US Marital Status Data Through 2017

I stumbled upon some new marital status data over at the US Census, and thought I’d share the charty goodness.  First up is the median age of marriage, going back to 1890:

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From the accompanying spreadsheet, you can see that the median age for women crossed into uncharted territory in 1979 at 22.1, breaking the 1890 record of 22.  For men, the median age of marriage didn’t exceed the 1890 value of 26.1 until 1989 when it was 26.2.  As of 2017 the median age of first marriage for men and women was 29.5 and 27.4, respectively.

But the median age of marriage only tells us about the men and women who do marry.  The next two charts give a bit of a look at marital status trends overall.

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Note that the top two lines on both charts (married and never married) are driven in part by the increase in age of first marriage.  When men and women marry later they spend a smaller percentage of their adult lives married, and a larger percentage counted as never married.

If they had the nevermarried data broken out by age bracket like I was able to do in the past, we’d have a better understanding of how much of the trend is delayed marriage vs not marrying:

The other limitation with the Census charts included above is that changing racial and ethnic demographics could be driving part of the changes we see.  Marriage and divorce rates vary widely by race, so it could be that the changes we are seeing in recent decades are due more to racial and ethnic changes than due to an overall societal trend.  Fortunately the Census offers a spreadsheet with the marital status data broken down by race and ethnicity.  I didn’t take the time to chart this out for all races, but here is what it looks like for White* men and women:

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I’d love to see the same breakdown for Blacks, Hispanics, and Asians, but for the sake of time I stopped where I did.  If you decide to chart this out yourself please let me know so I can add a link to your charts.

*The data in the two charts I just created is different from the data I’ve charted out in the past because 1)  It isn’t broken out by age.  and 2)  The former is for White, and the latter is White alone non Hispanic.

Edit:  I updated the two new charts to show continuous lines.

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90 Responses to US Marital Status Data Through 2017

  1. Interesting. I wonder why age of first marriage was so old back in 1890.

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  3. Nick Mgtow says:

    The trend of US non-hispanic white women never married during the years, its constant growth is astounding!

  4. Danny says:

    It would be interesting to know how much shacking up has contributed to these trends, and if living together were counted as married and breaking up were counted as divorced, how the numbers would then look.

  5. Anonymous Reader says:

    In the latter part of the 19th century the dominant culture taught that men should be established in a trade, profession or other business prior to marrying. The route for a man was primary schooling then either some more school or work. An apprentice would move up to being a craftsman / skilled labor after a few years; a professional (doctor / lawyer / clergy) would need a few years to establish a practice.

    Women were expected to learn all the tasks involved in running a household, such as cooking from scratch (make chicken & dumplings starting with a fresh killed chicken, sack of flour, etc.), maintain a kitchen garden, wash clothes (start by building a fire in the back yard to heat water), keep house, tend to children, etc. and etc. Any women who went to work in such fields as nursing or teaching were expected to drop out of the paid work force upon marriage.

    When you start working for money at the age of 16, you can be pretty well established by the age of 24 to 26. Although there were plenty of men who married younger; remember, this is an average.

    Note that the standard model taught to girls now is what men were expected to do 120 years ago: school -> apprentice -> establish as reliable worker =>marriage.

    How’s that working out for all of us, rhetorically speaking?

  6. feeriker says:

    Note that the standard model taught to girls now is what men were expected to do 120 years ago: school -> apprentice -> establish as reliable worker =>marriage.

    How’s that working out for all of us, rhetorically speaking?

    Well, since all of these StrongIndependentEmpoweredWomen[TM] are in the lead in terms of their numbers in universities and in the “white collar” professions and are FINALLY proving that they don’t need no stinkin’ bicycles, everything must be working out hunky-dory, right?

    (I’m assuming that for those who are regulars here, I don’t need [SARCASM][/SARCASM] tags to bracket that statement.)

  7. honeycomb says:

    Since we will never go back to any previous years norms (male v female helpmate model .. aka Patriarchy) .. I’d be happy if these net drains on society (aka th wimminz) would close the FULL-TIME-HOURS-WORKED-GAP ..

    They aren’t pulling the wagon like the men folk .. and it’s about time that men demand th wimminz close that gap in full time hours worked.

    I’ve got a retirement on the line here folks .. lol

    ..
    ..

    Let these wimminz folk keep getting closer to my dream of these bishes gettin’ exactly what they asked for .. careers errr soul sucking errr full-time errr hard dirty errr any job that empowers you (ladies) to work till you retire.

    I don’t want you menz crushing my dreams .. they’ve earned my deepest prayers to work till they drop. Just like men folk.

  8. Luke says:

    honeycomb says:
    August 24, 2018 at 6:05 pm
    “Since we will never go back to any previous years norms (male v female helpmate model .. aka Patriarchy)”

    Don’t be so sure about that. History would predict otherwise.
    Societies that put the FI as top priority get the demographic/economic/disorder/disaffection issues we have, the late Roman Empire had, etc, quite routinely. They then either turn it around by pro-patriarchal elements outbreeding the anti- (best case), die out naturally (somewhat worse case; Japan is headed this way, as is Iran if no one invades them), or get conquered/unpleasantly absorbed/extincted by societies that didn’t go anywhere near as feminist. So, WE may not see the end of feminism, but this territory assuredly will.

  9. Acknowledged Midwit says:

    The most interesting part to me of the chart is how both marriages are decreasing and divorce is increasing but it has slightly reversed in the last two years. If I’m reading the methodology right, someone who is remarried is not included in the divorced numbers unless they stay divorced at the time of the survey.

    From 1990 to 2017 white men divorced and stayed divorced increased 2.2% vs 2.6% for white women. Not a whole lot of difference but still higher for women than men.

    Would this increasing gap be the indication of people at the margins of the marriage market being burned and dropping out? That women who divorce are increasingly being considered a risk? Especially by men who have divorced before.

    Or is this an indication of reaching the point that more people are starting to stay married? That men have chosen more carefully when getting married and now there is a small inflection point in which couples will stay married at a slightly higher rate than before.

    Or maybe I’m just reading too much into one data point when there have been upticks in the right direction before.

  10. honeycomb says:

    Luke .. brother ..

    Thank you for op-toe-miss-sum .. though .. I don’t share your view (re: never) .. it should be noted I rarely use 100% qualifiers .. though it seems appropiate in this case.

    When th wimminz are forced into the dirty and hazardous jobs .. then we might see your dream. Either way .. I win .. fund my retirement you part-time slackers (aka th wimminz).

  11. Luke says:

    honeycomb says:
    August 24, 2018 at 6:34 pm
    “Luke .. brother ..
    Thank you for op-toe-miss-sum .. though .. I don’t share your view (re: never) .. it should be noted I rarely use 100% qualifiers .. though it seems appropiate in this case.
    When th wimminz are forced into the dirty and hazardous jobs .. then we might see your dream.”

    Hi, honeycomb. You may enjoy this brief excerpt (do read the whole thing, it’s excellent) from the authoress Taylor Caldwell’s excellent essay “They’re Spoiling Eve’s Great Con Game”:
    http://www.ladiesagainstfeminism.com/theme-articles/theyre-spoiling-eves-great-con-game-by-taylor-caldwell/

    “Remember this: The strongest sign of the decay of a naiton is the feminization of men and the masculinization of women. It is notable that in Communist nations women are exhorted, and compelled, to do what has traditionally been men’s work. American women, some of them, feel triumphant that they have broken down the “barricades” between the work of the sexes. I hope they will still feel triumphant when some commissar forces a shovel or an axe into their soft hands and compels them to pound and cut forests and dig ditches. I hope they will be “happy” when a husband deserts them and they must support their children and themselves alone. (After all, if a woman must be “free” she shouldn’t object to men being free too, should she?”) I hope they will feel “fulfilled” when they are given no more courtesies due to their sex, and no kindnesses, but are kicked aside on the subways and buses by men, and jostled out of the way by men on busy sidewalks and in elevators. I hope that no man will extend mercy to them because of obvious pregnancies, but will rudely tell them that that is no excuse to shirt a day’s heavy labor, and they should be like Russian women. I hope they will be proud when some court demands that they support “delicate” husbands for a lifetime, and pay alimony. I hope, when they look in their mirrors, that they will be pleased to see exhausted and embittered faces, and that they will be consoled by their paychecks.”

  12. honeycomb says:

    Luke brother .. yes .. I’ve read it.

    Here is a lengthy lil gem that .. if you wait till the end .. or just skip to the end .. offers what we should demand out of our wimminz .. to help speed this train to its final destination .. no pressure .. when will th wimminz contribute equally?

  13. Luke says:

    Honeycomb, I can’t watch videos here. Do you know of a transcript for that?

  14. honeycomb says:

    @ Luke .. sorry bro .. I don’t have this in transcripted form .. tho I’ll check around for you.

  15. honeycomb says:

    Luke when you get time .. I’ll try again later .. the video is Colttaine .. and the title is “equal contribution” .. I’m looking on reddit .. it migjt be gone (re transcripts).

  16. Zippy says:

    “Divorced and remarried” should be a distinct category in order to really make sense of the trends. That isn’t a complaint — it might be impossible or prohibitively difficult to break out the data that way. But offhand it seems hard to reconcile divorce rates with the “divorced” trend line, and without specifically breaking out “divorced and remarried” as a distinct state the whole serial monogamy trend is somewhat hidden.

    Now I have to reread the post to see if what I just wrote is foolishness.

  17. Two interpretive points:
    (1) The chart about median age of first marriage is certainly surprising for having a ‘U’ shape. It looks like the women’s median age turns up sooner or at least more smoothly and purposefully than the men’s. If so, I uncertainly interpret that to mean that women started playing the betray game in the late 1950s and men did not realize the difference until the early 1970s. Men are the romantics: look at the steep declines.
    (2) The chart of never-married white women by cohort is disturbing proof that white feminist women are winning big time. The key is the drop in slope from one cohort to the next oldest cohort. The precipitous drop in never-marrieds is between cohort 30-35 and cohort 45-49, and it drops back to nearly level! They get married if they want to get married 9 out of 10 times at least. Meghan Markle is no fluke. A two percent slip in 15 years is minuscule. I’m surprise, but of course the data stops at 2014. Hard to know what it is now, except did I mention Ms. Prince Harry?

  18. Jonathan Castle says:

    Age of 1st marriage (AOFM) for women can’t really go past the fertility window. Will a guy who wants a family marry a 35 year-old? And will guys who don’t want kids marry at all?

    If the AOFM trend continues, expect continued surge in never married’s.

    Willingly or not, women are playing a high-stakes game of chicken with their closing womb.

  19. honeycomb says:

    JC asks ..
    ++++++
    Age of 1st marriage (AOFM) for women can’t really go past the fertility window. Will a guy who wants a family marry a 35 year-old?
    ++++++

    Actually .. AOFM will go much higher before it peaks.

    These wimmimz are now freezing their eggs even earlier. Especially after the failed attempts by there peers to con-see-vee after waiting till their 30’s to freeze their eggs.

    So .. they will freeze eggs in their early 20’s and if they have to .. even though we know it’s a bad idea .. they will go it alone, if they have to.

    This trend is in full flight already.

  20. Jonathan Castle says:

    “Actually .. AOFM will go much higher before it peaks.”

    Yeah. I suspect it will rise past 28 on the way to 30 before tapering off. Beyond that you would end up with a bulge of desparare thirty-somethings swimming upstream for marriage like so many salmon getting picked apart by hungry bears.

    This is all about women taking as much value out of marriage from men as they can to maximize their rock-star carousel years. (Search for Dalrock’s classic post on the devaluation of marriage.)

  21. AngloSaxon says:

    Why do Americans get married earlier than the British? The average age of first marriage (as of 2015 from the office of national statistics) for women is 35.1 in the UK!

  22. honeycomb says:

    @ JC ..

    I’m not an expert on what number it will finally achieve .. but my guess would be 35-40% (currently apprx 26.9% for 30 to 34 year old wimminz) before we start seeing dread in the younger girls that would change its trajectory.

    Maybe nothing changes the trajectory .. as wimminz wait .. more and more men slowly become more and more dis-interested .. and that info makes it to younger men at social media speed.

  23. Novaseeker says:

    The chart of never-married white women by cohort is disturbing proof that white feminist women are winning big time. The key is the drop in slope from one cohort to the next oldest cohort. The precipitous drop in never-marrieds is between cohort 30-35 and cohort 45-49, and it drops back to nearly level! They get married if they want to get married 9 out of 10 times at least. Meghan Markle is no fluke. A two percent slip in 15 years is minuscule.

    Yes, this is what I see as well. This is because of the inequality in sex drive. There are generally plenty of men around for women to marry when they want to marry unless … the woman is far too picky or is very unattractive (obese, generally). For normal looking women who are not overly picky there are tons of men available for them to marry at 30, 35, 40 and even 45+. In order for that to change, fewer men would have to be willing to marry them. The manosphere is unrepresentative in this sense because there is a huge MGTOW component in the manosphere, which is not replicated in the real world — in the real world, there are always enough thirsty/interested men around for when a normal looking woman decides she wants to get married, provided she isn’t trying to overshoot and she isn’t morbidly obese.

    Yeah. I suspect it will rise past 28 on the way to 30 before tapering off. Beyond that you would end up with a bulge of desparare thirty-somethings swimming upstream for marriage like so many salmon getting picked apart by hungry bears.

    European countries are already north of 30. It will continue going up until the mid to later 30s I think when it’s “last call for alcohol” in terms of fertility, even with treatments. Why? Because women want to maximize everything else in their lives before the settle down and have kids, and because men generally do whatever women want when it comes to what women set as the entry demands for sex and relationships.

  24. Dave says:

    So, WE may not see the end of feminism, but this territory assuredly will.

    I totally agree. Feminism is simply unsustainable. Even the women, who have an uncanny ability to focus like an eagle on their own self preservation even at the detriment of all else, are keenly aware of this. Hence the popular “women against feminism” movement on social media.
    It only takes a generation of red-pilled men to undo years of feminist progress.

    Many men are adopting the minimalist lifestyle. It is a pretty addictive lifestyle and very destructive to the status quo. Apart from the direct effects of the minimalists on the economy, due to their reduced purchasing powers, these people pay very little taxes to prop up the state.
    Skill-based immigration may stem the tide of this downward spiral for a time, but I doubt it will be enough to stop it entirely. Hard times are ahead. And feminism will likely never survive it.

  25. feministhater says:

    If the never married of white women is 26%. That means 74% do get married. 9% are widowed. That leaves 65%. Appox. 43% of those first marriages divorce, leaving married but never divorced making up 37% of the 54% of those still married found on the graph above, the rest being made of divorced but remarried. 54% – 37% = 17% divorced but remarried.

    Rough figures to be sure. Rounding up or down errors to be found galore.

  26. bdash 77 says:

    sorry OT but just had a huge argument with my pastor….

    A young couple from church divorced and everyone supports the Girl even though she slept with another man. ( he divorced her)
    ” How terrible of a man was he that his wife would walk into another man’s arms”…..
    The father “rescued” his daughter and everyone looks after her
    The church has isolated the husband

    WTF?!!

    Apparently him expecting her to support his mission and work was selfish , a man must live for his wife first….

    I objected and said
    “If a husband cheats because his wife never has sex with him is it her fault?”

    their answer pissed me off….

    and this is on of the MOST conservative churches in the nation

  27. feministhater says:

    Sorry, made a fuck up. It’s 28, not 37… leaving 26% divorced but remarried.

  28. feministhater says:

    Dalrock, please delete the above comment made at 7:41am and leave the one at 7:32am. Thank you.

  29. Heidi says:

    Sorry to hear it, bdash 77. My church has removed two members for breaking marriages: One was a man who left his wife to live with his mistress (and would not return to his wife); one was a woman who frivorced her husband after decades of marriage, although she was exhorted to repent many times. This is how it should be, not this nasty coverup of infidelity.

  30. feministhater says:

    and this is on of the MOST conservative churches in the nation

    Conservative does not equal Biblical. Remember that.

  31. Rick says:

    Just as a side note….

    To those who are talking about your retirement and the potential reality of women potentially finally equally contributing to society, I hope you’re seriously keeping an eye on and participating in the mid-term elections. If the progressive left ever attain the political power they seek, I believe single white men become target number one. You think divorce court highly favors women now? The way the progressive left talks about white men is reminiscent of the way German government talked about Jews before the holocaust. Just look at what has happened and is happening to white farmers in Africa.

    I believe we are one incident away from something terrible happening to are country. If something happens to Trump ( impeached/assassinated/ect) I believe all bets are off. I don’t know how much more middle America is going to take.

    I also want to clarify this isn’t intended to some type of white supremacist viewpoint. Only an acknowledgment of our current political climate. Get ready men.

  32. Jonathan Castle says:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_age_at_first_marriage

    Sweden, peak feminsim? Men: 36, Women:33.5

    https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Marriage_and_divorce_statistics

    Accompanied by (much) lower marriage rates overall in Europe and higher divorce rates. And a higher rate of non-married couples.

  33. Novaseeker says:

    Accompanied by (much) lower marriage rates overall in Europe and higher divorce rates. And a higher rate of non-married couples.

    More of that is coming here, at least in terms of lower marriage rates and people substituting cohabitation for marriage in larger numbers. Here, so far, the lowering rates of marriage have been lowering divorce rates overall … it will be interesting to see if that reverses. My guess is that it won’t because the lowering marriage rate is resulting in marriage becoming the preserve of the educated middle and upper middle, and they tend to have low divorce rates. What seems to be happening in the US is that fewer and fewer lower middle and lower are ever getting married, or are marrying young, divorcing and not remarrying, which drives the overall marriage rate down, but the educated middle and upper middle are getting married, but later (after education and career formation), and have lower divorce rates — hence lower marriage rates, higher first age at marriage, and lower divorce rates.

    The wildcard is whether we go full European where even the educated upper middle often does not marry in many cases but simply cohabits long term — we aren’t there. Will we get there? We will see.

  34. feeriker says:

    I totally agree. Feminism is simply unsustainable. Even the women, who have an uncanny ability to focus like an eagle on their own self preservation even at the detriment of all else, are keenly aware of this. Hence the popular “women against feminism” movement on social media.

    Absolutely laughable, that “Women Against Feminism” bullshit. If such women really existed in significant numbers, they would be much more visible and having much more of an impact in terms of changing the status quo. The truth, as all of us hereabouts know, is that the miniscule fraction of a percent of such women out there who do exist are completely passive, lazy, and complacent and not about to make any waves (Lori Alexander, God bless her, is an extreme aberration, and, alas, is making less of an impact than what’ is really needed, despite her very best efforts, simply because 1) she is outnumbered and 2) her “Christian” sisters who should be firmly on her side and fighting the good fight with her are mostly soldiers in Satan’s feminist army).

    Yes, feminism is sustainable only in societies with squanderable excess wealth that permits it to continue. The shiny silver lining to the otherwise dark cloud of the coming-soon-to-your-society economic collapse in the Western world is that this excess wealth is already gone. Reality simply hasn’t been able to fully assert itself yet.

  35. Opus says:

    The real reason for the rise in age of marriage is that men are selfishly refusing to marry and thus women are being forced to become unwed mothers. I foresee a time when only the elderly and people of the same sex, that is to say people who cannot reproduce, marry, marriage then being seen as a reward for a lifetimes service, a little bit like receiving a gold-watch on retirement. Sweden (whose men are in my view the most cucked on the planet, a cucking to which I am proud to say I have contributed) leads the way!

  36. ray says:

    Novaseeker — “The manosphere is unrepresentative in this sense because there is a huge MGTOW component in the manosphere, which is not replicated in the real world — in the real world, there are always enough thirsty/interested men around for when a normal looking woman decides she wants to get married, provided she isn’t trying to overshoot and she isn’t morbidly obese.”

    Yes. This is the fem-failsafe that keeps the whole evil scheme going.

    The Thirsties represent perhaps seventy percent of the adult male population in the United Sisterhood of Amerika. Satan has constructed a culture which dangles girls before males beginning in teen years — think Miley Cyrus, Lindsey Lohan, the lot. A new crop comes out every year, to replace the former princesses who are now total Hollywood whores. Who later go on to prey on men via #MeToo. It’s a two-fer!

    America is the most sexualized nation the world’s ever seen, and it ain’t accidental. U.S. males are kept in a state of borderline sexual excitement, and frustration, from puberty until old age. Now, that seventy percent of Thirsties is NOT going to have access to ANY of these type females until they are a lot older, and necessarily richer. When they hit 30, 35, 40, and even beyond, they STILL retain the sexual imagoes deeply implanted since their early teens. And they will do ANYTHING to fulfill the frustrated desires they’ve carried, typically for decades. Satan knows all this and it ain’t new.

    Thus when some post-wall, used-up skank (w/kids or not) decides at age 34, or 44, or sometimes even 54, that she is ready to ‘settle down’ and bilk the money, energy, and expertise these men have built up for decades, it is easy pickins amongst this 70 percent cohort. I witnessed this over and over amongst males in my (former) family and friends. AT LAST, you see, his big moment finally has come! and at last he finally is allowed access to that which he’s drooled after for the prior two or three decades. To him, these rancid bimbos are the best he’s ever gonna do, and baby don’t they know it, and he doesn’t see reality in her, he sees the imago formed in his youth, and he desperately wants satisfaction of that imago, and the ‘status’ of FINALLY marrying and ‘having’ his dream-girl. See everybody! See! I’M cool and desired enough to land a looker too! No matter that she’s 40years old.

    If you point out the truth to them, they will only go ballistic, because you’re puncturing the Perfect Bubble they’ve carried around most of their lives. You’re taking away their One Big Moment in life, their long-sought victory. They are easy prey for post-wall women, and already are subjugated,even before civil marriage takes place. These chumps are everywhere in America, including ‘conservative’ politics and the Repugnicant Party. Do you imagine that these Thirsties — of whatever political or religious persuasion — are going to stand up to Total Feminism? They are going to do what they’re told, which is aid, abet, fund, and enforce the gynarchy.

    Well that’s a thumbnail of the scam anyway, I could go into detail but hopefully the gist is here.

  37. Anonymous Reader says:

    Europe is further down this road and has been for a couple of decades. In the northern countries, especially the Nordics (Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark) back in the late 1990’s it had become normal for a young man and woman to cohabit, but typically marry after the birth of their first child. In this century that has steadily been changing to “cohabit then marry after birth of second child”.

    Marriage doesn’t give anything to women in the West that they can’t get “on their own[1]” in the material sense. That leaves social pressure, emotional satisfaction and religious requirements. The social pressure is stronger / strongest in the middle / upper middle / upper economic classes, the emotional satisfaction seems more associated with getting married rather than being married.

    Religious requirements are all over the map depending on denomination, but frankly they may still be the strongest of the three in the US. The vast majority of weddings in my social circle over the last 5 or more years have involved people who are regularly attending a church.

    [1] Much of the stuff that women can “get on their own” is essentially handed to them for just showing up. Any girl of average intelligence and the slightest amount of self-motivation can get a BA in something or other and parlay that into a job with some company, because of all the extra benefits (Title IX, 8-A set asides, female-only scholarships, female-only tutoring, etc.) that are permanent parts of the social landscape. It doesn’t matter what the facts are, though, the emotional feeling is “I got this on my own! Through my own hard work! Meritocracy!”.

    Women in the West are their own Beta more and more, therefore they do not necessarily want a Beta to catch them.

  38. Novaseeker says:

    Sweden (whose men are in my view the most cucked on the planet, a cucking to which I am proud to say I have contributed) leads the way!

    Opus —

    Yup. This article is on point:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/10/opinion/sunday/paulina-porizkova-america-feminist.html

    Porizkova, the estranged (separated) wife of rock star Ric Ocasek is of Czech background but grew up in Sweden. Here is what she writes about Sweden from when she was growing up there — note that this was in the late 70s/early 80s before her modeling career[**] took her elsewhere in Europe:

    I was 9 when I first stepped into a Swedish school. Freshly arrived from Czechoslovakia, I was bullied by a boy for being an immigrant. My one friend, a tiny little girl, punched him in the face. I was impressed. In my former country, a bullied girl would tattle or cry. I looked around to see what my new classmates thought of my friend’s feat, but no one seemed to have noticed. It didn’t take long to understand that in Sweden, my power was suddenly equal to a boy’s.

    In Czechoslovakia, women came home from a long day of work to cook, clean and serve their husbands. In return, those women were cajoled, ignored and occasionally abused, much like domestic animals. But they were mentally unstable domestic animals, like milk cows that could go berserk you if you didn’t know exactly how to handle them.

    In Sweden, the housekeeping tasks were equally divided. Soon my own father was cleaning and cooking as well. Why? He had divorced my mother and married a Swedish woman.

    As high school approached, the boys wanted to kiss us and touch us, and the girls became a group of benevolent queens dispensing favors. The more the boys wanted us, the more powerful we became. When a girl chose to bestow her favors, the lucky boy was envied and celebrated. Slut shaming? What’s a slut?

    Condoms were provided by the school nurse without question. Sex education taught us the dangers of venereal diseases and unwanted pregnancy, but it also focused on fun stuff like masturbation. For a girl to own her sexuality meant she owned her body, she owned herself. Women could do anything men did, but they could also — when they chose to — bear children. And that made us more powerful than men. The word “feminist” felt antiquated; there was no longer a use for it.

    When I moved to Paris at 15 to work as a model, the first thing that struck me was how differently the men behaved. …

    Again she’s talking about circa 1982. Yes, Sweden is fully cucked. Women are the same everywhere, but the culture isn’t the same everywhere. Today it’s mostly the same in the West, but worse in some places than in others, and different outside the West.

    ——

    [**] Re that modeling career, references from the era, for younger readers: https://web.archive.org/web/20121113091223/http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/1984/0213_large.jpg, https://web.archive.org/web/20110609225048/http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/1985/0211_large.jpg.

  39. Opus says:

    I usually like Cottraine’s videos and the first seventy-five minutes of the honeyconb linked one above is of a high standard and then to my great surprise he lapses into what sounds to me like an apology as if to say ‘I did not really mean what I just said and really am a fully-paid up feminist as he recites his creed of feminist beliefs’. Very odd, such that I switched off at the eighty-minute mark.

    Sweden: let me put it this way. Had my experience with my Swedish-based ex-gf not taken place in Sweden but in say Saudi Arabia I do not think I would be here to tell the tale and were I still here I would be minus my testicles.

  40. Opus says:

    Europe is a large place with hundreds of countries. It may be fifty years ago this week that the tanks rolled into Prague but these days the Czech Republic is a place where plane-loads of the British and probably everyone else go for weekends of drunken promiscuous debauchery. The Russians were right! – The Czech Republic is now a brothel.

  41. earl says:

    ‘It didn’t take long to understand that in Sweden, my power was suddenly equal to a boy’s.’

    And then the Muslim men came.

  42. Anon says:

    Novaseeker,

    Yes, the thirst of beta males seems infinite. There is no shortage of women who manage to marry even if they are age 40, or even if they are single mothers.

    BUT…

    Don’t underestimate the ability of fanatics to go too far. I finally think there is something that will substantially kill the thirst of cuckservatives and manginas.

    Transgenderism.

    What a perverted state of mind one must have to believe they can change their gender when their chromosomes are XX if female and XY if male. This is stunningly ignorant of basic science. And yet, this lunacy is being pushed. Most transgenders appear to be MtoF.

    Now usually, the trans in question is too ugly to pass for a woman. But their techniques seem to be improving, and younger ones are able to pass for 5s. The typical blue-pill cuckservative or mangina cannot aim higher than that, and will be delighted that a 5 who is interested in sports, cars, or video games now wants to date them.

    Then, eventually, the extreme shock. The crying game moment for the cuckservative/mangina.

    This is will be hilarious and well-earned. And while trans people are still just a tiny fraction of people, I believe that fear of this will FINALLY get many cuckservative men to take pause. Their thirst will be killed. Plus, in the very near future, there will be VR Sex that does in fact feature real women.

    This outcome will also be well-earned for carousel-riding women. If large numbers of men avoid dating now that this ADDITIONAL risk has been added from just the 0.5% of ‘women’ that are actually men, then women will get mad.

    Any day now, we will see a headline of some real XX women complaining that MtoF trannies have scared off men to an extent that the XX woman’s dating prospects have shrunk.

    The point is, they will eventually destroy (or otherwise fail to thwart the redirection into VR of) the seemingly endless male thirst.

  43. Luke says:

    bdash 77 says:

    August 25, 2018 at 7:37 am
    “I objected and said
    “If a husband cheats because his wife never has sex with him is it her fault?””

    He didn’t cheat, he brought in a strikebreaker.
    (In a more just world, of course, he’d be routinely able to just fire his erstwhile wife, expelling her with no money then or in the future, and get child support from her if there are any children in the marriage.)

  44. Snowy says:

    Note to honeycomb: Cheers mate! Thanks for posting the YouTube video by “Colttaine” titled “Equal Contribution”. I watched significant portions of the rather long video. Excellent stuff! I also subscribed and fully watched his “The Man-O-Sphere”: in it he described the divisions of ‘MGTOW’, ‘MRAs’, ‘PUAs’, and ‘Anti-feminists’ – intelligently.

    He’s a very intelligent countryman of mine (Aussie) and well worth a subscription and listening. If SeventiesJason is around, I especially recommend him to him. As far as I can tell, true MGTOW is the closest thing to the Apostle Paul’s unmarried man of God you can get: there’s definitely a connection.

    Good to see you all still in action. Thanks for the stimulating posts by Dalrock – a big hello to all of you, gentlemen.

    Thanks again to honeycomb

  45. Höllenhund says:

    in the real world, there are always enough thirsty/interested men around for when a normal looking woman decides she wants to get married, provided she isn’t trying to overshoot and she isn’t morbidly obese

    Those are rather significant caveats though.

  46. Opus says:

    Cocks in Frocks. From my window this week I observed what appeared to be a woman in a dress and high heels walking away from where I was, yet even at a distance of twenty yards – perhaps because ‘she’ was tottering slightly on her high heels and perhaps because one does not tend to observe high heels during the day I instantly said to myself “That’s a man, baby” – and yet I could not tell exactly why i had no doubt that was cock-in-a-frock. I told my friend about this and he said that Trannies are always obvious. I reminded him that he had visited Thailand: He said that in Thailand you can always spot the Trannies as they are better looking than the female Thais.

  47. Opus says:

    Anon at 07.40pm put me in mind of this (sorry for poor quality):

  48. Robert What? says:

    Modern American marriage has become a high risks low rewards venture for men. So it is fascinating that so many young men still go for it.

  49. Dale says:

    Heidi said My church has removed two members for breaking marriages: One was a man who left his wife to live with his mistress (and would not return to his wife); one was a woman who frivorced her husband

    What group/denomination is that? It would be interesting to try to find such a church here.

  50. mgtowhorseman says:

    So by 30-34, when unassisted fertility with low risk of deformity effectively ends, in 2017, 26+% are not married.

    One in four women are past reproducing within a stable ongoing environment condusive to child rearing. Supports the anecdotal evidence on the ground.

  51. Paul says:

    @Dalrock

    Today some consternation in Belgium: as usual Church Sunday Mass is broadcast on national television. During Mass, part of the letter to the Ephesians was read, which contained the infamous “Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.”
    This fueled national outrage on Twitter and it even made the national news broadcast. The minister of media Sven Gatz in response wanted to abolish Church broadcasts as quickly as possible, comparing it to potential outrage over muslim talking similarly.

    Sven Gatz: “”Of course I am not behind these kinds of statements” “The fact that they come from an old book is not an argument for letting them go to our people. This is not of this time, and that it is broadcast on the VRT for the whole of Flanders is already completely crazy. ”

    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nieuwsblad.be%2Fcnt%2Fdmf20180826_03683124&edit-text=

  52. Paul says:

    @Dalrock

    Mind you, this is coming from the government of Belgium, which let develop the “Molenbeek” municipality into the hub of islamic terrorism it became famous for after the terrorist attacks in Brussels and Paris.

  53. Anonymous Reader says:

    Belgium…that’s where Marc Dutroux is…

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Marc_Dutroux

    …never could figure out how he afforded so many houses.

  54. earl says:

    ‘One in four women are past reproducing within a stable ongoing environment condusive to child rearing. Supports the anecdotal evidence on the ground.’

    Interesting as the other 1 in 4 stat with women being thrown around is that they are on some sort of mind altering prescription meds.

  55. Opus says:

    Belgium is clearly schizophrenic – anti Christian but pro-Islamic – half French and half Dutch not a real place at all but a British invention to act as a buffer-zone between France and somewhere else. There are famously no famous Belgians (because all the famous ones are mistaken for French). I have no wish to return to the place but this is what Monty Python have to say:

  56. earl says:

    Modern American marriage has become a high risks low rewards venture for men. So it is fascinating that so many young men still go for it.

    The divorce risk is very high in American marriages…with the biggest indicator being how many premarital partners the woman has had. Now I know that reveals how much of a failure the sexual revolution is…but it seems a lot of people (men included) want to stay in that failure rather than point out how destructive it has been.

  57. @Dale: Orthodox Presbyterian Church. Not that we’re perfect, but I know of at least one other Dalrock fan in my congregation, and women aren’t encouraged to speak badly of their husbands and are encouraged to marry young.

  58. Anonymous Reader says:

    Earl
    Interesting as the other 1 in 4 stat with women being thrown around is that they are on some sort of mind altering prescription meds.

    Surely that it totally a coincidence…

  59. ray says:

    As commentary on the OP graphs, some may be interested in this article.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/08/was_mollie_tibbetts_the_victim_of_mexican_machismo.html

    AT and Breitbart are leading ‘conservative’ mags, but this article illustrates how hopelessly cucked modern conservative men are, and how converged ‘conservative’ and ‘alternative’ media are. It’ll get a lot worse, too, as the Feminist Narrative daily makes advances in supposedly conservative outlets, and becomes Assumed Truth — instead of what Scripture says is true.

    Note especially the utter lack of critical evaluation of this article in the comments . . . the men simply take it as a matter of Faith that whatever a female claims about toxic masculinity — no matter how absurd — must be true. They are more than ready to roll-over to it! And they’ll continue to do so until the nation is destroyed, whilst imagining themselves to be Big Strong Brave Men.

  60. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Opus:There are famously no famous Belgians (because all the famous ones are mistaken for French).

    This SCTV skit makes your point. The Belgium reference is a little past the 1 minute mark.

  61. ray says:

    Paul — “Mind you, this is coming from the government of Belgium, which let develop the “Molenbeek” municipality into the hub of islamic terrorism it became famous for after the terrorist attacks in Brussels and Paris.”

    Belgium is on France’s northern border. This entire area is notorious for goddess cults, especially the Cathar/Albigensian rebellion centered in Southern France. Nothing’s changed as Europe’s female electorate largely is culpable for inviting the Sons of Ham into ‘their nation’ and ruining ‘their’ nation. The Cathars likewise were a Gnostic cult of goddess-worshippers, whose chief weapon was song via the troubadours.

    France’s boss Macron is married to a women about old enough to be his mother. It’s was calculatingly done and guaranteed to appeal to the female electorate there. The goddess-cult stuff is still v prominent and powerful in France and Belgium (and other areas of Europe); it has been re-born in our Feminist Age. As for Macron, if you don’t see an antichrist in his face, you ain’t looking close enough. His name — Ma-cron = ma + crone. Belgium is prefixed by Bel, the name of the most popular Near East deity of the ancient world. Bel = Baal, Beelzebub. Bel also was the title of Babylon’s deity. I mean ancient Babylon, not American Babylon.

  62. Neguy says:

    @Reality Doug, @novaseeker,

    Yes, it’s clear most women do end up marrying – so far. I am observing a number of ~40yo women get married as we speak. However, most of them married divorced men, some with children by a previous marriage. They did get married. But it wasn’t to Dalrock’s proverbial hunky handyman. And they didn’t necessarily get to have their own children.

    Also, these stats and what I see are reflecting the last cohort of Generation X winding through the system. In just a few years, the people turning 40 will be Millennials. The further down you go, the more you see the female skew in college education, men who aren’t getting marriage signals and thus not responding, etc. We’ll have to see how this plays out.

  63. earl says:

    ‘During Mass, part of the letter to the Ephesians was read, which contained the infamous “Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.”

    Yup…that was the second reading today.

    ‘This fueled national outrage on Twitter and it even made the national news broadcast. The minister of media Sven Gatz in response wanted to abolish Church broadcasts as quickly as possible, comparing it to potential outrage over muslim talking similarly.’

    If that doesn’t prove a lot of European countries offical religion is feminism…nothing will.
    Much like we are to test the spirits to see if they are from the Lord or not…that particular Scripture from Ephesians is an effective test to find out if you have a feminist on your hands.

  64. earl says:

    Of course I don’t which offends them more…the part where wives submit to their husbands or the part where they submit to the Lord. Quite frankly they probably don’t do either.

  65. Love to see these charts.
    Thank you very much for posting.

    I’m reminded also that now 40% of all children born today in the US are to unmarried mothers (single moms or co-habitating, non-married moms):

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/unmarried-childbearing.htm

    https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/cdc-babies-born-unmarried-women-exceeded-40-8th-straight-year

    So yes, despite her unilateral legal right and authority to decide whether she is a mother or not, and any male is a father or not, today’s American woman don’t need, nor want, no stinkin’ man!!!

    But what happens to such fatherless children?

    You just had to ask: https://thefatherlessgeneration.wordpress.com/statistics/

  66. Studying those charts that Dalrock posted, we are pretty much screwed. That might be it for Western Civilization. It will not survive the absence of marriage. It can’t. We are all in trouble deep.

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  68. Luke says:

    Constrainedlocus, here is IMO an even better summary:

    http://www.fclu.org/parentless-statistics/

    85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes (Source: Center for Disease Control)
    90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census)
    71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes (Source: National Principals Association Report on the State of High Schools.)
    75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes (Source: Rainbows for all God’s Children.)
    63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census)
    85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home (Source: Fulton Co. Georgia jail populations, Texas Dept. of Corrections)

    THESE STATISTICS TRANSLATE TO MEAN THAT CHILDREN FROM A FATHERLESS HOME ARE:
    5 times more likely to commit suicide
    32 times more likely to run away
    20 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
    14 times more likely to commit rape
    9 times more likely to drop out of high school
    10 times more likely to abuse chemical substances
    9 times more likely to end up in a state-operated institution
    20 times more likely to end up in prison

  69. Opus says:

    The Belgians know they are not a real country which is why and some decades ago a Belgian (French speaking Catholic) female of my acquaintance (she had been my parents au-pair and was thus a few years older than myself) informed me that she did not think of herself as Belgian but as European.

    Actually, what impressed or perhaps surprised me about the Belgians is that they broadcast mass on their television at all – presumably Roman Catholic. They don’t do that here. I presume that in America there will be some cable network broadcasting religious services 24/7. Is all American Christianity like this?:

  70. Lost Patrol says:

    Is all American Christianity like this?:

    That guy is weak sauce. This is how it’s done:

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  72. earl says:

    ‘THESE STATISTICS TRANSLATE TO MEAN THAT CHILDREN FROM A FATHERLESS HOME ARE:
    5 times more likely to commit suicide
    32 times more likely to run away
    20 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
    14 times more likely to commit rape
    9 times more likely to drop out of high school
    10 times more likely to abuse chemical substances
    9 times more likely to end up in a state-operated institution
    20 times more likely to end up in prison’

    None of that matters…we have to make sure she’s haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaapy. Telling a woman she can’t have a child out of wedlock or she doesn’t have the right to throw the father out of the kid’s life is patriarchal oppression. A child’s messed up life is a small price to pay to make sure a woman is never offended by someone calling out her terrible choices.

  73. Hmm says:

    The only famous Belgian I know of is detective Hercule Poirot. Unfortunately, he’s fictional.

  74. Opus says:

    @Hmm

    Like Belgium itself Hercule Poirot is a British invention. Famous Belgians include and are probably limited to Eddy Merckx, Cesar Franck and Johnny Hallyday.

    I was once in the Rev Jessie Jackson’s church in Chicago (the Reverend was absent but I met Mrs Jackson who was and I presume still is a very elegant woman) and it was just like the Blues Brothers – pretty amazing it has to be said – and it wasn’t even a Sunday. My sometime Jewish girlfriend was sold on Gospel music and frankly anything black – rather living up to the stereotype.

  75. BillyS says:

    Opus,

    I have not seen any channel having church services 24×7, but EWTN is an RCC-related channel I have seen before.

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  77. Anonymous Reader says:

    If there was a contagious disease that did to children what divorce / babymomma does to them, a national campaign would surely already exist to wipe it out.

  78. thedeti says:

    @bdash:

    A young couple from church divorced and everyone supports the Girl even though she slept with another man. ( he divorced her)
    ” How terrible of a man was he that his wife would walk into another man’s arms”…..
    The father “rescued” his daughter and everyone looks after her
    The church has isolated the husband

    unfortunately, this is typical of the way churches are handling divorces where she cheats/does something to break the marriage and he says “nope, I’m out” and divorces. A divorce is always a man’s fault, even if she is the one who broke the marriage. If she cheats, it’s “he’s an awful terrible husband. If he were a better husband, she wouldn’t have cheated.”

    If she’s a bitch, it’s “he’s an awful, terrible husband. She’s mean to him because he was mean to her first. If he weren’t so mean to her, she wouldn’t be so mean to him.”

    If she will not sleep with her husband causing him to divorce her, it’s “he’s an awful, terrible husband. If he were a better husband, she would give him sex. If he would do things to earn her love, she would naturally sleep with him. He’s just neglecting his duties as a husband.”

  79. Sharkly says:

    bdash 77 says: A young couple from church divorced and everyone supports the Girl even though she slept with another man. ( he divorced her)
    ” How terrible of a man was he that his wife would walk into another man’s arms”…..

    I get that same bullshit here on the buckle of the Bible belt. When I confront them with the fact that Hosea was the only man besides Jesus to be specifically chosen to illustrate God’s love, and his wife cheated on him constantly and flagrantly. The hireling halfwits spin and huff. One idiot preacher tried to tell me that the book of Hosea was an analogy, and it didn’t really happen. When I asked him, then why did God give us the whore’s father’s name, if it was all just make believe. the fool couldn’t answer. Apparently it is beyond belief for them that a woman could sin without her husband making her do it. It is their stupid “responder” fallacy verbal diarrhea, that they’ll throw huge parts of the word of God out over, just to keep their bit of cunt worship.
    Ditch them! They’re idolaters, cunt worshippers. Depart form their houses of whoredom.

    2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

    I fellowship with believers here, and I learn more in a week, than any church has ever taught me, and I’ve been to a lot of them. And like Boxer says; don’t give those false teachers a cent of your money. That’s what keeps them going.

  80. earl says:

    Apparently it is beyond belief for them that a woman could sin without her husband making her do it.

    You should ask them if they are aware of this guy when it comes to tempting women into them committing sin.

    It’s not like Adam made or forced Eve to eat the forbidden fruit.

  81. Rick says:

    I’ve heard pastors state that Eve eating the forbidden fruit was Adam’s fault because he had left Eve alone to be tempted. Not kidding.

  82. Anonymous Reader says:

    Rick
    I’ve heard pastors state that Eve eating the forbidden fruit was Adam’s fault because he had left Eve alone to be tempted. Not kidding.

    Yep.
    The flip side of that: “Adam was right there next to Eve when she was tempted, he was right there and he didn’t stop her!”.

    tl;dr: it’s always the man’s fault, no matter what.

  83. Lost Patrol says:

    “Adam was right there next to Eve when she was tempted, he was right there and he didn’t stop her!”.

    This one is extremely popular. He failed to protect and defend her. I don’t know how these guys managed to learn more about it than Paul the Apostle, who tells it quite differently. Of course Paul was stuck in the past with his stale interpretations and these days we have ever increasing knowledge of ancient truths promulgated by a large body of celebrity pastors and religious authors, to include women whose interpretations were flagrantly overlooked in the old days.

    St. Paul, that old misogynist, had something to say about that too.

  84. earl says:

    This one is extremely popular. He failed to protect and defend her. I don’t know how these guys managed to learn more about it than Paul the Apostle, who tells it quite differently.

    Or the fact that Eve told the serpent she was not to not eat the fruit or even touch it. She was already protected because she knew what orders were given from her lawful authority. She chose to rebel.

    I can protect a wife all I want…but if she chooses to rebel against my protection orders and decides to walk down some dark street corner alone and things happen…why is my fault?

  85. Rick says:

    The woman gave in to the serpent, then the man gave in to the woman. The cycle continues and thus there is truly nothing new under the sun. Sometimes it’s difficult to bear this temporary existence.

  86. ray says:

    Rick — “Sometimes it’s difficult to bear this temporary existence.”

    Do tell.

  87. Opus says:

    What greater proof does one need that there are no famous Belgians than the following: Belgium is now on a drive to rename all its public spaces after women and predictably having none of their own of any fame they have now renamed a public square after an English woman who so far as I am aware probably never even visited Belgium; that woman being the late English Member of Parliament the female-supremacist globalist Jo Cox who was executed by the freedom fighter and true patriot Thomas Nair – not of course that one may condone his anti-feminist pro-Brexit method of action.

  88. Luke says:

    “not of course that one may condone his anti-feminist pro-Brexit method of action.”

    Why not? The feminists are like all the leading Muslims (who are never unambiguously contradicted by any other Muslims) who say that 1) they are in a fight to the death/finish against us, 2) that they started, and 3) that there are NO civilians/noncombatants on either side, and 4) that there are no rules in this war. It sounds to me (I don’t know anything about her other than your reference above) as if her getting plugged was simply a victory for us, and for good.

  89. Opus says:

    @Luke

    You live in 1st Amendment land; I merely observe what I may not say.

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