Two terribly unchivalrous ladies.

The standard assumption is that #MeToo is purely a feminist phenomenon.  But while its most visible and vocal proponents are feminst, the bedrock of #MeToo is not feminist, but chivalrous.  It is chivalry that teaches us that women are more virtuous than men, and that it is noble and ennobling for a man to suffer due to the capriciousness of a woman.  Despite ostensibly being on opposing sides, neither feminists nor chivalrists care much whether Dr. Blasey Ford is telling the truth in her accusations against Judge Kavanaugh.  Both are primed to believe her as a matter of course, but even if she is lying it is still better if we take her at her word.  Whether they call it victim blaming or unchivalrous, both agree that it would be monstrous to presume a man accused by a woman is innocent until proven guilty.

Interestingly it has been a few mothers of sons who have been willing to break the feminist/chivalrous spell and speak the unspeakable.  Megan Fox dealt chivalry a grievous blow in her post How to ‘Christine Blasey Ford-Proof’ Your Son (HT Instapundit):

4. Don’t trust women

Sorry to say it, but my sex offends and horrifies me. Between Stormy Daniels and Ford, women are a disgrace. Contrary to the saccharine platitude that “women don’t lie,” women lie all the time. They lie like crazy. The younger they are, the more they lie and scheme. It’s probably the rage of hormones and insecurity that contribute to it, but most women lie and scheme. Teach your sons to search out morally upstanding girls and to avoid drama queens.

Likewise, Sarah Hoyt indicts the chivalrous mindset in When Every Boy Is Guilty, Every Girl Becomes a Monster (HT Instapundit):

All [the girls] know is that he’s doing socially unapproved things and that this is doubleplus ungood. In the way of middle school girls, they want to enforce conformity. And everyone knows if you accuse someone of sexually harassing you, that gets them removed, and people treat you as a victim and are nice to you.

I can’t begin to express my horror and disgust at this. I have no words, just a profound depression.

This is not just wrong. This is evil. Straight up evil.

See Hoyt’s full post for the gory details of how the chivalrous view of young girls harmed her own sons as well as another innocent boy in the same town.  As she points out, our assumptions about the innate goodness of girls is not only unfounded, it is evil.

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104 Responses to Two terribly unchivalrous ladies.

  1. steve heller says:

    Even avoiding drama queens won’t insulate you from false claims.
    If I were a young man, I would emigrate to a less misandrist country.

  2. earl says:

    As she points out, our assumptions about the innate goodness of girls is not only unfounded, it is evil.

    ‘The only thing worse than sin, is the denial of sin.’ -Bishop Fulton Sheen

    It’s high time women get a reminding they are just as capable of sinning (which includes sexual sins, lying and bearing false witness) as men are.

  3. Oscar says:

    Apparently, we need to go back to arranged marriages, because at this point, being alone with a woman is about as safe for a young man as playing Russian roulette with three bullets in the cylinder.

  4. Sharkly says:

    Contrary to the saccharine platitude that “women don’t lie,” women lie all the time. They lie like crazy. The younger they are, the more they lie and scheme.

    But, the longer they defraud their husbands, the more God gives them over to a depraved mind. So, the bad older ones grow crazier as they age. To the point where they don’t live in reality and couldn’t tell you the truth even if they wanted to, because they can’t even truly see the truth that is right before their eyes. The young lying floozy becomes a crazy old delusional broad.

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  6. These ardent #metoo and #timesup feminists are consistently arriving at the obvious conclusion and consequence far too late to do anything to affect it, let alone prevent it anymore.
    It’s just way too late.
    Women don’t trust men anymore, largely based on lies, exaggerated statistics, feelings of inadequacy and an aversion for the truth.

    And now men, wholesale, have every reason not to believe or trust anything a woman EVER says. Even your own wife can now bring you before a judge.

    This is just more evidence of the feminine’s inability to step outside of their righteous indignation for just 20 seconds, and take a moment to process basic, human common sense, cause-and-effect and what happens when authority and power is not commensurate with accountability and responsibility.

    They were all outraged, venting, screaming and high-fiving their sisters last week at the Kavanaugh hearings, and only now start to register in their little brains all that can potentially and easily happen one day to their own sons and grandsons.

    Female solipsism at its finest.

  7. earl says:

    And now men, wholesale, have every reason not to believe or trust anything a woman EVER says. Even your own wife can now bring you before a judge.

    Or an older woman can sexually assault a teenager and then claim she’s the victim…the resorting to the victim when they are the instigators is really the central focus of their lies.

  8. You know, it just occurred to me. Who really cares?
    Since Christian men lack the balls to change any of this, it will ultimately be the Muslims who will take all of their rights away once and for all.
    Any remaining Christian eunuchs will be culled off. Heads covered in gunny sacks, bullets lodged in our brains, bleeding out as they gently float down the current of the nearest river, ISIS-style.

  9. @earl

    Or an older woman can sexually assault a teenager and then claim she’s the victim…the resorting to the victim when they are the instigators is really the central focus of their lies.

    Very true. And should she become pregnant, then it must be of great comfort and relief for her to learn that once her victim reaches the age of 18 she can easily bring him before a local magistrate and legally force him to pay child support $ for the next two decades.

  10. Heidi says:

    It is monstrous to ascribe virtue to members of a lying, sinful, rebellious species because of their demographic characteristics (ie, brown people are more virtuous than peach-colored people; women are more virtuous than men). It institutionalizes injustice and bloodshed in a way that is reminiscent of Israel in the Old Testament before Really Bad Things happened to it.

    Women (myself included) are very invested in presenting themselves to everyone–and especially to themselves–as good. But this means that if we lie, it is good–perhaps not even a lie, if we can persuade ourselves to believe our stories. (We’re good at that.) By so doing, we place ourselves where God ought to be–the moral standard by which all else to be judged, and the judge, to boot.

  11. earl says:

    Really it’s just an extension of relative morality. The fact that good and evil can be determined by what skin suit you wear or reproductive organs you possess or which emotion you agree with..instead of whether or not you are following or disobeying God’s commands.

  12. Anonymous Reader says:

    It is typical that the only women who get even a little grasp of what feminism is doing / has done to boys and men are mothers of sons. Because then it is personal. Often that’s the only way women ever really have skin in the game. Brothers, fathers, and especially what’s-his-names? Meh, all those other oppressors can be flogged to death in the public square, castrated and fed to pigs[*], but don’t touch their sons.

    Thaaaaat’s different.

    [*]http://dailycaller.com/2018/10/01/georgetown-professor-white-republicans-castrated/

    PS: TradCons are invited to NAWALT at their convenience about “mah BETTR HALF!” and other pretty stories. It won’t change a thing in the real world, but if it makes you feeeeeeel better….go for it, by all means.

  13. purge187 says:

    “Teach your sons to search out morally upstanding girls and to avoid drama queens.”

    They’re Westerners. Needle in a haystack much?

  14. Novaseeker says:

    It is monstrous to ascribe virtue to members of a lying, sinful, rebellious species because of their demographic characteristics (ie, brown people are more virtuous than peach-colored people; women are more virtuous than men).

    It’s really just applying Marxist analysis to non-economic categories. Classical Marxism (i.e., what Marx/Engels wrote) accused the bourgeois of exploitation of the proletariat, thereby casting the bourgeois as “bad oppressors” and the proletariat as “noble oppressed”. All the current cultural trend is doing is replacing “bourgeois” with “straight white men” and replacing “proletariat” with “everyone else”, and changing the focus from one of economic oppression (classical Marxism) to social oppression (what people call “cultural Marxism”), and you have our current system.

    The approach knows that not every single individual in the “oppressed” category (whether proletariat under the classical Marxist view or “everyone who is not a straight white man” under the cultural Marxist view) is personally a “good person”. That’s not what interests them. What interests them are larger conflicts between groups of people, and taking sides on behalf of the historically “oppressed” groups, while vilifying the historical “oppressor” groups as a means of generating broad social change. The individuals don’t matter so much — they are grains of sand in the larger abstractions of broad social groupings and the desire for sweeping rearrangements of economic and cultural relationships. They really couldn’t care less whether an individual in either group is “good” or “bad” — the interest is in casting an entire group as “bad” because of its historically oppressive role, and using that to disempower that group so that social and economic relations can be recast.

    That’s all that is happening here.

  15. earl says:

    They’re Westerners. Needle in a haystack much?

    Better that men recognize that they are needle in the haystack instead of thinking they are all goddesses of pure virtue who can do no wrong no matter what they do.

  16. Anonymous Reader says:

    That’s all that is happening here.

    It’s a pretty effective way to destroy a country, and even a civilization.

    I need to look up how to write “rule by mean girls” in Latin or Greek so it reads in a classy way.

    PS:
    Putting male humans into a “no-win” box where they are “damned if they do, damned if they don’t,” damned no matter what will in time create men who will regard all laws, all social conventions, etc. as a pile of cruel lies, used by lying liars to torment men. That should work out well…

  17. earl says:

    That should work out well…

    What happens when a large populace of men has nothing to lose?

    Yeah it’ll work out well.

  18. feeriker says:

    Teach your sons to search out morally upstanding girls and to avoid drama queens.

    She might as well be advising boys and young men to seek out the Ark of the Covenant and avoid paying income taxes.

  19. mgtowhorseman says:

    In the twittersphere If all men had a 9 pm curfew. What would women do.

    https://nylon.com/articles/twitter-replies-men-9pm-curfew

    Operate the snowplows and tow trucks.
    Deliver the overnight groceries
    Fix the hydro lines, water lines, power plants
    Operate the emt, fire, police stations
    Run the air traffic, railroad and ocean shipping systems
    Milk the cows, herd the cattle
    Stock the stores, clean the offices

    Respond to any natural disaster, civil unrest, military action after sunset.

    Want to see what happens? Personally I don’t. I like power, heat, water, food, security.
    But thats just me.

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  21. Spike says:

    ” our assumptions about the innate goodness of girls is not only unfounded, it is evil.”
    Spot on, Dalrock.
    I don’t hold a brief for Joe Rogan, but he once said a truism that Christians should internalize:
    ”Honest conflict is better than dishonest harmony”.
    First target = feminism.
    Fight back by calling it out when you see it.

  22. Jim says:

    There is nothing new under the sun. Just read about Joseph and Potiphar’s wife in Genesis 39.

  23. Anonymous Reader says:

    If all men had a 9 pm curfew

    Heh.
    Just who would enforce that?
    Duh.

    Common sense: so rare it is like a superpower…

  24. Anon says:

    In general, in terms of basic morality and human decency, on a scale of 1-10 :

    Men : 6
    Modern Western Women : 3.

    Women did rate higher in the not-too-distant past, but that was when more were under male headship. Now that male-headship has been replaced with government headship (aka Buttship), women have declined to a 3, and may decline further still.

  25. Darwinian Arminian says:

    @earl
    Better that men recognize that they are needle in the haystack instead of thinking they are all goddesses of pure virtue who can do no wrong no matter what they do.

    Earl is sadly correct. The real tragedy is that women like this aren’t just a needle in the haystack in the West, they’re a needle in the haystack amongst women who claim to follow Christ.

    For exhibit A, look no further than the twitter samplings of this chick, who’s miffed at the idea that a righteous husband might hope that his wife or mother would defend his good name. But even that much is unconsionable for someone like Hannah Anderson:

    There’s no point in thinking that marriage is even a “partnership” when you’re doing it with a woman like this, and she’s pretty much the default model for the evangelical female today. She can’t even consider the possibility that women might choose to wrong a man; instead, when a man is accused it’s just another opportunity for her to remind her husband and son that things like this might not happen if only they had treated the ladies more dutifully. Don’t ask for women to be good, ask for men to be better!

    And this is what the modern church still wants men to put a ring on? As a great man once said: No reward is worth this.

  26. Anon says:

    I seem to remember an article written almost 9 years ago (on 1/1/2010, in fact), that predicted a peaking of this ‘Misandry Bubble’ before 2020, followed by a quasi-rebalancing of power between the sexes (albeit under new paradigms, rather than a return to anything resembling the norms of yesteryear).

    http://www.singularity2050.com/the-misandry-bubble/

    It seems to be pretty precisely on track, so far.

  27. Oscar says:

    @ Spike

    I don’t hold a brief for Joe Rogan, but he once said a truism that Christians should internalize:
    ”Honest conflict is better than dishonest harmony”.

    Solomon said it long ago, and far more poetically.

    Proverbs 27:6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.

  28. okrahead says:

    I read the Megan Fox article that our host references here over at PJMedia. What amazes me is how clueless Mrs. Fox truly is. Insofar as can be determined Judge Kavanaugh has lived his entire life in accordance with the rules Fox espouses, none of which protected him. In point of fact, it now appears unlikely that the pseudo psychologist had ever met Judge Kavanaugh in person prior to her senate testimony…. and since their testimonies were separate may never yet have actually met the man she accuses. What defense is there if a woman you have never met accuses of committing a crime at an unspecified location at an unspecified date over 30 years ago, which all witnesses she summons attest never occurred? Mrs. Fox is blithely blithering in her recommendations.
    There is an individual, however, who has solved this conundrum. He was credibly accused of sexual malfeasance by many women, yet always skated unscathed. Who was he? Why none other than the President of the United States, William Jefferson Clinton! What happened to women who accused him? Just ask Vince Foster, he’ll happily explain it to you. Is this how you deal with womyn like Dr. Ford? Well, when did it ever fail Clinton?

  29. okrahead says:

    The illustrious senator from New Jersey, true to New Jersey form, has now come forth to say that even if Justice Kavanaugh can prove his innocence, he must still be rejected since he has been sullied. The same senator, one should note, who is a self-professed groper of teen age girls. At least unlike his fellow New Jersey senator he does not fly abroad to employ under aged prostitutes. So far as we know.
    Now, if the new rule is that if you are even accused, even by a woman you have never met, your life must be destroyed, what are your options? But wait. I was mistaken. It is not just your life. Ask Miguel Estrada. Or you could ask his wife and child, if either was still alive. Or ask the Illinois Times, since it is now open season on Justice Kavanaugh’s ten year old daughter.
    If you knew that some woman you had never met, had never wronged, had never even known existed, could out of malice arrange to destroy your children with only a word, what would be your rational action?
    Suppose that some woman you had never met had a gun and was stalking your child, what would be your rational course of action?

  30. RobJ says:

    Hoyt begins with this: “I have a problem when I get angry. The problem is that I’ve long ago learned – particularly in dealing with traditional publishers – to get depressed instead of letting myself go berserk.”

    She serves up the rest of her article with many more helpings of MEMEMEMEME, making it hard to tell if she’s a more reliable witness than Dr. Ford at the Kavanaugh hearings.

    Fox’s post is much better.

  31. Gunner Q says:

    okrahead @ 10:44 pm:
    “The illustrious senator from New Jersey, true to New Jersey form, has now come forth to say that even if Justice Kavanaugh can prove his innocence, he must still be rejected since he has been sullied.”

    What a sore loser. He isn’t fit to serve on a tennis court, let alone serve in Congress.

  32. Robert What? says:

    It is misogynistic not to take a woman at her word, despite the evidence or lack thereof. In fact evidence is misogynistic.

  33. feeriker says:

    Want to see what happens? Personally I don’t. I like power, heat, water, food, security.

    I do too, but I not only would gladly go without these essentials for a time, I would actually PAY to go without them if it meant being able to watch SIWs attempt to pick up the slack. Of course I’d have to make sure that I didn’t live anywhere near a nuclear power plant or a chemical or oil refinery.

  34. Mr Mark Mills says:

    The Dems think that if they can delay the SC vote using this tactic, they can disqualify after the mid-terms. I assert they will be slaughtered in the mid-terms on account of hordes of very angry women (and men)

  35. CSI says:

    Feminists say “listen and believe”, and when asked for clarification they explain “listen sympathetically and investigate thoroughly – but that doesn’t mean automatically judging the accused guilty”. That’s reasonable. But look at this Kavanaugh mess, and many other cases, where men have been subjected to all sorts of penalties based on mere accusations – public disgrace, firings, lost business opportunities, etc. That’s all this Kavanaugh situation is – an accusation. Its apparent the accusation can’t proved or disproved.

    But in these cases those feminists seem to be imply that that since those penalties aren’t legally sanctioned ones, they don’t count. This is how feminists resolve the contradiction between their two opposing views – that “listen and believe” doesn’t automatically mean the guilt of the accused. But on the other hand, that the incidence of false accusation is so incredibly small that a woman accusing a man essentially means he is automatically guilty (in the eyes of feminists).

    So if a man is accused of a sex crime by a woman, feminists seem to believe he should be automatically regarded as guilty by the public. But just in case his is the <1% of false accusations, then he shouldn't be actually found legally guilty without a proper trial. Sure he might be publicly disgraced and driven from his career, but since he's not in jail he has nothing to complain about, right?

  36. ranger says:

    I guess it’s time for a remake of The Crucible, only this time we dont get to know if the accused of witchcraft are innocent, since they are immediately burned once accused, because “women never lie”.

  37. ChristianCool says:

    The FemiNazis wants “expedited processes” in criminal cases when dealing with men vs women, especially in “Sexual assault cases”. They do not want the “victim” to even come to court; they want her testimony to be given “under oath” in separate day, without any cross-examination. They believe presumption of innocence is not applicable in sexual assault cases because “women never lie about this” or “why would they lie?” They want to end cross-examination completely because “it re-traumatizes the victim and re-victimizes them”. 🙄

    The issue is this pesky annoying document, the US Constitution that requires direct cross-examination of all witnesses and evidence against the accused must be presented openly and questioned (see 4th, 5th, 6th, and 14th Amendments to the US Constitution + 200 years of Supreme Court rulings from Miranda v Arizona and more). he Founders experienced a feminist-style legal system under British rule and saw how much it sucked, so they made it so anyone accused had major protections.

    We had a lecture about this in my 3rd criminal law class. The FemiNazis are not even hiding this anymore; the plan is out in the open.

    This is why the Supreme Court is critical to the Left. The leftist Supreme Justices can “re-interpret” the criminal protections we have using the Court. Example: 6th Amendment say you have “right to confront accusers”. Ok, no problem! The leftist Justices majority (if they block Kavanaugh and win in 2020) can re-interpret that to mean “only when accused of crime against the government and not individuals”. ❗ The Justices in SCOTUS absolutely can do this! Do not delude yourselves, their decisions have power of law. And the Supremes have done this for decades, even re-writing the “regulate commerce” clause in Constitution. It meant to be “make regular, remove barriers and tariffs between States”: but they re-interpret to mean the Feds can “Regulate” (control” any commerce they deem necessary.

    This is why we MUST vote Nov 6, 2018 and in 2020. We cannot allow the FemiNazis to get even 1 Justice in Court for next 6 years. Thomas is looking to retire soon; Ginsburg is about to croak anytime, and so is Souter. If we can pack the courts 7-2, men will continue to have Due Process rights and we can stop this “men are always presumed guilty” crap.

    Otherwise, gear up for civil unrest. Even the Soviets’ threats to send people to Siberia eventually wear out and cannot compel results long-term (such as the Kolkoz farm system, which required __ numbers of bushels of crops each year). Such a system is unattainable in the long term.

  38. ChristianCool says:

    Another important point: If the FemNazis cannot re-interpret the US Constitution to end Due Process of Law for criminal accusations by judicial fiat, they can simply make most women + all Beta males believe all men are always guilty. 😮 That has same effect. If you go to court and the Jury sees all men to be guilty and all women to always tell the truth, a “he said, she said” false rape case will result in conviction for the man, due process or not. 😮

    My concern is that if this “presumption of guilt for men” manages to go mainstream, this will take an ugly violent turn. I saw this in Brazil where poeple know they cannot get a fair shake in the courts due to rampant corruption, so people pay cops to beat up someone that hurt them or hire someone to break into someone’s business to steal stuff in revenge. It is a free for all when courts stop working.

    Why would it get violent? Well, think about it: if a man knows 100% for sure he is going to do 50 years in prison on a false rape accusation on a zero evidence, “he said, she said” case, what is he gonna do before trial? Run away?

    Or kill the bitch and get his revenge anyway? Why not? He is going to prison to die there anyway, since he is guaranteed guilty verdict. Might as well take revenge on the lying bitch up front.

    See the danger?!?! This is a powderkeg of trouble if men are always presumed guilty.

  39. #MeToo is really a backlash against the sexual revolution. It is a response to the lie that women want casual sex as much as men do. Sexual liberation gave women the right to openly use sex to pursue alpha men but it could not force those men to commit. So for years they have enjoyed a sexual smorgasbord pumping and dumping women with zero guilt. In their wake they have left tens of thousands of bitter, single, childless women, as well as women in unhaaaaapy marriages to betas. Now they have a movement granting them moral license to reframe their fornication as abuse. Why is it abuse? Because those men LEFT. Had they stayed and married the woman, there would have been no issue.

    Consider what happened to Aziz Ansari. Very few women genuinely want to have sex with him, however he’s a wealthy celebrity, so many are willing to try in hopes of cashing in. One girl did just that, he went on his merry way, and she decided to accuse him of abuse. The same thing happened to Chris Hardwick of Nerdist. Dated a young woman for three years and then left her with nothing. Took three of her best years – her youth, looks, fertility, then went on his way to the next girl. She invested all that time hoping to bag an alpha. Didn’t pan out. Any surprise she was bitter and decided to accuse him of abuse?

    If there is to be any silver lining to #MeToo it is this: Women may become more leery of using casual sex to pursue alphas. Alpha men may become a bit more cautious about inseminating dozens of other men’s future wives. One can hope, at least.

  40. buckyinky says:

    Anonymous Reader:

    It is typical that the only women who get even a little grasp of what feminism is doing / has done to boys and men are mothers of sons. Because then it is personal. Often that’s the only way women ever really have skin in the game. Brothers, fathers, and especially what’s-his-names? Meh, all those other oppressors can be flogged to death in the public square, castrated and fed to pigs[*], but don’t touch their sons.

    One might think that Ann “Take the Vote Away from Women” Coulter would be a counterexample of what you’re saying here, but one would be wrong. Is she against thinking of men in general as potential rapists? Not a bit of it, just make sure you exclude Western European men from the group, she says, and you’ve got your men as rapist class (she’s even more generous than that – you can throw in liberal Western European men too).

    Women should not as a rule be in the public square, affecting public policy, and that includes Twitter. I know it’s not a realistic expectation, as in likely to happen, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t keep integrity in our interior thoughts about the matter.

  41. earl says:

    they’re a needle in the haystack amongst women who claim to follow Christ.

    Yup.

    If they espouse feminism and Christianity…they’ll give up one or the other. They can’t be both…and often it’s Christianity they give up.

    I told this to a young lady and she was shocked because she said she’s met ‘good’ Christian feminists…all I did to prove it to her was mention anything that has to do with gender roles from the Bible and you’ll rip the mask off. If these women won’t even take the Word of God seriously…what hope is there for me saying anything.

  42. BillyS says:

    They can seem to be strongly against feminism and still support it Earl. They may get really disgusted with feminists, but be one in their own heart and actions.

  43. Vektor says:

    Get your son a bodycam.
    Also teach him how to fight and shoot.

  44. Oscar says:

    Did anybody else watch this travesty?

  45. Rollory says:

    High Plains Drifter:

    “Wonder what took her so long to get mad.”
    “Maybe ’cause you didn’t go back for more?”

  46. ranger says:

    If there is to be any silver lining to #MeToo it is this: Women may become more leery of using casual sex to pursue alphas

    How exactly does allowing women to get their revenge on Alphas who did not commit make women more leery of using casual sex to pursue alphas? Through #metoo, alphas can be more easily persuaded to commit, and, even if they don’t, women get brownie points from the Sisterhood and white knights because of her bravery in coming forward.

    We can actually expect women’s behaviour to get more and more reckless, while men’s behaviour gets to be a lot more constrained and, in a way, fostering paranoia in all men.

  47. earl says:

    If there is to be any silver lining to #MeToo it is this: Women may become more leery of using casual sex to pursue alphas. Alpha men may become a bit more cautious about inseminating dozens of other men’s future wives. One can hope, at least.

    Women (of the immoral kind) will always try to use seduction to bag a powerful man…so that half of the equation isn’t going to change until women rediscover the fear of the Lord and virtues. Perhaps even realizing that fornication is great emotional trauma to them (it’s not the same as rape so quit making it the same). Men on the other hand have to get it through their head that women seducing them and them taking part in fornication can take you down no matter how powerful you are, how many people know your name, or what you do.

    Men are the only ones who can end this…because women will stay on the victim train to get out of their sins if it keeps working for them.

  48. “ranger says:
    October 4, 2018 at 12:00 pm
    …We can actually expect women’s behaviour to get more and more reckless, while men’s behaviour gets to be a lot more constrained and, in a way, fostering paranoia in all men.

    It’s not “paranoia” when you KNOW that ‘they’re out to get you’; the FemiNazis and their Useful Idiots (male and female) of the population have shown by their words and actions that they’re ‘out to get’ anyone who doesn’t agree with them.
    The question to remember is, ‘who is going to get who’ first?

  49. Bee says:

    Oscar,
    “Did anybody else watch this travesty?”

    Yes. It is a travesty.

    They were 20 years old when they were given leadership positions in a church. Big mistake to entrust leadership to unproven youth. Several commenters have pointed out that the better pastors are those who worked a real job for 10 or 15 years and then went to seminary. Jesus was a carpenter first.

    Also the fact they had talent (music) was confused with maturity. Talent or gifting does not mean you are sober and mature.

  50. ys says:

    Oscar-
    Yeah, her husband said he didn’t believe in the Genesis account about 4 years ago. He was saying in this article that he belived in Science, etc. and he merely “believed in Genesis like CS Lewis rather than Ken Ham.”
    Well, a commenter at the time said about that article, “you will be an atheist some day. I asked these questions, and you will be an atheist.”
    Here we are.

  51. Anonymous Reader says:

    Bee

    They were 20 years old when they were given leadership positions in a church.

    Whose fault was that? Ambitious 20-somethings, or someone else?

    Big mistake to entrust leadership to unproven youth.

    And? Conclusion?

    Also the fact they had talent (music) was confused with maturity. Talent or gifting does not mean you are sober and mature.

    Without viewing the video, I ask again: whose fault was it that this happened? Who was nominally in charge that could not manage to say “No”?

    Now, what’s wrong with gifting? Better than regifting, isn’t it? Or should there have been a hedge of protection around them, filled with maturity mercies while they were proving their gifts?

  52. ray says:

    — “Want to see what happens? Personally I don’t. I like power, heat, water, food, security.”

    feeriker — “I do too, but I not only would gladly go without these essentials for a time, I would actually PAY to go without them if it meant being able to watch SIWs attempt to pick up the slack.”

    I’ve done without all those things, and more than once. It’s no fun, but it is manageable if done for the right reasons. For me, one of those qualifying ‘right reasons’ would be the destruction of feminism and the institutional structures supporting it. Ain’t skeered.

    Fear of the Big Crash is one method utilized by evil to sway men into going along with, well, evil. As in present Exhibit A, Total Feminism. My boss made it clear not to get too comfy with worldly things, and things of comfort. Because when we do, we go along with things we shouldn’t. Hm can I think of a word encapsulating that reality? How about ‘cuckservative’?

  53. ray says:

    Whoops, correction. I did have water to drink during my periods of ‘fasting’. I did not go without water.

  54. Bee says:

    Anonymous Reader,

    All three share some blame; high church leadership was foolish, the two Gungor’s rejected their faith (they were raised in the church) and blabbed about it to BuzzFeed.

    Lots of people have a crisis of faith and wrestle with it at a retreat setting, or in solitude, or in years of study, instead of blabbing about it to BuzzFeed.

  55. ray says:

    Funk Renegade — #MeToo is really a backlash against the sexual revolution.”

    Uncontrolled men messed up and now they are properly paying the price, and women are bringing them back to heel. Sounds a lot like the ‘conservative’ and ‘Christian’ position. If ONLY men hadn’t (fill in the blank) . . . well then women would behave just fine.

    $MeToo was operative millennia before the Sexual Revolution. $MeToo and Feminism didn’t originate in the Sixties with the Boomers. Eve rebelled before it ever entered Adam’s mind, and no, he was not with her while she chatted up satan.

  56. OKRickety says:

    Bee said: “They were 20 years old when they were given leadership positions in a church. Big mistake to entrust leadership to unproven youth. Several commenters have pointed out that the better pastors are those who worked a real job for 10 or 15 years and then went to seminary. Jesus was a carpenter first.

    Also the fact they had talent (music) was confused with maturity. Talent or gifting does not mean you are sober and mature.”

    Too often, musicians are idolized for that specific talent regardless of their spiritual maturity. Worship leaders, as they are often called, should be carefully controlled by the elders. Instead, most Protestant churches are overly infatuated with music, considering it the most important part of the worship. At many Protestant churches I can easily imagine a first-time attendee afterward stating “It was a cool free concert even though some guy rambled on too long about God and love near the end.”

  57. Byzantine says:

    I find it interesting that Dalrock readers think that there are mothers out there afraid that sons are about to be falsely accused of some wrongdoing in the current M2 climate.
    Mothers….mothers do not care about the sons, Not at all. Their sole mission is to break down their lovely sons at the earliest possible age to have them worship Majestic Womanhood forever. To become a humble simp who will spend the rest of life trying to please other women around (in the absence of the Mommy).
    Some mothers… with sons… are tuned in the current system and insecure about the changing political landscape. In short, they are afraid that they might lose their Golden Male Meal Ticket, transaltion: another man slaving to the system only to have majority of his wages taken away to an ‘undisclosed location’.

  58. Marquess, First Cataract says:

    MeToo was operative millennia before the Sexual Revolution. MeToo and Feminism didn’t originate in the Sixties with the Boomers.

    And Joseph was of a beautiful countenance, and comely to behold. And after many days his mistress cast her eyes on Joseph, and said: Lie with me.

    But he, in no wise consenting to that wicked act, said to her: Behold, my master hath delivered all things to me, and knoweth not what he hath in his own house: Neither is there any thing which is hot in my power, or that he hath not delivered to me, but thee, who art his wife : how then can I do this wicked thing, and I sin against my God?

    With such words as these day by day, both the woman was importunate with the young man, and he refused the adultery. Now it happened on it certain day, that Joseph went into the house, and was doing some business without any, man with him: And she catching the skirt of his garment, said: Lie with me.

    But he leaving the garment in her hand, fled, and went out.

    And when the woman saw the garment in her hands, and herself disregarded, She called to her the men of her house, and said to them: See, he hath brought in a Hebrew, to abuse us: he came in to me, to lie with me : and when I cried out, And he heard my voice, he left the garment that I held, and got him out.

    For a proof therefore of her fidelity, she kept the garment, and shewed it to her husband when he returned home: And said: The Hebrew servant, whom thou best brought, came to me to abuse me. And when he heard me cry, he left the garment which I held, and fled out.

    His master hearing these things, and giving too much credit to his wife’s words, was very angry. And cast Joseph into the prison, where the king’s prisoners were kept, and he was there shut up.

    #heebtoo #pencerule

    Note that whiteknighting Potiphar was, literally, a eunuch. lol

    This is Genesis 39. Nothing new under the sun.

  59. Anonymous Reader says:

    Bee
    All three share some blame;

    If you had a family business worth a million dollars or more and you handed it over to a couple of 20 year olds, who then ran it into bankruptcy, who would be at fault?

    high church leadership was foolish,

    “High church” in what sense?
    I would state that church leadership was stupid. Too much responsibility too soon sets people up to fail. Aging Baby Boomers reliving their own 20’s, maybe?

    <the two Gungor’s rejected their faith (they were raised in the church) and blabbed about it to BuzzFeed.

    What difference does the “blabbed to BuzzFeed” make ?

  60. Anonymous Reader says:

    Instead, most Protestant churches are overly infatuated with music, considering it the most important part of the worship.

    Say, are you dissing the light show, smoke machine, laser show, videos (before, during, after) and the roving spotlight? Tisk!

  61. JRob says:

    Say, are you dissing the light show, smoke machine, laser show, videos (before, during, after) and the roving spotlight? Tisk

    Even better…the “Life Groups.” Where every session breaks into the gyno-fueled “don’t judge”-a-palooza.

    Recent invites I accepted:
    -a pastor’s wife poopooed the topic (anger/righteous anger) to whine about how the vet wanted her to pay upfront to euthanize the cat they knew she loved her it wasn’t fair they should be understanding how dare they and Jesus is ok with it because her anger was righteous when she threw a temper tantrum in the waiting room. No kiddin’. A SIXTY-year-old pastor’s wife. I got up and left.

    -another 50+ woman hijacked a study of Jesus miraculously feeding the multitude to wax poetic on how she was allergic to everything unless it was organic and maybe it’s the petunias they plant to check pesticide levels and it’s not fair that everything isn’t organic and blah blah blah. During a pause I explained as to a toddler these practices are to increase yields and produce more food and maybe fewer people will starve to death. Crickets chirping and tumbleweeds.

  62. CSI says:

    From that link there’s this ridiculous page:

    https://designtaxi.com/news/363731/Poster-Ads-Declare-That-Sexual-Consent-Must-Be-Made-Loud-And-Clear/

    In another thread I mentioned how most feminists earnestly believe themselves to be the victims of sexual assault, which given the actual incidence of rape/serious sexual assault seems unlikely. This shows one explanation. If they gave consent, but there’s any reluctance or hesitation, or they feel they only give in due to emotional pressure such as nagging, guilt, etc – this feels like sexual assault to them.

  63. Bee says:

    AR,

    “If you had a family business worth a million dollars or more and you handed it over to a couple of 20 year olds, who then ran it into bankruptcy, who would be at fault?”

    All three share some blame. I will let you assign percentages of blame to all involved.

    ““High church” in what sense?”

    The Gungor’s were considered leaders at age 20. High church leadership is my pointing to the leaders that were “higher up” the chain of command than the Gungor’s.

    Foolish or stupid, we are both making similar judgments.

    “What difference does the “blabbed to BuzzFeed” make ?”

    Lots of people have a crisis of faith and wrestle with it at a retreat setting, or in solitude, or in years of study, instead of blabbing about it to BuzzFeed.

    Blabbing to BuzzFeed is destructive, not constructive. She is twisting the knife.

  64. earl says:

    If they gave consent, but there’s any reluctance or hesitation, or they feel they only give in due to emotional pressure such as nagging, guilt, etc – this feels like sexual assault to them.

    I keep telling ya (female) consent for fornication is the biggest gray area and the best opportunity for them to take down men there is.

  65. Spike says:

    Oscar says:
    October 4, 2018 at 11:02 am
    Did anybody else watch this travesty?
    I did.
    It’s news to me, but it doesn’t surprise me. I’m never surprised.
    Women have the Reverse-Midas Touch when it comes to church. They turn gold into manure. Not just churches. This applies to everything they touch.
    First stage: They clamor for power. They do it out of envy.
    Second stage: They change everything that made the place worth going to.
    Third stage: They get increasingly authoritarian, pull rank, become more demanding
    Fourth stage: It all falls to pieces.
    Fifth stage: They run to the media, the police, both and /or whoever will listen to them, declaring that they were the victims and it wasn’t their fault.

  66. Anonymous Reader says:

    Bee
    The Gungor’s were considered leaders at age 20.

    By whom? Specifically, who decided these two should be in charge of a church, mega or otherwise?

    High church leadership is my pointing to the leaders that were “higher up” the chain of command than the Gungor’s.

    Ok. There are other definitions of “High church”, in contrast with “low church”.

    By the way, 45 seconds of search turned up three articles that appear relevant, over a span of about 12 years:

    https://churchleaders.com/worship/worship-articles/163679-gungor-worship-or-performance.html
    https://churchleaders.com/worship/worship-articles/163679-gungor-worship-or-performance.html
    https://relevantmagazine.com/issues/issue-94/the-evolving-faith-of-lisa-gungor/

    Frankly I don’t see the relevance to Dalrock’s OP, what am I missing?

  67. Anonymous Reader says:

    Above I messed up one URL. This is an article from 2014 that is relevant to the Gungors.

    https://churchleaders.com/pastors/pastor-articles/175890-christian-duo-gungor-we-don-t-take-the-bible-literally.html

    Celebrity preachers, celebrity musicians…maybe being a church-celebrity isn’t the best idea?

  68. feeriker says:

    No kiddin’. A SIXTY-year-old pastor’s wife.

    IME, pastors’ wives are some of the most contentious, mouthiest, and nastiest in Christendom. They never used to be that way in the past, but it’s an all-pervasive trait today. Proof-positive that feminism has thoroughly infected the highest levels of the church

  69. feeriker says:

    Celebrity preachers, celebrity musicians…maybe being a church-celebrity isn’t the best idea?

    Also a pretty good indication that the faith of most “church celebrities” is probably rain-puddle deep, at best. In reading the Gospels, I also don’t think that Jesus would have many kind words to say about such people.

  70. Bee says:

    AR,

    “By whom? Specifically, who decided these two should be in charge of a church, mega or otherwise?”

    You think they were placed in total control of the church at age 20. They were not. They were worship leaders with several Assistant Pastors and a Head Pastor above them. They damaged that church but did not totally destroy it when they left. The church continued on.

    Your analogy about bankrupting a business was too extreme for this case.

    “Frankly I don’t see the relevance to Dalrock’s OP, what am I missing?”

    I referenced Oscar and Oscar’s comment when I made my comment. Oscar posted the video interview with BuzzFeed.

    The more important point is that it is better to choose Christian leaders from those who have worked in the secular world for 10 or more years first. Jesus was a carpenter until age 30, Paul was a tentmaker, Luke was a Physician, Peter was a fisherman, DL Moody was a shoe salesman, Francis Asbury was a blacksmith, Joel Osteen was a TV Producer for 18 years.

  71. Oscar says:

    RE: The Gungors.

    Placing 20-year-olds in church leadership positions isn’t just foolish, it’s un-Biblical.

    1 Tim 3:8 Deacons likewise must be dignified, not double-tongued, not addicted to much wine, not greedy for dishonest gain. 9 They must hold the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience. 10 And let them also be tested first; then let them serve as deacons if they prove themselves blameless. 11 Their wives likewise must be dignified, not slanderers, but sober-minded, faithful in all things. 12 Let deacons each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well. 13 For those who serve well as deacons gain a good standing for themselves and also great confidence in the faith that is in Christ Jesus.

    How thoroughly could a 20-year-old possibly be tested? Note, also, that the Gungors didn’t even have children yet, so there was no way to know if they were “managing their children and their own households well”. Clearly, they didn’t qualify for the office of Deacon.

    Titus 1:5 This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you— 6 if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination. 7 For an overseer, as God’s steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain, 8 but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. 9 He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.

    Note that an overseer (pastor) needs to be old enough that his children are old enough to be “believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination.” The Gungors didn’t even have a fetus yet, much less children who are old enough to be believers, or to have resisted the temptation towards debauchery or insubordination.

    Not to mention that the Gungors never believed the Bible to begin with.

    Placing wet-behind-the-ears, untested, non-believers in positions of Church authority is both foolish and un-Biblical. It may even be more accurately counter-Biblical.

  72. OKRickety says:

    Oscar said: “Not to mention that the Gungors never believed the Bible to begin with.”

    According to Wikipedia, “He (Michael Gungor) met his wife Lisa at Oral Roberts University during their freshman year.”

    One might wonder if these statements are related.

  73. Anonymous Reader says:

    Bee
    Joel Osteen was a TV Producer for 18 years.

    Joel Osteen…well, hmm, ok, how about Creflo Dollar? What are his qualifications?

  74. Oscar says:

    @ Anonymous Reader

    … how about Creflo Dollar? What are his qualifications?

    He’s a great dancer.

  75. Anonymous Reader says:

    Returning to the OP via the link above which I will repost:
    https://triblive.com/local/regional/14142176-74/lawsuit-accuses-seneca-valley-mean-girls-of-targeting-teen-boy-with-false

    The 26-page lawsuit — filed in Pittsburgh on the eve of Mean Girls Day — alleges that T.F. “was forced to endure multiple court appearances, detention in a juvenile facility, detention at home, the loss of his liberty and other damages until several of the girls reluctantly admitted that their accusations were false” this summer.

    Now anyone can file a civil suit. However there might just be more than a civil case here:

    “On April 10, T.F. was removed from class at Seneca Valley High School and placed in leg and wrist shackles by the Jackson Township Police with the assistance of Juvenile Probation Officer Michael Trego,” the lawsuit said.

    Trego testified at a hearing that T.F. was a threat to the community, and the teenager had to spend nine days in a juvenile detention center before being released on home-electronic monitoring.

    “After 28 days, T.F. was only allowed out of his home to mow his lawn,” the lawsuit contends.

    During the case, T.F. was told by school officials he could not play baseball “because every time he was wearing a Seneca Valley jersey, he was representing a school.”

    According to the lawsuit, the criminal complaints against the boy began to unravel in May when three of the witnesses admitted they had lied.

    Frankly I find this article more substantial than Hoyt’s because there’s less “he said / she said” and more legal record to go on. Again, deliberately making a false police report is probably just a misdemeanor in Pennsylvania as it is in other places. So there won’t be anyone going to jail. Although maybe there should be. Emphasis added below:

    In a tape-recorded interview with school officials in 2017, the lawsuit alleges K.S. said she made the sexual assault claim against T.F. because “I just don’t like him.”

    I just don’t like to hear him talk. … I don’t like to look at him,” K.S. reportedly disclosed in the recorded interview obtained by Fishman.

    On Oct. 2, 2017, K.S. told fellow students “that she would do anything to get T.F. expelled … and accused T.F. of sexual assault” with school officials, the lawsuit states. T.F. was subsequently charged in juvenile court with indecent assault and two counts of harassment.

    “I don’t like him …. don’t like his looks” becomes accusations that could have labeled him a sex offender for the rest of his life. Might as well declare him homeless and give him a cardboard box down by some railroad tracks to live in.

  76. Damn Crackers says:

    I just learned that Potiphar’s name in the Qur’an is Aziz. That explains a lot of the bad humor from that Tamil Indian comedian.

  77. Oscar says:

    Deuteronomy 19:15 “One witness shall not rise against a man concerning any iniquity or any sin that he commits; by the mouth of two or three witnesses the matter shall be established. 16 If a false witness rises against any man to testify against him of wrongdoing, 17 then both men in the controversy shall stand before the Lord, before the priests and the judges who serve in those days. 18 And the judges shall make careful inquiry, and indeed, if the witness is a false witness, who has testified falsely against his brother, 19 then you shall do to him as he thought to have done to his brother; so you shall put away the evil from among you. 20 And those who remain shall hear and fear, and hereafter they shall not again commit such evil among you. 21 Your eye shall not pity: life shall be for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

  78. JRob says:

    @OKRickety
    Good find.

    Oral Roberts University

    A brief list of alumni:
    Joyce Meyer
    Kenneth Copeland
    Joel Osteen

  79. RichardP says:

    Re. the conversation about the Gungors:

    God said that all those who left Egypt would die in the wilderness because of their unbelief – except those under 20 years of age, because they did not know the difference between good and evil.

    All children believe because their parents believe. That is the only frame of reference they have. At some point (usually in early 20s), children switch over from believing because their parents believed to believing because they themselves, by faith, choose to believe. This applies to everything, but I’m applying it to faith in God in particular in this post.

    That process is not the same for everyone. Some take longer; some take shorter. However, it IS a process that all go through. The comments upthread about picking older, seasoned folks to be elders in the church is based on a solid foundation. I think young folks can participate in church activities. But I think the church should ocassionally remind its congregation of the truth contained in the first two paragraphs above. Everybody has to switch from believing because their parents believed to to believing on their own. Therefore, the congregation should expect crises of faith to occur in their young folk and should stand read to give a reasoned account of why they (the older congregation) believe. Again, I don’t thing many congregations can do this. That is, I think many older folks in congregations are not certain themselves why they believe.

  80. RichardP says:

    Consider this:

    1. A exists
    2. A causes B

    Many people argue that either one of those statements is true or not true.

    Many people erroneously claim that Point 2 is true for specific issues, when in fact it is not true.

    Other people claim that, because they have proven the Point 2 is not true in specific instances that they have proven that Point 1 is not true. Therein lies the problem Proving that Point 2 is not true for specific instances says nothing about whether Point 1 is true.

    This is what is going on as kids transition from their parents’ beliefs to their own beliefs. I see that in statements made by the lady Gungor in the link given upthread. She sees with her own eyes that Point 2 is incorrect in specific instances. So that leads her to also reject Point 1. Wrong. Not logically connected. But who will point this out to her. Certainly not most folks in the church.

  81. feeriker says:

    Oscar says:
    October 5, 2018 at 8:56 am

    Given that today’s churchian “leaders” ignore, as a matter of habit, massive swathes of the Bible containing commandments that fly in the face of their beloved worldliness or that are “just too haaaaaard” for spiritually lazy and cowardly churchians to obey, is it any surprise whatsoever that they completely ignore the inconvenient standards set forth by God for those who He says are fit to lead His church?

    Let’s be brutally honest with ourselves: if churches were truly forced to choose their leaders based on the Letter of the Law as set down in the NT, there would be a massive wave of church closures and forced consolidation of congregations across the West because there simply aren’t enough qualified candidates in this converged environment to lead the numberof churches currentlyin existence.

  82. Lost Patrol says:

    @feeriker

    …a massive wave of church closures and forced consolidation of congregations across the West because there simply aren’t enough qualified candidates…

    Double down with simultaneous loss of tax exempt status. The combination might be like a nuclear winnowing fork.

  83. Jed Mask says:

    “You know, it just occurred to me. Who really cares?
    Since Christian men lack the balls to change any of this, it will ultimately be the Muslims who will take all of their rights away once and for all.
    Any remaining Christian eunuchs will be culled off. Heads covered in gunny sacks, bullets lodged in our brains, bleeding out as they gently float down the current of the nearest river, ISIS-style.”

    LOL… Speak for yourself, “CONSTRAINED locus”.

    ~ Bro. Jed

  84. mgtowhorseman says:

    Talk about tactical shortsightedness!!

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-10-05/kavanaugh-confirmation-battle-moves-supreme-court-further-right

    As Bloomberg of all places points out, the usually pragmatic Kavanaugh now has no incentive to rule centrally. On any issue where he may be swayed his hair trigger will be hard right.

    Worse as he is seen as a pariah now the Dems will not lobby him on issues. Imagine if an upcoming issue is splitting 4-4 with Kavanaugh the undecided. Dems hold there noses and call him up to make their case? Unlikely.

    Even if they did would Kavanaugh be a gentleman and take their call or tell them to piss off?

    The court will now be even more right leaning than ever before.

  85. Oscar says:

    Gents:

    Here’s my crackpot prediction.

    The 2018 midterm elections turn into a Red Wave. Ginsburg retires, or otherwise departs the Court, before the end of Pres Trump’s first term. Unable to stop a new nominee through legal means, Democrats resort to violence. The nominee gets confirmed anyway, and people in the squishy middle either turn hard left, or hard right.

    During Pres Trump’s second term (after a violently opposed landslide), Sotomayor retires due to health concerns. Another nominee, more violence, another confirmation. A few conservative states decide it’s now or never. Legislatures and governors in Idaho, and/or North Dakota, and/or Oklahoma, and/or Utah pass, and sign into law, bills that either make abortion outright illegal, or restrict abortions so tightly that they may as well be illegal.

    The ACLU and other Satanic organizations sue the states that pass these laws, dragging the issue before the Supreme Court. Amidst riots and domestic terrorism, SCOTUS overturns Roe V. Wade.

    Oregon, California, and New York immediately declare secession. Other Leftie states follow suit. The US breaks up into three countries;
    1. the West Coast + Hawaii
    2. the Northeast, and
    3. everything else.
    Violence ensues in Colorado (because it’s in the middle, but is split nearly 50/50), and in a few border states, but most people choose to move, rather than fight. The split is chaotic, but not a civil war.

  86. Dale says:

    @Feeriker
    is it any surprise whatsoever that they completely ignore the inconvenient standards set forth by God for those who He says are fit to lead His church?

    A few years ago, I had been at a church that I thought was excessively disobedient to Scripture. But “normal” people would see it as exactly average, or even “strongly Scriptural”. I decided to stop going there about that time, but before I did, I met with a pastor to bring his attention to Titus 2. I pointed out that a man the pastor chose to put into a position of spirtual leadership did not qualify, as Titus 2 says the man is to be self-controlled and self-disciplined. The man in question was obese, so obviously not what the Scriptures require.
    Well, I left, so did not know what the “pastor” chose to do. Well, I recently learned the obese man was now a “pastor” at that “church”.

    Indeed, when we accept the rule to not say “no” if it might make the other person feel bad, then we have no room for the commands from God.

    Matt 5
    18I tell you the truth, until heaven and
    earth disappear, not the smallest letter,
    not the least stroke of a pen, will by any
    means disappear from the Law until
    everything is accomplished.
    19Anyone who breaks one of the least of
    these commandments and teaches
    others to do the same will be called
    least in the kingdom of heaven, but
    whoever practices and teaches these
    commands will be called great in the
    kingdom of heaven.

  87. rugby11 says:

    Really good video

  88. drifter says:

    “…they completely ignore the inconvenient standards set forth by God for those who He says are fit to lead His church…”

    I’ve had discussions regarding this very topic with close family who are/were “in the ministry”. First they gripe about so-n-so who just wasn’t the right fit, and they hired so-n-so. They dismiss my Biblically based arguments on the grounds that no one would ever be found to fill the open positions if they were held to those standards. To which I would respond that God always supplies our needs. Then the walls would go up.

  89. drifter says:

    And speaking of Oral Roberts, Copeland, Osteen, and Meyer…let’s not forget about Robert Tilton.

  90. CSI says:

    I keep telling ya (female) consent for fornication is the biggest gray area and the best opportunity for them to take down men there is.

    Its often more than just a cynical attempt to take down men and garner sympathy. You read on feminist forums for instance accounts of minor sexual intrusions which seems to cause these women deep trauma. A single incidence of unwanted full body hugging, or kissing, or clothed groping. Or a boyfriend or husband going one step too far, say genital touching, but then quickly backing off.

    They claim this incident has caused them something like PTSD for years after, with frequent panic attacks, flashbacks, etc. I’m sure these incidents were deeply unpleasant. I’m not sure how I’d cope, particularly if it were done by someone physically stronger. Still their reaction often seems over the top. It could be feminism often attracts such emotionally fragile women and then reinforces their negative emotions.

  91. Hmm says:

    CSI:

    I’d say that not only does feminism attract emotionally fragile women, it also creates them. Feminists teach women that their emotions are the absolute truth, and always to be trusted. And pain and hurt are never your fault – always something inflicted on you. So when you hurt, you look for the person who caused it. And there’s never a man far away.

  92. earl says:

    @CSI…

    I’m not going to imagine what type of emotional ‘trauma’ or reaction a woman has to unwanted sexual advances or regret after fornication…but what I’d like to know is why they seem to think fornication, adultery, and promiscuity is ’empowerment’ and encourage it to their sisters to mate like animals with strange men…yet the results turn them into victims. Perhaps the cake and eating it too.

  93. feeriker says:

    @Dale and Drifter

    I’m prompted to wonder if the reason most churches hire (Scripturally) unqualified people* for leadership positions is that those who ARE qualified see the church for what it has become today and will have no part of it, knowing that fighting the good fight from within to try to reform things would be an exercise in futility that would emotionally and spiritually destroy them.

    (* “People” should of course read “men.”)

  94. Dale says:

    @Feeriker
    Possible. Another possibility is that the current people in authority in those religious organizations (not sure “church of Christ” is appropriate) do not qualify themselves, so are obviously not going to want to openly accept that people who do not choose to live up to the requirements be removed.
    I do not expect perfection, but there is a big difference between regularly making mistakes, and trying to refrain in the future, and consciously choosing to continue without repentance (“turning” from sin).
    Plus, what leader wants to invite another guy into leadership who will potentially be better than the original. Why, the original guy might lose his cushy job… and since his first priority is himself, not service to God, the choice is rather obvious.
    I offered to serve on a volunteer basis, i.e. free, for the summer at any churches within the denomination temporarily without full-time pastors, after I had finished a program at seminary. Was turned down due to lack of experience.

  95. ChristianCool says:

    @steve heller

    The only thing you can do in the Western feminist hellhole is to record EVERYTHING and I mean wearing a bodycam from the moment you meet the woman and having your house completely wired and ready to record the instant a woman steps inside. IN bed, always put her on top and roll your arms backwards behind your head during sex, so camera shows her riding and able to get off anytime, but continues. Keep all texts, e-mails, photos, etc FOREVER and I mean this without any joke or hyperbole. Keep all your calendars and data backed-up and save originals forever. This is the new America, this is how it is.

    The number of countries a young man can move to that avoids this Feminist hell will continue to diminish by the day. Previous safe havens of Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia are slowly drifting towards femi-hell too, with Russia and Belarus moving there at a much slower pace and resisting it every step of the way thanks to strong male leadership and more traditional culture.

    I read Roosh’s “Bang Ukraine” and it was written in 2011, updated in 2014 and he said women in Ukraine there have to watch whom they go home with because cops will NOT investigate rape allegations if the accusations seem like BS and you can easily bribe cops cheaply if needed. Ukraine does not have a false rape culture not nearly what it is in Western countries today. Ukraine will westernize before Belarus and Russia, since both countries are resisting westernization vigorously still. But it is a matter of time…. 😦 Kiev and soon Odessa will be fully Westernized, the Ukrainian police force in Kiev has been trained by US cops (many female cops from USA came too!), and there are now many female cops in Kiev now and false rape accusations can be launched much easier in such environment (but I have not yet heard of any reports of that anyway. The false rape accusation culture is not in Ukraine still). It is much “Safer” for men in 2nd tier cities, like Dnipro or Lviv, for instance. The cops are not westernized and when they see ex-girlfriend revenge false accusations, they tell her to leave or be arrested.

    Brazil is NOT (repeat NOT) what it used to be when I lived there in mid-1990s. I know everything about Brazil because I am from Florida and my State is full of Brazilians, way more Brazilians than any other immigrant group in FL, bar none. I speak Portuguese and I talk to Brazilians all the time, including many clients, about this stuff often and the stories from Brazil are horrific. Brazilian Men are moving here, to our feminist MeToo nightmare, as they say American MeToo is an improvement from Brazil!! 😮 Women in Brazil are legally allowed to hit men in public, and if man defends hmself, he can be arrested and charged. The women “sneak move” into your residence and when you break-up and try to get her to leave, she calls the cops immediately.

    I have an American cousin who has been living in Brazil for 8 years now (he was dumb and married a woman there and has a kid with her, so he is stuck there now as she would never allow their kid to leave the country), and we talk often. He told me he had 4 women in 6 years “sneak move” into his apartment and they have Common Law marriage there after 6 month, so once he realized they “sneak moved”, he would not allow the women to stay and the women become enarged, because Brazilians live with parnets until married, some live with parents as late as 40 years old, including men!!! 2 of the 4 women who tried this trick on him called the cops on him while inside his own apartment!!!! 😮 He was aware of this problem and had cash ready, so he never got arrested. But one girl physically attacked him, tried to blind him by scratching his eyes… a nightmare. Brazilian women are very violent, they have a “gangsta attitude” called “Marra”, look it up if curious. It is COMMON to see women hitting, scracthing, and punching men on the street in Brazil, in the malls, etc.

    The Socialists ruled Brazil for 8 years under Lula and the Communists ruled with Dilma for almost 6 years until she was Impeached. They passed laws that are openly Feminist, false rape accusations are extremely normal there now, they have a “female police departments” all made to repress men… bribes for false rape went up, need at least $2,000 US Dollars (or more) in cash to pay off cops, even when they KNOW rape accusations are fake. Men are treated worst than in USA in Brtazil, it is worst than probably Scandinavia.

    Brazil has a law passed during Socialist Lula’s term called “Lei Maria da Penha” which is #MeToo on steroids and women can accuse men of ANY CRIME that supposedly happened at anytime (could be 30 years before) and men are GUARANTEED a sentence twice as long as normal sentence + no parole. The burden of proof is on the accused (again, Democrats and MeToo hysterics would love it). Innocent men who cannot pay cops die in prison all the time there, from disease, hunger, or gang violence. It is cheap to hire “paraibas” (Brazilian indolent alcoholic rednecks) to murder people for 2 cases of beer.

    In Brazil, by statutory law, you have the Presumption of Guilt (the Democrats and FemiNazis would love that country!) once arrested. Police is corrupt as hell and they torture people for confessions all the time and they are admissible in court, even if signed under duress. 😮 Bottom line on Brazil: if you do not cash to bribe cops and the judge, stay away from that country. The Brazilian men think it is “safer here in Florida” from their BR women, so as you can imagine, it is THAT bad there. Not only that, Brazil is now way fatter per capita than USA, obesity-caused diabetes is higher than USA per capita, and the women are trashy, rude, entitled, unbelievably lazy, and covered in tattoos, like they are in biker gang. So nothing for men there… don’t think “that old Brazil” still exists, that country is hell.

    Only good news, looks like Jair Bolsonaro will become president and he is known as the “Donald Trump of Brazil” and has vowed a crackdown on Feminist laws, racial preference quotas for jobs and education, and ending many government abuses (including mass reduction of govt size and scope). He will, however, unleash a crackdown on street violent crime and the drug cartels, because the country is dangerous as hell (official yearly murder tally is about 69,000 per year but when you add in the “missing people” (often found in mass graves built by Cartels), you are looking at 200,000 killed per year by violent crime, if not more. Pretty dangerous for a country with total gun ban! 🙄

    So who knows, Bolsonaro may turn the Brazilian nightmare around, but we will see. As it is today, Brazil has lost most of its middle class and all of its wealthy people. The country has become a hellhole.

    The only feasible options for a young guy, wanting to escape this Misandrist nightmare called the USA today, seems to be Southeast Asia or eastern Europe, mainly Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus (non-EU countries). Once ANY country joins the EU and its globalist/feminist policies set from Brussels, the country becomes misandriest and full of violent Muslim “migrants” (or “refugees”, whatever they call the barbarians now).

    One problem for many men trying to emigrate is that they will need either a college degree they can use there, some skill, or a business of some sort, as local wages are often low. They will need to have some way to make money in these countries, learn their language well, and WANT to live there. Not easy to adjust to a pooer country, since the USA is a great place to live and work, if not for the low-quality women and hysterical leftists.

    Just be very careful where you choose to move to!!! Living outside America is hard, I have done it 6 years, it is not easy as some think!!! Much of the info on some countries is very old and outdated; check forums and chat with people and research things well. And website or book saying that Brazil is a great for young men, some sort of poosy paradise with young hot girls are LYING or are outdated 15 years or so.

  96. ChristianCool says:

    @earl says:
    “It’s high time women get a reminding they are just as capable of sinning (which includes sexual sins, lying and bearing false witness) as men are.”

    Not holding my breath, my friend. Women are queens of hypocrisy and self-adoration. It is their nature. They have a whole society telling them they are perfect… goddesses who walk among the mortals. 😆 Short of the few sane female writers we see in places like PJMedia, Dr. Helen, or anti-feminist crusaders like Candice Owens or Michelle Malkins, very very very very very few women have any self-awareness or even care about men. They do not even like their own fathers, brothers, male co-workers, male friends, cousins, nephews, grandfathers, etc. It is all about them. Self-awareness of their sin is highly unlikely, since very few churches even believe that women can sin at all! 😮

    @Oscar

    Arranged marriages will mean nothing if the women can still divorce-rape men using the police (false accusations to steal home and gain divorce leverage) and use Feminist-run Family Courts to steal a man’s wealth and future income.

    I much rather play Russian Roulette with 5 loaded rounds than to re-marry in the USA today. The Marriage 2.0 system is a legal and financial trap. This is law school and years of legal work talking here. Just buy a divorce friend a beer, he will have a lot to tell you.

    @Sharkly

    Did you ever get a new attorney? Or reconcile with wife? Hope my post way back helped you, Shark. 😉

    @constrainedlocus

    In this sense, Obama succeed beyond our wildest nightmares. He said he was going to “fundamentally change America” and by using Title IX and creating a “rape hysteria” on college campuses, he set-up the stage for what we have seen with #MeToo this past year.

    The whole Kavanaugh thing was just the next stage of the Title IX engineered “rape hysteria” going from college campus to mainstream America and now, right into the halls of power in DC. Ever since the #MeToo hysteria started about 1 year ago, we have now seen it expand to the point every aspect our life in America is subject to the hysteria, from colleges to work to dating to marriages to government and now to public trial by accusation and the attempt to re-write our social contract and eliminate Presumption of Innocence.

    DC McAllister wrote this very insightful article (http://thefederalist.com/2017/12/13/metoo-movement-destroying-trust-men-women/ ) about how the Soviet Union used the same #MeToo tactics to create their police state across its Communist rule. People did not trust each other, everyone lived under fear of being falsely accused of “opposing the govt” and being sent to the Gulags in Siberia. While in the Soviet world, the fear was being accused of opposing the govt there, in America, the fear is being falsely accused of rape or obscure, undefined crimes of “sexual harassment” (however Tweeter defines that each day). 😡 And worst, in America the accusations need no evidence and can go back 40 years or more. Not even in the Soviet system did they act that blatantly insane.

    Do you think that going back decades and harshly and quickly punishing men without any evidence is an accident? No, it is a FEATURE designed to systematically oppress men. It is designed to show they cannot mount a defense. It is designed to show no matter how absurd a false claim may be, if a woman makes such a claim, it will be believed without question and you, the man, will be destroyed without due process or appeal. This is engineered and planned to make men SEE and feel they are being unfairly oppressed. The clear injustice is another feature of it.

    The ultimate goal is to create FEAR among men, of course. To fear women, to fear their police-enforced powers, trials by social media, removal from a man’s own job and place of residence with a phone call. Another goal is for women to be able to sue and steal from men and to exact revenge against men for petty offenses. The resentment and anger men feel are just bonuses. They bask on the weakness and chivalry of men to use brute force to resist them.

    Truth is that right now, men and women do not get along anymore in America (that may the understatement of the decade here). I can say with certainty, I will never hire a woman to work for me, and if I am forced to, it will be a pleasant old grandma type. I have seen horrific injustices in my own time, I do not trust any woman, anytime, anywhere. Every woman is now a potential threat to me. Because I see them this way, I can protect myself and take appropriate measures, including my Arlo security cameras and robust evidence-gathering protocols that I keep for life, with RAID computer set-ups and external back-ups. I have 0 trust for women today, except for very close family members.

    I say this with great sadness (knowing my duty as a Christian) that after what I have learned in law school, if I see a woman being beaten on a street in America, I would NOT intervene at all. I would also never help a woman that has been attacked for real (in America) either because she could turn on me and accuse me instead. The risk is too high and the consequences to me are too great, given my work and law education needing a clean criminal record. No way I would allow a woman to ruin my future. I have worked really hard to get to this point, and no amount of shaming will make me change my thinking on this.

    Finally, do NOT delude yourself and think for a minute, that short of the very small group of sane women opposing Feminism, that even 10% or 20% of the total woman in our country today are “thinking ahead” about the nightmare America will become due to the current (and growing) Gender Wars. I doubt if we can get 5% of total female population to actively and vocally oppose #MeToo and the misandry system being set-up here at rapid speed today.

    That is because women are not hard-wired to think and plan ahead; they have no sense of the damage being done now and the long-term nightmare we will all live to see in just a few years. Drop in birth rates, virtually the end of marriage as an institution, hostility between genders, innocent people being sent to prison, and the obviously national security implications of a nation where its men refuse to participate in a society set to hurt and destroy them.

    Women DO NOT THINK AHEAD, except when planning a divorce-rape or child custody scams. Their idea of “planning” is the time and place for Sunday’s brunch with her BFFs. 🙄 They never think of the future consequences to their future husband/sons/grandchildren. Even married women with male kids, they do not think about the future damage to their husbands or sons. It is all about right now.

    That is why Western women always overspend, carry a lot of debt, never have emergency supplies at home, think having security or provisions/defensive weapons at home is “throwing money away”, and so forth. That is why they waste their youth and beauty riding the Cock Carousel and then panic when they cannot find a “superman” to marry than past-Wall.

    They never think ahead. The Feminists know that and exploit their stupidity, to the detriment of us all. Men will either reset this system in time by collapsing it with large numbers of MGTOW, under national crisis, or by force. It will not happen in a “nice manner”, it will be bad no matter how this all resets.

    Our country will be in full-crisis mode when the men of the next generation (generation Zero) comes of age and have been cucked, weakened, and disconnected to an extreme. These “men” will not be productive citizens, able to defend their country, or produce resources to secure a family and have children. Maybe we will hit a reset before then….and I am an optimist. But I think it is prudent to say: Plan for trouble.

  97. ray says:

    ChristianFool — “Brazil is NOT (repeat NOT) what it used to be when I lived there in mid-1990s. I know everything about Brazil because I am from Florida and my State is full of Brazilians, way more Brazilians than any other immigrant group in FL, bar none.”

    Wow. C-Fool knows EVERYTHING about Brazil. Even more than God. Even more than Dark Lord Teddie! C-Fool knows EVERYTHING.

    You sure seem to believe your own arrogance, boyo! if your diarrhetic opuses are any measure. You sure got a big mouth for such a microcosmic spirit. ‘The worst are full of passionate intensity’.

    But do ramble some more about all the subjects you know everything about. Perhaps purchase a goldfish, so you’ll actually have somebody to talk to? :O)

    Be seeing you C-Fool.

  98. Sharkly says:

    @ChristianCool
    Did you ever get a new attorney? Or reconcile with wife? Hope my post way back helped you, Shark.
    I am still trying to reconcile with my wife. She finally “agreed” to Joint marriage counseling, just as I was about to get it court ordered on behalf of our boys’ best interest. I also got her to “agree” to me getting unsupervised time with our sons after I also put together multiple proofs(long delayed by her constantly moving the goalposts) that her accusations were false, and I was ready to present that in court also. I believed her evil divorce lawyer actually had to talk some sense into her crazed client, about how things were about to go down in court, to get her to agree to knock off what she never should have done in the first place. She seems to be intent on doing everything she can to prevent reconciliation, while lying to all her churchgoing friends that somehow I am preventing or delaying her from reconciling. So I and my family could definitely use some prayer still. I did get another Christian man to give her some solid advice, but she is stubbornly resisting being sensible or Christian. Her Intimacy Anorexia has got her completely locked in. And unfortunately my oldest son seems to be showing signs of intimacy issues now too, but at least now that I get to spend time with him, I can work on that with him. I think having his father ripped out of his life twice for 9 months each time, has made him subconsciously hesitant to reattach, and he is beginning to become hesitant to share emotionally, much like he sees his mother is. I am still being forced under threat of the family courts to pretend like nothing is happening and this is all somehow OK and normal family behavior. Deceiving my own kids for the sake of their adjusting well to, and accepting moral depravity, really is not my natural inclination. At the moment the court stuff is on hold again, this time pending us getting joint marriage counseling. Fortunately my “redneck” county makes frivorcing couples go through marriage counseling on behalf of the children, if one party wants to try it. It is like they are saying, It is not “no fault”, it is at least one of the parent’s fault, and the innocent kids deserve at least a last shot at preserving their home intact.
    I’m not sure “who” is going to show up when we go to marriage counseling, my wife takes on completely different personalities during counseling. Usually she is the poor sensitive victim and cries a lot.(normally she never cries or shows any emotion but anger) But one time she was Superwife who was just praising and adoring me, to the point that the counselor couldn’t understand why I was upset with her. Then the second we walked out of the office, she wouldn’t even speak to me. I was caught off guard and unprepared for what she pulled off that time. The scary thing is that Intimacy Anorexics can shut their behavioral addiction off as needed, and yet still remain consciously unaware of their complete personality flip flopping. She went from complete bitch to Stepford wife and back to an Ice cold sadist, in under 3 hours, with distinct flips, and yet refuses to acknowledge that anything psychologically out of the ordinary happened. I’m hoping the counselor can refer us for specialized treatment for her condition, which she, like any addict is in denial about. Yes your advice was helpful, CC. I’m a rational man, and I like hearing from others in case there is something I can learn from them. But apparently not everybody appreciates hearing other people’s points of view. When they descend to name calling, you just have to let that crap roll off your back. Ultimately if they can’t show other men their due respect, the fault lies with them.

  99. BillyS says:

    Sharkly,

    I definitely share your pain, but seeking reconciliation seems rather foolish in your case. You will continually be walking on eggshells and fighting the battles if she doesn’t have a true full conversion in her mindset.

    I still wish I could have reconciliation in my case, but that is not possible and I will not seek it in any way unless I saw a strong repentance from my wife since the result would not be good even if it had been forced.

    Remember the saying:

    A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.

    That definitely applies to women as well. It is quite unfortunately, but it is reality, especially when almost everything, including churches will support her false claims and idiocy.

  100. Sharkly says:

    You will continually be walking on eggshells and fighting the battles if she doesn’t have a true full conversion in her mindset.
    I totally agree! That is what I am hoping and praying for, complete repentance. Basically a miracle!

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