Hail to the V.

Reader Oscar wrote:

I finally got around to watching the History Channel’s “Knightfall” fictional series about the final days of the Knights Templar, and imagine my surprise when one of the central plot points is that the Paris Temple Master has an affair with the Queen of France, and gets her pregnant.

Their justification for their illicit (on multiple levels) affair? “We’re in love!” What else could it be?

The “best” part? At one point, the knight is kneeling before the altar, asking God for guidance, when he has a vision in which the Queen is standing in front of him (where the altar was), and he’s kneeling before her with his forehead on her belly. I’ve never seen a more literal depiction of a man worshiping a vagina.

This stuff really is striking, and once you know how to spot it, it is everywhere.

In fact, the very reason we don’t tend to spot this is it really is everywhere.  It is commonplace, and more importantly it is what we fundamentally believe.  It is fairly easy to spot when it takes on the Old Testament form of idol worship, as was recently reported on by the Christian Post: Liberal Lutheran pastor to melt purity rings into vagina sculpture to ‘take down’ church teachings about sex

“Beginning November 12th, until December 17th, you’ll have the opportunity to send in your purity rings to be melted down and recast into a golden vagina,”

…those who send in their rings will then receive a “certificate of Impurity as well as a SHAMELESS, impurity ring.”

“This thing about women that the church has tried to hide and control and that is a canvas on which other people can write their own righteousness ― it’s actually ours,” Bolz-Weber told HuffPost. “This part of me is mine and I get to determine what is good for it and if it’s beautiful and how I use it in the world.”

We can easily spot the problem in the case of creating a golden vagina idol because this departs from the narrative we are so comfortable with, the sexual morality that comes from what we call chivalry.  However when Pastor Doug Wilson describes the distinct aroma of love that God uses to signal when a man pleases God by pleasing his wife, we don’t recognize the “Hail to the V” inherent in this new chivalrous (and not Christian) doctrine.  The same goes for Wilson’s invention of the wife as house despot.  While the Bible tells wives to submit to their husbands and call them lord, chivalry inverts the pattern.

Poets adopted the terminology of feudalism, declaring themselves the vassal of the lady and addressing her as midons (my lord), a sort of code name so that the poet did not have to reveal the lady’s name, but which was flattering by addressing her as his lord.

Modern day chivalrists are unlikely to call their wife midons, and instead simply call her the boss.  But either way it is the chivalrous pattern that feels right to modern Christians, not the biblical pattern.  The image of a husband kneeling (genuflecting) before his wife fits the chivalrous model, and is pleasing to our sensibilities.  The image of a wife kneeling before her husband feels flat out wrong.

As I’ve covered before it isn’t merely Pastor Doug Wilson who has strikingly incorporated chivalry into his Christian theology.  When Pastor Dave Wilson teaches husbands in Family Life’s Art of Marriage program that God speaks to husbands through their wife’s (non) burning bush, this is the religion of chivalry, not Christianity:

Dave:  Yes. Here’s all you need to know about that night—the thing that changed our marriage is when Ann was sharing with me [that she wasn’t sexually attracted to me]—I had a pretty unique encounter with God. I sensed God was speaking to me, through Ann;

I could go on, including the explanation of why porn is immoral* by Dr. R. Albert Mohler Jr. (President of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary), Pastor Tim Bayly’s assertion that romantic love sanctifies married sex, and Stoeker and Arterburn teaching that a wife’s sexuality is her soul essence, which is her husband’s master.  But for today I will leave the list of examples of current day chivalrous vagina worship and take us back to the source of our modern day religion of love.

It all goes back to what we know as chivalry.  As C.S. Lewis explains in The Allegory of Love, the original proponents of this new religion claimed to be advancing Christianity while worshiping something other than Christ:

The submission which Lancelot shows in his actions is accompanied, on the subjective side, by a feeling that deliberately apes religious devotion. Although his love is by no means supersensual and is indeed carnally rewarded in this very poem, he is represented as treating Guinevere with saintly, if not divine, honours. When he comes before the bed where she lies he kneels and adores her: as Chrétien explicitly tells us, there is no corseynt in whom he has greater faith. When he leaves her chamber he makes a genuflexion as if he were before a shrine.54 The irreligion of the religion of love could hardly go further. Yet Chrétien—whether he is completely unconscious of the paradox, or whether he wishes, clumsily enough, to make some amends for these revolting passages—represents his Lancelot as a pious man and goes out of his way to show him dismounting when he passes a church, and entering to make his prayer; by which, according to Chrétien, he proves both his courtesy and wisdom.55

*The problem is not Mohler’s conclusion that porn is immoral (it is), but his use of unchristian theology to arrive at this conclusion.

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43 Responses to Hail to the V.

  1. Ben Mavet Who says:

    I watched a two episodes of that series before my stomach gave out.

    How am I supposed to be for characters who behave in such a despicable fashion?

    Not to mention the vicious, warrior woman who is actually a twig of a teenage girl in the first or second episode. We see her totally believably taking down an armored warrior in the melee. I’m confident she did it through gurl powerrrrr!

    If I disliked myself more I would watch more episodes to learn how she continued to save the day for people who are older, wiser and stronger than her.

  2. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    No one may allow themselves to be worshiped as a god. Women sin if they accept any worship.

    In Acts 14:14-15 Paul is deeply upset when pagans mistakenly worship him.

    But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul found out about this, they tore their clothes and rushed into the crowd, shouting, “Men, why are you doing this? We too are only men, human like you….”

    And in Acts 12:22-23, Herod is punished for accepting worship.

    “And they began to shout, “This is the voice of a god, not a man!” Immediately, because Herod did not give glory to God, an angel of the Lord struck him down, and he was eaten by worms and died.”

    Even angels refuse worship. In Revelation 22:8-9:

    I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed me these things. But he said to me, “Do not do that I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets and of those who heed the words of this book. Worship God.”

    Angels refuse worship. Yet many modern women expect worship as their due. And manginas are eager to bend the knee.

  3. Frank K says:

    A great example of how pervasive V worship is in our culture is the custom of kneeling before a woman when asking her to marry you. This is so ingrained that failure to do so is considered an outrage.

  4. Frank K says:

    Even worse, women now expect a choreographed production, with friends and family present as her mangina bends his knee and begs for her hand. Forget about proposing at a quiet restaurant. She now wants you to propose in front of the Sleeping Beauty’s Castle in Disneyland as hundreds, if not thousands of people watch. Oh, and you’re supposed to pay for the tickets ($100 each) for all of her friends and family.

  5. Frank K says:

    I watched a two episodes of that series before my stomach gave out.

    I do not regret cutting the cord years ago. There is virtually nothing worth watching on TV. I’m amazed anyone is still watching.

  6. Anonymous Reader says:

    Perhaps next year the Times Square midnight countdown on network TV can be sponsored by Summer’s “Hail to the V” Eve. A logical extension of this year’s little debacle.

    A relation of mine was astounded when he found out that breasts are just specialized sweat glands. For years after than he would comment when some woman flashed boobs on a screen or in real life; “Sweat glands. They are just oversized sweat glands”. He could trigger some pretty funny responses with that in the last century, if he was still around now the reaction could be even better.

    On a previous thread a man pointed out that any woman who plays “Let’s You And Him Fight” is not worth fighting over. The trouble is, they are all girls at heard, and they all have that potential to start trouble for primitive reasons.

  7. Jean says:

    It’s appalling that the Lutheran “minister” lady would suggest that the idea of purity comes from church doctrine and can be revoked or changed with the times. It’s not like it’s actually from the Bible or anything, false teacher person.

    And as a Christian woman who tries to practice the Biblical headship model, it’s always made me uncomfortable or actually repulsed when men have been too groveling or obsequious. It’s not manly, and I don’t want the “power” to make someone compromise his dignity in an attempt to please me. I’ve noticed that women who do enjoy this sort of thing are not people I could have as friends.

  8. Jake says:

    I need to cut the cord. Everything is so current year and woke it just drives me away. That or just plain bad. Flashbacks are bad, yet every series these days does the tell two timelines at once which is like a big long flash back. Or slice of history of main character of that episode. That or having conversations with dead people. Like some kind of narrative device flavor of the month.

  9. Opus says:

    So that explains why I have not had any work from a Knights Templar for a while. The Templars may be gone but their artifacts live on specifically Temple Church; I link a video and the video does not do justice to how stunning and light and airy it is. They filmed part of The Da Vinci Code inside and although you cannot see it in the clip it is situate right in the middle of legal London, that is to say where two of the legal Inns are, namely Middle Temple and Inner Temple (Grays and Lincoln – not named after your President – are further north). Being Inner I regard anyone from Middle (never mind Gray’s and Lincoln) as a lower form of Pond Life.

  10. Heidi says:

    @Opus: I think your fictional fellow Inner Templar, Dr. Thorndyke, shares your appreciation of old churches, though not perhaps your scorn of the other Inns.

  11. Cane Caldo says:

    Modern day chivalrists are unlikely to call their wife midons, and instead simply call her the boss.

    Hahaha!

  12. Sorcerygod at sorsgod.wordpress.com says:

    A chick’s private parts are worshipped by some weakling males, despite what they outflow every month, despite yeasty vapors and occasional moist appearances, because little boys are conditioned by their MOTHERS not to be disgusted by these parts and their realities. It is a battle of SOCIAL CONDITIONING versus BIOLOGICAL REPUGNANCE, with conditioning, as it so often does, winning.

    When a woman on the rag can convince a man to “get with her” in any way (most men shudder at that thought) she wins through a mental Billboard Program, which is flashing a message of submission to her control. Control is so often what sex is about.

    Rape however isn’t about control — but when women bring social conditioning into the picture, THEN control raises its ugly crocodilian head.

  13. Brian says:

    I found the red pill about a year before I got married. And I am eternally grateful that God opened my eyes before I got married! Dalrock was the first place I was referred to by a friend. Before I asked my girl to marry me at 31, and her at 19yo, I felt awkward thinking about how to ask when imagining bending my knee to do it. Instead, I brought her to a temple near my home built mostly by real men over a hundred years earlier. I wanted the temple setting to help represent religion as our central focus in our marriage. I lead her to a bench on the east side of the temple, wrapped my arm around her and asked her to be “my girl” and proceeded to immediately put a ring on her finger. (I Already knew without a doubt she’d say yes) She is a rare find nowadays; young, beautiful, religious and had never been kissed when I found her.

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  15. feeriker says:

    Angels refuse worship. Yet many modern women expect worship as their due.

    That so many women demand this tells us a lot about their belief in the One True God. Or rather, their lack thereof.

  16. Sharkly says:

    I’ve recently been calling the local churchian’s, “Cunt worshippers”. They don’t like the term. I believe that is because of the negative connotation of the word “Cunt”, which they don’t like to have used for their deity. Anyhow, one relative of mine objected, so I sent him an e-mail explaining why I absolutely consider him a crazy cunt worshipper, and gave proof he is ashamed of parts of the Bible. I have received no reply.

    He tried to shame me for my language after I forwarded him an e-mail I sent his ex-pastor calling him an “emasculated cunt worshipping coward”. I don’t think he expected me to double down, and tell him he was one also, explaining in great detail exactly why the wording was precisely what I meant.
    The head elder there told me over the phone, “you’re not going to browbeat me into telling your wife to submit”, and “I’ll have to look into the scripture about this”.
    What an eternal shame, that I should even have to browbeat the head elder to preach Biblical submission to my frivorcing wife, who is behaving entirely selfishly and unhinged. And what a shame the Biblically illiterate fool has to dust off his Bible because he wants to try to find an excuse to oppose me and my desire to have the church ask my wife to submit to me in accordance with God’s published words.

    I begged them in the name of Jesus Christ, to tell my wife to submit and drop her frivolous divorce, and the God damnable cowards put their cunt worship above God. And refused to serve me, and the kingdom of God, by preaching God’s word.

    FWIW these cunt worshippers take exemplar instructions to the first church leaders, to be the servant of all, and instead they refuse to serve, but turn God’s word on its head by taking scriptures that apply to them, and try to foist them on husbands instead,(“servant leadership”) to steal their headship in their own homes, while blaming them for everything as if they still had their headship.

    1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
    Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

    Church “leaders” are not given headship over Christ’s bride, the way a husband is given headship over his own wife.

    Mark 10:43 But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister: 44 And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all.

    Yet these charlatans refuse to serve me and my children, not lifting a finger to confront a clearly rebellious woman, and instead are willful home wreckers, encouraging her rebellion by their abject cowardice. While I have no position in the church, but would gladly speak God’s truth on their behalf if I was asked. I would do for them, what they refuse to do unto others.

    I believe Jesus Christ, whom I worship, will raise me up after I die.
    Perhaps Juicy Cunts, whom they worship, will raise them up also, But I doubt it!

    Churchian trinity: Goddess the Mother, Juicy Cunts, and the Holy Queef.

  17. earl says:

    Angels refuse worship. Yet many modern women expect worship as their due.

    Angels saw what happened when other angels thought they were God and there was no turning back from that. Why we haven’t got the message yet continues to baffle me.

    However I will present a challenge to fellow men here…start worshiping Christ. Submit to Him. Don’t let some worldly ethos tell you otherwise….then see what happens when woman worship comes to the forefront (I think many here get it…but what happens when you aren’t calmly reading Dalrock’s blog but instead have to convince others).

  18. rugby11 says:

    Tune in

  19. In fairness, I seem to recall this being portrayed as a very bad thing in Knightfall, kind of like Tristan and Isolde. It portrays it but seems to land on the side of it all being a disastrously bad idea. It is telling that the grand master seems to feel a helluva lot more guilty about the whole situation than the queen.

    To the defense of Knightfall, it’s gratifying because the Templars seem like sincere Christians, the Pope isn’t the standard “corrupt fool” fiction deems a medieval pope must be, and Christianity in general is treated as a true thing. Plus how many plot lines with Manichaens do you see these days?

  20. feeriker says:

    Sharkly says:
    January 7, 2019 at 2:46 pm

    The most painful part of this experience is seeing just how far gone the church on earth is, the knowledge that there are almost NO genuine, Bible-believing Christ followers who put their trust in the Lord and His word over their fear of man and love of this world. The sense of loneliness and abandonment one feels over this, the sense of hopelessness that it can induce, is overwhelming if one doesn’t double down on prayer and literally dedicate oneself to putting ALL trust in HIM.

    Take heart. If you can be sure of nothing else, it is that He has your back in this case. I really, REALLY shudder to think of the fate that awaits those churchian frauds enabling your wife on the day that Jesus returns. The purging of this rotten body is going to be epic in its ugliness.

  21. You can already tell that 2019 is going to be a very interesting year:

  22. Paul says:

    @Sharkly

    Sorry to hear about your situation; unfortunately it reinforces my own experiences with church leadership versus women.

    Rest assured God will raise everyone from the dead:

    Rev 20
    And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.

  23. OKRickety says:

    Paul said: “Sorry to hear about your situation; unfortunately it reinforces my own experiences with church leadership versus women.”

    And mine, and probably most of the readers, too. If not, it likely will soon.

  24. Hose_B says:

    @paul
    @Sharkly

    Sorry to hear about your situation; unfortunately it reinforces my own experiences with church leadership versus women.

    Your story could be mine. For years I asked the church for help, intervention, etc in my marriage. The line of “I won’t tell your wife to submit” was thrown at me even though I hadn’t asked that of then. Accusations of me were rampant. But no help in making anything better. She served them, so they protected what she wanted. It’s sad.
    They also promote the program “art of marriage” They defensed it fiercely even when I asked why 1 Corinthians 7 wasn’t even mentioned… No answer, just defend the program and shame me for speaking out. I “just didn’t understand”
    “Art of marriage” is poison as are most “church’s” and “pastors”

  25. American says:

    “Angels refuse worship. Yet many modern women expect worship as their due.”

    ^ The godly ones anyways. The fallen wicked angels (e.g. demons) cast from heaven accept human worship and ingrated themselves into the deity worship pagans historically engaged in.

  26. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Women who’ve never had kids are the focus of a new documentary, No Kidding.

    Not Kidding Trailer from Bettina Hanna on Vimeo.

    The women in the above trailer tout the awesomeness of remaining childless.

  27. JRob says:

    Soon enough we’ll not be able to type “worship” without a woke modifier of some sort on either end of the word. Hate speech detection/removal on social media. I believe you brought this up before, RPL:

    https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=11703

  28. Sharkly says:

    feeriker, Paul, OKRickety, Hose_B,

    I’m glad I’m not the only one who sees what a mess the church has become. So few people seem to see it. I likely would be oblivious also if my marriage hadn’t been so completely awful, and I hadn’t spent 16 years trying to get help from the church, only to be shamed, insulted, and had them “plow with my heifer” against me.

    The line of “I won’t tell your wife to submit” was thrown at me …
    Well as a Christian brother, don’t let me be like those douche bags. If somebody wants me to explain to their wife that the Bible commands them to submit to their own husband in everything, I will make every effort to do for you, what I wanted my wife’s new church to do for me.

  29. Jean says:

    @RPL So now I guess they’re trying to norm being childfree (at least for actual biological women). The women in that clip seemed innocuous enough, with understandable reasons they do not have children.

    Long story, but I have had the misfortune to read the posts in several “childfree” forums, and most posters there are rabid in their hatred of children and the women who bear them. They refer to children using vile words and gleefully post news articles about tragedies involving children. So I think the “childfree” agenda is not just to validate not choosing motherhood—it’s far more ungodly than that. But “choice” is the pretty face they want to put on it.

  30. Frank K says:

    But “choice” is the pretty face they want to put on it.

    Let us never forget that they call the institutionalized and state sanctioned murdering of the unborn “choice”.

  31. RichardP says:

    Sharkly – I cannot imagine the pain you and others in your situation must go through. I don’t wish to add to that. But you and others talk about Bible-believing behavior, and offer Paul’s admonition to “submit in all things” as something that should be believed.

    But let us stick with that Bible-believing thing for a minute. There are other things that the Bible says, that also should be believed, but do not get mentioned. Such as what Paul also says: To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife. To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has … (1 Corinthians 7:10-11)

    Paul says that everything between those bolded parts is God speaking. To be a true Bible-believer, you must accept that both “submit in all things” AND “but if she leaves” were spoken by God. God himself says that if she leaves, she must remained unmarried. And, if God knows everything, then he has to know the carnage that is left behind when the wife chooses to blow up the marriage. Yet, God says “if she leaves, she must remain unmarried”. But no words from God on what he thinks of the carnage that his words “but if she leave, she should … ” help create.

    How can a pastor, in good conciousness, tell your wife to submit to you and obey you completely when you tell her not to leave you when God himself accepts that she can choose that option so long as she stays unmarried?

    I’m dealing with you in good faith here, and expect that you will carefully consider the conundrum that is created for pastors (and laymen) by these two scriptures, both from God, per Paul. Paul says that God himself said “but if she leave, she should …”. That same God who, per Paul, said “she should submit in all things”. There is a contradiction there that must be dealt with. And focusing only on the “submit in all things” part of it and ignoring that God also says “but if she leaves, she should …” is absolutely not dealing with it.

    The truth is, by his own words (according to Paul), God gives women permission to blow up their families – because, according to God’s own words (per Paul), God says basically, “it is OK if you leave, so long as you remain unmarried.” To me, that has always seemed a cruel approach to the pain caused by a wife leaving, but we have God in Isaiah saying that the pot has no right to ask the potter if he knows what he is doing. Elsewhere, God says that he does all that he pleases and that his will will stand. So this seems to be one of those things we have to deal with without knowing why. I think it is more fair to teach guys that this might happen, and that the church won’t intervene (because God doesn’t). At least they will then have a realistic idea of what to expect if/when it happens. As it is now, we teach them that the church is supposed to be on the side of the husband, and we end up with the shell-shocked Sharkleys and such. That rude awakening that Sharkley and others are going thru should be happening before marriage, not after. But no one is teaching the young men that God gives the wife a walk-away-free card, “so long as she … “.

  32. Opus says:

    @Heidi

    Thorndyke practiced from 5KBW (KIng’s Bench Walk). I was for a while at 9KBW. A certain German Reichs Chancellor for reasons unknown took a specific dislike to Inner and with precision bombing removed the ancient Hall, (made a terrible mess of the entire Temple area it has to be said) but leaving the ancient hall of Middle untouched. Wm Shakespeare and his merry band of Thespians performed Midsummer Night’s Dream in Middle Temple Hall so perhaps we may assume that Herr Hitler was a fan The Bard.

  33. feministhater says:

    How can a pastor, in good conciousness, tell your wife to submit to you and obey you completely when you tell her not to leave you when God himself accepts that she can choose that option so long as she stays unmarried?

    It is better not to marry, it’s a shit show. Thank you kindly for making this case so well, Richard Thank you! Please continue.

    The problem comes in the fact that she will divorce him and then use the state to rob him blind. If women wanted to merely leave, they could do so at anytime. There is nothing stopping them but for the fact they need to be taken care of.

    The choice should be simple. If she chooses to leave, she must leave and get nothing from the man, if she chooses to stay, she must submit in all things. Society needs to stop giving women entitlements that allow them to walk over men.

  34. JRob says:

    I fail to see how anyone can defend the status quo on this blog. Here’s an example of what the Christian man is up against. Note: I went through the same B.S. Sharkly, OKRickety, et al experience(d). Opposed by a jack booted church “leadership” who worship the V and rationalize her sinful behavior at every turn.

    From Greg Laurie’s sermon, “God’s Plan for the Family,” here you are:

    After reading Ephesians 6:4 he says

    This statement is assuming the father is there. It was unheard of in First Century culture for a father to abandon his reponsibilities and his home. Nowadays it seems to almost be the norm.

    He speaks of Toya Graham (sp?), the woman who grabbed her rioting son from the street. Laurie says,
    We expect mothers to do that. We expect moms to step up to the plate. We depend on moms to do that. My goodness if moms just took a day off collectively from the responsibilities it seems like our culture would collapse overnight. But our men are not stepping up to the plate like mothers usually do. There’s exceptions. There’s wayward moms that are horribly neglectful. But by and large women are there for their children, we expect them to be there, but men are missing in action.

    Laurie is an evangelical superstar. Thank goodness such pastors and our Gubm’t/Fambly courts are there for our children since we’re MIA. /s

  35. Paul says:

    @RichardP That same God who, per Paul, said “she should submit in all things”. There is a contradiction there that must be dealt with

    I shall spell it out for you: it is WRONG for her to leave, BUT *IF* she leaves, she should stay single (because NOT staying single almost destroys the possibility for reconciliation, plus it’s a safety valve for REALLY desperate situations, plus it prevents adultery in case of remarriage)

  36. Oscar says:

    @ RichardP

    How can a pastor, in good conciousness, tell your wife to submit to you and obey you completely when you tell her not to leave you when God himself accepts that she can choose that option so long as she stays unmarried?

    Because Jesus (i.e., God Himself) also said…

    Matthew 19:6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”

    7 They said to Him, “Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?”

    8 He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for [b]sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”

    In other words, the only legitimate reason to leave ones spouse is sexual immorality (porneia). So, unless she has evidence that Sharkly engaged in porneia, she doesn’t have the right to leave.

    I think it is more fair to teach guys that this might happen, and that the church won’t intervene (because God doesn’t).

    Except that He does. Jesus (i.e., God himself) also said…

    Matthew 18:15 “Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ 17 And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.

    18 “Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

    A rebellious wife sins against God, but she also sins against her husband. The Church is supposed to support the member who’s sinned against, and rebuke the member who’s sinning, up to, and including, excommunicating the unrepentant sinner.

  37. Sharkly says:

    RichardP
    I totally disagree with your reading comprehension of the scripture you presented. But if others believe like you that explains where they went wrong and why they are so emasculated and conflicted that they can no longer ask a woman to get back to keeping her marriage vow. So it was helpful and informative that you shared the miscomprehension.

    There is a contradiction there that must be dealt with.
    I’ve never taken hermeneutics, but I’m pretty sure that, on day one, they explain that there are no real contradictions, and if you find one, you’re reading it wrong. I’m pretty sure your above interpretation would get you flunked out of a well grounded hermeneutics class.

    I was always taught that a period indicated the end of a sentence, and that a sentence was a complete thought. “A wife must not separate from her husband.” is a complete thought. It is wrong for a wife to leave her husband against his will, Period! End of sentence. Almighty God has spoken! She was to have submitted to him in all things, as unto the Lord, the Bible says elsewhere. And just like how God says not to steal, and then tells how a person is to repay if they have stolen in the past, God is in no wise giving anybody permission to steal. The woman who has sinfully absconded, is being cautioned not to add divorce or adultery to her ever worsening list of sins. You really have to want to give women a pussy-pass to misunderstand, “A wife must not separate from her husband.” as making God’s prohibition of separation, and submission commanded in many other places, all null, and void, and having been erroneously written in the first place.

    Matthew 19:6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.”

    Jesus, God in flesh, the man who’s word I am depending on to keep me from eternal damnation, said no cunt worshipping pastor should participate or consent in their separation! It is the work of God that joined them together, it is not the prerogative of man to undo God’s work and not pay a price for it.

    Oh dear God! Why can the hirelings not even read two sentences without construing You as consenting to the unholy separation of what You have joined and sanctified together, as one, in holy matrimony, and the parties have consummated before You, in their very own flesh? Lord give me the patience to “school” these fools in righteousness! And give me the grace to do it better! I was not born with the patience to suffer fools with Your grace.

  38. JRob says:

    *Response from BillyS, I reposted here*

    JRob,

    Laurie grew up with a mom who was very irresponsible. You would think that would get him to realize women are not angels all the time. Unfortunately it is the Madonna/whore complex. All women are either, with most being the former. They hate men likely because they hate their own father.

    He has a huge hole in his vision, but he is a Boomer (born in mid 1950s I believe) so that can explain things as well.

  39. BillyS says:

    JRob,

    Laurie grew up with a mom who was very irresponsible. You would think that would get him to realize women are not angels all the time. Unfortunately it is the Madonna/whore complex. All women are either, with most being the former. They hate men likely because they hate their own father.

    He has a huge hole in his vision, but he is a Boomer (born in mid 1950s I believe) so that can explain things as well.

    (I think I originally put this in the wrong thread.)

  40. ray says:

    greenmantlehoyos — “To the defense of Knightfall, it’s gratifying because the Templars seem like sincere Christians”

    LOL

  41. evilwhitemalempire says:

    “The problem is not Mohler’s conclusion that porn is immoral (it is), but his use of unchristian theology to arrive at this conclusion.”
    ——————-
    If porn is immoral it is because it undermines fertility and population NOT because it’s disruptive to female control over men.

  42. Warthog says:

    Have been thinking about Dalrock’s chivalry theory for a few weeks, and it finally dawned on me. The reason that chivalry defines romantic love as the holy thing that sanctifies sex, whether in marriage, fornication or adultery, is that this is the way that WOMEN THINK. Feelings are the touchstone of truth for them. Yet, their feelings are largely driven by ovaries and uterus, which in Greek is the “hystera”. IE – following feelings to find truth leads to hysteria.

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