That’s gonna leave a mark on the narrative.

The concept of the cock carousel is entering the mainstream lexicon, complete with a beta chump at the end of the line to pick up the tab.  From Tully, reviewed. at Slate:

She has… a sexless but functional marriage with Drew (Ron Livingston), whom Marlo describes as the grounded bench in the careening sexual merry-go-round that was her 20s

The reviewer at Slate is delighted that the movie shows motherhood as ugly:

The 50 pounds Theron gained for the role is just the beginning of the film’s mission to expose the less-than-enchanting facets of motherhood. After the delivery, we see Marlo shuffle to the hospital bathroom in a diaper and yell at a nurse about urinary catheters while forcing herself to pee on the toilet. The maternal and bodily scenarios here that we never see in other pop cultural depictions are painful and manifold, and that’s the point.

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174 Responses to That’s gonna leave a mark on the narrative.

  1. Novaseeker says:

    Yes the whole tone of the review is that of an excoriation of actual motherhood, a critique of it. I guess I’m not surprised given that it’s a Theron film — she has a bent for relentlessly feminist subversive roles.

    Oddly, in the set of linked slate articles collected at the end of that one was this piece about a married couple where the wife has a live-in girlfriend, and how this is the solution to overworked, overstressed couples: https://slate.com/human-interest/2018/05/easier-with-three-work-life-and-polyamory.html . As I have said on numerous occasions, this is the next cultural change front, and stories like that one are the early wave.

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  3. feministhater says:

    Ah yes, Charlize Theron.

    I’m glad we exported this crazy bitch to you guys. You can keep her.

  4. DrTorch says:

    I’m not sure about the movie. If it says motherhood is hard, and women need support from other females, well, that’s an observable truth and in line w/ Scripture. I don’t know the details, but seems like the marriage improves through the movie.

    As for Novaseeker’s article on polyamory…just seems like a return to a harem. The irony of how far backwards feminism is taking society is not lost on me, I find it humorous.

  5. bdash 77 says:

    yeah its one thing that is so odd
    in most Asian countries once the baby comes there is a flurry of female relatives who come and help, etc
    no male paternity leave nonsense
    I believe this was the same in Bible times as well.

    most women can’t handle babies on their own, far too weak

  6. Otto says:

    Live in girlfriend or house slave.

    Are we reurning to the Roman model? The house slave performed household duties (including providing sex to the husband) to unburden the wife.

    The only thing different is she is providing sex to the wife, not the husband. She contributes to the household (in both labor and financial support), yet she gets nothing back–she is not paid, she doesn’t own the house and she’s not married to either, so they could kick her out tomorrow.

    How much different is she from a Roman slave?

  7. Greg Denton says:

    I’ll reserve judgment until the movie is out, but they’re certainly promoting it as another middle class white angst movie.

    I don’t think it’s all that revolutionary to portray the downside of motherhood. That’s the problem. It’s all either glossy perfection, or 50 lbs overweight with a messy house and cracks about drinking wine and not much of a positive side.

    I’m beginning to think white people are just not cut out for child rearing

  8. Jack Russell says:

    Here is another good pic of a young woman sitting on a rooster statue. Work friendly.

    Heard a review of this movie on the radio this morning. Never heard such a long review before, but this is the far left CBC.

  9. Otto says:

    “I’m beginning to think white people are just not cut out for child rearing”

    Working mothers are not cut out for childrearing.

    If everything goes perfectly, working mother’s can handle it. But, we know things never go perfectly.

    In times past, extended family and neighbors helped. Today’s mothers (much less working mother’s) don’t have that help.

    The real choice is work or motherhood. Today’s woman can’t do both.

  10. Damn Crackers says:

    Well, I read about the big “reveal” in the Tully movie:

    SPOILER ALERT (like any of you folks are going to see it):

    Tully, the sprite nanny helper who assists Theron, is a figment of her post-partum depression.

    As stripper turned screen writer Diablo Cody states, “The movie is actually about her lack of treatment…Sometimes what you’re desperate is for someone to say: ‘Hey, I actually see what’s going on here. This is serious, we need to deal with it and there’s a name for it, And Marlo [Theron] doesn’t get that comfort in this film. Because the film is meant to be uncomfortable.” She especially doesn’t get help from her “distracted” husband.

    Did they have post-partum depression in any other time period?

  11. bdash 77 says:

    @ Otto
    or they get their husbands to do it
    like Jackie HIll Perry

    she goes around speaking ( Gospel Coalition etc)
    while her husband follows her with the baby
    ( She is having a baby this month ( second_ and going to speak at the Gospel Coalition in June….

    Husbands are encouraged to do so as it show servant leadership
    in fact i AM STARTING TO SEE that churches excuse female sin by tricking husbands into servant leadership

  12. Darwinian Arminian says:

    @Damn Crackers
    Did they have post-partum depression in any other time period?

    Good point. After reading that review of the film I’m starting to wonder if even PPD is just another symptom of the modern refusal to hold women accountable for anything. Just look at what the article tells us about the character played by Theron: She’s promiscuous, self-centered, neglectful of both her husband and her children, and has a quick temper with random strangers as evinced by her screaming outbursts. Is that an indictment of her character? No, not according to the writer. It’s an indictment of motherhood! We really need to understand how hard that role is for women.

    If a young father with a new baby suddenly lost his job and started yelling at his wife before skipping town to find some relief with a hot new piece of tail, do you suppose there’s any chance we’d be able to find anyone willing to publicly say, “You know, we should really understand that fatherhood can be hard on a man . . . . “

  13. DrTorch says:

    Did they have post-partum depression in any other time period?

    Absolutely. But it is made worse by the “You’re a daughter of the King” shtick, b/c it amplifies the feelings of failure, and hints at a world of sunshine and roses, not the reality that we’re all given the hard work of the dominion mandate, and encouragement to grind through.

    I also believe that submission is a blessing for these instances, b/c the wife doesn’t have to spend lots of mental energy, she just has to be obedient. It’s a path to quicker recovery. Same thing w/ intimacy.

    It’s possible that the pill makes things worse too.

  14. Otto says:

    @bdash,

    That’s still a one parent working and on taking care of the baby full time example. You just have the mom and dad switching roles.

  15. vfm7916 says:

    It’s amazing to look at the benefits of traditionalism, and contrast that to these modern media examples. Just another manifestation of how lead astray women have been with feminism.

  16. bdash 77 says:

    @Otto
    yup but men were designed to do more Challenging stuff
    so it is no surprise that a man can care for the babies on his own

    in fact I see it regularly at Church

    Churchian man- servant leader – studying to be a Pastor
    lazy housewife who loves God
    He works all day, makes his own breakfast and cares for the baby in the morning ( wife too lazy)
    comes home, showers, cooks dinner, cares for the baby all night ( wife on facebook)
    when people come over, wife barely cooks helps, husband never allowed to sit down

    he goes and studies from 8-12 at night plus cares for the baby.

    this just shows men are more capable ( am not really sure why he is married- his wife is so lazy- she never even lets him sit in Church because he needs to serve and sacrifice and care for the baby s she can be spiritually fed by the pastor)
    So when roles are reversed the need for help is not necessary.

  17. Swanny River says:

    Bdash, so Jackie Hill Perry has a house husband and a dual last name? If so, I used to have an initial reaction of chalking choices like that to a lack of maturity, but with the Christian culture going fem, I hold out little hope that such a woman will ever grow out of or repudiate her choices.

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  19. bdash 77 says:

    Yes- well basically yeah, he does some speaking but its mostly her

    Jen Wilkin is a big part of this ( internally)
    she goes around training pastors and men to be more domestic and care for the home so wives are free to pursue their calling.

    Jen has done an amazing job at achieving her goals
    She is the official Women’s ministry trainer for aspiring pastors at TGC, ACTS 29 etc so…

    not a single sermon or article from these churchians asks women to help their husbands and care for their homes

  20. opus vitae says:

    On the post-partum thing, I think it’s probably a result of no longer being the center of attention: everybody loves the pregnant woman, until they love the baby. Pile on that the amount of new work a child brings. Not a recipe for happiness in our “you go grrl” culture.

  21. Original Laura says:

    @DoctorTorch

    In addition, today’s Modern Woman knows that she has exactly six weeks with her baby before she has to go back to work full time. From that point on, she will struggle with both her work responsibilities as well as her family responsibilities. The knowledge that you are working very long hours yet doing a substandard job at everything that you attempt is very depressing. And other women who did NOT go back to work when their children were little can be counted on to make snarky remarks about the Modern Woman’s lack of maternal instinct, etc.

    Post-partum depression is triggered by the hormone crash that occurs with the birth of the baby. It is very real, although much worse for some women than for others. For a woman who is already depressed or stressed out it can be very bad indeed.

  22. bdash 77 says:

    I do not see any modern women struggling with her family responsibilities…
    she just makes her beta male husband do everything while she sits on social media
    Original Laura needs to live in the real world

  23. vfm7916 says:

    @original

    PPD far more likely to occur with C section or epidural + pitocin. You screw with natural processes and you get the side effects.

    All I see is women’s choices cause them to be depressed. Their opinions and choices are bad, and they should feel bad. (which is why that particular meme is super effective)

    You can boundary condition and exception all you want, but sadness and depression are nearly entirely due to choice; diet, lifestyle, marriage, birth, narcissism, no family, etc.

    Traditionalism, with its focus on what works over the centuries, was jettisoned by women as patriarchal slavery. Now they flit between one self help book to another, always trying to avoid the pain of realizing that they’re at fault for their own choices.

    There’s a ton of reasons for PPD and general crappiness of women’s lives, and it’s the same root cause as why Eve ate the fruit: desire to be as a God and reject their own nature and purpose.

  24. ys says:

    bdash-
    My wife is a modern woman, depending on how one defines modern, who does all these…she struggles with housework, kids and doesn’t work outside the home. She also has no idea who Jen Wilkin and Jackie Hill Perry are. There’s a connection. She’s heard of Beth Moore but doesn’t like her.
    The thing with Jen Wilkin especially…with all the me-too, Bill Hybels stuff coming out. I’ll just hurl out an anonymous online accusation…wouldn’t be shocked if Wilkin and Chandler had an affair and that’s how she rose so high.

  25. bdash 77 says:

    Chandler’s wife is a lot better looking than Jen…
    but Jen’s husband or any husband who is fine with his wife going on trips and spending more time with other men obviously has weird fantasies…

  26. Cloudbuster says:

    The movie is just another entry in the entertainment industry’s war on motherhood and the traditional family. American Beauty, part MCMXXVII. What more needs to be said?

  27. Paul says:

    @feministhater: “I’m glad we exported this crazy bitch to you guys.”

    Kom jy uit Suid-Afrika?

  28. Frank K says:

    Working mothers are not cut out for childrearing.

    Ain’t that the the truth! It seems that every career woman I know, regardless of race, is completely overwhelmed with the singe child she has. I guess the Lexus and the designer clothes are worth it.

  29. Frank K says:

    She’s heard of Beth Moore but doesn’t like her.

    That is fortunate. The few churchian women I know think Moore is the bee’s knees.

  30. Joe says:

    “She’s heard of Beth Moore but doesn’t like her”.

    Smart Women.
    Thing is, there’s lots of false teaching out there that lots of women fall for,.
    One day a copy of the heretical book”Jesus Calling” made it’s way into our house. Given to my wife by a friend. I knew about that book and told her about it.
    A few days later, I saw it in the trash. I could have tossed it, but I wanted her to “own” tossing it herself.

    LOTS of woman fall for Beth Moore. It’s tricky because she mixes some truth with false teaching. That’s how they always do it.
    This is the most strongly worded yet…
    http://pulpitandpen.org/2018/05/03/a-letter-back-to-beth-moore-from-seth-dunn/

  31. feministhater says:

    Kom jy uit Suid-Afrika?

    Ja, maar dit is meer korrek te se dat ek bly in Suid Afrika of ek lewe in Suid Afika.

    If I was living in another country then it would be proper to say that I come out of that country.

  32. feministhater says:

    Gosh…. I mean if I were visiting or staying in another country then it would be correct to say that I was coming out of South Africa.

  33. feministhater says:

    Ain’t that the the truth! It seems that every career woman I know, regardless of race, is completely overwhelmed with the singe child she has. I guess the Lexus and the designer clothes are worth it.

    Ain’t that the truth! Children do tend to take up most of a parent’s time. More so if you only have one. That’s what Day Care is for after all. Don’t you know that?!

  34. Anonymous Reader says:

    vfm7916
    It’s amazing to look at the benefits of traditionalism, and contrast that to these modern media examples. Just another manifestation of how lead astray women have been with feminism.

    “But traditionalism is boring! The carousel is exciting!” — a whole lot of teen and 20-something girls

    Just saying. Because hypergamy doesn’t care about your traditions.

  35. Anonymous Reader says:

    As stripper turned screen writer Diablo Cody writes

    Watch out Kendricks brothers, here comes your modern competition…

  36. JB Harshaw says:

    @ DamnCrackers
    RE Did they have post-partum depression in any other time period?

    Though obviously not under that modern label of PPD (“postpartum depression”) there are descriptions of women experiencing ennui & apathy towards newborn infants going back to Hippocrates (circa ~400 BC); but it was apparently rather rare. (Than again infanticide was hardly uncommon, and if you relabel that as PPD or PPD related…)

    There are theories that much of the present quasi-epidemic of it (because it is indeed MORE common these days than a few decadesback) is due to the “modern” system of giving birth, including everything from medications that induce (force) labor and augment (speed up) birth, to nitrous oxide, epidurals & antispasmodics, to C-sections, and other “sterile” obstetric procedures (i.e. taking the newborn away to be cleaned, thus delaying/deferring the “bonding” which of course is also inhibited by various medications given to the mother — including opoids which may reduce pain, but also potentially cause a “fogginess” & dissociation, etc).

    Notably PPD is MASSIVELY more common with Cesarean births: https://www.webmd.com/baby/news/20080904/c-section-affects-moms-response-to-baby#1

    I think one could also easily posit that a host of other things — including of course the hormonal impact of having been on “birth control” for many years (the long term effect of which — on the psyche of the woman — has NEVER really been studied {because it’s not “PC” to do so}) — or also, especially with older 30+ women having their “first” child; the realization with many that their prior “abortions” were NOT in fact just getting rid of some “unwanted tissue growth.”

    Seriously, think about it: you’ve just had a kid… cute, cuddly, noisy, vulnerable, etc — but a decade+ ago you had one or more (possibly a series of several) “abortions” back in your late high school, college, or early career years — back THEN it was perhaps an easily dismissed “piffle”, pop some meds and move on… suddenly the REALITY of what was done, of what YOU did: that you effectively KILLED your *actual* “first-born” child (and possibly second-born, etc), begins to sink in. And moreover, you cannot “run away” from it, because the PRESENT child is a daily, constant, incessant reminder of that… think THAT isn’t going to be “depressing”???

  37. @Novaseeker: “Evan” Urquhart was born Vanessa Vitello Urquhart, and identified as a butch lesbian before “transitioning” to being a transman. So it’s not really a harem–just three lesbians doing whatever it is lesbians do. (I know what lesbians do, but without a penis involved it just seems like little kids pretending to have sex without understanding what sex actually is.)

  38. Gary Eden says:

    Lets not forget some quarter of women are on anti-depressants to begin with. The hormone fluctuations after birth are going to send them on loop-d-loops. But the root problem is they were crazy to start with.

  39. paddy says:

    “a sexless but functional marriage”
    If it is sexless (not due to e.g. accident or illness), then it is NOT functional.

  40. American says:

    My life is fully functional without a carousal rider exploiting me and using the government to hold me hostage. They can pay their own bills and solve their own problems which I don’t want to hear about either.

  41. rocko says:

    “Good point. After reading that review of the film I’m starting to wonder if even PPD is just another symptom of the modern refusal to hold women accountable for anything. ”

    Ya know, I’m starting to think the same thoughts about autism. I wonder if “autistic” children are the product of post partum “suffering” women who just didn’t care about them other than use them for Facebook photo ops or as bargaining chips in a divorce.

  42. feeriker says:

    “I’m beginning to think white people are just not cut out for child rearing”

    Modern Western white people, corrupted by three quarters of a century of soft, hedonistic living, most certainly aren’t cut out for anything requiring even a small measure of self-sacrifice. Children require A LOT of self-sacrifice. That explains why most people today outsource the raising of their kids to disinterested strangers who often put them in danger. It’s too much of a bother to do it themselves (“I gave birth to the g**d***ed thing! You really expect me to raise it too?!?!).

    Working mothers are not cut out for childrearing.

    Oh, you sexist pig, you!! How dare you make such Neanderthal, misogynist remarks! Get with th 21st Century!

    If everything goes perfectly, working mother’s can handle it. But, we know things never go perfectly.

    And that’s ALL MEN’S FAULT!! A misogynist conspiracy!!!

    In times past, extended family and neighbors helped. Today’s mothers (much less working mother’s) don’t have that help.

    Given women’s congenital inability to grasp cause and effect, it occurs to ZE-RO of them that the reason why the support of family and neighbors that was so ubiquitous in generations past is not manifesting itself today is because their own selfish, hedonistic, promiscuous lifestyle choices –a.k.a. the fruits of feminism– have led directly to the destruction of families and communities.

    You bitches now get to lie in the cold, hard, lumpy, piss-shit-and-puke-soaked beds you made for yourselves.

    The real choice is work or motherhood. Today’s woman can’t do both.

    Most can’t do either one individually, either, as the abundant evidence all around us makes very clear.

  43. ray says:

    feminsthater — “Ah yes, Charlize Theron.
    I’m glad we exported this crazy bitch to you guys. You can keep her.”

    That’s like crapping in the neighbor’s toilet then announcing ‘You can keep it.”

    Charlize, fine Christian name, makes a one-woman argument for closing the borders altogether. Maybe chopping off Canada so there’s a big moat around most of the nation.

    Charlize’s mom killed Charlize’s dad (who could guess?) and was completely exonerated Because Abusive. It’s a common disease. Off went ebullient Mom and Charsleaze to their Awesome Patriarchy-Free life.

    And here we all are.

    It’s possible that God took away your nation and gave it to the children of Ham singularly because of awesome Char. Toss in her mom too.

  44. ray says:

    Damn Crackers — “Did they have post-partum depression in any other time period?”

    It’s modern concurrent with that pseudo-science, psychology.

    In Biblical times females commonly gave birth and went back to regular duties a few hours thereafter. Many cultures had female-separation immediately after birth, for a set period, but those females probly re-assumed standard duties promptly.

    PP Depression is a make-believe cash-cow for the enormous and bloated therapy-psychiatry industry. Modern females don’t suffer from PPD, they suffer from their own matriarchy.

  45. bdash 77 says:

    yeah they had female separation
    but other females were looking after it
    not some servant leading wimp husband ( who if he did not work could not feed his family)

  46. pariah says:

    rocko said: “Ya know, I’m starting to think the same thoughts about autism.”

    I’ve read there is a link between autism and mothers who give bottled milk to their baby rather than breast milk. The breast milk gives the child healthy gut bacteria. Without that healthy bacteria, the babies’ immune system gets screwed, causing brain damage [my crude description]. Look up “Gut and Psychology Syndrome” by Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride

  47. freebird says:

    “The breast milk gives the child healthy gut bacteria. Without that healthy bacteria, the babies’ immune system gets screwed, causing brain damage”

    Excellent point pariah.
    The sickness of western children is directly as result of the choices western women make.
    I’ve never,ever, seen an Amish child with downs or autism. (because they obey God’s natural order.)
    Then a second thought came to mind on this disturbed morning:
    What about the zombie culture?
    So many people arming themselves against “The Zombies” that are already here?
    Perhaps it’s a subconscious pushback against this culture of death.

  48. Novaseeker says:

    @Novaseeker: “Evan” Urquhart was born Vanessa Vitello Urquhart, and identified as a butch lesbian before “transitioning” to being a transman. So it’s not really a harem–just three lesbians doing whatever it is lesbians do. (I know what lesbians do, but without a penis involved it just seems like little kids pretending to have sex without understanding what sex actually is.)

    Aha, that’s a good find. What a joke, really.

  49. Scott says:

    So much I didn’t know/understand about breast feeding until I had my own kids and have been present for all of it.

    The most fascinating and endearing thing about it is that anytime something of an emotional/bonding quality happens, or is said, or talked about, my wife will get a little quieter, her affect softens and she she will say “that made my milk come down.” The three month old still has while to go.

    If my son (who stopped a year ago) comes running in the room and says something sweet to her, or has just skinned his knee, or whatever–happens every time.

    And its not just stuff related to the kids. Even if she and I are just driving in the car somewhere alone and share a tender/romantic moment or profess some feelings for each other it happens.

    What an incredible gift God gave to families when a mom is surrounded by her children and husband who make her feel that way all time, and in turn we all benefit from it.

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  51. anon says:

    “I’ve read there is a link between autism and mothers who give bottled milk to their baby rather than breast milk. The breast milk gives the child healthy gut bacteria.”

    That’s unlikely. Breastfeeding has become far more de rigueur in recent years (the past two or three decades) than it was in the 50s, 60s, 70s. There was a belief that formula was better back then. Grandparents today are more likely to have been bottle fed than their grandchildren. But autism has skyrocketed in recent years.
    A lot of people have lost the ability to effectively breastfeed. Not surprising because we haven’t had to do it out of necessity for a while. Even some domesticated dogs have lost the ability. Supply is a problem. Not for everyone, but a good percentage.

  52. anon says:

    Just to add, wet nurses fall into the equation for longterm supply trends. Not just bottles (which are a relatively modern day thing). Same with some dogs…they have wet nurses for dogs too.

  53. Opus says:

    I believe it shocks Americans to learn that in England and we term it Infanticide, it is quite legal – that is to say it is not to be regarded as Murder – should a mother kill her child before the said child has reached his or her first birthday. The cut-off point is of course quite arbitrary and could be extended to either direction but that has been the law since the Infanticide Act of 1922. I never came across an instance of it in practice. We have always been soooooo caring.

    Tully: I thought that was a movie with Tom Hanks about an airplane???

  54. JRob says:

    Perennial attention seeking millionaire hereticess extraordinaire Beth Moore was rightfully referenced in the comments to this post. Her “Christian” parenting chops?

    http://pulpitandpen.org/2018/01/23/beth-moores-daughter-says-boycott-seminaries-without-female-professors/

  55. Paul says:

    @ray: “In Biblical times females commonly gave birth and went back to regular duties a few hours thereafter.”

    Not so, laws were given that made these women unclean, meaning they had to remain separate for some time (interestingly enough, they were twice as long unclean for a daughter as for a son).

  56. Paul says:

    Stop this pseudo-scientific babble about autism, Amish, and God’s natural order, it’s bullsh*t.
    The Amish are known to have a whole host of genetic disorders due to their small gene pool which results in “inbreeding”.

  57. 68760 says:

    Amish absolutely do suffer from Autism and Downs syndrome.

  58. Mountain Man says:

    In following some of the links above, I discovered a very interesting fact. Beth Moore’s daughter, Melissa, who is spearheading the boycott of seminaries without female faculty …. is divorced. The divorce was initiated by her, and the reason (according to court documents) was “personality conflict”.

  59. John James R says:

    @Darwinian Armenian

    ——Just look at what the article tells us about the character played by Theron: She’s promiscuous, self-centered, neglectful of both her husband and her children, and has a quick temper with random strangers as evinced by her screaming outbursts. Is that an indictment of her character? No, not according to the writer. It’s an indictment of motherhood! We really need to understand how hard that role is for women.—–

    Or no indictment at all. That kind of behavior is now lauded as empowerment. It’s not even seen in a bad light anymore. No one would ever think to criticize a woman for being neglectful of her husband. Not even trad-con men. The criticisms would only emerge if a woman actually went out of her way for her husband. Upside down clown world.

    And her apparent screaming outbursts at random strangers (men, naturally) is just all kinds of you go grrl.

  60. ray says:

    Paul — @ray: “In Biblical times females commonly gave birth and went back to regular duties a few hours thereafter.” Not so, laws were given that made these women unclean, meaning they had to remain separate for some time (interestingly enough, they were twice as long unclean for a daughter as for a son).”

    No. It varied greatly by culture, with some peoples having strict separation procedures, and others, little or none. And even the cultures that separated post-partum females completely (the hut) rarely excused them from work/duties. Which was the point of my comment. Females returned to work promptly, separation or no.

    The Hebrew tribes had their customs, the Greeks had another, the Trobriand Islanders and native American language-groups, still other customs. Varied widely in Biblical times.

    As for discussion of the link between lack of breast milk and autism, hadn’t heard that one before. It’s certainly possible as a contributing factor, given that severe autism (lack of speech, fine motor interference, perseverating gestures, so on) often doesn’t manifest until age two or three. In the Fifties, when I was a kid, formula was pushed unrelentingly to American Konsumers, and indeed it wreaked great damage upon the immune systems of those generations. A second ‘benefit’ was the physical separation of mothers from babies, i.e., no breastfeeding and no wetnursing.

    What is established beyond doubt is that the over-riding element in likelihood of both autism and Downs is advanced age of mother at conception/birth. Far and away the largest contributing factor in severe autism. Of course you will rarely hear about that, and instead hear endless gobbledygook about vaccines, dyes, laundry detergent . . . ANYTHING but the actual cause. Which remains unaddressed for reasons this site can surmise.

    The fact that hundreds of thousands of innocent children must pay a lifelong price in order to advance Female Empowerment has no more impact on the matriarchies of the West than does 50 million abortions, in America alone. To speak the truth, or to attempt to defend these children, is offensive and, increasingly, will have criminal repercussions — just as with all dissent from feminism or female demands.

    Cheers.

  61. Oscar says:

    So, Beth Moore’s daughter, Melissa, is convincing prospective preachers to boycott seminaries that don’t hire female teachers.

    GOOD!

    Think about it. Beth Moore is a false teacher. Melissa is divorced, and also a false teacher. The people who listen to them are likely to be false teachers as well. Their boycott of these seminaries (which are obviously more Biblically sound, since they don’t allow women to teach) prevents them from infecting and spoiling these seminaries with their false teaching.

    If they really wanted to damage these seminaries, they’d encourage their followers to attend only those seminaries and change them from the inside.

    Rev 22:11 Let the one who does wrong, still do wrong; and the one who is filthy, still be filthy; and let the one who is righteous, still practice righteousness; and the one who is holy, still keep himself holy.

  62. Wraithburn says:

    Speaking of Beth Moore, here’s a fun blog post she wrote a couple days ago.

    https://blog.lproof.org/2018/05/a-letter-to-my-brothers.html

    I think this is the real money quote:

    This is where I cry foul and not for my own sake. Most of my life is behind me. I do so for sake of my gender, for the sake of our sisters in Christ and for the sake of other female leaders who will be faced with similar challenges. I do so for the sake of my brothers because Christlikeness is at stake and many of you are in positions to foster Christlikeness in your sons and in the men under your influence. The dignity with which Christ treated women in the Gospels is fiercely beautiful and it was not conditional upon their understanding their place.

    The beta factory product is insufficiently grovelling for Mrs. Moore’s taste.

  63. John James R says:

    Beth Moore’s fried ice;

    “Men these days really need to ‘Man Up’ and grovel better!”

  64. Paul says:

    @ray:”biblical times”
    I assumed you were talking about the Israelites. Other societies had indeed different rules. Don’t know what you mean by “biblical times” without referring to those societies.

    There are lots of correlations to be found for autism, but causes are still unproven. There are strong indicators for genetic factors. Part of the increase in autism is due to better diagnosis.

    As for age correlation; Wikipedia has:
    “The risk of autism is associated with several prenatal risk factors, including advanced age in either parent, diabetes, bleeding, and use of psychiatric drugs in the mother during pregnancy.”

    I think it is generally well-known that increase in age of the mother (and father here!) increases risk on genetic influenced disorders, of which Down syndrome is the most well-known.

  65. Hose_B says:

    Re: Beth Moore article………... The dignity with which Christ treated women in the Gospels is fiercely beautiful and it was not conditional upon their understanding their place.

    How did Jesus treat women? He allowed them to wash HIS feet with HER hair. He allowed more than one woman to do this……….

    Luke 7:37-39 King James Version (KJV)

    37 And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee’s house, brought an alabaster box of ointment,

    38 And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment.
    ————————————————————————————

    John 12:2-3
    2 There they made him a supper; and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that sat at the table with him.

    3 Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment.

  66. mgtowhorseman says:

    Scott

    And what do I inject in cows who won’t drop their milk? Oxytocin!

    And where have we heard of oxytocin in humans?

    So the “bliss hormone” is released from skin on skin contact of mother and child causing the milk to be let down feeding the child and giving mother a dose of calming hormones. Repeat every four hours.

    Almost as if God created a mechanism to avoid post partum depression?

    Hmmmm.

  67. Lost Patrol says:

    @Novaseeker

    As I have said on numerous occasions, this is the next cultural change front, and stories like that one are the early wave.

    Here on the great plains, where nearly everything arrives last, good or bad; a new TV station appeared one day unannounced. It’s called TBD and is very hip, with programming aimed at the late teens through 20s age crowd as near as I can tell. Bear in mind this is coming over the air via antennas on the roof like in ancient times.

    Flipping by looking for a good weather report I chanced upon a “news” segment wherein a young woman with various facial piercings was holding forth on exactly this. She explained that dated, and fading one-to-one marriages of yore, are giving way to multi-arrangements, which can often be detected by the specific tattoos worn by practitioners. I got the impression that men and women can participate in any combination, or mixed alphabets of identity. I tried to track down the clip but did not find it again.

    This photo from another site gives an idea of what she was touting. On TV now for those lucky enough to have the TBD channel.

  68. ray says:

    “Study: Women Store DNA From Every Man They’ve Ever Made Love With”

    article: http://woked.co/women-dna-man-made-love/

    secondary source: Daily Crow

    ‘Made love’. Heh.

    Confirms many discussions here over the years concerning permanent imprinting following sex.

  69. Luke says:

    Chicks with tattoos aren’t for marrying by conservative/mil officer/STEM guys, any more than are multipierced/near-buzz-cut chicks or ones who don’t own any dresses. I wonder how long til they figure that out — or if they’ll even care, pre-Wall, anyway.

  70. American says:

    The female mind of the urban ratchet is explored with respect to the topic of carousel riding: http://worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhJZ4244lXM7M7tWA6

  71. rhodigian says:

    The price to pay for the honesty of mentioning the Carousel is high.
    Tonstrip motherhood of any joy, and depict it like hell on Earth.

    In our times it is difficult to find the truth in decent purity, especially in a cosmopolitan-like media.

  72. Oscar says:

    @ Dalrock

    They’re so close to using the exact term:

    https://www.thecut.com/2018/04/what-its-like-to-be-a-really-beautiful-woman.html

    I never had any trouble getting guys, but I got bored easily and moved on. I should have taken the good ones more seriously. I can see now that they would have been good husbands, fathers, and providers but I’d just drift away on to the next and stop returning their calls.

    So I look back over my life and think, What did my looks do for me? They got me a few jobs, and a lot of boyfriends … but what else? I didn’t get married until I was 35 because I didn’t want the merry-go-round to end. One day I realized well if you want to have a kid, you better do it now. Of course all those great guys I didn’t take seriously when I was in my 20s were gone.

    This whole article is a treasure trove of androspheric tropes.

    My husband was the last decent man standing. He had a bit of a drinking issue, which he’s overcome. There was a time when things were bad and I considered leaving him but I had no idea how to even go about finding someone new because I never, ever, had to pursue a man. I knew I couldn’t cope with that kind of rejection.

    These days, since I have aged, when I don’t wear makeup and I gain a bit of weight (which happens often) I pass as normal. As far as men, and anyone under 40 is concerned, I am invisible. They do not see me. I could walk across the street naked — it’s that bad.

    Here’s the really sad part. It doesn’t matter how beautiful you were in your youth; when you age you become invisible. You could still look fabulous but … who cares? Nobody is looking. Even my young-adult sons ignore me. The irony is that now that I am older I am a much better person. I went through some suffering in my 40s — raised two kids, dealt with an alcoholic husband, watched my parents get sick and pass away — and I really grew. But as far as the world is concerned? I’ve lost all my value.

  73. Oscar says:

    Epic HTML fail.

  74. Dalrock!

    I got another topic for you. That beta-cuck over at National Review is saying the “incels” must go MGTOW. Actually, I think he’s right. They should. Go MGTOW and embrace Christ.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/sex-is-god-for-incel-sexless/

    The men of the incel movement are pursuing a god they can’t have. They’re in fact pursuing a god that will disappoint them even if they obtain what they want the most. And so they do what sinful men have done throughout all of human history. They lash out at the objects of their desire. No woman should feel the least bit guilty for not desiring any man — no matter how many movies or television shows teach them that the nerd is the true prize, and the lonely man is the best catch. Instead it is the responsibility of the lonely man to find meaning apart from women. And that meaning happens to be found in a resurrected Christ who — unlike any other false god — can be found by any person who seeks His face.

  75. CSI says:

    @innocentbystanderbostom

    He’s just serving the female imperative. He tells unattractive omegas “give up on women! stop bothering them!”. In the next breath he’ll tell betas “man up! marry those single mothers!”

  76. I don’t think David French has ever said that.

  77. Luke says:

    IBB, those incel men (sub-betas) accepting celibacy doesn’t have to always mean they have to forgo fatherhood. With no women to drain them financially (dating/marriage/frivorce court prison rape aftermath), many of them could save up to afford the $60-100 K for egg donor/gestational surrogate services. They’d likely find post-35 that women they’re neither related to by blood or economically are just PITAs and not worth it, with only modest regrets. My sex life as a married man is considerably less important to me than are my children, and I doubt that’s a rare POV.

  78. bdash 77 says:

    ugh this Christian woman has been attacking Christian men all month

    Her husband looks after her baby and supports her while she travels challenging Christian misogyny in the name of Christ….
    How am I supposed to believe these people are Christian?!

  79. Swanny River says:

    Oscar,
    You are right of course, and that long list of tweets really paints a clear case. Unfortunately, there is a however- it seems that she is the Christian norm and people here are the one’s being silenced, and sometimes pushed out, of church. The entire edifice supports her. I’d love to see a survey of SAHM christian moms about their favoribility, or approval ratings, of the double-named lady you posted. I don’t know how it would turn out. Would the women who supposedly know better sell their own choice out and give Pullman a 55 or 65% approval?

  80. feministhater says:

    And yet they are all angry at MGTOW. The solution to their problem – Men removing themselves from the mists of women.

    More proof that Christian women are just another flavour of feminism.

  81. feministhater says:

    I agree with him IBB. Men should stop pursuing pussy and focus inwards instead. The culture is toxic. Men need to cut it off.

  82. feeriker says:

    ugh this Christian woman has been attacking Christian men all month

    More proof that Christian women are just another flavour of feminism.

    Gents, it’s past time that we start to consider the possibility (or what is increasingly looking like the probability) that there is no such thing as a “Christian woman” here in the Western world today.

    We know that women are the weaker vessel. We also know that the culture we live in is rotten and decadent to its core. Combine those two facts, and we know that almost NO woman is morally strong enough to resist the culture’s influence. Ergo, for all her self-delusion of righteousness, a delusion fed by the equally corrupt, worldly, Satan-serving churchian franchise that enables her and glorifies her as if she were a goddess, she is completely devoid of Christ, His message, and His salvation.

  83. fh,

    I agree with him IBB. Men should stop pursuing pussy and focus inwards instead. The culture is toxic. Men need to cut it off.

    Yeah they do. But its even creepier than that.

    Did you see Ross Douthat’s column from the New York Slimes? He channeled another economist from George Mason University. Basically, the argument that was made is, if you can get welfare money, education, housing, and healthcare (and what have you) from government, should there be “sex welfare” as well?

    For those more curious than martial, one useful path through this thicket is to look at areas where extremists and eccentrics from very different worlds are talking about the same subject. Such overlap is no guarantee of wisdom, but it’s often a sign that there’s something interesting going on.

    Which brings me to the sex robots.

    Well, actually, first it brings me to the case of Robin Hanson, a George Mason economist, libertarian and noted brilliant weirdo. Commenting on the recent terrorist violence in Toronto, in which a self-identified “incel” — that is, involuntary celibate — man sought retribution against women and society for denying him the fornication he felt that he deserved, Hanson offered this provocation: If we are concerned about the just distribution of property and money, why do we assume that the desire for some sort of sexual redistribution is inherently ridiculous?

    After all, he wrote, “one might plausibly argue that those with much less access to sex suffer to a similar degree as those with low income, and might similarly hope to gain from organizing around this identity, to lobby for redistribution along this axis and to at least implicitly threaten violence if their demands are not met.”

  84. Paul says:

    @ray

    woked.com is not reliable to say the least. Fetal DNA is actually a good hypothesis, because of real possibility of exchange of fetal cells with a woman’s body. Sperm is a less likely route, as it is more difficult to pass barriers, and it’s haploid. Science has to draw any real conclusions yet.

    It would be actually quite easy to test the several hypotheses. It would seem impossible for a woman to carry diploid Y-chromosome cells which are NOT coming from a fetus. Hence only if we find haploid cells could we conclude sperm cells continue to live in a woman’s body (which would be weird in any case, even for strict monogamous people). In all other cases a pregnancy would be required.

  85. Paul says:

    I don’t know if you guys are familiar with this, but one of the main reasons sexual promiscuity leads to disability to maintain stable relationships is a physical one;
    sex creates permanent bonds due to vasopressin and oxytocin. Breaking up after sex decreases to ability to create tight bonds in new relationships. As this is repeated more often, the ability to sustain long-lasting relationships continue to diminish.

    See for the research e.g. “New Science on How Casual Sex Is Affecting Our Children”

  86. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Alek Minassian was not an incel, according to this video. It was a hoax. Fake news.

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  88. Spike says:

    Hmmm…complete with lesbian subtext. Looks like arthouse is the new mainstream in Hollyweird.

    This is one movie that I HOPE that women drag their men to …. so that all of those Betas wanting to marry career gals with Looonnnngg seksual histories can see that these same women aren’t exactly going to bring their A Game to the marriage.
    Rather, you, Beta man, have to bring YOUR A -game, while she brings her Z-game, marrying you after Boyfriends X and Y.

  89. earl says:

    She has… a sexless but functional marriage with Drew (Ron Livingston), whom Marlo describes as the grounded bench in the careening sexual merry-go-round that was her 20s…

    Isn’t that funny…she had all her sex with strange men outside of marriage and then cuts it off in marriage to the man she should have sex with. The total opposite of how things actually are. Thanks Hollywood for promoting backwards regressive lifestyles once again

  90. earl says:

    Gents, it’s past time that we start to consider the possibility (or what is increasingly looking like the probability) that there is no such thing as a “Christian woman” here in the Western world today.

    It’s best to view the lot of them as churches of feminism, witchcraft, or possibly the occult.

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  92. Luke says:

    We know perfectly well how to fairly distribute sex to men. Society-wide imposition of assortative mating with early marriage, maintained de facto and not just de jure, as the norm, does the trick nicely. Absolutely essential to this:
    1) men have to show that they are marriageable, mainly via economic viability, but secondarily via some demonstration of character;
    2) women have absolutely awful consequences for violating this societal agreement, from shaming and poverty if sluts or homebreakers;
    3) women have essentially three life choices available to them in the society;
    a) prostitute (think streetwalker, not high-priced call girl);
    b) nun (not necessarily religious, but in celibate, low-status, low-paying, humble work);
    c) married (includes faithful sex on demand) wife and (if at all possible) mother, then grandmother later.

    NONE OF THE ABOVE INCLUDES CELEBRITY, POLITICS (including voting, not just holding office), THEOLOGY (clergy AND theological writing meant to have any meaning for males), LAW, FAME AND/OR great WEALTH/POWER LIFE SITUATIONS.

    This worked, for thousands of years. What we have now, won’t last another 30 years.

  93. Anon says:

    IBB,

    If we are concerned about the just distribution of property and money, why do we assume that the desire for some sort of sexual redistribution is inherently ridiculous?

    Well, in countries where prostitution is legal and openly advertised (like Germany), society has hardly fallen apart. They actually advertise their brothels as ‘wellness centers’ and they have saunas and swimming pools in them too.

  94. Gunner Q says:

    IBB @ May 6, 2018 at 12:08 am:
    “Dalrock! I got another topic for you.”

    That one was so good, I already did a fisking. Nice find!

    http://gunnerq.com/2018/05/07/david-frenchs-hit-piece-on-incels/

  95. Gunner, I’m glad you took the bull by the horns. Nice writing.

    I don’t think David French is even aware that he is feminist. He openly admits that his “readers” call him “cuck” and “beta.” He has said as much at NRO. He says it all the time. I’m just not for sure if he even fully understands why. Yes, as a DODO there is probably a mental c0ck-block going on when it comes to understanding that his writing is a mix of feminism and chivalry.

  96. feeriker says:

    He openly admits that his “readers” call him “cuck” and “beta.” He has said as much at NRO. He says it all the time. I’m just not for sure if he even fully understands why.

    I gather, from your description, that being labeled a “cuck” and a “beta” doesn’t particularly bother French (who, being a typical cuckservative, is too wrapped up in his own arrogant sense of self-righteousness to care what anyone else thinks of him). If that’s true, then this guy is a pathetic loser truly beyond redemption who didn’t just “lose” his “man card,” but never had one in the first place (full disclosure: I have not even so much as glanced at a copy of NR, digital or print, in decades and thus know nothing about French or any of that rag’s other regular contributors).

    Small wonder “conservatives” are a despised laughingstock. What utterly clueless rubbish.

  97. bdash 77 says:

    lol there is now a list of the feminist women
    http://swbtsletter.com/

    apparently a man acknowledging a woman as pretty is objectification….

  98. Luke says:

    Re incel men: if the bulk of men have no prospect of peacefully producing with marrying leading to sex and families of their own, they won’t see the point in being productive or peaceful. Go check out societies like Haiti, Somalia, and the Congo to see how wonderful THAT kind of place is.

  99. Anon says:

    I don’t think David French is even aware that he is feminist. He openly admits that his “readers” call him “cuck” and “beta.” He has said as much at NRO. He says it all the time. I’m just not for sure if he even fully understands why.

    That is true of ALL the cucks at NRO. The same is true of Brad Wilcucks and Jim Gay-ratty. Jim Gay-ratty also says his Twitter is full of people calling him a cuckservative, but he is not even curious about why that is. What a faggot.

    Oh, surprise, surprise, he is in favor of bombing Syria.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/syrian-airstrikes-were-the-right-call/

    Oh, and NRO wants donations. I guess the $8000 cuckservative cruise in the summer does not raise enough money given that most of it is spent on gifts for the female staff.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/04/national-review-2018-spring-webathon-jim-geraghty/

  100. Paul says:

    As for distribution of sex by the government (via by force extorted tax money):
    https://mic.com/articles/85201/the-surprising-way-the-netherlands-is-helping-its-disabled-have-sex

    “The Netherlands is known for its social subsidies on everything from education to housing, but it’s also subsidizing sex for the disabled. With prostitution legalized in the country, the government is boosting both the domestic sex economy and the intimate endeavors of its disabled citizens. Put simply, sex is increasingly characterized as a right everyone should be able to enjoy.”

  101. Paul says:

    Also the USA has its share in distributing sex (next to the well-known classical prostitute, or the carousel-riding women): the sexual surrogate. She (or he) is a stand-in sex partner during “psychological therapy”. Helen Hunt starred in such a role in “The Sessions” (2012) by “helping” a disabled guy lose his virginity. Actually, the nudity and sex shown in this movie are the least appalling of the things shown on screen.

  102. Sharkly says:

    Feeriker says: Gents, it’s past time that we start to consider the possibility (or what is increasingly looking like the probability) that there is no such thing as a “Christian woman” here in the Western world today.

    We know that women are the weaker vessel. We also know that the culture we live in is rotten and decadent to its core. Combine those two facts, and we know that almost NO woman is morally strong enough to resist the culture’s influence. Ergo, for all her self-delusion of righteousness, a delusion fed by the equally corrupt, worldly, Satan-serving churchian franchise that enables her and glorifies her as if she were a goddess, she is completely devoid of Christ, His message, and His salvation.

    Wow! that is a powerful statement. I wish more people could see that clearly. So few are on the narrow road, so few really FEAR God. So few fear God enough to try to apply his whole word to the entirety of their own lives.
    Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and the knowledge of the Holy One is insight.
    Churchian hirelings falsely teach people not to be afraid of God. And steal even “the beginning of wisdom” from their sheep. And without even the beginning of wisdom, they are easily led astray, fleeced, and devoured.

    I used to think the hirelings might preach falsehood out of ignorance. But due to my disintegrating marriage, I’ve had the opportunity to personally confront many hirelings with God’s word, and when I make them read where the Bible clearly states the opposite of what they’ve just said, they proceed to push their same point seemingly unfazed. That isn’t ignorance, they have an agenda contrary to God.
    One “pastor” volunteered to counsel us from a marriage book he thought was the greatest. He gave us a small section of the book to go over. Later I met with him privately and showed him that the book he gave me claimed God’s word to be ineffective, and contradicted the Bible. When I asked him if he could counsel us just using the Bible he refused. No doubt this “Pastor” knew I would overrule him with my knowledge of the relevant scriptures and my insistence that God meant what His inspired word says. He didn’t seem to have any interest in pushing a Biblical marriage model. Here is a quote from an e-mail he sent me:
    if your desire is to win your wife back and save your marriage, there’s only one way it’s going to happen (given that God’s grace is the ultimate solution). That is if you, as the leader of your marriage, decide to completely forgive her and utterly humble yourself over a long period of time, asking for forgiveness as many times and as long as it takes for her to be convinced that you are willing to love her, for her. Not love her for what you can get out of it. But completely love her even when she doesn’t give you anything in return.
    My situation is one where my wife has greatly and constantly sinned against me, and is continuing to sin against me unrepentantly, but he focused on the fact that I haven’t always reciprocated with chocolate bonbons, but have expressed my dissatisfaction and that I admitted to resorting to pornography but repented of it. Ultimately I’m glad this thief who is paid to preach God’s word, but refused to teach from the Bible, turned down the opportunity to counsel us. He undoubtedly would have made my wife’s rebellion worse. FWIW He admitted his own marriage is quite rocky. The Fool probably applies his own ideas at home!

    Anyhow I wish I could find many pastor’s willing to rebuke a rebellious woman. I have only found one really old guy in my area, and my wife only saw him once a decade ago. But his rebuke helped us for years, even though she is wary of going back to him now.
    Titus 2:15 Declare these things; exhort and rebuke with all authority. Let no one disregard you.
    Most pastors give up when they find I want my wife to submit, and she doesn’t want to. It is like they know they have to side with me, because her sin is so blatantly wrong, but they just can’t bring themselves to tell my wife that she must submit to me when she claims to be unhaaaapy and untingly.
    Mark 8:38 For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him will the Son of Man also be ashamed when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”

  103. Sharkly says:

    bdash 77,
    apparently a man acknowledging a woman as pretty is objectification….
    It also is a serious breach of commandment ten from “the sixteen commandments of poon”.
    X. Ignore her beauty
    So just don’t say it. It can only bring trouble. And it can get you fired years after the fact.

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/07/08/the-sixteen-commandments-of-poon/

  104. Pariah says:

    What are your thoughts on sex robots? Would it be a sin for a Christian man to have sex with a robot, or even just a sex doll? If theologians aren’t talking about this subject yet, they will be soon. At my college last week the feminist professor in one of my classes started talking about how sex robots are ariving, and was equating them with pedophilia, which in my view seems to be a strawman argument.

  105. Luke says:

    Sharkly observed:

    “I used to think the hirelings might preach falsehood out of ignorance. But due to my disintegrating marriage, I’ve had the opportunity to personally confront many hirelings with God’s word, and when I make them read where the Bible clearly states the opposite of what they’ve just said, they proceed to push their same point seemingly unfazed. That isn’t ignorance, they have an agenda contrary to God.
    One “pastor” volunteered to counsel us from a marriage book he thought was the greatest. He gave us a small section of the book to go over. Later I met with him privately and showed him that the book he gave me claimed God’s word to be ineffective, and contradicted the Bible. When I asked him if he could counsel us just using the Bible he refused. No doubt this “Pastor” knew I would overrule him with my knowledge of the relevant scriptures and my insistence that God meant what His inspired word says. He didn’t seem to have any interest in pushing a Biblical marriage model.”

    I will definitely use this if I am ever in marital counseling again. That is a great line to use.
    The other questions to ask would be to find out if the prospective counselor is a Christian, and if they believe the Duluth Model is at all accurate. If you get any answers that aren’t some version of “Yes, absolutely” and “Not hardly”, run. Oh, and you might ask about their success record in how many couples are still together (share house, bed, and sex lives) a year later.

  106. Paul says:

    @sharkly

    Unfortunately that is the experience of many; church discipline is virtually non-existent, and is especially lacking in the area of divorce. Couple that to distorted teachings, lack of real leadership, feminist rebellion, and you have a recipe for disaster.

    You have to give that to the RCC (and to a lesser degree the Orthodox church): to uphold both male leadership and the sanctity of marriage till-death-do-us-part.

  107. Bee says:

    Sharkly,

    “He gave us a small section of the book to go over. Later I met with him privately and showed him that the book he gave me claimed God’s word to be ineffective, and contradicted the Bible.”

    Which book did he recommend?

  108. Paul says:

    On fearing God

    Many translations have ‘respect’ where the Greek has ‘phobos’: fear or HORROR. Think of all the ‘phobia’ one has that describe a fear, e.g. arachnaphobia = fear of spiders.

    Fear of the Lord describes “fear or a specific sense of respect, awe, and submission to” the Lord.

    Hb 10:26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful (terrifying, phobera) expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

    30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a dreadful (phoberon) thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”

    Note: judge HIS people!

    Interestingly enough, the same word phobos is used in Eph 5

    21 … submitting yourselves to one another out of FEAR for Christ.
    33 … However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must FEAR her husband.

    As the husband-wife relationship symbolizes the Christ-Church relationship, it also sheds light on the ‘fear’ part; love for the Church on the part of Christ is a given.

  109. Paul says:

    @sharkly
    I had a similar experience regarding lack of rebuke. When things were going wrong in my marriage, I consulted the pastor to see if he would be willing to tell my wife not to divorce, as there would not even be any historical acknowledged ground, but he refused. That was the last time I spoke him about it, and I refuse to enter counseling (again) for similar reasons: they will not advice against divorce. Things have been improving since then due to lots of prayer, confession of sins, and increased dedication (of both) to follow the Lord. We’re not there yet however.

    As for historical acknowledged grounds for divorce; no-one is talking about the special exception of Luther anymore:

    “Notice that St. Paul forbids either party to deprive the other, for by the marriage vow each submits his body to the other in conjugal duty. When one resists the other and refuses the conjugal duty she is robbing the other of the body she had bestowed upon him. This is really contrary to marriage, and **dissolves the marriage**. For this reason the **civil government** must **compel the wife**, or **put her to death**. If the government fails to act, **the husband must reason** that his wife has been stolen away and slain by robbers; **he must seek another**.”

    I know; I don’t trust Luther on divorce either. Interestingly enough he DOES address the case of being “unhaaaaaappy” :

    “there is one more which would justify the sundering of husband and wife, but only in such a way that they must both refrain from remarrying or else become reconciled. This is the case where husband and wife cannot get along together for some reason other than the matter of the conjugal duty.”

    So even in this case where he allows for divorce too, he disallows remarriage.

  110. earl says:

    At my college last week the feminist professor in one of my classes started talking about how sex robots are ariving, and was equating them with pedophilia, which in my view seems to be a strawman argument.

    Very strawman. Having sex with a child and masturbating into a machine are certainly two different things. But I wouldn’t expect feminists to get that…they’ve been wrong about sex for years.

  111. earl says:

    Things have been improving since then due to lots of prayer, confession of sins, and increased dedication (of both) to follow the Lord.

    That’s what I would expect a pastor to advise you two about as far as repairing a marriage…not promoting the divorce train. How odd that the laity has a better idea of fixing things than their supposed leaders.

  112. bdash 77 says:

    The head of the Southern Baptists has committed to ENDING hierarchy….
    the guys are not hiding it anymore, their feminism is all out in the open

    the memes underneath are hilarious

    also this woman is in my Church circles…. boasting about how she controls her husband and makes him do domestic work while in business meetings ( If my parents generation saw this they would punish the daughter in law…)

    she also says if her husband chose to wear make up or cross dress it would be fine

  113. feministhater says:

    And now you understand why men like me walk away, bdash 77. There is no saving these ‘churches’. They are infested with evil. They are gangrenous body parts that need to be amputated and disposed of.

    They are vagina worshiping Jezebel factories, more suited to making money from ideologically challenged people. Leave them be, they are of this world and not a place to go find Jesus’ salvation.

    Step away, stop looking at their twatter pages and remove the filth from your mists.

  114. bdash 77 says:

    I can’t
    I am part of it
    I got told I have a wicked heart and am evil ( which of course I am , we all are) for not uspporting this nonsense

    he literally trains men to basically worship girls from age 15
    telling them that good husbands cook and clean and basically do whatever the girl wants.

  115. Novaseeker says:

    At my college last week the feminist professor in one of my classes started talking about how sex robots are ariving, and was equating them with pedophilia, which in my view seems to be a strawman argument.

    Yeah they have this idea that it’s akin to pedophilia because the bot can’t consent, so basically it’s “sex without consent” = “rape culture”.

    I wonder if women are concerned about their vibrators not consenting to being used?

  116. Paul says:

    JD Greear want to disband hierarchy: “Thank you, Beth! Hoping that we are entering a new era where we in the complementarian world take all the Word of God seriously–not just the parts about distinction of roles but also re: the tearing down of all hierarchy & his gracious distribution of gifts to all his children!”

    by which he means : “I don’t mean the removal of roles in the church or home as prescribed in the Bible. I mean it within the complementarian framework. I am referring removal of hierarchies a la Gal 3:28 and the recognition that God gives an array of gifts to men and women to be used in the church.”

    Hierarchies a la Gal 3:28?
    There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

    Jew/Greek is not about a hierarchy, slave/free is not about a hierarchy, and male AND female is not a juxtaposition, hence can also not be about hierarchy.

    What is he talking about?

  117. purge187 says:

    “At my college last week the feminist professor in one of my classes started talking about how sex robots are ariving, and was equating them with pedophilia, which in my view seems to be a strawman argument.”

    Feminists aren’t stupid. Fat and unattractive, maybe, but not stupid. They know that their gender holds the cards, sexually speaking. Sexbots, prostitution and other “alternatives” takes that power out of their hands and takes the attention off of them.

  118. feministhater says:

    Gobbledegook for the masses, eh?

  119. Joe says:

    How to honor your future wife and how to be a happy husband. (Hint: Start now!) https://buff.ly/2FtsD1e

    Holy cow, look at this one:

    “Never ever sleep on the couch. If necessary, sleep on the floor outside the bedroom door.”

  120. DrTorch says:

    Joe- thanks to the link to pulpitandpen. I’m going to check it out further.

  121. bdash 77 says:

    @Joe
    yeah I noticed that
    they literally hate men

  122. Anon says:

    Feminists aren’t stupid. Fat and unattractive, maybe, but not stupid.

    Sez who? They are in fact stupid, in addition to other negative traits.

  123. Otto says:

    Beth Moore??????

    If the SBC if praising Beth Moore, then the rot is deep. I could spend hours documenting the problems with Beth Moore. Fortunately it has already been done.

    http://www.piratechristian.com/messedupchurch/2017/1/the-beth-moore-cornucopia-of-false-doctrine-frenetic-speeches-and-mysticism

    “The Beth Moore Cornucopia of False Doctrine, Mysticism, and Impassioned Frenzy”

    “Beth Moore is a mainstream Evangelical superstar who speaks with an impassioned frenzy that inspires many women to become fanatical followers. She is not (officially) a pastor or theologian, but she serves both of those functions for millions and millions of people in the church. She first gained popularity in the 1990’s when her theology was viewed as middle-of-the-road, Bible-based, Baptist teaching, but her teaching has become more mystical and subjective over the years. Beth Moore sometimes refers to her own direct conversations with God in order to establish and validate her teachings, and she emphasizes unity in the church over sound teaching about important doctrinal matters. Moore has partnered with and endorsed Word of Faith false teachers like Joyce Meyer, Joel Osteen and Christine Cain, and she is featured prominently on TBN:”

    There are two dozen links on the page to critiques of Beth Moore’s theology, which is a mess.

  124. Damn Crackers says:

    The idea that sex should be redistributed has always been my argument against socialism. Sometimes, owning all the capital in the world doesn’t mean sh*t if you aren’t getting laid.

    Honestly if it wasn’t for online porn, video games, and marijuana, there would be a revolution in this country. Check out the rape statistics from the 70s to now in the US. Rape has dropped by something like 80%.

    Once again, I’ll leave this quote here from St. Thomas on St. Augustine. Like prostitution, there are a lot of worse sins than being with a sex robot:

    …those who are in authority, rightly tolerate certain evils, lest certain goods be lost, or certain greater evils be incurred: thus Augustine says (De Ordine ii.4): “If you do away with harlots, the world will be convulsed with lust.” (ST II-II, q. 10, a. 11)

  125. Gunner Q says:

    Sharkly @ 2:38 am:
    “I used to think the hirelings might preach falsehood out of ignorance. But due to my disintegrating marriage, I’ve had the opportunity to personally confront many hirelings with God’s word, and when I make them read where the Bible clearly states the opposite of what they’ve just said, they proceed to push their same point seemingly unfazed.”

    Exactly. They don’t get to be ignorant once their faults are pointed out. This is why Christ wants us to call out evil. It both saves the repentant and damns the unrepentant.

    Pariah @ 3:06 am:
    “What are your thoughts on sex robots? Would it be a sin for a Christian man to have sex with a robot, or even just a sex doll?”

    It’s just a fapping aid. No moral difference from Hand Solo.

  126. squid_hunt says:

    What is wrong with women? Does everything wrong. Settles for the guy that she instinctively knows will put up with her crap. Lives a miserable, depressed, unfulfilled life. “This is just the way it is folks, sorry.”

  127. ys says:

    Bdash-
    Thanks for those tweets. we can pray, Greer has not won the SBC presidency yet, though one of his type will likely win eventually even if he doesn’t this year.
    He also said Christians and Muslims worship the same God.
    The SBC thought it defeated liberals with a conservative resurgance in the 1970s and 1980s. They won a battle. They think they won the war. They will lose this next one because some aren’t aware they’re in a war, and the enemy has adapted methods.

  128. ray says:

    Paul — “I think it is generally well-known that increase in age of the mother (and father here!) increases risk on genetic influenced disorders, of which Down syndrome is the most well-known.”

    I’d agree that this element is generally known in America, but it is very rarely stated, and it is rarely publicized as the CHIEF contributing factor to Downs and severe autism. A non-gynachic society would very quickly establish wide-ranging education and incentive plans to steer women away from pregnancy at advanced ages, and instead encourage birth at appropriate female ages (onset of fertility to around age thirty). Prior to modern feminism, females often married/gave birth in their teens or early twenties; there was no Feminist State to pick up the tab for lifetime care of your Downs/ottie child.

    A feminist society, of course, does exactly the opposite — incentivizing, funding, and encouraging young females instead to take education and employment away from males (already accomplished) whilst encouraging females to have children after their Awesome Careers, in their thirties and forties. Largely MALE children developing severe autism is a direct consequence of this. So, not a problem. It’s only the Little Oppressors that are suffering for female empowerment and greed. Not anybody important.

    Far as increased modern diagnoses of autism goes, it’s a valid point. Aspergers, in particular, is a more fluid category/description, with some individuals demonstrating very specific indicators, and others only mildly affected. And then, of course, there are some pretenders to the condition, seeking sympathy etc. You won’t see anybody pretending to Kanner’s-level autism, however.

  129. ray says:

    Paul — “@ray
    woked.com is not reliable to say the least. Fetal DNA is actually a good hypothesis, because of real possibility of exchange of fetal cells with a woman’s body. Sperm is a less likely route, as it is more difficult to pass barriers, and it’s haploid. Science has to draw any real conclusions yet.”

    It’s not my field of expertise, nor am I qualified to judge the veracity of woked.com, a site I hadn’t seen before actually. However, my (non-scientific) intuition still suggests that some micro-element of male DNA entering the female body is likely to remain permanently, possibly even following death. That is, with the ‘advancements’ in nanotech etc., I suspect in the near-future that science will be able to retrieve a sufficient portion of inseminated DNA from female bodies, and clone the material — no matter how small a sample — to produce . . . well to produce God Knows What, as usual.

    This is surmise; I have no data. Yet Scripture attests concerning the ‘cleaving together’ of the male and female following sex. Science, as usual, may just be running behind.

    Thanks for your detailed response.

  130. ray says:

    IBB — “Yes, as a DODO there is probably a mental c0ck-block going on when it comes to understanding that his writing is a mix of feminism and chivalry.”

    Yeah. It’s the alliance of the DODOs with Team Feminism that, in demographic terms, sealed the Devil’s Deal.

    When I was a kid, if people had tried to exclude sons from education and employment in favor of daughters, they’d have been shamed and shunned as enemy agents against God and Country. People knew that men produced and innovated, women didn’t, and that everybody eventually would suffer if pretending different.

    In your post-feminist nation, such persons instead are hailed as great heroes, as SuperProtectors of America’s most valuable asset, Precious Princesses.

    Once females had the franchise, ‘democracy’ was over, merely a matter of time. Females vote (and think, and act) largely as a bloc; this has been known for millennia. With the elites, intel, corporate government, and homos/freakoids already disposed towards matriarchy/progressivism, the addition of vast hordes of female voters greatly tipped the spirituo-political scales. From that point, it was simply a matter of endlessly incentivizing the parents of daughters — and especially DODOs — to place their princesses above the will of God and the needs of the nation.

    This was accomplished with a cornucopia of measures, some economic, some legal, some mass-psychological, some occult, but all intended to convince DODOs that their selfishness, and their treachery against God and nation, is in fact a GOOD THING . . . indeed, as with the emasculated David French, the DODOs now see themselves, and each other, as great Bravehearts, sustainers of society, and (often) servants of God. Yikes.

    The Repugnicant Party teems with these pseudo-men, whose statuses have rocketed during the past half-century of Total Feminism. All of society has been vetted to place DODOs in key positions throughout America’s institutions. It is not an accident, nor a coincidence, that Barron Trump is the first boy to live in the White House for over fifty years. It is the Hour of the DODO, and Frenchy is merely one example. These are third-rate men, permitted into positions of influence and power for specific reasons. Just like Obama, his fem-family, and his feminist administration.

    Of course, Frenchy and the DODOs will be despised down the corridors of eternity for their cowardice and treachery. The second extinction of dodos. Not before they finish off the West, however.

  131. Paul says:

    @ray: “Yet Scripture attests concerning the ‘cleaving together’ of the male and female following sex. ”

    I’ve written in another comment on the role of vasopressin and oxytocin related to bonding / cleaving together. Others have also mentioned the role of oxytocin in mother-child bonding.

  132. Damn Crackers says:

    Woman flirts/kisses other men while husband films. Husband surprised at wife’s behavior:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5699069/Man-live-streams-kissing-woman-outside-club-husband-appears.html

  133. Paul says:

    @DC

    For some perverted minds cuckoldry is a turn on.

  134. CSI says:

    @Squidhunt

    Yes, the dutiful beta who sacrifices so much for her only winds up getting her contempt and is treated as a joke by society. He is excoriated for not wanting to spend his every spare moment not doing housework for her. Meanwhile, the alpha cad who provides nothing but sex gets her unreserved love and is regarded by society as a hero.

  135. thedeti says:

    From Greear’s piece:

    •Never ever sleep on the couch. If necessary, sleep on the floor outside the bedroom door.

    In other words, worship the ground she walks on, obey her, and literally grovel at her feet outside the bedroom door.

    It’s MY bedroom. I paid for it with my sweat, labor and toil. It is MY bedroom and I won’t be kicked out of it. If she doesn’t want to sleep with me, the sofa is all hers. And if she withholds sex, that’s marital abandonment; and should be dealt with as such.

  136. thedeti says:

    French’s NR piece is essentially “shut up incel men! Give up! Get back in your place, and accept your fate. Don’t self improve, don’t wish for anything more or better. Just go home, lay down, and prepare to die.”

  137. thedeti says:

    Also, French criticizes men for idolizing sex. Well, what did people think was going to happen when feminists and the liberal left made an idol of it during the sexual revolution? Women have been worshiping at the Idol of Self for going on 3 generations now. It’s no surprise that men have wanted a piece of that action.

  138. earl says:

    Well, what did people think was going to happen when feminists and the liberal left made an idol of it during the sexual revolution?

    I have a feeling this is another case of the idea of ’cause and effect’ going way over their heads.

  139. earl says:

    Really the idol of the sexual revolution isn’t sex entirely. It’s women.

    The men of the incel movement are pursuing a god they can’t have. They’re in fact pursuing a god that will disappoint them even if they obtain what they want the most. And so they do what sinful men have done throughout all of human history. They lash out at the objects of their desire. No woman should feel the least bit guilty for not desiring any man — no matter how many movies or television shows teach them that the nerd is the true prize, and the lonely man is the best catch.

    If there’s one commonality between the TradCons, the Churchians, the feminists, the PUAs, and the Incels…they seem to turn women and sex into an idol.

  140. Luke says:

    Earl, replace “women and sex” with “marriage and family”, and for TradCons and Incels, at least, you’d also be right. That also illustrates the key point much more clearly; without prospects of those, if a man doesn’t find one h*ll of a cause to devote his life to instead, life ultimately is pretty pointless.

    I read an essay some years ago that was written by a longtime hospice nurse. She noted that people, when confronting their deaths, fell largely into one of three groups. One group was people with extremely deep religious faiths; we’re talking people that knew with certainty by early high school that they wanted to be nuns or priests. When they confronted death, while still now wanting to die, their faith comforted them. The second group was people who’d had children (presumably, of their own blood, and gotten to raise them). They, too, while not wanting to die, found much meaning, and thus great comfort, in having descendants that would live on after them. (Children are what I call my ticket to the future, where at least part of me gets to go there.) The third category of people, when confronting death, had neither major faith nor having had offspring to make it all having had a point. For them, death was absolutely terrifying, a horrifying loss with nothing redeeming about it whatsoever.

    So, when anyone considers the situation of incels, ponder just what they are confronting as the basic fact of their lives. That is, that they are unloved in the most basic of ways, with humanity and life essentially flipping them off and laughing at them, every second. And, they get to go through the decades of pain and humiliation, KNOWING (if implicitly) that they will be in Category Three at time of death. With nothing they can do, no virtue of character, ability, industriousness, patience, or fortitude, able to rescue them from this interminable purgatory (hell, more like it) of a life, with a certainty of only more pain and meaninglessness to their life at last at its end? Its a miracle they don’t ALL go beserk and bomb/gas/machinegun/drive through crowds. One some level, it’d actually be pretty understandable if they did.

  141. info says:

    @Paul
    Microchimerism is a term you may want to search up. ”One flesh” involves the colonization of male DNA in the female.

  142. info says:

    @mgtowhorseman
    Breastfeeding should be the default way of feeding babies unless circumstances make it otherwise. A lot of benefits in normal circumstances.

  143. American says:

    Anon: “Well, in countries where prostitution is legal and openly advertised (like Germany), society has hardly fallen apart. They actually advertise their brothels as ‘wellness centers’ and they have saunas and swimming pools in them too.”

    ^ In Germany, the degeneration of society is in process. It’s not bottomed yet is all. In fact, the German population is declining at such a staggering pace even in the face of mass immigration of an undesirable non-indigenous German population (e.g. predominately poor ignorant Muslim and North African males masquerading as “children” who go directly on welfare they never leave or join established criminal non-indigenous German gangs) that after 2020 the disappearing of the nation will begin to result in serious and then catastrophic consequences. Gefira produced a scholarly report clearly showing this: https://gefira.org/bulletin/?product=gefira-22-by-the-end-of-the-century-there-will-be-22-million-germans-left

    https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/2018-04-09_17-40-33.jpg?itok=t5gfRBdL

  144. American says:

    @Oscar, if Finland is forced to fight and loses the women will just move over to the victors. That’s how it’s worked throughout human history and the future will be no different. Two women should equal only one vote imo… I’m open to higher ratios; however.

  145. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    At my college last week the feminist professor in one of my classes started talking about how sex robots are ariving, and was equating them with pedophilia, which in my view seems to be a strawman argument.

    And yet, I remember reading about some college course (gender studies? queer studies) in which lesbians were taught how to pleasure each other with dildos. It was described as teaching empowerment, demonstrating that womyn don’t need men to enjoy sex. That male organs can be cheaply replaced.

    When womyn use sex toys, then it’s empowering, because it removes men from the equation. It’s only when hetero men remove womyn from the equation that it becomes evil.

  146. Paul says:

    @RPL: “It’s only when hetero men remove womyn from the equation that it becomes evil.”

    Sure, they instinctively know that without being gatekeepers on sex, women loose their current power.

  147. Luke says:

    I think that’s much or most of it, Paul. As the old joke goes, when some chick grouses to her BF that all men want is sex, he responds “What else you got?”.

    But…

    As Roger Devlin and Daniel Amneus have noted, feminists at their core envy what they perceive as the male role, wanting the apparent respect and freedom, while rejecting the price (of competence, effort, and responsibility). Thus, without the latter, the former is hollow, no matter how much ersatz honor and money is showered upon them. So, they will hate us until we are dead or at least enslaved. So, feminists are at their core bullies and sadists, if not the bravest ones. They are happy seeing us deprived, despairing, in pain, and defeated, even when we presented no threat to them. If men were to commonly make use of pharmaceuticals that destroyed our sex drive, so we reduced how much we miss having good women in our personal lives, they would still be against that.

  148. Pariah says:

    I think I’m really starting to get it – not just theoretically – but from practical experience of studying at college since the start of this year, that the university system is absolutely corrupt, evil, and wicked, and that Christian education took a wrong turn when it began training its ministers this way. I’m becoming so weary to the point were I don’t want to do this anymore. This same feminist theology professor is pushing these obscene twisted views on scripture, giving us reading material from the likes of Trevor Dennis, who claims that king David and Jonathan were homosexual lovers and that Naomi and Ruth were lesbian lovers. This professor is stipulating that we have to include feminist quotes in our final assignment for the unit that I’m in. I’m assuming he expects us to adopt a feminist exegetical method, and that if we were to disagree with feminism then he will penalise our grade. This whole Bible college system is in cahoots with the feminist agenda. And this is supposed to be a more conservative Baptist college. There is no redeeming it. It needs to be burned to the ground. True Christians should just follow the example that Jesus gave, and the example of Paul with Timothy. Practical hands on training like an apprenticeship rather than a classroom.
    /end rant.

  149. Pariah says:

    “Greer… said Christians and Muslims worship the same God.”
    He’s a heretic then.

  150. Paul says:

    @Pariah

    Which university?

  151. Paul says:

    Trevor Dennis: “Lesbians and gays are the Bible’s greatest lovers, says Trevor Dennis”
    (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/oct/14/religion.gayrights)

    Here are some of his priceless quotes:
    * “The Song of Songs, a series of erotic poems, composed almost certainly by women, celebrates the subversive, pre-marital sexual love of a pair of teenagers”

    * “The Bible also celebrates same-sex relationships, despite what those persuaded by a few verses in Leviticus and the epistles might believe.”

    * “the meeting of Jonathan with David in the first book of Samuel as “love at first sight” – at least on Jonathan’s part. We are dealing, he says, “with no platonic friendship, but with all the elements of passionate romance”.”

    * “The book of Ruth is the great love story of the Bible and it is a story of love between women – Ruth’s marriage to Boaz is entered into only to protect the relationship between the women and ensure their survival.”

  152. TMAC says:

    Ok so JD Greear has some tips for husbands? We’ll let’s see if we can counter that with some tips for wives. Since I know he’d never dare publish THAT list, I thought I do it here.
    *Note – His husband tips are first, then under each one are the wife tips added by yours truly…enjoy!

    • Work hard, but put your presence with your wife and family ahead of your career goals.
    Work Hard, but put your husband’s agenda for the family ahead of your own.
    • Pursue God together.
    Follow your husband as Spiritual leader of your home.
    • Be her friend.
    Be his biggest supporter
    • Do the dishes.
    Change a flat tire, mow the lawn
    • Learn how to have conflict.
    Learn how to NOT have conflict
    • Love in the midst of conflict.
    Don’t withhold sex because you didn’t get your way
    • Develop the skill to resolve conflict with compassion.
    Learn to simply submit to what you husband says, even if you disagree
    • Apologize (and don’t expect an apology).
    Apologize (and don’t expect an apology).
    • Laugh at your own jokes.
    Be friendly, be kind, be respectful… always.
    • Seek out wisdom from older husbands.
    Seek advice from women who know what Titus 2:3-5 says
    • Lay down your life for your family.
    Obey your husband in everything
    • Take road trips.
    Keep the house clean
    • Demand respect for your wife, not from your wife.
    Demand love for your husband, not from your husband
    • Laugh at her jokes.
    Compliment him regularly, especially in front of others
    • Be empathetic.
    Don’t nag him…. Ever!
    • Throw parties and enjoy your friends together.
    Never ridicule his friends
    • Seek her input and insight.
    Get his advice and then follow it
    • Watch your favorite comedies together over and over and over until the lines become part of everyday conversations.
    Don’t force him to watch romantic movies
    • Listen to her.
    Listen to him
    • Learn how to cook.
    Learn how to cook
    • Never ever sleep on the couch. If necessary, sleep on the floor outside the bedroom door.
    If your husband isn’t sleeping in the marriage bed, it might be your fault.
    • Learn how to be wrong with patience and how to be right with humility.
    Learn how to not be emotionally manipulative when you don’t get your way.
    • Eat together every day.
    Don’t whine when he can’t always eat with the family
    • Have an open door.
    Respect your husband’s privacy – learn how to NOT complain
    • Get away together whenever you can.
    Be willing to have sex with no foreplay, dinner, or household chores first
    • Find friends whose company you both enjoy.
    Let him have friends that are HIS friends
    • Serve other people together.
    Be willing to serve him regularly
    • Bring home flowers.
    Bring home tickets to the game
    • Eat everything she cooks.
    Don’t be immature when he’s honest about not liking a particular dish you made.
    • Say, “I love you” before you fall asleep.
    Say, “Thanks for being a great husband” before falling asleep
    • Leave room in your budget for generosity.
    Ask your husband how he wants to do the budget and then follow his guidelines
    • Under-promise and over-deliver.
    Throw your romantic, Hollywood-style, expectations about love in the trash
    • Display affection and say, “I love you” in front of your kids.
    Never undermine your husband’s authority – especially in front of your family
    • Be on her side.
    Never demand that your husband make you happy

  153. Paul says:

    Just had a comment previously published at JD Greear website (https://jdgreear.com/blog/happy-husband-advice-15-year-old-son/) removed. Was maybe too confrontational?

    Some additional indispensable advice to sons:
    – only select women who are wholeheartedly following the Lord
    – demand up-front adherence to the commands of Jesus and the apostles:
    * marriage lasts “until death do us part”, no divorce allowed
    * authority of your wife’s body for sexual pleasure belongs to you after marriage vows have been given (just as she has authority over your body)
    * commitment to fulfill the “marital duty” (i.e. sex-on-demand)
    * commitment of your future wife to submit to you as she submits to the Lord in everything
    * commitment of your future wife to respect you
    * commitment of your future wife to be your helpmeet
    – make financial arrangements upfront in case your wife decides to follow the 70% of women who initiate “no-fault” divorces (at a current ~50% divorce rate!) and take 50% of shared possessions. This might be extremely difficult. A trust fund might be necessary. Seek legal advice.
    – lead her as Christ leads His Church, by the Word
    – don’t idolize your wife, she does and will sin and will need to repent
    – if needed confront her errors, make truth a priority

  154. TMAC says:

    Paul – Here’s my comment on the “Advice to sons” It’s awaiting moderation – let’s see if it gets published…

    This is mostly virtue-signaling, wife worship. We are pretending to say things like this to men, when in reality we really just want other women to see that we said it so that we will appear like the knight-in-shining-armour. We know full-well that when women read this, it becomes their list of “make me happy or else” demands that they will then use to hold their husbands, marriages, beds, and families hostage when their men do not tow the line. Can we please dispense with this nonsense and just say what Scripture says. Are we really that scared of the feminists at this point?

  155. bdash 77 says:

    they always ask men to cook and clean
    they really just want to reverse household codes

  156. OKRickety says:

    Paul,

    So far I do not think there has been mention of marital fidelity. Yes, it should be a given, but infidelity happens.

    marriage lasts “until death do us part”, no divorce allowed

    If your wife had sex with another man, would you really want to remain married to her? Do you believe God insists on it, or does the Mosaic Law penalty of death for adultery set the precedent for allowing divorce today?

  157. earl says:

    – don’t idolize your wife, she does and will sin and will need to repent

    That goes completely against the first ‘commandment’ of Feminist TradCon Churchianity.

    It’s never the woman’s fault…the man is always to blame.

    We should call this ideology out for what it is…idolatry of women.

  158. Bee says:

    Pariah,

    “True Christians should just follow the example that Jesus gave, and the example of Paul with Timothy. Practical hands on training like an apprenticeship rather than a classroom.
    /end rant.”

    Good rant.

    Proverbs 13:20 If you walk with wise men, you will be wise.

  159. Paul says:

    @OKRickety

    Yes I believe that adultery is not a ground for divorce. Do you belief there are sins of a spouse which cannot be forgiven?

  160. ray says:

    Paul — “I’ve written in another comment on the role of vasopressin and oxytocin related to bonding / cleaving together. Others have also mentioned the role of oxytocin in mother-child bonding.”

    I saw that comment. Thank you.

  161. SCC says:

    Just had a comment previously published at JD Greear website

    The comment I made didn’t make it thru moderation.

    But I posted more today. Including a reply to this comment Wow you have some readers who seem to totally miss your point! My husband longs to be an honorable man and these are exactly the same places the Lord has been leading him: to lay down one’s life as HE did. This was a beautiful share.

    I wrote:

    You and your husband are missing the point. Your husband will not lay down his life as a perfect sacrifice, b/c he’s not perfect, and that sacrifice was already paid.

    Instead, he should be leading the way that Christ leads his bride, the church. That’s w/ authority (Matt 7:29, Mark 1:22), direction (John 4, Matt 16:16, Luke 10) and sternness (Luke 9:55).

    And you should respond w/ respect (Eph 5:33) submission (Eph 5:22, I Pet 3:1) and obedience (John 14)

  162. Paul says:

    @info: “Microchimerism is a term you may want to search up. ”One flesh” involves the colonization of male DNA in the female.”

    That might be, but still is lacking proof. If so, it would also need to involve female DNA into the male.

  163. Sharkly says:

    Paul says: As for historical acknowledged grounds for divorce; no-one is talking about the special exception of Luther anymore:

    I have in fact read Martin Luther on the frigid wife, and it gave me great comfort that at least the great reformer understood my plight. Even while the pastorbaters of today remain indifferent.
    I also noted that he thought the world was going to go down the slippery slope to moral chaos since the civil authorities had gone lax on executing adulterers, as was their duty.
    Apparently he was right. We now live in a world of moral chaos.

  164. Paul says:

    JD Greear website allowed me to post a modified version of my post: I had to remove any word that contained “sex”, but especially the “on-demand” part was not tolerated.

    commitment to fulfill the “marital duty” (i.e. sex-on-demand)

    became

    commitment to fulfill the “marital duty”

    Some of the other comments from posters here have also appeared.

  165. bdash 77 says:

    They don’t care
    they teach their young couples that men should come home and do all the domestic tasks and serve his wife, support her career and basically worship her…

  166. Swanny River says:

    Putting Sharkly and Paul’s recent posts together is funny. Do I have it right, JD wouldn’t post a comment of Luther’s? If sex on demand is too harsh for JD, certainly execution would possibly give JD a fainting spell and maybe cause him to call the FBI on Luther and the CPS to take his kids away. Life is hard for such a caring and wise man like JD. So much patriarchy left to smash for him, I wonder how he is able to sleep given all of the wrongness he sees.
    What does JD think of in Numbers I think, when he reads Eliezar spears an Israelite leader for marrying a Midianite?
    Disclaimer for weakkneed lurkers- I am not advocating for or thinking about spearing anyone.

  167. Oscar says:

    @ Swanny River

    They weren’t married, and it was Phinehas, son of Eleazar.

    Numbers 25:1 While Israel was staying in Shittim, the men began to indulge in sexual immorality with Moabite women, 2 who invited them to the sacrifices to their gods. The people ate the sacrificial meal and bowed down before these gods. 3 So Israel yoked themselves to the Baal of Peor. And the Lord’s anger burned against them.

    4 The Lord said to Moses, “Take all the leaders of these people, kill them and expose them in broad daylight before the Lord, so that the Lord’s fierce anger may turn away from Israel.”

    5 So Moses said to Israel’s judges, “Each of you must put to death those of your people who have yoked themselves to the Baal of Peor.”

    6 Then an Israelite man brought into the camp a Midianite woman right before the eyes of Moses and the whole assembly of Israel while they were weeping at the entrance to the tent of meeting. 7 When Phinehas son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron, the priest, saw this, he left the assembly, took a spear in his hand 8 and followed the Israelite into the tent. He drove the spear into both of them, right through the Israelite man and into the woman’s stomach. Then the plague against the Israelites was stopped; 9 but those who died in the plague numbered 24,000.

  168. WordsofGold says:

    And possibly the cocktail of drugs most women get during the labor and birth. That can’t be good for the hormones and bonding that must take place. Also, the fact that most women give up on breastfeeding in the early weeks or months. Great point on the dominion mandate.

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