Chivalry and the kickass conservative gal.

While they may seem like an unlikely match at first, chivalry and the kickass conservative gal are a marriage made in modern conservative heaven.  As commenter Mother_of_4_Original demonstrates in her response to the article Male Feminist Declares: ‘End Chivalry Now’ (emphasis mine):

I’m not the slightest bit worried that any of my 3 sons will ever harass or assault a woman.

First, all of them have been taught that it’s the duty of the strong to protect the weak.

Second, all of them have been taught to respect woman as a gentleman ought (both the oldest son and the “spare kid” who lived with us for a number of years were in high demand among our daughter’s friends at the community college when they wanted an escort through a part of campus they weren’t comfortable traversing alone).

Third, all of them have been raised in a Christian home and a Bible-believing, gospel-preaching church and have accepted Christ into their heart.

Fourth, all of them are aware that having a concealed carry permit and a 9mm is normal female behavior — just like mom — and understand that a man who lays an aggressive hand on a woman deserves to suffer from acute lead poisoning.

Men need to be traditional and help the poor defenseless (traditional) women.  And if the menfolk get out of line, the kickass conservative gals will let them have it!

So open that door and pull out that chair, because the sistas are doin’ it for themselves.

Also note the implication that chivalry is sexy.  All three of her chivalrous “sons” were in high demand, not as dates, but as escorts.  The article Mother_of_4_Original was commenting on made the chivalry-is-sexy claim even more directly (emphasis mine):

…the moment when a womynist observes a frat boy who brings her a beer at a party: “It’s like, if you’re nice to them, they bring you things.” This act of subjugation was as much of a turn-on then as it is now.

H/T:  Instapundit.

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112 Responses to Chivalry and the kickass conservative gal.

  1. purge187 says:

    “First, all of them have been taught that it’s the duty of the strong to protect the weak.”

    Yeah, those days are coming to an end, as Tamara Cincik recently found out the hard way,.

  2. okrahead says:

    This past Sunday (Fathers’ Day) I found myself listening to Gresham’s Gun Talk show on the radio. Gresham started off talking about the importance of fathers introducing their children to hunting and shooting sports, as well as fathers teaching gun safety, and asking callers to call in with memories of their fathers working with them as children. Inevitably, I suppose, this got sidetracked into all the AWESOME single moms out there teaching their children about firearms. For the last 2/3 of the show Gresham was practically begging his listeners to call in (on Fathers’ Day) with awesome stories of how their single moms taught them about guns. I really should have just changed the station, but it was one of those times you just can’t look away from the train wreck in progress. Near as I could tell, despite his constant pleading, no listener called in about his awesome single mom teaching him to hunt or shoot.

  3. We live in a suburb near a park. I often see Dads teaching their teenage daughters baseball and soccer. Very often the girls are stocky and overweight. Is anyone teaching them to deal with guys, and how the marketplace works (reading some of Jane Austin’s books is a good start).

    What will be the future of these girls?

  4. Lexet Blog says:

    1-Shooting isn’t a feminine sport. 2- contrary to public opinion, single mothers (in my experience- I reside in a state with a large amount of them) are incredibly selfish and narcissistic.
    3- the author of the article in OP probably has sons who are still single, and are in “high demand” by women who will never date them.
    4- author lied to her sons about the # of women who would shoot others- taught negative reinforcement from a legalistic perspective.

    She didn’t teach them to do the right thing because it’s the right thing to do – she taught them that they need to do it and women will like it.

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  6. AnonS says:

    Give them enough time failing to find any traditional wife and they will learn and turn on their mother. The past is a different country

  7. JRob says:

    Her comments immediately remind me of the comedy.western movie The Villain. Her white knight hero sons are Arnie, the girl runs off with Cactus Jack. Somebody parodied female nature in cinema, 1979…

  8. Nathan Bruno says:

    I wish she did not try to pretend she’s the uber Christian, but perhaps it’s the new translation:

    “If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them with thing nine millimeter and kill him, for the Daughters of the King shall not suffer indignity.”

  9. feministhater says:

    …and understand that a man who lays an aggressive hand on a woman deserves to suffer from acute lead poisoning.

    I’ll put that in the memory banks. If a woman lays an aggressive hand on a man, she deserves to be shot.

    I’m betting though that turnabout is not fair play in her book.

  10. Cane Caldo says:

    Men need to be traditional and help the poor defenseless (traditional) women. And if the menfolk get out of line, the kickass conservative gals will let them have it!

    Since they are willing to stipulate that women are weaker, the conservative says himself or herself that a man should just improve. If he does not improve in relation to whatever woman is next to him, then he is not a Real Man because Real Men are stronger than women.

  11. earl says:

    Nothing like mothers raising their sons to be men.

    I didn’t notice anything about what the father was doing.

  12. MKT says:

    Off-topic, but too good not to report: “Netflix film crews ‘banned from looking at each other for longer than five seconds’ in #metoo crackdown”
    https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/netflix-sexual-harassment-training-rules-me-too-flirting-on-set-a8396431.html

    The same people said the Pence Rule was ridiculous and incredibly hard to follow, but they think complying with this crazy “5-second rule” will be easy…especially for a film crew? You can’t make this stuff up.

    Source: https://www.christiandailyreporter.com (really good, simple “Drudge” style site that’s truly Christian and conservative…I highly recommend it)

  13. feeriker says:

    All three of her chivalrous “sons” were in high demand, not as dates, but as escorts.

    Yup, that jumped out at me in the first nanosecond after reading it. I’m betting that these poor chumps were textbook beta orbiters to whole lotta college carousel riders who never gave them the time of day unless they wanted something from them.

    What will be the future of these girls?

    Cats, alcohol, head meds, and dildos, for starters.

  14. earl says:

    Fourth, all of them are aware that having a concealed carry permit and a 9mm is normal female behavior — just like mom —

    So she does acknowledge her boys will be looking for a woman with ‘normal female behavior’ just like mom.

    Where’s the part with the father raising his boys to have normal masculine behavior?

  15. Lost Patrol says:

    So is Mother_of_4_Original the female version of gun-cleaning-dad?

  16. Damn Crackers says:

    Unfortunately, the author of the article never got the subtlety of the great movie P.C.U.

    Thankfully, there is a cartoon to tell beta boy escorts at least how to make money from their status(starts at 2:32):

  17. DrTorch says:

    First, all of them have been taught that it’s the duty of the strong to protect the weak.

    Well that includes protecting the weak from themselves. Which is what patriarchies are all about. So Mom_of_four needs to be set straight.

  18. Otto Lamp says:

    The end of chivalry leads here:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5812075/Fashion-bosss-fury-white-middle-class-men-left-attacked-busy-Tube.html

    “Fashion chief executive who was attacked by 6ft Northern Line tube passenger slams two ‘white middle class’ men after they walked into next carriage and left her to defend herself”

  19. “in high demand” by the “community college girls” who didn’t “feel safe” while walking on some parts of the campus……..

    Which CC was this???? Schenectady County Community College? A college campus….sorry mom……is one of the safest places to walk during class times.

    These friends of the daughter I am sure didn’t have this “high demand” son escort these girls to the frat party, take them out on a date, nor allow him to pursue them in a Christ-like manner.

    White Knight in training……and he’ll be really upset at mom someday when he’s 42 and still single with limited dating experience. He’ll probably leave the faith before that happens…because we all know………young men who live by His word and ignored by these “roundhouse kicking girls” who “love Jesus more than anything”

  20. Darwinian Arminian says:

    Also note the implication that chivalry is sexy. All three of her chivalrous “sons” were in high demand, not as dates, but as escorts.

    Are women really this dense? Because as much as I’d like to believe that they really do have some sort of self-awareness about what turns them on sexually, I don’t see any evidence that they understand it at all — until it catches them by surprise. Add to this that they also don’t seem capable of grasping what drives the men; How else to explain their sincerely held belief that the sons should regard a woman saying “You’re a thoughtful and considerate gentleman,” to be a greater prize than if she had just offered an invitation to her bedroom?

    Some years back I remember seeing a video interview Helen Smith posted on PJ Media where she spoke to an attractive young female undergrad about a campus organization that she’d just started. The undergrad explained that the women in her college outnumbered the men so vastly that women had fewer options for romantic relationships, and this had led to to a rise in bad behavior from the men, who now felt that they could get away with just about anything. To combat this, the undergrad had joined forces with some other female students and started a group to give prizes to men in her college who were seen displaying “gentlemanly” behavior towards women on campus. They even hosted a ceremony, complete with a formal banquet and award plaques, all in the hope that this would encourage young men to show better manners in their interactions with young women.

    This was years before I’d even heard of the Red Pill (and a long time before Smith had even written her “Men on Strike” book), but even then I remember seeing this video and wondering one thing: How many of the men that these female students were giving their “Gentleman Prizes” to were they actually dating, and presumably sleeping with? Because if the answer was “None,” then that provided a pretty good answer right there for why they weren’t seeing more men with the good manners they claimed they wanted. I also knew that even asking a question like that would in all likelihood be an offense against the “gentlemanly behavior” that these ladies claimed they wanted — and so most men wouldn’t even bother to ask, and the women would never pause to consider what they were doing.

    At this point in time male chivalry functions like the world’s biggest Catch-22. When practiced by men, it should supposedly bring out the type of behavior and response that men desire from women — except, of course, that the women won’t be required to fulfill on their end. But if you point this out and ask why it’s so, the bad manners and sense of entitlement you just displayed will be seen only as rude behavior unbecoming of a truly chivalrous man, and thus providing all the evidence anyone should need to understand why women didn’t give you the response that you wanted in the first place.

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  22. john james r says:

    They were right there to escort the girls home, time after time. Sometimes wiping away tears after Bad Chad opted up, sometimes toweling the semen out of their hair. But one day, one day, their decency will be reciprocated (when the women turn 80). Then the truth finally comes out.

  23. john james r says:

    —What will be the future of these girls?—-

    Are you saying that with some kind of alarm? Their future will have a decent beta at the least. Look around you. Or they’ll make 70-100k working for the gov’t. Are you saying that chubby women get left behind in 2018 America?

  24. Oscar says:

    Which CC was this????

    Well, there is a community college in Compton…
    http://www.compton.edu/

  25. Anon says:

    Darwinian,

    Because as much as I’d like to believe that they really do have some sort of self-awareness about what turns them on sexually, I don’t see any evidence that they understand it at all —

    Of course they don’t. A female Game teacher could easily be one of the most famous people in the world, but only twice have I ever encountered a female commenter who could even explain what Game is and why it works.

    Remember that it is always appropriate to tell women to their face “You don’t understand how women think.”. Contrary to what you might expect, their reaction to this is not one of any intense disagreement.

  26. squid_hunt says:

    @Otto Lamp

    That story appears made up. Some Asian guy showed up and for no reason started kicking her?

  27. Context is everything.

    re: getting her a drink — I’m an Alpha (who believed the Beta fairy tale for way, way, way too long). 6-4, 250, former college and pro athlete. Lawyer, entrepreneur. Hit the gym pretty hard. Wife is always the hottest women her age at a party with legs and a body that make women 30 years younger jealous. I hold doors for her. At a party, I get her wine when I get a beer. But I can afford to do that because I know, she knows, and those at the party know that I project alpha. After 3 decades of marriage, context matters.

    My son is 24 and an alpha. Former athlete, 6-2, 200 and ripped. Better-looking than his dad. Good job. The other day an attractive woman (7 or 8), daughter of a surgeon and a lawyer, grabbed his phone and put her contact info in it. A week later at a bar, she ran into him and told him her number was already in his phone so he needed to use it. Context matters.

    If he was out with a 7, I’d advise him to be nice to her. She’s already into him (and needs a little beta). But if he was out with a 10, I’d tell him to ask her when they got to the party if she’s planning on drinking wine. When she says yes, tell her you’d like a beer when she gets her wine. And maybe wink (depending on reaction).

    Be sweet to those women who have lower SMV. But tweak the 9s and 10s. Tease them til they do their little punch on your shoulder, giggle and tell you “you’re so bad. I can’t believe you said that!”

    Context matters.

  28. feeriker says:

    I didn’t notice anything about what the father was doing.

    How do we know for sure that there was even a father in the home at all? Just because a woman claims that she “raised [the children] in a Christian home and a Bible-believing, gospel-preaching church” DOES NOT mean that she maintained a biblical view of marriage or had a Christian marriage herself (the “hamster” is all too pervasive among both “Christian” women today and the churchian franchises that enable them in their sinful sexual choices). For all we know, this women ejected Dad from the home, or never married him in the first place.

    If she was married, odds are that husband/Dad spent as much time as possible being as far away from her as possible.

  29. info says:

    Isn’t it strange that Cuckservatives are pushing their daughters to be masculine. Same as the leftists are pushing women to be masculine.

  30. RICanuck says:

    At Muthah of 4’s first sentence, I thought, “creepy nice guys just setting themselves up for a false rape/sexual harassment accusation”

  31. feeriker says:

    Isn’t it strange that Cuckservatives are pushing their daughters to be masculine. Same as the leftists are pushing women to be masculine.

    These cretins need to be hounded mercilessly and endlessly with the question of WHY they are doing this. “Christian” cuckservatives, in particular, need to be hounded with the question of “why are you disrespecting God by undermining His designs for men and women by masculinizing your daughters?”

  32. Anon says:

    Feeriker,

    “Christian” cuckservatives, in particular, need to be hounded with the question of “why are you disrespecting God by undermining His designs for men and women by masculinizing your daughters?”

    The complete lack of genuine faith in cuckservatives is so total that they will make their daughters androgynous 4s, and then extol them as ‘beautiful, beautiful, beautiful’ (three times).

  33. Stanton Brown says: “Context is everything.”

    YES YES YES to that. And you have to roll with personality types to and gauge it. I played a tad too much jerk on a girl who looked like a young Malin Akerman, really great looking girl, and lost her. She read into just careless comments as bad negs and did not take things well, lesson learned–she was more on the sweet and softie side.

    Saturday I was on a date with a shy bashful 7 (decently cute face, good body), did plenty of beta things (too touchy and warm, offered to buy her things, constantly kind and zero negs) and it still ended with us making out in her car and her sending me heart emojis all week. It was amazing, she would literally giggle, put her hands over her mouth, and look away bashfully if I made too intense eye contact. if I had given her one neg she might have cried.

  34. Spike says:

    There is a glaring omission in the Mother_of_4_Original (MOFO abbreviated) narrative:
    Where is Father_of_4_Orignal?

    In the article, she talks about the sons, the “adopted” son, the uncle – but not the husband.
    It’s the father’s job to tell their sons about both self-defence, the nature of women and to demonstrate man’s conduct in relation to his wife in marriage as they raise the family, MOFO’s narrative looks a little suspicious.

    He seems absent. Is he in the armed forces? A sun-up to sun-down farmer? Travelling executive? We don’t know from her narrative why he isn’t doing what he is supposed to.

    This takes a touch of shine off MOFO. She isn’t lying, just exaggerating her efforts at raising her sons, at the father’s expense. This is why she says lopsided things. I see it often in single mothers or those in lesbian couples who attend our martial arts schools. Young boys raised under those conditions don’t actually train to hit. They train to go through the motions of hitting, without any real intent. It’s sad, because you can see the effects of Toxic Femininity on these boys.

    As for MOFO’s sons, they will work out eventually that everything they have been taught is a lie, because while they are good, kind, genuine, polite escorts, chicks go for Bad Boy every time. The only question for them is, how hard is the Red Pill landing going to be?

  35. vfm7916 says:

    Everything I wanted to comment on after reading this article and more ya’ll have covered.

    Chicks love to write and act as they feel men would write and act, but without, as an actor once put it, reason or accountability.

    “Hot lead”, lol. Though really the Pu$$ypass would probably guarantee her a get out of jail free card if she cried after shooting some guy that bumped into her accidentally.

    It’s the absence of risk of violence in these women’s lives that have banished any controls on their behavior.

  36. feeriker says:

    Where is Father_of_4_Original?

    In the article, she talks about the sons, the “adopted” son, the uncle – but not the husband.

    See my post of June 19, 2018 at 4:22 pm. She either ejected her husband from her home (and thus her sons’ lives) sometime in the past, or is a “reformed” slutty single mother who never married. Either way, her post seems to make it clear that her sons’ father(s) is/are not an important party of her life.

  37. Spike says:

    feeriker says:
    June 19, 2018 at 7:52 pm
    Where is Father_of_4_Original?

    RE: See my post of June 19, 2018 at 4:22 pm.
    Apologies feeriker. I did see your post of that time, though after wrote mine. It was the first thought that came to me after I read the original article.
    MOFO can be either of those two things you mentioned (husband-ejector or slutty reformed single mother).
    She may also be still married, but whose deep insecurity and need for validation leads her to exaggerate her contribution to her son’s upbringing at the husband’s expense.
    Dalrock once had an article about women desperately needing status, which leads them to be “first woman” in some field previously solely the domain of men. In MOFO’s case, she is holding up her son’s chivalry as her trophy. What she doesn’t know is that she is inadvertently setting them up for confusion, anger, bitterness, or, worse, false rape and harassment charges.

  38. mgtowhorseman says:

    Woman pulls a 9mm instantly escalates the situation

    But can she Pull The Trigger??

    Losing buddies in Bosnia showed me what happens when you hesitate even for a second because of morality, fear, anything in the face of a hardened opponent with no such hesitation.

    Now add thousands of Iraq vets, various immigrants from war zones minding their own business on the street but those combat instincts intact for life. Yell “Gun!” in a Legion Hall and see what happens.

    And they are encouraging Little Miss to pull a gun like a badass.

  39. mgtowhorseman says:

    Not saying these men will be violent or agressive or suffer from PTSD but any surviving vet will Instantly react to a drawn weapon.

  40. info says:

    @Damn Crackers

  41. info says:

    Be the Chad not the virgin.

  42. Cabeza de Vaca says:

    “(both the oldest son and the “spare kid” who lived with us for a number of years were in high demand among our daughter’s friends at the community college when they wanted an escort through a part of campus they weren’t comfortable traversing alone).”

    They would have to pay me. My skills, training, and experience didn’t come cheap, and I don’t get into any situation to protect a relative stranger with no other explaination than “I don’t feel safe.”

    Best case senario is you are wasting your time when most campuses at least have security officers if not actual law enforcement officers, and all you are doing is wasting time and feeding into female paranoia.

    Worst case senario: she has a dangerous violent ex and you are putting yourself into legal and physical hazard, never get involved in domestics unless you have a witness for yourself (many times the damsel in distress will side with hubby.)

    If their mother is giving them this advice I hope the family has a good lawyer and medical insurance.

  43. rpranger says:

    O/T. Ive been seeing on Facebook a lot of people with the frame “families belong together”. any chance of doing some judo with that and advocating for alienated fathers?

  44. Scott says:

    “why are you disrespecting God by undermining His designs for men and women by masculinizing your daughters?”

    I’ve actually deployed this tactic, with less a hard confrontational feel. to a few fathers I know.

    Generally, the response can be categorized as something like insurance, just in case she ends up without a sweet, loving, responsible husband who is just slightly more kick ass than she is.

    The aggregate of this is a problem, as it always is in macro-moral issues. Most people (unfortunately not even men these days) are tracking the second order or magnitude of the effect of these conscious decisions they are making today. The next question to ask is “what if EVERYONE did this?” (Raise their daughters to be kick ass women who demand chivalry when they want it/it is beneficial to them).

    Further extrapolation is just theoretical, but I would suppose it creates a rift or bubble, if you will, in the marriage market that a girl who is brought up to stand out as sweet, demure, deferrent, will be able to take advantage of.

    Put another way. Mychael and I are raising 2 girls and 2 boys. The boys out there who are within 5 years plus or minus of my daughters will be looking for a girl who really shines with her quiet unassuming demeanor 12-18 years from now. Which dads are most likely to be looking in the face of the top-tiered men as possible sons-in-law at that time?

    The biggest problem, as has been discussed ad infinitum around these parts is how do you get these kids together in the same room since they are spread out all over the country in onsies-twosies?

    There are some battles in that larger war I am trying not fall on my sword about, lest we alienate our children (and ourselves) so much as to make them freaks with zero prospects at all, while still providing them the wisdom and discernment to steer clear of “the carousel” or whatever all by themselves. That is a small needle to thread, but I am trying.

    Which returns me to the first statement in this comment. I strategically place ideas in the heads of the dads I know around me. I try to get the wheels turning in their brains and then just let it simmer. I quietly share articles from the manosphere in private emails and IMs with them and then don’t say anything.

  45. Scott says:

    It may also be useful here to point out that when I write about top tier men for my daughters, I don’t mean these 6’3” neurotic crosses between a chihuahua and a peacock that seem to revered around here as “natural alphas” because they are good at getting laid.

    The guy depicted in the meme shared by info looks/sounds like a closeted homosexual to me.

    I see those guys at they gym all the time and they are hilarious.

    I’m referring to a young man who has been sufficiently red-pilled and is Christian with manly attributes and character.

    In most cases, an early 20s guy is going to need some work. I’m tracking that work may fall on me a bit.

  46. Mad_Kalak says:

    I have said this before on this blog, but survey data is clear, there is majority support for gun rights over gun control now due to women’s opinions changing, notably on self defense. If you like the 2nd Amendment, girls with guns in and of itself, is not a bad thing.

    I also understand the problems Dalrock and others address about the “kick-ass” girl phenomenon. It is actually possible to view such a phenomenon as an acceptable trade off, because it wasn’t long ago “conservative” women wanted gun control.

  47. DrTorch says:

    Millennials Aren’t Having Kids. Here’s Why That’s A Problem For Baby Boomer Real Estate & Retirement

    That’s why they are so willing for high immigration. They won’t stop at any sacrifice of their children if it provides for their own pleasure.

  48. Oscar says:

    @ mgtowhorseman

    From the article you posted above:

    A recent New York Times article interviewed a 32-year-old woman who wants to wait until her career is further along before having kids. “Once I achieve a certain level of success,” she says, “then I’ll start thinking about a family.”

    Don’t know much about history.
    Don’t know much biology….

  49. Observation from 15 years as a Boy Scout leader listen to dads discussing their girls –

    They are never more proud than when describing their girls doing masculine activities. When young, “she’s a tomboy” is their highest praise.

    Much work has gone into producing the Generation Z girls. It’s a social science experiment on a scale not seen since the communist revolutions. Perhaps this one will end better. But I doubt it.

  50. Oscar says:

    @ Mad_Kalak

    I also understand the problems Dalrock and others address about the “kick-ass” girl phenomenon.

    A woman doesn’t have to be a “kickass gal” to carry for self defense. In fact, it may be the exact opposite. After all, it’s logical for a weaker, smaller person to carry a gun precisely because they know they can’t defend themselves against a larger, stronger assailant without it.

  51. Scott says:

    Mad_Kalak

    That is a piece of very thought provoking work.

    You are right, in that limited way, it may be worth it.

  52. Hmm says:

    Dalrock.

    Desiring God goes somewhat countercultural:
    https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/happy-wife-happy-life

    The money quote:

    “Our feminist-influenced, Bible-ignoring, headship-shaming society wishes real men to be milder. They wish you passive. They wish you silent.

    “But God entrusts you to speak, to sacrifice, to crush serpents. He calls you to be true to your nature — the one he gave you — and play the man that you are. And that man is not timid, not unassertive, not feeble in the faith: “Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong” (1 Corinthians 16:13). ”

    Unfortunately, what the author gives with one hand he can’t resist partially taking away with the other. Still, it’s good that he takes on the happy wife, happy life and servant leadership jukes as false.

  53. Scott says:

    Larry-

    Absolutely. It is ubiquitous. All of the dads in my circle, (save for my online red pill friends) are like that.

    They cannot help but beam with pride when given the opportunity to talk about how their daughters mix it up on the soccer field with boys or even trash talk their own sons comparing them to their daughters.

    It must be a subroutine error in my programming. Or a deep character flaw. I have zero desire to do this.

  54. Scott says:

    It’s like all these dads my age grew up watching Vazquez in “Aliens” and thought the interstellar marines were totally real.

  55. Oscar says:

    Dude, the Colonial Marines are totally real.

  56. feministhater says:

    I have said this before on this blog, but survey data is clear, there is majority support for gun rights over gun control now due to women’s opinions changing, notably on self defense. If you like the 2nd Amendment, girls with guns in and of itself, is not a bad thing.

    Yeah, all you’ve ever said on this blog is mild women worship. You pander to women. That is the beginning of the problem. You know how you really keep your 2nd amendment rights? How you keep your male only spaces? How you keep your balls?

    By not listening to what women want. Who cares if women are changing their minds with respect to gun laws? Their emotions should not matter, they shouldn’t have a say. You might get them to side with you today but tomorrow they will be your undoing. They are not consistent, nor logical, they should not be allowed to vote.

    Watching women strut around with guns, thinking they are all that, is a turn off. They are not submissive, they are simply using the guns as a means to garner more social attention. Stop pandering to them. You conservative values do not work, they are a failure.

  57. Oscar says:

    @ Hmm says:
    June 20, 2018 at 8:35 am

    Every woman wants her husband to take initiative, right up until the time that taking initiative means telling the wife “no”.

    Every women wants her husband to “lead” by doing absolutely everything the wife wants the husband to do.

  58. Bee says:

    Scott,

    “how do you get these kids together in the same room since they are spread out all over the country in onsies-twosies?”

    Vaughn Ohlmann had a good idea, he rented a church camp in Kansas and invited Fathers or Uncles to bring their teen daughters and sons to a 3 day meetup. No teens were allowed unless they had an older family member with them. He required teens to be 17 or older but got slandered and doxxed for supposedly encouraging “child brides”. The Salvation Army church camp cancelled his event. Doxxers tried to get his nursing license taken away.

    This article, and the one at Patheos have a negative bias, but you filter that as you read about it.

    https://homeschoolersanonymous.org/2016/05/05/get-them-married-selling-virgin-daughters/

  59. Oscar says:

    I have two daughters coming of age, and their private school rents a building on a Christian college’s campus. I need to figure out a way to get my family more involved at the college.

  60. earl says:

    Just because a woman claims that she “raised [the children] in a Christian home and a Bible-believing, gospel-preaching church” DOES NOT mean that she maintained a biblical view of marriage or had a Christian marriage herself (the “hamster” is all too pervasive among both “Christian” women today and the churchian franchises that enable them in their sinful sexual choices). For all we know, this women ejected Dad from the home, or never married him in the first place.

    I bring this up because perhaps this is another subtle thing that happens with the widespread anti-father, anti-male bias. The mother takes it upon herself to be the ‘father’ as well and constructing her sons to be something she deems as masculine. I’ve noticed plenty of virtue signalling mother who loudly proclaim their sons won’t be terrible men…yet often they are either divorced or the father has little interaction with the sons. It sounds like it’s another example of projection where the mother really hates any patriarchal authority her sons may receive and is motivated to take the place of it.

  61. earl says:

    The guy depicted in the meme shared by info looks/sounds like a closeted homosexual to me.

    We’ve replaced attributes of masculine/fatherly behavior with attributes of men who are clowns and call that ‘alpha’. It’s the same with women…they’ve gone from feminine/motherly attributes to looking and acting like clowns and call that ’empowered’.

  62. Anon says:

    Larry,

    It’s a social science experiment on a scale not seen since the communist revolutions. Perhaps this one will end better. But I doubt it.

    I am certain it will end worse. As it should.

  63. Mad_Kalak says:

    @scott – Thanks!
    @ Oscar – perhaps the marketing departments of firearms companies took it too far for our tastes, but advertising follows the culture, and they knew “kick ass gun girl” would resonate, so that is a symptom of the larger problem.

    @feministhater –
    I don’t defend women so much as treat them like teenagers, which is a red pill approach if ever there was one.

    As for hot girls with guns, most men see it as the same as a hot girl leaning over the muscle car…sex sells. It is as old as Annie Oakley!

    Teaching a daughter or wife or sister to be competent with a gun does not mean they will amp their hypergamy (though it may happen). But in a dangerous world, teaching your woman to shoot should be seen, even by you feministhater, as akin to teaching a woman how to drive well in adverse conditions.

  64. feeriker says:

    .I’ve noticed plenty of virtue signalling mother who loudly proclaim their sons won’t be terrible men…yet often they are either divorced or the father has little interaction with the sons. It sounds like it’s another example of projection where the mother really hates any patriarchal authority her sons may receive and is motivated to take the place of it.

    Yup. Spot on. If she had any real respect for Christian patriarchy she’d either keep her yap shut, or would being giving her husband the credit for raising her sons to be men. Women who chest thump about teaching their sons to be men are almost ALWAYS babymommas or divorcees.

  65. AnonS says:

    We need scouts in rural areas networking with local match matchers. Have you considered a happy family with a high income earner over college (over half of grads unemployed or working food/retail, and loaded with debt).

    We need people in Poland and Hungary if need be. Bring back the Bride Price if need be. No one is working on this.

  66. Damn Crackers says:

    Remain not unmarried, lest you die nameless,
    Cut not a youth’s masculine procreative faculty,
    And let not women imitate the sexual role of men,
    Long hair is not fit for men, but for voluptuous women.

    Pseudo-Phocylides, 1st C. AD/CE

  67. Cane Caldo says:

    @Mad_Kalak

    I also understand the problems Dalrock and others address about the “kick-ass” girl phenomenon. It is actually possible to view such a phenomenon as an acceptable trade off, because it wasn’t long ago “conservative” women wanted gun control.

    You’re stipulating that the choice is between:

    1) The current status quo of, say, 90% gun control (there are a lot gun control laws in place right now) and a culture which encourages women to be foolish and rebellious, or

    2) a culture of 95% gun control (no more AR-15s) and a culture which reduces encouragement for women to be foolish and rebellious.

    And you think 1) is the better option. Am I interpreting you correctly?

  68. earl says:

    Every women wants her husband to “lead” by doing absolutely everything the wife wants the husband to do.

    ‘Women don’t want to hear what you think. Women want to hear what they think – in a deeper voice.’ -Bill Cosby

  69. Oscar says:

    @ Mad_Kalak says:

    perhaps the marketing departments of firearms companies took it too far for our tastes, but advertising follows the culture, and they knew “kick ass gun girl” would resonate, so that is a symptom of the larger problem.

    Agreed. My point is that the assumption that every woman who carries a gun for self defense is a “kickass gal” is false. It’s also false that teaching ones wife or daughter to shoot for self defense – because she’s smaller and weaker than almost every potential assailant – will necessarily turn her into a “kickass gal”.

  70. Frank K says:

    Off-topic, but too good not to report: “Netflix film crews ‘banned from looking at each other for longer than five seconds’ in #metoo crackdown”

    Given the vile, pornographic trash Netflix produces, this rule is absurd.

  71. Frank K says:

    They cannot help but beam with pride when given the opportunity to talk about how their daughters mix it up on the soccer field

    Meanwhile. the US Women’s National team is routinely defeated in scrimmages against 15 year old boys.

  72. earl says:

    Given the vile, pornographic trash Netflix produces, this rule is absurd.

    The porn they produce is okay…staring into someone’s eyes without their consent over a certain amount of time however is a crime against humanity.

  73. Lexet Blog says:

    Carrying 9mm is definitely an aberrant female behavior

  74. Lexet Blog says:

    Those women tend to not be boastful and psycho about carrying a gub

  75. PokeSalad says:

    Dude, the Colonial Marines are totally real.

    “You ever been mistaken for a man?”
    “No, have you?”

  76. Ray Manta says:

    From Mother_of_4_Original
    Anyone who mistreated my daughter wouldn’t make it to her father. She’s got brothers, an unofficial foster-brother, and an unofficial uncle to go through first.

    I think in the era of #metoo, the winning move for a young man would be to give that woman’s daughter the opportunity to grow old alone with her cats for company.

  77. But we have to do something to fight harassment of women! As in this sad story of a young woman suffering in the wilds of Washington. /s

    “But she remembers that the man interviewing her for the job, a senior partner, quickly veered into different territory. He insisted on taking her out for meals, with dinners accompanied by several bottles of wine. ‘Every time I wanted to talk about work, or the position, or the job, he’d grab my hand and tell me, “I just want to tell you how beautiful you are,”‘ she said. ‘I was contemplating it as an opportunity, as a viable opportunity. It’s ridiculous that I would consider something that would subject me to sexual harassment for higher title and higher pay’” she said.”

    From “Women speak of pervasive harassment in DC lobbying culture” by Megan Wilson at The Hill.

    http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/k-street-insiders/392913-women-speak-of-pervasive-harassment-in-dc-lobbying

    If only she was a guy! A man would have been told “buzz off bozo, we don’t need you.” Instead she was tortured with expensive dinners and fine wine. Again and again! If only there was a law, then she could have called a cop after she had dined enough on his dime!

    We can all agree that proper education of boys would prevent this from happening. She pegged him as a beta and despised him. If this happened today, he would be toast. Teach your boys well least they suffer at the hands of such women.

  78. Sharkly says:

    Mad_Kalak says: But in a dangerous world, teaching your woman to shoot should be seen, even by you feministhater, as akin to teaching a woman how to drive well in adverse conditions.

    I think a gun is a great “equalizer”. A little woman on her period can blow away the best, most imposing, man because of feelz. Anyhow, I’d prefer women be left vulnerable and dependent on men for protection, otherwise, once again, we render ourselves unnecessary, and possibly imperil ourselves becoming target practice for liberal women who “fear for their safety”, and will not be sentenced like a man for pulling a gun and “equalizing” one of us.

    Don’t say it won’t happen. Be careful what you wish for. Armed female civilians have historically worked well, but they weren’t Feminazi man-hating banshees.
    I think female cops have to resort to lethal force more rapidly in some situations due to a lack of physicality. I also am opposed to females being put in combat roles in a volunteer military. If our need for defense exceeds what men will voluntarily do, then there may be a point where women need to take up arms in defense of our nation.
    When I first got married I wanted to teach my wife to use a gun, but she refused. Now, in hindsight, I feel safer, and sleep a little sounder, knowing that she is fearful and ignorant of firearms. At this point she is choosing to live elsewhere without my protection for herself or our children. I pray for them.

  79. “Which CC was this???? A college campus….sorry mom……is one of the safest places to walk during class times.”

    Indeed, during class time or any time. The numbers back it up.

  80. feeriker says:

    A step down from Leif to be sure

    Jenny did Leif the favor of ten lifetimes. IIRC, his current wife makes Jenny look like Godzilla by comparison.

  81. info says:

    @Oscar
    ”A woman doesn’t have to be a “kickass gal” to carry for self defense. In fact, it may be the exact opposite. After all, it’s logical for a weaker, smaller person to carry a gun precisely because they know they can’t defend themselves against a larger, stronger assailant without it.”

    Its well advised that for them Self-defense is not about having a defiant attitude but:

    http://nononsenseselfdefense.com/pyramid.html

    Violence is always a last resort when there is no way out and even then it is crapshoot take it from a guy who used to be street thug and who shot at others and was shot at:

    http://nononsenseselfdefense.com/self-defenseexplained.htm

    Even a gun no matter how trained is no guarantee. The best guarantee is always evasion.

  82. info says:

    @Sharkly
    ” If our need for defense exceeds what men will voluntarily do, then there may be a point where women need to take up arms in defense of our nation.”

    Does it work though or has the nation already lost by then?

  83. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Anyone who mistreated my daughter wouldn’t make it to her father. She’s got brothers, an unofficial foster-brother, and an unofficial uncle to go through first.

    People these days, especially women, are awfully quick to pick a fight. Women and manginas (e.g., Rules for Dating My Daughter) are looking for excuses to showcase their bad-ass bravado.

    Looking at old movies, it seems 50 or 100 years ago people assumed that others would behave respectfully. So upon first meeting, people were polite to each other. You had to misbehave before you were insulted or threatened.

    Now, modern women and manginas behave like they’re in some Old West movie. They’re always eyeing strangers, talking tough, looking for an excuse to start a fight for no good reason. (Because they know that no one will call them out.)

  84. Anon says:

    Sharkly said :

    If our need for defense exceeds what men will voluntarily do, then there may be a point where women need to take up arms in defense of our nation.

    Wow, I didn’t know someone so blue pill was a commenter here. One of the most disgraceful cuckservative traits that Dalrock has exposed is the narrative that women step up to national defense when men shirk from their duty to be expendable cannon fodder.

    In reality, when a woman’s own country is losing, the WOMEN SWITCH SIDES IMMEDIATELY. If you don’t know this, you are blue pill. Period.

  85. feeriker says:

    Anyone who mistreated my daughter wouldn’t make it to her father. She’s got brothers, an unofficial foster-brother, and an unofficial uncle to go through first.

    “Unofficial” foster brother and uncle? Yeah, um, methinks MOFO’s family situation is anything but traditionally Christian.

    People these days, especially women, are awfully quick to pick a fight. Women and manginas (e.g., Rules for Dating My Daughter) are looking for excuses to showcase their bad-ass bravado.

    And one day in a future far nearer than anyone imagines, one of these foolish creatures is going to get themselves hurt or killed by playing bad-ass with someone in no mood to suffer fools – hopefully a one hundred-pound weakling of a man who wasn’t even seriously trying to do any damage.

  86. Sharkly says:

    Anon,

    Perhaps I wasn’t very clear. I was talking about defense. Like when we were invaded, and a woman like Molly Pitcher fought for the resistance after her husband was hauled off the battle field. I wasn’t talking about some offensive thing where we send women off to fight our battles.
    Trust me, I’m on your side on this one. I don’t believe in Amazons, or that most women would perform well in battle. I don’t believe that most men would shirk their defense duty to the level that I see most women shirk their marital duties.

    Anyhow, good catch, that did sound blue pill, and I should have surely said it differently.
    I guess I should have said that at some point in an invasion of our nation, almost every man woman or child could, and perhaps should, be a combatant.

    My hope would be, in that situation, some women would actually have the fortitude to fight, and not switch sides immediately, but many surely would be traitorous, because they weren’t taught proper character, and loyalty isn’t strong in their nature.

    Sorry for the screw up.

  87. Ray Manta says:

    Sharkly said:
    My hope would be, in that situation, some women would actually have the fortitude to fight, and not switch sides immediately,

    At Vox Day’s blog, I once noted that the usual female response to invading conquerers is to drop their drawers. My comments were not well received.

    but many surely would be traitorous,

    There’s plenty of evidence that this would happen – After WW2, thousands of women in France had their heads shaved for collaboration horizontale.

    because they weren’t taught proper character, and loyalty isn’t strong in their nature.

    The problem is built into human DNA. The default mating pattern is for males to stay put with their family groups, and women to disperse. Our history of women being the spoils of war also favored a female psychology that switched sides easily.

  88. info says:

    @Sharkly
    ”My hope would be, in that situation, some women would actually have the fortitude to fight, and not switch sides immediately, but many surely would be traitorous, because they weren’t taught proper character, and loyalty isn’t strong in their nature.”

    You gotta think of their survival instinct. In our ancestral environment in regards to successful conquest acting as an Amazon would end up genetically extinct either by being shut out of marriage or being killed.

    Feminine wiles would have served them far better than being like men. Women being like men were always a minority. Its blue pill also to expect them to be as to actually have the fortitude to fight as men.

  89. Hmm says:

    For those who are interested in how conservative Presbyterians work, here’s the story of how the PCA at their just finished General Assembly debated and approved a provision about marriage being between one man and one woman:

    https://www.theaquilareport.com/reflections-from-inside-the-overtures-committee-at-the-46th-pca-general-assembly/

  90. DrTorch says:

    But she remembers that the man interviewing her for the job, a senior partner, quickly veered into different territory. He insisted on taking her out for meals, with dinners accompanied by several bottles of wine.

    WTF. Does she even know what lobbying really is?

  91. Oscar says:

    @ info says:
    June 20, 2018 at 10:24 pm

    Its well advised that for them Self-defense is not about having a defiant attitude

    That’s true for everyone. Rule 1 of self defense is “avoid stupid people doing stupid things in stupid places”.

    Unfortunately, stupid people won’t necessarily avoid you.

  92. BillyS says:

    OT: https://nypost.com/2018/06/20/mom-girlfriend-of-child-who-washed-ashore-accused-of-dumping-body/

    And people can still claim fathers are a huge danger to their own children with a straight face.

  93. BillyS says:

    Sharkly,

    I think a gun is a great “equalizer”. A little woman on her period can blow away the best, most imposing, man because of feelz. Anyhow, I’d prefer women be left vulnerable and dependent on men for protection, otherwise, once again, we render ourselves unnecessary, and possibly imperil ourselves becoming target practice for liberal women who “fear for their safety”, and will not be sentenced like a man for pulling a gun and “equalizing” one of us.

    A man can’t always be around. I suspect a modern feminista with a gun would end up being quite incompetent at it.

    Feeriker,

    Jenny did Leif the favor of ten lifetimes. IIRC, his current wife makes Jenny look like Godzilla by comparison.

    Though reading a bit about his past makes me realized his marriage to Jenny had a faulty foundation already if they were sexually intimate prior to marriage. Neither followed God’s plan at all it seems. That leads to certain consequences, however holy one talks later.

  94. Oscar says:

    Off Topc: Kickass single mom – and her GIRLFRIEND – murder her little boy.

    https://nypost.com/2018/06/20/mom-girlfriend-of-child-who-washed-ashore-accused-of-dumping-body/

    Texas authorities have identified the body of a child found washed ashore in Southeast Texas last year, and accused his mother and her girlfriend of dumping his body.

    Galveston police on Wednesday identified the body as 4-year-old Jayden Alexander Lopez. His body was found eight months ago, and authorities named the child “Little Jacob.”

    Police also announced his mother, Rebecca Rivera, and her girlfriend Dania Amezquita-Gomez have been arrested. Police say both are charged with fabricating or tampering with physical evidence.

    As usual, no mention of the boy’s father. The safest place for a child is in a family where his/her mother AND father are married to each other, but as we all know, married fathers are the problem (especially those patriarchal Christians), because feminists say so.

  95. Oscar says:

    Off Topic: Yesterday was the 93rd anniversary of the birth of a genuine American badass.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audie_Murphy

  96. Ray,

    “After WW2, thousands of women in France had their heads shaved for collaboration horizontale.”

    The numbers of women shaven range from 20,000 upwards. Good liberals are outraged at this, as they are at most attempts by a people to defend their integrity.

    This article in The Guardian article implies that most were unjustly punished, either being innocent or punished by men who were collaborators themselves. Most historians disagree with this revisionist history.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/jun/05/women-victims-d-day-landings-second-world-war

  97. American says:

    “Let them have it…” <– For many, this means making false domestic abuse allegations on one's husband to misuse law enforcement and put him in his place.

    But if she's going for a divorce though, the "kick ass gal" will just say he raped her. It's easy to do, just come on to your husband and in the middle of the act say "no" softly a few times. There's no real consequence to the "kick ass gal" for saying her husband raped her when he didn't. She gets all the comfort rewards that comes with playing the victim and all the goodies from the divorce court while he goes to prison and has his life destroyed. She gloats about it later, like a serial murderer who collects trophies. That's the law of our land and Romans 13 says get in the cell loser.

  98. Boxer says:

    There’s no real consequence to the “kick ass gal” for saying her husband raped her when he didn’t. She gets all the comfort rewards that comes with playing the victim and all the goodies from the divorce court while he goes to prison and has his life destroyed.

    He will at least go to jail for a couple of days, which gives her the chance to go through all the bank accounts, sell all the valuable stuff, and otherwise plunder his property. In the best case scenario, the charges will be dropped, and he will be released from jail to the homeless shelter, while skank-ho princess sets up the next victim.

  99. Lexet Blog says:

    Looks like they took down their website after patheos ruined it for everyone.

  100. vfm7916 says:

    @ray

    I remember a line from a Terry Pratchett book:

    “Men can talk about laying down their lives for their country, but as women we can just talk about laying down.”

    Hypergamy does not respect country or nation, only power. As long as the native men of a nation have power, they will be the hypergamous choice. When they lose power, they won’t. It’s why men must exclude, filter, defend, and destroy obvious and subtle threats to their culture, genetics, nation, and history. This applies to Hutu’s and Tuutsi’s as equally to the population of any Western nation, so don’t go all 5 words on the thought.

  101. ray says:

    “Mad_Kalak says: But in a dangerous world, teaching your woman to shoot should be seen, even by you feministhater, as akin to teaching a woman how to drive well in adverse conditions.”

    Sharkly — “I think a gun is a great “equalizer”. A little woman on her period can blow away the best, most imposing, man because of feelz. Anyhow, I’d prefer women be left vulnerable and dependent on men for protection, otherwise, once again, we render ourselves unnecessary, and possibly imperil ourselves becoming target practice for liberal women who “fear for their safety”, and will not be sentenced like a man for pulling a gun and “equalizing” one of us.”

    Yep. Your government is feminist, your courts and judges are feminist, the culture is feminist, the air you breathe is feminist. But Big Strong ToughGuy Conservative Men, yet again, assume that arming their wives and daughters — just let some punk say something to her! — is a GREAT idea. And why wouldn’t they, because as with the takeover of education, employment, social services etc., the more empowered their princesses are, the more empowered and enriched daddy is. Snowflake has her OWN IRA now, baby!

    Females in America already are empowered to attack males physically, overwhelmingly without consequences. For any reason, including momentary displeasure, or whilst in a rage because some male stranger didn’t jump and squirm to her commands. Ask me how I know.

    You think your feminist nation is gonna come down hard on the Poor Oppressed Darlings when they put a few holes in the next male that disagree . . . uh, I mean, that abuses and oppresses them? Females will receive the same ‘punishment’ they receive for current physical attacks, or for slaughtering their children — before AND after birth. That is, somewhere between little and no consequences. A few months in a ‘mental health program’ or some community service.

    Most ‘conservative’ men, especially those with daughters, are NOT your friends. They ain’t God’s friends either, tho imagining otherwise.

  102. Ray Manta says:

    Larry Kummer said:

    This article in The Guardian article implies that most were unjustly punished, either being innocent or punished by men who were collaborators themselves. Most historians disagree with this revisionist history.

    That’s because it was so well-documented – For example, the article below has photographs of French women fraternizing with German soldiers. It also notes the difference in punishment between men and women for collaboration. Men were usually executed, while women were shamed and ostracized. The article in the Guardian makes no mention of this fact.

    https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/78558.html

  103. feeriker says:

    Most ‘conservative’ men, especially those with daughters, are NOT your friends. They ain’t God’s friends either, tho imagining otherwise.

    I sincerely hope that every regular here is well aware of that by now.

  104. Anon says:

    I sincerely hope that every regular here is well aware of that by now.

    Indeed. All things considered, cuckservatives are the cause of the worst misandry in America today.

    It takes a cuckservative to destroy the family.

    Lefty secular societies (like Sweden) come up with joint custody and hence little to no CS. I doubt any fathers in Sweden are committing suicide or being imprisoned for running out of money.

    Cuckservatives in the US, on the other hand, specifically come up with things like imputation, prison time, etc. for maximum damage. VAWA, too, was the invention of cuckservatives from the reddest of red states.

  105. Oscar says:

    Off Topic: Why do “liberals” support separating children from their parents?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5869829/Father-two-year-old-face-child-separation-crisis-speaks-out.html

    [Denis Javier Varela Hernandez] revealed that his wife had previously mentioned her wish to go to the United States for a ‘better future’ but did not tell him nor any of their family members that she was planning to make the trek.

    ‘I didn’t support it. I asked her, why? Why would she want to put our little girl through that?’
    ….
    He said that Sandra set out on the 1,800-mile journey with the baby girl on June 3, at 6am, and he has not heard from her since.

    But… but… the narrative!

  106. DrTorch says:

    Off topic but here’s what a female incel talks like: http://allafrica.com/stories/201806200003.html

    More proof that the blue pill is nonsense

  107. Dr Torch,

    Victoria Kimani is just another example of a women gaining lots of weight as she hits the wall (age 32), but retaining the high standards for men that she had when slim and young. She is honest about not attracting the men she wants, but oblivious about the reasons. Perhaps someone will give her cats as a birthday gift.

    Her bio is interesting. Missionary parents. Started singing in church groups. Never married. Speaks about male chauvinism and women empowerment. Collaborated with other African female singers to make the inspirational song “Strong Girl”.

    Now she gets to live her dream of freedom from male oppression. Fish don’t need bikes, etc.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Kimani

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