To everything a season.

Commenter constrainedlocus observes:

I’m still digesting all of this, but I think one question that I have is what are men really thinking in these commensurate age groups? Even if these 30-45 year old women are in panic mode (I agree that they really are), and even if they believe they have to compete with 18 to 27 year old women, the truth is they really don’t have to.
Why? Because American women age 18 to 27 ARE NOT THE LEAST BIT INTERESTED IN MARRIAGE.

What are they interested in then? College degrees. Starting careers. Online shopping for shoes and handbags with their new credit cards. And acts of fellatio among different men that they perceive as “hot”.

As for the first part of his comment (what are the men thinking?), I suspect part of the issue is perception catching up with a quickly changing reality.  Back in 2004 over half of all 25 year old White women had already married.  By 2016 less than 35% had done the same.  That is a huge shift regarding what is considered normal for a 25 year old woman.

For the rest of the quoted comment the important thing to keep in mind is that all of the degrees, careers, shopping, and acts of fellatio are seen as mere prelude to the triumph of marriage and motherhood.  All of that fellatio is (in her mind) something she must do to eventually meet the father of her children.  It is seen as part of a decade plus of courtship.  When she finally meets him (she rationalizes), he’ll be forever grateful that she was willing to suck so many dicks to find his.

This is why the 30 something ex party girl is under so much pressure to marry in time to start a family.  It is required to rationalize over a decade of bad choices.  And the worse the choices, the more it is required.

This was the perspective even when the woman was still young.  Freewheeling promiscuity wasn’t seen by young women as an end unto itself, it was seen as a path to marriage.  We know this because this is what the women were telling the media when they were younger.  Back in 2013 the New York Times ran a piece titled Sex on Campus: She Can Play That Game, Too.  As you might guess from the title it was a celebration of female promiscuity.  But even in a piece on the triumph of the sluts, the slutty coeds framed their embrace of casual sex as part of a path to marriage:

Almost universally, the women said they did not plan to marry until their late 20s or early 30s.

In this context, some women, like A., seized the opportunity to have sex without relationships…

For those who haven’t read the article, it is important to note that “A” is a young woman who only has drunken sex because she wouldn’t want to be around her f*** buddy sober, and that she makes it a point to always do it in his bed so she won’t have to deal with the wetspot.  This woman pictured her sluttiness as part of her path to marriage:

“‘I’ve always heard this phrase, ‘Oh, marriage is great, or relationships are great — you get to go on this journey of change together,’ ” she said. “That sounds terrible.

“I don’t want to go through those changes with you. I want you to have changed and become enough of your own person so that when you meet me, we can have a stable life and be very happy.”

This is why she would only agree to be interviewed if they didn’t use her name:

Ten years from now, no one will remember — I will not remember — who I have slept with…

You can see the same thing in the famous Kate Bolick piece All the Single Ladies in the Atlantic back in 2011.  Bolick interviewed the young women in Susan Walsh’s “focus group”.  After explaining that these young women had a great deal of experience with casual sex, she tells us:

…when I asked if they wanted to get married when they grew up, and if so, at what age, to a one they answered “yes” and “27 or 28.”

She then reinforced this point:

“Take a look at me,” I said. “I’ve never been married, and I have no idea if I ever will be. There’s a good chance that this will be your reality, too. Does that freak you out?”

Again they nodded.

“I don’t think I can bear doing this for that long!” whispered one, with undisguised alarm.

When these women reach their 30s marriage and motherhood are essential in order to frame their previous choices.  If they marry in time and have children, in their mind it was just part of a long, wacky adventure on their path to respectable married motherhood.  But if they fail to marry and have children, if they wait too long, their wacky adventure, their decade plus of extended courtship, looks instead like a path of sad, slutty failure.

See Also:  Someday we’ll laugh!

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129 Responses to To everything a season.

  1. Novaseeker says:

    It’s the path, yes … the script. The promiscuity isn’t an end in itself, like the drinking at frat parties or road trips for football games in college aren’t ends in themselves. It’s seen as a rite of passage/life stage, and the “proper” life stage for marriage (for this group) is 29.999999 years of age (geographically adjusted for college grads). It isn’t that they want to lead lives of promiscuity, it’s that they see life like a theme park, where you go from part A to part B to part C, and in each part there are “experiences” which are proper to the “part”, such that part A is HS and college, part B is 21-30, and part C is hub hunting and marriage. Each part of the sequential theme park has its own expected “proper” behaviors. That is how it is viewed.

  2. earl says:

    And yet these women with their ‘Ten years from now, no one will remember — I will not remember — who I have slept with…’ rationalizations are bigger divorce risks than the women who decided the carousel wasn’t a necessary part in the way to marital bliss.

    Sure they might get married in order to cover up the stink of their 20s…but that doesn’ mean they’ll stay married. They may just add divorce to the dung heap of choices they’ve made.

  3. BaboonTycoon says:

    I don’t know how much stock I’d put into those responses. They seem like they’re already rationalizing their behavior before they’re even married. On some level they know that they’ve already screwed up. If they spent even two seconds asking whether their past debauchery had made them better people, we all know what their answers would be.

  4. For more about the thoughts and behavior for young women today, I recommend as your first stop the work of Mark Regnerus at the Institute for Family Studies. Like almost all American social scientists, he’s a feminist in good standing. But he coldly and honestly reports the results of detailed research.

    Intro essay: “Cheap Sex is the ‘Inconvenient Truth’ in the Retreat from Marriage“, Nov 2017.
    https://fabiusmaximus.com/2017/11/22/cheap-sex-changes-the-world/

    See this excerpt from his book (a must-read for young men): “Cheap Sex.”

    Misadventures of a young woman in modern America
    https://fabiusmaximus.com/2018/01/17/misadventures-of-a-modern-america-woman/

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  6. Anonymous Reader says:

    Larry
    Regnerus isn’t just a feminist, he’s a Blue Pill feminist who actively can’t see reality.
    Intro essay: “Cheap Sex is the ‘Inconvenient Truth’ in the Retreat from Marriage“,

    Already torn apart in the manosphere. His definition of “cheap sex” includes a blatant false premise, that “men masturbating to porn” is exactly the same as “women getting picked up and banged by random guys for years on end”. This is utter nonsense for reasons that you should already know and understand, but the hint is “Higher N for women at marriage increases risk of divorce”.

    Furthermore you should know by now that a false premise leads to no meaningful conclusion.

    One can learn a lot more about college women, their hypergamy, the college Sexual Market Place etc. by reading the late Tom Wolfe’s fictional work I Am Charlotte Simmons than anything Mark “pedestalizer” Regnarus has ever written.

    Bonus: Regnarus is at U.T. Austin. The East Sixth Street party zone is just a couple of miles away. He could actually see “cheap sex” in the field with minimal effort. If he wanted to actually learn…

  7. Dalrock says:

    @BaboonTycoon

    I don’t know how much stock I’d put into those responses. They seem like they’re already rationalizing their behavior before they’re even married. On some level they know that they’ve already screwed up. If they spent even two seconds asking whether their past debauchery had made them better people, we all know what their answers would be.

    Right. They are rationalizing bad behavior, doing what they want to do. My point is the rationalization is extremely important to them. They want their “coming of age story” to be one of triumph, not a cautionary tale.

    @Novaseeker

    It’s the path, yes … the script. The promiscuity isn’t an end in itself, like the drinking at frat parties or road trips for football games in college aren’t ends in themselves. It’s seen as a rite of passage/life stage…

    Exactly. This is why what happens later matters so much. Every guy in college doing keg laps, bong hits, etc. when he should have been studying is telling himself this is part of the experience. If he graduates and goes on to have a successful professional life the rationalization is workable. But if he ultimately fails out without graduating, or can’t get the kind of job he really wanted because his GPA was too low, the charm is gone. Instead of a rite of passage it looks like bad choices by an alcoholic/pothead slacker. This perspective (of him) will be held equally by his erstwhile party buddies who managed to stick the landing.

  8. Novaseeker says:

    Exactly. This is why what happens later matters so much.

    Yep that’s right. It validates or invalidates — but the key point is that the validation or invalidation happens at the level of the person, and not at the level of the “path/script”. There are many of both sexes who “stick the landing” after reprobate behavior in youth, so for the ones who don’t, the invalidation is personal rather than an indictment of the script itself. This is, in fact, what sustains the script itself.

  9. Anon,

    “Furthermore you should know by now that a false premise leads to no meaningful conclusion.”

    To repeat what I said: “he coldly and honestly reports the results of detailed research.”

    “Cheap Sex” proves some of the best info on sex and relationship behavior that we have today. It’s an improvement over the usual on the internet, where “the plural of anecdote is data,” The interviews alone are amazing, men and women speaking in their own (uncurated) voices. See the examples in the second link provided above.

    You can examine the data and draw your own conclusions using it.

  10. Anonymous Reader says:

    Every guy in college doing keg laps, bong hits, etc. when he should have been studying is telling himself this is part of the experience.

    Two points:
    1. There are no Fortune 500 executives writing books and articles telling him to do that.
    2. He cannot have any expectation that a woman will marry him and support him if he screws up.

    The analogy is a little bit strained.

    PS: Nobody would say that this outcome is a “catastrophe” either. In fact, even when a man being frivorced blows his brains out it still is not a “catastrophe”, unlike the much more deadly serious situation of a woman possibly being embarrassed at her wedding…

  11. Dalrock says:

    @Novaseeker

    There are many of both sexes who “stick the landing” after reprobate behavior in youth, so for the ones who don’t, the invalidation is personal rather than an indictment of the script itself. This is, in fact, what sustains the script itself.

    Excellent insight.

  12. Anon says:

    I see quite a few women as old as 38 who manage to land some extremely desperate Beta…

    BUT, this is usually a man so far below what she could have gotten in the past (or at least when she conflates AF with marriage prospects in her mind) that she is either utterly miserable forever, or divorces him and takes all his money, and is still unhappy after that.

    Yes, many women who remain unmarried until 38 or later manage to land, but what has not changed is how much of a standards-lowering she had to swallow.

  13. earl says:

    There are many of both sexes who “stick the landing” after reprobate behavior in youth

    But I’ll point out again…just because they stick the landing doesn’t mean they stay married. In fact they are a higher divorce risk.

    I know that some people will see the error of their reprobate behavior…but it isn’t marriage that makes the see the error. If they are still doing that type of behavior while married…marriage isn’t going to make them turn around.

  14. JRob says:

    I know that some people will see the error of their reprobate behavior…but it isn’t marriage that makes the see the error. If they are still doing that type of behavior while married…marriage isn’t going to make them turn around.

    Excellent point. How many sitting in church pews think like this (cue Mayberry soundtrack)? “If/when I get married, it’ll all be OK. I’m forgiven and my slate is clean and I can start over.” Chalkboard ain’t erased. Salvation does not negate consequences.

  15. Anon says:

    But I’ll point out again…just because they stick the landing doesn’t mean they stay married. In fact they are a higher divorce risk.

    Of course. It is just a procedure designed to ensure a lifetime of guaranteed income (at least until the man dies, often by his own hand).

    Cuckservatives worked hard to give women a free income stream for life. Remember, cuckservatives love Communism as long as the payers are always men and the recipients are always women.

  16. Luke says:

    Prediction re “Ten years from now, no one will remember — I will not remember — who I have slept with…”:

    Just as we now have practical at-home semi-sneaky DNA-based paternity tests available, I expect that not too many years out we’ll have telegony tests. That is, there’d be an easy test to tell just how, ah, permanently genetically claimed a woman’s future progeny are from her previous men.
    Just as rich & famous men with any kind of options now won’t knowingly touch a porn actress, watch for there to be an overt trend for “kids with her wouldn’t be half mine, so F wifing HER up and trying to make a family”. (This is already implicit in how many to most white men turn away from even fairly physically attractive women the second those men find out she has a history of mudsharking.)

  17. Anonymous Reader says:

    Larry Kummer
    Anon,
    “Furthermore you should know by now that a false premise leads to no meaningful conclusion.”

    To repeat what I said: “he coldly and honestly reports the results of detailed research.”

    Do you understand basic logic? His premise is junk. Therefore his results are junk. It’s like “coldly and honestly” constructing a 10 story building on top of a foundation made up of Play-Doh and cupcake frosting – it will fail.

    Do you agree with his “cheap sex” premise that equates men masturbating to porn with women having sexual intercourse with a series of men, or not? Are you aware of what the GISS data tells us regarding “number of different sexual partners a woman has prior to marriage” and “probability of her divorcing”, for example? That fact alone, which comes from much bigger data than anything Regnarus has, tells us he’s ignorant.

    It would be fun to ask him if he can replicate his own research…on East 6th street Saturday nights…

  18. thedeti says:

    There are many of both sexes who “stick the landing” after reprobate behavior in youth, so for the ones who don’t, the invalidation is personal rather than an indictment of the script itself. This is, in fact, what sustains the script itself.

    Yes, and a couple of things about that.

    1) For men, “sticking the landing” can have as many different meanings as there are men. To a large extent, we men define “sticking the landing” for ourselves.

    For women, “sticking the landing” means only the following: marriage (hopefully to a very attractive wealthy man) and children. There are no other definitions of sticking the landing for women. Any woman who doesn’t get those things didn’t stick the landing, in her own eyes or in those of the all-important female social matrix.

    2) There sure seems to be a lot more women not sticking their landings. The fact that fewer are marrying and age at first marriage is getting pushed out further and further bears this out.

  19. When she finally meets him (she rationalizes), he’ll be forever grateful that she was willing to suck so many dicks to find his.

    This is a very interesting rationalization to say the least.
    I can easily imagine the look on her face for effectively winning the bronze: https://s2.r29static.com//bin/entry/491/0,121,2000,1125/x,80/1624466/image.jpg

    But hey, when she finally finds the right Ding Dong, the next question remains whether she has the fortitude and genuine desire to even continue? Or does she hang up her knee pads and retire?

    Nevermind! Please don’t answer tha….

    “I don’t think I can bear doing this for that long!” whispered one, with undisguised alarm.

    As the numbers indicate, modern day women are obviously delaying marriage and motherhood later and later. I suspect unilaterally-declared sexual retirement is also being brought forward earlier and earlier – shortly after or even before the ink is dry on that “hard settle” marriage of hers.

    After almost one solid decade of sexual promiscuity with rosters of different men, let’s just call it for what it is, fellas. When you factor in that attitude and ingratitude of that “hard settle”, her once spectacular libido is simply not going to win anymore post-season awards.

  20. earl says:

    Besides I guarentee you she’ll remember who she slept with 10 years ago. It might just be the guy she starts messaging again on facebook when she gets ‘bored’ or ‘unhappy’ with her husband.

  21. rocko says:

    “When she finally meets him (she rationalizes), he’ll be forever grateful that she was willing to suck so many dicks to find his.”

    Which is why I’m convinced that the “princess kissing frogs to find her Prince” is basically just a metaphor for sucking dicks. Especially if it’s the toads full of warts.

  22. Westray says:

    The stages are all so completely well-defined by now too, thanks to social media/internet. There are far fewer people marching to their own drum, if you will. The images coming down on the forty and unders are in the hundreds of thousands.

    High school; find your clique and act accordingly. I actually think high school is losing some of its emotion. I went to my buddy’s sons b-ball game and there was almost no one there. This generation isn’t comfortable in the stands. They are used to being the focal point thanks to social media.

    College; drunken, risqué wildness, now carefully documented on snapchat etc. Take the hundreds of thousands of images that you’ve seen of kids at this stage of life and make sure your projected social media images are a match.

    Post college; Gap year social media driven travel. YOU in front of the Mona Lisa, Macchu Picchu etc. Sex with a beatnik style Southern European guy. Poverty porn images on social media. Cliched, anemic spiritual awakenings in remote locations, validated by social media photos and inane quotes.

    Then on to respectable, take-over-the-world, girl power H.R. associate position. Date great looking guys, drink wine and maybe go to film festivals etc, read two or three middle-to-upper brow novels a year (leave them on the coffee table by all means. And the coffee table, make sure you really stick the landing with a GREAT coffee table). Buy some art. This is only two years after wild, screeching drunken stupidity (the defined role in college). Do people really change that fast? Yes, if they are play-acting in both cases.

    Late twenties; maybe some yoga or kickboxing or some sort of outdoor badassery, like kayaking or camping in the snow. Maybe a couple years of ‘proud to be single’ type of signaling.

    Mid-thirties; marriage to a beta who has learned to signal leftist do-goodery that you can toss out on social media in order to convince your friends that you got a good one. A beta but that can’t be mentioned because he’s into the environment or trans-awareness in preschool or something. On to your children whose immense athletic potential and achievement (not really) is splattered all over your social media.

    All the stages, play-acting and behavior is so extremely well-defined. That’s why the consistency is so boring.

    The worst part of all is that the final stage is now as clearly defined as any of the previous ones; ‘breaking free’ divorce theatrics. The imagery, style, and cachet around divorce is as cool and glamorous as the peak role in any of the other eras. The journey is not complete without a ‘You’re so strong girl!’ Divorce. At this point the narrative is so well-defined that actually missing out on divorce would leave a huge hole in the narrative. Non-divorced women must look on their broken free divorced friends with the same envy that you’d see in the girl who never left her hometown as she hears (sees) her friends’ sorority exploits. The divorce-wine-ceramics class phase is entrenched in our culture and it’s nowhere close to being regarded as failure. Not anymore than hiking around in Italy would be seen as a failure. Not a trace of it.

  23. @rocko,
    Nailed it.
    That “princess kissing frogs to find her Prince” is a indeed a metaphor of our times and perhaps all times.

    For what it’s worth, HPV leads the field by a massive margin in terms of all STIs and rates of infection (source: CDC):
    https://www.livescience.com/48100-sexually-transmitted-infections-50-states-map.html

    Human Papillomavirus (HPV) (a.k.a. genital warts):
    https://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/stdfact-hpv.htm

  24. earl says:

    Anyone who is sexually active can get HPV, even if you have had sex with only one person. You also can develop symptoms years after you have sex with someone who is infected. This makes it hard to know when you first became infected.

    If I remember correctly…pretty much anyone who is or has been sexually active likely has HPV. Mainly because condoms don’t stop the spread of it (and the vaccine for it isn’t good for you either)…because it is spead through genital skin contact.

  25. Anon says:

    Luke said :

    This is already implicit in how many to most white men turn away from even fairly physically attractive women the second those men find out she has a history of mudsharking.)

    This directly contradicts the consensus on this thread that virtually all somewhat attractive women have no difficulty marrying if they lower their standards, even if they are 35+.

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  27. Westray says:

    I agree with Anon. No ‘fairly physically attractive’ woman has any problem whatsoever. I assume that means thin and recognizably female. They would be awash in suitors in this online era. The world is not the manosphere. It’s easy to start thinking that it is once trapped inside an echo chamber. A thin, long-haired woman in the Northwest, for example, is absolutely not crying into her cats. It seems fair that she would be in the sense of cosmic justice, but it doesn’t happen. The obesity epidemic is the monkey wrench in the situation.

  28. mgtowhorseman says:

    Ok what is the hard deck on marriageable women?
    We all agree no 60 year old woman is going to be a first time married except for abberations.
    Is it 55? 50? 45?

    Lets say its 50 since Dalrock didnt publish data above 49 (cause really who cares.)

    So old days the marriage hunt window was 20-50 or 30 years.
    Now its 30-50 or 20 years.
    You just cut your window by 1\3!!!!

    Or another way there is a hunky millionaire handy man to your left, one to the right, another straight ahead. But oh wait, the one straight ahead turns and walks away.

    “But why?” You scream. “Sorry! You waited too long!”

    Now do you understand the math???
    (And women want to be in stem!)
    And the guy stra

  29. lol We all agree what women actual do. The statistics and anecdotal evidence is clear, as you’ve shown. But why?, Dalrock. You’re so far off. If Hollywood says think of a man but take away reason and accountability, consider there is enough lie left in there to destroy the man who takes it to heart. Women do NOT think. They feel. Most men feel more than they think. You have white-man naivete, as is usual for the white non-slavic Xian. Women care how YOU think and weave a narrative for effect on you not truth beyond the truth of animal winning and your juxtaposition. She wants high relative status. For her being famous for being famous is a no brainer, get it?

    She must rationalize that her Big Day and first meh Baby Shower is better than the Carousel because she can’t ride the latter anymore, but that narrative is to sell you herself not to sell to herself. She only cares that she is #1 as a herd animal. It’s completely superficial. She has only one steadfast belief, in herself as rightful #1.

    I realize that a married man (you) and a single man (me) can’t agree on this fundamental of the Red Pill. Besides the handicap of Christianity, investment in a wife creates a barrier to free psychological association and exploratory thought. You still give women too much credit. They say lots of things. They say I want alpha in one breadth and I want beta in the next. It proves nothing. You should know better. You have just inspired your followers to reason with women because women have some overarching narrative to which they subscribe. Change her narrative and change her ‘reasoning’. What a waste for the men to subscribe to the idea that women subscribe directly to anything not the one true TINGLE.

    If you apply Occum’s Razor, I am obviously right, but then we both know you don’t. You can’t. Jesus saves women too, and He can’t do that if women are effectively soulless. If lowering your opinion of women into the animal kingdom is more predictive, it’s a better view in terms of truth at least. That doesn’t exactly make you want to share a bed.

    There has always been a divide socially between men who are married and men who are not. Female hooks are not physical, unless men are incredibly emasculated. They evolved to use masculine physicality (any and all of it) rather than risk themselves beyond pregnancy and child birth. St. Paul said it was better to get married than to burn. The implication was that a functionally celibate man should not get married. Paul, a certain pragmatist, lived in stifling imperial decline, and so do we. This circle has been closed before. The women are the same.

  30. Gunner Q says:

    Marriage/kids as validation seems at odds with what I’ve seen & heard concerning womens’ conduct. They appear to simply be locking down a revenue stream to offset their fading looks when hubby-hunting in their 30s/40s. Children are meal tickets rather than human beings, which is why women try to push out a couple at the last minute instead of spending her party years having kids with a healthy body. Not to mention how many women poison children against their father to cover up the pointlessness of her treachery and its inevitable damage. It’s implausible that women are in consistent, total denial for twenty-five years straight.

    Westray @ 6:23 pm:
    “High school; find your clique and act accordingly. I actually think high school is losing some of its emotion. I went to my buddy’s sons b-ball game and there was almost no one there. This generation isn’t comfortable in the stands. They are used to being the focal point thanks to social media.”

    I’ve noticed this over Labor Day weekend and earlier this year. Big social events have consistent attendance losses. Family events less attended, county fairs less attended, demolition derbies less attended, the Scottish Festivals less attended. Are people really so addicted to “me first” social media that they can’t enjoy watching a live show anymore? Anybody else see this happening in their area?

  31. Luke says: “Just as rich & famous men with any kind of options now won’t knowingly touch a porn actress,”
    How pray tell does incline U-turn into decline? You really assume the big ‘we’ are the same way toooo much. That white-man naivete. Ice-T had a show with his porn wife. Der Fuhrer-in-Chief presumably did touch another. You have way too much respect for rich and famous men, of today at least. In decline the animals are winning. Rich men are rich today for political not economic value. Not all men can think above their hormones into the heady stratosphere of culture and family. Those who can need not be good boys 24/7 like you. I imagine there are other examples of redeemed porn queens. Mrs. Prince Henry is close enough to prove how things are, no fluke. You make quite the assertion IMO. Should and is: oh, how my beetch mother ruined muh life on that moralist script. I know it well. And you live by traditional values too. lol You can’t. Tradition is culture is group exercise of sovereign power. There’s no such team these days. There is no such behavior because acting that way with consistency is prompt death by self-sacrifice. The rewards are what they are, not what they ‘should’ be.

  32. @Gunner O, Interesting take, the maintenance costs of ego inflation. I had supposed (by solipsistic projection I suppose) that the issue with decreased attendance was increased economic poverty. Social atomization, multidimensional like life itself, is the harbinger of ugly things to come.

  33. Aryan Blindboy says:

    “I’ve noticed this over Labor Day weekend and earlier this year. Big social events have consistent attendance losses. Family events less attended, county fairs less attended, demolition derbies less attended, the Scottish Festivals less attended. Are people really so addicted to “me first” social media that they can’t enjoy watching a live show anymore? Anybody else see this happening in their area?”

    …people? a bit too vague when women are exponentially more addicted social media than men, therefore; ‘me first’ = Female First = lack of family = lack of children = “Men Going Their Own Way” = lack of attendance… the dominoes are falling.

  34. Spike says:

    ”“I don’t want to go through those changes with you. I want you to have changed and become enough of your own person so that when you meet me, we can have a stable life and be very happy. ”
    This is the identical story played out by most Western women. Again and again and again, by the same and by different women. Relationship after relationship. Co-habitation. Living together.
    Whatever. You try to tell them that it isn’t the path to happiness or a stable marriage. They have a million anecdotes as to why you’re wrong.
    So you ask them if their last 3, 4 live-in relationships have made them brides, happier or more secure.
    Gotcha moment.

  35. squid_hunt says:

    “I don’t think I can bear doing this for that long!” whispered one, with undisguised alarm.

    That’s actually a bit heartbreaking.

  36. feministhater says:

    That’s actually a bit heartbreaking.

    No, it’s a blooming big red fucking flag. She’s knows it’s wrong yet does it anyway, she doesn’t like doing it but does it anyway; they are so down the slippery slope that they refuse to do what they actually really want to do, i.e. get married and have children at a young age, that they destroy the very ideal and then have to lie and cheat their husbands at a later date. These women are conniving and evil. They rob their husbands of their due and then lie about it later.

    What they are doing is wrong. Yet no one demands they change, in fact they are grateful that these women still somehow get married and breath a sigh of relief and pat themselves on the back when they see how men still get married to these broads even when to do so requires lying, cheating, stealing and depriving men of their due as a husband.

    Pure filth.

  37. purge187 says:

    “Yes, many women who remain unmarried until 38 or later manage to land, but what has not changed is how much of a standards-lowering she had to swallow.”

    Pun intended?

  38. Novaseeker says:

    I agree with Anon. No ‘fairly physically attractive’ woman has any problem whatsoever. I assume that means thin and recognizably female. They would be awash in suitors in this online era. The world is not the manosphere. It’s easy to start thinking that it is once trapped inside an echo chamber. A thin, long-haired woman in the Northwest, for example, is absolutely not crying into her cats. It seems fair that she would be in the sense of cosmic justice, but it doesn’t happen. The obesity epidemic is the monkey wrench in the situation.

    Yes, but it’s also the thirst in general. Lots and lots of very sex-thirsty guys at all ages, and women have the supply chain locked down. Any of them who are attractive get to dictate terms at all ages. Don’t think that 55yo attractive women aren’t dictating terms in their own market — they sure as hell are.

    As for the mudsharking comment …. that’s become so commonplace around here (DC area) as to be unremarkable. It’s changed a lot in the last 5-10 years — that is the rate at which you see such couples has gone up a lot, and the kinds of couples you see has also changed. Often now it is quite attractive white women with black guys, not tatted trailer trash obese women, which was more common in earlier eras. I don’t think there is much of a taint for women at all for doing this now, even in the UMC, because it’s fairly common to see it (and UMC women are very careful to avoid tainting behaviors at least in public). WM/BW couples are as rare as they always were, but WW/BM couples have become a lot more common up the social scale, and notably with quite attractive girls. I think white guys are falling behind a bit in terms of masculinity and attractiveness on the margins, and because there are fewer of them whom women find attractive, some attractive women are going this route. It’s still a small phenomenon overall — 80%+ of WWs and with WMs, and the number of AW/WM couples still dwarfs the number of WW/BM couples by a huge margin, but the beginnings of that changing are already visible.

  39. squid_hunt says:

    @feministhater

    No one said anything about excusing them for their behavior, but that statement expresses a lot of the mess going on in women’s heads and feminism has gotten to the point in its indoctrination that women can’t even express these feelings honestly. They are ashamed and not allowed to admit it and so continue to debase themselves.

  40. Anchorman says:

    They are being fed poison and told it is good for them.

    This is the role of older women. To teach the younger women how to avoid their mistakes. And yet, the sheer volume of voices pushing the poison almost always drowns out the few voices of reason.

    Even when someone says, “Men prefer virgin, debt and tattoo free women, there are voices within the Christian community ready to shout down the warning signals from the complimentary sex.

    Snares all around.

  41. Anchorman says:

    Just as young men are/were fed the lie of Marriage 1.0, young women are/were fed the lie of the “have it all.” “Have it all” morphed so easily into, “Don’t deny any impulse,” which led to the current crop of debt-laden, inked up, promiscuous “Christian” ladies.

    Some pastors shrug it off or cheer it on and too many Christian women shout down men trying to send warnings to women.

  42. squid_hunt says:

    @Anchorman

    And watch the tightening up in a congregation any time a preacher mentions women’s dress. It’s reflexive at this point. I always go out of my way to amen when they get on that subject because it’s obviously a sticking point but desperately needed.

  43. PokeSalad says:

    demolition derbies less attended

    Now THIS is serious! Is nothing sacred?!

    😉

  44. Casey says:

    The author of the original comment to which Dalrock is responding is 100% correct……..

    Women in the 18 to 27 age bracket are not interested in marriage (yet). Like Dalrock has so aptly stated many times: “Women don’t want to spend one extra moment of their youth and beauty on their husbands”

    Until a noticeable amount of women fail to ‘stick the landing’ and go without marriage and children, then all is well in their world.

    Like so many things in this world, it will change when men FORCE it to change.

    MGTOW……..MGTOW……MGTOW

  45. Damn Crackers says:

    @Anchorman – “This is the role of older women. To teach the younger women how to avoid their mistakes. And yet, the sheer volume of voices pushing the poison almost always drowns out the few voices of reason.”

    I used to think that too. But, the older women were as promiscuous as the younger ones. I am at the point where it is just safe to assume all 20 to 30 year old women have notch counts as high as real prostitutes. In fact, I’d rather deal with actual prostitutes than jump through the hoops to gain access to de facto whores.

  46. Kevin says:

    While failing to get married is personally painful for these women, I think the fact they tried is enough justification/rationalization. Its not necessary they get married to salve their disgusting behavior, its enough that they are imagining eventual marriage and that they “tried”. Most apparently still get married, but the marriage is the cherry on top. They felt justified just imagining they were on the modern sex-strewn alcohol intoxicated “path” to marriage.

  47. Kevin says:

    @Earl

    Exposure to HPV is common, but most people clear it and have no residual effects. Some (more often men because the female mucosa transmits HPV more readily and they may get repeat exposure) retain the virus which gets into the DNA and leads to changes leading to cancer. But most people get exposed to HPV and clear it and don’t remain active carriers until re-exposed.

  48. Dalrock says:

    @‘Reality’ Doug

    lol We all agree what women actual do. The statistics and anecdotal evidence is clear, as you’ve shown. But why?, Dalrock. You’re so far off. If Hollywood says think of a man but take away reason and accountability, consider there is enough lie left in there to destroy the man who takes it to heart. Women do NOT think. They feel. Most men feel more than they think. You have white-man naivete, as is usual for the white non-slavic Xian. Women care how YOU think and weave a narrative for effect on you not truth beyond the truth of animal winning and your juxtaposition. She wants high relative status. For her being famous for being famous is a no brainer, get it?

    She must rationalize that her Big Day and first meh Baby Shower is better than the Carousel because she can’t ride the latter anymore, but that narrative is to sell you herself not to sell to herself. She only cares that she is #1 as a herd animal. It’s completely superficial. She has only one steadfast belief, in herself as rightful #1.

    I think you’ve misread my describing the rationalization for defending it. Women are slutting it up because they want to slut it up. I’m just describing the context they rationalize it in. And women really do feel that marriage is essential for their status. There is a reason only 8.6% of white 45 year old women have never married.

  49. Hugh Mann says:

    Constrainedlocus, Earl – HPV causes a fair amount of damage to men, too, especially oral cancers.
    Those (excluding homosexuals) who ‘dine at the Y’ are most at risk.

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/jun/02/michael-douglas-oral-sex-cancer

    In the UK girls – and only girls – are vaccinated against 4 (used to be 2) types of HPV – and boys don’t get vaccinated at all, unless they are homosexual. But some UK doctors are paying to have their sons vaccinated privately. I’m considering it for my boys, even if it’s a bit late.*

    The latest vaccine, Gardasil-9, protects against 9 strains of HPV.

    * if they’re already infected with, say, one strain, why not reduce the risk by vaccinating against the other 8 strains?

  50. Anon says:

    Novaseeker,

    It’s still a small phenomenon overall — 80%+ of WWs and with WMs, and the number of AW/WM couples still dwarfs the number of WW/BM couples by a huge margin, but the beginnings of that changing are already visible.

    Here in California, it is quite different. There are few blacks, and the West Coast is newer anyway. Whites, Hispanics, and Asians (Yellow and Brown) are roughly equal in number. The boundaries between these three groups are not very high at all, particularly when Filipinos double as both Asians and Hispanics, Iranian women dye their hair and pass for white, second-gen Mexicans often look Italian, Indians and Chinese are the majority of the economic upper class rather than whites, etc.

    Since there are very few blacks, inter-ethnic pairing is about as common as intra-ethnic. The largest group of people is unattached. In summary, on a typical Friday or Saturday night, if you observe the twentysomethings :

    i) A fourth are in a relationship with someone of the same ethnic background.
    ii) A fourth are in a relationship with someone of a difference race.
    iii) Half are in no relationship at all.

  51. Cane Caldo says:

    @Nova

    As for the mudsharking comment …. that’s become so commonplace around here (DC area) as to be unremarkable. It’s changed a lot in the last 5-10 years — that is the rate at which you see such couples has gone up a lot, and the kinds of couples you see has also changed. Often now it is quite attractive white women with black guys, not tatted trailer trash obese women, which was more common in earlier eras.

    It’s much more common in this Texas college town, too. Every year I observe more BM-WW couples than the year before.

    I think white guys are falling behind a bit in terms of masculinity and attractiveness on the margins, and because there are fewer of them whom women find attractive, some attractive women are going this route.

    It’s the status. Media matters, and it really matters to women. Black nor white men have changed, but the status of black men in the media is portrayed as positively as possible and white men as negatively as possible. In addition to the perceived sexiness of the men, white women also get social clout which comes from the virtue signal.

    You know what else I see a lot more of every year? Black lesbians.

  52. OKRickety says:

    Cane Caldo said: “Black nor white men have changed, but the status of black men in the media is portrayed as positively as possible and white men as negatively as possible.”

    I have my suspicions that black and white men have changed, but there is no doubt about how the two groups are portrayed in society today. And there certainly may be some virtue signalling. That is, “I’m not too racist to date a black guy”, much like “I’m not too racist to vote for a black President”.

  53. feeriker says:

    @Minesweeper, @AR, I like the way Blackdragon phrases it: “Women love getting married, women hate being married.”

    Or, to paraphrase it another way: “Nearly every woman wants to be a bride. Almost NO woman wants to be a wife.”

    This is the role of older women. To teach the younger women how to avoid their mistakes. And yet, the sheer volume of voices pushing the poison almost always drowns out the few voices of reason.

    It used to be that wise older women were abundant both inside and outside of the church. Nowadays they are all but nonexistent in both the world and the church.

  54. earl says:

    “Nearly every woman wants to be a bride. Almost NO woman wants to be a wife.”

    One is the grandest of attention whore days…the other is about icky & boring responsibilities, accountability, and submitting to her husband (you know acknowledging him as an actual human being instead of your personal work mule). What rebellious degenerate woman wants that?

  55. earl says:

    The latest vaccine, Gardasil-9, protects against 9 strains of HPV.

    NINE?!?!?!

    Man that sexual revolution has turned cads and sluts into human petri dishes.

  56. Cane Caldo says:

    This verse comes to my mind every day.

    “If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.”

  57. In summary, some key takeaways:
    1. Women are “slutting it up” because they really want to.

    2. And because there is quite literally no negative consequences, reckoning, karma or squaring of the ledger to them for doing so. Prolific, Olympic competition levels of fellatio and sexual congress during their 20s is celebrated as feminine empowerment. There is no shame for women with high notch counts. Not even STIs, bastard children nor open divorce porn fantasies and acts of unapologetic financial extortion yield any measure of shame from either men or other women. Even within the evangelical Christian churches- its pastors and female congregants – have no criticism for such behavior, no matter how pervasive or destructive. Such women have not sinned against God.

    3. Regardless of her wreckless sexual behavior, at the end of her rainbow, whether she is age 29 or age 45, here is apparently a number of willing beta male providers in waiting with a ring, a cake and monogamy – just for her.

    4. Both secular western society and the church still views such marry-minded men as ordinary, common and simply doing “what they are supposed to do”. They are responsible and accountable, but not valued or appreciated in any meaningful way for their sacrifice. Meanwhile, a 35 year old man marrying a 24 year old woman is unheard of, but if it ever would happen, then he would be shamed for “robbing the cradle” while she would be admonished for “not having the opportunity to sow her royal oats” or rack up high debts for that Sociology degree.

    5. Modern day men don’t seem to care about paternity, feminine virtue nor genuine female sexual attraction anymore. They never learned why they should care about such things. The majority of men are perfectly ok with the notion of exclusively transactional sex within any marriage or LTR they enjoin. And again they probably never learned that anything else exists.

  58. squid_hunt says:

    Meanwhile, a 35 year old man marrying a 24 year old woman is unheard of, but if it ever would happen, then he would be shamed for “robbing the cradle”

    Anyone that thinks this is about anything other than the egos of used up old women needs to spend a little time watching some romance dramas. Women have no issue with forty or fifty year old women nailing twenty something men.

    Tune out the noise. Enjoy your life. I don’t recommend younger women, because that would get annoying after a while in my opinion, but as there’s no biblical prohibitiion I conclude there’s nothing actually wrong with it.

  59. Gunner Q says:

    earl @ 11:54 am:
    “NINE?!?!?! Man that sexual revolution has turned cads and sluts into human petri dishes.”

    I once heard a Red Cross spokesman say the reason homosexuals aren’t allowed to donate blood isn’t because the AIDS screening is ineffective. It’s because the next STD to come along will show up in homosexuals first, before they have a test for it.

    Like what happened to hemophiliacs. They’re dead from GRIDS now, all of them, simply because nobody knew GRIDS existed at the time. I’ve heard of attempts to arrange blood transfusions from known-clean donors like family but they didn’t work much better than average. Still, if you’re scheduling major surgery then you might ask that 40-yo virgin friend for a big bloody favor.

    We might need a monastery of clean blood donors for the 21st Century.

  60. earl says:

    Such women have not sinned against God.

    They have…they just hate it when somebody points this out as it is ‘judgemental’. Anything that proudces bad feels is the worst thing that can happen to these women.

    Do they think God is going to not be judgemental or something? Being offended in front of the just judge isn’t going to mean anything.

  61. earl says:

    In fact I think being offended when properly called out is a HUGE sign you AREN’T seeking repentance.

  62. earl says:

    We might need a monastery of clean blood donors for the 21st Century.

    Or the market for clean blood will start to skyrocket.

  63. OKRickety says:

    Earl said: “In fact I think being offended when properly called out is a HUGE sign you AREN’T seeking repentance.”

    Put another way, they feel shame and complain about it rather than feeling guilt and changing.

  64. DR Smith says:

    But if they fail to marry and have children, if they wait too long, their wacky adventure, their decade plus of extended courtship, looks instead like a path of sad, slutty failure.

    To which I say – so what? See ya, wouldn’t want to be ya… Maybe these gals will finally understand how destructive their behavior has been and the empty promises they were told by feminism and it’s kissing cousin, cultural Marxism. Unfortunate for them. , will not happen until it is too late – I hope I am gone by that point..

  65. Anon says:

    I once heard a Red Cross spokesman say the reason homosexuals aren’t allowed to donate blood isn’t because the AIDS screening is ineffective. It’s because the next STD to come along will show up in homosexuals first, before they have a test for it.

    There is only one logical reason that evolution created homosexuality at all – to dump all the genetic defects into a small number of beings who would not reproduce, in the hopes that they also hasten each others’ demise (diseases). Homosexual men are disease vectors, which is why a normal person gets viscerally revolted seeing two men hold hands (let alone anything more amorous than that). You are *supposed* to be revolted.

    This is the only logical explanation under evolutionary science.

    Not sure about lesbians, though, as they are not disease vector (but are genetic wastebaskets all the same).

  66. Anon says:

    Man that sexual revolution has turned cads and sluts into human petri dishes.

    Straight men are still less disease-laden than promiscuous women and certainly gays.

    Another one of the many reasons that 2020-era VR sex will just seem more compelling than anything else for a substantial portion of men.

  67. Anon says:

    Anyone that thinks this is about anything other than the egos of used up old women needs to spend a little time watching some romance dramas. Women have no issue with forty or fifty year old women nailing twenty something men.

    Of course! James Bond was played by actors who were, on average, 17 years older than each Bond Girl, with some cases being as much as 30 years. This was rarely a problem for anyone until very recently, when ‘feminists’ gained too much power.

  68. Novaseeker says:

    i) A fourth are in a relationship with someone of the same ethnic background.
    ii) A fourth are in a relationship with someone of a difference race.
    iii) Half are in no relationship at all.

    @anon —

    It’s not at all like that here in DC. We are a very diverse region, too, now, ethnically, with a lot of East Asians, South Asians and Latinos, but here the various interracial pairings vary widely. Overall, interracial pairings are not more than around 15% of the pairings you see around you out and about (mall, restaurants). By “interracial”, I mean pairings between whites, blacks, asians (south or east) or more ethnic, recently arrived latinos (the latinos who have been here 2-3 generations are effectively white for dating purposes and so aren’t interracial for dating purposes).

    The frequency of these pairings varies wildly here. Again leaving aside the 2nd and 3rd generation Latinos (most of whom identify as Hispanic white and are no longer meaningfully ethnic or interracial for dating purposes), by far the most common is EAW/WM. That’s followed by WW/BM, then you have ethnic LW/WM and ethnic LM/WW behind that (language and/or family issues prevent it from going very high typically). Everything other than that is literally “trace amounts”. I live in a community with a huge number of techie South Asian H-1Bs (it’s literally around half of the community I live in), educated and earning good coin here, and they are either married to Indian girls from South Asia or they are high and dry … you pretty much never see one of them with a white girl here. That may change when they are 2-3 generations in, which they are not now. I can’t recall seeing a SAW/WM pairing here. Again that may change 2-3 generations in, but we don’t have much of that here yet. The recent Latinos in this area are with each other and not with white men or women (again, that changes 2-3 generations in). The ones you see in interracial pairings the least are black women and asian men (east or south) — I have noticed a few more of these in the last 5 years than before, but it’s still at the trace amounts level overall such that when you see one, you very much notice because it stands out.

    You know what else I see a lot more of every year? Black lesbians.

    @cane —

    Yes — winners and losers and all of that.

    It’s the status. Media matters, and it really matters to women. Black nor white men have changed, but the status of black men in the media is portrayed as positively as possible and white men as negatively as possible. In addition to the perceived sexiness of the men, white women also get social clout which comes from the virtue signal.

    Probably both of those together with a deterioration in white men in terms of their status vis–a-vis white women. The actual situation of white and black men may not have changed that much, but the status of white women as compared with white men has ballooned, and I think that has an impact on the margins. Again, most white women are with white guys, but we are seeing changes on the margins.

  69. Oscar says:

    @ OKRickety

    Put another way, they feel shame and complain about it rather than feeling guilt and changing.

    2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death.

  70. Cane Caldo says:

    @Novaseeker

    the status of white women as compared with white men has ballooned, and I think that has an impact on the margins.

    Good point; I hadn’t thought about that.

  71. Opus says:

    There is one James Bond exception: Diana Rigg was one year older than George Lazenby when they made OHMSS.

  72. Opus says:

    It is both an obvious yet unnoticed point that the status of women has as Novaseeker observes ballooned in the last fifty years. The consequences are that younger white women being financially and by reason of nature of a higher status are less likely to become romantically associated with older men. Once upon a time parents of young women would have given their eye-teeth for an older established man to court their teenage daughter; these days they would be more likely to call the police.

  73. thedeti says:

    There is no shame for women with high notch counts. Not even STIs, bastard children nor open divorce porn fantasies and acts of unapologetic financial extortion yield any measure of shame from either men or other women.

    What women are saying to men, or at least how men are perceiving the message being sent, is this:

    “You cannot judge us. If you do judge us, we will not have sex with you. And we will tell everyone we know about your judgment, and they won’t have sex with you either.”

    And this scares the hell out of the bottom 80% of men, it really does.

  74. OKRickety says:

    Opus said: “Once upon a time parents of young women would have given their eye-teeth for an older established man to court their teenage daughter; these days they would be more likely to call the police.”

    I watched To Catch a Thief last night where 50-year-old Cary Grant was matched with Grace Kelly, about half his age. But today, look at the accusations (long-gone now that the Senate election is past) of 30ish Roy Moore dating teen-aged girls that raised a furor (even here, I believe) of complaints of his perverted desires.

  75. Lost Patrol says:

    Diana Rigg was one year older than George Lazenby when they made OHMSS.

    In those days the failure to have a much younger woman must have seemed wrong to the viewers since George was the only one-and-done Bond.

  76. Lost Patrol says:

    When I lived in South America years ago, and was totally ignorant of all the things explained and discussed here, I nevertheless noticed that the validation point for a woman was motherhood. It didn’t matter how you raised the kid(s) or if you paid it(them) much attention at all (though in fairness the mothers seemed attentive generally), but it was vital that you could claim motherhood. You would not have any status as a woman until then, and simply being married would not cut it. This at any rate is what I thought I was seeing. Marriage itself appeared to carry little weight in the matter and single mothers were a dime a dozen even in the early 1990’s, but again I did not understand the things that Dalrock and commenters point out, so maybe there was some influence about marriage there I did not grasp at the time.

    Bottom line: Until you brought forth a child of your own you had little to no status with other women. Men didn’t use the same standard of measure but they did accord motherhood respect. Marriage I suppose was a kind of bonus but it was not the primary goal of hooking up with a man. The goal was motherhood and it often occurred at an age of early 20’s or before.

    Things may have changed lately.

  77. @Dalrock, thanks for reply and clarification. I could be a wee bit oversensitive in my total fail lifestyle. You are certainly right that women want to get married eventually, after they want you know what all they can. That no-stick-the-landing percentage is so small if floors me. I will include it here since I’m feeling masochistic. It’s like that other quote about women spending their fertility as desired, just, I can’t escape. C’est la vie:
    “There is a reason only 8.6% of white 45 year old women have never married.”

  78. Hugh Mann says:

    earl @ 11:54 am:
    “NINE?!?!?! Man that sexual revolution has turned cads and sluts into human petri dishes.”

    The common verruca is caused by an HPV strain. There are over 170 different types of HPV.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_papillomavirus_infection#Signs_and_symptoms

  79. toocrazy2yoo says:

    With each sexual relationship that doesn’t ‘work out”, a little rage. They didn’t get their price, fair value. They tally this stuff up you know. But I’m not certain they deliberately go out meaning to feast on umpteen numbers of dicks. Not most of them. Their first choice doesn’t want them beyond that. Or even that. And so they begin the process of settling. They may be the single guy’s bread and butter, but at the end of it all, they’re dented cans, damaged goods from thirty onward. 15 years birth control, lots of sex with lots of guys, an abortion or two or three. Maybe a few STDs. Drinking, drugs, or they got fat in addition to all. And they want us to marry their saggy, ruined bodies and broken, wasted spirits so they can decide to take half a young man’s legacy and walk off.

  80. earl says:

    “You cannot judge us. If you do judge us, we will not have sex with you. And we will tell everyone we know about your judgment, and they won’t have sex with you either.”

    And I’d tell them…so what. Their lack of judgement is the reason why they are often in the dung heap with their choices.

  81. Any man who wants to keep a good standing in God’s eyes would not bother with these women. The women have a twisted sense of status – status in the world and not status with God. Good Bye to them.

  82. feeriker says:

    Any man who wants to keep a good standing in God’s eyes would not bother with these women. The women have a twisted sense of status – status in the world and not status with God. Good Bye to them.

    Sadly, being in good standing with the Lord is priority number 200 (on a scale of 1 to 10) for most people these days, “Christians” included.
    This one is a gem!!!!!!!!!!!

    https://mom.me/lifestyle/271245-i-didnt-have-sex-my-husband-five-months-and-he-had-affair/

    Without even reading the linked article, the title alone confirms once again that cause and effect, to say nothing of common sense, utterly eludes most women.

  83. Dale says:

    Don’t go after the college women; there are lots of attractive younger women who would love to get a college educated older man.

  84. earl says:

    Without even reading the linked article, the title alone confirms once again that cause and effect, to say nothing of common sense, utterly eludes most women.

    It’s mostly a sob story about how exhausted she was taking care of the kids and how dare her husband (who also worked long hours) wanted to have sex with her…it’s another ‘me, me, me’ story.

  85. Sharkly says:

    it’s another ‘me, me, me’ story.

    Yep! It is astounding that somebody could write that, and still not have a clue!

  86. CSI says:

    When a husband rejects his wife sexually how do they handle it? Do they say things like “a man’s worth goes way beyond how much sex he’s having with wife” or “he went out and bought in money for her and that’s enough”. No, if you go onto forums you’ll see that wives tend to handle sexual rejection much worse than husbands, with complaints about how this rejection emotionally devastated them, etc.

  87. Opus says:

    It must be remembered that Lazenby married Rigg in OHMSS. A friendly acquaintance of mine knows Rigg but doesn’t have a good word to say of her which is disappointing as I was always pretty crazy about her from as far back as The Avengers.

    In my thirties I certainly dated and indeed slept with teenagers. I cannot get my head round the idea that there could be anything odd about that – I found it far easier to do so in my thirties than in my teens or twenties, ergo: women prefer older though not old men and I looked younger than my age.

  88. Anon says:

    Novaseeker,

    It’s not at all like that here in DC. We are a very diverse region, too, now, ethnically, with a lot of East Asians, South Asians and Latinos,

    The Asians and Latinos are very recent arrivals in relation to the 250+ years of baggage between blacks and whites in the region. Remember, the MD-DC-VA region was a major center for plantation slavery, a major theater of the Civil War, and a powder keg of tensions even for a century after that. For 250 years, the region comprised of two very different races, with the prosperous one at 70% of the population, and the poorer, previously enslaved one at 30%. This ensured hypodescent (i.e. a mulatto could only marry a black person) that continued until the 21st century. The large difference in outward appearance between the two races also compounded the chasm between the two.

    By contrast, the West Coast :
    i) Did not become part of the US until a decade before the Civil War, and had no part in the slave economy. The massive cultural baggage present in the band from Philadelphia to Louisiana is not present here.
    ii) Is still only 5% black (if you combine the three West Coast states), so blacks are the least numerous of the 4-6 groups. Virtually zero of the up and coming politicians (under 50) on the West Coast are black.
    iii) Asians and Hispanics have never had the same scale and degree of racial animus with whites.
    iv) Since many Hispanics are 50% white, and Asians are higher income than whites, hypodescent for economic reasons does not happen.
    v) A White-Chinese, White-Indian, or White-Mexican hybrid person does not look indisputably non-white the way a mulatto does.
    vi) Asians comprise at least half of the upper class on the West Coast. This affects the hypergamy calculus.

    I live in a community with a huge number of techie South Asian H-1Bs (it’s literally around half of the community I live in),

    You are talking about immigrants. I am talking about 2nd-gen people exclusively. For example, it was found that only 20% of immigrant Hispanics marry a white person, but 50% of 2nd-gen Hispanics do. For Asians, the numbers are 10% and 35% respectively. Since both groups have been in CA longer, there are more second-gen representatives of each.

    There are plenty of completely white Americans in California that happen to have Hispanic or Japanese surnames. This is because their grandfather was such, but as they are only one-fourth non-white, there is virtually zero apparent in their appearance. I know 70 y/o white men with last names like ‘Koshiba’ and ‘Miyaki’.

  89. Anon says:

    Opus,

    In my thirties I certainly dated and indeed slept with teenagers.

    To be on the safe side regarding British Law enforcement, you should convert to Islam. That way, this activity will never be frowned upon.

  90. info says:

    much of the American Gospel has been perverted. Unregenerate and unsaved all of those women.

  91. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Anon: Here in California, it is quite different. … Indians and Chinese are the majority of the economic upper class rather than whites, etc.

    Not in Los Angeles. Here, Jews are the majority upper economic class.

    Do a Google map search on the wealthiest parts of L.A. Brentwood, Bel Air, Beverly Hills, the Valley south of Ventura. Lots of synagogues, Chabad houses, and Jewish centers.

    I’ve worked in the entertainment industry. Yes, it really is run by Jews. A large majority of (working) agents, managers, studio executives, and producers are Jewish. And they make very good money.

    Yes, there are plenty of wannabe producers, agents, and managers who are gentiles. They set up shop. They get licensed and rent an office. But unless they have friendly tribal connections, they generally remain wannabes.

  92. toocrazy2yoo says:

    “No, if you go onto forums you’ll see that wives tend to handle sexual rejection much worse than husbands, with complaints about how this rejection emotionally devastated them, etc.”

    CSI, they do NOT like being rejected, especially after being told by Oprah that we men should love them when they get fat. My ex wife got incredibly obese after we married. Seriously, from 5’9″, 135 to North of 250 inside of a year. Shallow bastard I am, I migrated off to the couch. She put on more after our daughter came, only gained, never lost. I’m sorry, I’m shallow and she only showered in the morning for work, so she was a disgusting blob. I can’t bone up for fat women, never could. Beer? They get uglier. So I’d sleep on the couch. When she pestered me, I’d tell her to take off her clothes and stand in front of the STUPID 1500 dollar antique mirror she had to have for answers as to why I’m on the couch. I’d have coexisted, we never fought, but the sex thing, it was dead. I never cheated, but in 1992, she went to her Ma’s, we sold the house and I was single again right in the middle of Bill Clinton’s DC, which were VERY good times. Divorce cost me 500 and child support. She married some shlubb and had an epileptic baby who is crippled up, he’s got ALS or something, he’s crippled. Tragic. I hear to this day she blames me for it all. Maybe she’s right. But she dumped me for not screwing her. But the 1992-2005 period was the time of my life in Virginia and DC. Then the region turned to crap, filthy with diversity. I left when my Mom passed and never looked back. I hear Fairfax City is a real S-Hole. But Boston is lovely..

  93. Sharkly says:

    toocrazy2yoo,
    My ex wife got incredibly obese after we married. Seriously, from 5’9″, 135 to North of 250 inside of a year.

    Wow! That’s like ten pounds a month of weight gain! I feel really bad for you. My marriage was a wreck, but that is just tragic.
    Now for the bad news. 1 Corinthians 7:2-5 You were supposed to have as much sex with her as she wanted. But I totally understand your dilemma. Perhaps you could have turned out the lights, climbed on top, put your arms around both sides of her, and pretended you were having a threesome. LOL I bet that pricey mirror she wanted, became her worst enemy. She is not right to blame you. While you were not obeying the Bible fully, your reaction is quite understandable, and she needs to consider her own weighty contribution to the problem. You couldn’t have known that was going to happen. I’ve never heard of anybody going from fit to fat so fast. I hope you are growing closer to God as a result of your trial.

  94. squid_hunt says:

    @feeriker

    Notice that it’s not her job to make him feel like a man, but it’s his job to maker her feel appreciated and valued. Pure woman logic.

  95. Heidi says:

    Huh. I kept on waiting for the woman in feeriker’s story to have an epiphany–“Maybe I should have let some other things go and had more sex with my husband!”–but it never came. Amazing. And, I’m sorry, 3, 5, and 7-year-olds are not that difficult to deal with, unless you’ve failed to teach them to help you out. (Maybe she was homeschooling, but still.) Adultery is always wrong, but it sounds like she provided a great opportunity for her husband to be tempted into sin.

  96. squid_hunt says:

    @Heidi

    I get a kick out of women complaining about how hard it is to keep it with one or two children. It seems to be the new thing, how hard being a mother is. All the local moms agree. As a stay at home mother, that’s not that difficult of a task at all, but the best part is when they complain to my wife, who has eight children, and an immaculate house…and homeschools.

    We just roll our eyes.

  97. thedeti says:

    slightly off topic. Sheila passive-aggressively responds to Dalrock:

    https://tolovehonorandvacuum.com/2018/09/sarah-biblical-submission/

  98. Hugh Mann says:

    A sad tale from the UK.

    Man, 37, marries 35 year old (I said it was sad). Reception for 80 family and friends at the hotel where the bride and groom are staying.

    Come 11.30, the groom decides it’s time to head upstairs. But his blushing bride decides to stay with the party.

    12..00 – she’s still partying.

    12.30 – she says she “went to check on him an hour later and saw he was fine”. I wonder.

    1.00 – she’s still partying.

    1.30 – she comes up to bed – he’s dead in the bed.

    Just imagine being that guy. He’s dropped a pretty large hint when you went to bed. It’s his wedding night. And his blushing bride would rather be elsewhere.

    What can he do? Go downstairs and make a scene? Or lie there, awake, fuming, and getting more stressed as the clock moves round?

    And as the time lengthens, he has time to contemplate an awful mistake. If his wedding night’s like this, what’s his married life going to be like?

    Anger and adrenaline triggers heart failure.

    Maybe if he’d called a taxi at 1 am, gone home, called the emergency locksmith and had his locks changed, he’d be alive now.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6137611/Groom-dies-hours-getting-married-hotel-Linton-Wetherby-West-Yorkshire.html

  99. OKRickety says:

    thedeti said: “slightly off topic. Sheila passive-aggressively responds to Dalrock:”

    She says it’s the first of 4 Wednesday posts this month on submission. Is that quadruple-downing?

  100. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Hugh Mann, that article makes it all about her tragic loss. And she is making about her. The article says:

    She wrote on Facebook in a heart-wrenching post: ‘Friday was the best day of my life, where I got to marry the best, most bluntly honest, funniest, kindest and most loving man I’ve ever met.

    ‘We had a perfect day full of family, friends, love and laughter – we couldn’t have asked for a better day.

    ‘The magic ran out at the end of the night and my beautiful Danny was cruelly ripped from my life.

    ‘There is a hole in my heart that can never be filled. I just don’t know how I’ll ever cope without you my fabulous husband.’

  101. squid_hunt says:

    @okrickety @thedeti

    She had to spend the first post insulting anyone who would ever disagree with her and set up her twisted assumptions to make the future posts more palatable. She’s not even pretending to teach the Bible. She’s cherry picking and mocking anyone that would disagree with her.

  102. Damn Crackers says:

    “Any man who wants to keep a good standing in God’s eyes would not bother with these women. The women have a twisted sense of status – status in the world and not status with God. Good Bye to them.”

    Great. Now what? That is one of the main points of reading this blog. How do you square the circle of finding a good woman to marry in this non-Christian age? You can’t expect the whole laity to go celibate.

  103. Anon says:

    RPL,

    Not in Los Angeles. Here, Jews are the majority upper economic class.

    That is Hollywood, which only involves a small fraction of the total Los Angeles population, which itself is just a subset of urban California’s population.

    Overall, Jews are just 3% of the state’s populaton, vs. Asians at 15%. Of course, the high frequency of Asian-Jew marriages heavily corroborates my point about intermarriage being very high in CA.

  104. toocrazy2yoo says:

    Thanks Sharkly! :
    “1 Corinthians 7:2-5 You were supposed to have as much sex with her as she wanted.”

    While she wasn’t THE anti-Christ, she WAS anti Christ. Pro-choice feminist Democrats always are. And so she deserved none of the Christian religious bounty supposedly due the Wife. Her bounty was ice cream and “I’m not haaaaapy!”. Everyone came out about like they should have and deserved, especially me.

  105. Opus says:

    I attended a wedding in L.A – Irish-Philippine – so that’s Asian – the link being of course Roman Catholicism. I became romantically linked (for a few days before departing from LAX though I somehow managed to visit a strip club near the airport before my flight – not sure how that happened) with the Matron of Honour – and married – also Philippine. Oh dear my wicked wicked ways and worse I had a bird stacked up in my apartment back home with whom I cannot be said to have been cohabiting so I am not sure why she was there and I forget but I left her in the apartment to go to the wedding.

    Only the Mail has tragic wedding stories. At least (black joke – bad joke) he did not live long enough to be frivorced. One of my former clients was not so lucky. He married and naturally there was a wedding party. They retired and consumated the marriage. That was in the afternoon and then they returned to the party which was still on-going. Then the bride departed following a row with the groom never to return. The bad news was: she had four children by a man or men none of whom were available for alimony. The result being that these four were now children of the family and the unhappy groom (an old rock-a-billy type in his fifties) was stuck with having to pay out maintenance for all four as well as to the no-longer benefit-assisted wife of less than half a day.

  106. Joe says:

    “There are many of both sexes who “stick the landing” after reprobate behavior in youth…”

    I found that churches may unwittingly encourage reprobate behavior in youth with some of their programs. I’ve experienced situations where a church invites a guest speaker, such as an athlete or similar high profile individual, to address the youth about drug use, etc. Inevitably the speaker condemns such behavior.

    The message that is communicated is different from that which is spoken. The message communicated is I used drugs, turned out O.K. and you in the congregation are now paying me to tell you about about my reprobate behavior.

  107. Jeff Strand says:

    How desperate do chicks become to get married? Here’s a real life scenario.

    In my mid twenties I dated a Cuban gal in her early 30’s (call her Rosa). I had just ended a two year relationship with a hottie 19 year old (21 by the time we broke up) so I went from one extreme to another.

    Rosa had a decent county job with benefits. Salary was ok. But she owned her own house, which had appreciated to where she was sitting on quite a little bundle of equity. And she owned her own sports car. She wanted to lock me down in the worst way. Made it clear she would “take care of me”. Had me look at new homes with her, wanted me to help pick out the designs, etc…the implication being that I would be living with her. But first, we would “have to get more serious”, meaning put a ring on it. She even offered to buy me a new car.

    Well, I bailed. She was of course, devastated. Even wrote a letter to my mom (whom she had never met, as she lived several hundred miles away) going on about what a cad I am, how I played with her feelings, broke with up her just like that to be with another woman, never shed a single tear for her while she shed many tears for me, etc. I found the whole thing pretty funny (and I still have the letter). Ahh, the life of an Alpha, lol.

    But here’s the capper. After giving Rosa a year or two to recover, I called her up to see how she was doing. By now I had broken up with the hot blonde I had left Rosa for, so that made her feel less humiliated to talk to me. Well, we continued to talk regularly, as platonic friends, for a good decade and a half! Even through over a decade of my marriage. (Yes my wife knew. No, she didn’t care. She was never threatened by another woman or afraid of me leaving her for some skank. Even if I was weak and fell into the arms of another chick, she knows I would always come home to her)

    So I got to see how things turned out for Rosa. In a word, disaster. She started chasing younger guys, who only took advantage her. And I don’t mean just for sex – one guy had her sign for a truck for him, then took off with it, leaving her on the hook for the payments, lol. She had to hire a repo man to track down the truck and repo it! She did online and blind dating for awhile, but nothing panned out. Then, she seemed to just give up.

    Next, she lost her county job. So she was now living in her little one bedroom condo like a hermit, and not interacting with anyone (she never had any female friends, as she feared they would try to steal Mr. Perfect from her, once he showed up). Then came a slow descent into madness. Delusions. Thinking animals were reincarnated dead people she had known and were talking to her. Thinking the state Governor was having meetings about her to give her her low-level county job back. Thinking the New York Mafia was after her. Hitmen were being dispatched against her. And on and on. I am dead serious here.

    At this point, seeing how delusional and mentally ill she had gotten, it scared me. So I broke off contact with her (several years ago now). She would be well into her 50’s now. Never married, no kids, not even a bf in decades. Descending more and more into madness. All alone. A real feminist success story, huh?

    P.S. Two important final points. Number one: when she was 23, her Hispanic boyfriend at the time asked her to marry him. She said no, partly because she never wanted to marry a Hispanic guy, only an “Anglo” guy (as she would put it). Because, as she said, “all Hispanic guys cheat”. And she could never stand for her last name to become “Rodriguez” or “Gonzalez” or the like. So I guess she was kind of a self-hating Hispanic chick, lol. Anyway, I have often thought, how much better her life would have turned out if she had just married that guy and had a couple kids with him.

    The second interesting point. In the years I knew her (from her early 30s to late 40s), as she realized time was running out on her, she did NOT feel more inclined to “settle”. Oh no, just the opposite. Like an investor who can’t bear to sell a stock after a 20% pullback and thus lock in his “loss”, she felt like “I didn’t wait all this time for God to give me my Mr. Perfect, staying single all this time and waiting for him, only to settle now! If I were going to settle, I could have done that years ago!” And so she insisted the hubby for her must be in great physical shape, great abs, muscular, light eyes, not balding, tall, prestigious job, professional, well spoken, younger than her, Christian, handsome, look great on her arm, and probably a bunch of other stuff I forget.

    And this guy she’s describing, who is probably less than 1% of the male population (and could have any chick), would of course, have to be totally and completely in love with her and enamored of her. So (as she once told me) if she were walking down the street with him, and a beautiful woman walked by, he wouldn’t even turn his head. Which made me wonder if her “perfect man” is a closet gay, lol.

    But she made clear that’s what she expected, and she would settle for nothing else. The old bit of “if I can’t have the exact guy I want, I’d rather be alone.” Well, she got her second choice – she’s alone. She will be heading into her late middle age and then her senior years with no one. No friends. Very little family. No husband or even an ex. No children. No grand-children to look forward to. Dark depression is all that’s in store for her. And I imagine she’s just given up at this point. A wasted life. A tragedy.

    That’s how it turned out in real life, in one sample case that I’m very familiar with, for an “empowered, single woman”. Not quite what they portray it in the movies, is it? It’s not quite “Sex and the City”.

  108. Mr. Roboto says:

    @Jeff Strand
    Great story, thanks for sharing it!!!

    “she never had any female friends”
    ^^^This is a big red flag

  109. Minesweeper says:

    @Opus, so how much did 1/2 a day of marriage and sex once cost him in the end inc the inevitable divorce ?

  110. Jack Russell says:

    Jeff – I am sure many single over forty women had/have the same expectations and ended up with the same results, though not willing to accept the blame for their prediciment.

  111. ChristianCool says:

    @Jeff

    I am NOT surprised Rosa wanted to marry a white guy. Most Americans do not understand the concept of “Casta”, the “caste system” which is very powerful all over the Latin world, especially in Brazil, Cuba, Venezuela, Mexico, and Colombia. Mexico is well-known for being the most racist country in the world, black people and Native Americans (mostly in Oxaca state) in Mexico are treated like 4th class citizens. Racial mixing in Mexico is considered to be for “inferior” types. You even see as Mexican women interact at work here, even first-gen American born Mexicans have this Casta mindset. I saw the lighter skin Mexicali girl totally looking down on these two much darker Mexicali co-workers all the time.

    I get this whole concept/mentality because I lived in 4 countries over a 6 year period (my Dad was Consulate officer and we lived in Brazil, Spain, Argentina, and Italy) and I learned a lot about Latin culture. In Brazil, I would say 95% of the women or more would consider “blue eyes” as the favorite trait to have in a child. It is consider a sign of social status, like a BMW is in America. While in the AngloSphere white males are the 3rd class citizens, in Latin America, white guys get way better quality girls, as long as they are in decent physical shape and are at least middle class.

    So Rosa did not “hate herself” or hate her Hispanic race!!! She just wanted to have children that LOOK better and have a better status in Latin society. I can almost guarantee that Rosa wanted her kids to have lighter skin and blue eyes, if all possible. Blue eyes + a least 7 facial appearance + full head of natural hair will get you TONS of girls in Latin countries, especially women seeking marriage and kids.

    Also, look at rapper Pitbull, he is 100% Cuban but I assure you, run a DNA tests on that guy and he will come up overwhelmingly tied directly to Spanish ancestry, very little racial or ethnic mixed with local Cubans. His family probably only intermarried Cubans who were of direct Spanish ancestry. Pitbull has 6 kids with 3 different WHITE women, very pale women. He wants to give his kids “high status” under the well-ingrained, culturally acceptable caste system he grew up with. This is what “Sistema de Casta” is. It is ingrained in that society like you would never know.

    (Note: even in Philippines, almost all women there want to marry and have kids with white males. Almost every famous person in Philippines, including Miss Universe last year who is 1/2 Filipina with a Norwegian father. The Philippines were a Spanish colony for over 100 years and the Casta system is ingrained there too).

    I also just wrote a post about the “Minimums Mentality” that women have in ANY Feminist society, like America. She may be Latina, but being in America long enough, especially in Miami, which is literally a slice of the 3rd world, she gets the worst of entitled American Feminism mindset and the crazy Latin culture mixed in.

    So when Rosa got into her 40s, she raised her expectations instead of lowering them. No surprise for me there. That is because the more guys she got banged by, the higher each minimum requirement for “Mr. Perfect” will be. If she got pumped ‘n dumped by even 1 guy who a 10-incher, that becomes her minimum size for Mr. Perfect. She eas invided by some guy to ride on a $90,000 Porsche one afternoon? That is now the minimum car she will accept Mr. Perfect to drive. It is insane, but that is a blend of Hypergamy, delusion, and what I call the “Minimums Mentality” (see my long post above).

    sadly, sounds like Rosa got involved in some sorta “Prosperity Gospel” type of fake Christianity where God will only hand her a perfect man, God is Santa Claus, handing out cash and perfect people without any effort. Anything else is not from God. I knew a woman like that… she ended up marrying again at age 56 and guy was fat, worked construction, and drove a truck that was 16 years old and had cracked windshield. LOL

    Feminism in our society has created an entire generation of highly delusional women. It is a tragedy, but unless these women crash and burn and don’t get a “late marriage bailout”, they will never learn. It is only way we can reset this entire messy marriage and dating situation.

  112. Jeff Strand says:

    @ChristianCool: “sadly, sounds like Rosa got involved in some sorta “Prosperity Gospel” type of fake Christianity where God will only hand her a perfect man, God is Santa Claus, handing out cash and perfect people without any effort.”

    Yep, you nailed it here.

    I can’t tell you how many times I heard her say that God is going to give her this Mr. Perfect that she concocted in her dreams. She was a Cuban Baptist, which I didn’t even know was a thing. She told me that all the people in prison are there because they are demon-possessed. (Which I now realize is actually pretty close to what Martin Luther taught – in his book “On the Slave Will” Luther denied the traditional Catholic teaching that man has free will, and said instead that either angels or devils control a man’s will and actions in the same way a human rider controls a horse.)

    If Rosa ran over a nail and got a flat tire on the way to work, literally the devil put that nail there for her to run over. This is what she believed. (And understand, I do mean “literally”)

    So yeah, the girl was batschit crazy when it came to her religious beliefs, as well as delusional about her place in the MMP. But the advantage is that, like all Protestants, she could just make it up as she went along. Everyone is their own pope. So she would tell me how it’s certain that everybody who fails to “accept Jesus” (whatever that means) will go to Hell. But on the other hand, she would defend abortion and say women need to be able to have access to it! And apparently, she was in no fear of her own salvation when she would fornicate with different men – having “accepted Jesus” gave her a free pass to fornicate all she wanted and still go straight to Heaven. Again, this is right out of the Martin Luther playbook – “Faith Alone”, right?

    Thank God she didn’t marry. No guy deserves that.

  113. BillyS says:

    Jeff,

    Your RCC has made up plenty of things over the years. People in glass houses and all that.

    Look at all the popes and anti-popes for a good example of its failures. Indulgences anyone? Exactly who is making things up?

    CC,

    You can believe God wants His children to have their needs met with enough to give others (true prosperity) without believing feminist idiocy. You can also oppose it and be a complete feminist. The two are separate. I am sure you enjoy being poor and having just barely enough to get by, right? You probably use the public library to post here because you can’t afford a computer…. /s

  114. Oscar says:

    @ Jeff Strand

    Even if I was weak and fell into the arms of another chick…

    That’s awfully passive.

  115. ChristianCool says:

    @Jeff

    I know EXACTLY what you mean. This lady I knew was 56 was and she had been divorced (before she became a Christian) and was literally single for 21 years!!! And this lady had the EXACT same lines as Rosa! 😮 She was going to marry a tall, fit, wealthy Christian widower (no failed marriage acceptable for her… except her own, of course, but she claimed her ex-husband was gay, which we ALL knew not to be true!), who was going to treat her like Queen Victoria. She said God only wanted the absolute best for her. Finally, reality set-in and she married again at 56, so she beat the clock. Guy she married was Christian man, not tall, definitely not rich, divorced TWICE, drove a 16-year old truck with 180,000 miles, which was always dirty from driving into construction areas filled with tools. At least this lady I knew settled for much less when reality set in. *shrug*

    We saw this same lunacy with that TV reporter lady from CBN (Christian Broadcast Network) Wendy Griffith. She is now 54, never married. All the guys she meets are way below her and God has literally spoken to Wendy that she deserves much more (see: https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2017/12/11/the-heartache-of-entitlement/ ) and why she is STILL single at age 54! 🙄

    I agree that God wants to bless His children. But people like this lady I know, Rosa,and even Wendy Griffith think God is Santa Claus. You see TV scam artists like Creflo Dollar who has 2 Lamborghinis and a $70 Million Dollar private jet, all financed by his stupid Atlanta-based followers or TV’s Kenneth Copeland who said only “demons” fly commercial airplanes and why he needed 2 (two) private jets! 🙄 They all say the same “send us money and God will double or triple whatever you send”. To women they say “follow us, donate money here and you will get a man so amazing, Jesus Christ will be calling your future husband for advice!” LOL 🙄

    In Brazil, they have this church scam network called “Igreja Universal do Reino de Deus” (Universal Church of Kingdom of Money… I mean “God”), headed by Bishop Edir Macedo. I saw this scammer rise to prominence back in 1995 when I lived in Brazil as a teenager (my Dad worked for US consulate in Rio, so I lived there 4 years). Anyway, Bishop Macedo has scammed so much cash from the poor and highly uneducated people of Brazil, he is now one of the top 10 richest men in Brazil, a poor country of 200 million people. His estimated fortune $2 BILLION US Dollars. (Read in English about this satanic preacher/thief here if you are curious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edir_Macedo )

    Hah…. I did not even know the Baptists had churches in Communist Cuba. Religion has been illegal in Cuba since 1960s, not even Catholics have mass there, so never heard of Cuban Baptists! Must be new thing… 😆

    I agree SOME in prison do commit heinous crimes due to satanic influence, like “The Son of Sam” (he has written extensively about this and he has become a Christian since then), but definitely not everyone in prison is possessed. Not even 1% of inmates are demon-possessed to commit crimes, would be my guess. And this is based on 6 years of Immigration and Criminal law work here talking. 😉 I met a lot of criminal aliens and US criminal, definitely not my experience dealing with them them.

    So Rosa believes in absolutist predestination, huh? Every second of our lives is predestine and only the Devil can derail stuff….. wow… Very extreme position.

    She believes in abortion and claims to be Baptist?!?!? Say whaaaaaaaaa……. 🙄

    Oh so she also thinks Jesus saying “you are forgiven….. go and sin no more” is a suggestion, not really Gospel, huh? 🙄 Women can rationalize any bad behavior they want. They are masters at this for sure. She can bang men out of wedlock and be forgiven KNOWING she is sinning on purpose…. nice. 🙄

    Do you know what is so frightening about this whole thing? Borderline insane people like that roam the streets. They get to drive a 2,000+ pound mobile weapon called a car, heavier and more deadly if they go for an SUV or truck! They get some nutty idea in their head that some pedestrians are “Satanic”, they can just mow a bunch of people down.

    Can you imagine marrying someone this unbalanced?? One of my friends said to me “the most stable woman is an unstable guy”. I refused to believe this for the longest time, but maybe he had a point……… 😮

  116. ChristianCool says:

    @BillyS

    I believe God blesses His Children with much more than just the basics. I sure am blessed with MUCH more than just my basic needs. Not an oligarch, but between middle and upper-middle classes. I wear custom-fit Italian suits and drive a very cool convertible with no shame or guilt. I work hard for this and bless others as I can.

    I do NOT begrudge wealth and money. “But remember the Lord your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth, and so confirms his covenant, which he swore to your ancestors, as it is today.” Deuteronomy 8:18

    But to think God is like a bank, where you send a fake Prosperity Gospel scam artist money and I will get x2 to x5 times as much in “heavenly interest” is absurd.

    No one enjoys poverty. But giving too much is also a way to poverty. The favorite verse of Christian Marxists is Acts 4:32-36, where “The Believers Share Their possessions”. The result? The church in Jerusalem became so poor Paul had to do a collection for them later on.

    The Christian Marxists never read the next part in Acts 5:4 where Peter which says “Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”

    I LOVE capitalism and wealth. I do not deny it. But to think some TV scam artist and people like Bishop Macedo (see my post above) has a direct line to God and triple whatever you give them is insanity and naiveté to an extreme.

    Very interesting that it is mostly women that sit in pews of Bishop Macedo churches and women are often the ones that give money to TV scam artists to buy private jets and Lamborghinis.

    Just sayin’.

  117. ChristianCool says:

    (Continued from above…)

    Men here are not in an echo chamber and the DATA has been clear that men are avoiding marriage in record numbers. One perfect example is this article related to our “Bachelor Nation” https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/bachelor-nation-70-men-aged-20-34-are-not-married . These cannot all be “ManoSphere men”; this is a societal reality in America today, period. There are only so many train wreck divorces and families ruined that young men can standby and watch before they run away from even the idea of a live-in girlfriend.

    Even men who are Betas and whose minds reside well outside the ManoSphere KNOW very well Marriage 2.0 in America today is a terrible legal and financial deal for them. The number of men who are clueless or “hopelessly romantic” about the realities of Marriage 2.0 are much less than even we think (see Bachelor Nation link above).

    Amazingly, I even know men who dismiss concepts of “game” and even MGTOW and yet, they refuse to marry. I had a former co-worker tell me that after the living hell he went through over 3 year period with his contentious ex-wife got him to say to me “if they pass a law forcing all men to marry, I would kill myself or escape the country”. The young men of America have seen too many marriage-rape disasters around them. No matter how desperate some of these Betas out there may be, they refuse to marry.

    Fourth, keep in mind women that have ridden the Cock Carousel for too long develop this “Minimums Mindset” as I call it (“MM”). They think once they have banged a guy with a 12″ dick, any man with less than that is “subpar” for her. This is often applied to wealth, status, physical features, coolness factor, and many other categories. Once a woman has dated or even had a ONS hook-up with men who are extremely fit or who is wealthy or who is an independent CEO, have a 6-pack, or who is a true bad boy, they take these different men and create a “new standard” whereas her future mate MUST have ALL such attributes. 😮 In the female mentality of “have it all”, they create a super-human male that does not exist even in comic books or movies. Once she fails to marry this super-human that has never existed in real life, she will hate that sucker and will make his life a living hell for it.

    Do not believe me in this “MM” list of minimum attributes argument I am making? This “Minimums Mindset” is one of the reasons you have women who crashed and burned seeking out superman wrote books like “Marry Him!” encouraging younger women to stop this insane mentality. Others go on Marxist publications like The Atlantic or NYT and urge women to be mindful if their standards are too high, they will be single forever. This is a well-known issue for women and why they are always constantly unhappy with the men in their life, especially if they marry a Beta later in life.

    Finally, when you combine the trend of men avoiding marriage (heck, even the few willing Beta males these days are not even ABLE to get married), you have a perfect storm. It is a known fact that very few of our entitled women will even consider marrying a Beta and if she does, it is going to be a “Drive-by marriage” where she gets knocked up fast and gets the Beta’s help during the first worst years of child’s life, cucks him, and then sues him for all he has got and enjoy decades of child support for “her kid”. beta, even if gets to be the “sperm donor” in this case, will rarely or never get to see his child(ren). Throw in the fact that most American women standards for men are insanely high and unrealistic (hypergamy + 15 years magical years of womanhood have warped their minds from reality – http://www.returnofkings.com/9932/the-15-magical-years-of-womanhood ), you have a situation that most women WILL end up alone, bitter, and angry.

    I want to leave you all with this thought once again: incentives matter!! As Red Pill men, it is OUR SACRED DUTY to alert young men NOT to marry some post-Wall “reformed slut” later in life. It is our job to make sure the next generation of Fem-sluts hit the wall hard, crashes, and burns. Why should our young men reward women for such deplorable behavior??? It makes no sense to perpetuate this horrible situation and allow young men to suffer needlessly.

    As Dalrock said in the OP “…if they fail to marry and have children… their wacky adventure decade plus of extended courtship, looks like a path of sad, slutty failure.” I say “Amen” to that!!! 🙂 Let us make sure the FemiNazis wacky adventures DOES indeed end up being a massive failure for these women!!! That is the only way we can give a chance for the generation after that to learn some lessons and will hopefully get their act together and make better choices in life and restore a more sane relationship system.

  118. OKRickety says:

    Oscar said:

    Jeff Strand said: “Even if I was weak and fell into the arms of another chick…

    “That’s awfully passive.”

    Especially for such an Alpha man! ROTFL!

  119. Jeff Strand says:

    @CC: “Do you know what is so frightening about this whole thing? Borderline insane people like that roam the streets.”

    Oh man, if I had a dollar for everytime I’ve had that exact thought! You don’t stop to think that the person in line with you at the coffee shop, or sitting next to you in traffic at the red light, is seriously mentally deranged and full-on delusional. But these people are out there, semi-functioning in society. And looking to date. It’s scary.

    Another quick Rosa story. Before she lost her office job with the county, there was a guy there she liked. So by saying “guy that she liked”, I mean that in her mind they were already married and having kids. He was her husband.

    Meanwhile, back on THIS planet, the guy had never even asked her to join him for a quick drink after work. Or asked for her phone number, nothing. But oh, the way he would make small talk with her in the copy room, she just knew he wanted to marry her, lol.

    Well, one day he announces to the office that he and his gf had just gotten engaged. Rosa is so devastated at this news that she spent the whole weekend in her house, with the drapes closed, crying. She told me this. It’s like something out of the movie “Fatal Attraction”!

    Just imagine if that guy knew that his female coworker at work, whom he only knows as a fellow employee, was this obsessed with him. I imagine he would be pretty freaked out!

  120. Jeff Strand says:

    Also, a friend of mine just had a 15 year relationship end. He had been married twice before and was very careful not to marry this chick, though they did live together. He never had kids with her either – she had a kid from a prior deal, who will now be turning 18 in a matter of months.

    My friend got tired of supporting this chick. She wanted him spending money on her all the time, and she wouldn’t hold down a job. So he booted her out. He gave her $10k on her way out the door, to help get rid of her.

    Well, that was very smart on his part. A small loss now to avoid a big one later. She moved out, went through that 10 grand in lightening speed, and is now broke and living with her parents (she’s early 40’s, btw. My friend is mid 50’s). And what can she do now? Her name is not on his house, they have no propert to split, there is no divorce to go through, no child support, etc.

    His house is worth $650k, and he owns it free and clear. If he had married her, she’d have a claim on it. Sounds like he chose wisely.

  121. CSI says:

    “Do you know what is so frightening about this whole thing? Borderline insane people like that roam the streets.”

    Thankfully the great majority of mentally ill people aren’t violent, and are very likely to be homeless – if they are men. Here’s why there are so many more homeless men than woman. As crazy as she is, Rosa could easily have found a man, or string of men, willing to look after her if her hypergamy hadn’t been so completely out of control. Even toocrazy2you’s morbidly obese, eating disordered, delusional ex managed to find a husband after she ditched him.

    He had been married twice before and was very careful not to marry this chick, though they did live together.

    Smart guy. But of course women, not just feminists, will say he really should be forced to give her half his stuff regardless, for all the unpaid “domestic labor” she did. I’ve tried arguing with women online that they tend to overestimate the value of housework. This falls on deaf ears.

  122. earl says:

    Outside of the one reason…I would have no idea why any guy would live with a woman he isn’t married to.

  123. JRob says:

    @Christian Cool
    “Minimums Mindset” = the search for the BBD (Bigger Better Deal) = Hypergamy = WGAF.
    Good post.

  124. ChristianCool says:

    @earl

    Because such a man wants to have kid(s) and NOT marry the woman. Some men are OK with raising kid(s) with such a woman in LTR situation and even live together with a lawfully executed roommate agreement but not marry her – ever. Marriage 2.0 is such a horrific deal, it greatly increases a man’s financial, legal, and criminal exposure the second the woman wants out of marriage.

    Actor John Cena made his girlfriend sign a 75-page contract before he allowed her to move-in with him:

    https://people.com/tv/john-cena-nikki-bella-contract/

    Smart man.

    Simply put: Child support is survivable. It will hurt like hell financially, hurt your kids, create emotional turmoil…. but it is survivable.

    Divorce r@pe + child support is NOT survivable. Losing your 100% of your primary residence/house, losing your best car forcibly given to your ex-, losing your job (after she falsely accuse man of crime to get house in divorce guaranteed and when you get arrested), losing most of your future income (in alimony, in addition to child support), losing at least 50%+ of all your current savings, losing at least 50% of your pension, and losing at least 50% of your 401(k) is not survivable when you add in child support.

    Marriage 2.0 + kids = death to a man. Might as well kill himself or run away from country. It is not survivable by most middle class males.

    That is only reason to allow a woman to move in with the man. And like Cena, the man should demand a pre-written agreement to allow her in. Does not have to be 75-pages, but needs to be done and executed properly with lawyer’s advice.

  125. ChristianCool says:

    @innocentbystanderboston

    Best and funniest definition of Feminism I heard in a long time. LOL 😆 I just texted this to a friend.

    @Jeff Strand

    It sounds like Rosa has a very vivid imagination (I am being kind here)! 😮 She seems to think adult life = 4th grade when a cute boy she liked = her future husband! LOL 😆 I wonder if the infantilization of American women has something to do with it. This is very common with Millennials, where “safe spaces” and “cry rooms” are the norm.

    But for someone like Rosa (I am assuming she is “Silent Generation” (Baby Buster, the gen that came after Baby Boomers), she did not grow up with “Safe spaces” or “cry rooms”, so for her to react like that to some guy she never met or talked to shows some real mental problems! Maybe she created a whole thing in her head about it?

    As for your friend who had 2 ex’s and then managed to get rid of his 3rd live-in girlfriend…. wow, he got away easily with only giving her $10 grand as “moving out costs”!!! He learned a lesson after 2 divorces, so I am glad. 😉

    She could have caused a lot and I mean a LOT of problems. for him.

    First, he lucked out he did not live in a common law marriage State (list: http://www.ncsl.org/research/human-services/common-law-marriage.aspx ).

    Second, your friend lucked out she took $10k and left. She is probably gonna spend it all at DSW shoes and Gucci purses, I bet! 🙄

    Third, without a lease agreement specifying woman moving in = tenant, she could create a lot of LEGAL problems for him when he asked her to move out after they broke up. First, the second someone gets their ID/Driver’s License and receives 1 letter with their name and address on it (at your friend’s house), that becomes their “lawful primary residence”. I know this sounds crazy, but that is the law in almost every State.

    Once she has 1 letter and her ID changed to that address, bam, she is a resident there. If he wants to throw her out, she can challenge it legally in court. She can ask for hearing in court, which would delay her departure for months on end where she is living rent-free! 😮 She could also call cops on man and say he beat her and get a restraining order against man, just as a wife could. That could drag on for well over 1 year, where she is living in rent-free and if he tries to turn off utilities in house, she can petition judge for injunction to prevent him from doing so!!! 😮

    Ultimately, she would have to leave under court order, but she could have caused this man a lot of problems. So he should be thanking The Almighty he left with $10 grand. That is peanuts compared to massive costy he could have incurred! 🙂

    The way to have a woman move-in is to make her a TENANT with a month-to-month lease, properly executed and signed before a notary. I have had clients that did this to their live-in GFs before they moved in (in Colorado, a State with Common Law marriage scam). The men (my client from a couple years ago) even declared and paid income taxes on the supposed $300/mo rent she paid cash each month (it was on contract she would pay $300 cash)! That way it would solidly be established a tenant-landlord relationship in court, he could even show Judge he paid taxes on rent received (yes that is a small expense to man to pay taxes on cash never received, but cheaper than years of litigation with her once relationship was over). Rent income on $300/mo or $3,600/year is nothing for most middle class and upper middle-class taxpayers, so a worthwhile investment if you must allow woman to move in to your own house.

    Very wise male actor John Cena did this as well as I mentioned it before. You do not need a 75-page rental agreement before woman moves in with you, 2-3 pages should do. Call a local lawyer about this, costs very little to have such an agreement properly done (my old boss and supervising attorney would do these “live in girlfriend rental agreements for $750 flat fee, which seems high, but can save easily $10 to $15 GRAND in attorneys fees when trying to evict a Looney-toon ex-gf). This is the fear men live in America today, we have a legal system that abuses men like this.

    Before I forget, since we are in this subject I want to give this IMPORTANT INFO FOR ALL MEN:

    A Prenuptial Agreement (“Prenup”) = false sense of security. Many men fall into the “I will get married, even though I know it is a risky deal, but I will get a Prenup! Problem solved, I can marry safely now”! 🙄 Uh, no!!

    A Prenup CAN help reduce future Alimony for woman when she files for divorce, and MAYBE the Prenup protect some of the value of your pre-marital property, but a Family Law Judge (an Emperor in Black Robes) can throw out the Prenup for any reason at anytime. Good luck appealing Family Law decisions to higher court, because the laws stupidly allow judges wide discretion in this matter, so it is hard to appeal family court rulings, even ones that are grossely unfair. 😡

    There is no jury in Family Law courts. You will not have a sympathetic divorced man there to help you in jury. The Judge is judge, jury, and executioner in Family Law court.

    Once you are in divorce proceeding, your life, income, future, freedom, and legal rights belong to that one judge. One false move, one rude behavior in court, and she (the judge) will ruin your life. Buy a beer to any of your male divorced co-workers and they will tell you stories of the hell they went though.

    A Prenup, even one that is enforced to the T by a family law judge (and odds of you getting a Prenup fully-enforced are greatly against you on that since judges in Family Law are overwhelmingly Left), the Prenup only covers PAST owned property and PAST income/savings/etc.

    First you have to list approximate value of all property you have on Prenup, all your assets and liabilities (including savings accounts, precious metals in your safe, guns and their approx value, retirement accounts, stocks, all your debts, etc). Everything will be fully-disclosed and well-described.

    When divorce happens, you will pull the Prenup and say she is not entitled to the stuff on Prenup, right? Well, assuming the Judge enforces the Prenup exactly as written (which is a contract, BTW, one the judge has almost-unlimited discretion to enforce or not), woman will still get benefits from items listed in the Prenup.

    One item on Prenups that I have seen almost universally dismissed is any “future child custody and visitation plans”. The Judge will toss that provision out instantly, because judge says “everything has to be done in the best interest of the child”. 🙄 Since child is assumed to be “woman’s property”, she will benefit form child support from that.

    She may be limited in her claims to Alimony if that is a provision in Prenup (that is cash transfers from man to woman for divorcing you. Think of Alimony as a way for you to fund her wild lifestyle post-divorce). Some Judges will limit how much she can get based on a chart on Prenup, but others will toss out that provision if Judge thinks marriage was in good faith and lasted “enough years” to warrant Alimony. 😡 Man, I am telling you, this is a terrible situation.

    Here is what she is guaranteed to get, even if Prenup is perfect and enforced fully:

    *Any appreciation in value to your existing/Prenup protected home listed in the Prenup is 50% HERS. Say you listed $200,000 home in Prenup a couple years ago. But we have good economy now and real estate prices increased and house is worth $350,000 now. Guess what? She is entitled to 50% the appreciation in value. 😮

    Original value: $200,000 – this amount COULD technically be protected by Prenup;
    Current value during divorce: $350,000.
    Change in price/appreciation: +$150,000.
    Her share: 50% of $150,000 = $75,000!

    $75,000 is not bad cash, tax-free is not a bad ROI for her, huh? 🙄
    (If judge does not enforce Prenup, woman is then entitled to 50% of entire value of house, including original amount, so $350k home, she will get $175,000 cash payout, tax-free!!! 😮 )

    *Any new deposits/contributions in your personal 401(k) account + any future increase in value is 50% hers.

    Value of 401(k) listed on Prenup before marriage: $100,000 (includes all investments);
    Current value during divorce: $180,000
    Change in price/appreciation: +$80,000.
    Her share: 50% of $80,000 = $40,000!

    Again, what a deal FOR HER, huh? 😮

    *You buy a new house during marriage, 50% (or more) is guaranteed hers, including original amount you paid for home, often even if home was purchased with money you got from selling Prenup residence!!!

    *That new house (and even your Prenup-covered house) can be 100% hers if she falsely accuse you of violence against her and/or kid(s) and that is her “primary residence”. She simply uses the police to evict you from home and the family court to keep home in divorce. Once you are forcibly removed from the home, she is almost guaranteed the house in divorce.

    *If you have kids with her and she calls cops on you, she is almost guaranteed 100% of house and 100% child custody. You will see your kids, maybe when your ex- is in good mood, by Skype.

    Any post-Prenup acquisitions are NOT covered, unless she signs a POST-Nuptial agreement, which good luck getting her to sign that! 😆 I have never even seen one of these before in all my years, I know they exist, but are very rare as woman is not stupid to waive more rights after she is already married.

    Bottom line: Divorce is incredibly profitable, beneficial, and almost completely painless for women. The man is often forced to pay for her legal fees and attorney costs as well. The Family Law system is so rigged against men, it is amazing to me men, even Christian men, still marry in 2018. It must be blind faith or simple ignorance of legal and cultural realities of our society today.

    The only way men can “win” at this game with women is NOT to play the game or play using every available tool available to him to prevent women from ruining their lives.

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