Go ahead; try to make this stuff up.

I dare you.

From Profs say female STEM grades don’t reflect ‘perceived effort’:

Based on surveys of 828 STEM students, the professors conclude that female students believe they work harder than their male classmates for similar grades, indicating that “women’s higher perceived effort levels are not rewarded.”

Female students’ sense of self-efficacy is strongly predicted by grades, the professors note, fretting that this may discourage students sense of motivation to stay in STEM.

“These findings support the notion that grade discouragement leads to within-semester motivational declines…

The solution is to stop the sexist policy of grading on actual achievement, and give women in STEM the high grades they feel entitled to (emphasis mine):

they propose that “science educators could redistribute grades more akin to non-STEM disciplines to increase STEM retention.”

H/T Instapundit.

Related:  Going through the motions.

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131 Responses to Go ahead; try to make this stuff up.

  1. Damn Crackers says:

    I don’t understand. Didn’t black women get us to the Moon?

  2. AnonS says:

    Feminists just want equality you silly bigots……

  3. Anonymous Reader says:

    In general college terms, but especially in STEM the following is true:

    1. Open admissions
    2. High retention
    3. Quality graduates

    Choose any two of the above.

  4. Casey says:

    All is lost.

    When these SJWs and feminists were inundating useless departments of higher education, they were at least cordoned off from doing any demonstrable harm.

    Women now make up 60% of post-secondary, and refuse to relent….more…….MORE…..MORE!!!! is the battle cry of feminism.

    They are now coming for STEM, with the resultant decline in truth, discovery, efficiency, and effectiveness in those fields.

    How well did it go again to give a female engineering firm the contract for a walking bridge that spanned a highway in Florida?

    Oh right, innocent people died.

    Without meritocracy, formal education is on a death march to perdition.

  5. Lexet Blog says:

    Stem is just another industry bubble anyways. Depending on where you are at, and what degree you have, the field is overcrowded. Last time I checked, there were only 3 particular fields in stem that actually needed people.

    This effort really is about making women and girls behave different. They want to force them to go into these fields to bust the “myth” that men are naturally good at stem stuff, and that women don’t desire to work in those fields.

    It’s a failed social experiment. This proves it.

  6. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    I think that everyone should be able to grade their own work. then things will be fair! lol

    the insanity will just never stop…

  7. Anchorman says:

    “within-semester motivational decline”

    i.e. “Math is hard.”

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  9. Minesweeper says:

    LOL – thats incredible, why just they don’t buy their grades – learning and showing ability is sexist !!

    if nothing else, shows where insanity+academia+female entitlement = this (and not the pointer *this – as that’s a patriarchal element of oppression)

  10. feeriker says:

    Hey, they’re already dumbing down medical school so that women and dindus can “feel good about themselves” (the people killed by their incompetence are just “collateral damage”). Why wouldn’t other STEM curricula follow suit?

  11. Jason says:

    “I don’t know why the bridge fell down, I tried really hard. It’s not fair… [sound of sniffles]”.

  12. Anonymous Reader says:

    An example of “perceived effort” that anyone can encounter among 20-something college students are the words “I worked really hard on this assignment!”, as if that makes up for incorrect answers. It is an emotional way of relating rather than a rational way.

    Since the K -12 system has been feminized, both girls and boys have been taught to emote before thinking, or to emote instead of thinking. Because emoting is how women relate, and women’s way of relating is de facto correct – any other alternative is misogyny now.

    I used to wonder how some of the ancient cities became depopulated. Barbarians tore down part of the aqueduct, ok, rebuild it. It did not occur to me that in some places and times there were no men qualified to do that. “How does it make you feel?” is not the way I want the local water system to be operated…

  13. SnapperTrx says:

    Isn’t this how we end up with collapsing bridges over highways?

  14. RagingBeta says:

    This is why a woman’s work is never done.

  15. rocko says:

    The devil in the details is the word “perceived.”

  16. rocko says:

    @minesweeper “LOL – thats incredible, why just they don’t buy their grades – learning and showing ability is sexist !!”

    Or they can use an oldie but goodie and trade booty for good grades with the professors. Anything less than a B- will make the professors liable for the #metoo banhammer.

  17. Jonadab-the-Rechabite says:

    In the war on competatence, incompetence is a protected class.

  18. Sharkly says:

    Didn’t black women get us to the Moon?




  19. casparreyes says:

    Pretty sure the lady who designed that bridge in Florida stayed up all night on the eve of the deadline putting in extra perceived effort. And felt great about it, too.

  20. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    How well did it go again to give a female engineering firm the contract for a walking bridge that spanned a highway in Florida?

    Perhaps the most extreme example of pushing females beyond their skill level is when Llyod Dubroff pushed his 7-year-old daughter, Jessica, to fly a plane across the U.S. in 1996. Jessica crashed on her second flight, killing herself, her dad, and a flight instructor.

  21. Anon says:

    Once again :

    ‘Feminism’, far from helping women, has instead exposed the full extent of female inferiority (moral, intellectual, civic, economic, parental, spousal, spiritual) far more visibly than was ever possible before ‘feminism’.

    Traditional customs benefited women much more than men, as that world kept women out of situations where their inferiority would be exposed, so that they could be fobbed off onto heavily deceived men.

  22. Casey says:

    ‘Perceived Effort’ = Total horseshit.

    It’s no wonder (so-called) Higher Education is damn near worthless at this point in time.
    Nothing will appease this gulag of SJW morons.

    If women excel at some field, it’s meritocracy.
    If women are stumped in some field, it’s “NOT FAIR”.

  23. Casey says:

    @ Red Pill Latecomer

    I remember that story, and speaking as someone who has taken flight training……..she never should have been put in a situation where the instructor didn’t have his hands on the controls during takeoff/landing.

    More to the point, 7 years old is too damn young………..that’s just idiotic.
    You have to be 16 to drive car for God’s sake.

    Everyone paid dearly for that lapse in judgment.

  24. Casey says:

    And heavy rain / sleet = high degree of probability for icing on the wings………never should have left the runway.

    Discretion is the better part of valor.

  25. Anon says:

    and a flight instructor.

    What sort of flight instructor was stupid enough to get on board this deathride?

    The father was a cartoonish virtue-signaller, but the instructor, who has no upside but full downside?

  26. Anon says:

    And people wonder why America is increasingly dependent on workers from Asian countries for STEM needs.

  27. Lost Patrol says:

    “These findings support the notion that grade discouragement leads to within-semester motivational declines…

    I’m siding with the chicks on this one. My entire high school career was marked by motivational decline brought on by grade discouragement. I know just how it feels.

    Also, I’ve been waiting a long time for a thread where I could properly invoke this bedrock of feminism: Perceived Relative Deprivation.

  28. DR Smith says:

    Hmmm…..I’m sure I could sell my business customers on how the software does not work to solve their business issues as they needed, but they should be happy because the “perceived effort” to develop it was very high and should accept the software and not ask for any rework

    Even most feminists would agree the above statement was absurd – yet that basically is what the campus reform article states, that is a woman thinks she worked really, really hard on an assignment, she should be given the grade she expects regardless if the assignment was even completed, much less done correctly.

    Someone somewhere must have killed some brain cells to come up with that convoluted thinking…it truly staggers me how some of these socialists think

  29. Joe says:

    Someone else that got us to the moon… Neil Armstrong. My dad worked with him many years ago (dad also worked on the Apollo program). Also worked on the “flying bedstead” (LLRV, lunar lander research vehicle) that’s shown here, which was the testbed for the lunar lander. It was a b*tch to pilot. My dad worked on the tarmac in a rubber suit in the 100 degree+ heat and the hydrazine.
    He described Armstrong as extremely intelligent, quite, and nerves of steel.
    I have a picture of my dad sitting in the pilots seat of one of the LLRV’s.
    There were versions used through the 60’s. I recall back in the mid-late 60’s dad took me to where he worked. I was allowed to climb the ladder to look in the cockpit. I was 6 or 7 at the time.

  30. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Actress Eva Green has been knighted: https://twitter.com/BeaPerrygreen/status/1003665987990720514

    I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, but I didn’t know that women could become knights.

  31. They can, but they’re called dames. They’re addressed as “Dame So-and-so”, instead of “Sir So-and-so”. And it’s not a new thing – it’s been happening since the late Middle Ages.

  32. They seem to be much more common now, though, than in the past.

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  34. Boxer says:

    They can, but they’re called dames. They’re addressed as “Dame So-and-so”, instead of “Sir So-and-so”. And it’s not a new thing – it’s been happening since the late Middle Ages.

    In the past, though, the people so honored were actually exceptional. What has this latest dame done, aside from acting in big budget films?

    I think it was Cicero who noted that his society’s decline began when actors and entertainers were socially elevated above beggars and prostitutes. The ancient Romans had wisdom that his contemporaries lacked, and we lack it today, too.

    Best,

    Boxer

  35. Hmm says:

    @Boxer: What has this latest dame done, aside from acting in big budget films?

    Brought big bucks (pounds) in for the government to tax. That’s been the rationale at least since the Beatles got their MBEs in the ’60s.

  36. Frank K says:

    Hey, they’re already dumbing down medical school so that women and dindus can “feel good about themselves” (the people killed by their incompetence are just “collateral damage”). Why wouldn’t other STEM curricula follow suit?

    This is one of the reasons why my knee is going to be replaced next month by a nice Jewish surgeon.

  37. stickdude90 says:

    Hey, do you think I can discuss “perceived effort” instead of actual results on my next performance review?

  38. Frank K says:

    And people wonder why America is increasingly dependent on workers from Asian countries for STEM needs.

    There’s no shortage of competent Americans. The Asians are imported to create a surplus and depress wages.

    And while colleges might give the ladies a pass, outside of the Fortune 500 few employers will. Most STEM job candidates are now forced to run a grueling interview gauntlet. I’ve seen some where you are given a non trivial project on a Friday afternoon and are expected to deliver a bullet proof solution by Monday morning. I know of a guy who spent over 20 hours over the weekend on his “homework”. He did impress and got the job.

    Also, in my experience the Fortune 500 AA STEM hires are given make work so they can’t do any harm.

  39. feeriker says:

    What sort of flight instructor was stupid enough to get on board this deathride?

    The sort who was kind enough to take himself out of the gene pool before other innocent people were killed by his irresponsible stupidity.

  40. Frank K says:

    They can, but they’re called dames.

    Dame Judy Dench comes to mind. From wikipedia:

    Dench was appointed Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE) in the 1970 Birthday Honours[125] and Dame Commander of the Order of the British Empire (DBE) in the 1988 New Year Honours

  41. rocko says:

    I’ve seen Eva Green on a few movies. Don’t get me wrong, I thought she was pretty good as Sybilla Queen of Jerusalem in the movie Kingdom of Heaven, but all the movies I’ve seen her in usually have her in some gratuitous topless scene. If that’s why they made her a dame, damn.

  42. feeriker says:

    Also, in my experience the Fortune 500 AA STEM hires are given make work so they can’t do any harm.

    That’s also true in “welfare queen” tech companies (i.e., those that rely on government contracts for the bulk of their business). The sad thing is that the few genuinely good techies who work for these companies are “beshited” by their proximity to the worthless dead wood, making it difficult for them to find employment with real tech companies.

  43. If they implement this, men should think about declaring themselves “legally females” – after all gender is fluid. That will also solve the problem of underrepresentation in the last bastion of patriarchal oppresion, STEM.

    Seriously now, the west is phuked beyond redemtion.

  44. earl says:

    We live in an insane time. Where people want the fantasy to be true and pointing out reality is sexist.

  45. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Dame Judy Dench comes to mind.

    Tracey Ullman has done several skits on Dame Judy Dench:

  46. Anonymous Reader says:

    stickdude90
    Hey, do you think I can discuss “perceived effort” instead of actual results on my next performance review?

    Not as long as you self-identify as “dude”.

    There’s a man down in Argentina who self-identified as a woman specifically so he could retire early…

  47. Anonymous Reader says:

    RPL
    Perhaps the most extreme example of pushing females beyond their skill level is when Llyod Dubroff pushed his 7-year-old daughter, Jessica, to fly a plane across the U.S. in 1996. Jessica crashed on her second flight, killing herself, her dad, and a flight instructor.

    Daddy’s Princess was supposed to set a record for flying across the US. Instead she, Daddy and the flight instructor all died in a preventable accident.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Jessica_Dubroff

  48. DrTorch says:

    I’m shocked that women are exhibiting solipsistic characteristics. Shocked!

    Oh, and I thought someone here already posted this link: https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10918
    “STEM prof offers to boost female students’ grades”

    There’s no shortage of competent Americans. The Asians are imported to create a surplus and depress wages.
    True

    That’s also true in “welfare queen” tech companies (i.e., those that rely on government contracts for the bulk of their business). The sad thing is that the few genuinely good techies who work for these companies are “beshited” by their proximity to the worthless dead wood, making it difficult for them to find employment with real tech companies.
    Also true

  49. Reluctant Neo says:

    Daddy’s flight princess didn’t fly much anyway. She was along for the ride for the most part, including on the fatal flight. It was an Amelia Earhart kind of deal.

  50. Anonymous Reader says:

    @Reluctant Neo

    Daddy’s flight princess didn’t fly much anyway.

    Good point. I should have written “fly” rather than fly. Because as you say, it was indeed an Amelia Earhart ride. The crash did result in legislation to prevent further foolishness of that particular kind.

  51. rdchemist says:

    Probably the main hindrance to anybody studying STEM is the fact that you can conclusively be told that you are wrong when you are wrong and have your ego remain in tact. You can’t BS your way through like the humanities or the arts. Or have your wrong answer “open to interpretation”.

    And that’s in a controlled academic setting while studying stuff that some men and even fewer women already mastered a long time ago. When Doing STEM in the real world, you will be wrong most of the time. Only during the rare times that you are right do you have a breakthrough and are entitled to any satisfaction of solving one of nature’s riddles.

    Post modernists are trying to change this, but there will always be things in the natural world that are objectively true despite feels.

  52. Spike says:

    I work in a tech company. I can confirm that the attitude, “I worked SO hard…I deserve….” is there in spades when it comes to women. It is also there in fatherless men.
    They are the last to get in, the first to clock off (“I’m not paid after this…”).Absenteeism is also higher.
    So too is out-of wedlock births.While the men in the company all get married before having children, not so our Strong Independent INTELLIGENT (“I have a PhD!”) kick-ass girls! Twice I have seen them promise a man (“my boyfriend” – never “my husband”) marriage upon pregnancy, only to renege on the deal. Down the track I expect to hear that “The relationship fell apart”, as if it is an entity independent of the two people in it.
    The hard yards of producing something is done by men, but they are shrinking in numbers where I work. At present the feminist woman boss has installed a 75% female workforce. She hasn’t yet gotten to 100% and achieved full equality, but she’s trying.So hard.

  53. Pathfinderlight says:

    It would be really tragic if grade redistribution caused the best and brightest to avoid college altogether, allowing them to create an institution based on excellence and, based on their experience, a lack of whiney entitled cows.

  54. Boxer says:

    Twice I have seen them promise a man (“my boyfriend” – never “my husband”) marriage upon pregnancy, only to renege on the deal. Down the track I expect to hear that “The relationship fell apart”, as if it is an entity independent of the two people in it.

    Those men should be incredibly thankful for this. Their wimminz would have left them, married or not. Either way, they would have been saddled with child support; but, thanks to their shortsighted wimminz, they have successfully evaded the possibility of lifetime alimony and crippling asset redistribution.

  55. Anon says:

    It would be really tragic if grade redistribution caused the best and brightest to avoid college altogether, allowing them to create an institution based on excellence and, based on their experience, a lack of whiney entitled cows.

    Tragic? That would be glorious!

    Modern universities are a preposterous misallocation of resources, at this point. The one-third that still has value is swamped by the two-thirds that is full-on SJW.

  56. Anonymous Reader says:

    It would be really tragic if grade redistribution caused the best and brightest to avoid college altogether, allowing them to create an institution based on excellence and, based on their experience, a lack of whiney entitled cows.

    Even worse, even more tragic if several such institutions banded together with professional organizations to provide certifications outside of the existing system…

  57. Gunner Q says:

    “Based on surveys of 828 STEM students, the professors conclude that female students believe they work harder than their male classmates for similar grades, indicating that “women’s higher perceived effort levels are not rewarded.””

    This is probably true because this is what lack of aptitude looks like: having to work harder to achieve similar results. But as we all know, the purpose of college is to graduate, not to perform. And graduation doesn’t happen if the less capable wash out.

    California’s college system was designed to have three levels: the bottom level was community colleges that mainly focused on trades and related credentials, the midlevel was California State Universities intended to graduate the bulk of bachelor’s degrees and the University of California was reserved for the truly bright & promising.

    But now, the UC is the Diversity Flagship of the state and all the smart kids go to community college for as long as they can before transitioning to CSU for their last year or two.

  58. earl says:

    So too is out-of wedlock births.While the men in the company all get married before having children, not so our Strong Independent INTELLIGENT (“I have a PhD!”) kick-ass girls! Twice I have seen them promise a man (“my boyfriend” – never “my husband”) marriage upon pregnancy, only to renege on the deal. Down the track I expect to hear that “The relationship fell apart”, as if it is an entity independent of the two people in it.

    Now you see why after a period of time I bring up marriage to a particular woman who is interested in me and keep sex out of it beforehand. It puts the potato in the tailpipe if they are looking to be a strong independant woman who latches off my money to raise her bastard child. This is common sense for me but I get how strong the male sex drive is….women use that against us a lot for their own fantasy plans.

  59. earl says:

    And I’ll also add…if you think this may lead to my frivorce, it’s a little different dynamic when the ‘oppressive’ man brings up the topic of marriage instead of the opportunistic seeking woman. You can get quite a bit of information out of a women this way.

  60. Oscar says:

    Off Topic: Women don’t understand women.

    https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/miss-america-scrapping-swimsuit-competition-longer-judge-based/story?id=55638426

    Miss America is scrapping its swimsuit competition and will no longer judge contestants based on physical appearance, the organization announced Tuesday. “We are no longer a pageant,” Gretchen Carlson, the first former Miss America to be named chair of the Board of Trustees of the Miss America Organization, said on “GMA.” “We are a competition.” In place of the swimsuit portion of the competition, Miss America contestants will now take part in a live interactive session with the judges, according to the organization.

    Beauty pageants, you see, are part of the oppressive patriarchy, even though the people who watch beauty pageants are women and homosexual men. Women watch pageants for an opportunity to judge and criticize women they wish they looked like. It’s cattiness on an industrial scale.

    But hey, I’m sure they’ll equally enjoy watching tattooed, blue-haired fatties “take part in live interactive sessions with the judges”.

  61. Anon says:

    Off Topic: Women don’t understand women.

    Of course. It is always appropriate to tell women that they don’t understand how women think.

    I get surprisingly little resistance when I tell this to (good-looking) women point black in person. They have experienced being unable to predict the behavior of other women themselves.

  62. Oscar says:

    Off Topic: Feminists help you avoid objectifying women

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/finally-a-feminist-cheat-sheet-to-help-you-avoid-sexually-objectifying-women/

    So even if you think you put on those clothes of your own free will, it’s possible that society was actually hiding in your closet handing you things to put on (which is creepy) and that’s why you dressed all sexy (or not sexy). Which means that even though you thought you were empowered, it turns out you’re actually being objectified. And if you choose not to dress in the way you wanted to dress because society tells you that society was telling you it was wrong, then you’re empowered because you’re doing what someone else told you not to do about what someone else told you to do. (This makes total sense. I’m such a good feminist!)

    I know I feel enlightened.

  63. Sharkly says:

    Conversation enriches the understanding, but solitude is the school of genius. ~ Edward Gibbon

    They can teach you a syllabus of material agreed to by consensus. But they can’t teach you general intelligence or where they’re wrong.

    In order to attain the impossible, one must attempt the absurd. ~ Miguel de Cervantes

    Don’t worry about people stealing an idea. If it’s original, you will have to ram it down their throats. ~ Howard H. Aiken

    All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer

    Schools are institutions of learning, learning what is taught. We need more labs and workshops where discoveries are made.

    Research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I’m doing. ~ Wernher Von Braun

    Society expresses its sympathy for the geniuses of the past to distract attention from the fact that it has no intention of being sympathetic to the geniuses of the present. ~ Celia Green

    Did anybody notice how the press was calling Steve Jobs an idiot who was really getting stupid now, right up until the day he died. And then suddenly he was an incredible genius who had walked among us. One day he’s a damn fool, he dies, and the next day, he was a seer.

    FWIW Jobs and Wozniak both dropped out of Cupertino High School. No school teaches you how to invent. Last time I did a job search, nobody was even looking to hire an inventor. Nobody wants the genius man who thinks outside the box and has better ideas. He’s insufferable! No company is looking to develop your original idea. There is money to be made if you can hunt down geniuses, harness them, and let them perform their gift. Most folks can’t recognize one, don’t appreciate one, and won’t open mindedly listen to one who has not already unquestionably proven himself via business success.(and does not want your job) They’re too stuck on; why is this Steve Jobs kid wearing the same shirt and pants again today?

  64. Anon says:

    “We are no longer a pageant,” Gretchen Carlson, the first former Miss America to be named chair of the Board of Trustees of the Miss America Organization, said on “GMA.” “We are a competition.”

    Gretchen Carlson has gone off the deep end.

    i) She was Miss America 1989.
    ii) She parlayed that into a better career than most other Miss Americas manage.
    iii) She got vastly more male attention than most women, that too for a longer duration.
    iv) She got $20M as a settlement from Roger Ailes. None of Harvey Weinstein’s accusers will get anything. She is set for life, but even that is not enough.

    Yet now, having crossed age 50, she finds that she cannot survive without the high level of male attention she has gotten for a long time, and has become a bitter SJW scold. Look for a crew-cut to manifest any day now.

  65. longmarch says:

    I wonder if the authors will get on plane piloted by someone from a flight school that stopped “the sexist policy of grading on actual achievement”
    Stupidity can only grow in the absence of accountability.

  66. Sharkly says:

    Didn’t black women get us to the Moon?

    Yep!
    Those White men would have never gotten off the ground without a Dee-licious breakfast.

  67. earl says:

    Miss America is scrapping its swimsuit competition and will no longer judge contestants based on physical appearance, the organization announced Tuesday. “We are no longer a pageant,” Gretchen Carlson, the first former Miss America to be named chair of the Board of Trustees of the Miss America Organization, said on “GMA.” “We are a competition.” In place of the swimsuit portion of the competition, Miss America contestants will now take part in a live interactive session with the judges, according to the organization.

    I thought that was called the ‘question and answer’ period. You know where they preach for world peace in the Iraq and talk about which flavor of the month social justice project they support. So are they just expanding that competition?

    I’m probably just a heterosexual man though…I do take into account the physical beauty of a woman. It’s not the whole story but it’s a part of it.

  68. Boxer says:

    Yep!
    Those White men would have never gotten off the ground without a Dee-licious breakfast.

    Sharkly nominated for best poaster.

  69. info says:

    @Oscar
    ”Off Topic: Feminists help you avoid objectifying women”

    Putting on the Burkha. Funny how both the founder of Islam and many feminists have evil or absent fathers.

    Both mutually hate father’s and father figures:


  70. earl says:

    Putting on the Burkha. Funny how both the founder of Islam and many feminists have evil or absent fathers.

    They see fathers in a different setting than we would think. They think of them more as oppressive dictators than loving caring patriarchs.

    I was listening to Jeff Cavins talk about Abraham and where Ishmael…the son of him and the Sarai’s handmaiden, Hagar, was the father of the Arab race. Issac as Jews and Christians should know is the son of Abraham and Sarah promised by God. And as such this is why many Jews and Christians see God as a father and they are His sons and daughters and why many Muslims see Allah as a master and they are servants.

    ‘Ishmael is recognized as an important prophet and patriarch of Islam. Muslims believe that Ishmael was the firstborn of Abraham, born to him from his second wife Hagar. Ishmael is recognized by Muslims as the ancestor of several prominent Arab tribes and being the forefather of Muhammad.Muslims also believe that Muhammad was the descendant of Ishmael that would establish a great nation, as promised by God in the Old Testament.’

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael

  71. earl says:

    And if you fellas want some real ‘game’ advice when it comes to the lass you are with…to fitness test her so to speak,

    Just ask her opinion of her father (both in heaven and on earth) or the Patriarchy.

  72. DeNihilist says:

    HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!!!

    (breathe)

    HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!!!

  73. bdash 77 says:

    OT but saw this going wild on twitter
    http://salemalliance.org/resources/media/media-items/114/empower

    Pastor apologizes to all women and cries , he even says a woman could have done his job much better.

    makes all men stand up and says their role in life is to work for women…

    basically it seems like men in Churches are desperate for female leadership…

  74. Dave says:

    Did anyone notice that all these craziness—SJWs, emboldened homos, transgenders, etc.—became much more common during the Obama years? I am not trying to suggest that Obama was responsible for them, but that he may have created the environment where they felt comfortable enough to come out of the woodworks without fear.

  75. bdash 77 says:

    Jesus did not fit the expectations of a masculine, patriarchal culture. He was gentle, wise, humble, meek, prayerful, empathetic, giving, forgiving, righteous, and faithful. There was nothing aggressive, violent, or macho about him. He was the savior they’d been waiting for, but he wasn’t what they assumed. They expected a powerful king to take control and lead by fear. Instead, they got a humble servant who patiently and persistently challenged cultural expectations

    Jesus was not manly….

  76. Moses says:

    Ask the people killed by the collapsed pedestrian bridge in Florida built by women engineers what they think about “perceived effort.”

    Oh, you can’t. Because they’re dead.

  77. Opus says:

    Eva Green. Did I not once see her in a French movie where far from simulating and not off screen either she went down on the leading man.

    They hand out these ‘gongs’ like confetti to actors and actresses. All of her generation have one; Damehoods not just for Dench but also Diana Rigg and Helen Mirren. I propose the following law that the hotter they are in their youth the more embitterted they become as they age. It is worth noting given that she is now an old bag that in the 1968 movie of Midsummer Night’s Dream in which all three of the above mentioned female thespians appeared the one to get her kit off was Dench! It is sad: back then I listened to her a lot on Radio – Chekov’s Ivanov and Ibsen’s Master Builder and had seen her at the cinema in Four in the Morning and He who Rides a Tiger (I was precocious then) – but now ugh, you couldn’t pay me. Saw her too at Stratford and then later again in London as Perdita/Hermione in Winter’s Tale and also in the west end in Pack of Lies. She was good then.

  78. Isa says:

    3rd tier school, BS paper written by two education professors, female bio and ecology and male chem. Always important to know the background… We had blind grading at my uni (student number only) on tests, and male/female grades were roughly equal. TBP had candidate gender percentages equal to the engineering school (I was pres so I had the list).

    Odd they mention the curve as a negative. When the average score is 23% and you received the highest at 50%, you best believe everyone is grateful for the curve. The profs also enjoyed making tests impossible, just to see if people would find solutions they did not think of for their private research. One I remember particuarly was about boomerangs, and the profs next conference papers and publishings were on the same subject. Similar to but far predating this https://info.aiaa.org/Regions/Western/Orange_County/ASAT%20Conference%202014%20Presentations/Vassberg_AIAA.2012-2650.AerodynamicsLecture2012.update.pdf

  79. don bosch says:

    Excellent attempt at a troll, brother.
    Thanks for the laugh.
    db

  80. greenlander says:

    I managed a group of software engineers in Silicon Valley for many years. I recruited many right out of the universities. I needed to hire a lot of people, and decided that doing the university recruiting tour with the HR people was the way to find them.

    I gave all of the prospective engineers simple programming questions. (e.g., write a C function that does $SOME_THING). Simple problems: they could be solved in 10 or 15 minutes by someone who knew their material.

    I never had a single African American candidate make the cut even though I treated them fairly and gave them the same questions I gave everyone else. I concluded the only reason there were there was due to affirmative action. They invariably also had low GPAs.

    To a lesser degree, this was true of the female candidates. They did better than the African Americans, but usually couldn’t solve the problems. I never hired a single one in my career. That probably sounds like discrimination, but I gave them the exact same problems I gave the men.

    I was in a “hot” company that had very high hiring standards. Probably, most of the candidates I passed on ended up going to employers with lower bars, like governments, banks and insurance companies.

  81. Opus says:

    A note on ‘gongs’

    Seeing that America does not admit of distinctions of rank.

    There are loads of awards and a Knight (or Dame) hood is only of middling ranking. Above Knighthoods are such as the coveted Order of Merit (O.M) and the Companion of Honour (C.H.). Those are the ones one really wants and above that are enoblement, almost nowadays to the rank of Baron but occasionally to that of Earl, or should you be a never-heard of American actress and part-time stripper and masseuse, Duchess. Australia and (I suppose) Canada have similar rankings but in our bid for world domination we also hand out Honourary awards such that most American Presidents and one gobby Irish pop-singer are granted Honourary Knighthoods. Charlie Chaplin was granted a Knighthood and Elizabeth Taylor a Damehood – both born on London it has to be explained.

    Always amazes me how despite Congress’s unwillingness to grant such distinctions America’s populace gets round this problem firstly by simply adopting such honour as they see fit – Count Basie, Duke Ellington, Prince, The King or by naming their children after each other call themselves Boxer the third or as the case may be; and then with its copious awards ceremonies and Halls of Fame induct in ceremonies far longer and more extravagant than the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha’s would deem seemly, Inductees therein.

    Hello Earl!
    Hello Sir Hamster!

    Opus, a commoner and humble and loyal subject of the reigning monarch and without award,

  82. rhodigian says:

    @Earl: i like your avatar (St. Maximilian Kolbe , a hero).
    I like your thoughts.

    This is really the ultimate test for women: the 4th commandment: honor the father and the mother.

    (and by extention, every authority figure, in family, society, church … says the Catechism of St. Pious X, a great book, still valid).

  83. Opus says:

    I am puzzled by Greenlanders interesting comment above at 03.54am. Why not merely rely on the degree and its grade – or was it that such could not be relied upon?

    Further on the subject of dumbing-down:

    I have personal and reliable information (from the Chief Examiner himself – I was dating his daughter) of what we as Law Students believed to be the case; namely, that half of all candidates failed. Nowadays half of all candidates are granted First Class degrees. Seventy years ago Doctoral candidates were not always successful and I would guess at about the same percentage. That would surely now be unthinkable. If one has paid the fees one is entitled to the certificate: if one has the certificate the fees must be paid – mutatis mutandis.

    I take no pleasure in this: the rot had begun to set in even before my time. At around the millennium as part of a television reality show a group of sixteen-year-olds who thought themselves the cream of the crop were taken back in time to the 1950s. They were given a 1950s paper (questions they could not have been expected to know having been removed). They all failed. They assumed the paper was one then sat by people of their own age (O’ levels) but in fact it had once been sat by ten year olds (the so-called Eleven Plus).

    Education is a wonderful thing but both Thomas Paine and William Shakespeare had no further education after having left Grammar School (schools for bright but poorer boys).

  84. earl says:

    i like your avatar (St. Maximilian Kolbe , a hero).

    One of my favorites along with St. Louis de Monfort

  85. earl says:

    The importance of the authority question is in the case you should become her husband…you are an authority to her.

  86. rhodigian says:

    I studied in the STEM domain , in a western free country where everyone has good freedom to choose what to study.
    I had few (10% or less of total) girls in my classes. They were brilliant, they outperformed the average male here. They were few, excellent, and motivated. STEM was a natural choice for them, and it showed.
    When choosing stem becomes artificial, I bet this excellence will more than dilute. When you put “a flock” of “Plain Janes” near these excellent minds, you risk them being absorbed by the flock’s behaviour. In the name of what? Progress?

    Progress, we accept every idea. Except truth.

  87. Lost Patrol says:

    Charlie Chaplin was granted a Knighthood and Elizabeth Taylor a Damehood – both born on London it has to be explained.

    Mustn’t forget the soldier’s friend, also Knighted.

    Bob Hope was born Leslie Townes Hope in Eltham, South London, in 1903, the son of a stonemason and a singer. – BBC

  88. Lost Patrol says:

    @ earl

    One of my favorites along with St. Louis de Monfort

    I’ve lately become partial to this hardcore individual: Fra’ Jean Parisot de La Valette

    Are you familiar with his story?

  89. seventiesjason says:

    My fathers test for being a Journeyman carpenter and joiner when he passed in 1965 was hard. He told me that by the early 1990’s they were handing this title out if you could fill in your name and he had carpenters on a job, Union that couldn’t even hang a door properly.

    My father was a lifelong Union man but he even said “the reason why Unions don’t have half the clout they did a generation and a half ago isn’t the fault of Reagan, nor Carter, nor Clinton…….it was the Unions themselves. No one ever got fired. Shabby standards for shoddy work, it was just cheaper to go with a non-Union shop and get the same quality that a Union was supposedly known for……and Unions only taking a political stance in areas they had zero buisness being in”

  90. seventiesjason says:

    Bob Hope was a funny guy. Saw him perform in 1985 in Saratoga Springs, NY. Hilarious show.

  91. Gunner Q says:

    Anon @ June 5, 2018 at 8:34 pm:
    ““We are no longer a pageant,” Gretchen Carlson, the first former Miss America to be named chair of the Board of Trustees of the Miss America Organization, said on “GMA.” “We are a competition.”

    i) She was Miss America 1989.”

    What? *checks* Wow. Cultural arsonist confirmed. I’d assumed she was a problem glasses fatty who never had a chance.

  92. Swanny River says:

    I find it funny that right after Dalrock titles a post of not being able to make this up, Miss USA cancels its swimming suit and evening gown competitions and declares it is no longer a pageant. This being on the heels of the forceful Patterson ouster. My pastor is silent, probably doesn’t care, and will make a sports related joke during the sermon while ignoring all of these important cultural markers of change.

  93. Swanny River says:

    I forgot to add, the TGC is having a big, women’s-conference in Indianapolis soon.
    A brother’s wife is going, and she stays at home and has changed from empowered to helpmate the past decade. He has it good and always says he isn’t interested in the blue-pill impacts on our church when I bring them up. I appreciate his honesty when he tells me he isn’t interested in reading Dalrock or listening about headship, so I didn’t give him any warning about the conference. He is right. his own home is on solid ground and that allows him to focus on other interests. My guess is that she’ll come back saying it drew her closer to God and helps her to submit. The conference will have elements of that undoubtedly, but it’s sad to see the pull and influence the TGC has on my church.

  94. feeriker says:

    This is really the ultimate test for women: the 4th commandment: honor the father and the mother.

    (and by extention, every authority figure, in family, society, church … says the Catechism of St. Pious X, a great book, still valid).

    For this “fitness” test to mean anything in the modern world, you would have to separate the requirement to honor Dad from that to honor Mom. Most women are influenced heavily by and are closer to Mom, so most have no problem honoring her.

    Dad, however, is more problematic. More women than ever before are growing up in or have grown up in homes without Dad, very often because the Mom they honor ejected Dad. Even in homes where Dad is present, in at least three quarters of these Mom overtly disrespects him, setting the example for daughter to follow. As we here all know, “Christian” homes are mostly identical to their non-believing counterparts in this respect.

    Bottom line: 98 percent of women today will fail the “honor they father” fitness test.

  95. feeriker says:

    My pastor is silent, probably doesn’t care, and will make a sports related joke during the sermon while ignoring all of these important cultural markers of change.

    Please don’t tell me that you expected anything else. It should be common knowledge by now that churchian CEOs are gutless cucks whose only interest is in ensuring that their collection plate yields don’t come up short. Decrying the cultural rot that is pagan god(dess) nectar to their world-worshiping customer base won’t do anything to ensure that outcome.

  96. feeriker says:

    My guess is that she’ll come back saying it drew her closer to God and helps her to submit.

    Or she’ll come back having rediscovered her christofeminist demons. Your friend is playing with fire by letting his wife be exposed to anything TGC. I hope he’s been forewarned.

  97. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    I found this on YouTube. A tribute on a couple’s 50th anniversary. I don’t know who they are. But it’s an artifact from a bygone era. A profile of the way things once were.

    My own parents were married for over 50 years.

  98. bdash 77 says:

    the TGC conference literally has a woman speaking with a one month old baby and a house husband….
    any man that sends his wife to that conference is asking for a divorce…

  99. GregMan says:

    When I went through a STEM program in the late-70’s early-80’s, there was a terrific level of attrition for the first couple of years, men as well as women. If you survived until your Junior year you generally could make it through to your degree.
    Certain classes were used deliberately to “wash out” students. Organic Chemistry was one such class; so was Physical Chemistry. If you could make it through those classes, again, you generally could make it through the entire program.
    We used to joke that if you washed out of Engineering or Science you went to the Business School. If you washed out of THAT you ended up in the Education School. Explains a lot about the current state of American education.

  100. bdash 77 says:

    what woman needs to abandon her family and attend a conference?!!!

    The bible is clear that women are to learn theology from their husbands….

    learn how to love their husbands and run a home from other women but TGC is not teaching that at all….

    just enabling gender role reversal

  101. Swanny River says:

    I used to be a big TGC reader and CBMW lover of their main book, so I understand how believers can be immersed in it without realizing the dangers. It’s why “red-pill” is a staying moniker- it’s a big swoosh from what seems so normal.
    The guy and his wife will never get divorced, so the impact is minimal in that case, and I am thankful that is the case. But it does weaken the fight and zeal for truth by moving the Overton Window.
    For example, the response to hair shirt Swanny waving his hands yelling, “warning” will be easily dismissed by everyone comparing me to the wife who will return from the conference smiling and saying how it refreshed her in the Lord.

  102. bdash 77 says:

    haha will see….

    the women there insult men and only praise men for their domestication….

  103. What is the value of G in metre/second squared (acceleration due to gravity) so you can calculate the capacity of any loadbearing structure?

    A) 9.8
    B) 3.5
    C) 11.2
    D) 0.98

    Answer 9.8

    So a bridge built by the engineer who picked B will assume gravity is 1\3 normal. So that 2 ton load limit can be 6 tons.

    Yes! Let’s do that!

  104. feeriker says:

    haha will see….

    the women there insult men and only praise men for their domestication….

    It certainly would be nice to have a RP-sympathetic woman on the inside as a “plant” to report on the goings-on.

  105. Math is math! It’s correct or its not!

    Um ATC, we are fogged in on the approach, what is the Minimum Safe Height on approach?

    Korean Air 801, I’m feeling 3,500, no lets make it 2,800. Hows 1,200 suit you? Whatever you feel like.

    (August 1997 A Boeing 747-300 crashed into Nimitz Hill on approach to Guam, killing 228 of 254 people aboard. The fatigued crew were following outdated flight maps, while ATC had modified its MSAW system to eliminate false alarms.)

  106. Swanny River says:

    Feeriker,
    And it would be encouraging to have more than a few women outside with posters telling the participants to go home and stop crossdressing and more on social media shaming the speakers.

  107. Anon says:

    Women have the majority of student debt :

    https://www.linkedin.com/feed/news/women-hold-majority-of-student-debt-1546314/

    Hallelujah! They are unmarriageable, saving all but the most pathetic manginas and cucks from marrying them (and by default agreeing to pay down her debt).

  108. feeriker says:

    Women have the majority of student debt :

    Owed mostly for degrees in economically worthless majors.

  109. greenlander says:

    I am puzzled by Greenlanders interesting comment above at 03.54am. Why not merely rely on the degree and its grade – or was it that such could not be relied upon?

    It’s the second: you can’t rely on credentials. In Silicon Valley we have a (too) famous test called FizzBuzz[1]. This test should be trivial for anyone that actually went through a computer science or electrical engineering curriculum. A surprising number of CS or EE graduates can’t write it correctly.

    There is a correlation between credentials and ability, but it’s less than you would expect. In my career in Silicon Valley management I interviewed thousands of people for jobs, and came to realize that credentialism is at best a first-pass filter.

    [1] http://wiki.c2.com/?FizzBuzzTest

  110. Swanny River says:

    Anon,
    There are exceptions to the general truth you mentioned, which I think makes for a worse picture. A small number of those women will insist on separate accounts and paying her own debt, but not for good motivations but because she doesn’t want to be too intertwined. Yet those women still wanted and want to be married. It’s a head scratcher how they could have such hatred for the consequences of being married, and yet still wish to be married. The desire for a wedding is only a portion of the reason.

  111. Opus says:

    I was wondering whether any of these four actors were knighted: Cary Grant, Gary Cooper, Ray Milland, Stan Laurel.: They weren’t but (actors sometimes having the reputation for not being exactly bright) Grant and Cooper attended Grammar Schools (that puts them in the top 5 or 10% and Milland and Laurel attended King’s Schools (schools in Cathedral cities founded by the Monarch – hence the name – way before the Mayflower sailed) and perhaps more prestigious than Grammar Schools.

    We only send you our best.

  112. Jim says:

    Instead of sitting back and accepting reality they are super desperate to force fit their fantasy world into the real world. You fucking, idiot Leftist maggots! Get it through your super think skulls! You CAN’T force your childish fantasies into reality.

    I’ve seen more common sense out of 2 year olds. These damned loons are more than just narcissistic. They’re completely stark raving mad!

  113. feeriker says:

    I’ve seen more common sense out of 2 year oldsI’ve seen more common sense out of 2 year olds.

    Two-year-olds haven’t yet had the common sense bred/beaten out of them by the destructive institutions these lunatics have foisted upon society.

  114. Fnu Mnu Lnu says:

    yeah, that was all the flight instructors fault. bad weather, overloaded, and failing to maintain airspeed. the FI should have known better. He was Pilot in Command, and the crash is all on him.

  115. Zeff says:

    @bdash 77

    I object categorically to the idea that Jesus was not manly. His masculinity was not a hollow bravado, but he was unquestionably the alpha in every room, the head of every table. His model of patriarchal headship is explicitly held up as THE model. Although he is tender with his wife, the church, he corrects and instructs her without apology. Have you forgotten that he will rule the nations with a rod of iron, and break them into pieces like pottery?

    Have you never read this? https://m.poets.org/poetsorg/poem/ballad-goodly-fere

  116. Casey says:

    What really killed them was the ‘dog & pony’ show of the next media event for the young girl’s next flight stop.

    The Instructor is absolutely at fault. But what caused him to ignore the weather (the most significant factor – as it certainly would appear to have been wing icing that killed them) was the desperate need to get to the next media circus where this young girl would be praised for her ‘accomplishment’.

    I expect that this was a puppet show. There is no way a 7 year old would have the capacity to file a flight plan, navigate, take-off, and land on her own.

    The instructor would have been inputting into the controls for all but level flight.

    Amelia Earhart reborn………with similar results.

  117. Anon says:

    Amelia Earhart reborn………with similar results.

    Reborn and redied.

  118. Anon says:

    feeriker,

    Owed mostly for degrees in economically worthless majors.

    Worthless? You are way too generous.

    Many of these women have degrees of *negative* economic value. They literally are less employable at 25 than they were at 18. They are also less capable of being a wife and mother.

    Think of the old maid lawyer shrike or HR Harpy or professional feminist. Negative economic value, in that they destroy the output of productive men in addition to their own non-production.

  119. Oscar says:

    @ GregMan says:
    June 6, 2018 at 11:33 am

    “When I went through a STEM program in the late-70’s early-80’s, there was a terrific level of attrition for the first couple of years, men as well as women.”

    I graduated with a degree in mechanical engineering in 2003. When I started, I attended classes with 100+ fellow students . By senior year, that had dwindled to 10 or fewer students per class.

    That’s the way it should be.

  120. rhodigian says:

    >For this “fitness” test to mean anything in the modern world, you would have to separate the requirement to honor Dad from that to honor Mom.

    Yes My friend. When you speak about this, a bible verse comes to my mind:
    Acts of Apostles 2,20 *”The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come”*

    One of the possible readings is: The Sun (the father figure) will be obscured, the Moon (the mother figure) will turn violent. …
    But be sure that the day of the Lord will come. (in the history, and in the personal history of everyone).

    If you like, i leave the next verse for you to read, it’s refreshing.

  121. rdchemist says:

    Gregman says,

    “Certain classes were used deliberately to “wash out” students. Organic Chemistry was one such class; so was Physical Chemistry. If you could make it through those classes, again, you generally could make it through the entire program.”

    Physical chemistry (PChem) was the washout class. You needed to know calculus and have an intuitive sense of how chemical systems operate.

    Organic Chem had almost no math to worry about and many women would stick it out because it was often a requisite for biology or life science majors that women tend to gravitate to in STEM.

    If women choose nursing, then they only needed general Chem.

    If a woman made it through PChem, she was probably Asian.

    My experience in the 90s.

  122. Sharkly says:

    You can’t make this stuff up, but it is predictable.
    “Study calls for females to have a shorter working week than men because many are on the brink of dangerous burnout”

    Link to story:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5814559/Men-Mars-women-Venus-terrifying-truth-experts-call-shortened-work-week-girls.html

    LOL Pretty soon they’ll discover women would have been better off to keep house full time and leave the outside careers to their devoted husbands.

  123. Luke says:

    I have two Geology degrees. Back as an undergraduate junior, I knew a classmate female slightly (her and my parents were friends). She and I were taking a pair of classes in opposite terms with the same instructors, where a class I took in Fall, she took in Spring, and vice versa. We lent each other our lab notebooks in Spring. Her work was routinely A) inferior to mine, and B) received higher grades. Both instructors were 50-ish white males.

  124. Farm Boy says:

    The proposal was presented by employees calling for Google’s parent company to commit financially to ending the gender pay gap and promoting a more inclusive environment. But, as Reuters reports, despite strong rhetoric from employees about how “a gender pay gap and lack of diversity could make it difficult for the company to hire and retain workers, posing a long-term risk to its ability to innovate,” shareholders shot down the idea.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/31560/google-management-votes-not-put-its-money-where-james-barrett

  125. Laura says:

    @Opus — I’ve read that David Niven never got a knighthood because he was considered a tax dodger due to having had Swiss residency starting in the 60s. But he returned to England as soon as WWII started and served in the British Army for the entire war. Other English actors of his generation got knighthoods but stayed in America the whole war.

    Niven was obviously intelligent but had some sort of mathematics disability that kept him out of the Navy.

    It really is remarkable if it is true that one can perform sex acts on film and still be knighted by Her Majesty. I would have thought that there would be some sort of careful background check to sift out people with scandalous private lives. There is nothing more public than having appeared onscreen in a sex romp so the Queen’s administration MUST have known.

  126. Original Laura says:

    I just posted as Laura, and I should have posted as Original Laura. It wouldn’t matter except that there was recently someone else posting as “Laura.”

  127. Sharkly says:

    Luke says: I have two Geology degrees.

    Can you tell us what is going to happen on the Big Island of Hawaii?

  128. Luke says:

    Sharkly, that’s not my exact area of expertise, as I’m a soft-rock guy, and vulcanology is hard-rock stuff. That said, any volcanoes in islands such as Hawaii are going to be basaltic. That means the eruptions just pour out rather than explode, enlarging the place slightly more than acting like atomic bombs. This is due to lower volatiles (water/CO2) and lower silica content, compared to a Mt. St. Helens, say.

  129. poetentiate says:

    I expect any woman who wants to have a relationship with me to respect me at least as much as I respect her, so I guess I’ll never get married

  130. javier says:

    Intelligent people are leaving college behind anyway. What you’re going to see in the future is a “credentialism crisis” where women with participation trophy degrees bemoan losing job offers to degree-less men who actually know how to code.

  131. pencil pusher says:

    Seize the means of STEM grading!

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