be Marrying Machines by 2050?” and the fictional piece “The Girl from Svay Pak” based loosely on the minor aged (yes, that’s right, “children sex robots) sexbots. It’s all very disturbing.

  60. Novaseeker says:

    Not surprisingly it’s because they think many men are terrible and it’s hilarious that they are suffering.

    Oh sure they had an explanation. But what they didn’t address was who the women were having sex with. Basically that article proves the manosphere is correct. That was left unaddressed. Yes, you can say “oh those loser guys of course they aren’t getting laid, they deserve it”, and that’s fine, but you still ought to address the fact that a larger percentage of women is having sex with smaller percentage of the men — the bedrock insight that kicked the manosphere off really. And it just goes unaddressed completely, which is not unexpected of course, but is worth pointing out and harping on.

  61. Anon says:

    Again with this ‘sexbot’ crap!!!

    Anyone who knows anything about a) technology, and b) technological disruption cannot possibly believe that sexbots will cause this rebalancing.

    Instead, the rebalancing will be done by VR Sex, which has overwhelming advantages over sexbots.

    This was said in the Misandry Bubble almost 10 years ago, plus PM/AFT did several articles on this :
    http://www.antifeministtech.info/?s=VR+sex&searchsubmit=

    Those who write about ‘sexbots’ can avoid being wrong by reading the material about this, and thinking through things logically.

  62. Anonymous Reader says:

    Novaseeker
    Basically that article proves the manosphere is correct.

    Yes, it does. It also reveals just a bit of the “mean girl” mindset that is visible within feminism now. It’s always been there, of course, but wasn’t as easy to see before due to claims about “equity” and “fairness”. Now we are getting closer to endzone-dancing.

    It is obvious we are nowhere near peak feminism, nor will we be 9 months from now.

  63. Novaseeker says:

    It also reveals just a bit of the “mean girl” mindset that is visible within feminism now. It’s always been there, of course, but wasn’t as easy to see before due to claims about “equity” and “fairness”. Now we are getting closer to endzone-dancing.

    It is obvious we are nowhere near peak feminism, nor will we be 9 months from now.

    Not close I agree.

    On the mean girls aspect, I think all that is being revealed for those who have eyes to see it is that most women who do not have prior commitments to the contrary (ideological or religious typically) think that it is fine and normal and appropriate for a substantial percentage of men to never have any access to attractive women, or reproductive access at all (ah, well, they may concede with the unattractive 2 or 3 over there, while snickering), and that this is just fine and anyone who says anything to the contrary is entitled and misogynist. That is a widespread mindset. It doesn’t come from feminism. It comes from deep inside women, from their sexuality, it makes “sense” to them in a deep way. So what we are seeing here is, yes, a bit of the snark and so on that typifies moxy-laden young women of today, but the root of what is being expressed has far deeper roots, ones that are biological and not ideological in nature.

    This is a historical, epochal biological confrontation playing out. Men are woefully outmatched here because (1) women are much better, as a group, at manipulating people than men are (much more adapted to it), (2) men are to a huge degree enslaved by their own sex drives, (3) men are much more interested (again biology) in confronting each other and jockeying with each other than they are in cooperating with each other and this is impossible to change and (4) men’s one ace-in-the-hole (physical dominance) is neutered by being outlawed for individuals and monopolized by the state. Women are going to win this, at least until the current civilization collapses (which isn’t soon) — men have no chance, as a practical matter, to win this, and to be honest, most men don’t even know they’re in a confrontation to begin with, other than in a very vague and ill-defined way.

  64. Anonymous Reader says:

    Opus, it is a surprise to find out that in addition to opera you are also a fan of metal, and Japanese metal at that. Alas, I’m not sure BabyMetal is still together.

  65. TimesUp, MeToo, YesMeansYes and Duluth Model combine to create a market entry barrier so prohibitive and unappealing that even your average Joe has to seriously re-consider ALL of his options.
    Then all of the sudden….WHOA Oh My God! Market alternatives have popped up!!???
    Well, gee! Would you look at that!!!

    For most guys these days – young, single or even married – porn is an easy, cheap (free) and risk-free alternative. Get the poison out and continue on his day. Sex dolls are just an augmentation and enhancement of the porn option.

    From what I have seen on Youtube, a top of the line, customized, made to your specifications, sexdoll waifu runs about $1800 to $2500.
    That’s way less than most guys spend on one steady girlfriend in half a year – if you consider gas, food, entertainment, gifts, PLUS ALL OF HIS OPPORTUNITY COSTS – just to keep himself in her orbit while she buries her skull in her cell phone and spins other plates brimming with varieties of knackwurst.

    That’s before we even get to the marriagability of American women.
    I think this is the biggest thing most Christian conservatives just don’t get.
    Because they continue tolook at their wives and think all the 18-30 year old girls out there are comparable copies.
    They so are NOT comparable.

    The vast majority of women you are talking about don’t even want to marry in the first place.
    Not really. To them marriage is a big party and a temporary social status power up followed by a business transaction – a month-to-month service contract.

    Most women today don’t want have children either until well after achieving financial independence and after having tasted rosters of different men in the sexual revolution candy store.

    They cannot cook or manage finances competently, or purchase a healthy grocery selection even via Walmart or Amazon delivery. And most women are simply too pretentious and smug to clean up after themselves, not to mention a prospective family. Have you ever tried to have a conversation with one of them that doesn’t degenerate into the me-monster?

    With all of that reality bludgeoning guys in the face and hands, the problem we are all worried about are the cheaper, easier, less risky and more time effective market alternatives.

    The fact that any man is seriously considering reverting to sex dolls is a slap in the face of western women and an indicator of just how repellent, toxic and radioactive they have become in the context of long-term committed relationships. Unsurprisingly, they just don’t see it that way.

  66. Anonymous Reader says:

    Novaseeker
    On the mean girls aspect, I think all that is being revealed for those who have eyes to see it is that most women who do not have prior commitments to the contrary (ideological or religious typically) think that it is fine and normal and appropriate for a substantial percentage of men to never have any access to attractive women, or reproductive access at all (ah, well, they may concede with the unattractive 2 or 3 over there, while snickering), and that this is just fine and anyone who says anything to the contrary is entitled and misogynist.

    Taking open, active pleasure in the misfortunes of other people is..what? Perhaps “mean” is the wrong word, and “cruel” fits better? Either way, it is the feminists who are leading the way with this particular form of gloating, isn’t it? This open mocking of men, openly reveling in their pain, is going to embitter some number of 20-something men, and being men they won’t forget.

    Women rely on men in a multitude of ways, most of them unconscious. Beta men are the support beams of industrial civilization. Telling them to go off and die in a corner might be fun in the short term but could have unexpected consequences in the longer term[1]. The Beta that is supposed to be waiting to catch a carousel rider at 29.99 years might not be as available 5 or more years from now.

    Will 30-something women really be happy as the 3rd string plate in the soft harem of some Alpha?

    It will be interesting to see how the churches deal with this. Of course there will be shaming of any churchgoing man who indulges in sexbottery, I’m sure it will be deemed to be worse than porn. However most churches in the US grow either by poaching people from other churches, or by births within the church of young people who either stay, or more often leave for 10 or so years.

    Condemning 80% of men to involuntary celibacy isn’t going to do much for church growth, unless monestaries return in a really big way.

    [1] I know a man who manages a natural gas fired powerplant that supplies megawatts of electricity to the grid. He complains that finding competent men to work in the plant gets more difficult every year. AI won’t solve this problem, either.

  67. Novaseeker says:

    AR —

    Sure, women will care if the lights go out, and they rely on men to do that, but women will win the war over their own sexual preferences nonetheless. In order for them not to, they would have to actually accept limits on their own sexuality voluntarily, which they have never done outside of a situation where they are in dire need financially. Could a world of chaos created by massive power outages and the crime and disorder that stem from that situation engender that? Possible, yes. But that’s getting close to a collapse state, although perhaps not entirely in the collapse state yet.

  68. Novaseeker says:

    The fact that any man is seriously considering reverting to sex dolls is a slap in the face of western women

    Well, note that the biggest market is Japan, not the home of Western women. There is something here that goes deeper than the Western variant. Yes, Japan has its own form of feminism and certainly the sex rev, but the underlying issue is deeper, and isn’t specifically Western really.

  69. Anonymous Reader says:

    Novaseeker
    Sure, women will care if the lights go out, and they rely on men to do that, but women will win the war over their own sexual preferences nonetheless.

    Soft decay of an industrial civilization can go on for quite a while, including a decay of the state security services that women rely on in lieu of a man in the house to protect them. The upper income will have their own security, but the average box-wine cat-lady in her own urban art district apartment probably won’t. IMO there is some degree of “coasting on inertia” going on in US society at least, where people take for granted services that may become optional.

    To get to the micro level: Why should a 25 year old incel man become a cop? Or even a security guard? What’s in it for him, that makes it better than being a barrista? At the margins, there are clear disincentives for men to go into several security-related careers right now, and it won’t get better in the future as women “win it all” as a group.

    We have the whining in that article from Australia “why won’t men protect me?” from some 40-something strong, independent, woman: magnify that by a whole lot, and see where it leads. There’s no way to force men to intervene on behalf of unknown women…

    The most extreme case I can point to for now is Venezuela, where the elite, the top 1% have effectively looted everyone else, and now rotating power outages in the cities are normal. Women in Colombia are resentful of all the Venezuelan women who are working as prostitutes. Women’s sexual preferences in Venezuela are rather limited, since even condoms are all but impossible to find now for ordinary people. Again the most extreme case I can point to, but a clear example of slow motion social collapse.

    Demonizing men and gloating over their pain isn’t going to work well in the longer run. I’m sure it is fun in the short run.

  70. Lost Patrol says:

    to be honest, most men don’t even know they’re in a confrontation to begin with, other than in a very vague and ill-defined way.

    They really don’t. In fact many men are aiding and abetting their own marginalization.

    Governor Hogan of Maryland appoints a woman as AG, who now presides over an all female command staff.

    https://www.stripes.com/news/us/national-guard-command-staff-entirely-composed-of-women-for-first-time-1.574737

    “In the few months since the four women took the helm of Maryland’s military, they have already noticed a shift in the leadership style.”

    I’ll bet.

    Woman Sergeant that completes phase two of Marine special ops selection course was not selected to move on to phase three, BUT she made it farther than any woman has to date. The Commandant of the Marine Corps places a personal phone call to her to get her to move into the officer candidate program instead of leaving for college and the North Carolina Guard. She’s a trophy that needs to be kept in the case.

    https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/03/22/marine-commandant-personally-invites-marsoc-trailblazer-become-officer.html

    How many men have gotten a personal call from the highest ranking officer of their service in similar circumstances?

    I’m out of link attempts but it’s a sure bet we could find similar cases in most walks of life on the regular, e.g. the recent plan to have THE FIRST ALL WOMAN SPACE WALK ™. Etc.

    The wheels on this bus are coming off, like it or not.

    Men keep loosening the lug-nuts.

  71. Novaseeker says:

    Again the most extreme case I can point to, but a clear example of slow motion social collapse.

    Demonizing men and gloating over their pain isn’t going to work well in the longer run. I’m sure it is fun in the short run.

    Sure, as I said, if collapse happens then things are different. I do not think that the US is anywhere close to being like Venezuela is anytime soon. I could be wrong. But if I am not wrong then we will be looking at the current state of slouching towards a kind of collapse for quite some time.

    I suppose that strategically the feminist camp wants that slouch to be slower (paradoxically) rather than faster, in order to give the “robocop” fantasy more time to arrive (i.e., unlimited ability to coerce betas as de facto slaves), as unrealistic as it ultimately is. But I think that many feminists do not think that strategically, in that kind of time horizon at least, to be thinking that way. Again I could be wrong.

  72. Nick Mgtow says:

    Anonymous Reader says:

    @NickMGTOW, Deti

    To all the men with daughters: this is what’s being done to your potential future son-in-laws. I write potential because this kind of Female Imperative clubbing is one way to create incels, one way to sort most of the young men – like, oh, 80% – into the “never will marry” bin.

    They’re going to stay that, Anonymous Reader: only potential sons in law. Most nowday women, even the churchian ones, are taught to be independent, not to rely on a man, focus on their university first…

  73. Spike says:

    I love how this chick ”doesn’t judge” – and then proceeds to do exactly that.
    I also find it quite funny how she herself ”isn’t ready” to get married and have children, despite her 30s approaching. When is she going to be ready? Her 60s?
    This is typical as well: My wife’s female friends look back with horror and say, ”I wasn’t ready to get married in my 20s….” to which I say to them that their reproductive window is to 35, beyond which fertility declines and defects go up. The conversation ends quickly after that.

    It’s also quite hypocritical. Women have had sexbots for over a century. They originally weighed over 16kg and were steam-powered

    https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/02/the-steam-powered-vibrator-and-other-early-sex-machines/

    But now that its’ men’s turn, women get indignant and demand that men police other men by banning them.
    My own view on sexbots: As many here have said, a sexbot won’t get angry, won’t say ”Not tonight dear – I have a headache”, won’t clutter her life with trivial shit so she loses you as a priority. A sexbot won’t age, get offended, play stupid shit tests, won’t cheat on you, have an ”oops” baby on you that you’re liable for. Nor will a sexbot have previous baggage from Alpha-Phuque Programming or spend your money.
    Not a contest, really. So while I would not use one, I don’t blame men. Not one little bit.

  74. So a 29 year old incel with a 2 SMV walks into his church and meets his pastor. He tells his pastor that he has given up waiting for miss right. Pastor (a bit broken hearted at this man’s discouragement) asks him why. So he says much what Dalrock has said….

    …but as part of a slew of distractions young men could turn to in their formative years while they wait for their future wives to tire of having sex with other men.

    …he is just sick and tired of waiting for his future wife to tire of having sex with other men. He’s been studying his King James Bible. There is absolutely nothing in it (not one word of God) condemning masturbation. He figures he’ll buy a $10,000 (that is much MUCH cheaper than a frivorce) sexbot because it is no different than masturbation and at least he will NOT be living in sin and asks the pastor what he thinks of that? Pastor ponders that question for a few moments, tells him he’ll have to get back to him. Pastor tells him that he will see him on Sunday and pay close attention to the sermon.

    Sunday comes, Pastor goes to give his sermon. Its the same typical, “lift” all women, condemn all men as bad, feminist, churchianity, horse shit that everyone has come to expect but this time with a twist. Because the Pastor knows that 75% of the people in the pews are over 65 and have no idea what a sexbot is (but they damn well know what pornography is) the Pastor mentions that they all must pray for the poor forgotten souls on this planet who have filled their emptiness with Satan by turning towards pornography and other artificial substitutes for Godly women. And as he says that last bit, he locks eyes with our 2 SMV Incel dwelling in his lonely pew. Everyone gets up, and leaves, shake hands with the Pastor, all except our lowly Incel. There he sits, alone in the church, unmoved, looking even more discouraged. Pastor re-enters the church and sits down next to him and asks the Incel if he has any questions about the sermon. He has one.

    Pastor, do you understand the difference between asking someone for approval vs asking someone for their understanding?

    I think that is really what we are talking about here in a spiritual sense. For the poor, forgotten souls, these pitiful men (of whom I have nothing but sympathy) who would purchase a sexbot for physical gratification, I get it. It makes sense. I’m not going to condemn them for that. They aren’t committing adultery. They aren’t breaking any laws (neither man’s law nor God’s law.) They are making a rational, logical decision to do this for their own needs and they don’t give a damn what the whole world will think of their decision. And the ones who believe in God, they already know that God will understand. They aren’t asking other people for permission. But they might be asking other people for acceptance. And if they can’t get that, they will ask for tolerance. And if they can’t get that, then they will stop asking for anything. I think that is where we might be headed because sexbot will surely bring an end to feminism as we know it.

  75. Usury kills says:

    All are disgusted with what is being done. No one normal man or women can appreciate this decadence. WHO is pushing the war against men and women? Who is the divider? WHO is the destroyer of all that is good and righteous? We have all been taught that it is satan. But what nonredeemable (((TRIBE))) endlessly pushes this sickness??? Why do so called Christians give THEM a pass?

  76. Anonymous Reader says:

    Rollo’s latest essay is just up, and it fits in very well with this article. There are a number of key concepts in it, too many to easily summarize. Here’s one:

    A day ago I posted this quote on Twitter:

    Women only see men as breeding stock or draft animals.

    Women and their ‘allies’ lost their collective minds.

    Of course, some feminists smugly said “As it should be!”…

    https://therationalmale.com/2019/04/01/sexual-selection-existential-fear/

  77. TheOtherScott says:

    This is the best thing that ever happened to men…but not in the way you might think.

    If the majority of men have no need of a living, breathing (cheating, nagging, money spending, disrespecting) female for sex then what will women do when they hit the wall and contract the baby rabies? All of a sudden, sperm becomes the most valuable substance on the planet. Especially if you have good genetics. Sperm donor becomes a viable occupation. Imbue your robotic (faithful, satisfied, obedient) lover with a cryogenic collection system and you don’t even have to leave the house.

    One of the complaints about men (as related to the topic of sexbots) is that we might stop “producing in excess of what we need” for the betterment of society. I see it differently. Men will be “hard at work” (so sorry, not sorry) producing exactly what society needs. Men will be producing and benefiting, for a change, by doing what God naturally endowed us to do. Men will be freed to embrace their creative nature.

    By the way, this also ends the abortion problem and the STD problem and the sexual harassment problem all in the same stroke. What’s not to like? All babies will be wanted since their dear mothers will have paid for the opportunity. Furthermore they won’t have to engage in that nasty procreative process involving those yucky men. And even better, us men will all be retrained to not even consider live women worthy of our gaze much less our touch.

    I’m not saying that this is A) good for society, B) ideal for men or C) what God has planned for us but it sure would be nice to see the power shift in our direction for a change. All of these things will occur as a result of what the marxist, feminist collective started agitating for 50 years ago. I give our current pattern another 30 years. I may be underestimating the rate of technological development. To be honest I don’t expect I will have great grandkids. Good luck everyone and may God give you your desires… good and hard.

  78. BillyS says:

    Jason,

    We have Napster today for a few dollars a month. It is just called different names. Big Media wasn’t ready for streaming services at that time, but they allow it now and people consume a lot of it.

  79. AnonS says:

    The impact on Japan is western. After WW2 we forced them to have a universal democracy (with of course having women vote, it had only existed in history for 25 years why not force it on others).

    Expanding the vote can’t be undone in a democracy.

  80. Frank K says:

    Why should a 25 year old incel man become a cop?

    1) The pay in most metro areas is outstanding, comparable or better than what a STEM major makes
    2) Job security. Unlike Joe Engineer, you won’t have to worry about the layoff monster coming to get you after you turn 40
    3) Retire young (in your 50’s) with a fat pension and healthcare benefits

  81. thedeti says:

    Just a barometer on where things are going. It’s just one thread of many attacks against masculinity (broadly defined as “ways in which men are different from women”), but this specific thread is aimed at attacking the different way that men are attracted to women than women are attracted to men. Being looks primary attracted is now toxic — despite being wired into men … it has absolutely nothing to do with supposed “misogyny”,

    Right. And just to amplify the point: It’s that boys and young men are now not being merely confronted or shamed for being men. Now they’re being punished and sanctioned. Now there are real, tangible consequences to merely commenting on and remarking on and giving voice to something men have always done – differentiate among women based on their physical appearance and attractiveness.

    These boys didn’t rape or try to have sex with any of these girls. They didn’t touch these girls, talk to them, harass them, or even very nicely ask them out. They did absolutely nothing to these girls other than talk about them and evaluate them amongst themselves.

    What, we can’t even talk about how a woman looks now? We can’t even draw distinctions between women now? We can’t even say “I like this one better than that one”? We can’t even say “this one is prettier than that one”? We can’t even say “I don’t want to go out with you”? We can’t even say “I don’t want to date you anymore”? Because that will hurt someone’s feelings? Newsflash – people getting their feelings hurt with the opposite sex happens ALL THE TIME. It happens even when you’re married, people.

    We are a nation of people who cannot handle life. Who cannot handle day to day things. Cannot handle the fact that some women are hotter than others. (Women can acknowledge that amongst themselves, but God forbid that men acknowledge it too.) Women cannot be confronted and called to account on the smallest, simplest, most rudimentary things anymore. They need government and manginas and white knight men to handle everything for them at every turn.

  82. thedeti says:

    This is also something that Nova has hit on before, and that is desexualization pushing further and further into every corner of society. By nature, two of the most highly sexualized environments are high school and college. Whenever you put hundreds, or thousands, of young men and women together, it will be sexualized. But women and feminists are pushing hard for more and more desexualization there, as has already fully happened in the workplace and has largely happened at churches and almost all other public places. About the only remaining “sexualized” zones are places where people are expected to be sexual – night spots, bars, and clubs.

    Almost all other places are expected to be virtually completely desexualized. (Except, of course, when a very, very attractive man shows up, in which case it’s perfectly OK for anywhere he is to become sexualized, at women’s option and to the extent women wish it. And this is a complete reversal of male and female sexual conduct. Used to be that men would sexualize any interaction they could, when and where they could. But since most men are not attractive to most women, that resulted in a lot of “unwelcome” sexual conduct. Now, women are allowed to sexualize anything, anywhere, anytime they want, with anyone they want, especially when they compete with each other for the very very few available attractive men. So women can do and say anything they want, anytime they want, anywhere they want, and that’s A-OK. But men are now punished and sanctioned for merely making the observation that certain women are more attractive than others.

  83. Oscar says:

    @ Frank K

    4) Respect. Depending on the location, cops get a lot of respect from the community.

    Better yet, become a fire fighter. They’re almost universally loved and respected.

  84. thedeti says:

    I wonder if Susan Walsh will see this chart , and the “unintentionally hilarious” article.

    Giggles used to assert the 80/20 rule was BS, because, after all, those women are having sex with men, and men are getting sex too. And we used to tell her “It’s because most of the women are having sex with top men, elite men.” And she poo pooed and denigrated and hemhawed around that constantly, saying “NO NO NO the numbers bear out that the same number of men AND women are having sex! You are all full of it!! Confirmation bias! Red Pill toxic! Evil sad small dicked losers who can’t get laid!”

    I think the chart bears out that the men confronting her on this were correct. We always were correct, and we still are.

  85. Frank K says:

    We can’t even say “I don’t want to go out with you”?

    For the time being, we still can, but I eventually expect that to turn down a woman’s advance will be considered a legal crime someday. Of course all she has to do today is falsely accuse you of something else, and she will be believed. Ask Joe Biden, whose candidacy for the Democrat nomination is now stillborn.

  86. Frank K says:

    Better yet, become a fire fighter. They’re almost universally loved and respected.

    Not to mention that you’ll rarely have to fight a real fire. From what I’ve observed, most of the time a fire engine is dispatched, it’s to escort an ambulance to the patient. It also seems like a sweet job. In my community there are dozens of men who volunteer for the fire department, as that is the stepping stone to a paid position, which in my community pays VERY well, provides a juicy pension and retirement in your 50’s.

    I know there is this stereotype that cops and firefighters are low paid. In my community of 70K people, which is not part of a metro area, police sergeants have a base salary of about $130K and they get overtime pay on top of that. The average salary in our burg is about $40k.

  87. Hugh Mann says:

    Novaseeker – “most women who do not have prior commitments to the contrary … think that it is fine and normal and appropriate for a substantial percentage of men to never have any access to attractive women, or reproductive access at all … It doesn’t come from feminism. It comes from deep inside women”

    That’s from our evolutionary history. Christian civilisation was able to rise above this and put a wife in every beta’s bed, but there are powerful forces trying to return us to the ancient status quo.

    “Consider this question: What percent of our ancestors were women? It’s not a trick question, and it’s not 50%. True, about half the people who ever lived were women, but that’s not the question. We’re asking about all the people who ever lived who have a descendant living today. Or, put another way, yes, every baby has both a mother and a father, but some of those parents had multiple children. Recent research using DNA analysis answered this question about two years ago. Today’s human population is descended from twice as many women as men. I think this difference is the single most underappreciated fact about gender. To get that kind of difference, you had to have something like, throughout the entire history of the human race, maybe 80% of women but only 40% of men reproduced.”

    http://www.denisdutton.com/baumeister.htm

  88. Oscar says:

    @ Frank K

    Of course all she has to do today is falsely accuse you of something else, and she will be believed. Ask Joe Biden, whose candidacy for the Democrat nomination is now stillborn.

    Biden’s a creep, and everyone’s known it for decades. The stuff he does in public is creepy enough. Now imagine (if you dare) what he does in private.

    The only reason Biden’s being dangled before the wolves now is that he’s no longer useful to the Left, much like Clinton, and Kennedy before him, whom the Left literally lionized and protected as long as they were useful.

    The mild accusations leveled at Biden are a warning. “Thanks for your service, Joe, but it’s time to hand the baton. You can either go away in comfort and respect, or we can reveal some of your darker secrets. Your choice.”

  89. Frank K says:

    The mild accusations leveled at Biden are a warning. “Thanks for your service, Joe, but it’s time to hand the baton. You can either go away in comfort and respect, or we can reveal some of your darker secrets. Your choice.”

    Absolutely. But the accusations don’t even need to be true. They don’t even have to reveal what he does behind closed doors, a good #metoo’ing is already destroying him. I suspect he was told in the smoke filled room to step aside and he refused, hence the sudden #metoo accusations.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the Dems never again nominate a white male (sorry, “Beto”, you won’t get to be our version of Justin Trudeau) for the presidency. They’ll be unlikely to even nominate a non white male. They’ll probably nominate Senator Running Deer this time around, and whoever is the AOC like flavor of the month in 2024

  90. James says:

    @ Hugh Mann
    “throughout the entire history of the human race, maybe 80% of women but only 40% of men reproduced.”

    The number has to be much higher than that, IMO. Hunting and agriculture both required lots of cooperation among men; there’s no way they could achieve that if only 40% of men got to have kids.

    If we have twice as many female vs. male ancestors, it’s the result of much smaller differences in each generation that accumulate over time. So, say 82% of women and 80% men in generation A reproduce; over thousands of years, that small difference becomes magnified as more and more men from that era see their lineages die out.

  91. Opus says:

    I have stood-up a few women, dropped a few too and I have noticed that they have great trouble dealing with rejection and in ways that are not I think typical of men. Hurting females is not something to be relished yet the opposite where some Beta or Omega male such as the Governor of Maryland appoints all female staff achieves two objectives: firstly it negatives any potential male threat and secondly he increases so he thinks his chances of sexual congress with the women. The down-side for him is that he will not achieve the sexual success he assumes was his for the asking but will find that he has in fact become his own eunuch. This is becoming, I regret to say, all too common.

    Heavy Metal is not my thing at all, but all things Japanese are fascinating and I thus also have a liking for Frank Chickens who are perhaps better known in London than in Tokyo.

  92. Badman says:

    @James

    Mitochondrial DNA analysis strongly supports the conclusion that many more women than men have reproduced historically.

    Think about it some more: for nearly all of human history (except for the last ~70 years in the developed world) young men have died at alarming rates in wars and battles.

    Boys from conquered tribes were often slaughtered (male-only infanticide) or made eunuchs/slaves. And almost all civilizations have deep history in polygamy, or at the very least mistresses/concubines.

    Historically, there were just a lot less men alive than women, which means that those men who were alive (especially the conquering warlords and powerful rulers) were able to reproduce with many different women. And for those women, the choice (if they had one) was either to become one of several wives/mistresses, or be barren.

    The current developed world dynamic of an equal male:female population ratio (actually even slightly more male) is an enormous historical anomaly. And it’s something that’s only exacerbating feminism, hypergamy, and male thirst.

  93. Badman says:

    Some real black pills in the comments and news stories today.

    Unfortunately, we seem to have a long way to go before we hit rock bottom. Just look at the radical change in marriage and male celibacy rates just since 2000. As current generations age, those dynamics still have a ways to go before they work through society.

    And of course it’s “hilarious” that 28% (likely higher due to male self-reporting) of men under 30 are celibate for years at a time. But when a high school boy so much as “rates” a female classmate it’s a national tragedy.

    We’ve already seen such a terrible decline in marriage and birth rates, but the seeds are clearly sown for much further degradation. I don’t see how we avoid a societal collapse within ~50 years at this point.

    As others have pointed out, western society was built on the backs of (mostly beta) men, harnessing the immense power of the male sex drive and provider instinct. Many men are still in the dark (blue pill) and are still operating by this “old set of books” as they push themselves in their careers. But as hypergamy and the feminine imperative become more obvious, these men will realize that it’s not worth it to excel in their careers with the goal of providing for a loving wife and kids. Better instead to coast through life and take joy in pleasant holograms, video games, and legal weed.

    Ok, somebody share some good news now!

  94. Novaseeker says:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the Dems never again nominate a white male

    Straight white male. Gay white guys are in play like that Buttigieg guy, because if you’re gay you don’t count as white, because the “good” of being gay kind of cancels out the “bad” of being white and male. At least for now.

  95. I’d say there was something profoundly wrong with it, from a Biblical perspective, but in terms of social comeuppance for males as a type so often scorned in the feminism-dripping modern culture, it would feel quite satisfying.

  96. Anonymous Reader says:

    Novaseeker
    Straight white male. Gay white guys are in play like that Buttigieg guy, …

    Probably the most synthetic candidate I have ever seen. He’s right out of some casting call. Even more so than Obama.

    The press has been covering up for Biden’s public handsyness for 25 or more years. A Secret Service agent came close to punching him out once because BIden kept copping feels on agent’s wife – cupping her breasts, specifically. If Biden weren’t a rich guy from a small state, he would have been run out of the Senate years ago.

    Before anyone has any pity on Biden, remember that he was the main mover behind the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) that got passed into Federal law as part of Bill Clinton’s “Anti Violent Crime Act” of 1994. Biden obviously has some serious baggage from his past, and it shows up in strange ways. Such as his decades-long habit of fondling pre-pubescent girls, in front of their parents, during photo sessions…while whispering something in their ear.

    @J.J. Griffing
    If there was some context to your comment, it might have more meaning. As it is, what are you going on about ?

  97. BillyS says:

    Who thought a gay candidate with a last name starting with “Butt” was a good idea? Sounds like The Onion’s or Babylon Bee’s candidate!

  98. seventiesjason says:

    “betas” are pushing themselves in their careers and work for the fact that that is really the only thing left. Church doesn’t want or need them, forums like this don’t need them, women don’t need them……not much else to do except push in their careers for at least being a bit more prepared for retirement, a trip, a sports car……..investment, growing the hobbies and talents they have.

    What is the alternative?

    Give up? Learn Game at 45? 50? 55? Learn how to talk to and vet “nice girls” at a church at their ages?

    Many of you who are married, or have an active dating / endeared life with women seem to have all the answers for this crew of younger men……….men like myself who lived this back in the 1990’s fully understand……..and we knew this was going to continue to widen and breech further…….the solutions are VR, sex-bots, and somehow finding some miracle to make a 35, 45, 55 year old man look like he’s twenty-three.

    I would suggest actually not talking down to men like this, or assuming you “understand” his situation because you don’t, and won’t. It would be like me giving you married folks marriage advice, and expecting you to take it……and if you don’t I can call out how “bitter” you are.

    Really men.

    It’s bad out there, but many of these younger men are not upset…..frustrated…..yeah, but they knew the hand back when they were in their teens. Frame, Game, social confidence, emotional maturity classes won’t help because for the most part……you don’t want them helped. You want them coming here being told how “blue pill” they are, and if they just read books and practice real, real, real hard….they will be able to find the unicorn like you all did.

    This is not to say a man in this situation should just become a basement dweller, and give up……and I am sure more than a few have…….but the reality is, what else is there aside from career, work and hobbies when church, culture, women and most men will not even welcome them?????

  99. ZJay says:

    @ Frank K “… accusations don’t even need to be true. They don’t even have to reveal what he does behind closed doors, a good #metoo’ing is already destroying him. I suspect he was told in the smoke filled room to step aside and he refused, hence the sudden #metoo accusations.”

    … hhmmmm… but didn’t liberals and feminists outlaw smoke filled rooms…. even smoking outdoors in most places… ZING

    all kidding aside… suspect there is very little top down management from the left, like a virus with many bits operating independently, as programed, changing with new mutations each generation.

    I’m sure there are a few big fish that operate behind the scenes at the DNC…. but I can’t imagine they would let J.B. know anything was coming …. more likely this is completely undirected and cooked up by some women to earn a #metoo merit badge. If it was a planned political hit it came from one of the campaigns that didn’t want J.B. in.

  100. Frank K says:

    “and if they just read books and practice real, real, real hard….they will be able to find the unicorn like you all did.”

    To be honest, had I not met my wife, I think there is a very good chance I would have never married. Even 30+ years ago I found most young women to be utterly toxic and not wife material. In today’s “marketplace” where even “nice church girls” have high N counts and are feminists, I know my probability of finding a woman worthy of marriage would be about 0. Anyway, what I’m saying is that I was very lucky.

  101. Thomas A. N. Anderson says:

    @Anonymous Reader

    This video is right up your alley. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nPXdx8OpCY
    Guy makes sexual comment about 14 year old girls tits, girl gets pissed at having “an unworthy creature” dare to make such a remark; claims he sexually assaulter her by touching her breast because she knows the former is not illegal while the latter one is; in order to punish him; has friend bear false witness to make the case stick, because, now, it’s no longer he-said-she-said, it’s two against one; the footsoldier, erm, I mean “police officer”, is merely “following orders” and arrests him.

  102. wodansthane says:

    @ Usury kills

    It is a bit mind-boggling to see how disproportionately members of the (((TRIBE))) are represented in the feminist movement, in pornography, at the $PLC, etc. Craziest coincidence I’ve ever witnessed.

  103. white says:

    @Cane
    The latest churchian excuse for not confronting women (that seems to be gaining some traction) is that confronting women is useless anyway and will not produce any results, and therefore men need to fix this mess by Manning Up. Same conclusion, different process

  104. Thomas A. N. Anderson says:

    Any idea what happened to my comment from yesterday?

  105. @seventiesjason

    what else is there aside from career, work and hobbies when church, culture, women and most men will not even welcome them?????

    There isn’t anything else. You can try to find an uneducated woman who grew up away from the big cities, date and marry her and form a family, do you best and just hope for the best.
    A lot of men want this very much. I get it.
    But I still cannot recommend even that anymore.

    Career, hobbies, self-improvement (education, fitness) and self-actualization (prayer, meditation, teaching, mentoring, coaching) are all good, venerable things.

    A personal friend of mine from Texas and work colleague recently turned 67 and retired. Well off and happy man. Strong. Former Arkansas football lineman. Christian. His wife of 40 years gray divorced him.

    He has left the USA and gone to Kenya to build schools and teach young men how to fund, purchase and operate hardware (machinery and materials) to dig water wells for small villages.

    There is no “solution”. The best we can do as men is make tradeoffs, accept the bad that comes with the good, hope the former outweighs the latter and just find satisfaction in what we do.
    Then leave the rest up to God.
    Life is so short.
    It breaks my heart to see my friend have his dreams destroyed at his age to an ungrateful, self-serving battle axe.
    But even with that shit show, he’s moving forward doing something for others. And the guy has a smile bigger than that entire state of Texas.
    So there’s some great stories out there, even within this toxic waste dump of a landscape, if you look hard long enough.

  106. rocko says:

    “Sex dolls and bots and the like are substitutes for guys who aren’t getting laid with any kind of attractive woman anyway. It’s not like they’re choosing them over an attractive woman — they’re not. The impact on attractive women is minimal.”

    I’m going to partly disagree with the statement above. It does impact attractive women, if the “incel” happens to be a rich guy who can spend on a custom made sexbot rather than even consider a hooker or a sugar baby. Basically, it takes out a beta provider out of the marriage market this nullifying an attractive woman’s only asset, which is of course her looks.

  107. Oscar says:

    @ Frank K

    Back on the subject of Creepy Joe, Pres Trump got in a good jab.

    https://hotair.com/archives/2019/04/03/trump-socialists-get-biden-sexual-harassment-allegations-know/

    “It looks like the only non-, sort of heavy socialist, he is being taken care of pretty well by the socialists,” Trump said. “They got to him. Our former vice president. I was going to call him — I don’t know him well. I was gonna say, ‘Welcome to the world, Joe. Are you having a good time, Joe?’

    The funny thing is that Creepy Joe helped create the monster that is now stalking him. He’s been protected from it for decades, but old, white, male and (mostly?) heterosexual are now indefensible characteristics among lefties. I hope he insists on getting his way, because it would be fun to watch him be devoured by the monster he helped create.

  108. Raewu says:

    On feminism

  109. American says:

    Novaseeker (April 1, 2019 at 12:59 pm) says:
    “The pretzeling and mumbo-jumboing around that across the internet was quite entertaining, but of course all failed to address the core fact that among people under 30, many more men are going sexless than women, meaning that those women are having sex with a smaller subset of the men. That was studiously avoided, because to focus on that would play into *our* narrative, given that there is no evidence that the disparity is covered by all of those women having sex with men from older cohorts.”

    ^ Keep an eye on the rise in STDs among young women. If we see them start to rise significantly, while males of their same age remain stable or decline, I’d say you’re right on.

    Not to mention that’s yet another reason these young “passed over” males should never contractually obligate themselves to a wall hugging cat herder who’s lost the ability to pair bond with them later in life.

  110. American says:

    I have to walk my last post back. I forgot to consider the increasing number of young men engaging in homosexual activities and how that results in higher rates of STDs and HIV. https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D128

  111. Sarvan says:

    I don’t understand. What has this article to do with “weak” men and Feminism?

  112. King Alfred says:

    Unattractive men having alternatives to real life women constitutes a problem for most women because in addition to using their sexual power to attract men to whom they are attracted, they also greatly enjoy using their sexual power to torment men to whom they are not attracted. Tormenting unattractive men seems to provide greater enjoyment to many women than anything else. Thus the extreme resistance encountered by those who encourage women to be modest in dress and behavior. To insist on their modesty and chastity is to deprive them of their two favorite blood sports.

  113. feeriker says:

    His wife of 40 years gray divorced him.

    Having been a victim of this myself, if I were a wagering man I’d bet that this guy’s wife is now wishing that she’d never even thought about making that move.

  114. Frank K says:

    What has this article to do with “weak” men and Feminism?

    A common refrain from the Left is that “weak men” damage feminism. In this case, “weak men” are starting to have options for replacing women. If you don’t need women, they can’t control you, and control (and not equality) is the foundation of feminism. Hence these “losers” are screwing up feminism.

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