Good news about abortion!

One aspect of the men’s sphere that greatly frustrates traditional conservatives is what they see as an unhealthy negativity about our new model of marriage. While the statistics they use to back this view up are generally dodgy, I have no doubt that their optimism is sincere.

Taking a page from Trad Con optimism, I decided to look for good news on the abortion front.  The data I found at Abort 73 is a bit dated, but even so it is exciting.  Most of my readers have only been given a “doom and gloom” view of abortion, but the real data is quite pleasing.

For example, Abort 73 takes the pessimistic view that only nine countries have a higher abortion rate than the U.S.

According to the United Nations’ 2013 report, only nine countries in the world have a higher reported abortion rate than the United States. They are: Bulgaria, Cuba, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Romania, Russia, Sweden, and Ukraine.*

If Abort 73 could learn to look for the positive in U.S. abortions, they would realize that we are doing better than all of the countries listed above!  The good news doesn’t end there.  You’ve probably been told that while the specific count varies over time, around a million babies are aborted in the US each year.  If we were pessimists, we could latch on to a million dead babies and miss the truly encouraging news;  most babies aren’t killed in the womb!  You’ve probably never seen the positive data, but in 2014 only 19% of all U.S. pregnancies (excluding spontaneous miscarriages) were ended by abortion.  If you are a fetus in the US, you have to be excited about those odds!  Sure we could do better, but we need not blow the issue out of proportion.

Another fact that abortion doom and gloomers won’t tell you is that depending on the age of the mother, a US fetus’ likelihood of being aborted can be much lower than the overall average of 19%.  From the CDC:

FIGURE 2Percentage of total abortions, abortion rate,* and abortion ratio, by age group of women who obtained a legal abortion — selected reporting areas,§ United States, 2015

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* Number of abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years.
† Number of abortions per 1,000 live births.

Unless your mother is in her “season of singleness” years, your odds of survival are much better than the doomsters will tell you!  Other factors can make your odds of escaping the vacuum even better!  Did you know that:

  • Among white women, 10% of pregnancies currenlty end in abortion. Among black women, 28% of pregnancies end in abortion (CDC).
  • Black women were more than 3.5 times more likely to have an abortion in 2015 than white women (CDC).
  • The abortion rate of non-metropolitan women is about half that of women who live in metropolitan counties (NAF).

So don’t be a downer.  Sure nearly a million babies were aborted last year, but a much larger number survived, and if a fetus plays their cards right the odds really are in their favor.

Edit:  Commenter Robin pointed out that the table I originally included with abortion breakdown by women’s age didn’t measure abortions per pregnancy.  I substituted Figure 2 from this CDC publication in its place.

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64 Responses to Good news about abortion!

  1. Robin Munn says:

    Those numbers add up to 100% — which means that they are not “What percentage of pregnancies in this age bracket end in abortion?” Rather, those numbers are “What percentage of abortions are performed on mothers in this age bracket?”

    I seriously doubt that of mothers less than 15 years old, 99.7% carry their baby to term and only 0.3% kill the baby. So while your line “depending on the age of the mother, a US fetus’ likelihood of being aborted can be much lower than the overall average of 19%” might be correct, those numbers aren’t evidence for it.

    [D: Nothing gets past you, does it! I’ve added a title above the chart to clarify.]

  2. 7817 says:

    It’s like the BabylonBee, except more brutal.

  3. American says:

    I detect a note of sarcasm.

  4. Damn Crackers says:

    Looks like college graduation age is the prime age for abortion. Can’t let that baby get in the way of that lucrative HR or marketing job!

  5. Dave from Texas says:

    But they won’t be haaaaapy with a baby (even though they love taking care of a dog, and don’t forget the chicken mom)

  6. Daniel says:

    For 100 human embryos conceived:

    – 41 abnormal embryos do not develop properly
    – 21 normal embryos fail to implant in the womb
    – 8 undetected miscarriages (very early)
    – 5 clinical miscarriages
    – 6 abortions
    – 19 live births

    Of all people conceived:

    – 75% die of “natural causes” in the womb.
    – 6% are killed by abortion.
    – 19% survive till birth.

  7. James Pyles says:

    The abortion crowd think they’re “winning” (like Charlie Sheen), but the occurrence of abortions are going down year by year, which is a good thing.

  8. purge187 says:

    NYC has been on a roll lately. First I read about a cross-dressing 11-year-old kid dancing in an adult night club for gay men, and then the new Draconian abortion bill.

    “The Sum of All Fears” comes to mind.

  9. cynthia says:

    Notice that women of prime childbearing years are the ones who end the most pregnancies, and then it drops precipitously among women in their 30s and 40s.

    This is not lack of education in contraceptives. This is not women with multiple children choosing to not have more. These are cruel, selfish choices made in the service of fulfilling false ideals about what life “should be” for a “modern woman.”

  10. Burner Prime says:

    Surely ‘we can do better’. It’s ‘who we are’.

  11. Lexet Blog says:

    We should mandate sterilization for those who receive abortions. Pass that, and then you will see the rate sharply decline.

    On the upside, you also get evil people who can’t breed

  12. 3432 says:

    Awesome dalrock!

  13. Dalrock says:

    Note: I just swapped out the previous table showing the age breakdown of abortion for a CDC chart that better captures the question from an aspiring baby’s perspective.

  14. Heidi says:

    Definitely good news! And if you make it to the third trimester, you’ll even have a majority of people agreeing that you shouldn’t be killed, most of the time. https://www.forbes.com/sites/bowmanmarsico/2017/01/25/a-steady-march-in-public-opinion-on-abortion/#31cbc8be1b3c

  15. Paul says:

    1 in 5 babies are murdered by state-sponsored killers. No reason for joy at all.

  16. Frank K says:

    – 21 normal embryos fail to implant in the womb

    I wonder what percentage of those babies fail to implant due to contraceptives as opposed to natural causes.

  17. Another reason why women should simply not be granted the right to vote.
    Rights, authority and power must be commensurate (proportionate) with legal, financial, criminal and civil responsibility and accountability.
    Women have demonstrated that they are incapable of assuming responsibility and accountability.
    This explains the welfare state, VAWA, TimesUp, YesMeansYes, NY’s RHA, MeToo and Canada’s recent C-51 Sexual Assault provisions removing admissibility of any written, recorded or bonded witnesses to consent to sexual congress.

    Women can now destroy lives, reputations, companies and even babies after 24 weeks (61% baked) up to week 34, but the law does not explicitly limit or forbid abortions after week 34. Normal pregnancy is 39 weeks.

    They have proven over an over that compared to men – who essentially assume all legal and financial responsibility in virtually all facets of life – women are incapable of assuming any remotely similar. In fact, are not just incapable, they outright refuse.

    So how can we continue to stand here with the problem smacking us all directly in the face – over and over again – and continue to insist that’s not the real problem, and there must be another way?

  18. I wonder what percentage of those babies fail to implant due to contraceptives as opposed to natural causes.

    Or fail to implant due to obesity, alcoholism, THC from pot smoking, nicotine from vaping, or anti-depressants (SSRIs) which are all now standard fare among girls as young as 14 on to age 35 these days. The SSRI intake within this age demographic in the USA is staggering. And the other thing no one talks about is that once patients start taking SSRIs, they simply cannot stop.

  19. 7817 says:

    What do you think of Rollo’s argument that abortion is the ultimate expression of hypergamy?

  20. I think Rollo is correct. Abortion is the ultimate expression of female hypergamy.

    Unilateral reproductive rights and authority versus zero financial, legal, civil and criminal responsibility.

    All legal and financial responsibilities hoisted upon the state or the purported biological father, even if proven he is no the biological father.
    This means for women they can select alpha fucks AND select beta bucks OR a vaccum to suck out the infants brains, and the state of predominantly net male taxpayers helps you along on your “journey of discovery!!”.

    What’s there for the ladies not to like about that sweet, secure and carefree arrangement?

  21. Oscar says:

    @ 7817

    What do you think of Rollo’s argument that abortion is the ultimate expression of hypergamy?

    Child sacrifice (of which abortion is a subset) is the ultimate expression of idolatry.

  22. Jack Russell says:

    Some of the countries from Eastern Europe have a higher rate of abortion than the USA. If anyone is considering establishing a relationship with a woman from there, vet them well. Many women who only had one abortion can’t conceive due to botched procedure. There was a movie released last year about Kermit Gosnell, which the media didn’t seem to want to review or talk about and was pulled in theaters where is was drawing a good audience. Available on dvd.
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3722234/

  23. feeriker says:

    constrainedlocus says:
    February 6, 2019 at 11:46 am

    Maybe it needs to ultimately come down to two choices for women:

    1. living under the unquestionable authority of their fathers/husbands/eldest living male relatives, or

    2. A life prison sentence for crimes such as abortion, infanticide, or even fornication/adultery (the severity of the conditions of imprisonment would depend on the severity of the offense committed).

    Whichever option is chosen, it adds up to hard! patriarchy either way. Soft patriarchy might have been an option if women hadn’t decided collectively to take advantage of male leniency and succumb to their most feral natural impulses. Because they’ve done exactly that, leniency isn’t an option if human civilization is to be preserved.

    No, western men don’t have the stomach or gonads to impose this, so it’s nothing more than an idle thought experiment.

  24. Novaseeker says:

    Notice that women of prime childbearing years are the ones who end the most pregnancies, and then it drops precipitously among women in their 30s and 40s.

    This is not lack of education in contraceptives. This is not women with multiple children choosing to not have more. These are cruel, selfish choices made in the service of fulfilling false ideals about what life “should be” for a “modern woman.”

    Yes, it’s the prime attractiveness years aka “the party years” where it is most in demand, for the same basic reason that the same women in the same age range are generally avoiding getting married.

  25. SirHamster says:

    What do you think of Rollo’s argument that abortion is the ultimate expression of hypergamy?

    Child sacrifice (of which abortion is a subset) is the ultimate expression of idolatry.

    Note that chasing after dead idols in place of the life-giving God is the opposite of “marrying up”. Idolatry may feel like hypergamy, but it gives an inverted result.

    It’s hypogamy to seek death instead of life. But that is sin – taking our base urge to seek and appreciate what is good, and corrupting it to point in the wrong directions.

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  27. Oscar says:

    @ SirHamster

    Note that chasing after dead idols in place of the life-giving God is the opposite of “marrying up”. Idolatry may feel like hypergamy, but it gives an inverted result.

    It’s hypogamy to seek death instead of life. But that is sin – taking our base urge to seek and appreciate what is good, and corrupting it to point in the wrong directions.

    Isn’t that just like the Serpent, though?

    He promised Eve that she would be “like god” if she ate the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, and instead she and Adam got death and curses.

  28. Keith says:

    Where do you find Rollos argument about abortion ??

  29. “When Your President Calls You A Murderer”

    https://rewire.news/article/2019/02/06/when-your-president-calls-you-a-murderer/

    All I have is the truth, as much of it as I can hold in my hands. And the truth is that as much as I still hurt, in the quiet everyday moments, as much as I miss the child whose face I never saw, I can find in myself no regret, no shame, and no fear.

    If that makes me a monster, then perhaps this administration needs women like us to be monstrous, one of many in the arsenal of human terrors the president would apparently use to keep Americans afraid and in line. In response to such politics of fear, I have nothing to say but this, from the Psalm I sang at my son’s funeral: Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for Thou art with me. And I am not afraid.

    Since women are not responsible nor accountable for their decisions and actions, then it all falls onto men.
    It is therefore men who are the problem because we refuse to be adults and do what must be done.
    This human disgrace could be fixed decisively.
    But we don’t.
    And we won’t.
    Because we are weak and afraid.
    We are going to continue to let these overgrown children play around with matches, bottles kerosene and dynamite sticks and try to keep our distance.
    Then we are going to go to church, to listen to the instruction of unabashed heretics from the Sunday pulpit, and from the born again whores in the pews.
    Then in private we are going to rely on prayer to a higher power to fix everything in spite of the gifts He gave us to do all of what is required for ourselves.

  30. Opus says:

    I have been undergoing regression therapy and thanks to my therapist I now recall that as a foetus I was putting money on the fact that as my Mother was in one of the older cohorts of childbearers that my odds on survival were improved (that and the fact that at the time Abortion was both illegal and rare). It was not however unknown and thus I was recently intrigued to read of it in Mandeville (1723) what he had to say on the subject: he observed that it was the good girl who had remained chaste but on just the one occasion (yeah and I have some ocean front real estate in Utah) had fallen for the charms of some Cad the shame being such that she perforce underwent an abortion but the bad girl or whore (of which there seem to have been a lot) and with little or no reputation to lose was not tempted to dispose of the baby. Plus ce change – Rollo’s ultimate hypergamy.

  31. 7817 says:

    The argument is that women want to have the child of a masculine man, but a man that they consider as lower quality is not worth bearing a child for., and thus will be aborted.

  32. American says:

    @7817: Thanks for the link to that statement, “Abortion is the ultimate expression of Hypergamy.”

    So powerful. That statement resonates.

  33. Spike says:

    You missed what another reader did pick up, Dalrock: Babies are sacrificed to Molech the god of selfishness. he may have been a boutique go-to in Biblical times when things weren’t going your way, but he’s positively bloated with all those sacrifices now.

    19%? I thought that abortion was only for the rapes, incests or cases where the mother’s life is endangered. That’s a lot of rapes, incests and endangerments, but thankfully, they’re trending downward…
    And meanwhile, we import non-integrating barbarians into our culture that become nothing more than welfare parasites with the educational levels and mentalities of full-grown 8 year olds. Couldn’t we leave them OUT of our countries and home-grow our own, native babies instead, educating and acculturating them so they become the next generation of skilled workers and taxpayers? Two birds, one stone…
    And stay anonymous Dalrock. Any celebrity saying what you have today would get them excoriated in social media, their livelihoods and futures destroyed and their children ostracized. Unless you’re Mel Gibson.

  34. vfm7916 says:

    Feeriker,

    Lifetime imprisonment for Adultery/fornication? That’s wasteful.

    Sterilize and brand. Sometimes the best use of a life is to be a graphic warning to others.

    What’s more interesting is that in the totals, if we take the 20% average and 1 million average that would indicate 100,000 and 300,000 (rounded) for white and black babies respectively, though that would leave some 60% either unreported or hispanic, both unlikely. I’d say that the rates for both were much higher. I’d also wager that the rate for city-dwelling whites is significantly unreported due to failure to record their race.

    In terms of total babies, what’s the demographic makeup of live births annually?

  35. info says:

    @Spike
    ”And meanwhile, we import non-integrating barbarians into our culture that become nothing more than welfare parasites with the educational levels and mentalities of full-grown 8 year olds. Couldn’t we leave them OUT of our countries and home-grow our own, native babies instead, educating and acculturating them so they become the next generation of skilled workers and taxpayers? Two birds, one stone…”

    The bigger problem is that without constant population growth our Welfare Systems will not work.

    Welfare as it is done is a pyramid scheme. It should be abolished as it is. Welfare is why the European Union is importing Africans and Middle Eastern men to keep the Welfare system up.

    Our money system which is a Fractional debt based Money system requires more people constantly to be sustainable.

  36. 7817 says:

    Do you think the average church goer would grasp the point being made in this post? In my opinion it is a devastating exposure of the complementarian attitude, but I often fail to grasp what arguments would be convincing to other people.

  37. ray says:

    Aside from influence of powers and principalities, and aside from vast financial investments in the abortion industry (‘America is not a nation; it’s a business’), the reason that abortion is untouchable politically is because of the political, psychological, and sexual influence of modern women.

    Abortion is convenient to women, and in fact aside from Christian societies, abortion very much has been the norm across pagan cultures. Infanticide too of course as w/ Moloch and myriad other idols (loci of demonic energy or activity).

    Mass abortion entrenches in America because it’s A Woman’s Right, and NOBODY messes with Women’s Rights in the modern USA. Including the churches. Even when it’s about slaughtering kids in the womb, or the latest ‘progress’, slaughtering them after birth. Because women want it, BEHOLD THY DEITY! Who did Governor Abortionista Blackieface say made the child’s life/death decision? Mom and nobody but Mom. HALLELUMA!

  38. Spike says:

    constrainedlocus says:
    February 6, 2019 at 1:47 pm
    “When Your President Calls You A Murderer”
    https://rewire.news/article/2019/02/06/when-your-president-calls-you-a-murderer/

    Wow.
    Apart from the lady protesting too much – indicative of a guilty conscience, the other thing you can’t do is to confront them with the truth

  39. BillyS says:

    Some women are strongly pushed to abortion by others, but most today simply do it to avoid the consequences of their choices. I had an sister-in-law that used to call a baby book (all about baby development in the womb) a “horror book” because she had abortions and couldn’t face the consequences that she dismembered a child. Out of sight, out of mind in her case and the case of many.

    We live in a sinful world and too many churches fail to deal with the core root of much of the troubles we face.

  40. Anon says:

    The current push for legalized infanticide will lead to more anti-male legislation.

    Why?

    i) Cuckservatives believe that abortions only happen because a man made the woman do it. They truly believe this. Dalrock once posted a video of a neckbeard cuckservative stating exactly this.

    ii) Things like no-fault CS and imputation of income are cuckservative ideas, not leftist ones. Cuckservatives thought bribing women not to abort by giving them unconditional access to a man’s earnings, under debtor’s prison and ‘quota’ controls, would reduce abortion. The fact that it has not will not cause cuckservatives to revise their opinions.

    iii) Hence, when infanticide becomes legal, cuckservatives will assume that the only solution is to ratchet up the punishment on men even higher. Watch for it.

    Almost every cuckservative alive would support an 80% income tax on men, under the condition that the proceeds go to women (particularly single mothers). The desire to appear ‘chivalrous’ turns every cuckservative into the biggest police-state leftist you could possibly imagine.

  41. Keith says:

    7817 thank you, I’m not on Twitter or space book. I just read his blog and I can’t remember any blog post on abortion specifically. Hypergamy is the female reproductive strategy. Hypergamy is a adaptable strategy that changes as the social structure in society changes. Abortion has always been a overt solution to a covert sexual stratagem if abortion was not known and public records kept about it would it still be a problem. Abortion has always been around to some degree why do they make it a public problem except to achieve some goal. Acceptance is not the goal abortion has always been acceptable. It’s really a perfect problem in a form. You get church folks demanding and voting for sensible public charity like WIC and food stamps to try to prevent and reduce the abortion problem they can pat themselves on the back about. You get SJWs demanding equal medical treatment and government sponsored clinics so a poor girl can get the same abortion a middle class girl gets. Then they can pat themselves on the back. The tax payer gets the bill and happily pays knowing he is a part of the solution. It’s really a perfect problem that never needs solving. I mean think about it a million abortions at what maybe 1500.00 $ $ a pop subsidized or not that’s a economic giant by itself. I wonder if they is some other stuff we could turn into a public problems

  42. BillyS says:

    I would dispute that abortion has ever been acceptable in most circles. Some ancient civilizations would kill you for it, since it reduced the future population. Ironically, some of these also sacrificed infants to Baal and such, but they couldn’t have been aborted to do that either.

    We are a society built on murder, Infant Lives Matter. We will reap what we have sown, unfortunately for some of us that opposed that sowing.

  43. American says:

    @Info: It doesn’t if it’s managed correctly. However, as you point out it is NOT being managed correctly. As for the “Bank War,” that was hardly a solution as it resulted in a chaotic economic depression. The “Panic of 1837” ensued as a financial crisis and major recession that lasted until the mid-1840s negatively affecting virtually the entire nation. Out of 850 banks in the United States at the beginning of the panic: 343 closed entirely, 62 failed partially, and the system of state banks never fully recovered.

    Though economic recovery somewhat occurred, the remainder of the “free banking period” to the 1860s resulted in banks having an average lifespan of five years with half of the banks in the U.S. failing. Ups and downs continued to occur as government experimented until things mostly stabilized following the Great Depression. Unfortunately, the government began borrowing like crazy skyrocketing the national under Regan’s second term and that’s continued through every administration reaching the unbelievable level we see today. I can almost forgive Reagan as he used debt in his second term to bloodlessly collapse the sweeping empire of the Soviet Union which had sworn to bury us. But both Bushs, the Clintons, Obama, and at least the legislative branch under Trump are without excuse in my opinion.

  44. Sharkly says:

    Just a question for you all. In the Bible was there ever a case where God told us that he intervened and granted somebody, like a barren woman, a special baby that wasn’t a male?
    It just seems, to my recollection, that when God gave out babies, I only remember them being male. It is likely another clue, pointing away from Feminism, Egalitarianism, and Complementarianism, towards Patriarchy.

    God gave to barren Sarah, Isaac.
    God gave to barren Rebekah, fraternal twins, both boys, Esau & Jacob, not a boy & girl.
    God gave to barren Rachel, Joseph.
    God gave to the barren wife of Manoah, Sampson.
    God gave to barren Hannah, Samuel.
    God gave to the barren Shunamite woman, a son.
    God gave to barren Elizabeth, John the Baptist.
    God gave the virgin Mary, Jesus.

    For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:
    The chances of 9 children all randomly turning up male is 1 in 512. I doubt it is coincidental.
    From Mark 7:37 … He hath done all things well …
    I told my sons they were fortunate to be born male, in the image of God. In an effort to inoculate them against society’s evil contempt towards God & men.

  45. What do you think of Rollo’s argument that abortion is the ultimate expression of hypergamy?

    I kind of figured God had turned His back on Western Civilization the moment I read on a forum I once posted on where a woman aborted her unborn baby because she was getting married in 3 months and she didn’t want to look fat walking down the aisle. The fact that this woman wasn’t scorned and shunned by all was all it took for me to be convinced that giving women the vote was the beginning of the end of the Western world.

  46. feeriker says:

    …a woman aborted her unborn baby because she was getting married in 3 months and she didn’t want to look fat walking down the aisle. The fact that this woman wasn’t scorned and shunned by all was all it took for me to be convinced that giving women the vote was the beginning of the end of the Western world.

    She may not face any repercussions in this life, but what she’ll in the next one are unimaginable. For the sake of her eternal soul I hope she repents.

  47. feeriker says:

    “…face in the next one …”

  48. Opus says:

    I thought Americans might find the following of interest: Roe–v- Wade does not in legality extend beyond the continental shelf and so has no power where I am. Does this mean that we are free of abortion.? Not at all; this is what happened: Long before Roe -v- Wade in fact during the Summer of Love of 1967, The Abortion Act was enacted with the advice and consent of the Lords Temporal and Spiritual into law and this Act provided, that if not one but two medical professionals certified that the physical or mental health of the expectant mother was at risk then up to the twenty-sixth week of pregnancy that pregnancy might be terminated. I believe our take-up of abortion is no less than yours, however, we are also ahead of America in the case of Infanticide indeed we have been since if memory serves since 1906 (or was it 1922?) for in that year The Infanticide Act was passed whereby should a Mother postpartem kill her child then provided one or two medical professionals certified etc etc etc then although she would be guilty of Infanticide she would not be guilty of Murder. Infanticide is I have to say rare, and I have never come across it.

    Recently one of the proponent of the 1967 Act has said that (as always with liberals) his intentions were honourable but he has been dismayed at the way what was intended as help to what he assumed would be a small number of women has been treated as if we were the United States of America with no-fault abortion aka Abortion on Demand.

    Once upon a time I was a (founder) member of a certain legal society formed for the sole purpose of the protection of the unborn child. I was rather surprised to discover that my cuckservative professional colleagues did not share my views – Manginas the lot of them (who never got any of the pussy they so desperately craved).

  49. Oratorian says:

    Last Holocaust Memorial Day I played 80’s disco music on my car stereo and danced on the roof outside a synagogue to celebrate all the Jews who survived.

  50. Hmm says:

    I don’t recall any Biblical cases of a barren woman being given a daughter to bear, but that was most likely because of those words to Satan in fallen Eden: “I will put enmity between you and the woman, between your seed and her seed. He will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.” Women in all generations from Eve to Mary were looking to bear that “He” that would crush the head of the serpent.

    But Jesus did raise Jairus’ daughter from the dead.
    _____

    “Every generation hears the voice that comes from hell:
    ‘Sacrifice your children, and for you it will go well.'” — Michael Card

  51. info says:

    @Sharkly
    Many of those sons go on to become great men of God.

  52. info says:

    @American
    You know its quite a coincidence that the day the Dollar was taken off the Gold Standard that the Middle Class started disappearing.

    A nation without a healthy monetary system preferably backed by solid currencies like Gold or its equivalents through usury will destroy its middle classes ultimately.

    Our current level of inequality is unnatural and exacerbated by illegal immigration and cheap overseas migrant workers imported as a sort of slave class.

  53. info says:

    Turd Flinging Monkey if you are interested:

  54. Mad_Kalak says:

    Be happy that rate for black mothers is so high.

  55. Rollory says:

    Two things that always spring to my mind when this topic comes up:

    1) Do we really need more blacks in North America? How upset should we really be that blacks want less of themselves than whites do?

    2) Among the white women having abortions, what is the breakdown by culture and voting patterns? Do Democrat women and Republican women have abortions in equal proportion, or is it significantly tilted toward Democrats? If the latter (as I expect is likely), should we really be upset that Democrats are preferentially killing themselves off?

  56. Original Laura says:

    @info said, “Welfare as it is done is a pyramid scheme. It should be abolished as it is. Welfare is why the European Union is importing Africans and Middle Eastern men to keep the Welfare system up.”

    I have never understood this argument at all. If you import Somalians with an average IQ in the 60s along with a strong tendency toward criminality, you end up with a large group of people who will burden the welfare state from cradle to grave. My understanding is that white and Asian males, as a group, pay more into the U.S. system than they take out, while all other groups receive more than they contribute.

    It seems to be the same in Europe. Merkel brings in foreign “workers” who do not work and whose children do not work. How does mass immigration help the welfare state when the sort of factory jobs that these immigrants might be able to do simply do not exist anymore?

  57. Oscar says:

    @ Original Laura

    How does mass immigration help the welfare state when the sort of factory jobs that these immigrants might be able to do simply do not exist anymore?

    1. I’m an engineer in a manufacturing plant, and most of the people pouring into Europe wouldn’t be able to do the vast majority of jobs we have available.

    2. It doesn’t help the welfare state. Have you read about the Cloward-Piven strategy?

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy

  58. Mad_Kalak says:

    @Rollery

    The Libs are aborting their future voters, which is why they need to import them.

    Family transmission of voting preferences are the number one indicator of what party one will vote for; yes they can change, but usually if you were raised one way you vote that way for life, and it takes a massive event like a depression or war to change preferences.

  59. Rollory says:

    Mad_Kalak –

    That doesn’t answer either of my questions.

    It also presumes a cause-effect relationship that is not at all proven. The leftists I follow don’t at all think things through in terms of the next generation, they just take it for granted that politics is both completely independent of physical heritage and tends progressively leftward regardless of all other factors.

    Ironically enough, the right-Christian opposition to abortion in any and all circumstances is a precise mirror image of this belief – the connection to physical nature and consequences is simply disregarded. If so may left-wing babies weren’t aborted, there would be fewer left-wingers, because the underpants gnomes. Aborting babies must be bad, even if not aborting them would move us that much faster into the left singularity, because if there weren’t so many abortions we wouldn’t be so leftist. And if we had some ham, we could have some ham and eggs, if we had some eggs.

    The argument presumes the desired end state – a largely moral and right-of-center society – as the starting point for how and why to get there. It’s going after a symptom, not the cause. Even if abortion was outlawed today, the consequences would be the diametric opposite of what abortion opponents desire.

    It’s absolutely nuts.

    Thus my two questions.

  60. BillyS says:

    Many of those children would not have been conceived if the ability to kill them wasn’t so readily available.

    Another thing with abortion: We need to stop calling it under a euphemism and insist on calling it what it is, murder. (Especially the latest laws in this area.)

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