The concept of the cock carousel is entering the mainstream lexicon, complete with a beta chump at the end of the line to pick up the tab. From Tully, reviewed. at Slate:
She has… a sexless but functional marriage with Drew (Ron Livingston), whom Marlo describes as the grounded bench in the careening sexual merry-go-round that was her 20s…
The reviewer at Slate is delighted that the movie shows motherhood as ugly:
The 50 pounds Theron gained for the role is just the beginning of the film’s mission to expose the less-than-enchanting facets of motherhood. After the delivery, we see Marlo shuffle to the hospital bathroom in a diaper and yell at a nurse about urinary catheters while forcing herself to pee on the toilet. The maternal and bodily scenarios here that we never see in other pop cultural depictions are painful and manifold, and that’s the point.
See Also:
- Losing control of the narrative.
- She’s saving her farts for you.
- Friday afternoon ugly feminists: Hot farts edition.
Yes the whole tone of the review is that of an excoriation of actual motherhood, a critique of it. I guess I’m not surprised given that it’s a Theron film — she has a bent for relentlessly feminist subversive roles.
Oddly, in the set of linked slate articles collected at the end of that one was this piece about a married couple where the wife has a live-in girlfriend, and how this is the solution to overworked, overstressed couples: https://slate.com/human-interest/2018/05/easier-with-three-work-life-and-polyamory.html . As I have said on numerous occasions, this is the next cultural change front, and stories like that one are the early wave.
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Ah yes, Charlize Theron.
I’m glad we exported this crazy bitch to you guys. You can keep her.
I’m not sure about the movie. If it says motherhood is hard, and women need support from other females, well, that’s an observable truth and in line w/ Scripture. I don’t know the details, but seems like the marriage improves through the movie.
As for Novaseeker’s article on polyamory…just seems like a return to a harem. The irony of how far backwards feminism is taking society is not lost on me, I find it humorous.
yeah its one thing that is so odd
in most Asian countries once the baby comes there is a flurry of female relatives who come and help, etc
no male paternity leave nonsense
I believe this was the same in Bible times as well.
most women can’t handle babies on their own, far too weak
Live in girlfriend or house slave.
Are we reurning to the Roman model? The house slave performed household duties (including providing sex to the husband) to unburden the wife.
The only thing different is she is providing sex to the wife, not the husband. She contributes to the household (in both labor and financial support), yet she gets nothing back–she is not paid, she doesn’t own the house and she’s not married to either, so they could kick her out tomorrow.
How much different is she from a Roman slave?
I’ll reserve judgment until the movie is out, but they’re certainly promoting it as another middle class white angst movie.
I don’t think it’s all that revolutionary to portray the downside of motherhood. That’s the problem. It’s all either glossy perfection, or 50 lbs overweight with a messy house and cracks about drinking wine and not much of a positive side.
I’m beginning to think white people are just not cut out for child rearing
Here is another good pic of a young woman sitting on a rooster statue. Work friendly.
Heard a review of this movie on the radio this morning. Never heard such a long review before, but this is the far left CBC.
“I’m beginning to think white people are just not cut out for child rearing”
Working mothers are not cut out for childrearing.
If everything goes perfectly, working mother’s can handle it. But, we know things never go perfectly.
In times past, extended family and neighbors helped. Today’s mothers (much less working mother’s) don’t have that help.
The real choice is work or motherhood. Today’s woman can’t do both.
Well, I read about the big “reveal” in the Tully movie:
SPOILER ALERT (like any of you folks are going to see it):
Tully, the sprite nanny helper who assists Theron, is a figment of her post-partum depression.
As stripper turned screen writer Diablo Cody states, “The movie is actually about her lack of treatment…Sometimes what you’re desperate is for someone to say: ‘Hey, I actually see what’s going on here. This is serious, we need to deal with it and there’s a name for it, And Marlo [Theron] doesn’t get that comfort in this film. Because the film is meant to be uncomfortable.” She especially doesn’t get help from her “distracted” husband.
Did they have post-partum depression in any other time period?
@ Otto
or they get their husbands to do it
like Jackie HIll Perry
she goes around speaking ( Gospel Coalition etc)
while her husband follows her with the baby
( She is having a baby this month ( second_ and going to speak at the Gospel Coalition in June….
Husbands are encouraged to do so as it show servant leadership
in fact i AM STARTING TO SEE that churches excuse female sin by tricking husbands into servant leadership
@Damn Crackers
Did they have post-partum depression in any other time period?
Good point. After reading that review of the film I’m starting to wonder if even PPD is just another symptom of the modern refusal to hold women accountable for anything. Just look at what the article tells us about the character played by Theron: She’s promiscuous, self-centered, neglectful of both her husband and her children, and has a quick temper with random strangers as evinced by her screaming outbursts. Is that an indictment of her character? No, not according to the writer. It’s an indictment of motherhood! We really need to understand how hard that role is for women.
If a young father with a new baby suddenly lost his job and started yelling at his wife before skipping town to find some relief with a hot new piece of tail, do you suppose there’s any chance we’d be able to find anyone willing to publicly say, “You know, we should really understand that fatherhood can be hard on a man . . . . “
I’m just going to leave this here:
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/m/707f0667-fd71-3fb5-afc8-b874b4168fe1/ss_collared-clergywear-wants-to.html
Did they have post-partum depression in any other time period?
Absolutely. But it is made worse by the “You’re a daughter of the King” shtick, b/c it amplifies the feelings of failure, and hints at a world of sunshine and roses, not the reality that we’re all given the hard work of the dominion mandate, and encouragement to grind through.
I also believe that submission is a blessing for these instances, b/c the wife doesn’t have to spend lots of mental energy, she just has to be obedient. It’s a path to quicker recovery. Same thing w/ intimacy.
It’s possible that the pill makes things worse too.
@bdash,
That’s still a one parent working and on taking care of the baby full time example. You just have the mom and dad switching roles.
It’s amazing to look at the benefits of traditionalism, and contrast that to these modern media examples. Just another manifestation of how lead astray women have been with feminism.
@Otto
yup but men were designed to do more Challenging stuff
so it is no surprise that a man can care for the babies on his own
in fact I see it regularly at Church
Churchian man- servant leader – studying to be a Pastor
lazy housewife who loves God
He works all day, makes his own breakfast and cares for the baby in the morning ( wife too lazy)
comes home, showers, cooks dinner, cares for the baby all night ( wife on facebook)
when people come over, wife barely cooks helps, husband never allowed to sit down
he goes and studies from 8-12 at night plus cares for the baby.
this just shows men are more capable ( am not really sure why he is married- his wife is so lazy- she never even lets him sit in Church because he needs to serve and sacrifice and care for the baby s she can be spiritually fed by the pastor)
So when roles are reversed the need for help is not necessary.
Bdash, so Jackie Hill Perry has a house husband and a dual last name? If so, I used to have an initial reaction of chalking choices like that to a lack of maturity, but with the Christian culture going fem, I hold out little hope that such a woman will ever grow out of or repudiate her choices.
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Yes- well basically yeah, he does some speaking but its mostly her
Jen Wilkin is a big part of this ( internally)
she goes around training pastors and men to be more domestic and care for the home so wives are free to pursue their calling.
Jen has done an amazing job at achieving her goals
She is the official Women’s ministry trainer for aspiring pastors at TGC, ACTS 29 etc so…
not a single sermon or article from these churchians asks women to help their husbands and care for their homes
On the post-partum thing, I think it’s probably a result of no longer being the center of attention: everybody loves the pregnant woman, until they love the baby. Pile on that the amount of new work a child brings. Not a recipe for happiness in our “you go grrl” culture.
@DoctorTorch
In addition, today’s Modern Woman knows that she has exactly six weeks with her baby before she has to go back to work full time. From that point on, she will struggle with both her work responsibilities as well as her family responsibilities. The knowledge that you are working very long hours yet doing a substandard job at everything that you attempt is very depressing. And other women who did NOT go back to work when their children were little can be counted on to make snarky remarks about the Modern Woman’s lack of maternal instinct, etc.
Post-partum depression is triggered by the hormone crash that occurs with the birth of the baby. It is very real, although much worse for some women than for others. For a woman who is already depressed or stressed out it can be very bad indeed.
I do not see any modern women struggling with her family responsibilities…
she just makes her beta male husband do everything while she sits on social media
Original Laura needs to live in the real world
@original
PPD far more likely to occur with C section or epidural + pitocin. You screw with natural processes and you get the side effects.
All I see is women’s choices cause them to be depressed. Their opinions and choices are bad, and they should feel bad. (which is why that particular meme is super effective)
You can boundary condition and exception all you want, but sadness and depression are nearly entirely due to choice; diet, lifestyle, marriage, birth, narcissism, no family, etc.
Traditionalism, with its focus on what works over the centuries, was jettisoned by women as patriarchal slavery. Now they flit between one self help book to another, always trying to avoid the pain of realizing that they’re at fault for their own choices.
There’s a ton of reasons for PPD and general crappiness of women’s lives, and it’s the same root cause as why Eve ate the fruit: desire to be as a God and reject their own nature and purpose.
bdash-
My wife is a modern woman, depending on how one defines modern, who does all these…she struggles with housework, kids and doesn’t work outside the home. She also has no idea who Jen Wilkin and Jackie Hill Perry are. There’s a connection. She’s heard of Beth Moore but doesn’t like her.
The thing with Jen Wilkin especially…with all the me-too, Bill Hybels stuff coming out. I’ll just hurl out an anonymous online accusation…wouldn’t be shocked if Wilkin and Chandler had an affair and that’s how she rose so high.
Chandler’s wife is a lot better looking than Jen…
but Jen’s husband or any husband who is fine with his wife going on trips and spending more time with other men obviously has weird fantasies…
The movie is just another entry in the entertainment industry’s war on motherhood and the traditional family. American Beauty, part MCMXXVII. What more needs to be said?
@feministhater: “I’m glad we exported this crazy bitch to you guys.”
Kom jy uit Suid-Afrika?
Ain’t that the the truth! It seems that every career woman I know, regardless of race, is completely overwhelmed with the singe child she has. I guess the Lexus and the designer clothes are worth it.
That is fortunate. The few churchian women I know think Moore is the bee’s knees.
“She’s heard of Beth Moore but doesn’t like her”.
Smart Women.
Thing is, there’s lots of false teaching out there that lots of women fall for,.
One day a copy of the heretical book”Jesus Calling” made it’s way into our house. Given to my wife by a friend. I knew about that book and told her about it.
A few days later, I saw it in the trash. I could have tossed it, but I wanted her to “own” tossing it herself.
LOTS of woman fall for Beth Moore. It’s tricky because she mixes some truth with false teaching. That’s how they always do it.
This is the most strongly worded yet…
http://pulpitandpen.org/2018/05/03/a-letter-back-to-beth-moore-from-seth-dunn/
Ja, maar dit is meer korrek te se dat ek bly in Suid Afrika of ek lewe in Suid Afika.
If I was living in another country then it would be proper to say that I come out of that country.
Gosh…. I mean if I were visiting or staying in another country then it would be correct to say that I was coming out of South Africa.
Ain’t that the truth! Children do tend to take up most of a parent’s time. More so if you only have one. That’s what Day Care is for after all. Don’t you know that?!
vfm7916
It’s amazing to look at the benefits of traditionalism, and contrast that to these modern media examples. Just another manifestation of how lead astray women have been with feminism.
“But traditionalism is boring! The carousel is exciting!” — a whole lot of teen and 20-something girls
Just saying. Because hypergamy doesn’t care about your traditions.
As stripper turned screen writer Diablo Cody writes
Watch out Kendricks brothers, here comes your modern competition…
@ DamnCrackers
RE Did they have post-partum depression in any other time period?
Though obviously not under that modern label of PPD (“postpartum depression”) there are descriptions of women experiencing ennui & apathy towards newborn infants going back to Hippocrates (circa ~400 BC); but it was apparently rather rare. (Than again infanticide was hardly uncommon, and if you relabel that as PPD or PPD related…)
There are theories that much of the present quasi-epidemic of it (because it is indeed MORE common these days than a few decadesback) is due to the “modern” system of giving birth, including everything from medications that induce (force) labor and augment (speed up) birth, to nitrous oxide, epidurals & antispasmodics, to C-sections, and other “sterile” obstetric procedures (i.e. taking the newborn away to be cleaned, thus delaying/deferring the “bonding” which of course is also inhibited by various medications given to the mother — including opoids which may reduce pain, but also potentially cause a “fogginess” & dissociation, etc).
Notably PPD is MASSIVELY more common with Cesarean births: https://www.webmd.com/baby/news/20080904/c-section-affects-moms-response-to-baby#1
I think one could also easily posit that a host of other things — including of course the hormonal impact of having been on “birth control” for many years (the long term effect of which — on the psyche of the woman — has NEVER really been studied {because it’s not “PC” to do so}) — or also, especially with older 30+ women having their “first” child; the realization with many that their prior “abortions” were NOT in fact just getting rid of some “unwanted tissue growth.”
Seriously, think about it: you’ve just had a kid… cute, cuddly, noisy, vulnerable, etc — but a decade+ ago you had one or more (possibly a series of several) “abortions” back in your late high school, college, or early career years — back THEN it was perhaps an easily dismissed “piffle”, pop some meds and move on… suddenly the REALITY of what was done, of what YOU did: that you effectively KILLED your *actual* “first-born” child (and possibly second-born, etc), begins to sink in. And moreover, you cannot “run away” from it, because the PRESENT child is a daily, constant, incessant reminder of that… think THAT isn’t going to be “depressing”???
@Novaseeker: “Evan” Urquhart was born Vanessa Vitello Urquhart, and identified as a butch lesbian before “transitioning” to being a transman. So it’s not really a harem–just three lesbians doing whatever it is lesbians do. (I know what lesbians do, but without a penis involved it just seems like little kids pretending to have sex without understanding what sex actually is.)
Lets not forget some quarter of women are on anti-depressants to begin with. The hormone fluctuations after birth are going to send them on loop-d-loops. But the root problem is they were crazy to start with.
“a sexless but functional marriage”
If it is sexless (not due to e.g. accident or illness), then it is NOT functional.
My life is fully functional without a carousal rider exploiting me and using the government to hold me hostage. They can pay their own bills and solve their own problems which I don’t want to hear about either.
“Good point. After reading that review of the film I’m starting to wonder if even PPD is just another symptom of the modern refusal to hold women accountable for anything. ”
Ya know, I’m starting to think the same thoughts about autism. I wonder if “autistic” children are the product of post partum “suffering” women who just didn’t care about them other than use them for Facebook photo ops or as bargaining chips in a divorce.
apropo of nothing:
http://pulpitandpen.org/2018/04/25/russell-moore-joins-george-soros-mouthpiece-promote-globalist-immigration-policy/
“I’m beginning to think white people are just not cut out for child rearing”
Modern Western white people, corrupted by three quarters of a century of soft, hedonistic living, most certainly aren’t cut out for anything requiring even a small measure of self-sacrifice. Children require A LOT of self-sacrifice. That explains why most people today outsource the raising of their kids to disinterested strangers who often put them in danger. It’s too much of a bother to do it themselves (“I gave birth to the g**d***ed thing! You really expect me to raise it too?!?!).
Working mothers are not cut out for childrearing.
Oh, you sexist pig, you!! How dare you make such Neanderthal, misogynist remarks! Get with th 21st Century!
If everything goes perfectly, working mother’s can handle it. But, we know things never go perfectly.
And that’s ALL MEN’S FAULT!! A misogynist conspiracy!!!
In times past, extended family and neighbors helped. Today’s mothers (much less working mother’s) don’t have that help.
Given women’s congenital inability to grasp cause and effect, it occurs to ZE-RO of them that the reason why the support of family and neighbors that was so ubiquitous in generations past is not manifesting itself today is because their own selfish, hedonistic, promiscuous lifestyle choices –a.k.a. the fruits of feminism– have led directly to the destruction of families and communities.
You bitches now get to lie in the cold, hard, lumpy, piss-shit-and-puke-soaked beds you made for yourselves.
The real choice is work or motherhood. Today’s woman can’t do both.
Most can’t do either one individually, either, as the abundant evidence all around us makes very clear.
feminsthater — “Ah yes, Charlize Theron.
I’m glad we exported this crazy bitch to you guys. You can keep her.”
That’s like crapping in the neighbor’s toilet then announcing ‘You can keep it.”
Charlize, fine Christian name, makes a one-woman argument for closing the borders altogether. Maybe chopping off Canada so there’s a big moat around most of the nation.
Charlize’s mom killed Charlize’s dad (who could guess?) and was completely exonerated Because Abusive. It’s a common disease. Off went ebullient Mom and Charsleaze to their Awesome Patriarchy-Free life.
And here we all are.
It’s possible that God took away your nation and gave it to the children of Ham singularly because of awesome Char. Toss in her mom too.
Damn Crackers — “Did they have post-partum depression in any other time period?”
It’s modern concurrent with that pseudo-science, psychology.
In Biblical times females commonly gave birth and went back to regular duties a few hours thereafter. Many cultures had female-separation immediately after birth, for a set period, but those females probly re-assumed standard duties promptly.
PP Depression is a make-believe cash-cow for the enormous and bloated therapy-psychiatry industry. Modern females don’t suffer from PPD, they suffer from their own matriarchy.
yeah they had female separation
but other females were looking after it
not some servant leading wimp husband ( who if he did not work could not feed his family)
rocko said: “Ya know, I’m starting to think the same thoughts about autism.”
I’ve read there is a link between autism and mothers who give bottled milk to their baby rather than breast milk. The breast milk gives the child healthy gut bacteria. Without that healthy bacteria, the babies’ immune system gets screwed, causing brain damage [my crude description]. Look up “Gut and Psychology Syndrome” by Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride
“The breast milk gives the child healthy gut bacteria. Without that healthy bacteria, the babies’ immune system gets screwed, causing brain damage”
Excellent point pariah.
The sickness of western children is directly as result of the choices western women make.
I’ve never,ever, seen an Amish child with downs or autism. (because they obey God’s natural order.)
Then a second thought came to mind on this disturbed morning:
What about the zombie culture?
So many people arming themselves against “The Zombies” that are already here?
Perhaps it’s a subconscious pushback against this culture of death.
@Novaseeker: “Evan” Urquhart was born Vanessa Vitello Urquhart, and identified as a butch lesbian before “transitioning” to being a transman. So it’s not really a harem–just three lesbians doing whatever it is lesbians do. (I know what lesbians do, but without a penis involved it just seems like little kids pretending to have sex without understanding what sex actually is.)
Aha, that’s a good find. What a joke, really.
So much I didn’t know/understand about breast feeding until I had my own kids and have been present for all of it.
The most fascinating and endearing thing about it is that anytime something of an emotional/bonding quality happens, or is said, or talked about, my wife will get a little quieter, her affect softens and she she will say “that made my milk come down.” The three month old still has while to go.
If my son (who stopped a year ago) comes running in the room and says something sweet to her, or has just skinned his knee, or whatever–happens every time.
And its not just stuff related to the kids. Even if she and I are just driving in the car somewhere alone and share a tender/romantic moment or profess some feelings for each other it happens.
What an incredible gift God gave to families when a mom is surrounded by her children and husband who make her feel that way all time, and in turn we all benefit from it.
“I’ve read there is a link between autism and mothers who give bottled milk to their baby rather than breast milk. The breast milk gives the child healthy gut bacteria.”
That’s unlikely. Breastfeeding has become far more de rigueur in recent years (the past two or three decades) than it was in the 50s, 60s, 70s. There was a belief that formula was better back then. Grandparents today are more likely to have been bottle fed than their grandchildren. But autism has skyrocketed in recent years.
A lot of people have lost the ability to effectively breastfeed. Not surprising because we haven’t had to do it out of necessity for a while. Even some domesticated dogs have lost the ability. Supply is a problem. Not for everyone, but a good percentage.
Just to add, wet nurses fall into the equation for longterm supply trends. Not just bottles (which are a relatively modern day thing). Same with some dogs…they have wet nurses for dogs too.
I believe it shocks Americans to learn that in England and we term it Infanticide, it is quite legal – that is to say it is not to be regarded as Murder – should a mother kill her child before the said child has reached his or her first birthday. The cut-off point is of course quite arbitrary and could be extended to either direction but that has been the law since the Infanticide Act of 1922. I never came across an instance of it in practice. We have always been soooooo caring.
Tully: I thought that was a movie with Tom Hanks about an airplane???
Perennial attention seeking millionaire hereticess extraordinaire Beth Moore was rightfully referenced in the comments to this post. Her “Christian” parenting chops?
http://pulpitandpen.org/2018/01/23/beth-moores-daughter-says-boycott-seminaries-without-female-professors/
@ray: “In Biblical times females commonly gave birth and went back to regular duties a few hours thereafter.”
Not so, laws were given that made these women unclean, meaning they had to remain separate for some time (interestingly enough, they were twice as long unclean for a daughter as for a son).
Stop this pseudo-scientific babble about autism, Amish, and God’s natural order, it’s bullsh*t.
The Amish are known to have a whole host of genetic disorders due to their small gene pool which results in “inbreeding”.
In following some of the links above, I discovered a very interesting fact. Beth Moore’s daughter, Melissa, who is spearheading the boycott of seminaries without female faculty …. is divorced. The divorce was initiated by her, and the reason (according to court documents) was “personality conflict”.
@Darwinian Armenian
——Just look at what the article tells us about the character played by Theron: She’s promiscuous, self-centered, neglectful of both her husband and her children, and has a quick temper with random strangers as evinced by her screaming outbursts. Is that an indictment of her character? No, not according to the writer. It’s an indictment of motherhood! We really need to understand how hard that role is for women.—–
Or no indictment at all. That kind of behavior is now lauded as empowerment. It’s not even seen in a bad light anymore. No one would ever think to criticize a woman for being neglectful of her husband. Not even trad-con men. The criticisms would only emerge if a woman actually went out of her way for her husband. Upside down clown world.
And her apparent screaming outbursts at random strangers (men, naturally) is just all kinds of you go grrl.
Paul — @ray: “In Biblical times females commonly gave birth and went back to regular duties a few hours thereafter.” Not so, laws were given that made these women unclean, meaning they had to remain separate for some time (interestingly enough, they were twice as long unclean for a daughter as for a son).”
No. It varied greatly by culture, with some peoples having strict separation procedures, and others, little or none. And even the cultures that separated post-partum females completely (the hut) rarely excused them from work/duties. Which was the point of my comment. Females returned to work promptly, separation or no.
The Hebrew tribes had their customs, the Greeks had another, the Trobriand Islanders and native American language-groups, still other customs. Varied widely in Biblical times.
As for discussion of the link between lack of breast milk and autism, hadn’t heard that one before. It’s certainly possible as a contributing factor, given that severe autism (lack of speech, fine motor interference, perseverating gestures, so on) often doesn’t manifest until age two or three. In the Fifties, when I was a kid, formula was pushed unrelentingly to American Konsumers, and indeed it wreaked great damage upon the immune systems of those generations. A second ‘benefit’ was the physical separation of mothers from babies, i.e., no breastfeeding and no wetnursing.
What is established beyond doubt is that the over-riding element in likelihood of both autism and Downs is advanced age of mother at conception/birth. Far and away the largest contributing factor in severe autism. Of course you will rarely hear about that, and instead hear endless gobbledygook about vaccines, dyes, laundry detergent . . . ANYTHING but the actual cause. Which remains unaddressed for reasons this site can surmise.
The fact that hundreds of thousands of innocent children must pay a lifelong price in order to advance Female Empowerment has no more impact on the matriarchies of the West than does 50 million abortions, in America alone. To speak the truth, or to attempt to defend these children, is offensive and, increasingly, will have criminal repercussions — just as with all dissent from feminism or female demands.
Cheers.