Feminists resent his chivalry even as he chivalrously supports feminism.

Country star Chris Janson has a song climbing the charts titled Drunk Girl, teaching that the difference between a man and a boy is that real men seek out sloppy drunk women in bars so they can take them safely into their beds:

Take a drunk girl home
Let her sleep all alone
Leave her keys on the counter your number by her phone
Pick up her life she threw on the floor
Leave the hall lights on walk out and lock the door
That’s how she knows the difference between a boy and man
Take a drunk girl home

 

Kathryn Schulz at The New Yorker wrote about the song in The Kavanaugh Hearing, Chris Janson’s “Drunk Girl,” and Country Music’s #MeToo Misfire.  Schulz notes that Janson is promoting a message of feminist empowerment:

To its credit, the song gets one thing mostly right, which is the woman at the heart of it. She is an uncomfortable figure, but a real enough one, and Janson does her the rare courtesy of not chastising her for drinking. On the contrary, he makes it the man’s responsibility to behave appropriately…

…he implicitly endorses the Drunk Girl’s right to [drink with impunity] without devastating consequences.

But despite the fact that the song promotes feminist thought, the song is not intended as a feminist song.  It is a chivalrous song.  Not surprisingly, Schulz deeply resents the idea that men protecting women is noble.  Hilariously, she can’t even bring herself to admit the issue:

A month ago, when I first heard “Drunk Girl,” I was struck by the contrast between its good intentions and its dazzling cluelessness. Much as the man in the song doesn’t deserve credit for not raping a woman, the man who sings it doesn’t deserve credit for his allegedly bold stand against rape. Now, though, because “Drunk Girl” criticizes exactly the kinds of acts that Kavanaugh stands accused of committing, it has become abruptly, improbably pointed. By articulating the unbelievably low bar to which men are held, it accidentally condemns the specific man who, according to multiple credible allegations, fails to pass even that miserable standard.

Schulz is pretending that the only two choices men have are between taking drunk girls home to have sex with them, and taking drunk girls home to protect them.  But the inclination of the vast majority of men is to do neither.  Most men understand that taking a drunk woman home invites being seen as a predator either way.  Janson isn’t trying to get rapists to stop raping;  he is trying to convince good men that they should take drunk women home as an act of chivalry, so that the drunk woman doesn’t wind up having sex she might later regret.  Janson also wants men to leave a note with their name and number, so the woman can wake up the next morning and express what he foolishly expects will be her gratitude:

Took a drunk girl home
In the sober light of dawn
She left you a message she thanked you on the phone
Cause you picked up her life she threw on the floor
You left the hall lights on walked out and locked the door
That’s how she knows the difference between a boy and man
Take a drunk girl home

But Schulz can’t stand the idea of feeling grateful to Janson and his followers for their chivalry.  She loves that the song tells men they have the obligation to facilitate feminist debauchery, to make sure it is safe and pleasurable.  But the cost of simple gratitude is too much for her to bear.  Luckily for her and feminists everywhere, chivalrous men are eager to facilitate feminism whether feminists are thankful or not.  When clueless men follow the lesson of the song and find they trigger not gratitude but resentment* supporters of chivalry will respond that this only shows that we need even more chivalry, with even higher risks to well meaning men.  In fact, the less thankful feminists are, the more eager chivalrous men will be to facilitate feminism.  Everybody wins.  Well, almost everybody.

*Ranging from being called a creep to being charged and convicted of rape.  This is made worse because only the most socially clueless (creepy) men would actually take the message of the song seriously enough to act it out, and a jury of chivalrous men and feminist women will be eager to convict any man who is accused of harming a woman.

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95 Responses to Feminists resent his chivalry even as he chivalrously supports feminism.

  1. mgtowhorseman says:

    As Cappy recently pointed out, we need to just stand down.
    The risks of getting into a misinterpreted situation or a violent one are just too great.
    She wakes up “how did I get here? Agh a stranger was in my house! He MUST have done something!”. = white knight done.
    Or you bring her home and hubby opens the door with you holding passed out wife in your arms. Again white knight is done.

    Nope just remember: not my circus, not my monkey

    Or better yet, pass the popcorn, this should be entertaining.

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  3. Trust says:

    One of the ironies of noticed about left-leaning philosophies like socialism and feminism is how their ire is more directed at those who deserve it least, very much a biting the hand that feeds them approach.

    Feminism is much more likely to punish decent men than men who are actually a threat. The men who are a threat get showered with sex. Decent men get a threatpoint overload of alimony and child support, so a woman can comfortably bang bad men in a nice big home their ex bought.

    Socialism constantly rails against “the rich,” but how much gratitude do you see? Elizabeth Warren rails against gas company profits, but she in reality should be praying for more them, since it is necessary for her wealth redistribution programs. Ironic that people who get $50,000 in handouts rail regard the person paying over a million in taxes as a leach.

    Chivalrous men are getting eaten by the feminist beast they feed.

  4. Sharkly says:

    Women are Pigs!

  5. 7817 says:

    That song is full of cringe. It’s almost as bad as H.O.L.Y.

  6. Novaseeker says:

    Janson isn’t trying to get rapists to stop raping; he is trying to convince good men that they should take drunk women home as an act of chivalry, so that the drunk woman doesn’t wind up having sex she might later regret.

    In part yes, but I suspect mainly he’s trying to virtue signal, especially to female country fans (i.e.,not Manhattan feministas writing for The New Yorker), in order to sell songs and tour tickets. In other words, pandering, in a way similar to how we see many evangelical pastors pander.

    Actually doing what he proposes is extremely foolish — it’s way too risky from the perspective of not being given the benefit of the doubt at all (a man who is alone with a drunk woman will never be given the benefit of the doubt). If women want to get blind drunk, they need to take care of themselves somehow in that situation, just like men do.

  7. Jonadab-the-Rechabite says:

    A grievance culture extinguishes gratitude. Likewise actions have consequences. The only way not to lose is to not play the game. Be grateful for your blessings and avoid the people that drain your gratitude and consequently your joy. Leave the drunks to their hangovers, the sluts to their loneliness and cats; choose to live a quite and peaceable life of private virtue in the pursuit of justice, goodness and beauty. Get out of the bar and into a great book, seek the higher things.

  8. Sharkly says:

    Sorry for going off topic so soon, but I come bearing good news.
    Ken Alexander put out a really good post yesterday, that I just saw:
    https://thetransformedwife.com/husbands-are-to-be-servant-leaders/
    I’m often disappointed with Ken’s White Knighting, but this post seems to be far better than most from him. He is getting better I think.

  9. thedeti says:

    So, let me get this straight.

    Feminists shriek “Teach men not to rape.”

    Country/western singer says “Men, don’t rape drunk girls. Don’t have sex with drunk girls.”

    Feminists shriek “Aaaaarrrrrggh! I can’t BELIEVE this singer is telling men not to rape drunk girls! I can’t believe we have to teach you not to rape drunk girls! I can’t believe this is a song about not raping drunk girls!”

    Huh???? Men can’t win for losing. No matter what you do, it’s never good enough.
    __________
    Women are never going to express thanks or gratitude for a man chivalrously taking a drunk girl home. The couple of times I did this in college, all I got was a sheepish “thanks” before she passed out or sometime the next couple of days. And I never even expected sex or anything else.

    Janson’s song suggests that men taking home drunk girls and leaving their numbers and being so, so nice to them is sexually attractive. The claim is that this is a good way for men to get girlfriends, relationships and sex. This is utterly false at best and dangerous at worst. Today, no man is going to get a relationship or later sex because he didn’t take advantage of a shitfaced girl.

    How it really plays out: Nice guy takes drunk girl home, leaves his number. The best he can hope for is a “thanks” text. More likely he’ll just never hear from her again. Worst case: Cops jam him up after she reports to police something in her apartment is missing or she lies that he must have had sex with her.

    Bad boy takes drunk girl home, he has sex with her while barely coherent. He leaves his number. She has vague recollection of hot sex, calls him up; he returns her text 3 days later, adds her to his harem, removes her from harem 3 months later when she starts pressing him for commitment and whining “where are we going with this” and “what am I to you??”

  10. Lexet Blog says:

    As an attorney, this song is the most irresponsible, dumbass advice ever given by a white knight of the highest order of retarded jackassery.

    Under no circumstance should any man do anything mentioned in this song, lest you suffer from false allegations and end up in prison for numerous charges:

    Assault
    Kidnapping
    Battery
    Breaking and entering

  11. Sharkly says:

    Meanwhile in New York:
    “Please join us for a public hex on Brett Kavanaugh, upon all rapists and the patriarchy at large which emboldens, rewards and protects them,” reads the description for the event, “Ritual to Hex Brett Kavanaugh.”

    “We are embracing witchcraft’s true roots as the magik of the poor, the downtrodden and disenfranchised and it’s history as often the only weapon, the only means of exacting justice available to those of us who have been wronged by men just like him,” reads the description.

    “He will be the focal point, but by no means the only target, so bring your rage and all of the axes you’ve got to grind,” states Catland.

  12. Lexet Blog says:

    It’s a shame how many Christians thing that HOLY is a Christian song.

  13. jg1 says:

    It seems women have mixed emotions about reaching income equality with men…

  14. Lexet Blog says:

    All country does is pander to suburban women.

    Hopefully men don’t listen to the song. Quite frankly, men aren’t the audience.

  15. Liz says:

    “Took a drunk girl home
    In the sober light of dawn
    She left you a message sayin’ she can’t remember
    Thinks you threw her on the floor
    LEOs pounding on your door
    Don’t take a drunk girl home”

    [D: Hilarious!]

  16. Heidi says:

    “To its credit, the song gets one thing mostly right, which is the woman at the heart of it. She is an uncomfortable figure, but a real enough one, and Janson does her the rare courtesy of not chastising her for drinking. On the contrary, he makes it the man’s responsibility to behave appropriately….”

    Yup, sounds about right–feminism is about protecting women from our own bad choices. In that way, it certainly does rely on chivalry. It also uniquely recognizes men as moral actors in a way that women are not, since only men must be careful to behave properly lest ill consequences follow.

  17. Hazelshade says:

    “…he implicitly endorses the Drunk Girl’s right to [drink with impunity] without devastating consequences.”

    Lol! Forget fornication–“the Drunk Girl’s right to [drink with impunity] without devastating consequences” is an even more obvious, ridiculous assumption that an inherently risky behavior can actually be a safe one.

  18. Cane Caldo says:

    Country and Western is the musical epicenter of female worship, which is terrible because I like the genre.

    @Novaseeker

    In part yes, but I suspect mainly he’s trying to virtue signal, especially to female country fans (i.e.,not Manhattan feministas writing for The New Yorker), in order to sell songs and tour tickets. In other words, pandering, in a way similar to how we see many evangelical pastors pander.

    It’s not wrong to call it virtue signaling, but Dalrock is right: it’s really just posturing under modern chivalry. He has another song called “I Can Fix a Drink”. It’s a crappy country-rap song about getting drunk.

    Here’s the kicker though, from Wikipedia: “Chris Janson is married to Kelly Lynn. They have four children, two of whom are from Lynn’s previous marriage.” They married in 2010 when Janson was 24 and before he was a star. It looks exactly like Janson is a simply a modern troubadour who likes to perform, party, and posture as the Real Man to get other men’s wives.

    So it’s push-pull game meant to lull women into pleasurable disorientation; like an carnival ride. Call it: Tilt-a-Whore.

  19. Oscar says:

    That’s how she knows the difference between a boy and man

    1. Women who get sloppy drunk are too foolish to know the difference between a boy and a man.

    2. A real man doesn’t want a chick who’s foolish enough to get sloppy drunk, nor does he get sloppy drunk, nor does he frequent places where people get sloppy drunk, so he and she are unlikely to meet in the first place.

    Prov 23:20 Do not mix with winebibbers,
    Or with gluttonous eaters of meat;
    21 For the drunkard and the glutton will come to poverty,
    And drowsiness will clothe a man with rags.

    3. One major difference between a boy and a man is that a man thinks through the consequences of his actions, and behaves accordingly. Boys are impulsive, and too foolish to do so, which is why a boy is supposed to have a father to train him.

    Prov 22:3 The prudent sees danger and hides himself,
    but the simple go on and suffer for it.

    Prov 22:15Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child;
    The rod of correction will drive it far from him.

  20. thedeti says:

    Men should do the exact opposite of what this song instructs.

    Leave the drunk girls there
    Enjoy your drinks and your good times with friends
    If you attend a drunk girl it’ll be your end
    Don’t have to ask why, when or where
    Don’t have to worry bout LEOs here or there
    Leave the drunk girls there

    Guys, let drunk girls pay for Ubers or Lyfts. Let them take cabs. Let them find their own ways home or to wherever they crash after a hard night of partying. Let the playas and the cads take the risks. Stay as far away from drunk girls as you can. Don’t talk to them. Don’t help them. Don’t trust them. Don’t buy them anything. Don’t give them anything. Don’t give them your number. Don’t have anything to do with them.

  21. thedeti says:

    Kelly Lynn, Chris Janson’s wife. Says she’s 29. That’s a hard looking 29.

  22. Cane Caldo says:

    @thedeti

    That is a picture of a different Kelly Lynn.

  23. Lexet Blog says:

    That’s a 35 year old

  24. Liz says:

    Pretty sure that woman has bras older than 29.

  25. thedeti says:

    Cane: Fair enough, but that and women who strongly resemble that are who and what I come up with in searches.

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=kelly+lynn+Chris+janson+wife&FORM=HDRSC2

    I dunno. You be the judge.

  26. Janson also wants men to leave a note with their name and number, so the woman can wake up the next morning and express what he foolishly expects will be her gratitude

    Yeah well, first of all, she is going to wake up and not know or remember where she is, how she got there, who you are, nor whether or not you may have sexually violated her. Putting your name next to the keys on the countertop is going to come in mighty handy when she picks up her cell and calls 911 in “fear for her life” about what may or may not have happened.

    Second, the reason why Janson’s song sounds like fingernails on the chalkboard to most reasonable people is because chivalry within this story/lyric is completely out of place. What makes chivalry resonate with us when included in myths, novels, poems and lyrics is BECAUSE and WHEN chivalry encounters representations of feminine virtue, to be be specific, female:

    beauty
    modesty
    gracefulness
    purity
    civility
    compliance
    delicacy
    reticence
    chastity
    affability
    politeness
    warmth

    Aside from perhaps female vulnerability in Janson’s song, men these days know all too well that NONE OF THESE feminine virtues are going to be found with a passed out, drunken lush of a woman who is hanging on him at night’s end, and then allows him to be the umpteenth man to take her home, or wherever, over so many weekends.

    And yes, it must be said, that even with such “opportunities” for potential sexual congress, thoughts of “sloppy 42nds” do eventually enter even an inebriated man’s cranium, on top of all of a stack of legal risks – potential sexual assault and rape allegations, etc. and this tends to put him off.

    Maybe that’s what Janson’s song is really about. He’s not so much answering a call for chivalry, or trying to win elusive approval and appreciation from The Sisterhood.

    Maybe Janson just came to his senses, smelled the ashtray on her mouth, noticed the vomit on her skirt. Maybe the guy just wants to avoid an unnecessary raging case of herpes?

    Yeah, that makes a hell of a lot more sense than trying to jam chivalry into this one.

  27. Cane Caldo says:

    My bad, that IS Janson’s wife…only she’s 43. Her “kids” from her previous marriage are grown. And she’s Janson’s manager. So, Janson has the perfect storm of woman worship: He’s sleeping with another man’s party-girl wife, who is also basically his mother.

  28. Anonymous Reader says:

    Novaseeker
    If women want to get blind drunk, they need to take care of themselves somehow in that situation, just like men do.

    But they don’t want to get blind drunk, it just…happened. When girls are drunk, someone must do something! Otherwise drunk girls might become afraid!

  29. Nick Mgtow says:

    Dear Dalrock, dear comments community, guys:

    That’s not to say they’ve given up their right to say no—it is only to say that it’s much harder to do in a world in which anything goes. Men assume women want sex just as much as they do. After all, that’s what women say they want—and the way they dress and act suggests as much. Some women are now even the sexual aggressors!

    Men don’t realize it’s all been a sham: that women don’t, in fact, want sex in the same way men do but will occasionally give in “because it’s easier than saying no.” In other words, men took women at their word. And both parties got burned.

    Therein lies the rub. Back in the day, women didn’t need to explain why they didn’t want to have sex. They didn’t need to explain their “No”—they just said it and that was that.

    https://www.suzannevenker.com/metoo/why-we-didnt-need-consent-back-in-the-day/

  30. Dalrock says:

    @constrainedlocus

    the reason why Janson’s song sounds like fingernails on the chalkboard to most reasonable people is because chivalry within this story/lyric is completely out of place. What makes chivalry resonate with us when included in myths, novels, poems and lyrics is BECAUSE and WHEN chivalry encounters representations of feminine virtue, to be be specific, female:

    beauty
    modesty
    gracefulness
    purity
    civility
    compliance
    delicacy
    reticence
    chastity
    affability
    politeness
    warmth

    I disagree. Chivalry is about looking past a woman’s terrible behavior while letting her make you a better man by trying to win her favor. See the prototype, Lancelot and Guinevere in Lancelot and the Cart. Lancelot fights to defend Guinevere’s honor after she is accused of committing adultery (she is married to Arthur). But Lancelot knows she is an adulteress, because he is the one she is banging on the side! Scratch chastity and honesty off the list. Likewise look at how bitchy Guinevere is when Lancelot shows up to rescue her, because she knows he briefly hesitated to humiliate himself when coming to save her (which is why the cart is significant enough to make it into the title).

    Her “virtue” is not virtue in any meaningful sense. It is that she is a hot noblewoman married to the king, who likes to cuck her husband with studly knights. Compared to Guinevere your average sloppy drunk bar skank looks downright virtuous!

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  32. Darwinian Arminian says:

    @thedeti
    Country/western singer says “Men, don’t rape drunk girls. Don’t have sex with drunk girls.”

    Feminists shriek “Aaaaarrrrrggh! I can’t BELIEVE this singer is telling men not to rape drunk girls! I can’t believe we have to teach you not to rape drunk girls! I can’t believe this is a song about not raping drunk girls!”

    Now, now, just consider the whole thing from her perspective: A queen has the divine right to demand that her peasants do her homage by paying for her mistakes, and by generously offering to take her home and care for her out of the goodness of his heart this man has just robbed her of that! A bitchy rebuke of all men in response is simply a matter of the lady taking back what was always hers to begin with.

  33. feeriker says:

    Chris Janson is a moron. I sincerely hope that he’s idiot enough to attempt in real life what he urges other men to do in his song. If he’s already done so and isn’t currently facing rape and/or felony kidnapping charges, it’s only because God recognizes a moron when He sees one and is gracious enough ifor NOWto defer Janson’s suffering the natural consequences of his idiocy. That won’t continue forever. Stand by for Janson, along with any man stupid enough to take his song seriously, to get a painful red pill suppository.

  34. feeriker says:

    Guys, let drunk girls pay for Ubers or Lyfts. Let them take cabs. Let them find their own ways home or to wherever they crash after a hard night of partying. Let the playas and the cads take the risks. Stay as far away from drunk girls as you can. Don’t talk to them. Don’t help them. Don’t trust them. Don’t buy them anything. Don’t give them anything. Don’t give them your number. Don’t have anything to do with them.

    One of the many reasons I stopped hanging out in bars years ago is because of loudmouthed, obnoxious drunken WOMEN. Seriously, women CANNOT consume alcohol responsibly in public (at least no woman under the age 75). There is nothing more off-putting and annoying than some trashed slattern ruining a peaceful evening out with screetchy drama, spouting loud obscenities (even after 20 years in the U.S. Navy my mouth at its worst isn’t as vile as those of today’s drunken Ameriskank), and harrassment of men trying to MTOB and enjoy a quiet drink in peace. I’m seriously in favor of a law banning alcohol consumption in public by any woman under the age of 70.

  35. Burner Prime says:

    will respond that this only shows that we need even more chivalry, with even higher risks to well meaning men

    I have observed this trend as well, and it is pushed by women to further weed out the creepers. More sh*t testing, more Lucy yanking away the football. An example is the acute risk of #MeToo accusations in the workplace. Yet women continue to goad the ‘clueless’ into doubling down on stupid by embracing #MentorHer, and men are falling for it.

    and a jury of chivalrous men and feminist women will be eager to convict any man

    This and the above support my assertion that all issues boil down to the overabundance of reproductive aged males to females. There will always be a surplus of men willing to try harder and harder to please the whamens, thinking it will bring favor and access to the poon. At the same time, white knight cops and judges will persecute men who fail to toe the line. They also are trying to curry favor, eliminate competition (jailing, killing income) to improve their odds of access to the vaj.

  36. Damn Crackers says:

    There is more dignity in a brothel than in the lyrics in this song.

    BTW, here is what goes as fatherly advice. “Don’t tell your wife she’s sensitive!”

    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/seemingly-harmless-phrase-husbands-stop-225233383.html

  37. thedeti says:

    DamnCrackers;

    Here are some things wives need to stop saying.

    “All you care about is sex”

    “You don’t care about me”

    “when are you gonna do [insert distasteful chore here]”

    “No”

  38. Burner Prime says:

    supporters of chivalry will respond that this only shows that we need even more chivalry…

    For a perfect example of this read some recent Zman. He believes the solution to feminism is to double down on behaviors such as opening doors and by physically shielding and protecting our precious delicate flowers (Don’t forget to shine your armor gents). Only those chivalrous actions will melt the hardened hearts of bitter feminists, because as he concludes, that is the very reason for their misbehavior.

  39. Not Born This Morning says:

    “What makes chivalry resonate with us when included in myths, novels, poems and lyrics is BECAUSE and WHEN chivalry encounters representations of feminine virtue, to be be specific, female”

    Still looking for the unicorn?

  40. gdgm+ says:

    Not exactly on the OP, but perhaps related:

    https://lithub.com/mia-the-liberal-men-we-love/

  41. Scott says:

    I’ve has some pretty awkward moments in my life but talk about setting yourself up for failure.

    How about song called “don’t go to places where you are likely to encounter shit faced drunk women?”

  42. Trust says:

    Remember, they are also trying to bait men into doing something they can complain about.

    They’d love to have eyewitnesses saying “she was so drunk she couldn’t walk, so he put her in his car and left with her!!!!!” He says “I took her home, put her to bed, and left.” Like anyone would believe that. Then he has to *prove* nothing happened, a Sisyphean task if there ever was one.

    Also like the women in the workplace that expose wayyyyy too much skin and cleavage, and accuse (low status) men of looking. Enter HR’s no tolerance policy.

  43. Scott says:

    In all seriousness the song is just a big fat virtue signal

    Other examples include “Man to Man” (Gary Allen) and “she let herself go” (George Strait).

    And countless others.

    Yawn

  44. thedeti says:

    gdgm

    What these liberal men are finally seeing is that the feminism they subscribe to has become a hate group, openly hostile to men, ALL men. They’re finally waking up to the fact that the feminism they knew and loved does not and has never had their interests in mind. They are realizing their women with “their labia hats and clitoris signs” identify as women first and their wives, girlfriends and partners second.

    That’s what’s going on here with “Liberal” men, most of whom claimed to be liberal so they could get sex.

  45. imnobody00 says:

    @Dalrock.

    You are right but please take into account that we are not talking about the medieval version of chivalry. We are talking about the Victorian version of chivalry, which was mixed with a value system coming from Christianity. This is like mixing water and oil, it works for a while but this is why we are today in such a mess.

    Gentlemen were taught to be chivalrous for women that were ladies (that is, virtuous). This is the version of chivalry that has come to us, whatever its historical origins.

  46. Chivalry is about looking past a woman’s terrible behavior while letting her make you a better man by trying to win her favor.

    Dalrock, doesn’t the belief in chivalry as you’ve outlined it here require chivalrous men to believe in something like toxic masculinity?

  47. Scott says:

    Somewhere in the recent past, not worshipping women and agreeing to everything they say, do, believe, describe, posit became “hating” them.

    Most blue pill guy friends I have, no matter how I treat my own wife and daughters think I am a misogynist.

    Meh

  48. Anonymous Reader says:

    Scott
    How about song called “don’t go to places where you are likely to encounter shit faced drunk women?”

    Works for me but might not fly well in the modrun C&W market.

    Somewhere in the recent past, not worshipping women and agreeing to everything they say, do, believe, describe, posit became “hating” them.

    I think it was right about the same time that actually visibly, audibly, irrationally hating men and everything about them became “being liberated”. “The personal is political” and all that stuff.

    If we have to go through a rerun of all that, we should at least get better music out of the deal.

  49. Lost Patrol says:

    Dalrock, doesn’t the belief in chivalry as you’ve outlined it here require chivalrous men to believe in something like toxic masculinity?

    I’m not Dalrock but yes.

    CC noted that Country and Western is the musical epicenter of female worship. It’s actually Country. And Western. That are at the epicenter of female worship, independent of musical notes.

    This is Chad. No really, that’s his name. View him as an archetype. If you have ever lived in flyover lands you know him. More precisely you know a less articulate version of him. And these are great men to have as friends too. But chivalrous white knight blue pill would be an understatement.

  50. Dalrock says:

    @imnobody00

    You are right but please take into account that we are not talking about the medieval version of chivalry. We are talking about the Victorian version of chivalry, which was mixed with a value system coming from Christianity. This is like mixing water and oil, it works for a while but this is why we are today in such a mess.

    Courtly love (what we call chivalry today) always claimed to be Christian, even though it was created as a parody of Christianity. As Mallory wrote in Mort DArthur:

    Ah Launcelot, he said, thou were head of all Christian knights

    This was in 1485, but it is the same chivalry we know today.

    Gentlemen were taught to be chivalrous for women that were ladies (that is, virtuous). This is the version of chivalry that has come to us, whatever its historical origins.

    Yes, Guenevere was a lady. No, she was not virtuous. Show me the version of Lancelot which has her chaste, Victorian or otherwise. It may exist, but if so it is a literary backwater. In the tale we all know, Lancelot and Guenevere are lovers. Lancelot’s adulterous affair with Guenevere is to this day what makes Lancelot the head of all Christian knights.

  51. Take the idea that women “civilize” men. Why do men need to be civilized unless their basic nature is unruly?

    This is different from original sin. It’s not saying that mankind as a whole is driven to sin, it’s saying that there is something inherently wrong with men that they need to be civilized.

  52. Anonymous Reader says:

    From the article gdgm pointed to:

    If a man has somehow wrongly internalized that to be a feminist is to be hateful towards an entire group of people, angry for the sake of anger, condescending, inefficient, than perhaps no woman he has chosen or been tasked to love can shake him of his mental butler.

    Well, ok, but what if it is true? Just for the sake of argument: what if feminism in fact is in fact hateful towards an entire group of people called “men”? What should a man do then; hunker down and endure the perpetual anger, rage, condescending contempt…or leave? Which option is easier on his mental and physical well being?

    It’s an article that nicely illustrates female solipsism and projection. Everything is “all about me”, but “nothing is ever my fault, it’s someone else’s fault”.

  53. Opus says:

    When I was younger and it was almost impossible to persuade a female with whom one was on a date to drink more than one glass of dry-white-wine the saying went that for a woman alcohol was knicker [panty] elastic loosener: viz: an enebriated female was up for it and only an idiot would fail to read the signs and act accordingly. I thus recall well the occasion when I was lectured by a female I had taken to the pub and who had asked for a pint of beer (perhaps my face registered surprise) that there was no reason why women should be prevented from drinking or criticised for drinking what a man drinks and in the same quantity – obviously, I formed the view that Xmas had come early even as something in me was (and remains) uneasy at the idea of women behaving like a man. If a man comes to harm as a result of his drinking no one cares but as we learn from the rather trite song men are expected now to act like chaperoning eunuchs. Playing Piano even an illuminated white Piano in the middle of the road is so stupid that for me it rather nullifies the song’s intended message.

  54. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Novaseeker: doing what he proposes is extremely foolish — it’s way too risky from the perspective of not being given the benefit of the doubt at all (a man who is alone with a drunk woman will never be given the benefit of the doubt)

    You are describing the Battle of the White Knights. A White Knight tries to rescue a woman from her drunken state. Then another White Knight spots it, and tries to rescue the woman from the first White Knight. It’s kind of like “cock blocking,” but without any sexual payoff.

    White Knights are so desperate to Man Up and rescue women, they beginning casting each other as Black Knights in their psychodramas.

    A woman says, “Lets see you and him fight,” and the White Knights pile upon each other, in a bid to win the favor of their Lady Fair.

  55. Jeff Strand says:

    @Scott: “Most blue pill guy friends I have, no matter how I treat my own wife and daughters think I am a misogynist.”

    Yep, most people think my wife and I are “extremists” (I have fully red-piled her at this point). When my wife mentions how she submits to her husband’s leadership and how her personal motto is “husband knows best”, the looks that generates from other women are priceless. Ditto when either of us mentions that our priority for our daughters is raising them to be good wives and mothers, as opposed to a focus on education and career.

    I think we rather enjoy being extremists, lol. And I think most guys I know who pretend to be shocked at my marital dynamics are secretly just very jealous – the feminist-influenced shrews they are married to don’t come off so well in comparison.

  56. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    In that video, at about the 1’33” mark, there’s a quick scene of a man wearing a classic “wife beater shirt” confronting the woman.

    He is angry. He towers over her. Plus he’s got that “wife beater shirt.” Enough to conclude that the man is evil and the wife is an abused victim.

  57. feministhater says:

    I couldn’t care. Leave drunk where you find it. Do not touch. Do not stick around. Walk away.

    I saw many a drunk whore when I was younger and would stupidly try and go clubbing. I really had no interest but was dragged along by friends. Those same women you would see in college pretending to be studious were drunk and horny by Friday night.

    They all have many #metoo moments and even then I knew it was best to leave them the fuck alone. I am not their protector. I don’t care if they were raped, I don’t care if they were sexually assaulted in the back of a car or gang raped by several men behind the dumpster. They are not my responsibility and do not listen to rational advice.

    …he implicitly endorses the Drunk Girl’s right to [drink with impunity] without devastating consequences.

    No person has any right to go through life avoiding the consequences of bad decisions. You drink till you are a drunk whore and you are responsible. Fuck em. Not literally though, leave that to the idiots.

  58. Anonymous Reader says:

    The article at lithub that gdgm pointed to is dated Feb. 2018. Yet the comments are all from today. Either this article slumbered peacefully for months, or lithub’s dating is way off. Either way the comments are remarkably red-pilled.

  59. JR says:

    So if a drunk woman gets into the driver’s seat of her car and puts the keys in the ignition…it’s the car’s fault?

  60. OKRickety says:

    Cane Caldo said: “My bad, that IS Janson’s wife…only she’s 43.”

    It’s a little hard to get accurate information, but I think Chris Janson is now 32 (and looks maybe 22) and his wife Kelly Lynn is 47. I think they married when he was 24 and she 39.

  61. Lost Patrol,

    Sorry for derailing the thread. It’s an idea that just came to me.

    I ask again: how can conservatives like Dennis Prager defend masculinity as something positive if they also believe that men qua men are inherently uncivilized?

    The only difference that I can tell is that conservatives use a different word than the feminists.

  62. Frank K says:

    Most blue pill guy friends I have, no matter how I treat my own wife and daughters think I am a misogynist.

    Time to replace those “friends”.

    As for coming to a drunken slut’s rescue, I don’t go to bars or clubs, so it won’t be me saving them from having sex with men they find attractive.

  63. Joe says:

    Jeff Strand says:
    October 12, 2018 at 1:38 pm
    @Scott: “Most blue pill guy friends I have, no matter how I treat my own wife and daughters think I am a misogynist.”

    Yep, most people think my wife and I are “extremists” (I have fully red-piled her at this point). When my wife mentions how she submits to her husband’s leadership and how her personal motto is “husband knows best”, the looks that generates from other women are priceless.
    *********************************************

    When we got married (30 years ago) my wife specifically left in her vows “to love, honor and OBEY”.
    She told me “that’ll piss of my female relatives. I Can just see their faces during the ceremony”.

    I just considered that another confirmation that I was marrying a winner!

  64. Trust says:

    When no matter what you do they sait it is wrong, when no matter what the problem they pitch the same solution…
    then you know the goal is not to make things right but to make you wrong, and the goal is not to solve a problem but implement the solution.

  65. thedeti says:

    Lost Patrol

    And “Chad” is totally and completely serious.

    Totally cringeworthy. Thing is, this was de rigueur training for boys in the Midwest circa late 1970s-late 1980s.

  66. Burner Prime says:

    For a YouTube synopsis of “Lancelot and the Cart” by a person of indeterminate gender and possibly sporting a mustache:

    Another version spoken by Millennials speaking with vocal fry and drawn on a white board. The drawings always show Lancelot with a big dick sword.

  67. Anonymous Reader says:

    Retired history prof has emotional meltdown, Jeff Bezo’s blog prints it as a serious essay. Ties in with the lithub article mentioned up thread:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/10/12/thanks-not-raping-us-all-you-good-men-its-not-enough/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.56e16766ef41

    A flood of rage is rushing through women’s brains. Why can’t men organize to change themselves?

    Well, hmm, funny you should ask that, Ms. Tenured Boomer…

    I yelled at my husband last night. Not pick-up-your-socks yell. Not how-could-you-ignore-that-red-light yell. This was real yelling. This was 30 minutes of from-the-gut yelling. Triggered by a small, thoughtless, dismissive, annoyed, patronizing comment. Really small. A micro-wave that triggered a hurricane. I blew. Hard and fast. And it terrified me. I’m still terrified by what I felt and what I said. I am almost 70 years old. I am a grandmother. Yet in that roiling moment, screaming at my husband as if he represented every clueless male on the planet (and I every angry woman of 2018), I announced that I hate all men and wish all men were dead.

    I wonder what blood pressure medications that man takes? How many years has he been on them?

    The retired (but not retiring) history prof concludes her hysteria with this:

    Pay attention people: If we do not raise boys to walk humbly and care deeply, if we do not demand that men do more than just listen, we will all drown in the flood. And there is no patriarchal Noah to save us.

    It’s 1970’s rage-a-holic feminism all over again? Where’s the disco ball and black light?

  68. Jeff Strand says:

    @Joe: “When we got married (30 years ago) my wife specifically left in her vows “to love, honor and OBEY”. She told me “that’ll piss of my female relatives. I Can just see their faces during the ceremony”. I just considered that another confirmation that I was marrying a winner!”

    Ha, ha…love it! You got you a keeper!

  69. Pathfinderlight says:

    Feminists have been working hard to undermine the social contracts that built American culture. First they went after the vote by claiming virtue. Then they went after marriage using irreconcileable differences. Then they went after the preborn using abortion. Then they went after men themselves using false rape epidemics.

    Since women view divorce, preborn murder, and false rape allegations as virtue, it’s time to face the fact that women voting is immoral.

  70. Jeff Strand says:

    @AR: “Retired history prof has emotional meltdown, Jeff Bezo’s blog prints it as a serious essay.”

    What’s most striking about that shrieking harpy’s essay is her complete cluelessness to her “pussy pass”.

    Think about it. What if the roles were reversed? Imagine this scenario: a male college professor writes a public article, wherein he admits that certain current events made him so furious at women as a class, that he erupts in fury and rage at his poor wife (who had nothing to do with those current events and is just an innocent bystander). He admits that his fury was all-encompassing, explosive, and frightening. He admits that he screamed at his wife without restraint for a good half hour – to the point it shocked even him – while making her responsible for all his imagined shortcomings of women as a class.

    Do you need much imagination to figure out what would happen next? The calls to the faculty administrators to fire him? The social media campaign that would be brewed up against him, probably labeled #ThisIsWhatMisogynyLooksLike? The calls for the police to get involved, out of feigned concern for the “safety” of his wife? The crying of his female college students, that they no longer feel “safe” in his classroom? His being labeled a “woman hater”?

    In short, his life and career would certainly be wrecked. And it’s very possible he would have criminal/legal problems as well (all it would take is for his wife to say she’s “in fear” – that, plus his own admissions in the essay, would suffice to get him arrested, at the very least).

    But Ms. Tenured Boomer Professor doesn’t have to worry about any of that, does she? After all, she has the “pussy pass”. And we all know it. There shall be zero consequences for her.

    The hypocrisy is breath-taking.

  71. Lost Patrol says:

    @ thedeti

    Totally cringeworthy. Thing is, this was de rigueur training for boys in the Midwest circa late 1970s-late 1980s.

    100%.

    @ AR

    If we do not raise boys to walk humbly and care deeply, if we do not demand that men do more than just listen, we will all drown in the flood.

    No we won’t.

    After reading Ms tenured boomer I am unable to resist trotting this out again. I wish I could make memes with thought balloons. Female “flood of rage”, “why can’t men change themselves”. The male appears bemused, maybe a little annoyed but just a little for now. Whatever happens next will be decided by him.

  72. thedeti says:

    From the WaPo article by the retired history prof:

    I said the meanest thing I’ve ever said to him: Don’t you dare sit there and sympathetically promise to change. Don’t say you will stop yourself before you blurt out some impatient, annoyed, controlling remark. No, I said, you can’t change. You are unable to change. You don’t have the skills and you won’t do it. You, I said, are one of the good men. You respect women, you believe in women, you like women, you don’t hit women or rape women or in any way abuse women. You have applauded and funded feminism for a half-century. You are one of the good men. And you cannot change. You can listen all you want, but that will not create one iota of change.

    There was a time when I would have sat there and taken that verbal abuse. Like she describes her husband, “hunched and hurt”, while she harangues him for 30 solid minutes. In fact I have listened to things like this while Mrs. deti went off on an emotionally uncontrolled, unstable, fly off the handle, verbally and mentally abusive, total meltdown.

    No more.

    I will not sit there and listen to any woman verbally abuse me like this. Especially not Mrs. deti.

    Men, if your wives or GFs start doing this, you get up, and you walk away. If she chases you, you do not let her speak and you just say “I’m not going to take your abuse. You want to speak, you will do it respectfully and in a controlled way. When you can do that, then we’ll talk.”

    I’m just not going to take that crap anymore. Not one ounce of it.

  73. thedeti says:

    Format fail. Let’s try again:

    From the WaPo article by the retired history prof:

    I said the meanest thing I’ve ever said to him:

    “Don’t you dare sit there and sympathetically promise to change. Don’t say you will stop yourself before you blurt out some impatient, annoyed, controlling remark. No, I said, you can’t change. You are unable to change. You don’t have the skills and you won’t do it. You, I said, are one of the good men. You respect women, you believe in women, you like women, you don’t hit women or rape women or in any way abuse women. You have applauded and funded feminism for a half-century. You are one of the good men. And you cannot change. You can listen all you want, but that will not create one iota of change.”

    There was a time when I would have sat there and taken that verbal abuse. Like she describes her husband, “hunched and hurt”, while she harangues him for 30 solid minutes. In fact I have listened to things like this while Mrs. deti went off on an emotionally uncontrolled, unstable, fly off the handle, verbally and mentally abusive, total meltdown.

    No more.

    I will not sit there and listen to any woman verbally abuse me like this. Especially not Mrs. deti.

    Men, if your wives or GFs start doing this, you get up, and you walk away. If she chases you, you do not let her speak and you just say “I’m not going to take your abuse. You want to speak, you will do it respectfully and in a controlled way. When you can do that, then we’ll talk.”

    I’m just not going to take that crap anymore. Not one ounce of it.

  74. thedeti says:

    She also told her husband in her fit of pique that she hates all men and wishes all men were dead.

  75. earl says:

    Country/western singer says “Men, don’t rape drunk girls. Don’t have sex with drunk girls.”

    Feminists shriek “Aaaaarrrrrggh! I can’t BELIEVE this singer is telling men not to rape drunk girls! I can’t believe we have to teach you not to rape drunk girls! I can’t believe this is a song about not raping drunk girls!”

    Once again…it’s not about the fact that hawt men have sex with drunk girls or are white knights to drunk m’lady that makes feminists go nuts…it’s the fact men are using their authority in a situation with a woman that makes feminists go nuts. They keep thinking they control every single situation and their envy comes out when it doesn’t.

  76. earl says:

    One of the many reasons I stopped hanging out in bars years ago is because of loudmouthed, obnoxious drunken WOMEN.

    Seconded.

    Between my job in college as dorm security where I got a front row seat to the stupidity of drunk women (who always seemed to have a guy with them…didn’t seem like a rape scenerio there), to the few times I was out at bars witnessing how the lowered inhibitions brought out the worst in them, to even when I wasn’t at a bar but had a drunk girl walk up to me as I was going to work hoping I’d give her some cab fare…even in my more ‘blue pill’ days when it came to drunk women…I kept the white knight at home.

    This idea that men either take advantage or take responsibility for a drunk girl they don’t know does more to make a man’s life hell. Unless this woman is my wife…she can have her father rescue her from her self created mess.

  77. Novaseeker says:

    Men, if your wives or GFs start doing this, you get up, and you walk away. If she chases you, you do not let her speak and you just say “I’m not going to take your abuse. You want to speak, you will do it respectfully and in a controlled way. When you can do that, then we’ll talk.”

    Exactly right. Get out of there. Don’t participate in her tantrums. The thing they hate the most is to be ignored, so that’s what you give them when they behave like that.

    Keep in mind also, this gem is 69. Well past menopause, hormone levels not what they were when younger. But the behavior is still ingrained, the entitlement to throw a tantrum, the entitlement to belittle and abuse verbally without limit, the entitlement to be listened to while meting out what is in effect extreme mental violence through words. It’s deep seated behavior, gentlemen. Deep seated.

  78. earl says:

    After reading Ms tenured boomer I am unable to resist trotting this out again. I wish I could make memes with thought balloons. Female “flood of rage”, “why can’t men change themselves”. The male appears bemused, maybe a little annoyed but just a little for now. Whatever happens next will be decided by him.

    If men did actually change to what these feminists want…it would create the greatest of panic in them. Currently there is still enough men who would either take advantage or white knight responsibility for these broads and hence they can still scream like the lioness to some hypothetical lion.

    MGTOW is essentially men saying they don’t want to be responsible for women as a whole anymore (wives and daughters and perhaps own kin on the other hand would still get this based on God given responsibility or blood). Feminist would get their dream about not having some ‘oppression’ in the form of male authority over them…however in their short sighted thinking they also wouldn’t get the benefits either. And considering how ungrateful they are…it would fall on deaf ears the minute they realize it’s too late for them.

  79. Oscar says:

    I blew. Hard and fast.

    If she’d actually done that, everything would’ve been just fine.

  80. earl says:

    @deti…

    As soon as men realize the value God gave them in their role as the head instead of worrying about her emotional reactions…things will turn around. It doesn’t matter if she’s appreciative or envious of it…her reaction doesn’t take away what God has given us.

  81. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    FSG (@FSpeedGaming): how can conservatives like Dennis Prager defend masculinity as something positive if they also believe that men qua men are inherently uncivilized?

    Just today, the twice-divorced Prager was defending divorce. He said it was unconscionable to force two people, who hate each other, to continue to live together.

    He didn’t mention his own divorces, or say why he left two wives. (I think he initiated both divorces, but I’m not sure.)

  82. Joe2 says:

    Took a drunk girl home
    In the sober light of dawn
    She left you a message she thanked you on the phone
    Cause you picked up her life she threw on the floor
    You left the hall lights on walked out and locked the door
    That’s how she knows the difference between a boy and man
    Take a drunk girl home

    The scenario portrayed in this song is a pure fantasy of male chivalry. Like many C & W songs the lyrics are not to be taken seriously, not representative of real life and not to be acted on. Sure when girls are in college they go to parties or on spring break and get drunk. But once they are out of that environment, they are not going out to bars or clubs by themselves. They go with their with their girlfriends and they don’t need a boy / man to take them home. It’s extremely rare for a woman to go to a bar or club by herself unless she is a hooker, but then she has a pimp.

  83. Spike says:

    Wow. Men can’t do anything right when it comes to women, can they?
    Dontcha know, Dal, that he’s only being chivalrous so that he she can be indebted to him , so he can get in her pants later when she’s sober?

    Mr Jansen should stick to writing about shootin’ fishin’ and pick up trucks. Leave songs about women to the rappers, whose favorite descriptions of them are ”bitches”, Baby Mommas” and ”ho’s’. rap sells and is very popular, and women don’t seem to com[plain about it, so they must like their descriptions, no?

  84. earl says:

    Prager tells men to man up on one hand and then encourages emasculation on the other. He’s one of many examples of tradCONS.

  85. Fyooz says:

    “Schulz is pretending that the only two choices men have are between taking drunk girls home to have sex with them, and taking drunk girls home to protect them.”
    Something a wise man said about feminism depending on the assertion that everything bad that ever happens to a woman is a man’s fault, and that they rely on men to fix them.”

  86. Jack Russell says:

    Why would you want to take a drunk girl home? If you don’t know where she lives and she passes out in your car before she gives you an address, then what. She may also urinate on your car seat and vomit if she consumed a large amount of alcohol. Not to mention all the other reasons other commentators left here.

  87. feeriker says:

    It’s a little hard to get accurate information, but I think Chris Janson is now 32 (and looks maybe 22) and his wife Kelly Lynn is 47. I think they married when he was 24 and she 39.

    Janson is an even bigger moron than I thought. This guy is on the path to a universe of hurt in the near future. Even when his music career tanks, he’ll still be able to serve as an example to blue-pill basket cases of what’s in store for them if they don’t wake up and pull their heads out of their asses.

  88. Anon says:

    Most blue pill guy friends I have, no matter how I treat my own wife and daughters think I am a misogynist.

    It is high time to reduce all interaction with such people to almost zero.

  89. earl says:

    Most blue pill guy friends I have, no matter how I treat my own wife and daughters think I am a misogynist.

    It seems the male sex is the bigger useful idiot when it comes to supporting feminism and emasculating their fellow man.

  90. Hugh Mann says:

    Dalrock – Lancelot is NOT the head of all Christian knights!

    And so to Launcelot she said: “Sir Knight, thou hast ever been the best knight of all the world; but now Galahad has come, to whom thou must yield precedence.” Then Launcelot answered humbly: “I know right well I was never the best.” “Ay, of a truth thou wast and art still, of sinful men,” said she, and rode away before any could question her further.

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  92. Futureman says:

    Things are getting out of hand with women…i got a dog and couldn’t be happier. It’s hard to win a rigged game. As they say, ‘play stupid games and win stupid prizes.’ Going mgtow for a while.

  93. Dalrock says:

    You are right Hugh. Thanks for the correction.

  94. Toad says:

    Let her sleep all alone
    Leave her in a shopping cart on the porch of her parents home

  95. imnobody00 says:

    @Dalrock

    I think we are talking past each other. I don’t think there is any story of Lancelot and Guinevere that is not adulterous (that is, courtly love), even in the Victorian era. I also think that all these stories where sold as “Christian” but they are not so.

    I was not talking about a piece of literature but about the traditional behavior that was named as “chivalry”, that is, men should be gentlemen while women should be ladies (that is, not skanky). I am only talking about this is what traditionally has been understood as “chivalry” (“traditionally” stands for “during the past centuries but not as far away as the medieval era”).

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