Gamers vs THOTs.

A group of gamers has started tax trolling THOTs, and as you might imagine the whole thing is hilarious.

Not quite as funny, but still worth noting is Megan Fox’s moral analysis:

As a mother of daughters, this campaign strikes me as morally good. If this can dissuade young girls from using their genitals to make money off men who are betraying their wives, I’m all for it. Girls also need to learn that they are worth more than their boobs and using them to make money is a last resort born out of desperation, not a life goal, but if they do use their bodies to make a living, they must also pay taxes on that income.

H/T Oscar and Larry Kummer.

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69 Responses to Gamers vs THOTs.

  1. RandyB says:

    “…men who are betraying their wives” as if those are the only consumers of the THOTs “product”. She *had* to throw that in there.

  2. Otto Lamp says:

    The THOTs in this case, are spamming a service trying to sell their services. It’s no different than people who spam comment sections (“I make $200 a day online…”) or who send you junk email.

  3. Corinth Arkadin says:

    Repoasted at Le Chateau…

  4. TMAC says:

    And it looks like the IRS will pay you (the informant) 30% of what they collect from them once it’s been reported, investigated, and collected.

    How beautiful is that.

  5. thedeti says:

    Dalrock, please delete that post at 5:06.

    [D: Done.]

    The point stands, though, that women have been using their bodies to make money since time immemorial. Actresses do this all the time, clothed or not. Women have also spent their lives using their bodies to secure men to provide for them. Those women are called “wives”.

  6. Dalrock, not sure if you saw this article today from Time:
    http://time.com/5434949/divorce-rate-children-marriage-benefits/

    Unbelievable really. Author seems to have successfully deduced that declining divorce rate is link to marriage rate, and that increased rate of co-habitations has some very negative knock-on effects.

    But the last paragraph, hooo boy. Marriage is apparently the ideal, but yet also simultaneouslyalso an institution of oppression and inequality and exclusion? SJW claptrap.

    “So yes, the people who are getting married are increasingly staying married. But that group is an ever-smaller and more privileged group of individuals. Marriage is becoming one of the many institutions from which the poor, less-educated and disadvantaged are excluded. And this isn’t just sad because more than half of those who have never married would like to be. It’s sad because it compounds the difficulties of those who already face considerable challenges. Marriage, or the long-term committed relationship between two people that it’s meant to support, is both subject to and contributing to inequality. In its current form, it’s making the climb out of poverty just that much steeper. Which is not romantic at all.”

  7. thedeti says:

    Thanks, Dalrock.

  8. Dalrock says:

    Good find constrainedlocus. I hadn’t seen it.

  9. toocrazy2yoo says:

    At the other end of the scale is THIS little lady:
    http://thesmokinggun.com/documents/drunk/florida-woman-arrested-again-184906

  10. earl says:

    I think it is deemed certainly much more licit if a woman uses her body to attract a husband rather than using it to parade in front of hundreds of thirsty men on the internet in order that they give her money.

  11. Asaph says:

    Some of those eTHOTs receives 100s of thousands of dollars per year, for something that can be categorized as soft porn.

  12. Otto Lamp says:

    Sexualizing a something invariably destroys it.

    Back when I played drums, I had one ironclad rule: never play in a band with a woman, because the band invariably becomes about the woman, and everyone else becomes her backup band.

    I occasionally watch anime, but detest “fan service”, because the sexualizing of the female characters is usually so heavy handed it screws up the rest of the anime.

    Twitch thots are clogging up the platform. And, I’m sure guys don’t want to hear “oh yea, I know the real reason you are on Twitch–to watch girls”.

  13. Otto Lamp says:

    “Some of those eTHOTs receives 100s of thousands of dollars per year, for something that can be categorized as soft porn.”

    Saw a YouTube with a financial analysis of one eThot’s Patreon. 700 supporters. Support fees run from $5 a month to $100 (plus a $1000 special package).

    That’s $42k to $840k per year. He estimated her average donation was $30 a month, which works to $252k per year.

  14. ChristianCool says:

    @ constrainedlocus

    Only the foolish, the extremely religious, the mentally insane, the extremely gullible worker-Gammas, the female gold-diggers, and the feminists want to get married in this country today. This is 2018, the info is out there for all to see. Marriage is THE worst deal for a man in America today. I would get better returns financially investing with Bernie Madeoff or Enron.

    I just posted about this very issue of the Matriarchy in America today under the ” Weak men really *are* screwing feminism up” thread, about how there are very few ways we could further Matriarch-inize the United States further. Women literally have all the legal, financial, and educational benefits and they hold all the cards in marriage and child custody.

    For the rest of American men, marriage is a financial suicide mission and guaranteed police-enforced slavery for decades. It is Picket’s Charge except you are running uphill with an iron ball chained to your feet and without a gun while a red and white Target t-shirt on.

    Don’t men understand that Family Court was created and designed to enslave, punish, and steal from men? 🙄 You cannot win at that game. The onyl way to win at the marriage game is not to play it.

  15. ChristianCool says:

    America is an over-sexualized culture from top to bottom. 10 years ago, I would look at America as a “puritan place” compared to Brazil, where it is all truly sexualized. Now, the Brazilians get shocked at OUR culture, I kid you not.

    Fanservice was fun for me when I was 14 and desperate. Today, the women are putting out so fast, I feel disgusted by it sometimes. You know the old rule “if she is so fast to jump in bed with you, she has been so fast jumping in bed with hundreds of different guys”.

    I was opposed to legalization of prostitution all my life, being a Christian. And that is saying a lot, since I am 1/2 Dutch and have been to Amsterdam and all. I know what legal prostitution looks like.

    I am saying decriminalize it and do not allow Amsterdam-style brothels, that is disgusting and appalling IMHO. De-criminalize prostitution for adults over 18 so it happens behind the scenes for people who need hookers and that will reduce the pressure on the dating market and reset a lot of the male-female power imbalances due to male sexual thirst.

    Christians will not engage in prostitution and most men like myself can get it free from our loose broads, so it is irrelevant for 95%+ of men. We Christians already lost the culture war on gay marriage, abortion, legalization of marijuana, pornography, strip clubs, porn channels on TV, profanity in media, and more. Prostitution is not that far off. Let’s go for that and stop opposing the one thing that can actually HELP fix the mess we have today. .

    Once prostitution is legal, we can re-balance the value of sex, women, and marriage and fix this mess we have today.

    Think about this, fellow Christians. I know I did.

  16. Gunner Q says:

    Otto Lamp @ 6:22 pm:
    “Saw a YouTube with a financial analysis of one eThot’s Patreon. …He estimated her average donation was $30 a month, which works to $252k per year.”

    I wonder at how younger people than me can afford Bay Area housing rents. They would have to make three times what I do to afford that house… enough income to be punished by the Tax Board.

    This goes a long way towards explaining that. $4k per month rent is nothing when you’re paid $1k a time to drop the soap on TV. Under the table, as it were.

  17. Anonymous Reader says:

    Those poor camgirls are too dumb to realize that they started it. By pushing their adverts onto gaming sites, they dug into the anthill and kicked the hornet nest. Shia LeBouef could have warned them; “He Will Not Divide Us” was comedy gold from start to Finnish.

    RandyB
    “…men who are betraying their wives” as if those are the only consumers of the THOTs “product”. She *had* to throw that in there.

    Yes, she had to, because she’s a woman and her in-group is being criticized. Plus she’s a conservative feminist (yeah, “libertarian”, yadda-yadda-yadda). So she has to find some way to throw some shade on men, because when a woman behaves badly, the nearest man must be responsible. It’s the Female Imperative at work.

    In reality, camgirls are living off of single Beta chumps. It’s the Sugar Baby girls who are raking in some dough from some husbands…

  18. purge187 says:

    To paraphrase a famous yellow bird: “I thot I taw a p*ssy tax!”

    I hope the skanks go broke.

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  20. Wood Chipper says:

    I’m torn. On one hand, I believe taxation is theft. On the other hand, I doubt that any one of these THOTs cares about my taxes. #ThatHoeOweTaxes

  21. Oscar says:

    @ earl

    I think it is deemed certainly much more licit if a woman uses her body to attract a husband rather than using it to parade in front of hundreds of thirsty men on the internet in order that they give her money.

    That’s because what they’re doing fits the definition of abuse.

    To abuse something is to use it in a way that is contrary to its purpose. The intended (by God) purpose of a woman’s youth and beauty is to secure commitment from the best man she possibly can. Renting out her youth and beauty to hundreds, or even thousands, of men is an abuse of her youth and beauty.

    But, in order to understand that, one first has to believe in a creator, because only a person can imbue anything with purpose.

  22. Dan says:

    Irony…..a concept totally beyond the ability of the typical leftist….and Hollyweed celeb….to grasp.
    Megan Fox saying that girls should know they are worth more than their boobs is the epitome of irony……considering her looks are the ONLY reason she is ‘rich and famous’.

  23. Spike says:

    Hey Megan Fox, will you allow your daughters to slut it up during their party years, but later ”settle down” with a good (boring, reliable) man? And if ”the relationship” / ”the marriage” (that thing that exists apart from the two people in it) doesn’t work, well, she can divorce him?

    -Then your daughters will be betraying their husbands. Pure and simple.

  24. Luke says:

    My favorite quote from the linked article:

    “Divorce among college-educated couples who married before they had children is at levels as low as in the 1970s, before the wide adoption of the no-fault statutes made divorce much less of a legal nightmare.

    WTF? My first thought was that she was ignorant of how divorce has changed for men in the U.S. After all, previously, a man at least had a chance, if his wife was both careless and utterly immoral, of coming out reasonably well. Now, of course, she could walk into court with a lit crack pipe, watch the court be shown her in amateur bukkake porn, and STILL triumph with chilamony awards of 101% of his income (while he gets all the debt), total child custody, and a lifelong restraint order in effect for the ex-husband vs. her and the children.

    The only conclusion, of course, is that she WANTED this change, and considers it a good thing. That of course requires she classify men as not even human beings. I return the favor, and hope she dies soon, painfully, gets scraped into an unmarked grave, and is only subsequently thought about by surviving relatives to be laughed at.

  25. Vortigern says:

    The “Megan Fox” who authored the article cited is not the well-known actress.

  26. feministhater says:

    I’m so glad there are gamer thots out there taking over the tax burden of MGTOW leaving the plantation. Thank you Thots! Your service to society will not be forgotten.

    Hey Thots! Guess what, get woke, go broke. You’re worth it!

  27. Hmm says:

    Angry betas becoming the THOT police. Whoda thunk?

  28. Otto Lamp says:

    “Angry betas becoming the THOT police.”

    Angry betas or angry spam victims?

    Does getting recorded sales calls on your cell phone make you angry? Does getting piles of spam in your inbox make you angry? Does wading through littered with “you can make money on…” spam make you angry?

    Is it surprising that members of a gaming site get angry when it starts to be spammed by thots looking to sell sexual services?

  29. Opus says:

    LOL

    Everybody has to pay taxes.

  30. PokeSalad says:

    I tried to use my body to earn a living years ago….didn’t turn out so well…. 😉

  31. PokeSalad says:

    You cannot win at that game. The onyl way to win at the marriage game is not to play it.

    Now, waitaminute, be careful…..Some newly-prominent poster among us will be along shortly to call you “weak.”

  32. Deansdale says:

    Who the what now??? Megan Fox became a decent human being while I wasn’t looking?

  33. Damn Crackers says:

    Do NOT fall for that “hooker with a heart of gold” sh*t! Most NT prohibitions against prostitutes were because they are filthy, polluted, non-believers. Like the women of Moab, they will cause you to stray from the true faith. Nevertheless as Jesus says, I’d trust them over many other types of women in our society (tax-collectors and prostitutes will see the Kingdom of God, etc.)

    @ChristianCool – I’m confused. You say Christians wouldn’t be seen with prostitutes, but they are ok with seducing loose women? In most medieval penitentials, banging a prostitute was a much less serious sin than seducing a virgin or otherwise honorable woman. But, I do agree with you that it makes no sense in our fallen world that prostitution is the worst of all sins. The only way it does is that it is the only sexual sin that benefits mostly men over women in the sexual market place.

  34. BillyS says:

    DC,

    Paying for sex is CC’s problem. He has no trouble being sexually loose himself. He has many justifications for it in fact!

  35. NCMike says:

    I heard about these thots several months ago. At the time I had wondered about the tax implications, but if these are all ‘donations’ would that fall under the gift tax? If a guy gave $30 a month (example above) that’s $360 a year which is far below the $15,000 allowance. As I understand it the $15,000 limit applies to one source, not multiple sources. Would these gals even owe any taxes?

  36. @NCMike,

    Nope.
    You need to document your income. Even freelance contractors learn this lesson the hard way.
    Also, these gals are selling subscriptions to service. Subscribe and pay a monthly fee – $10 to $40 per month.
    Your dumbest auditor will discover in 30 seconds she is not running a charity, but rather a subscription model service business. Her service? Shoving dildos into her orifices, performing oral sex on her f-buddy or boyfriend, farting through her panties, experimenting with candies and fruits – and film it all and sending clips and snapshots to you, her subscriber.

    It takes a special level of solipsism combined with industrial grade idiocy and inteptitude to believe you can run an online subscription service business, meticulously place advertisements for such services, readily accept paymentsfor such monthly services via Paypal, credit card or Patreon, view and treat them as not revenue income, and therefore exempt of any income taxes.

    I would just like to add that getting audited by the IRS is at all a fun experience. And the guys who are reporting these “THOTs” will have to submit their own social security numbers to receive any proceeds/rewards, which are also fully taxable. You are also opening yourself up to being potentially audited, just so you know. The IRS knows well enough that these snitchers are also often shitting where they are eating.

  37. OKRickety says:

    Damn Crackers,

    BillyS said: “Paying for sex is CC’s problem. He has no trouble being sexually loose himself. He has many justifications for it in fact!”

    ChristianCool said: “Today, the women are putting out so fast, I feel disgusted by it sometimes.”

    And the rest of the time, CC takes advantage of these women’s sinful behavior to satisfy his own sinful desires. While I find some of CC’s comments of interest and often true, I find his personal behavior to be the epitome of “Christian”  hypocrisy and cringe when he writes “fellow Christians”, etc.

  38. Bart says:

    I also assumed that the writer Megan Fox was the well known actress, and laughed at the thought of the hottie from the Transformers movies writing an article like that.

    Different Megan Fox😄

  39. Gunner Q says:

    NCMike @ 11:25 am:
    “I heard about these thots several months ago. At the time I had wondered about the tax implications, but if these are all ‘donations’ would that fall under the gift tax?”

    Most donations are not considered gifts. Certainly not when associated with services rendered such as entertainment.

    If Camgirl does successfully categorize her income as gifts then it’s the donor who pays the tax on a gift, not the recipient. She would survive the audit by pointing the IRS hounds at her customers. “Honey, why is our family trust a cross defendant in the Federal case “Internal Revenue vs Bunghole Brittany”?” In other news, the Trump Administration has suddenly announced that it will pay off the entire national debt by 2020.

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  41. Cloudbuster says:

    I wasn’t familiar with the whole Twitch Thot phenomenon and I looked up a couple YouTube videos to, um, “educate” myself.

    I can see how once upon a time, in my younger days, I would have been all about pretty young girls in skimpy clothes looking for attention on the internet. But now, older, with both adult and teen daughters myself, and a care for the fate of our civilization, I just find it heartbreaking. I find myself thinking, “Please, dear, just put some clothes on and go to church.”

  42. thedeti says:

    OKR

    Yeah, Christian Cool is sinning. Notice how most all of churchianity would call him out on that. Notice how commenters on this blog call him out. Notice how little he cares.

    He’s doing the exact same thing that 95%+ of Christian women do. Notice how no one, churched or not, Christian or not, calls then out on it. Notice how the only people who do call them out on it are people in an obscure corner of the internet. Notice how little they care – they don’t even know that anyone calls them out or knows they’re doing it. How can sinning Christian women care about being called out on it when they don’t even know anyone’s calling them out?

  43. Kevin says:

    A cuckservative, a gamer and a THOT walk into a bar…..

    Of this group I hope the gamers win. At least the THOTs are honest about what they are selling, while conservatives lied to me and said they wanted to repeal some healthcare law.

  44. ChristianCool says:

    This article on Time (http://time.com/5434949/divorce-rate-children-marriage-benefits/) that @ConstrainedLocus brought up states that:

    “Young couples are delaying marriage not because they’re waiting to find The One, but so that they can feel financially secure.”

    To anyone who reads Dalrock or knows anything about the ManosPhere or Feminism knows that is not the case. The real reason is because women want to ride the Cock Carrousel and bang as many dudes as they fancy before they panich after ~ age 28 and look for a Beta to marry and fund their lifestyles, until they get tired of him and divorce for every cent he has ever had and will earn in the future.

    Then Time states that:

    “So people are living together and if it doesn’t work out, they’re splitting — what’s not to like, right? No alimony. No attorneys. Isn’t that why they are living together in the first place? Not exactly.”

    Is this a joke?!?! 🙄 That IS EXACTLY WHY they co-habitate instead of marrying, you numbskull! 🙄 Men do not want to get married (and pay for an expensive wedding), then get divorce raped to death by a legal system ran by partisans with the same Democrat, feminist mindset as the elites who write for leftwing publication like Time Magazine!

    The lack of awareness is staggering. 🙄

    To top it all off, Time states that: “Marriage, or the long-term committed relationship between two people that it’s meant to support, is both subject to and contributing to inequality. In its current form, it’s making the climb out of poverty just that much steeper. Which is not romantic at all.”

    Again, lack of even a basic understanding in what happens when marriages end. But they are right to say “they get poorer”. THE MAN get much poorer and is in and out of jail if he loses his job, thanks to our Soviet-style Kolkhoz-like quota system of child support and alimony for women. Women, on the other hand, get much better off in divorce. The woman makes out like a bandit, whether or not she has brought in any assets to the marriage or even contributed in any way, financially or not. If she sits at home all day and never cooks, never cleans, no kids, and does not have a paying job, she still gets at least 50%, if not more. 100% of “primary residence” if she accuses the man falsely of a crime of sexual violence or physical abuse (DV).

    Romantic?? What is “romantic” is for a heterosexual man to have to meet his “soul mate” in JAIL because feminist leftists like Obama ruin a nation’s economy and millions lose their jobs and some ivory-tower dwelling judge sends the man to “Debtor’s jail” for being unemployed and unable to pay child support. Do you have how many ex-husbands/dads I have worked with over the years that have been arrested LACK OF ABILITY to pay a month or two of child support (often arrested when ex-wife/baby mamma’s) sets-up a trap by having him pick up kids at her home and has cops on stand-by down the street)? Any idea what men go through mentally and physically during a divorce? I call these guys “wounded animals begging to be shot dead”.

    The Left never ceases to amaze me. 😮 They never fail to amaze with a total lack of basic understands and fairness of life!

  45. ChristianCool says:

    @Kevin

    If you are calling globocuck Sen. John S. McCain, THE only reason Obummercare was not repealed a “conservative” (since he was the deciding “no” vote in Senate) I do not know what to tell you, friend. *shrug*

    Actually, I CAN help you. 🙂 I have a bridge and some amazing swampland that needs a new owner. Wanna buy? 😀

    Ps. The GOP lost the House in 2018 because they 100 RINOs allowed another globocuck, Paul Ryan, to block the Conservatives from enacting MAGA agenda they were elected to follow.

    Above…. Paul Ryan’s official portrait! lol

  46. ChristianCool says:

    @Gunner Q

    For starters, you can give gifts valued up to the annual gift tax exclusion amount each year without ever touching the lifetime exemption (you get a new exemption every year on Jan 1). For 2017, the exclusion is $14,000 per recipient. In 2018, it increases to $15,000 per recipient. $15k worth of gifts in 2018 are 100% tax-free for recipient.

    CamGirl will never pay a dime unless she is rat-ed out by someone who hates her or her own bank or the content provider that pays her (i.e. camera website reports it to IRS as 1099-type income).

    Now, keep in mind during Obummer dictatorship, the IRS’ powers have been expanded tremendously. The IRS bullied eBay into “cooperating” with the IRS and reporting sellers that sell more then $500 each calendar year, for instance. The IRS did the same with PayPal, eBay’s fav payment processor and they agreed to pass on info to our overlords at the IRS. This is how the police State and surveillance State grows without any new authorizing legislation from Congress. They use “administrative agency powers” (i.e. Regulations)… Or via activist Leftist judges in courts (you heard the term “Obama judge”, yes there is such a thing).

    Every time a leftist is in power and they have a friendly Congress, they greatly expand tax-collecting monitoring and powers for the IRS. That is because they must intimidate and bleed everyone dry to fund luxury “Detention” for illegal alien “kids” (more like 25 year olds), lazy 400lbs women you sere on electrical scoters at WalMart, and welfare for illegals, their future voters.

  47. OKRickety says:

    thedeti said: “Yeah, Christian Cool is sinning. […] Notice how little he cares.

    He’s doing the exact same thing that 95%+ of Christian women do. Notice how no one, churched or not, Christian or not, calls then out on it. […] How can sinning Christian women care about being called out on it when they don’t even know anyone’s calling them out?”

    If we don’t call him out when he callously admits to it, then it would be rather inconsistent to call women out for it. (Based on large studies and personal anecdote, I rather suspect that something like 95% of Christian men engage, possibly to a lesser degree, in the same behavior as Christian women.)

    Everyone sinning needs to be called out, but just how can this be accomplished? Practically, I think change can only occur if virgin Christian men refuse to marry non-virgin Christian women. Over time, this might influence the behavior of Christian women. If this reason is communicated well and often, it could even influence pastors to change their perspective.

  48. ChristianCool says:

    @Sharkly

    France is a failed state. If you have been there in the last 3 years, that is abundantly clear now. 15% Muslim population already, economy is in turmoil in a never-ending loop, crimeis through the roof, Muslims go into terrirostic killing rampages for hours and police cannot stop them. A 3rd world country in the middle of Western Europe. It is a matter of time until the French begin immigrating to Haiti, a much more developed country. 🙄

    So for the French to publish a “Feminist Bible” should be no surprise at all. Might as well and publish a Feminist Koran… oh wait, then the Muslims will burn down Paris again.

    Oh wait… Paris is already ablaze this week due to global warming “energy tax” push from King Louis the XI… I mean globocuck “President” Macron.

    Just for fun, type “Paris riots” in a DuckDuckGo.com search. It will have literally millions of articles about Paris being burned down during riots, but for every single year in the news. The city is a garbage heap where rioting seems to be their national sport.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=mb3rNkkCAJY

    Right up the street from the fancy Champs-Elysse area. is that a 1st world country?!? 😮 Makes me think of how America would be like if Hillary had won in 2016.

  49. Dalrock says:

    @OKRickety

    If we don’t call him out when he callously admits to it, then it would be rather inconsistent to call women out for it. (Based on large studies and personal anecdote, I rather suspect that something like 95% of Christian men engage, possibly to a lesser degree, in the same behavior as Christian women.)

    I appreciate that you have been doing this. Thank you.

    In the case of ChristianCool it is worse than if a run of the mill pickup artist were bragging about such things, because in his moniker he claims to be Christian. I’m not sure if he is a troll or not, but I don’t see how he would do it differently if he were a troll.

    Christian Cool: I can’t make you change what you are doing, but I can stop you from bragging about it here. I’ll put you in moderation for a while. Assuming you don’t continue bragging about sexual sin your comments will still come through after a delay.

  50. ChristianCool says:

    @Dalrock

    I am not a PUA, nor a troll. I am honestly surprised that men who seek the Red Pill in your website are willing to become legally Indentured Servants (all but in name) to a system designed to enslave them, by marring as if the laws of this country do not apply to them! 😮

    To deny the legal reality of the laws and court system in this country regarding marriage and child support/custody is not going to make it go away. Blindly going into a marriage ignoring this very real legal reality is the definition of folly, as we see in Proverbs 15:21. Marrying someone and blindly ignoring the reality of the situation may bring a quick jolt of joy until reality sets in.

    Furthermore, Folly, in Proverbs 9:13 is described as a woman. “Folly is an unruly woman” is the exact quote. I seriously doubt that was an accidental choice.

    BTW, I just posted my last comment as you turned on Moderation on me (I saw it afterwards), so I will respect your website’s intent to promote Christian values and not discuss any “sexual matters”.

    But I also remain confused about the whole thing, since some still promote Christian Marriage when the legal system around them is Marriage 2.0.

    Believe me, this whole thing PAINS me greatly. Do you not think a Christian like myself does not feel frustration at the fact that unless we have drastic legal changes to the family court system, that I know I will never be able to marry in my own country (the USA)?

    I lived outside the USA from ages 10 to 16 because my father worked for consulates abroad. I cannot see myself having to leave the country and live abroad permanently or semi-permanently again just so I can get married and have kid(s) without the fear of being imprisoned so the wife can steal my child and house/wealth from me…. It is NOT fun living aboard, contrary to what you may hear in these “happier aboard” type forums.

    Honestly, there is little to “brag about” in terms of “sexual sin”. The legal reality of marriage/divorce/child matters is sad, really. But to ignore it and blindly go into Marriage 2.0 out of pure faith is suicide. Just ask any man is divorced/being divorced, they will tell you.

  51. OKRickety says:

    ChristianCool,

    “Blindly going into a marriage ignoring this very real legal reality is the definition of folly, as we see in Proverbs 15:21.
    […]

    “But I also remain confused about the whole thing, since some still promote Christian Marriage when the legal system around them is Marriage 2.0.
    […]
    “Believe me, this whole thing PAINS me greatly. Do you not think a Christian like myself does not feel frustration at the fact that unless we have drastic legal changes to the family court system, that I know I will never be able to marry in my own country (the USA)?”

    I very much agree that the institution of marriage today is generally a travesty, legally and otherwise, and not at all what God desires. But a significant portion of the fault for this situation is that few, both men and women, are willing to commit to the covenant of marriage as God designed it. As I see it, the bigger fault is not the easy availability of divorce, but the willingness of many to embrace that option for frivolous reasons.

    My biggest complaint about you is your seeming insistence that your sexual desires must be met. Not true! A close second are the logical fallacies you regularly provide. For example, “I will never be able to marry in my own country….”. (Note: If I were looking for a lawyer, you would not be considered.)

    Concluding, you do have the ability to marry here. That is, nothing in “Marriage 2.0” prevents you from having a Christian Marriage (be in the world but not of the world). That said, I acknowledge that finding a woman worth the risk is a daunting task. Since you have done so before, I highly recommend that you focus on finding another woman who is the equal of your past love. Based on your claims of your attractiveness to women, the biggest obstacle to finding her is your present unwillingness to consider that it is possible and to have the self-control to find her without falling prey to the temptation of sex.

  52. Dale U says:

    >A close second are the logical fallacies you regularly provide. For example, “I will never be able to marry in my own country….”.

    This is actually not an exaggeration or a fallacy. It is a fact, assuming you have the perspective of “a marriage is only that relationship that is, both operationally and legally, under the rules given in Scripture”. By that perspective, there is no marriage in all of North America. Ok, maybe there are some “First Nations” reserves, where the Native Indians have the ability to set their own laws, and have chosen to set those in accordance with the Bible. But for non-Native Canadian and American citizens, marriage is not legally possible. We can only choose to live as if we had Biblical laws, but the legal reality is different

  53. Gunner Q says:

    ChristianCool @ 3:21 pm:
    “Do you not think a Christian like myself does not feel frustration at the fact that unless we have drastic legal changes to the family court system, that I know I will never be able to marry in my own country (the USA)?”

    We’re all there at being frustrated. But accepting the devil’s sanctioned solutions is not permitted by God.

    He promised we would suffer.

  54. OKRickety says:

    Dale U,

    “This is actually not an exaggeration or a fallacy.”

    After I posted, I realized that the statement is incorrect. However, contrary to your assertion that it is a fact, I would contend that it is, in fact, quite the opposite, a lie.

    ‘It is a fact, assuming you have the perspective of “a marriage is only that relationship that is, both operationally and legally, under the rules given in Scripture”.’

    Your definition (“perspective”), while a true statement, is not the definition of a Biblical marriage.

    That said, I am fairly certain your biggest complaint is that a woman is able to get a divorce in the eyes of the state (and often the church) at the drop of a hat.

    What prevents a Christian man and woman from having a Biblical marriage today? Nothing! What does it take? Both of them willing to obey God’s commands for a husband to love his wife, and a wife to submit to her husband.

    Is that easy to do? No, and I don’t think it ever has been. However, as I have unfortunately experienced, it is quite easy for either spouse to decide they want out of the marriage. Consequently, if I were asked, I would rather strongly discourage any man from marrying today.

  55. BillyS says:

    OKR,

    I am still convinced that more women get out of marriages than men. Dalrock may have statistics and we know that more women file based on ones we have seen. Noting that either can get out easily is a bit distracting and leads to the current idea that men are the problem from what I have seen, when that is the opposite of reality.

    Some men do blow things up, but most of those had signs of doing that for a long time and tend to get shunned unless they repent. Women can switch on a dime and justify their rebellion far easier, along with church support in most cases.

  56. feeriker says:

    It is NOT fun living aboard, contrary to what you may hear in these “happier aboard” type forums.

    Depends on how adaptable you are, as well as what country you choose to live in. I’ve lived in over a half dozen countries on three continents over a 30-year period and found it to be an overall very positive experience, even living in the more unpleasant of them. I’m actually planning on moving permanently to my wife’s home country within the next five years and can honestly say that I won’t let the door of what were once the United States of America hit me in the ass on my way out.

    Again, YMMV. It all depends on your strengths and weaknesses.

  57. OKRickety says:

    BillyS,

    “I am still convinced that more women get out of marriages than men.
    […]
    “Some men do blow things up, but most of those had signs of doing that for a long time and tend to get shunned unless they repent. Women can switch on a dime and justify their rebellion far easier, along with church support in most cases.”

    Yes, more women blow up marriages than men. But even if women initiate 75% of divorces, that leaves about 200,000 divorces each year in the USA initiated by men. If we desire pastors and church leaders to listen to the truth, we need to know the truth and speak it. For example, claiming “women are always the problem” is likely to cause almost any pastor to consider you to be ignorant on the subject, and thus discount or completely deny the truth you do have.

    The old wives’ tale that men are the primary perpetrators of divorce still continues even though it has not been true for (the last 40?) years. It has then led to the belief in both the church and society that men are almost always the problem. On the one hand, for frivorcing their wives, and, on the other hand, for abusing, etc. their wives so grievously that they believe they have the right to divorce their husbands.

    Unfortunately, the church generally has accepted society’s perspective that men are almost always responsible for marriage problems and thus support the wife regardless of the facts. I know. It happened to me.

  58. earl says:

    To deny the legal reality of the laws and court system in this country regarding marriage and child support/custody is not going to make it go away.

    And to deny fornication with prostitutes is a sin which can send you to hell isn’t going to make fornication with prostitutes a sin anymore because the marriage laws have become unjust.

    However deti’s right…the way even Christian women fornicate or live immodestly without a care to God or man goes to show just how bad things are.

  59. Sharkly says:

    Unfortunately, the church generally has accepted society’s perspective that men are almost always responsible for marriage problems and thus support the wife regardless of the facts. I know. It happened to me.

    The wife is to submit in everything, as unto the Lord, even if the husband does not obey the word of God. Therefore almost all marriage fights, contention, and lack of unity, are caused by women sinning by not submitting themselves to God and their own husbands. It is that simple really. You can almost side with every man without knowing the facts and be right on 99.5% of the time. When was the last time some church lady had to disobey her husband because he asked her to help him rob a bank or hijack an airliner? No! They disobey because they’re spoiled, and they think they’re the most important one, when God made women to be their husband’s assistant, and they just refuse to deny themselves a life of self indulgence and take on the supporting role God gave them. divorcing women are pigs!

    For example, claiming “women are always the problem” is likely to cause almost any pastor to consider you to be ignorant on the subject, and thus discount or completely deny the truth you do have.
    Initially they will think that because of the Feminism that fills them. But you need to start off with the truth that women are just about always the problem, the foolish woman tears her own house apart. And then relentlessly break their idiocy down with God’s word, and other truth, exposing their cunt worship, and mocking their foolish beliefs. Even if they don’t fully convert, you’ve taken a stand for God and men in His image, and you’ve had way more influence than if you tried to arrive at some middle ground. Pastors need to know that there are men who believe God’s word as it is written, and those men think they’re foolish, and are not afraid to call out their foolishness if they don’t quit it. If your pastor is more afraid of upsetting the women in his church, you haven’t adequately brought to bear your influence on him for Christ’s sake. Jesus cleaned out the temple with a whip! He overturned their tables and forbid them to bring their merchandise back into the temple again. Don’t let your pastor take your passivity for granted. If the coward can fear women, he can certainly fear a man. If each church had a few men like that, they would have a huge impact on the churches and our culture.

  60. Darwinian Arminian says:

    @thedeti
    Notice how no one, churched or not, Christian or not, calls then out on it. Notice how the only people who do call them out on it are people in an obscure corner of the internet. Notice how little they care – they don’t even know that anyone calls them out or knows they’re doing it. How can sinning Christian women care about being called out on it when they don’t even know anyone’s calling them out?

    And his is why the #THOTaudit should not only be ramped up, but also brought to the attention of many leaders in the church, particularly some prominent megachurch pastors. Just imagine the look on the face of a modern preacher when he finds out about the latest public scandal that began when a few gamers started reporting online sex workers to the IRS for little more than shits and giggles. Do you think that he’ll be more likely to:

    A) Nod in agreement as he sees an example of a fool who receives a fool’s wages, even though the fool is a female?
    B) Rush to the pulpit with steam coming out of his ears to publicly denounce the unchivalrous louts who got in the way of poor, underprivileged women that were just trying to earn a living?

    My money’s on option B. I also think that’s a great thing, because if you want as many people as possible to realize how empty the church is of its original message, then seeing pastor call for more chivalry from the men so that the women can practice their sluttery just might do the trick.

    Most of us here readily acknowledge that today’s church bends over backwards to deny that women even sin while simultaneously dumping all responsibility for the world’s evils on the shoulders of the men. But most Christian men (not to mention those on the outside) still have trouble admitting that this is a reality. So if you want to convince more of them that the church has traded the worship of God for the worship of women then what could be a more compelling sign than watching the American pastorate call for the arrest and shaming of the guys who just stopped women from selling public sex to the biggest market the world has ever seen? I’ve heard more than a few pastors tell me that Jesus himself was called a friend of prostitutes.* But if they start moving on to telling the congregation that He also would have been in favor of making sure that the prostitutes were able to ply their trade in safety and for a reasonable profit as well, I somehow suspect that even a nonbeliever would take it as a sign that wherever God is, the modern church isn’t it.

    *And come to think of it, didn’t they also say that Jesus was a friend of . . . . tax collectors?

  61. Paul says:

    “What prevents a Christian man and woman from having a Biblical marriage today? Nothing! What does it take? Both of them willing to obey God’s commands for a husband to love his wife, and a wife to submit to her husband.”

    There are some subtle points here. First of all, in many countries you’re obligated to marry according to the rules of the state, and churches are forbidden to ‘marry’ people if they do not involve the state. Second, effectively the state is undermining your authority as husband (and in most cases churches are undermining it too).

    It takes a really committed women to NOT fall for the seduction of involving the state to enforce divorce laws and take his wealth and trample his heart.

    From experience I can tell that seduction is strong, even for a committed Christian wife. Feminism is so deeply ingrained in our culture, many Christians are not even aware it runs counter to God’s commands.

  62. Frank K says:

    First of all, in many countries you’re obligated to marry according to the rules of the state, and churches are forbidden to ‘marry’ people if they do not involve the state.

    In Mexico, by law, you must first be married by the state before having a church wedding.

  63. OKRickety says:

    Paul, Frank K,

    You both seem to be insisting that a marriage must involve the state. Try removing that presupposition and reconsider.

    I don’t believe that a Biblical marriage requires that one follow the rules of the state. Why should it? There might be some benefits (for example, lower taxes, or joint ownership of property or business) but is it worth playing by their rules rather than God’s rules?

    No doubt, there are countries who require the state to be involved before you can have a state-recognized wedding. I could be wrong but I have grave doubts that many countries would prevent a man and a woman from living together without a marriage recognized by the state. In other words, I consider that argument to be rather a red herring.

    Nor do I believe that a Biblical marriage requires a church wedding, a clergyman to perform a ceremony, a license from the state, or a marriage certificate. If you want to insist on such, then you will, of course, likely be constrained by the laws of the land. As so many have pointed out, there is little to be gained, and much to lose by having the state involved.

    If either party insists they must have a wedding that requires the state’s involvement, then I’d say it’s time to run for the hills.

  64. Novaseeker says:

    Keep in mind that there are still some states (list here:http://www.unmarried.org/common-law-marriage-fact-sheet/ ) that have common law marriage, so you may be ensnared even if you avoid a state and church wedding both, if you live in one of those states.

  65. anonymous_ng says:

    @Novaseeker, I live in one of those states, and what I find curious is how in the official state communications about common law marriage(web sites etc), they only talk up the advantage of being considered married even though you never got a marriage license. They don’t talk at all about the opposite case, of wanting to live together without being considered married.

  66. ChristianCool says:

    @Paul

    I had such a woman… 12 years. Never tried to pull the divorce card on me… If she tried, it would be all over and I would leave same day and she knew that, so she had respect for me and never pulled that type of crap. I do not accept threats like that.

    But I know many many many many Christian wives who have done it before and their husbands would complain to me about the threats. “Do (this) or I am gonna take the kids to my Mom’s and you won’t see them again” or “You did/did not do (that)?!? I want a divorce”. It was an on-going hostage situation. These guys were in hell. The guys ALWAYS buckled under. They fail the test. Women test you constantly, even my wife did it from time to time to see if I was still the man she married.

    Do you have any idea how rare my late was?? Extremely rare…. I was envied by friends and relatives for my wife all the time. You should see the shock when we would have long talks with these guys about getting their marriages stable again and try to re-establish male leadership. But most guys refuse to, they were afraid. Fear is the whole point of the State-legislated, police-enforced Marriage 2.0 system we have today. To make men afraid.

    Fear is the point… like MeToo or “Yes Means Yeas” laws. The point is to create a culture of fear in males.

    Please read: https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2017/01/13/submit-to-her-will-or-shell-use-the-family-courts-to-take-your-children-away/

    Women will use any and all weapons at their disposal to control and seek to overthrow a man’s God-given authority over them. Their lack of physical strength made them cunning and willing to manipulate and do “whatever it takes” to gain power and control.

    Freedom and Christianity do NOT go against each other!!!!!!!!!! Paul stated that “I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”-but not everything is constructive”. 1 Corinthians 10:23

    Freedom IS the cornerstone prize of Christianity in this life. Abusing our freedom is the problem.

    The problem is not freedom. The problem is that we have a legal system that has been created, designed, and re-engineered for the sole purpose of pushing a twisted idea of “social justice”, which simply means “oppressing men”, especially those of certain races and those who are Christian.

    Women simply use the tools they have been given to hurt men. Want a male co-worker fired? Accuse him of sexual harassment. Want your husband to leave the home? Call cops and say he hit you/molested a child, etc. Want free money from a man? Divorce him and get alimony. Want sole custody? Tell the judge he abuses the kids.

    Women simply use the grossly biased and unfair legal system as a cajole to hurt men and to even out scores. What do you think divorce court was re-imagined and re-tooled to do? #MeToo accusations? False criminal accusations to steal a men’s home? These are all designed over the last 100 years by the Progressive Left to imprison, impoverish, and destroy men.

    I think that many of guys have no idea how the legal system REALLY works. It is much worse then you all think.

  67. ChristianCool says:

    @OKRickety says: Yes, more women blow up marriages than men. But even if women initiate 75% of divorces, that leaves about 200,000 divorces each year in the USA initiated by men. If we desire pastors and church leaders to listen to the truth, we need to know the truth and speak it.

    It is worth TRYING, but it is almost pointless. The Pastors will say 75% of women initiate divorces BECAUSE MEN MAN failed/cheated/abused her, etc. BTW, the state is probably closer to 85%, actually…. Good luck talking to the women in the church, especially married women in the church… LOL….

    I have also seen over the years how the church deals with women who steal a man’s kids and take off and sue the man for everything he has got. The man is always at fault. The man gets ostracized from his own church. One guy who was about to get divorce-raped at my own church was banned from seeing the other married guys from church because their wives forbade these Betas, so they do not “associate with sinners”. 🙄 Fact, I was this one guy’s only “church friend” during and after his divorce, since my wife never cucked and ruled over me like that. In fact, she encouraged me to reach out, because she saw how unfair the whole thing was.

    In time, the guy said to me on day how all churches are hypocritical and all that. I countered that some should not taint the whole body of Christ, etc etc…. We have not chatted in a couple of years (he suddenly just vanished and stopped responding calls/texts) but I would be happily surprised if he got back in church again and did not lose his faith over the despicable treatment he received.

    Now that I am thinking about this, I am gonna look this guy up….

    Ps. Not to go all Star Wars on you all.,.. but Obi-Wan said “only a Sith deals only in absolutes”. Using words like “always” and “never” should be reserved for extremely limited special cases. Saying things like AWALT (All Women Are LIke That), for instance, is un-intelligent and lazy argument. Now ALL women like/dislike/behave exact the same way. It is mathematically impossible. “Most women” would be better….

  68. ChristianCool says:

    @ feeriker says:
    November 29, 2018 at 12:18 am

    Oh I am pretty adaptable, given I am CLEP-certified, and FLUENT in Portuguese, Spanish and very good in Italian. 6 long years living abroad with my parents, no family around. I left before turning 10 and we did not come back to the USA until a few days before my 16th birthday.

    I adapt extremely well. But trust me, no matter the country, you will ALWAYS be a foreigner. It is not like the USA that you can come here from some far away country, and become fluent in English, be patriotic, take the US Citizenship test, dress like the locals, accept our culture/customs and you are accepted as an American. You will always be a foreigner, no matter what.

    Try it. Go to Japan… as a white guy, you will always be a Gaijin (foreigner), even if you marry a woman there, dress only in kimonos/yukatas, and speak fluent Japanese.

    Go to Brazil, the left’s “goal of a melting pot”… I lived there 4 years, I was always a “gringo”, even though I sprayed tanned to look more than, dressed as locals did, and I am so fluent in that language with an accent so good, I am court-certified to Translate Portuguese. Still, I was always a “gringo” or “um estrangeiro”. You are never a “local”.

    What is your wife’s home country?

    Int PUA Kyle Trouble wrote extensively about this issue. I sympathize with Kylo because I had same experiences. After a while, you just wanna come back. I remember I did not leave the US mainland for 15 years straight. I could not take it anymore. I wanted to be here in America when I could drive at age 16, race cars, go places without being shot at, not have to bribe cops just to get through day-to-day life, etc.

    http://www.returnofkings.com/129169/when-the-little-inconveniences-of-living-abroad-begin-to-add-up

    There are so many “police blitz” to shake down citizens for money (rob them) and so many shootouts in the favelas you can tolerate before it gets old, man. You cannot find stuff you want in stores…. like good band-aids or decent face wash. or some food you liked back home. Or the low wages, you cannot drink the water (or get violently sick) or levels of political and govt intrusion and corruption that would make the Clintons blush.

    Back in the day, early to mid-1990s, America’s dating culture and marriage culture was better then most of the world. Our women were reasonably thin, feminine (at least in middle America), they took amazing care of themselves, we had actual “1950s dating”, marriages were formed normally.

    Nothing like today. Today is a feminist disaster. I noticed the changes began nationally around 2004 – 2006 period and has been a steady and rapid decline in our women since then. Tragically fast.

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