The SWBTS Board of Trustees wasn’t reacting to #MeToo, they were merely proactively assessing Patterson’s current job performance.

As Dr. Albert Mohler, President of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, explained in reaction to Paige Patterson being removed by the South Western Baptist Theological Seminary (SWBTS) Board of Trustees Southern Baptists have been in the grips of a #MeToo social justice mob (emphasis mine):

The last few weeks have been excruciating for the Southern Baptist Convention and for the larger evangelical movement. It is as if bombs are dropping and God alone knows how many will fall and where they will land.

America’s largest evangelical denomination has been in the headlines day after day. The SBC is in the midst of its own horrifying #MeToo moment.

At one of our seminaries, controversy has centered on a president (now former president) whose sermon illustration from years ago included advice that a battered wife remain in the home and the marriage in hope of the conversion of her abusive husband. Other comments represented the objectification of a teenage girl. The issues only grew more urgent with the sense that the dated statements represented ongoing advice and counsel.

The #MeToo moment Mohler described started when Southern Baptist women agitated on social media for Patterson to be fired based on past statements he had made.  This culminated with a May 6th letter signed by thousands of angry Southern Baptist women demanding that Patterson be removed as head of SWBTS.  The letter from the angry women was addressed to Pastor Ueckert and the Board of Trustees, and strongly suggested that if they didn’t fire Patterson, the world would think they were the kind of men who either abused and objectified women, or covered for men who did (emphasis mine):

Dear Pastor Ueckert and Board of Trustees,

We are concerned Southern Baptist women who affirm the Baptist Faith and Message 2000, including its statements on the roles of men and women in the family and in the church. We urge you to exercise the authority you have been given by the churches of the Southern Baptist Convention and to take a strong stand against unbiblical teaching regarding womanhood, sexuality, and domestic violence.

We are shocked by the video that has surfaced showing Dr. Paige Patterson objectify a teenage girl and then suggest this as behavior that is biblical. We are further grieved by the dangerous and unwise counsel given by Dr. Patterson to women in abusive situations. His recent remarks of clarification do not repudiate his unwise counsel in the past; nor has he offered explanation or repentance for inappropriate comments regarding a teenage girl, the unbiblical teaching he offered on the biblical meaning of womanhood in that objectification, and the inappropriate nature of his own observations of her body.

The world is watching us all, brothers. They wonder how we could possibly be part of a denomination that counts Dr. Patterson as a leader. They wonder if all Southern Baptist men believe that the biblical view of a sixteen-year-old girl is that she is “built” and “fine” —an object to be viewed sexually. They wonder if all Southern Baptist pastors believe it is acceptable to counsel an abused woman in the way that Dr. Patterson has done in the past. They wonder if the Jesus of the Bible is like such men. We declare that Jesus is nothing like this and that our first duty as Southern Baptists is to present a true picture of Jesus to the world.

The day after the letter was published, The Washington Post picked up the story with the breathless headline ‘We are shocked’: Thousands of Southern Baptist women denounce leader’s ‘objectifying’ comments, advice to abused women.  Just over two weeks later, the SWBTS Board of Trustees announced their decision to remove Patterson as President.  Seven days after that, the SWBTS Board of Trustees Executive Committee released another letter announcing that it was stripping Patterson of all remaining honors and benefits based on his handling of a rape accusation while he was heading another seminary (Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary) in 2003 (emphasis mine):

During the May 30, 2018, Executive Committee meeting of the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary (SWBTS) Board of Trustees, new information confirmed this morning was presented regarding the handling of an allegation of sexual abuse against a student during Dr. Paige Patterson’s presidency at another institution and resulting issues connected with statements to the Board of Trustees that are inconsistent with SWBTS’s biblically informed core values.

Deeming the information demanded immediate action and could not be deferred to a regular meeting of the Board, based on the details presented, the Executive Committee unanimously resolved to terminate Dr. Paige Patterson, effective immediately, removing all the benefits, rights and privileges provided by the May 22-23 board meeting, including the title of President Emeritus, the invitation to reside at the Baptist Heritage Center as theologian-in-residence and ongoing compensation.

Under the leadership of Interim President Dr. Jeffrey Bingham, SWBTS remains committed to its calling to assist the churches of the Southern Baptist Convention by biblically educating God-called men and women for ministries that fulfill the Great Commission and glorify God.

Further, the Seminary stands against all forms of abuse and grieves for individuals wounded by abuse. Today, Dr. Bingham made it clear that SWBTS denounces all abusive behavior, any behavior that enables abuse, any failure to protect the abused and any failure to safeguard those who are vulnerable to abuse. Additionally, Dr. Bingham called for the SWBTS community to join the Body of Christ in praying for healing for all individuals affected by abuse.

Note that the SWBTS board says it decided that the new information presented against Patterson stemming from 15 years prior, before Patterson was associated with SWBTS, was so urgent that they could not wait for a regular meeting of the board, and decided then and there to strip him of all honors and benefits.  According to one defense of Patterson, this second meeting was conducted while Patterson was out of the country, and he therefore had no opportunity to defend his actions.

After midnight in Germany, while Patterson was sleeping, the chairman of the board of trustees, Kevin Ueckert, ordered Scott Colter to wake Patterson for a phone call. On the call, Ueckert told Patterson he was fired effective immediately, with no salary, no health insurance and no home. He then relayed that Patterson would receive instructions for vacating Pecan Manor upon returning to Fort Worth.

Before the phone call, both Pattersons’ and Colter’s email accounts, including personal contacts and calendar, were shut down without notice and while the three were traveling in Germany on behalf of Southwestern, leaving them without access to itineraries, train tickets, local contact information, hotel confirmation and flight boarding passes.

Two days later Kevin Ueckert, Chairman of the SWBTS Board of Trustees, released yet another press release explaining that he and the entire board were not reacting to the #MeToo hysteria, and their decisions were strictly made based on Patterson’s current performance (emphasis mine):

Based on a number of follow-up questions I have received this week, I am providing this additional statement related to our May 30, 2018 statement. The unanimous decision by the Executive Committee to immediately terminate Dr. Paige Patterson was prayerfully considered and warranted.

We confirmed this week through a student record, made available to me with permission, that an allegation of rape was indeed made by a female student at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in 2003. This information contradicts a statement previously provided by Dr. Patterson in response to a direct question by a Board member regarding the incident referenced in our May 30 statement. The 2003 rape allegation was never reported to local law enforcement. SWBTS will not release the student record to the public without additional appropriate permissions.

Ultimately, the decision of the Executive Committee to immediately terminate Dr. Patterson was clear and unanimous.

I also want to reiterate what SWBTS Interim President Dr. Jeffrey Bingham said earlier this week. SWBTS denounces all abusive behavior, any behavior that enables abuse, any failure to protect the abused, and any failure to safeguard those who are vulnerable to abuse.

In this difficult situation, the Executive Committee based its decision on the current performance of the president and did not allow the legacy of Dr. Patterson or the #MeToo pressure to steer the outcome. We did not react; rather, we decisively exercised our responsibility based on the Seminary’s biblically informed core values and integrity.

Note how Chairman Ueckert genuflects to the angry mob immediately before claiming that the decision was not in response to the angry mob.  Note also that he first reiterates the claim that Patterson mishandled a rape allegation 15 years ago, before Patterson worked for SWBTS, before claiming that the board’s decision was based purely on Patterson’s current performance.  Ueckert further claims the board wasn’t reacting to #MeToo pressure punish Patterson, but was being proactive.

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68 Responses to The SWBTS Board of Trustees wasn’t reacting to #MeToo, they were merely proactively assessing Patterson’s current job performance.

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  2. dpmonahan says:

    Any man claiming to be shocked an appalled by another man checking out a teenage hottie is a liar and a hypocrite.

  3. Gary Eden says:

    Liar is a good description for the pack of them. They’ve shown who their god is in innumerable ways.

  4. Isaiah 33:6 says:

    This is a political movement launched, I think, in January of this year. Ann Voskamp, Beth Moore, Kay Warren were early promoters. http://www.silenceisnotspiritual.org/about-us/
    I came across this early this year, shuddered for every pastor that would be consumed and ruined by it. I left a comment about it on this blog earlier this year, as a head-up. I hope there is a quick split in the SBC. Though there is much damage being done by these righteous nannies, a quick split would lessen it somewhat. Sadly, the 20-21st century history of mainline denominations advises it will be otherwise.

  5. Lexet Blog says:

    They fired Eric Johnson like this too (over different issues). Just like Eric Johnson, Heath lambert is behind this effort to fire Patterson. He is an arrogant punk that was given a PhD in idiocy. Mohler and Moore refused to step in for Johnson. They do the same now. This isn’t about Patterson’s statement, but about SBC politics and trying to staff SBC agencies with certain people.

    It’s patheic

  6. RagingBeta says:

    Are there any names attached to this letter? Do they just “ass”ume that it’s women writing?

  7. “this second meeting was conducted while Patterson was out of the country, and he therefore had no opportunity to defend his actions”

    He’s a man, and a man accused of wrongdoing at that. He doesn’t deserve to defend himself. What, you don’t automatically believe accusers–I mean, victims? You meanie.

  8. SnapperTrx says:

    The gospel of C.Y.A., apparently.

  9. Damn Crackers says:

    So, Southern Baptist Women have dumped the Gospel for the SCUM Manifesto. Wonderful.

  10. squid_hunt says:

    “from years ago”

    All you need to know about the situation.

    Look, if we’re going to have the church taken over by a pile of heretics, could they at least have a spine? You guys really need to man up and stop equivocating to attempt to appease everyone at once. Aren’t there any real men among the heretics?

  11. Gary Eden says:

    Evangelical women of all stripes are died in the wool feminists. Just look at how many of them cover their heads in prayer as did all Christian women everywhere until feminism arrived. They’re in open rebellion against God.

  12. Oscar says:

    When will people learn that Leftist mobs can’t be satisfied?

  13. Joe says:

    “RagingBeta says:
    June 4, 2018 at 12:11 pm
    Are there any names attached to this letter? Do they just “ass”ume that it’s women writing?”
    **************************************************************************************************
    Scroll to the bottom. At the bottom of the letter are all the names, and the Churches they go to.
    “Men” signed it as well.
    This will facilitate seeing if any “men” (or women from your Church signed it. Just hit CTRL+F and type in your church name to do a quick search since the list isn’t sorted.

  14. Joe says:

    Wait… who is the author of the letter?
    It doesn’t say.

  15. Joe says:

    Looks like the “men” did their own letter!
    https://swbtsletter-men.com/

    Again, we don’t know the authors of either of these.

    Why do I smell a rat?

  16. DrTorch says:

    If they needed to fire him, then you call him, and tell him his itinerary as changed and he’s to come home immediately.

    Doing it the way they did is clearly for show, and to send a message as to who is in charge.

    I have long insisted that evangelicalism is idolatry. It elevates evangelism above obedience and faithfulness to God. In the past there was a veneer put up that made a reasonable argument that evangelical leaders were in service to God. They clearly don’t care about that pretense anymore.

  17. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Gary Eden: Evangelical women of all stripes are died in the wool feminists. Just look at how many of them cover their heads in prayer as did all Christian women everywhere until feminism arrived. They’re in open rebellion against God.

    Modern “Christian” women believe in an all-loving, non-judgemental God.

    God, as envisioned by modern “Christian” women:

  18. squid_hunt says:

    @DrTorch

    They clearly don’t care about that pretense anymore.

    You obviously missed the part where they stated in clear (and unsubstantiated) English that his view was anti-biblical, huh?

  19. DrTorch says:

    You obviously missed the part where they stated in clear (and unsubstantiated) English that his view was anti-biblical, huh?

    Their actions speak louder than their words. huh

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  21. Hazelshade says:

    Dalrock’s subjects love that word “biblical” lately. Every use is somehow more cringe-worthy than the last.

  22. ys says:

    The gutlessness continues. I wouldn’t be surprised if the board was flat-out lying, in the sense of falsifying documents to be honest.

    For those on twitter, I heartily recommend following this individual. He’s even linked to Dalrock and Rollo.

    @woke_Tgc

  23. Cane Caldo says:

    Thanks for that, ys.

  24. Robert What? says:

    Remind me: objectifying women is a bad thing, right?

  25. Anonymous Reader says:

    SWTS board of trustees to Patterson: “Look, just look what you made us do!”.
    This fig leave is translucent. Pretty soon they’ll be transparent.

    SJW’s / feminists are like the Red Queen in Looking Glass land: “Sentence first, trial afterwards!”. Eventually some org will refuse to play. Then we’ll see who stands where.

  26. Anonymous Reader says:

    Remind me: objectifying women is a bad thing, right?

    Bad when they don’t want it. Good when they do.

    Fried ice. Same stuff different day, because AWALT.

  27. Lexet Blog says:

    A good litmus test is if they wear a head covering. If they don’t, they do not take instruction seriously.

  28. Lost Patrol says:

    “We did not react;” – Kevin Ueckert

    Kevin, dude, sorry I’m late with this information, I didn’t know there was a meeting; but putting that in your statement says waaay too much…

  29. Scott says:

    The worst thing I ever did was let my wife get a seminary degree (MS Christian Education) from SEBTS. There are some blue pill mistakes the red pill can’t undo.

  30. Sharkly says:

    SWBTS denounces all abusive behavior, any behavior that enables abuse, any failure to protect the abused, and any failure to safeguard those who are vulnerable to abuse.

    Luke 6:27 “But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. 29 To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic either. 30 Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. 31 And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them. 32 “If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. 35 But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. 36 Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful.

    Wow! They publish a letter denouncing Jesus Christ who preached about enduring abuse and even giving aid to the abuser.
    If I follow their logic; If I suspect a pastor might damage my home by preaching Feminism, instead of failing to protect and failing to safeguard my wife and children from his heresy, I should proactively break the hirelings jaw so it will be wired shut. Those whores are enemies of Christ! Who was our example in allowing Himself to be slain for the sins of others. The Lord rebuke them!

  31. Jim says:

    Remind me: objectifying women is a bad thing, right?

    Bad when they don’t want it. Good when they do.

    Fried ice. Same stuff different day, because AWALT.

    Cunts are gonna cunt.

  32. Sharkly says:

    They wonder if all Southern Baptist men believe that the biblical view of a sixteen-year-old girl is that she is “built” and “fine” —an object to be viewed sexually.

    What a bullshit smear. Paige never said 16 year old girls were objects to be viewed sexually.
    He was relating an anecdote where a young boy spoke according to his masculine impulse and showed appreciation for God’s handiwork in making womankind helpers and mates suitable to men.
    Is no woman ever “fine”? Is the weaker vessel always crude too, never fine? Did God create no fine young women for that fine young man?

    I have come to read that God created women to be helpers and mates for men.(Helpmate) I have also come to realize that Feminists imply that viewing a woman as a sexual mate, and a helper, a tool, to be used to further the husbands plans and goals, is now considered objectification.

    Again, if considering a wife to be a means of suitable mating and a helpful tool in your life’s endeavors is “objectifying”, then God is the Father of that objectification, and I want to follow Him.

    Yes, I objectify my wife! I see her as “Fine” and “Built”, and I’d like to rock her world with passionate sex, right this moment. I also think it is OK to use her as a tool to further my personal, family, and heavenly goals.

    Hi, my name is Sharkly, and I’m an objectifyer of women, and proud to follow the all-wise God who created women for that expressed purpose.

    Woe be to the hirelings who taught my wife to rebel against that! If they don’t repent of their teaching rebellion against God, when they burn in the lake of fire with the Beast and the other False Teacher, I’ll be forever praising the Holiness of God who keeps them there.

  33. earl says:

    Remind me: objectifying women is a bad thing, right?

    Bad when they don’t want it. Good when they do.

    Fried ice. Same stuff different day, because AWALT.

    It’s bad when older-ugly women witness men doing it with younger-feminine women. Probably because men like that and not the she beast obese slut feminist. I guarentee you the women most offended by this story were not 16 year olds.

    But it’s good when it happens to them.

  34. Swanny River says:

    I am glad to see the Board taking their own advice to cross-dress. Just substitute,”this is not a reaction” with, “we believe in headship.”

  35. Sharkly says:

    Objectification? Sounds like the unhinged are now prosecuting their new “Thought Crimes”.

    Paige should have never indulged their “Women’s Studies” sexist foolishness.

  36. freebird says:

    “If they needed to fire him, then you call him, and tell him his itinerary as changed and he’s to come home immediately.”

    That’s what reasonable honorable men would do.
    But men w/o honor or loyalty….
    They shall all hang separately.

    The old joke was: ‘How do you know a politician is lying?
    The new joke is: How do you know a pastor is lying?
    Bringing in the sheaves, oh bringing in the sheaves,we shall come rejoicing,bringing in the sheaves.

  37. seventiesjason says:

    What a crock! I served on the Board of Trustees of my undergrad from 1999-2003. Announcements like this are ALWAYS a reaction. ALWAYS.

    When I was serving, my undergrad was going through a huge financial crisis. “The Burlington Free Press” and “Rutland Herald” in Vermont at the time liked my quotes. I played a very John Lennon role at the time. “Just tell it like it is, you know.”

    But Boards are never caught off gurad. Their statements are ALWAYS reactions to something. ALWAYS. No accidents in THAT world. I can assure you

  38. bdash 77 says:

    they are all full of feminism
    https://warhornmedia.com/2018/05/02/a-primer-for-men-pick-up-your-clothes/

    why does a man need a wife if it is wrong for a man to expect his wife to do stuff for him?!

    allowing your wife to do your laundry ( helping her husband, managing her home) is now a grave sin….

    if men are POLICED right down to this tiny thing , feminism has already won.

  39. earl says:

    ‘No woman—not your mother and certainly not your wife—should ever have to pick up your dirty clothes and place them in the clothes hamper. Soft men are thoughtless and inconsiderate. Soft men take their wife and mother for granted.’

    Soft men keep feminism going.

    ‘Come on, man up and think about your dear wife or mother. Don’t let her do the stuff you can do yourself.’

    Man up and think about your Father in heaven.

    ‘And if she has trouble staying ahead of the dirty clothes, don’t let it irritate you. Instead, do as my dad did and drop your clothes off at a laundry. When she sees how much money it costs, she might decide to change her ways.’

    Or voice the fact it irritates you. Women are always expressing they want more communication from their man in a relationship aren’t they?

  40. earl says:

    Any man claiming to be shocked an appalled by another man checking out a teenage hottie is a liar and a hypocrite.

    My guess is it was more of the female side of things who were shocked and appalled.

  41. Mark Anders says:

    Thank you so much my friend for this piece! In my opinion what the trustees have done and just the whole thing in general has the distinct smell of smoke and sulfur.

  42. Jonadab-the-Rechabite says:

    The SBC is ruled by an angry mob of women and weak men who fear them. Seems they now operate under the principle of “the beginning of wisdom is the fear of women!” Now I wonder is there a man who still fears the Lord, at least enough to tell women to repent and rebuke weak men who enable hysteria to impair just process.

  43. American says:

    The worst are the feminists who get up in the pulpit and start “preaching” “sermons” like “Jesus made me a feminist.” It’s painful to watch them misinterpret scripture out of context so badly to grasp for what they want like Eve reaching for the apple.

  44. earl says:

    Well if feminism was all about loving the Father and submitting to their husband in marriage like the church…then they could make a case that Jesus made them a feminist.

  45. ray says:

    “Additionally, Dr. Bingham called for the SWBTS community to join the Body of Christ in praying for healing for all individuals affected by abuse.”

    You can pray all you want but He won’t hear you. Simple reason that you are not in the Body.

    Neither is any other person in rebellion against Him. That includes this weakling Mole-her, every single one of those treacherous ‘Baptist’ women (I loathe to connect these fakes with the great John the Baptist, who not coincidentally was murdered via collusion of females and a gelded chump with a crown). What these people are doing is not merely sin; we all have sin, and plenty. What they’re doing is joining with the Accuser of the Brethren, then calling themselves shepherds of the King.

    None of these persons cited by the OP are in the Body of Christ, and without repentance of these specific rebellions they will remain outside with the dogs, hyenas, liars, thieves, and other cowards.

    ‘Crazy Al’ Mole-her — “Among the issues of hottest theological debate was the role of women in the home and in the church. The SBC has affirmed complementarianism — the belief that the Bible reveals that men and women are equally made in God’s image, but that men and women were also created to be complements to each other, men and women bearing distinct and different roles.”

    Belief? Whose belief? Who told you men and women are ‘equally made in God’s image’? They are NOT equal. MAN is made in God’s image (inspired pneuma). The woman is made from the man. As a comfort and helper to her lord — the man. As a complement, yes, but NOT as an equal, see ‘pneuma’ supra. You don’t like it? It’s unfair and sexist? It’s unconstitutional? It degrades and abuses poor oppressed women?

    Tough. God did it, God said it. Albert Mohler, you are a rebel against God and will be treated as such unless in repentance. Same for your buddies. You are not God’s shepherds, you’re not even among His sheep. Know what that leaves?

    I’ll be sure to tell all my friends about you folks, and your good works on behalf of their King. Good luck.

  46. info says:

    @Dalrock

    What’s your response to this man’s thoughts on Paige Patterson?
    http://www.singlemind.net/?p=9791#comment-947837

  47. info says:

    This one by Amir:
    http://www.singlemind.net/?p=9791

    disregard the above link.

  48. pariah says:

    If the St. Paul were here, and he was part of the SBC, he would be treated far worse than Patterson.

  49. Sharkly says:

    info,
    It looks like a rant about the same stuff, and lurid tales of secret coverup that don’t get spelled out.
    Then there is this:
    Among that information: a stated desire to meet with a student who was reporting a rape to “break her down”.
    While that is worded in a way to cause maximum outrage, it is just three words not given in context.
    I presume Paige may have been told already that their was dubious merit to her potentially life destroying(for the accused) claims, and what he was meaning was, that like an interrogator he was going to break her story down with her and get to the truth for the benefit of everyone.

    The author also calls his enemies “Talibanized Christianity”. LOL I’ve been called Taliban and ISIS both for not being beguiled enough by the doctrines of Satan’s churchian Feminism. It is the feminist version of calling somebody a Nazi. Basically the author is just reduced to name calling at that point.

    Among that information: a stated desire to meet with a student who was reporting a rape to “break her down”.
    For what it is worth I cannot see my children without supervision right now(going on 6 months) because of a sarcastic comment I wrote in an e-mail that was then, not quoted, but mischaracterized by my wife’s lawyer and her description of my comment was then given to the judge as my “Stated intention”.
    I now know how this tarring & feathering works.

  50. earl says:

    If the St. Paul were here, and he was part of the SBC, he would be treated far worse than Patterson.

    Considering how he was treated by his fellow Jews after his conversion…you are probably right.

  51. Damn Crackers says:

    Behold the New Gospel:

    Behold a new Christ
    Behold the same old horde
    Gather at the altering
    New beginning, new word
    And the word was death
    And the word was without light
    The new beatitude:
    “Good luck…”

    What of the pious, the pure of heart, the peaceful?
    What of the meek, the mourning, and the merciful?
    What of the righteous?
    What of the charitable?
    What of the truthful, the dutiful, the decent?

    Doomed are the poor
    Doomed are the peaceful
    Doomed are the meek
    Doomed are the merciful
    For the word is now death
    And the word is now without light
    The new beatitude:
    “F*ck the doomed, you’re on your own”

  52. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Nadia Bloz-Weber has a blog called Sarcastic Lutheran: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nadiabolzweber/

    Because the Lord loves a sassy mouth.

  53. ray says:

    pariah — “If the St. Paul were here, and he was part of the SBC, he would be treated far worse than Patterson.”

    He would be arrested minutes after opening his mouth in truth. 100% guarantee.

    The churchian fakes would hand him over for ‘Verbal Harrassment’ etc. He’d be cuffed, possibly leg-chained (yes, still v much in use in Amerika — for males). He’d be assigned a PD who he would first see two minutes before his preliminary hearing, at which a fem-judge would appear on teevee in the holding room, and rule on his fate in one or two minutes.

    Then the ‘church’ and ‘courts’ and the lovely town all would sit down to lunch, and feast with full hearts, having dispensed justice to the uppity and rebellious. Then they’d arise, wipe their mouths, and return to their vomit with pride and satisfaction.

    “Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth, and wipeth her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness.” (Proverbs 30)

    Treacherous whore of a nation.

  54. Boxer says:

    Nadia Bloz-Weber has a blog called Sarcastic Lutheran:

    Oh LOL! Thanks for finding this. Priceless!

  55. Lost Patrol says:

    @ RPL

    Nadia Bloz-Weber

    How did the future get here already? I thought it would be later…

  56. MKT says:

    “If the St. Paul were here, and he was part of the SBC, he would be treated far worse than Patterson.”

    First of all, he wouldn’t be a Baptist, but jokes and denominational differences aside, he’d fare very poorly in the current SBC climate…or that of most other denoms, even other so-called conservative ones. As soon as he talked about women being silent in the church, the TGC/ERLC/SBC Trinity (Russell/Beth Moore, Mohler and Ron “Thabiti” Burns) and their minions would lead a blog/social media lynch mod that would make the Patterson assault look like a friendly potluck lunch.

  57. Damn Crackers says:

    Did you folks read her Denver Statement?

    Article 1 -WE AFFIRM that God has created humanity out of love and for the purpose of love.
    WE DENY that God intends marriage as a gift only to be enjoyed by those who happen to be heterosexual, cis-gendered and fertile.

    Article 2
    WE AFFIRM that God created us as sexual beings in endless variety.
WE DENY that the only type of sexual expression that can be considered holy is between a cis-gendered, heterosexual, married couple who waited to have sex until they were married. But if you fit in that group, good for you, we have no problem with your lifestyle choices.

    Article 7 WE AFFIRM that there is no longer male or female but all are one in Christ Jesus our Lord.
WE DENY any self-conception that presumes one is capable of knowing God’s holy purposes for other people, and that such self-conceptions can be consistent with the Gospel of grace, love, and mercy as demonstrated in holy scripture.

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nadiabolzweber/2017/08/the-denver-statement/

    It’s official. To be Christian is to be trans-gay.

  58. seventiesjason says:

    Right now. In The Salvation Army an Officer (pastor) *may* be dismissed for performing a same sex wedding. There was a case in the UK a few years back but he was told “never do that again” and was retained as an Officer.

    In “The Salvationist” the UK / Northern Ireland territorial news-magazine…..a Lt Colonel made a sweeping statement that “he didn’t believe the Bible…but would rather follow Jesus only”

    1st Doctrine of The Salvation Army from 1865: We believe that Bible of the Old and New Testament are the divine inspired Word of God. Wholly true and it is the only book for the fit and proper practice for the worship of God and of what God has said, done, and will do.

    SO….was this Officer stripped of command and removed???? The angry letters that poured in from all over the territory and on the webpage expressed serious concern and outrage from rank and file Soldiers. A few Officers as well.

    The response from the newspaper????? He is entitled to his opinion, and we stand behind his Officership. The discussion in the editorial section was”closed”

    All of this throughout western Protestant Christendom is now spreading fast and moving quickly. Rank and file Christians who do believe and are devout are now being silenced by the self-righteous “educated” class who have a piece of paper that says they have a degree in Divinity. It’s a cultural snobbery that will drive more away,

    The founder, William Booth made the requirements to be “General” in the Salvation Army before he went to Glory of: “even the lowliest and must humble Soldier can be nominated for General.” This was aroun 1910.

    His contemporaries asked “why??” at the time. He plainly stated “There will be a time when only a lowly and humble Soldier will be able to lead the fight when the Officer class turns its back on Christ!”

  59. MKT says:

    “Did you folks read her Denver Statement?”

    Awful, but did anyone actually sign that? It looks like it’s just a reaction and counter-response to the Nashville Statement. I’m sure some far left mainliners would support it, though.

  60. AnonS says:

    They must really hate that God only seems to bless hetro sex with the gift of life.

  61. MKT says:

    This guy definitely ended his higher career aspirations in the SBC:
    https://www.al.com/news/anniston-gadsden/index.ssf/2018/05/sylacauga_pastor_apologizes_fo.html

  62. MKT says:

    Talk about not being able to make something up…there’s now talk of Beth Moore being the new SBC president. I thought the first link might be a Babylon Bee/Onion type of thing, but then found the second link.

    http://pulpitandpen.org/2018/06/05/sbc-leaders-float-idea-of-beth-moore-as-next-denomination-president/
    https://sbcvoices.com/voting-greear-could-as-easily-vote-hemphill-tempted-to-nominate-beth-moore-for-sbc-presidency/

  63. Lost Patrol says:

    seventiesjason

    “There will be a time when only a lowly and humble Soldier will be able to lead the fight when the Officer class turns its back on Christ!”

    That is an extraordinary thing to say by a man who founded, and one might think is fully ego invested in, the Salvation Army. I guess we can’t call him a prophet, those are all gone, right? But he obviously knew some things.

    “I consider that the chief dangers which confront the coming century will be religion without the Holy Ghost; Christianity without Christ; forgiveness without repentance; salvation without regeneration; politics without God; and Heaven without Hell.”

    – William Booth

  64. PokeSalad says:

    <i.Talk about not being able to make something up…there’s now talk of Beth Moore being the new SBC president.

    While my fervent wish is that this Jezebel would be narcissistic enough to accept the position if offered, she’d be nuts to do so. In her current position, she is free to criticize and snipe from the sidelines without having to bear the accountability of president…she’s probably too crafty not to see that.

  65. ChristianCool says:

    Don’t you get it? Mob justice is what we saw here. This is the whole point!!!!!

    A bunch of “outraged” SJW types/online keyboard warriors” get together and demand the type of “swift, no procedure, no due process action” you have seen against Patterson by the SBC motley crew is typical of the left. This is what we saw happening in America against Italians, blacks, and many other groups. A mob got together and lynched whomever they wanted no justice, no due process. The difference is that this is now done online, from the comfort of your own home.

    Also, the allegations against Patterson were 15 years old. Think about this for a second: HOW can you defend yourself from allegations made against you 15 years later?? It is impossible to even establish an alibi, much less have witnesses or any collaborating evidence to support your case. This is why the Left has pushed for removal of Statues of Limitations on criminals laws, so someone can accuse you of a crime that happened 20 years ago. You cannot defend yourself and you go down. This si true in sexual molestation of children cases, where men get accused for crimes that allegedly happened 30 or even 40 years ago, making it impossible for the Defendant to mount a defense. You saw this with judge Roy Moore in Alabama.

    Folks, this is no accident. The left demands “swift justice” by mob demand because the point is to create a society ruled by fear and hate. Anyone can be accused at anytime, by anyone, and the accused is deemed guilty. Any false accusation results in harsh punishment. The left did this in the French Revolution, during Soviet Union, and now in Western Europe and the AngloSphere (America, Canada, Australia, etc). It creates a hate and rage within everyone, that they become closed off, distrustful, and angry.

    I read an article about this before and it is true amazing on this exact topic:

    http://thefederalist.com/2017/12/13/metoo-movement-destroying-trust-men-women/

    But now the Leftist Marxists/SJW have expanded this to the churches. An online mob gets together, whips up a small dust storm and next thing you now, the house is brought down by accusations and the accused get no due process and not even a chance to respond. The small dust storm brings down the whole house. They do this on Tweeter against their political opponents, mainly Conservative TV and Radio hosts, by threatening advertisers.

    The incredible thing is that THIS WORKS so incredibly well. Everyone, especially corporations, are terrified of any 2 or 3 “voices” on Tweeter this day and age. Imagine these coward, Beta males in the SBC boards?!?! 🙄 They caved like a bad roof in a heavy winter’s night. The threat being “if you do not do something RIGHT NOW, then you support/allow/condone ___ behavior.

    This is Saul Alinksy 101. This is leftist at its best. This is the new modern mob justice system. Trial by Tweeter, decisions made anonymously, and verdicts send by e-mail. 😮

    Jesus Christ opposed the stoning of the adulteress BY A MOB. Jesus had not yet fulfilled The Law and The Law wears still in full effect at the time. He demanded “he who has no sin, let him cast the first stone” because he was stopping a mob justice action.

    The left has permeated our society’s fundamental institutions like a cancer and every institution is now distrusted, corrupted, ineffective, or worthless now. Boy Scouts, The Church, Congress, the Courts, Media, movies, charities, all sorts of professions (lawyer, dentists, etc), universities/education…. all have sky-high disapproval numbers.

    The ONLY institution still trusted in America (over 70% trusted) today is the USA Military and that is why Obummer worked 24/7 to destroy it and to corrupt it from within. Trading the traitor Bergdhal for 5 Taliban generals, Transgender allowed in military, women in combat positions, created rules of engagement that makes it easy to prosecute and imprison our own troops, Sequester cuts to our military, making it impossible to fight and win a war, etc etc.

    Bottom line: the modern church has become corrupted with Leftist ideology and we are seeing this front and center in the largest Christian organizations, like the SBC. I grew up Catholic and then Baptist in Florida and to see the churches take such a drastic left turn is very disturbing to me.

    But if this is the path the SBC is gonna go, count me out. I will just join a new local Conservative church and be done with the nonsense. No reason to be a part of any organization that has such a weak spine anyway.

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