You’ll have to buy a few dinners on the road to finding your 53 year old dream girl.

As 53 year old never married Wendy Griffith explains in her book on how to find a husband, it is important for women to only date men who are willing to buy them dinner and desert.

God wants you to know that you are worth the price of dinner and dessert—and so much more! You are worth someone being “extravagant,” even lavish, over. After all, you are a daughter of the Most High King, a royal treasure, a beautiful masterpiece, a pearl of great price. You are a lady, and a true gentleman will recognize your value and act accordingly. Don’t settle and don’t forget to order dessert.

This way they know the man is chivalrous and old fashioned.  And if he has to wait a few years (or decades) while the woman pursues her career and savors her “season of singleness”, surely she is worth the wait.

Plus, the longer he waits, the more practice he will get at being chivalrous.  From the New York Post ‘Sneating’ is the online dating trend that feeds on chivalrous men

I could get used to hanging out with strangers for a decent meal. I’m hardly the first person to think of this — it even has its own dating term, “sneating,” which means sneakily chatting someone up solely for the purposes of a free meal — but I’m committed.

I started being more strategic about the guys whom I matched with on Tinder. Guys who said they were old-fashioned or knew how to treat a lady were in. They were the ones who were likely to pay on a first date.

H/T:  Nick Mgtow

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86 Responses to You’ll have to buy a few dinners on the road to finding your 53 year old dream girl.

  1. Jim says:

    I started being more strategic about the guys whom I matched with on Tinder. Guys who said they were old-fashioned or knew how to treat a lady were in. They were the ones who were likely to pay on a first date.

    There’s a sucker born every minute.

  2. earl says:

    So between seculars and churchian women the message is clear…

    Chivalry is for suckers.

    At least wimminz in the past were more discrete about it…now they write books and articles in major publications flat out telling you why they are doing it. I suppose we will hear more laments about ‘where have all the good men gone’?

  3. Mr.Woot says:

    A now 50+ career woman who has never been married giving advice on how to find a husband.

    I white knight for her – imagine growing up not ever learning that finding a man is easy if you are quiet, kind, and obedient.

  4. Anonymous Reader says:

    As 53 year old never married Wendy Griffith explains in her book on how to find a husband, it is important for women to only date men who are willing to buy them dinner and desert.

    I can’t help but wonder, does Wendy have a horse with no name?

  5. feministhater says:

    Dear Wendy

    Please keep doing what you’re doing. Shout it loud and proud to all your sisters. Please.

    Best wishes,
    MGTOW

  6. earl says:

    Perhaps we are seeing Wendy in the wrong light or maybe I like creating conspiracy theories.

    Rather than trying to tell women how to find a husband she is subtly sabotaging their attempts with this bad advice and they’ll end up a 53 year old single woman like her.

  7. feministhater says:

    Chivalry is for suckers.

    It is for suckers though so give thanks that they are pointing it out to you. They've done you a real favour here.

  8. feministhater says:

    Rather than trying to tell women how to find a husband she is subtly sabotaging their attempts with this bad advice and they’ll end up a 53 year old single woman like her.

    Yep, rather than get angry or frustrated with them, realise that they’re shining a huge spotlight on themselves, removing the obstacles in your way. Clearing the path, allowing you to sidestep them and move on with your life unmolested.

  9. feministhater says:

    If only all women were as refreshingly honest as Wendy Griffith and Mandy Hale. These women serve as great examples of telling you like it is and waving those red flags loud ‘n proud.

  10. John Calvin’s Periodontist says:

    @Earl

    Well said!

    Btw, I always enjoy reading your comments. If there had been a few more like you in my church, just two or three, I’d still be in the fold today.

  11. Jim says:

    If only all women were as refreshingly honest as Wendy Griffith and Mandy Hale. These women serve as great examples of telling you like it is and waving those red flags loud ‘n proud.

    It makes it easier for even blue pillers to see what’s coming.

  12. “After all, you are a daughter of the Most High King”

    But am I not a son of the Most High King? Someone worth more than being taken advantage of?

    No? Okay then.

  13. earl says:

    But am I not a son of the Most High King? Someone worth more than being taken advantage of?

    Not when it comes to goddess worship.

    Which if you dig deep enough you see that’s what Churchianity is mainly about.

  14. Joe2 says:

    Guys who said they were old-fashioned or knew how to treat a lady were in.

    The use of the phrase “knew how to treat a lady” is interesting and unfortunate. According to a preponderance of recent comments on an adult web site that advertises hook-ups for sex, that phrase is actually a euphemism or code for prostitution. A woman who appreciates a man who “knows how to treat a lady” or a woman who is looking for “a generous man” is actually soliciting without so stating because prostitution is illegal.

  15. earl says:

    I always like to include this passage in Scripture…you should be fearing the Lord regardless…but if you are the guy who wants the incentive reasons, here’s one:

    ‘And I discovered more bitter than death the woman whose heart is snares and nets, whose hands are chains. One who is pleasing to God will escape from her, but the sinner will be captured by her.’ Ecclesiastes 7:26

  16. Sharkly says:

    Ecclesiastes 7:26
    Like other Proverbs, that must be a general rule, with some exceptions. I’ve known some good men with bad wives, and even feel myself to be one. Unless it just takes more than 16 years for the righteous to make their escape, and I’m impatient as my years go by in torment.

  17. Jean says:

    “Sneating” is so obnoxious. How can you sit across from someone for a whole meal knowing that you’re just using them to pay for your dinner? My 22-year-old daughter never lets a man pay for her food—I guess this is another reason she should continue that practice.

  18. NotaBene says:

    @Joe2

    “The use of the phrase ‘knew how to treat a lady’ is interesting and unfortunate.”

    I use this definition of the word “lady”, which is an old American proverb:

    “A lady is a woman who makes it easy for a man to be a gentleman.”

  19. Larry G says:

    Earl,
    “Perhaps we are seeing Wendy in the wrong light or maybe I like creating conspiracy theories.
    Rather than trying to tell women how to find a husband she is subtly sabotaging their attempts with this bad advice and they’ll end up a 53 year old single woman like her.”

    So, what’s the down side of this? If this 53 yo female trainwreck dissuades other trainwrecks like her from bagging a shlump, GREAT! More power to her, get more cats.

  20. Larry G says:

    ““Sneating” is so obnoxious. How can you sit across from someone for a whole meal knowing that you’re just using them to pay for your dinner?”

    Well, like the huge majority of worthless modern western females, they sit across from a man for the whole meal with a smile on their face, using men to pay for their food. Why the surprise at no shame? Other animals do the same.

  21. JRob says:

    Rather than trying to tell women how to find a husband she is subtly sabotaging their attempts with this bad advice and they’ll end up a 53 year old single woman like her.

    RP101: They all secretly hate each other. Good catch Earl.

  22. Joe says:

    “God wants you to know that you are worth the price of dinner and dessert—and so much more! You are worth someone being “extravagant,” even lavish, over. After all, you are a daughter of the Most High King, a royal treasure, a beautiful masterpiece, a pearl of great price. You are a lady, and a true gentleman will recognize your value and act accordingly. Don’t settle and don’t forget to order dessert.”
    ********************************************************

    That’s TERRIBLE advice!

    Don’t marry someone who is spendthrift with YOUR money because she thinks she is “worth it”.

    When my wife and I were dating, she made the specific effort to try to order inexpensive items. She would tell me that she was “still thinking” and then ask what I was having. Then she would order something that was less expensive than I was ordering. Every single time.

    As time passed, she would cut out coupons for various places and suggest we go there, even though I paid for every date we had.

    That’s one of the reasons I knew I had a good one. She was making efforts to save me money even though we weren’t yet married, or even engaged. I wasn’t poor and didn’t need coupons, but I still used them. She liked the idea that she was helping me.

  23. Darwinian Arminian says:

    @earl
    So between seculars and churchian women the message is clear…

    Chivalry is for suckers.

    To be fair, it’s not limited to them. Not only have the top levels of church clergy have been running this con on single men for years, they up it to a new level of sham by adding marriage into the mix. A young man growing up in the church is going to hear a lot about what he needs to do in order to “prepare himself” for marriage: Get a degree. Make enough money to support two people or more. Learn to be a gentleman and defer to women’s wishes. And no sex at all, with anyone, unless you’ve put an expensive ring on their finger first.

    However, the young men who follow these orders also need to understand that their diligence and obedience entitles them to nothing more then cold and stale leftovers if that’s what the church wants to serve to them:

    For all of our theological maturity, we still expect that marriage to a beautiful virgin is our entitled reward for not having sex in high school.

    I am convinced that many Christian young man have not fully shaken off this terrible theology. We have come to understand, in principle, that “virginity” does not equate to “purity.” And we have further come to understand, in principle, that “marriage” is not the culminating reward for our not having sex before marriage. But functionally, marriage is still idealized to be something vainer than what Scripture calls it.

    In light of all this, here are three reasons I think Christian men should pursue Christian single moms for marriage.

    And the number one reason why the Christian single men who made something of themselves and didn’t sleep around should wife up those single moms?

    1. Single Christian moms are as pure as the sinless Son of God, which is more than you deserve in a wife.

    “He who finds a wife finds a good thing.” (Proverbs 18:22) Period. A wife is a gift of God’s grace, and grace is undeserved. If this is the case, then having the vain expectation of marrying a childless virgin is unwarranted.

    Many a Christian man who saved themselves for the honeymoon might find that spending it with a wife like this is an unappetizing prospect — but maybe that’s the entire point. After all, didn’t Pastor Doug Wilson already tell us that the role of a husband in his house was to act as an honored guest who wipes his feet and eats what he’s served? Put a smile on your face as both she and the church hand you your first steaming plate full of shit, soon to be followed by many more.

    Link to the article is here: https://ftc.co/resource-library/blog-entries/single-men-consider-the-single-mothers-in-your-church

  24. Gary Eden says:

    Single Christian moms are as pure as the sinless Son of God, which is more than you deserve in a wife.

    That sort of claptrap is aimed at single moms, not men. I know that’s pretty much the standard teaching, but rarely is it put that bluntly. And if the men of the congregation believe it when put that literally, well then they really are all cucked masochists.

    These churchians aren’t even trying to be biblical. If they were, they’d be quoting Deut 22:28-29 as a solution to single motherhood.

  25. Sneating might be obnoxious, but let’s not not pretend that it hasn’t been going on for decades already. Gotta love the feminine denial on this one.

    The main issue at hand here isn’t women unapologetically showing off their disingenuous personality and solipsism. The issue is human health.

    The vast majority of women in North America – probably 80%+ – would all do themselves a huge favor by simply putting the God damned fork down:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6382591/Psychological-impact-overweight-hits-women-twice-hard-men.html

  26. Kevin says:

    There is some truth in Griffiths thoughts. Just like there are some signals a woman sends that she is traditional like letting men ask her on dates the man can do the same. This signaling is correlated with religiosity, respect for marriage, etc whatever else it might carry in baggage conceptually. It’s not a crazy way to learn something about men of a certain age. The entitlement is, of course, gross.

    But now in our culture…I sadly told my boys, that since most of the girls they will encounter at their religious colllege will be feminists not interested in family, they should not spend money on a first date (if they do such a thing). Don’t spend money until you learn more.

  27. earl says:

    The ‘clergy man’ can hamster all sorts of reasons why a single mom is just as good choice as the childless virgin for marriage…but the truth is still the same…

    Some other guy planted his seed in her outside of marriage.

    If anything we need to be stricter with the sex talk with women…this whole idea men are pigs with sex but it’s wink wink when it comes to women trying out men before marriage isn’t ever going to solve the problem.

  28. Kevin says:

    @DA

    I don’t understand this insanity about more than you deserve. Well, I understand it, I just don’t really understand how Christians repeat it with a straight face.

    None of deserve anything. We are gifted forgiveness by Christ’s grace. The idea that men or women deserve anything different is just nuts. When will this pedestalization end.

    My wife was in a church planning meeting and this subject somehow came up. She just said the doctrine that women are fallen and sin just like men and the whole meeting ground to a stop. Everyone in the room supposedly believes that but in their hearts they have accepted feminist lies that some are more fallen than others. Makes the leaders terrible at helping women repent because they cannot wrap their heads around the fast women actually sin.

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  30. Novaseeker says:

    Makes the leaders terrible at helping women repent because they cannot wrap their heads around the fast women actually sin.

    I think it’s more that they think men are responsible for the sins women commit — so that even if women do sin, there is a man who is morally responsible for it, not the woman.

  31. The Last Psychiatrist, years ago, said that whenever a con man tries to con you, thank them, because they’ve told you something about yourself that you need to know.

    Now you know you look like a mark.

  32. OKRickety says:

    Some other quotes and thoughts on the article linked by Darwinian Arminian.

    “Many single Christian men in our churches bemoan the fact that they desire to be married, but can’t seem to find a wife. Perhaps the problem is that their “market” is too narrowly defined.”

    Perhaps that’s the problem, but I’ll go with probably not. And I believe it’s far more common for the women to be asking “Where are all the good men?”.

    “[Note: what has been said here is applicable to Christians regardless of your position on divorce and remarriage. My personal views, for example, are considered by most to be very strict, so the single moms I have in mind for this post are those who became single moms by virtue of unwedded pregnancies or the death of their husbands, and not by divorce. Additionally, this post could conceivably be written to single Christian women with an eye towards single Christian dads; everything still applies, but there are far more single moms in general than there are single dads.]”

    So his definition of a “single Christian mom” for this article does NOT include divorced women, but DOES include both unwed mothers and widows. That is a VERY strange way to group women who are “Christian”, unmarried, and mothers.

    He claims his personal views on divorce and remarriage are “very strict”. Perhaps he believes all divorced women are ineligible to marry another. That would potentially explain the grouping, but it still seems strange.

    About the Author:

    “Samuel G. Parkison, a Regular Contributor to For The Church, is a PhD student at Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. He lives in Kansas City with his wife (Shannon) and their two sons (Jonah and Henry), where Samuel serves as a Pastor of Teaching and Liturgy at Emmaus Church.”

    This is from a Baptist PhD student at a theological seminary, further evidence that the Southern Baptist Convention is on its way downhill fast.

  33. Anonymous Reader says:

    @OKRickety

    Without reading that article, I will predict that the word “bastard” is never used…if I’m right, do I win a prize?

  34. Spike says:

    The biggest single problem women face is that they assumed they could carry on their bad behavior ad infinitum once their side of the Obligation Register got dismantled by the sex / social revolutions.
    They never counted on the Internet being used by men to communicate amongst themselves, exposing the cold-hearted, mercenary and whorish nature of women. Men – particularly young ones with a slight bit of Game in them, are awake to what the rotten deal is.
    Any man that has an expensive dinner with a woman today can’t say he hasn’t been informed. He would have to be doubling down on his own stupidity to get ripped off by a ”sneater” .

  35. Nick Mgtow says:

    earl on November 13, 2018 at 11:34 am
    So between seculars and churchian women the message is clear…

    Chivalry is for suckers.

    At least wimminz in the past were more discrete about it…now they write books and articles in major publications flat out telling you why they are doing it. I suppose we will hear more laments about ‘where have all the good men gone’?

    And that’s why PUAs and MGTOWs – that’s funny, a lot of them hate each other’s teachings – advise to not invite women to dinner on the first date.

    Do an outside activity, walk, have fun, but don’t invite her to eat.

    If she’s there to be a dinner whore, -forgive me, sneating- she’ll act annoying to short cut the date. (True story)

  36. Lost Patrol says:

    the vain expectation of marrying a childless virgin is unwarranted.

    Coming from a seminary PhD candidate this is the clarion call of defeat. It’s over boys. That ship sailed decades ago. We’ve thrown in the towel. The expectation is unwarranted. It is vain.

    A man may have his reasons for marrying a single mom and that is his call, but for the up and coming clergyman of the future to take this tack is a bad sign. This is from the Sheila Gregoire school of ‘virginity is a pile of horse manure’, or words to that effect. It’s a package deal that is gaining traction. A re-framing of what stood for centuries as an ideal even if not a reality on the ground. Church girls don’t have to be virgins anymore and everyone needs to get on board with that. Or in the current vernacular “come alongside” with that.

    Sidebar: “come alongside”, and “unpack” some Bible verse or other have become my current trigger phrases. Guaranteed to piss me off immediately. It’s a personal problem.

  37. Larry G says:

    Ok, that article about young Christian single men marrying the single mommys is satire, right? Surely that author wasn’t serious??

  38. Nick Mgtow says:

    I didn’t normally go for guys who said things like, “I’m the man.” I usually fell for men who didn’t argue when I said it was my turn to pay for dinner. These men noticed my intelligence before my looks, or at least they said they did.

    […] My ex called himself a feminist, but in our marriage that seemed to mean he felt fine about me dramatically out-earning him, fine about spending my income freely on luxuries, and fine about me covering the mortgage, the private school tuition for our children and the rest of our financial commitments. (At the time, he was building a small retail business from which he took no salary.)

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    This experience should have led me to dump any guy who claimed it was a man’s job to manage a couple’s money, but here it was having the opposite effect. I craved a man who sought to take financial responsibility for his family, even if I didn’t need it…

  39. earl says:

    Do an outside activity, walk, have fun, but don’t invite her to eat.

    Funny thing was I read about that advice back in the late 90s-early 2000s. First dates should be coffee, walk in the park, activity like bowling. You probably spend something like 20-30 bucks over 3 dates and get plenty of intel.

  40. Oscar says:

    That’s what I did in college. Mostly because I was broke.

  41. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    A wife is a gift of God’s grace,

    Does this mean that God is especially pleased with men who have multiple wives (i.e., polygamy)? After all, God has doubly blessed the bigamist, and fourfold blessed the Muslim, and has bestowed blessings upon untold blessing on the polygamist.

  42. Anonymous Reader says:

    Lost Patrol
    Sidebar: “come alongside”, and “unpack” some Bible verse or other have become my current trigger phrases. Guaranteed to piss me off immediately. It’s a personal problem.

    What you need is a hedge of protection against triggering. That’s what you need…

  43. Danny says:

    Am I the only one that thinks that Wendy Griffith sounds more like a madam than a woman’s advocate?

  44. Nick Mgtow says:

    Modern women are clueless about men and have no idea how relationships work. It honestly isn’t their fault…

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/why-little-boys-dont-become-men-that-women-want-to-marry

  45. Nick Mgtow says:

    Danny on November 13, 2018 at 7:05 pm
    Am I the only one that thinks that Wendy Griffith sounds more like a madam than a woman’s advocate?

    Well Danny. Women became pawns in the cheptel of specimens that dating sites, corporations, feminists movement and other preachers of said feminists movement (Pastors, Oprah, Faculties) exploit and milk.

    Wendy sells to those women the dream of “Sex and the City independence” they crave for while milking them of their fertility, time, money, and the life of love that they could live. For their own gain.

  46. Nick Mgtow says:

    earl on November 13, 2018 at 6:42 pm
    Do an outside activity, walk, have fun, but don’t invite her to eat.

    Funny thing was I read about that advice back in the late 90s-early 2000s. First dates should be coffee, walk in the park, activity like bowling. You probably spend something like 20-30 bucks over 3 dates and get plenty of intel.

    Well Earl, I read about it a decade ago, I was receiving that newsletter from a PUA that taught that, going for the kill first would get you laid more than dating first, then trying to “close” the deal!

  47. American says:

    Wendy, buy your own meals… and fetch my socks.

  48. “… and don’t forget to order dessert.”

    Looking around, I see that many girls took her advice about ordering desserts. Or two.

  49. 😁😁😁 “Lean in”, “Choreplay”, “Chivalry”…Nope!

  50. earl says:

    ‘Modern women are clueless about men and have no idea how relationships work. It honestly isn’t their fault…’

    I’d disagree…even the opinion writer pointed out this tweet from a female.

    “What do you expect after 60 years of feminist hagarry de-masculinizing men? Feminists created the very betas they bemoan.”

    The combo of feminists and the white knight enablers both serve to emasculate men. And once men are emasculated they are closer to eunuchs. Then you hear the too often lament…’where have all the good men gone’

  51. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    A spouse should always be #1 in a family. If you marry a single mom, the best you might achieve is #2. Lower if she has more than one child, or any pets…

    That is even true with many traditional families, when a spouse makes the children more important than their spouse. When the children move out, all that is left are two strangers that have been married for a time.

  52. ChristianCool says:

    I know several (and by this I mean more than 12 guys) who used and still use Tinder and they tell me the app is still the easiest and cheapest “date” around. The quality of girl son Tinder is much lower than when it first started, but still doable in certain parts of the country (middle America in upper-middle class areas).

    The game plan: once you “match”, ask her what she is up to right now (or at night or whatever) and say “wanna hang out and watch Netflix)… if she says “yes”, ask “my place or your place” and go for the bang. My sources say the bang-rate is around 80%… sometimes the girl will hang out and not go for the bang, but hey, it happens to everyone. *shrug*

    While I personally do not use Tinder, I know for a fact the “come over watch Netflix” thing works extremely well, confirmed by several guys I know (many who do not even know each other and told me about the “Netflix date” thing).

    I personally prefer “Dating sites” (i.e. eHarmony, Match, ChristianCafe, etc) since I am over 35 now and it is much easier to use such sites to “easy mode” some dates, but still, at least 80% of my “dates” come from in-person approaches at local retail stores (groceries, outlet mall, etc). The quality on actual date sites is much better than some of what I have seen on Tinder lately….

    To think men on Tinder are willing to shill out actual cash to feed whores is a joke. They call this “Tinder Food Stamps”, that is when “poor career girls” will use Tinder to mooch off food and drink at restaurants to break their “Ramen noodle diet” since they are paying college loans and are broke. There are TONS of girls doing that on Tinder… this has been known widely for months, maybe over a year!! How come some guys are still feeding whores from Tinder is beyond me!! 😮

    The most I will give a girl is a couple drinks (alcohol), even though I do not drink booze myself. If she is truly “above the cut” and distinguishes herself in my local dating pool, I will set-up a 2nd date and MAYBE will do some food or just dessert. But I am talking girls above a 7 or 8…. 9’s are rare in my target age group (27-32), and 10s are non-existent or want a rich guy and/or are Dubai porta-potties.

    The rest the max they will get from me is x2 drinks at $10/each, max. More than that and I am “ciao!” and walk away. Women will ALWAYS push guys to see how far they can go. If guys let them get away with much, their behavior will only worse.

  53. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    Why expect from someone else, that you aren’t willing to do yourself?

    Or is the author ok with the sexist based hypocrisy?

  54. ChristianCool says:

    @earl

    Yes, you are right! It IS 100% women’s fault. They created the hook-up culture as an “advancement tool” as radical feminist Hanna Rosin has explained, so women can focus on hooking-up in college (saves time and avoids time-sucking relationships) so their focus is on their degree. It is a typical idiotic-concept, but hook-up culture is the creation of the Feminist left. Women are 100% to blame for their own misery now.

    How often we see women create a maelstrom of s#it for themselves and then complain it is everyone’s else’s fault or want men to bail them out? -_-

    I can also attest this situation is far more advanced in Western Europe then in USA. When I was 15-16 years old and still lived in Brazil for my Dad’s consulate work, we attended many parties where many kids of officials from other countries’ consulates would attend the events.

    The Scandinavian and German guys were the ones that shocked me the most. Some of the guys were way taller then me (at 5’10”), many were very fit and well-dressed, and some looked like they should be on the cover of GQ magazines! And yet, they stood around like a buncha pansies and the girls would do the “signaling” so the guys could approach. 😮 I once asked this Euro-beta dude why they do not approach girls and he told me it was “inappropriate and menacing, unless the woman gave them a clear signal they could approach”. 🙄 I asked where he heard that and he said “everyone knows this, but we learn ‘manners’ at school”.

    This was the same story with Norwegian, German, etc etc. The guys were ultra-beta. When you met a guy who was an Alpha from these countries, that Alpha dude would easily dominate the attention of 95% of the women (I met one Dane like that, but he was extremely rare). But the overwhelming number of guys from Western Europe were raging beta cucks. I would often think these guys were gay because they were so nice and pussified. I felt bad for them, but back in the mid-1990s, we had no idea this was the product of social engineering via media, education, and feminism.

    I was never one to wait and of course, I made some inroads by my aggressive approaching style, and the girls were resistant and even surprised at first, but they quickly warmed up to it.

    Women, and the public education system they dominate have beta-fied men beyond recognition. Western Europe is decades ahead of the USA in this regard, and even as we watch the horror the decimation of American men in the USA, it is almost “closing time” for civilization in Europe. The Betafication there is 100% complete, I kid you not.

    Case in point… who is the man of the house in this German “family” photo? 🙄

    Any man who allows his wife/woman to cuck him and bring a “Refugee” into their home and stays is a beta bitch and deserves all he gets.

    Only a raging Beta male would accept this kinda shit. Decades of social engineering by women will do that.

    Ps. I would love to see these raging Beta males in Macron’s “European Army” to defend against Russia and China. LOL 😀

  55. Gary Eden says:

    I think it’s more that they think men are responsible for the sins women commit — so that even if women do sin, there is a man who is morally responsible for it, not the woman.

    Given that they almost universally pin the blame for divorce on the men, despite all evidence to the contrary, I would say you are right.

    Women are goddesses. Any perceived fault must somehow be a man’s fault. Like the feminist Christian version of structural oppression/privilege.

  56. Joe2 says:

    Danny on November 13, 2018 at 7:05 pmAm I the only one that thinks that Wendy Griffith sounds more like a madam than a woman’s advocate?No you’re not the only one. See my comment on November 13, 2018 at 12:41 pm. She even uses the correct buzz words.

  57. Karl says:

    Dalrock,

    Slight typo at the end of the first paragraph (before the quote) :

    “willing to buy them dinner and desert.”

    “desert” should be “dessert”

  58. John James R. says:

    Women blog about ‘sneating’ and even promote it. Look what happens when a man tries a very, very similar thing;

    https://knowtechie.com/tinder-dine-dash-prison/

  59. ChristianCool says:

    By the way, since women created the “hook up culture” as we all know, the idea that “1950s style dating” is still going to happen for them to enjoy milking food and entertainment from me this day and age is crazy. 🙄 These days are gone and over.

    I have to say, I have been played for a sucker before on dates back in the late 1990s and early 2000s before I got married at age 22…. But who hadn’t back then? Dating back then required men put forward a lot of effort (wash car before date, make reservations for dinner, clothes ready, have an after-dinner planned activity, etc). The women, however, put forward a lot of effort too: perfect make-up and hair, nice clothes, pleasant demeanor, etc.

    If a guy met a woman for a date and she was rude or looked like crap, you shut it down early on and left without wasting your money. Some guys would set-up 2 or 3 dates per night just in case too.

    Dating was “mating dancing” from the 1950s that came back in the 1990s and I have to admit, I enjoyed it quite a bit back then. But did I have some dates that “took me for a ride” for free food and drink? Of course. But overall, it was a good time.

    But today…. to think “traditional dating” is gonna come back for our ever-fattened, slobber, and uglier modern women, who use Tinder to get pumped ‘n dumped by dudes is crazy. 🙄

    The Hook-up Culture sucked for guys who did not understand it at first, but now, it is game over. The guys are playing by same rules as women and we turned the tables on them.

    No way I am gonna hand out “Tinder food stamps” (or ‘sneating’ or whatever they call it), so she can have expensive food on my dime.

    🙄

  60. thedeti says:

    God wants you to know that you are worth the price of dinner and dessert—and so much more! You are worth someone being “extravagant,” even lavish, over. After all, you are a daughter of the Most High King, a royal treasure, a beautiful masterpiece, a pearl of great price. You are a lady, and a true gentleman will recognize your value and act accordingly. Don’t settle and don’t forget to order dessert.

    This attitude is what gave rise to the practices of “meet for drinks only, no more than one hour” and “do not spend money on a woman you’re not having sex with”, originating in PUA and then filtering through into the early manosphere. Men were realizing they were being taken advantage of, spending money, and getting nothing in return for it, over and over again. So the advice was “buy her one, maybe 2 drinks, if nothing is happening in an hour, end the date”, and Tom Leykis’ “spend no more than $40 on a date; $0 is optimal”. Do not buy food for women, do not buy $100 steak dinners for women before you have sex with them. Do not buy expensive gifts. No evenings out. No all expense paid overnights or weekends away. None of that, at least not until she has had sex with you.

  61. thedeti says:

    John James R

    I don’t get how dine and dash is felony extortion. $1000 fits “grand theft”, and that’s a felony. But 13 years? For stealing $1000 worth of restaurant food?

    No. This man is not really being accused of these crimes. No, he’s accused of the crimes of Making Women Feel Bad, Wasting Women’s Time, Judging Women, Rejecting Women, and Being Mean to Women.

  62. JonKL says:

    Always have a coffee date. Or take her to the cheapest place.

  63. John James R. says:

    And that’s what happens when court systems are overrun with females and white knights. Pure sexism and emotional vindication in response to false narratives. Now there are oppressed judges. They’ve overcome so much! K-12, higher-ed and gov’t hiring regulations were just an endless series of misogynistic obstacles, right? All the female teachers in K-12 knocking down female students while favoring the boys, right? Sure.

    But 13 years. I couldn’t believe it. Women write blogs about dining for free under false romantic pretenses. It’s seen as funny as in “Ha ha, men are such losers” What’s the difference though?

  64. freebird says:

    1. Single Christian moms are as pure as the sinless Son of God, which is more than you deserve in a wife.
    All fall SHORT of the glory of God.No one is suitable to God,only through The Intercessor Christ who washed us with HIS blood and acts as our Counsel before God at The Great White Throne.
    So easy to ingest then digest and assimilate blasphemy these days,it is the staus quo.

    People are bitching about male incels,let’s talk about the real problem,
    FEMALE INCELS who make the long slow march through the institutions and make everyone’s life Hell through the promotion of passive aggressive Manipulation which can only exist under the protection of a Police State.
    Police State=Chivalry.

    TLDR
    Bitches got the power AND the guns.
    Just by jacking the jaw and flashing cunt fumes.
    Wonder what it’s like to be a cop’s wife,knowing your “Knight” Is Out There
    Sniffing and doing for Pussy ALL DAY LONG.

  65. freebird says:

    It would seem the German girls do like the dark meat,totally cucking the white man they Tamed to the point they no longger want them,except for the payments of course.
    So the wife says she’s not fucking the visitor.
    Nope,none of them are fucking this exotic dark meat they Imported for That Specific Purpose.
    Then the baby is born, or better yet,an abortion because she’s too old now,the husband
    Finds Out eve with his Totally Blind eyes,and divorce happens.

    Which is Exactly what she wanted in her heart anyway,especially considering the whole cash and Prizes aspect and NO repercussions whatsoever.

    Yet here in the States the Govt is making it harder and harder for men to import foreign wives.
    Whilst Hypocritical selfsame govt Imports around 100,000 stem workers so the United States
    Corporations can have low wage high tech jobs.

    “Dad, what should I study in school?
    “I don’t know son,let’s just get high and play video games,
    perhaps some day you could get a job as a corrections officer in the burgeoning Police State
    Industry.”

  66. Don'sJohnson says:

    The “pearl of great price” is redemption through Christ, not some woman. Even the most pious woman’s piety is like dirty rags to the Lord.
    The level of narcissism from Churchians is astounding. You are meant to understand that we are all fallen and unworthy. Christ redeems us because of his righteousness not ours. This “pearl of great price” and “daughter of the most high” talk is a blasphemous inversion of the Word.

  67. freebird says:

    Sorry,don’t mean to flood your forum Dalrock,my spirit compels me to say;
    The longest war the United States has ever been in,Afghanistan,has yielded Nothing for the American people except dead boys and streets flooded with heroin.

    The fact is Govt is about making money for the wealthy.
    For instance,Amazon is getting $48,000 tax credit (Payment) for each job it makes in NY.
    Is this good policy?
    Maybe it is,maybe it isn’t,
    But handing out Corporate welfare willy-nilly whilst telling the american man he must compete
    with someone globally who will work for a handful of rice is MORE than disingenuous.

    Everywhere a man turns these days he is BESIEGED by entities telling him to do more for so much less,until finally,it’s compelling to go Galt,
    Which is where we are now,pulling at that thread on society’s blanket.

    Not really a problem,easy fix:
    Make another Patriotic war and spend the male who wouldst otherwise dissent.
    That is to say: Kill them and imprison anyone who doesn’t follow the Narrative.
    Which is what happens,beat the drums,sound the trumpets,the Unions is at risk.(again)
    Now they say the terrorists will come from Canada.
    Which has become a staging area thanks to Trudeau.
    The Southern Border is fully permeable.
    Like the American male,America itself is Besought on all sides with TRAITORS within running this total shit-show.

    “Dad,what should I study in school?”
    “Doesn’t matter son,just stay out of the Grinder.”
    “Is the best you can do.”

    (Because you have been abandoned by everyone and everything you were taught to “Love”)
    Including “God” as The churches present Her.

  68. DR Smith says:

    Meanwhile, in a Kay Jewelers commercial, we have the leftist approved version of the manly man for 2018, telling the message that men just need to ‘man-up” and ask an older, broken down woman’s young son (looks to be between 8 to 10 yrs old) to marry her: https://www.ispot.tv/ad/dXIG/kay-jewelers-neil-lane-sons-permission:

    I nearly vomited when I saw that…so comforting to know that the marriage industry is totally converged now…but that was the plan all along, I’m sure.

  69. Paul says:

    “God wants you to know that [..] You are worth someone being “extravagant,” even lavish, over. After all, you are a daughter of the Most High King, a royal treasure, a beautiful masterpiece, a pearl of great price. You are a lady, and a true gentleman will recognize your value and act accordingly. Don’t settle and don’t forget to order dessert.”

    What the heck? This is pedestalizing at its worst.

    What about thinking in terms of ‘God wants me to be a helpmeet to a man, which man can I help best on his mission to serve God?’

  70. A divorced father raising two sons says:

    This woman is nothing but a gold digger taking advantage of ignorant people – both men and women

  71. Joe2 says:

    Being played for a sucker on a date is nothing new.

    I’ve heard it several times, but never believed it. When going to the movies was a typical date, guys would usually let the girl select the movie. Big mistake!

    All too often the girl would simply use the guy as an “admission ticket” to see a movie her girlfriends saw or talked about. After she saw the movie, she lost interest in the guy and he was too dumb to realize he was suckered.

  72. Joe2 says:

    @DR SMith

    I nearly vomited when I saw that…so comforting to know that the marriage industry is totally converged now…but that was the plan all along, I’m sure.

    It may be appropriate for you to contact Signet Jewelers Limited, which operates Kay Jewelers, and their CEO Virginia C. Drosos and explain why their commercial is offensive to Christians. I seriously doubt Kay Jewelers would have commercials that are offensive to other religions and Christianity should be no exception.

  73. earl says:

    When going to the movies was a typical date, guys would usually let the girl select the movie. Big mistake!

    Yeah when I ask for and plan the date it’s always something I like to do. Granted she may not like it but she wasn’t the one asking & planning.

  74. earl says:

    What about thinking in terms of ‘God wants me to be a helpmeet to a man, which man can I help best on his mission to serve God?’

    That’s certainly the correct path a woman should view…but the message won’t tickle the ears of gullible women like the other one does.

  75. Anon says:

    ChristianCool,

    I once asked this Euro-beta dude why they do not approach girls and he told me it was “inappropriate and menacing, unless the woman gave them a clear signal they could approach”. 🙄 I asked where he heard that and he said “everyone knows this, but we learn ‘manners’ at school”.

    This was the same story with Norwegian, German, etc etc. The guys were ultra-beta. When you met a guy who was an Alpha from these countries, that Alpha dude would easily dominate the attention of 95% of the women (I met one Dane like that, but he was extremely rare). But the overwhelming number of guys from Western Europe were raging beta cucks.

    The weakest of all are Polish men, in my experience.

    They learn the same ‘manners’ and passive betatude as nearby German and Scandinavian men, but also lack the good looks and height of the Nordic/Teutonic types. Hence, their results are often the worst-of-all-worlds in Betatude, and this is also why we see Polish women marrying outside of their community (and even their race) with just about the highest frequency of any women.

  76. Anon says:

    thedeti,

    This attitude is what gave rise to the practices of “meet for drinks only, no more than one hour” and “do not spend money on a woman you’re not having sex with”, originating in PUA and then filtering through into the early manosphere. Men were realizing they were being taken advantage of, spending money, and getting nothing in return for it, over and over again.

    Of course.

    As recently as the 1980s, the average man could get engaged to the average women after only buying first-dinners for three or four women. Of course, women saw this as a well that would never dry up, and now the typical 6 can easily extract thousands of courtship dollars out of men over a decade or more.

    PUAs have refined the optimization around this to ensure that the first date is extremely inexpensive, and the second date is at either the man’s place or her’s, where sex is to occur. The fact that so many men still buy dinners on a first date is astonishingly clueless, and I don’t have sympathy for them anymore. Hence, I don’t have a huge problem with Wendy Griffith, as she is simply ripping off the men and women who deserve to be ripped off.

  77. BillyS says:

    It may be easy to say “don’t buy dinner” but some internal attitudes and ways of thought are very hard to break. Some of you are too young to realize that.

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  79. greyghost says:

    Who in the hell dates to marry a 53 year old? And want 53 year old woman thinks that is going to happen with the man that meets her qualifications? LOL.

  80. BillyS says:

    Greyghost,

    I would gladly date (and even marry) a 53 year old, if I could find one that was reasonably thin, liked the things I enjoy doing, was a seriously committed Christian, and was faithful (impossible to measure unfortunately).

    I don’t expect to find one that meets these things and who is really attracted to me, but I would do it if I could. I am definitely not holding my breath as I do not expect it to happen though.

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  82. Paul says:

    @BillyS

    Ann Coulter is still single

  83. feeriker says:

    It may be easy to say “don’t buy dinner” but some internal attitudes and ways of thought are very hard to break. Some of you are too young to realize that.

    I think it’s safe to say that even those of us who grew up in a world where buying dates dinner was still considered a relatively low-risk, low-expense norm are now fully aware of what an unforgivably stupid thing it is for any man of any age to do today, for any woman of any age. Even most older Boomers recognize this; only the dwindling number of survivors of my parents’ generation (the so-called “Silent Generation”) are so out of touch as to believe that the old rules still apply.

  84. feeriker says:

    Ann Coulter is still single

    Ann Coulter is just Wendy Griffiths without the pretense of Christianity.

  85. ChristianCool says:

    @Anon

    Wait, what?!?!? Polish dudes are HUGE ape-like dudes, they seem to almost all be on ‘roids, they seem aggressive and masculine.

    I agree that Polish women HATE their men… yes, they marry foreign guys at a very high rate, but I thought that was mainly for economic reasons.

    In terms of Beta, I have a hard time imagining any males, maybe the modern Herbivore Japanese guys, being more beta than Norwegians or Swedish guys. I have many Norwegian friends, 1 Danish friend, and no Swedes (they are assholes) and they always see me as the AMOG in every instance because they are so dam beta.

    ——

    Ann Coulter is one of the most effective female Conservative pitbulls and she is sick and tired of #MeToo and the persecution of men in America. Not only that, she is vehemently against mass immigration, which is THE certain way to destroy America from within.

    If we have an amnesty and the 22-30 million illegals currently inside the USA get citizenship, get even MORE welfare, and vote, Texas, Utah, and Arizona, become “toss up battleground States”. Florida becomes an automatic Blue State, like California. It becomes mathematically impossible for any Conservative to ever win the Presidency.

    The Senate is almost certainly going to be a 70-30 for the Left and the House becomes overwhelmingly left as soon as we have a Census and re-districting.

    Bernie Sanders and Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez will seem MODERATE compared to the Soviet-style Democrats that will rise from an amnesty for illegals.

    This grim scenario is before the 22-30 million newly-legalized, newly-minted US citizen, certain voting Democrats chain migrate another 100 million relatives of theirs, which will add more welfare recipients and leftist voters.

    Any idiot like Karl Rove who say these illegals are “natural conservatives” because they are sometimes less favored of abortion has never lived outside the US and has never worked directly with immigrants. These people LOVE big gov’t, they love welfare, they elect socialist gov’ts in their home countries. These 3rd world countries are fuc#ed-up because the PEOPLE there are fuc#ed up. They vote for politicians who are ultra left…. just look at Venezuela, Brazil, Cuba, Mexico, etc etc. Think they are gonna “magically change” and become conservatives because of abortion when they come to the USA?? 🙄 They vote welfare for themselves…. these people are leeches. They are natural welfare-loving, big govt leftists. Just looking at polling data, over 80% of immigrants here favor gun bans, tax hikes, and expanded welfare benefits.

    Ann Coulter has been one of the biggest warriors against mass immigration and amnesty and she should be praised for her work in keeping America from collapse and civil war because of mass immigration.

  86. Tubalcain says:

    OkRickety, November 13, 2018.
    The young man who wrote this article admonishing young men in his church to pursue unwed single mommies is well intentioned, but a bit naive, IMHO. I should know, as I’m an older man who’s taken a couple of evening classes at Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Kansas City (I’m not even a Protestant), and sappy articles coming out of there are a staple it appears. And your commentary that the largest Protestant denomination (SBC) is going downhill is spot on. Visiting with some classmates and faculty, I sense a real concern that the ugly face of liberalism is again tugging at the heart of the SBC. But what’s wrong with this article on pursuing single mommies. Well let’s see. That they’re damaged goods? That invariably their trophy bastards will be “first” in their life? That a dullard baby daddy (or daddies) from her past may well pop up and be a source of irritation and drama? That she and her brood will view you as a meal ticket? That you’ll always play second fiddle to her brood? The list goes on and on, but truth be told, any sensible and self respecting young man of faith would, and should, stay clear of such women. Let the cucks and Chads have them.

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