Well played.

The Federalist is outraged at blatant Christian legalism when it comes to selecting a spouse: Women Prefer Physically Fit Men With Good Jobs And No Criminal Record

Recently, there have been a lot of objections in the evangelical blogosphere over a highly offensive article headlined “Men prefer debt free virgins without tattoos.” I agree with these criticisms of this poorly written and highly misogynistic diatribe.

When selecting a mate, Christian men have no right to consider how women have treated their bodies or bank accounts in the past. If they have repented, all of that is erased, along with the consequences. Jesus accepts these women just as they are, and potential suitors should, too.

Do you see that doughy 28-year-old who dropped out of community college a decade ago, whose reading forays petered out at Ayn Rand and “Starship Troopers,” and who cried all the way home from the county jail after his dad posted bail following last year’s grow-room incident? Christian ladies, if this man now confesses Jesus, he should be no lower on your list of potential husbands than the handsome architecture graduate with a well-used gym membership who just showed up at church. If he is, the problem is with you and the legalism that lives in your heart.

God accepts everyone who repents of past sins. Therefore, if a man squanders his young adult years on pizza, porn, and “Call of Duty” quickscoping matches, a woman has no right to take these behaviors or their lasting consequences into account when evaluating him as a potential mate. He has a clean slate with God, and that means he should have a clean slate on the dating market, too.

Grace means that the man who has shown years of sound work ethic, perseverance, financial wisdom, and spiritual maturity should be no better off in others’ estimation of attractiveness or husband-potential than the man who just gave his life to Christ after pouring his twenties down a black hole of intoxicated, masturbatory indolence.

H/T Instapundit.

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58 Responses to Well played.

  1. Two Old Oaks says:

    This article has to be sarcastic lol.

  2. anonymous_ng says:

    BRAVO!!!!

    Here I am going through sexual harassment training for my job, and one of the examples was “A woman dresses like a whore and gets attention. Can she sue your company for sexual harassment?” Well, not in those words, but YES, yes, she can. Probably.

    Actually, talking to a woman might be sexual harassment, but not talking to a woman might be sexual harassment.

    A woman gets hired at a formerly all male company, and sues because of the bawdy jokes etc. That’s her right to not have to work in such a hostile work environment. Where’s the “Sucks to be you cupcake!”?

    It’s like when someone moves next door to an airport, and then complains about the noise. Bugger off.

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  4. earl says:

    You knew it was going to happen.

  5. thedeti says:

    Well done.

  6. Damn Crackers says:

    I honestly don’t know what this satire is supposed to be answering. The original meme being spread around or the reaction to it.

    I know God forgives, but he can only partially help you with the six sixes.

  7. farmlegend says:

    Hilarious.

    I’d just read the debt-free virgins piece; my bottom line, moreso than indebtedness or tattoos, is that today’s women simply hate hate hate any sort of judgement whatsoever for their sexual pasts. At all. The mere suggestion of judgement brings out screeching how-dare-you shaming language, even from purportedly Christian women.

  8. thedeti says:

    The comments from the men on the Federalist article are pretty much spot on.

    The comments from the young women commenters on the article are pretty much the following:

    –“it’s HUMOR!! It’s tongue in cheek! The author really doesn’t MEAN all this!”

    –Men are shallow too! Men do it too!

    –Trump is Literally Hitler

    –Trump supporters are Nazis and Hitler Youth

    –You all hate women

    –You all hate God

    The comments from the older women commenters are:

    –Both Lori Alexander and the article are correct on male and female preferences for marriage, what’s the big deal, deal with the truth, let’s move on

  9. DrTorch says:

    This was well done.

  10. afirefox says:

    @dalrock @earl or anyone else. I want to hear your guys’ analysis on the article that dalrock linked.

    https://www.whitehorseinn.org/2018/07/does-god-require-women-to-be-debt-and-tattoo-free-virgins/

  11. earl says:

    -You all hate women

    –You all hate God

    I should just add these two to the list of phrases (racist, Nazi, fascist, misogynist) people say when they can’t refute the argument.

  12. MKT says:

    “I should just add these two to the list of phrases (racist, Nazi, fascist, misogynist) people say when they can’t refute the argument.”

    SJWs (Christian or not) are horrified by satire and parodies of their views. They do all the name-calling you mention and then some. Then the doxing begins. I don’t blame the author for remaining anonymous.

    On the other hand, SJWs think it’s perfectly fine to burn bloody effigies of Trump and mock Christianity in the most offensive ways. The 1st Amendment was written for such things, not to protect Trump supporters from violent Antifa thugs.

  13. Yeah this is definitely a satire

  14. swiftfoxmark2 says:

    I shudder at the thought of the shrieking had the author included “thin” as a requirement.

  15. earl says:

    Comment from the article….

    ‘TL;DR Men and women will discriminate when choosing a spouse. The end. You, the judgmental outsider, can say what you like, but it isn’t going to change anything.’

    Exactly…no amount of feelings and crocodile tears a woman weeps will change what men prefer. If a man or woman isn’t discerning whether this person is potential marriage material…that’s not a good sign.

    I think a lot of people do hate to hear this statement…there’s a lot of people who’ll gladly have cheap casual sex with you, there’s a lot LESS that would consider marrying you.

  16. Darwinian Arminian says:

    I’d only take exception to that last item on the list of what women prefer. A criminal record is often a fantastically effective tool for catching a woman’s sexual attention, though it’s preferable for the offenses in question to have been of a violent and lethal nature.

    Would that objection also highlight another one of the underlying differences between men and women? I notice that when there are a large number of men angry about a “courtship sermon” directed their way it’s usually because the preacher was giving terrible instruction based on a false premise, resulting in advice that does nothing to help them reach their goal of getting a woman who wants to have sex with them (e. g. Glenn Stanton’s insistence that most women just want hardworking men who will go to a job every day to be the fathers of their babies). By contrast, when women of the church get angry at a “courtship sermon” it often seems that they were just given some good advice that would have made them a more attractive marriage prospect but unfortunately clashes with their ambition of living the carefree life of a carousel-riding feminist career girl up until the day they decide that they want to be mothers.

  17. Anonymous Reader says:

    Yes, well played. The comments at Federalist are what one would expect, save for the surprising number of “is this supposed to be satire / funny?” harumphing. More of those humorless gits than I would have expected.

  18. earl says:

    I’d only take exception to that last item on the list of what women prefer. A criminal record is often a fantastically effective tool for catching a woman’s sexual attention, though it’s preferable for the offenses in question to have been of a violent and lethal nature.

    My understanding was this was the retort to what each prefer when it comes to marriage…not what they prefer when it comes to causal sex.

    But perhaps I’m wrong maybe women want to marry criminals…

  19. thedeti says:

    I am beginning to think this was a satire. The Federalists are neocons/tradcons/ religious cons. They are all firmly in bed with Christofeminists, and really truly believe

    –men and women are equal

    –husbands and wives must live in “mutual submission”. Husbands love wives as Christ loved the church means exactly what it says; but wives respect husbands is conditional, time-dependent, intended only for the fledgling Christian Church, and doesn’t really mean what it says

    –men who love God, pray, go to Church, and understand the Bible are sexually attractive, without more

    –women really do tingle for Godly men

  20. SnapperTrx says:

    Precisely this. Cars, homes, mates, shoes, cell phones: We all pick things with discrimination and that will never, ever end. Its not like this is a new thing, its just one of the few times lately that someone has pointed it out so all these ladies have to have cows. Before long the waves will die down and it will be back to normal town again until the next woman gets it in her mind to point it out.

  21. Heck, I admit frankly…..my past drug addiction is a red flag for many a true Christian woman. I cannot really blame them…..with that said, I am to somehow magically forget the one, two, three children out of wedlock by different men……the welfare scams, the check fraud, the way she has let her body go way beyond just “aging factors” and forget her attitude towards people OUTSIDE the church doors….but she claims Christ, and I am supposed to just take that for what it is…..

    Funny thing, ironic actually…………..all these big shot tradcons in their own church, and these hip n’ happening pastors never marry:

    a woman with a bunch of kids in tow from a previous fling, shack-up or marriage. they never marry women with sleeve tattoos of skulls, crossbones, and demons. they never marry a woman who has let herself go physically to the point beyond…………

    In fact they are the ones who snag up the virginal, young woman without tattoos. Since God does indeed wipe the slate clean, and we’re all beautiful because He created us……why are all these women like I mentioned above “not welcomed” as wife material for these tradcons and pastors?

    Jr. high and high school ALL over again IMHO

  22. thedeti says:

    why are all these women like I mentioned above “not welcomed” as wife material for these tradcons and pastors?

    Because as much as women complain about men judging them, men don’t judge women 1/10th as harshly as women judge other women.

    I get routinely raked over the coals for the things I say about women. But nothing I say is anywhere close to as rude, crude and socially unacceptable as what women say about other women.

    “Has a trashy look, looks like white trash”

    “drunk”

    “slut”

    “Stupid”

    “cheating whore”

    And this is what women say about their friends.

  23. earl says:

    And this is what women say about their friends.

    Yeah that’s why when a woman says her husband is her best friend I wonder if he knows that’s a compliment or not.

    I don’t know who would say worse things about me…a male enemy or a female friend.

  24. Damn Crackers says:

    @seventiesjason @thedeti – “why are all these women like I mentioned above “not welcomed” as wife material for these tradcons and pastors?”

    Well, @thedeti is right. Look at all the restrictions a priest/rabbi has for marrying in the OT. No one can look up to the leader of the flock/tribe if she was a divorcee/slut/prostitute.

  25. Damn Crackers says:

    @afirefox – Big takeaway from the woman’s link you posted:

    “It’s because she [single, debt-ridden tattooed mom] acknowledges herself an image-bearer of the Triune God—not a self-creating creator—that she should keep a long-term vision of her life, and trust God to fulfill the desire of her heart as she delights herself in him.”

    If this isn’t woman worship, I don’t know what is. But, it certainly isn’t Christian.

  26. but…..but we have grace now from Christ……none of that matters! (lol)

  27. thedeti says:

    “I am a fat basement dweller with a distended belly from Mountain Dew consumption and Cheetos dust on my DC comics t shirt. But I have Jesus in my heart and I’ve just started college.

    “Women are required to find me sexually attractive. How DARE they tell me I’m not marriage material! Being of sound mind and body? Pshaw. God doesn’t require that? That’s not righteousness, and it’s all a pile of horse manure anyway. All that matters is I love Jesus. That means you women are REQUIRED under danger of hellfire to accept me as a sex partner. And if you don’t find me attractive, then you need to check your heart, because I question whether you’re a real Christian.”

  28. Nick Mgtow says:

    Women prefer fit men without no criminal records? So, men like Jeremy Meeks or Charles Manson are ignored by women, right? #popcorn

  29. Nick Mgtow says:

    I got fooled by the troll title and commented before reading *…* but I enjoy their sarcasm and way of hissing a jab at those salty offended so called feminist/conservatives

  30. thedeti says:

    Nick:

    Women prefer fit men with jobs and no rap sheets… FOR MARRIAGE.

  31. Nick Mgtow says:

    thedeti says:
    July 26, 2018 at 3:43 pm
    Nick:

    Women prefer fit men with jobs and no rap sheets… FOR MARRIAGE.

    Yup. The responsibilities to the reliable men, the fun to the bad boys. It’s so true in black american culture that Obsidian, a Youtube Podcaster made a video explaining why he REFUSES to take on those responsibilities now that the women want to seize the good guy.

    White women suffer the curse of loneliness, but way less than black women who have brought sluthood and single motherhood on themselves.

    Mind to give it a listen Dear Dalrock?

  32. Darwinian Arminian says:

    @earl
    My understanding was this was the retort to what each prefer when it comes to marriage…not what they prefer when it comes to causal sex.

    Will there be much of a difference between the two for women? If a man is alpha enough to convince her to jump into bed with him, I don’t see why he’d have much of a problem also convincing her to go down the aisle and take his name. It’s certainly true that the women might have a hard time finding a man with the ability to do the former who would also be willing to do the latter, but I’d view that as less of a reflection on his abilities than it would be on hers. And it’s also not like the inclinations of the women in the church are going to be terribly different from those outside of it. I grew up evangelical, and I lost count of how often I saw elders and deacons with perfect princess daughters that ran through an entire string of thug boyfriends who for some reason rarely showed up on Sunday mornings. You can even see this play out at the top authority; just look at how many megachurch pastors there are whose conversion involved them living out a sordid past until they started dating a “sweet Christian girl” who brought him to Christ before becoming his wife (and probably also doing a few things before either of those happened). Mark Driscoll had a story like this. So does Matt Chandler. Ditto for Darrin Patrick.

    Some might protest that those men aren’t so much criminals as loose-living men who eventually went good. But even on the outside of the church, where there’s less of a social push for marriage, it’s not hard to find fertile women eager to wife up a bad boy. In fact, the murder rap might even be enough to compensate for other things too. Roissy’s documented this pretty well lately; I won’t soon forget the news of Charles Manson recent nuptials with a gorgeous woman who was both taller than him and forbidden from consummating their union due to lifers not being allowed conjugal visits. And then there was this chick from the Ukraine who both married and got knocked up by an ex-cop/serial killer who used to have sex with his victims’ corpses:

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2018/07/11/chicks-dig-serial-killers-extreme-jerkboy-edition/

    Oh, and another kicker: In both cases, the woman was at least 40 years younger than her serial killer badboy. Who needs game when you’ve got murder?

  33. PokeSalad says:

    SJWs (Christian or not) are horrified by satire and parodies of their views. They do all the name-calling you mention and then some.

    “The worst thing you can do to a SJW is not take them seriously.”

  34. PokeSalad says:

    A criminal record is often a fantastically effective tool for catching a woman’s sexual attention,

    This is MMV, not SMV.

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  36. earl says:

    If a man is alpha enough to convince her to jump into bed with him, I don’t see why he’d have much of a problem also convincing her to go down the aisle and take his name.

    Perhaps…I’m not sure how many criminal men who sex the women are also the type looking for marriage is all.

    I mean even the guys in prison who get married….they don’t really do anything in the marriage to begin with. They’re behind bars already so what difference does it make to him if some nutty broad wants to marry him so she can get attention whore points?

  37. Charles manson’s wife was “gorgeous”?????

    you Game believers and self-proclaimed Alpahs have a very, very, versy distorted sense of “gorgeous” because again, this woman is not “gorgeous” she’s an average looking woman with obvious mental problems…..the kind of women you all pump n dump and then tell us all she was a “nine” or an “easy eight”

  38. Luke says:

    swiftfoxmark2 says:
    July 26, 2018 at 2:30 pm
    “I shudder at the thought of the shrieking had the author included “thin” as a requirement.”

    Throw in anything on her having/not having gone to college, gotten a foo-foo degree, being a nonsmoker, nondrinker, white, and her parents still being married, and they’d be hunting you down the way they did Osama bin Laden and Adolph Eichmann.

  39. earl says:

    Charles manson’s wife was “gorgeous”?????

    Take out the crazy…I’d call her pleasant looking.

  40. far from “gorgeous”

  41. Luke says:

    I can’t tell from the photograph if she has breasts, tattoos, stretch marks, or needle track scars, but from what I can see, she looks somewhat above average. Young, white, nonporker, long hair — she definitely looks in the top half of her chick class, body-wise.

  42. BillyS says:

    I would be quite happy with her looks. Some of you are far too picky. She probably has far too much baggage, even without tats and such, but her look is decent.

    Anyone who can’t see this is satire, basing off the hoopla around the other women’s preferences article needs to think a bit more. Why would they need to hide his name as well?

  43. BillyS says:

    Luke,

    Even a relatively small chest is fine for some of us. I would rather have thin than big breasts.

  44. Spike says:

    Apart from the obvious Tongue-in-Cheek, the title, ”Women Prefer Physically Fit Men With Good Jobs and No Criminal Record” gave me a ”You Could have fooled me” moment.
    A casual look around the inner city of any western country will show you that women prefer skinny hipsters whose occupations are struggling artists of some sort. A criminal record is proof of bad-boy cred, so that makes them tingle in all the right places.
    The article itself is perfect satire: It has cut through to core where the new generation of Mary Magdalenes are at: the double standards borne of entitlement, of living the party years but expecting a top-shelf husband who they can take for granted once married.
    This in turn indicates something far more sinister for feminists, and that is that the tide is turning. The Men’s movement has gathered sufficient momentum now to be able to field articles like this without fear of reprisal, a situation impossible a few short years ago. Combined with the drop in mainstream media subscriptions, feminist-themed movie box office receipt drops, the drop in the marriage rate and the exposure of their many campaigns, it’s starting to look ominous for them.

  45. Darwinian Arminian says:

    @earl
    Perhaps…I’m not sure how many criminal men who sex the women are also the type looking for marriage is all.

    Except that he doesn’t have to be. As long as there are women want to bang him, take his name and bear his children . . . that’s all he needs to have a high MMV.

    The fact that he’s not looking for a wife matters not one iota. You can look beyond the criminal class for easy evidence of this. George Clooney used to be a wealthy, handsome and famous actor who spent years saying that he’d never even consider taking a wife. It didn’t stop thousands of women from dreaming about the role, and more than a few from spending their peak years trying to apply for it.

    Don’t make the mistake of thinking that moral behavior inspires female desire or that only damaged women fall in love with evil men. We’re only talking about what it is that brings about a woman’s sexual interest. They want masculine dominance, and they’ll be looking at men for alpha tells to see if he has it. It’s one of the reasons why women prefer tall men, but other things can also be signs. Like money. Or fame. And yes, inflicting violence on another person or even killing them. There’s no moral dimension to this; If there were, then it would make perfect sense for a church to rate a man’s qualifications as an elder by his ability to unlatch the bra that Dalrock joked about here:
    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2014/01/31/the-new-sexual-morality-will-the-bra-open-for-you/

  46. Luke says:

    BillyS says:
    July 26, 2018 at 6:33 pm
    “Luke,

    Even a relatively small chest is fine for some of us. I would rather have thin than big breasts.”

    Most men want both, just as women want husbands to be rich AND hawt.

  47. earl says:

    Except that he doesn’t have to be. As long as there are women want to bang him, take his name and bear his children . . . that’s all he needs to have a high MMV.

    Don’t make the mistake of thinking that moral behavior inspires female desire or that only damaged women fall in love with evil men. We’re only talking about what it is that brings about a woman’s sexual interest.

    Again talking about the types chosen for marriage…not what inspires female sexual desire. You want to say women sexually desire masculine, dominant, bad boys I wouldn’t disagree.

    In fact I think we are seeing what happens when women decide to chose men based off their sexual desires as opposed to someone like her father choosing.

  48. Luke says:

    Earl said: “In fact I think we are seeing what happens when women decide to chose men based off their sexual desires as opposed to someone like her father choosing.”

    Agreed. A society cannot be widely prosperous and otherwise desirable for most of its people to live in if young women are the sole or primary determiners of whom, and when, they have sex. On this, Elliot Rodgers was exactly correct.

  49. info says:

    @seventiesjason
    ” these hip n’ happening pastors never marry”

    The price of soy boyism.

  50. Splashman says:

    Heh. Love it. Well played, indeed.

  51. Oscar says:

    I’m shocked – SHOCKED, I say! – that Charle’s Manson’s widow has crazy eyes!

  52. MKT says:

    “women prefer fit men without no criminal records? So, men like Jeremy Meeks or Charles Manson are ignored by women, right?”

    A few psycho women go after very high-profile criminals like Manson, Meeks (who got tons of media attention with his “hot” photo), the Night Stalker guy, etc. It’s a status thing. That doesn’t mean some dude with a common burglary/assault/pot possession record will get any special attention.

  53. 9767 says:

    MKT- actually criminals in general are more attractive to (some) women. A fair amount of women love reckless, mean and nasty men. Criminals actually have more children than non-criminals:
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1090513814000774?via%3Dihub

    I read about a similar study from England too.

  54. It nothing else, the reactions of the Christo-feminists illustrates how well that these females can — or rather, CAN’T — accept criticism of ANY kind (much the same as ‘real’ feminists).
    Not exactly a ‘wifely’ virtue…(LOL)

  55. BillyS says:

    Luke,

    Most men want both, just as women want husbands to be rich AND hawt.

    Want as in “pie in the sky”? Perhaps. Most men are more realistic and their attraction floor is much lower than the supermodel with a big chest. You are an outlier if you can only accept both thin and huge breasts.

  56. DrSmith says:

    Well played except for one small point – per Rollo on others in the manosphere, hypergammy don’t care. That is why a double standard for woman’s behavior has existed for eons and will continue to do so until further notice.
    Further notice is when the latest crop of 4th generation feminazis end up clogging the nursing homes because they are bitter old people and can’t take care of themselves some where about the 2050’s and 2060’s….I’ll be gone by then, but I am trying my hardest to not let their thinking seep into my 8 year old daughter.

  57. DrSmith says:

    In other words, it will take a total rejection by men of woman whom espouse feminism and the near total collapse of the West for this to happen. I am stocking up for the ongoing civil war’s next phase when actual shooting starts happening.

    Woman have always tried to live the double standard life, but more often then not they were prevented from doing too much of it, if at all, because society (church, law, what was considered generally accepted behavior) prevented it to a large degree

  58. Luke says:

    MKT says:
    July 27, 2018 at 11:09 am
    “women prefer fit men without no criminal records? So, men like Jeremy Meeks or Charles Manson are ignored by women, right?”

    “A few psycho women go after very high-profile criminals like Manson, Meeks (who got tons of media attention with his “hot” photo), the Night Stalker guy, etc. It’s a status thing. That doesn’t mean some dude with a common burglary/assault/pot possession record will get any special attention.”

    ===========================================================

    Partial refutation, IF the dirtbag dude is hawt enough:

    http://extratv.com/2017/02/14/remember-hot-mugshot-guy-jeremy-meeks-hes-modeling-for-nyfw/

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