Grill envy

Since feminists are obsessed with invading all male spaces, it isn’t surprising that men grilling is a source of feminist envy.  Back in 2015 Jacob Brogan confessed his manly transgression at Slate:

I’m a feminist. I’m a dude. And I hate that I love to grill.

I hate how much I love to grill. It’s not that I’m inclined to vegetarianism or that I otherwise object to the practice itself. But I’m uncomfortable with the pleasure I take in something so conventionally masculine. Looming over the coals, tongs in hand, I feel estranged from myself, recast in the role of suburban dad. At such moments, I get the sense that I’ve fallen into a societal trap, one that reaffirms gender roles I’ve spent years trying to undo. The whole business feels retrograde, a relic of some earlier, less inclusive era.

Brogan describes finding an old photo of him grilling in grad school.  He explains that after looking at the old photo he realized that he fell into the trap every feminist fears of enjoying an act of service for others even though he assured himself at the time that he was only doing it ironically:

Though my eyes are downcast in the image, I’m not sad. Instead, I’m studying the burgers in front of me, and I’m happy.

This picture captures so much of what delights me about grilling and so much of what embarrasses me about that delight. On the one hand, there’s the peculiar alchemy of sun and smoke that makes summer days sprawl. On the other hand, it bears the stain of unintentional masculine cliché. Gathered around the coals with beers slung low, we’re all but enacting a myth of the American man, telling a story in postures and poses…

It’s not that I think we’re doing anything consciously sexist. Friends who were there that day remind me that we were actively making light of cookout customs even as we were participating in them. I suspect that everyone in the photograph identifies as a feminist. Yet the three of us look suspiciously like characters in a commercial, one where masculinity itself seems to be for sale.

Brogan isn’t alone in his male feminist angst about men grilling.  Mike Power laments at The Guardian that grilling is a way for men to be men and care for others in Why do normal men turn sexist when they get in front of a barbecue?

…the mythology of meat is well marbled with machismo. But, as several thousand years have passed since men had to kill our protein, make a fire, cook it and eat it, why is barbecuing seen as something women don’t or can’t – or, more accurately, shouldn’t – do? How – and why – do men continue to claim this sacred fire-space as a male-owned sanctuary where women are not permitted?

…it’s time to call time on the blokey barbecue huddle, that sizzling scrum, this grim last resort of acceptable sexism. Women of the world, unite. Burn their aprons, light the flames and cook. And men, drop the Bear Grylls pretensions and make a bloody salad.

Likewise, The Metro asks Why do barbecues bring out our inner sexists?

It’s a siren call from evolution, a chance to pretend to be a cave man, a way of reconnecting with all that manly hunter-gatherer power that gets sacrificed because you spend your days pushing papers around a desk rather than spearing a woolly mammoth.

But it’s a bit of an indulgence of masculinity, isn’t it?

The worst part is that men enjoy their act of service while women are forced to resent their own!

At every barbecue I’ve ever been to, it’s ended with the women clearing the plates, doing the washing up, making the salads, topping up the glasses and keeping the whole operation running, while the man cooks the meat, which is clearly the easier and more enjoyable job.

Obviously it is time for women to mark this last remaining space as feminine.  But who will empower women to grill?

Grill Master Christie Vanover Is Empowering Other Women To Grill

The feminist goal of course is not for women to grill for the reason men grill, as a way to serve and nourish their families.  The goal is to empower women to grill, so they can empower other women to grill, etc.  This is the patriarchy brilliantly keeping feminists out.  No matter how hard they try, they can’t do something simple, something effortless for men.  They can’t grill with the aim of caring for others.  If they can’t have what men have, then they have to tear it all down.

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86 Responses to Grill envy

  1. James Pyles says:

    I really get the feeling that the whole barbecuing thing is being way overanalyzed.

  2. Damn Crackers says:

    “Factors for the gender gap include what Bennett refers to as the “caveman mentality,” the intimidation factor of live fire, a lack of familiarity with what she calls “generational” barbecue (or kids who grew up with it as part of a family legacy) and few role models throughout an industry that has until recently tended to ignore the economic power of the female demographic.”

    https://www.kansascity.com/living/food-drink/article98599527.html

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  4. Fred Flange, GBFC (Great Books For Cucks) says:

    Can we find out what sorts of drugs Brogan and Power are taking that produce such otherworldly mindsets and cosmic consciousness whilst standing next to a carefully controlled burn of propane gas obtained from the local fill up for $20?

    Then sell me some of them. The stuff must be really good to get them that nutted. Perhaps I also can view the world from another dimension, or at least, think I can see it out of my left nostril.

    All I know is when I do the grilling I’m concentrating on the food (and sometimes veggies) without reducing them to blackened lumps. Then I clean the grill when it’s done, so I don’t know what this toe-nail munching is about the goils being stuck with cleanup duty. No time for me for such runic ruminations.
    I await enlightenment.

  5. “How – and why – do men continue to claim this sacred fire-space as a male-owned sanctuary where women are not permitted?”

    Since when? What planet do these people live on?

  6. GrillPowrr says:

    Quote from the article: “Why is barbecuing seen as something women don’t or can’t – or, more accurately, shouldn’t – do?”

    1.Men are trying to keep women on the kitchen, which is mean.
    2. Simultaneously, men are also trying to prevent women from cooking, which is mean.
    3. To point out that this doesn’t make sense is mean as you are acting entitled to a sensible argument.

    Lol. This is as good a time as any to stop pretending this isnt nonsense, and to disregard further rantings entirely.

  7. BillyS says:

    Most modern men have the Stockholm Syndrome. They are so used to being cut down they love it, unfortunately. This is true in both the church and the world in too many ways.

  8. BillyS says:

    GrillPower,

    Whatever men do is evil to many these days. Sad, but true.

  9. The Question says:

    @ Dalrock

    I think there’s even more to this. It’s not just envy of what masculine men do. It’s that the relationship is entirely one-sided regarding who envies who. Masculine men have no desire to be like effeminate men or feminists or to be around them. They don’t envy them or even think about them. They don’t want to be part of their groups, institutions or organizations. They gain nothing by their presence and would prefer they not be around, and in fact actively avoid them whenever possible.

    Yet these same people claim that masculine men are oppressing them even as they fight to gain access to every last unofficial activity or hobby of interest to masculine men.

    How much of that realization – that those they envy do not envy them art all – is actually driving their angst?

    A feminist male also resents masculine men because, unlike them, he has to constantly struggle to reconcile his ideology with his natural instincts. A masculine man doesn’t have to explain why he wants to grab his rifle and go shooting and then later have a BBQ while smoking stogies with his friends. He doesn’t feel the need to apologize for slapping perfectly-cooked burgers on the family table.

    The feminist man does. He is burdened in a way they are not, and he knows it. So he seeks the only thing he can for his troubles; pity from those who are “supposed” to appreciate his effort to be a “good man.”

  10. Oscar says:

    Grilling is the gateway drug to BBQ. And BBQ is awesome. Serving BBQ ribs to my family is one of my absolutely favorite things to do. My oldest son is 15, and already getting pretty good with the grill and the BBQ. Gotta keep the misogyny going!

  11. Anon says:

    Heh. The old George Foreman Grill infomercial from 1996 has an unacceptable level of masculinity in it by the standards of today’s femtwats. A masculine figure actually talks about boxing while pushing a grill with his name on it :

    Regarding Jacob Brogan :

    Always remember that a vocal ‘male feminist’ is always a creepy predator/rapist in disguise. Instapundit keeps a running tab on all the times when there is an incident attributed to a ‘male feminist’.

  12. Mycroft Jones says:

    Compare barbecue on a grill with Biblical practice of animal sacrifice. Most people don’t realize, sacrifices on an altar were essentially barbeques, which the worshippers ate. That is why the meat always had to be accompanied by beer (strong drink), wine, and bread. And what man barbecues without the white apron and chef’s hat? Think of the priestly garments when officiating at the altar.

    For the most part men’s priesthood of the family has been removed. The barbeque ritual is a vestigial remnant, operating on an unconscious level. Also as per the Bible, priesthood is exclusively male.

    When Rogan spoke of the “Sacred fire space” he was being more literal than he even knew.

  13. JRob says:

    Can we find out what sorts of drugs Brogan and Power are taking that produce such otherworldly mindsets and cosmic consciousness whilst standing next to a carefully controlled burn of propane gas obtained from the local fill up for $20?

    Undoubtedly the same ones Joe Jackson allegedly gave Michael at the onset of puberty.

  14. MattyIce says:

    What a truly miserable life these feminists live. Every sentence is cringe inducing and just sad.

  15. Cane Caldo says:

    Stop teaching grills to be subservient to men!

  16. Joe says:

    Funny story…

    My wife loves it when I bbq, which is often. When we were dating, she had a bbq in her backyard.

    She never cleaned the grill when she was done.

    Up to that point in my life, I never bbq’d because of the whole grill cleaning mess, even though I had a built in gas grill hooked up to the natural gas line at my house (it was there when I bought it). My dad made a huge deal out of grill cleaning, and I wanted no part of that. So much work…
    I bbq’d one time at her house early in our relationship, at her suggestion, and started the grill cleaning, she’s like “why are you doing that? The hot coals practically sterilize it”.

    Me: “Whaaaat… you mean I don’t have to do that?”

    Her: “I don’t really see the point”.

    And I embraced it.

    This from a women who keeps our home spotless, somehow almost without me seeing her do it.

    So for 30+ years, no grill cleaning. Adds flavor if you ask us.

  17. Lost Patrol says:

    Jacob Brogan, Mike Power

    Merriam-Webster
    enabler, noun
    Definition of enabler
    : one that enables another to achieve an end especially : one who enables another to persist in self-destructive behavior (such as substance abuse) by providing excuses or by making it possible to avoid the consequences of such behavior

    Allow me to edit for clarity: (such as substance abuse feminism)

    It’s been discussed before of course, but if you’re at all new here be sure and look around at the guys like Brogan and Power from this OP. They are easy to find with your glasses on, and they are the biggest part of the problem.

    P.S. How can you tell if a feminist is happy? You can’t, because they are going to lie about it.

  18. feministhater says:

    Gosh, what a life. Complaining and nagging about absolutely everything.

    I don’t care. Leave us men alone and go make a sandwich and a salad. Male feminist bitches! I hope they at least had the decency to slice off their nads with a Gillette razor blade.

  19. feministhater says:

    Nothing better than a braai. Boerewors, mutton chops, chicken kebabs, pork ribs, fresh garlic bread, beer, sun and some good company..

  20. Frank K says:

    I’m a feminist. I’m a dude. And I hate that I love to grill.

    How beta can one get?

  21. Opus says:

    Anon is right: those that are most vociferous against some behaviour always and without exception are those who will do the very thing they claim to hate and on which they virtue signal; those who brag about their high N are those who never get laid; those who claim they could never be ‘racist’ are the ones who treat with disdain their latina maids and are rude about their immigrant neighbours; (us racists get on with our neighbours acknowledging that Karachi is not Walton-on-Thames and thus making allowances) and those who white-knight for their female employees are always the Betas who commit adultery in their hearts (though probably no where else).

    I can only think that I have ever and only once been to a barbeque – a man grilled and clearly had no intention of relinquishing his position. Really, walking around with a plate of food in one hand and a drink in the other is both impracticable and undignified. Not a big thing over here – like nudism – what with the weather being as it is.

  22. Carnivore says:

    Women don’t know how to grill. Exhibit 1: What woman could come up with the following?

  23. Anchorman says:

    The worst part is that men enjoy their act of service while women are forced to resent their own!

    That’s a great observation.
    I often heard about “slaving over a hot stove.”
    As a father, I cooked – a lot. I never looked at it as a burden. I would try to find ways to take very mundane ingredients/recipes and improve for pennies. Meatloaf was a prime example.
    I also took over holiday meals. I didn’t mind doing it and liked the challenge of having multiple dishes reach the finish line within 5 minutes of each other. I also took pride in finishing cooking and starting a dishwasher, so all the prep dishes were cleaning while we ate. I did this because my mother (great woman and great cook) was a messy cook and it drove me nuts, because post-dinner dishes were mountains of pots and plates.
    My ex really made conscious “low effort” meals. Boxed meals and such. I always chalked it up to her saying she was too tired.
    But the more time passes and the more she showed what was underneath, I think she really resented making food for other people, especially when she didn’t like food with fat or meat.

  24. Dalrock says:

    @Oscar

    Grilling is the gateway drug to BBQ. And BBQ is awesome. Serving BBQ ribs to my family is one of my absolutely favorite things to do. My oldest son is 15, and already getting pretty good with the grill and the BBQ. Gotta keep the misogyny going!

    A friend needed a place to store his electric smoker (among other things) for a few months this summer. It gave me the chance to get my feet wet. I’m holding off on buying a real smoker for the time being but I’ve found I can fairly easily use my Weber kettle and whatever wood I like for short smoking times (around 2 hrs) in the interim. I absolutely love it.

  25. Anchorman says:

    Masculine men have no desire to be like effeminate men or feminists or to be around them.

    There is a natural inclination to like what the alpha likes and dislike what the alpha dislikes gives feminists mixed signals.
    Men like feminine, but (most) don’t want to be feminine.
    So, feminists conclude there is something wrong with the feminine and imitate the masculine to gain subconscious approval. See Katniss shooting arrows and such.
    They have difficulty denying their feminine nature, but desperately want the approval of the men.
    They try to walk a muddy middle ground that ruins the unique flavor of each. Feminine without the charm and grace. Masculine without the resolve and temperament.

  26. Anchorman says:

    Dalrock, regarding smokers, get one that is easy to clean.
    Unlike a grill, you need to keep the smoker clean or your meat will blacken with residue.
    Lesson learned for me.

  27. Spike says:

    Jacob Brogan: get spayed now. Better still, get neutered like a domestic pet. You are already neutered in your brain.

  28. Nick Mgtow says:

    GrillPowrr says:
    January 28, 2019 at 1:43 pm

    Quote from the article: “Why is barbecuing seen as something women don’t or can’t – or, more accurately, shouldn’t – do?”

    1.Men are trying to keep women on the kitchen, which is mean.
    2. Simultaneously, men are also trying to prevent women from cooking, which is mean.

    First, because it’s risky! You can burn yourself lighting a barbecue, plus, believe me, if a man goes into the kitchen chatting the other wives, the other ones are gonna get very jealous and suspicious.

    *****

    Mycroft Jones says:
    January 28, 2019 at 2:42 pm

    Compare barbecue on a grill with Biblical practice of animal sacrifice. Most people don’t realize, sacrifices on an altar were essentially barbeques, which the worshippers ate. That is why the meat always had to be accompanied by beer (strong drink), wine, and bread. And what man barbecues without the white apron and chef’s hat? […]

    Did you know that feminists are now complaining that there aren’t enough female chefs, there aren’t enough female chefs with a Michelin star?

    ***

    Feminists hate masculinity with a passion, sipmly because no matter what they do, they will never be men. So, they tear down men.

    I don’t know for you who has spare time, but, have you ever watched the show Supergirl? The show sucks! It sucks! It sucks! But, worse of all, is that they constantly throw jabs at Superman because envy.

    You’d have to pay me to watch that show. And like a lot.

  29. tteclod says:

    My wife enjoys when I grill. It means she’s not cooking.
    Another poaster was right: the attack on grilling isn’t an attack on men, per se, it’s an attack on men at home with a wife and their children. “Down with Patriarchy!” is the slightly safer battle cry of “Fuck you, Dad!”

  30. feeriker says:

    The worst part is that men enjoy their act of service while women are forced to resent their own!

    I think the day is drawing near when men won’t care whether or not women appreciate acts of male “service” (such as serving up good chargrilled steaks and chops or a kicker slab of apple-smoked ribs – all of which is not a “service,” but something men love to do that women get spillover benefits from). Men will just be doing these things to satisfy themselves. If the women want to partake, fine. If not, they can fark off and quit whining and let the guys enjoy some brats and beer in peace.

    My wife loves it when I bbq, which is often. When we were dating, she had a bbq in her backyard.

    I don’t let my wife anywhere near the grill. The kitchen is all hers whenever she wants it, but the grill is MY domain, end of discussion. Good thing she doesn’t like the idea of “manning” the grill, because it “get’s [her] dirty.”

    I often heard about “slaving over a hot stove.”

    Any woman who bitches and moans about having to spend time in the kitchen cooking a meal shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near one. Odds are that one who so complains can’t cook worth a shit anyway and knows it. She’s just bitching because 1) that’s what women do best, and 2) she’s furious because she knows that her husband could cook a better meal in his sleep and with less effort than she could while “knocking herself out,” thus proving that cooking a meal has ZE-RO to do with “slavery.” She’s just lazy and talentless when it comes to preparing food.

  31. Carnivore says:

    “Did you know that feminists are now complaining that there aren’t enough female chefs, there aren’t enough female chefs with a Michelin star?”

    Reminds me of the time a couple years back, was going through all the old ‘French Chef’ shows of Julie Child that are available on youtube. (Yes, I enjoy cooking.) In one episode she made a casual, passing remark, without the least hint of sarcasm or snarkiness, that “everyone knows the best chefs are men”. I only wish I had saved a link to it or noted the episode.

  32. Big20s says:

    Generally I don’t like cooking, but I don’t mind grilling. Now I know why.

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  34. I will be grilling all day Superbowl Sunday. All day. And I can’t wait. We are having a houseful of people and I provide the protein. I love to grill, love my barbeque. Love it. Burgers, dogs, and ribs. They will all be grilled.

    To grill fulfills the patriarchal urge of the “hunt.” It could only be better if I could actually KILL what I grill.

  35. Nick Mgtow says:

    Carnivore, never heard of her. Pity 😕

  36. Jean says:

    Good heavens, it’s cooking meat. Period. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Not everything is a political statement.

  37. feeriker says:

    Not everything is a political statement.

    Unless you’re a feminist.

  38. Hipster Racist says:

    At least for the “male feminists” this is a kind of “humble-brag.” “I’m a feminist and admit this is problematic – (wink, wink) – but I’m totally a manly man too!”

    It’s similar to how right-wing and left-wing anti-whites spew the most “racist” stereotypes and diatribes, but “acknowledge” how “problematic” they are.

    The real question is, does anyone read this stuff, and if so, who actually pays these people to write all this boring claptrap? With the massive layoffs at Buzzfeed and the death of “journalism” in general, the answer is, apparently, “fewer and fewer ever day.”

    Thank you, Jesus.

  39. Hipster Racist says:

    How this rhetoric always works:

    why is barbecuing seen as something women don’t or can’t – or, more accurately, shouldn’t – do?

    First, I can’t recall anyone, at any time, in my entire life, suggesting that women don’t, or can’t – much less “shouldn’t” – barbecue. In fact, my mother and my sister always made extremely tasty barbecue and typically my dad couldn’t be bothered. And my entire family were rather conventional when it came to “gender roles.”

    So, apparently, these so-called “progressives” grew up – and currently socialize – in extremely bizarre circles where women aren’t allowed to cook meat, lest they be “masculinized” and “shamed” while men have to in order to feel “manly.”

    @James Pyles

    I really get the feeling that the whole barbecuing thing is being way overanalyzed.

    It reminds me of all those Jewish psychiatrists in the 1950s saying Christian women had “penis envy” and Christian men who respected their fathers were “fascists” and everyone was “sexually repressed.” Carl Jung had it right – Freud and his co-religionists were simply projecting their own very strange hang-ups onto their perceived enemies – essentially, everyone but themselves.

  40. Oscar says:

    @ Dalrock

    A friend needed a place to store his electric smoker (among other things) for a few months this summer. It gave me the chance to get my feet wet. I’m holding off on buying a real smoker for the time being but I’ve found I can fairly easily use my Weber kettle and whatever wood I like for short smoking times (around 2 hrs) in the interim. I absolutely love it.

    I bought the least expensive Traeger electric smoker a few years back, and I love it. One of these days I might be brave enough to build myself a brick BBQ pit.

  41. Hmm says:

    @Joe: “So for 30+ years, no grill cleaning. Adds flavor if you ask us.”

    I call it Classical cooking – in ancient Grease.

  42. Lost Patrol says:

    Not everything is a political statement.

    Unless you’re a feminist.

    Men cooking meat for men, women, and children. Women hardest hit. It’s easy to find the political statement in everything once you get the rhythms down.

  43. RICanuck says:

    A little song for Jacob Brogan:

  44. Jack Russell says:

    There are many stories about cleaning grills with wire brushes. There are many other online articles about this topic
    https://www.countryliving.com/food-drinks/news/a43642/viral-warning-grill-brush-wire-in-throat/

  45. ray says:

    “the mythology of meat is well marbled with machismo”

    — Mike Power

    Dear Lord please get me out of here soon. Thanks.

  46. ray says:

    Mycroft Jones — “Compare barbecue on a grill with Biblical practice of animal sacrifice.”

    Brilliant. Defending a nice fat masculine BBQ with Biblical grilling precedent.

    They said it couldn’t be done.

  47. Spike says:

    Off topic Dalrock (apologies) but pure gold nonetheless:

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/lesbian-feminist-transgender-activism-is-a-mens-rights-movement/

    It seems that lesbians are now panicked that the ‘T’ part of LGBTIQ is going ”to erase them completely” and that somehow ”it is a Men’s Rights Movement”, followed by -wait for it – demands that men fix it. I quote:

    ”This is a Men’s Rights movement — this is really a Men’s Rights movement,” Dansky declared, calling for men to stand up for women and denounce the transgender movement”.

    -Dansky being a lesbian, feminist and lawyer for the Women’s Liberation Front (WoLF) !!

  48. Oldřich says:

    “Serve and nourish their families” – yeah, we work. Women live in a world of relationships, if they want to spend some time in a garden, they just brew some coffee, sit down and go at it, comparing our penis and paycheck sizes.

    My hands tend to itch when I just sit around like that. Its good to have something to do. I do not see a reason to go for deep mythology. If my wife grilled me a steak while I was pruning tres, I certainly wouldn’t be mad at her.

  49. Cane Caldo says:

    The feminist goal of course is not for women to grill for the reason men grill, as a way to serve and nourish their families. The goal is to empower women to grill, so they can empower other women to grill, etc.

    You think the bitterness has to run out, but it is endless.

    This is the patriarchy brilliantly keeping feminists out. No matter how hard they try, they can’t do something simple, something effortless for men. They can’t grill with the aim of caring for others.

    Modern women can’t, no. Many can barely cook with a stove operated by knobs and buttons. This too is, of course, a plot of the patriarchy:
    – Build stoves
    – Improve them
    – Teach teach women to depend on reliable heat
    – Shut women out of the lucrative open-flame market by imposing a non-standard temperatures ceiling under it.

  50. American says:

    So I’m at the store paying for my barbecue meats that I intend to barbecue, along with some of those 12 packs of canned diet soda and I reached over to put the 12 pack boxes of soda into the cart after the dainty 19 year old female cashier had moved them over the barcode reader and rung them up. She started in about how sexist it was of me to think she couldn’t handle them.

    I laughed and said I don’t care what she thinks but rather I care about getting my merchandise into the cart because I have places to go and things to do and she’s obviously 100 lbs of water to my 200 plus pounds of muscle and finish ringing it up so I can get on the road. She wanted to argue about feminism but I told her to write a book about it that I wouldn’t read and needed to leave. Little miss feminist, everywhere I go anymore. You’d have to be out of your freaking mind to marry one of those mentally disordered things.

  51. Swanny River says:

    American,
    That’s a good example of the saturation of our culture of feminism. It’s a reminder to me of my dating days with Christians. American goes got it bad, they are toxic, and it’s seeping into the whole world, one via one conservative father at a time.

  52. Swanny River says:

    American girls, not goes.

  53. Thank goodness I live in Britain where barbeques are far from common. We don’t get the weather and most British back gardens are too small for more than about 4 – 6 people.
    Feminists are such relentless troublemakers, they know perfectly well that few women actually want to grill as we don’t want our clothes and hair to smell and our make -up to run.
    If my husband and I hosted a barbeque I would expect him to grill. Prior to reading this article it would never have occurred to me to feel oppressed by the right of a man grilling at a barbeque. Men grilling seems to me the natural order of things. No doubt any lurking feminists will be shaking their heads and pitying me for my ‘internalised misogyny’.

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  55. Actually are we women oppressing men by expecting them to get all hot and sweaty at the grill while we stand aloof waiting for our food?

  56. Scott says:

    Only in a society this far down the spiral of civilizational collapse could men weeping and gnashing their teeth over how bad they feel about enjoying outdoor cooking exist.

  57. Paul says:

    @Joe she’s like “why are you doing that? The hot coals practically sterilize it”.

    You shouldn’t worry about a few bacteria, worry about the black residues. Most of these are toxic and known to cause cancer. Which is why you should be careful with a barbecue anyway.

    https://www.gq.com/story/health-myth-does-burnt-meat-cause-cancer

  58. Paul says:

    @MJ Most people don’t realize, sacrifices on an altar were essentially barbeques, which the worshippers ate.

    Your tongue-in-cheek comparison is very witty, but actually the sacrificial system was more complicated, and not all meat was to be eaten, and not by all worshippers. Although the book of Leviticus is skipped by many, especially the sections about the sacrifices, it effectively describes the core of the Jewish religion and is very instructive to read if you keep in mind its symbolic significance for Christ’s sacrifice.

  59. Hugh Mann says:

    Spike – lesbian feminists are for obvious reasons the core of the opposition to trans “women” occupying previously female-only spaces. What’s amazing is how many defeats they have suffered at the hands of the trans “women”. It’s almost like men (even with dresses on) are more aggressive or something.

    Also OT, I’ve long been sceptical of the idea touted on some male sites that sexbots are the future and will cause many men to give up on women altogether. Here’s a woman with the same fantasy about bots for women – even less likely IMHO. Warp speed hamstering if you ask me, but note that the she thinks her imagined future, where we’re always plugged in to Google, Amazon and Apple, is an utopia, not a dystopia. Brave New World as blueprint, not as warning.

    https://bostonreview.net/print-issues-gender-sexuality/cathy-oneil-history-cyborg-sex

  60. GregMan says:

    If you REALLY want to repress women, use charcoal, not propane.

  61. ray says:

    Paul —

    People are having fun with it. They know about the OT Hebrew sacrificial systems. God isn’t offended by us yukking about the modern world.

  62. Keith says:

    Grilling and BBQ is the old school version of a man cave

  63. feeriker says:

    …I reached over to put the 12 pack boxes of soda into the cart after the dainty 19 year old female cashier had moved them over the barcode reader and rung them up. She started in about how sexist it was of me to think she couldn’t handle them.

    I laughed and said I don’t care what she thinks but rather I care about getting my merchandise into the cart because I have places to go and things to do and she’s obviously 100 lbs of water to my 200 plus pounds of muscle and finish ringing it up so I can get on the road. She wanted to argue about feminism but I told her to write a book about it that I wouldn’t read and needed to leave. Little miss feminist, everywhere I go anymore. You’d have to be out of your freaking mind to marry one of those mentally disordered things.

    The old saying “you get more of what you subsidize” was on full display here.

    We’re going to be seeing more and more of this feral female behavior because we, collectively as a society, have been subsidizing it for the last half to three quarters of a century. By “subsidizing,” I mean “failing to correct it immediately, swiftly, and painfully.”

    Misguided as it is, I fully understand the urge by growing numbers of American men to welcome the standards set by Wahhabi Islam when it comes to reining in feral female behavior.

  64. Opus says:

    No doubt about it, Great Britain does not do Barbeques. A year or two back the failing Homebase was sold to an Australian conglomerate (oh you don’t have Homebase – I am very sorry and now neither do we) who (so my friend who does have a BBQ informed me) have imported from Australia a lot BBQ inappropriately large equipment (Australia does Barbies) and which are just not selling. My friend thought the Ozzies clueless as to how to run a large store in Great Britain and would regret paying £377,000.00 for Homebase. BBQs are for Colonists.

  65. ray says:

    Bear Gyrlls should open a line of BBQs called well of course, the ‘Bear Grills’. Market it to gelded American men as a way of ‘regaining their gonies’. Lecture them and jab fingers at them from the other side of the TV.

    Make a mint.

  66. American says:

    Leftardology destroys children: https://spectator.org/the-rocky-horror-ideology-show/

    A mother’s account: “My daughter at age 14 spontaneously decided she is actually a male.” This child was diagnosed with several mental health issues (“co-morbidity” is common in such cases https://waltheyer.com/62-7-of-transgenders-have-untreated-mental-disorders/ ) and had been “spending a large amount of time on the Internet” before announcing her new “male” identity: “At age 16 my daughter ran away and reported to the Department of Child Services that she felt unsafe living with me because I refused to refer to her using male pronouns or her chosen male name.” Without the mother’s knowledge, a doctor began providing her daughter — still a minor — with testosterone. The girl “then ran away to Oregon where state law allowed her at the age of 17 without my consent or knowledge to change her name and legal gender in court and undergo a double mastectomy and a radical hysterectomy.”

    –>Now age 19, “my once beautiful daughter is … homeless, bearded, in extreme poverty, sterilized, not receiving mental health services,” the mother wrote. “The level of heartbreak and rage I am experiencing as a mother is indescribable.”

    Leftards and the organizations they corrupted (e.g. academia, associations, etc…) turning children into mentally ill behaviorally disordered trannys all over the U.S. today. Her once normal beautiful daughter now is a poor, homeless, disfigured, sterile, mentally ill side-show circus freak.

  67. Oscar says:

    @ American

    Her once normal beautiful daughter now is a poor, homeless, disfigured, sterile, mentally ill side-show circus freak.

    In other words, she’s indistinguishable from her fellow Portlandians.

  68. Frank K says:

    Without the mother’s knowledge, a doctor began providing her daughter — still a minor — with testosterone.

    Meanwhile, it is my understanding, that the school nurse can’t give an aspirin/ibuprophen/etc. to a child without a guardian’s consent, but abortions, and other horrors as described above are A-OK, mom’s and dad’s permission are not required.

  69. Frank K says:

    BBQs are for Colonists.

    My SIL and her husband in the UK have a grill. It’s on the smaller side, but it works, and they use it occasionally. What is funny is that the propane tank is huge, more than twice the size of the ones we use in the US.

  70. Frank K says:

    I reached over to put the 12 pack boxes of soda into the cart after the dainty 19 year old female cashier had moved them over the barcode reader and rung them up. She started in about how sexist it was of me to think she couldn’t handle them.

    FWIW, I have not observed this kind of behavior at the supermarket in my neck of the woods, if anything they are always super friendly. But if I ever do encounter a feral cashier, I will promptly call for the store manager and and explain that the staff insulting me, a paying customer, and calling me names is utterly unacceptable and demand that the offending cashier be fired. And the store I shop at is not union (that could be the problem).

  71. Frank K says:

    Here’s a woman with the same fantasy about bots for women – even less likely IMHO.

    Unless said bot earns a paycheck and turns it all over to her, fixes the car and everything that breaks in the house, does the yard work,all the cooking and cleaning no woman would want it. But even if it did all those things, she would quickly find something wrong with it.

  72. SirHamster says:

    Stop teaching grills to be subservient to men!

    More Grill Power.

  73. Anon says:

    American,

    So I’m at the store paying for my barbecue meats that I intend to barbecue, along with some of those 12 packs of canned diet soda and I reached over to put the 12 pack boxes of soda into the cart after the dainty 19 year old female cashier had moved them over the barcode reader and rung them up. She started in about how sexist it was of me to think she couldn’t handle them.

    Dude, you missed a PERFECT chance to let her visibly humiliate herself and do a lot of heavy lifting that she didn’t need to do. All at the low cost of being just a few minutes late.

    Sad to say, you fell for the typical chivalrous trap – you saved a ‘feminist’ from herself, when you should have let her rupture her spleen like she wanted to. You would have had a fantastic story for your barbecue too.

    Sad to say, people like you who fail to let the cookie crumble the way nature wants it to are keeping this status quo going longer than it needs to.

  74. feeriker says:

    Dude, you missed a PERFECT chance to let her visibly humiliate herself and do a lot of heavy lifting that she didn’t need to do. All at the low cost of being just a few minutes late.

    Sad to say, you fell for the typical chivalrous trap – you saved a ‘feminist’ from herself, when you should have let her rupture her spleen like she wanted to. You would have had a fantastic story for your barbecue too.

    Heck, now that I think about it (and it should have been obvious at first), the thing to do here would have been to DEMAND that the chick bag your heavy load, maybe even insist that she carry it all the way out to your car for you. After all, you’re the paying customer, right? It’s HER job (or some other chick standing at the end of the belt) to bag your groceries for you. Why SHOULD you have to do it yourself when that’s what she’s being paid for? Make her EARN her damned paycheck.

    A minor way to black knight, sure, but every little bit helps.

    But if I ever do encounter a feral cashier, I will promptly call for the store manager and and explain that the staff insulting me, a paying customer, and calling me names is utterly unacceptable and demand that the offending cashier be fired.

    Let me know if they respond. If they’re a typical chain grocery store, if they don’t just ignore your complaint (the most likely outcome), they’ll probably ridicule you or even ban you from shopping there in the future for hurting their snowflake’s feelings.

  75. SirHamster says:

    Let me know if they respond. If they’re a typical chain grocery store, if they don’t just ignore your complaint (the most likely outcome), they’ll probably ridicule you or even ban you from shopping there in the future for hurting their snowflake’s feelings.

    Don’t need to grand stand. Learn from GamerGate, put them on trial by “just asking questions” with much concern.

    “Can I talk to your manager?”

    “Hey, this cashier started ranting me when I tried to take my stuff after I paid for it. Is this the sort of customer service I should expect from your store?”

    “I didn’t appreciate it. Do you want me to continue shopping here?”

    No need for threats. Be excessively polite. The process is the punishment. Bonus points if you hold up the register and create a big line to be an audience to the drama.

  76. SirHamster says:

    The key is that you want them to make the statements, which they will feel the need to defend and justify, and that will motivate them correct their own actions to line up with their words.

    No demands, just ask questions for clarification. And if they don’t want you to shop there, that’s excellent to know! Why give them more money?

  77. American says:

    You guys are cracking me up. The store was a Target in the Los Angeles area and I was in a rush. I’ll make sure to do better next time :). Maybe even a mangina white knight will be in line behind me and take offense. That would be even better. I could kill two birds with one stone so to speak, although I wouldn’t want it to get out of hand to the point where it makes the nightly news. Now I have to finish this work assignment and pump some iron. These arms have become a gift from God who I thank for them.

  78. Oscar says:

    @ American

    in the Los Angeles area

    That’s the problem, right there.

  79. Marquess, My Mixtape says:

    [Men] are so used to being cut down they love it, unfortunately.

    CUCKLYFE 4EVA WIGGAS

    Dey BBQ franks, u cuttin off cranks. CUCKLYFE

    Kneegrow to da dirt, u wearin his shirt. CUCKLYFE

    Pussyhat skank, u buyin hur drank. CUCKLYFE

    Wifes son at schul, pill makin him drool. CUCKLYFE

    Mortgaged yo hide, princess Masters dat ride. CUCKLYFE

    (Six years, wigga. Six. Years. Riding that carousel for six years. You in for sixty, undischargable, wigga. DMV Wanda, PhD, Univ of Phoenix Night School, Assistant Dean of Student Life, Healthy Promiscuity and Kulak Suppression pull up to your son’s struggle session in her Audi, wiggah. Keep preppin that bull. PREP THAT BULL)

    Preist takin yo tithe, queefing rainbow death strife. CUCKLYFE

    Buyin Mach 3, u sittin to pee. CUCKLYFE

    CUCKLYFE, THE ONE AND ONLY LIFE 4 U AND 4 ME

    TWERK IT LIKE POPE FRANCIS

    “I’m a feminist. I’m a dude. And I hate [myself]”

    Word to yo hamster.

  80. Nick Mgtow says:

    American, if you don’t mind, let me share my story for you, so that you enjoy by procuration: I’m a very industrious man, and, 2 summers ago, I was coming out of my building with a huge attaché case, going to a rendezvous with a potential partner. It was a bit before noon, but still , already warm day.

    I cheer the cleaning lady, and my communist neighbor, entering the building asks if I’m leaving for holidays.

    I answer that I’m going to work.

    He answers that he’d never work so hard on that kind of day. He chose teaching so he could enjoy sunny days like that.

    I hide my contempt for that remark when I know how greedy communists are when hard workers finally get wealthy and refuse to share with them. The Grasshopper and the Ant, I think.

    I just answer politely that I have worked harder than that. In construction, during summer. In welding. So, meeting someone in an air conditioned place is no big deal for me.

    And you know what the woman tells me? “Oh, it’s not that hard to work in construction, you men brag about almost nothing!”

    I instantly:
    “Yeah, that’s why I didn’t see a single woman in construction during all those months?”
    The woman and him: 😮😮

    The most amusing thing was that that communist “man” was more offended than the woman, he almost chocked on his saliva when he heard that. He wanted to argue, but I had better things to do, and went on my way.
    I still cheer when thinking about it.

  81. ray says:

    Whoa that cuck life
    iiiiit ain’t no good life
    Ah! but it’s their life.

  82. FNG says:

    Please, please let them try to fry a turkey.

  83. a bee ee? says:

    If they want to grill, let them clean the damn thing after.

    That reminds me–got to fill the propane bottle today.

  84. American says:

    @Nick Mgtow, I hear you loud and clear. A simple “thank you for all that you do” would suffice but most females and all manginas are too immersed in ignorance, deception, and denial. Good job grabbing hold of that and peeling it back so they could catch a glimpse of reality if only for a minute.

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