Feminism + Chivalry = Modern Conservative

David Marcus has a new post up at The Federalist demonstrating that modern conservativism is feminism with a chivalrous cherry on top.  From We Must Still Keep Teaching Our Boys They Must Never Hit Girls (emphasis mine):

Several years ago while at a barbecue, an old friend who is a liberal feminist and I were watching my 4-year-old son play with her 4-year-old daughter. Eventually there was some dispute over a water gun that led to shoving. Almost simultaneously my friend cried out “No shrinking violets” to her daughter as I yelled “We don’t hit girls” to my son.

It was an interesting moment, because I realized that my friend was absolutely right to teach her daughter not to back down from confrontations with boys. But I also knew that I was right to tell my son not to push or hit girls. These two ideas are both correct, but feel in some sense at odds with each other.

A few years later, after a girl hit his son, Marcus was forced to revisit the importance of chivalry while again reiterating his commitment to feminism:

But at the same time as establishing this important difference between the sexes, it’s necessary to make it understood in the context of a broader equality. Not hitting girls is not transactional. Boys and men don’t get something in return from women for obeying this rule.

H/T Darwinian Arminian

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127 Responses to Feminism + Chivalry = Modern Conservative

  1. American says:

    “Feminism + Chivalry = Modern Conservative”

    ^ Cosigned!

  2. This is an important indicator of the conflicting instructions we teach girl and boys, that leads to very confused adults — many of whom eventually decide they were taught garbage and find their own way (one definition of a revolution) — which is what I hear from many young men (including my sons about my own teachings about women).

    As usual, Holywood puts these social tensions up on the big screen so that we can more clearly see ourselves. Such as the increased frequency of women hitting men in films and TV shows. Often hitting their boyfriends. Usually for trivial reasons, or just for fun. The men, of course, cower before these displays of grrl-power. I find these scenes revolting, but their frequency shows that there is an eager audience for them.

    See some examples here: https://fabiusmaximus.com/2016/06/01/women-hitting-men-97239/

    As always, there is a counter-revolution. As usual for men pushing back against feminism, it is from men of color, men in/from the military, or men from foreign lands. In this case, see the many YouTube videos of men hitting women (usually men of color). Worth pondering what these mean (there is always a cultural message in these).

  3. The Question says:

    “Not hitting girls is not transactional. Boys and men don’t get something in return from women for obeying this rule.”

    This man is grooming his son to be a future victim of domestic violence. Whether that is his explicit intent or not, is irrelevant.

  4. squid_hunt says:

    This is why I stopped reading The Federalist.

    I teach my boys not to hit girls, but I teach my girls to be submissive and focus on the home. I also teach my boys not to take up with contentious women.

  5. Anon says:

    It is the duty of every real man to transfer the costs of feminism onto cuckservatives and manginas. They are practically begging for it, so who are we to withhold the treatment they crave.

    Remember that it was cuckservatives who did the heavy-lifting on the most family-destroying laws. Insane bluehaired feminists are not focused enough to do this themselves, and have too little interaction with real families to know how to devise the exact weapon for maximum damage.

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  7. Anon says:

    If the primary goal of a cuckservative is to merely cede ground to the left, and then create a new normal around that ceded ground, then what purpose is there to being a cuckservative (other than the top few who profit from it)? If the primary goal is in fact to be a loser, then what is good about that?

  8. squid_hunt says:

    As usual, Holywood puts these social tensions up on the big screen so that we can more clearly see ourselves. Such as the increased frequency of women hitting men in films and TV shows.

    Perfect example of this is that at the same time Eminem was banned from MTV for talking about killing his wife in a song, Beyonce had a video up of her kicking the crap out of her boyfriend for cheating on her. (Which you might say is deserved, until someone creates a video of them beating the crap out of their girlfriend for cheating on them.)

  9. earl says:

    Yeah girls need to learn to not be that aggressive, rude, or contentious toward men. You never know which one didn’t have a cuckservative for a father and goes nuclear on her.

    Men understand this better about other men…getting into a fight could potentially kill you.

  10. Damn Crackers says:

    Ok, I’ll put this up…why women are assholes.

  11. earl says:

    It is the duty of every real man to transfer the costs of feminism onto cuckservatives and manginas. They are practically begging for it, so who are we to withhold the treatment they crave.

    The real losers of cuckservatives thought is their children. I don’t care if the cuckservatives get the consequences of their dumb actions from it…but they are putting their kids in dangers.

  12. The Question says:

    “These two ideas are both correct, but feel in some sense at odds with each other.”

    Apparently we have uncovered the secret identity of Captain Obvious.

  13. squid_hunt says:

    The real losers of cuckservatives thought is their children. I don’t care if the cuckservatives get the consequences of their dumb actions from it…but they are putting their kids in dangers.

    And the neighbors that have to put up with a griping, hoarse voiced mule yelling at her husband all day every day.

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  15. DJ says:

    “Eventually there was some dispute over a water gun that led to shoving. Almost simultaneously my friend cried out “No shrinking violets” to her daughter as I yelled “We don’t hit girls” to my son.”

    Interesting. The feminist seems to be encouraging her daughter to use physical violence to get her way while the author is trying to prevent it.

  16. Nathan Bruno says:

    Why are these right proper Churchians at the Federalist OK with hitting boys?

    Oh, right, they don’t view them as fully human, otherwise they would say – don’t hit people.

  17. The Question is an easy winner for Best of Thread!

  18. squid_hunt says:

    Why are these right proper Churchians at the Federalist OK with hitting boys?

    My theory is that most conservatives only want to conserve their own childhood memories. So men are supposed to still be upright and strong and protect them while they do whatever they want. They look around at the world that philosophy created and see no connection between girls do whatever they want and chaos in the culture as well as resentment from the men.

  19. David B says:

    NEVER hitting girls, even in self-defence, sets up moral hazard. If a woman can sense that you will never hit her, there is nothing to stop her from escalating her provocations until it’s well past the point where you would have clocked the person if it was a guy. If a woman is intoxicated and out of control, especially if she has an underlying personality disorder, she can become extremely violent. Obviously this is last-resort behavior because the law might rule against just because you are a “big strong man” and she “a fragile weak victim.”

  20. The Question says:

    @squid_hunt

    “My theory is that most conservatives only want to conserve their own childhood memories.”

    I think it has to do with the fact that people in the West and the USA in particular are forced to associate with people that under normal, natural circumstances wouldn’t live in the same country. One side escalates, and the other side concedes in order to avert open conflict.

    The fact is that if “conservatives” showed any backbone there would have been a national confrontation years ago. Instead, they have given up ground beyond all sanity.

    If anything, conservatism exists to ensure a relatively peaceful response to the perpetual revolution carried out by leftists via the state. As a movement, conservatism exists to pacify anyone who might resist – such as their own sons when assaulted by girls who have been taught by feminists to hate males.

    Consider that the writer “admits” that the feminist was just as right to tell her daughter to be violent as he was to tell his son to be submissive. Fundamentally, how is he any different? (rhetorical; he’s not).

  21. squid_hunt says:

    @The Question

    I agree completely regarding political conservatism, it’s just there to provide a place for the cultural losers to identify themselves for public mocking. I think there is value in maintaining your principles even when it’s not convenient and I don’t think your principles should be reactionary to others views, which is where I think most conservatism fails. Not hitting girls is pretty fundamental to what makes a man worth keeping around in my opinion, but so is a chaste and meek woman. The principles never changed.

  22. Darwinian Arminian says:

    David Marcus has a new post up at The Federalist demonstrating that modern conservativism is feminism with a chivalrous cherry on top.

    What a brilliantly apt description! My only objection to it is that I have to imagine that somewhere in America there’s a modern megachurch pastor who will see it and nod with approval before he embraces it as a new creed for the way things should be when men and women interact. It won’t be too long before we start hearing sermons on Genesis 2 in which the preachers tell us that God created Eve after he had first created the land, the animals, and Adam himself in order to reveal an important truth: That the earth and everything in it was created to be a gift for the woman, ready and waiting to serve her from the moment she first existed.

    If the church already went for the story about how Adam sinned first by not being “responsible” for his wife and chasing the serpent away then they’ll go for this too.

    BTW, thanks for the hat tip.

  23. SnapperTrx says:

    “…and since my father taught me to NEVER hit a girl, I just let her keep on stabbing me, secure in the fact that I was a gentleman.”

  24. Will S. says:

    Reblogged this on Patriactionary and commented:
    The sad thing is, this rot has even infiltrated Christian elementary schools; back in 2009, I learned that children were being taught in my local denominational school that it was okay for girls to hit boys, but not for boys to hit girls. I told the young children who were telling me this that nobody should be hitting anyone, and that their teachers were wrong.

  25. Kevin says:

    Is the correct response from the father, “Kick her a$$!”

    After “No shrinking violets”? Yes it is.

    But they were 4. The girl will learn some dumb lessons at 4 since boys and girls not that much different. Lots of girls can handle boys just fine until puberty than girls will pass boys. Then of course boys hit puberty and its over.

    But a life of telling girls to stand up for herself against boys and boys being told shy away? Sure the boys will decide they are in the wrong.

    So Dads, better teach your boys to fight girls for all they are worth because in the sexual market place, the work market place, the political market place its apparently war and no reason to let the girls fight with both hands while boys shrink away.

  26. Carnivore says:

    That Slaps video is a riot. I suppose it’s in the middle of Bogart’s “I never saw a dame yet that didn’t understand a good slap in the mouth or a slug from a .45.”

  27. Anonymous Reader says:

    The comments on the article are fairly typical but it was interesting to see pushback on the “ok for girls to hit boys” line. I didn’t know what the Federalist is, this is what passes for conservato-libertariainism. It’s not as bad as National Review has gotten. That’s not saying much, of course.

    There’s something almost theatrical about some of the “conservative” online presence now. Maybe it’s just me, but sometimes it’s more like some WWE pre-match speechifying than any real thought or analysis.

  28. earl says:

    A gentlemen always lets a lady stab him.

  29. American says:

    Personally speaking, as a rule, I’m putting my steel toed boot to what is attacking me; man, woman, animal, or inanimate object in order to get it to stop attacking me. Will escalate from there as necessary. I keep my hands to myself and expect others to do likewise. Say whatever you want to me, call me names, etc… but don’t physically attack me or I WILL defend myself, sans-chivalry, as is my natural human right to do. Real life isn’t a feminist movie. Wonder woman isn’t real. Keep your hands to yourself.

  30. Swanny River says:

    The WWE comparison works for me. If pastors were concerned with leading and maturity, they would lance this boil instead of letting their flocks be silently di ided, and superficial and saltlesz as a result. I suppose some may read Dalrock and claim us as evidence that tbey are making a brave fight, but let’s call it out for the empty pap that it is.

  31. Yggdrasil says:

    The reason men should not hit women is not because women never deserve it, but because ours is a female-centric culture. Men who hit women, no matter what the circumstances or how justified the blow might be, risk arrest and jail time with consequences for all manner of things, from reputation to employment opportunities to child custody.

    See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFAd4YdQks

  32. Josh says:

    This guy’s son will grow up to either be a simp or a diehard mgtow.

  33. Jew613 says:

    The Grace & Steele podcast had an interview with James Langford, while its mostly about Baltimore they do go into the fate of boys raised by single mother’s there and the extreme violence they inflict on their sons. It seems to be semi-on topic seeing as these children have to way to defend themselves from their violent mothers. https://soundcloud.com/user-762000146/grace-steel-ep-84

  34. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Monty Python, on hitting girls:

  35. PokeSalad says:

    These two ideas are both correct, but feel in some sense at odds with each other.

    As Instapundit often says, “You want more Trump? Cuz this is how you get more Trump.”

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  37. cynthia says:

    The two ideas are both correct? Hardly. Teaching your daughter that the best reaction to a man hitting her is to hit back isn’t just wrong-headed, it’s potentially suicidal. A man who is out to hurt you is going to hurt you very badly, even if he is shorter and weighs less. Your best option as a woman is to get away from the situation, not engage with it.

    Even better is getting him to stop without having to lift a finger in violence, being able to shame him into stopping. I always think of that Confederate wife in Savannah who kicked General Sherman out of her house with minimal effort. Women used to have this down to a fine art, and it was aided by social rules that honored this. Today, women have of course discarded this very sensible rule (that protected us) in favor of same hare-brained concept of equality.

    I’ve been choked by a guy who actually wanted to hurt me. Scariest experience of my life. It’s weird that feminists who hate men so much also don’t understand their capacity to cause physical damage.

  38. Gunner Q says:

    Yggdrasil @ 6:00 pm:
    “The reason men should not hit women is not because women never deserve it, but because ours is a female-centric culture. Men who hit women, no matter what the circumstances or how justified the blow might be, risk arrest and jail time with consequences for all manner of things, from reputation to employment opportunities to child custody.”

    Incorrect. You always hit back when they’re attacking you, always. If Barbie presses charges afterwards, that’s on her, but if you choose to never defend yourself then she will never have to bother.

    This is an important lesson the Manosphere has learned over the years. You always call their bluff, always defend yourself, always make their aggression unrewarding and difficult, always stand your ground, always scorch the earth. No more appeasement or apology. Hit them back and even if you end up in jail, you’ll respect yourself in the morning.

    Self-respect is something you don’t notice until it’s gone, like oxygen. And like oxygen, once it’s gone you’d do anything to get it back. They can take your job, your money and your freedom, but they can’t take your self-respect… and that’s what they really want. They want you as broken and miserable as they themselves are.

  39. Check the comments. Seems like there’s a lot of pushback against the article author.

  40. bdash 77 says:

    the son will end up being the perfect husband Christians want
    not afraid of career women happy to marry them and look after their kids and house while she travels around the world using her God given talents that her mothers were prevented form doing so.

    I actually now am starting to believe that all these conservatives have come together and decided to establish a feminist society – hence all their teaching and silly training
    they want more women like this
    https://www.rebeccamclaughlin.org/
    who teach on the Gospel Coalition and around the world and has an excellent husband caring for her and supporting her as a genuine servant leader.

    it also explains why they are so pro illegal immigrant they want men out of jobs so they are weaker…

    sad…

  41. freebird says:

    These strong empowered women are only strong and empowered through the use of proxy violence by The Police State Thugs in Blue.
    You wanna fight, yeah you and WHAT ARMY?

    First overthrow the unlawful Unconstitutional Police State then get your bitch hand ready for correction.

    These same pigs that refuse to arrest illegal aliens, and are above The Law in any manner,have no compunction about shooting YOU DEAD for being in their field call list.
    It’s time to fight back.
    Or just accept your genocide like the spineless sheeple you know you are.

  42. Lost Patrol says:

    bdash

    Literally the last sentence of her long and distinguished bio is that she has two daughters and a husband (his photo is included), no mention of a dog. We will never right the ship with such men.

  43. Dota says:

    What in the world is a conservative doing hanging around a feminist? And it also appears that she is within his friend circle.

    This retard doesn’t understand that 20 years down the road if his son gets assaulted by a woman, his “liberal feminist” friend will gleefully call for his son’s arrest while exonerating a woman she doesn’t even know personally.

  44. DrTorch says:

    Luke 12:36 and you yourselves be like men who wait for their master, when he will return from the wedding, that when he comes and knocks they may open to him immediately. 37 Blessed are those servants whom the master, when he comes, will find watching. Assuredly, I say to you that he will gird himself and have them sit down to eat, and will come and serve them. 38 And if he should come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.

    39 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and would not allowed his house to be broken into.

    I can’t help but think that the 20th C Church is one that was very much looking for the Son to return, but paid no attention to the thief who plundered the house using psychology, feminism, chivalry, liberation theology, etc.

  45. patriarchal landmine says:

    I’ve never trusted tradcucks, and I never will. I can never forgive them for the death of men’s rights.

  46. jondough says:

    To Arminian Darwinian…re: “…the earth and everything in it was created to be a gift for the woman, ready and waiting to serve her from the moment she first existed.”

    Witness the origins of “fashionably late”…

  47. Anon says:

    What in the world is a conservative doing hanging around a feminist? And it also appears that she is within his friend circle.

    Why is this a surprise? They are almost the same thing.

  48. bdash 77 says:

    @ anon
    that shocked me
    what kind of conservative man hands out with a feminist woman and her kids….?

  49. infowarrior1 says:

    ”It’s weird that feminists who hate men so much also don’t understand their capacity to cause physical damage.”

    Of course they don’t lack of consequences for their actions.

  50. infowarrior1 says:

    @bdash 77
    ”praising her husband for his domesticity while she works, sells her books and interview people”
    Woman is the Husband and the Man is the Wife.

    Woman represents Christ and Man represents the Church.

  51. infowarrior1 says:

    @cynthia
    Lack of consequences and accountability leads to arrogance.

  52. earl says:

    Woman represents Christ and Man represents the Church.

    I get what you are saying…but that still makes me laugh.

  53. bdash 77 says:

    @infowarrior
    yet these men are praised for being Godly
    I was called an unbeliever lacking a servant heart for pointing out their error

  54. The Question says:

    If I’ve learned anything in life, it’s that it’s not only easier to be feared than loved, but it’s more effective in curbing bad behavior that friends, family, and strangers might indulge in toward you. Just as the word “dread” is often conflated to more more than what it is, “fear” is equated to more than what the actual word means.

    Everyone and anyone should be afraid to do you wrong; they should be afraid to commit evil against you. They should be afraid to hurt you. They should be afraid of cheating, backstabbing, deceiving, or swindling you. It doesn’t matter what you might actually do if you; they should fear the possibilities their imagination creates for them.

    It reminds me of a story I once read of a Southerner whose neighbor threatened to shoot his dog over some trivial dispute. The man replied, “You do that; and if nothing bad happens to you, you’ll know you did the right thing.”

    Obviously nothing happened to the dog.

    The last thing you want to do is reassure people that any apprehensions about harming you are unfounded, but that is exactly what modern churchianity seeks to do.

    In so many words, it teaches men that is it a fundamental component of being a godly man to make it explicitly known to the world that no matter what, you will let anyone and everyone walk over you, abuse you, and disrespect you without any fear of consequences or repercussions. And it starts with fathers telling their sons that under no circumstances should they hit a girl (unless of course they join the police force or the military; then somehow being a government agent makes it acceptable to commit acts of violence against women regardless of their guilt or innocence).

    Is it anyone wonder that church is the last place to expect a young man to be on a Sunday?

  55. Boxer says:

    Dear Anon:

    Why is this a surprise? They are almost the same thing.

    That’s exactly right. The only difference between this loathsome mormon traitor and “Big Red,” the bombastic radfem, is the Mormon’s ability to strategize effectively.

    https://www.crapo.senate.gov/media/newsreleases/crapo-leahy-hail-senate-passage-of-bipartisan-vawa-reauthorization

    We should not forget that most democrats, even Barack Obama, expressed concerns with VAWA. If it weren’t for the tireless work of this cretin, we wouldn’t have been saddled with it today. Thanks to him, thousands of children continue to be ripped away from the only men who can consistently look after them.

    Thanks, CONservative Republicans, you bunch of faggots.

    Boxer

  56. bdash 77 says:

    @the question
    yet there are numerous churches with young men working to marry feminist wives and mastering domesticity to be excellent servants

    My Pastor literally told me if you truly loved your wife you would cook clean and care for the home and support her talents.

    Lots of men going to these churches and getting married
    View story at Medium.com

    turns out the lady that keeps posting about what a domestic goddess her husband is, is also a slut

  57. feeriker says:

    Cynthia says:

    The two ideas are both correct? Hardly. Teaching your daughter that the best reaction to a man hitting her is to hit back isn’t just wrong-headed, it’s potentially suicidal. A man who is out to hurt you is going to hurt you very badly, even if he is shorter and weighs less. Your best option as a woman is to get away from the situation, not engage with it.

    You took the words right off of my fingertips, but expressed them much more politely than I was going to, my version being “as a boy, you should never hit a girl because odds are very good that you’ll fucking cripple, or even kill her without even meaning to.”

  58. bdash 77 says:

    meh still think men should retaliate

  59. American says:

    The government will allow her to use you like a rancher does a steer, for the economic benefit. This will be after she’s divorced you to have sex with one or more other people (taking your progeny from you in the process).

    If you’re married, legally you are her indentured servant and the government is her collection agency when she decides it’s not “until death do you part” because the person she’s leaving you to shack up with “just happened.”

    The jail (and criminal record) awaits if you can’t come up with money they decide you will come up with when ordered to do so. The truth is, that as she destroys the relationship and blames it on you that she’ll be calling the police to incarcerate you on false allegations long before the sheriff shows up to imprison you for being laid off. Enjoy and DO remember you volunteered for that when you chose to place yourself under that entire body of law. I didn’t but you did.

    And this IS the impaired mentality of females which so many of you have sold your lives down the river for: http://metro.co.uk/2018/02/13/woman-climbs-x-ray-machine-didnt-want-leave-bag-7308729/

  60. Anon says:

    Boxer,

    We should not forget that most democrats, even Barack Obama, expressed concerns with VAWA. If it weren’t for the tireless work of this cretin, we wouldn’t have been saddled with it today. Thanks to him, thousands of children continue to be ripped away from the only men who can consistently look after them.

    100% correct. It is cuckservatives, not bluehaired hags, that created the most family-destroying laws. Bluehairs are not focused enough, and have too little interaction with real families to devise legal instruments of such precision.

    This is also why Sweden, despite a reputation for extreme feminism, actually has divorce and custody laws much fairer than the US (joint custody is assumed, so little to no CS, and certainly no imputation + prison). Frankly, this is what I would expect a gender-fluid leftist to come up with, which ironically does not lead to a maniacal, laser-focus on misandry.

    It takes a US cuckservative to truly destroy the family…….

  61. westray says:

    David Marcus never once addresses female behavior in his article. They are simply allowed to do as they wish and males must alter themselves accordingly. Even when under attack, males must learn to master the reactions and behavior that best fit female interests.

  62. Isa says:

    No shrinking violets? The fuck? Who promotes violence to their kids?? Guy should stay as FAR away as possible from that woman, big and little murderesses in the making.

  63. bdash 77 says:

    https://jamieivey.com/happy-hour-70-aaron-ivey
    He openly admits that his natural thoughts wanting his wife to not work and care for the home is SINFUL
    see this “do not hit the girl”.flows through everything
    men are to just submit to their wives

    he even said he finds it hard to focus on his work because his wife works but he needs to squash that as it is selfish.
    every thought a man has is sinful…

    men want this, men want to submit to women, men want feminism

  64. Anonymous Reader says:

    Dota
    What in the world is a conservative doing hanging around a feminist?

    Not much choice in the modern world. Maybe you meant to ask what a conservative is doing around a radical feminist?

    And it also appears that she is within his friend circle.

    So he puts friends above principle. Not unusual. Especially for conservatives.

    Isa
    No shrinking violets? The fuck? Who promotes violence to their kids??

    Strong, independent women who need a man like a fish needs a bicycle, as far as I can tell.

  65. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Jamie Ivey’s Instagram page drips with narcissism and self-celebration: https://www.instagram.com/jamieivey/

    And judging by some of her photos, her husband should probably be cooking smaller portions.

  66. infowarrior1 says:

    @bdash 77
    ”yet these men are praised for being Godly
    I was called an unbeliever lacking a servant heart for pointing out their error”

    God will have the final say. Continue to speak the truth.

  67. Spike says:

    Whatever happened to, “No fighting and share” or something like that?
    Children haven’t changed. Mothers have.

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  69. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Black women seek “safe space” away from white people:

  70. bdash 77 says:

    @REDpilllatecomer
    why would a man do that though
    why would a Godly man apologize to his wife for wanting her to support him and care for the home and kids so he can minister to his church?
    Why does he see that as selfish?

    Since when was a man expecting his wife to cook, care for the home and kids a sin?!!!
    it seems so universal
    almost all Christian men think this way
    it makes me wonder if my thinking /our thinking is actually wrong

  71. bdash 77 says:

    another thought
    why do these Christians hate gay marriage?
    most of their marriages in function are gender neutral /gay anyway
    they anyway ignore so many bible verses.
    there is no real need for a male or female in the relationship
    anything male is sinful

    but they project so much Christianity and believe in the Gospel

  72. I notice Hispanics are happy to hit girls. Blacks, Muslims, all of them beat girls and women. White men, they are never to hit a woman. White girls can hit, but THEY know not to hit Black men, Hispanics and Muslim men. Girls are huge now, they can do damage. And so if hit, boys better hit back. If they’re equal enough to take a swing, they’re equal enough and empowered enough to take their medicine and so, knock the bitch OUT! Leroy, Pedro and Assad certainly would.

  73. bdash 77 says:

    men of other cultures do now KOWTOW to women as easily as White men.

    people can rage as much as the want- men are bringing this upon themselves
    most of the nut jobs Dalrock identifies are men
    they enable it, they created this situation and they call it Godly.

  74. Paul says:

    Interesting is that these videos of men hitting back women who hit them are 1. massively viewed, and 2. semi-censored by YouTube; you need to first identify yourself before you can view them due to “community guidelines” (a.k.a. neomarxist censorship)

  75. Paul says:

    There were some OT laws that punished wives harshly if they grabbed a man at his privates during a fight. “Show her no pity”. Completely different mindset from “never hit (back) a girl”.

    Deut 25:11
    If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

  76. bdash 77 says:

    Woah
    I just found a Christian complementarian womens network that encourages young women in their careers….
    http://www.polishedonline.org/

    a total opposite of Titus 2:5

    no wonder these preachers are asking men to submit to women, they need to find husbands for all these girls

  77. bdash 77 says:

    and this is the women teaching all the men and women trained at Dallas Seminary that gender is irrelevant
    http://blogs.bible.org/engage/sandra_glahn/staying_home_with_kids_vs._second_income

    she actually believes agrarian societies were egalitarian and women did not have different roles…

  78. UK Fred says:

    A friend of mine was married to a violent and controlling wife. His job meant that he could not afford to be charged, let alone convicted of any sort of violent behaviour. Rather than retaliate, when she attacked him, he reported the matter to the local police who simply laughed at him, until he was glassed by his wife and had to be treated at the local Accident and Emergency department, where the medical practitioner made a report to the polie that this was a non-accidental injury inflicted on him by another. The policeman investigating asked if this person had attacked him before and when he said yes, and he had reported it to the police, could find no trace of reports. Slightl;y higher and this could have taken his eye out, and slightly lower and it could have severed a major blood vessel. Was she skillful with her aim or was he just lucky? It does not really matter because the corollary of a police crackdown on domestic violence is that the truth needs to be put out loud and clear, despite the protestations of the feminists: domestic violence is gender symmetrical.

  79. bdash 77 says:

    @UK fred
    no one will believe men
    not for another 50 years at least.

    Women are quite happy to abuse men

    the good thing is God ultimately wins so these women will pay the price one day

  80. feeriker says:

    Black women seek “safe space” away from white people:

    Nowhere near as earnestly as white people –especially white men— are looking to get away from them.

  81. feeriker says:

    a total opposite of Titus 2:5

    Of course. Pretty soon they’re just going to toss the Bible aside altogether. It’s not as if anyone studies, or even reads it anyway…

  82. bdash 77 says:

    yeah… the founder of polished ( christian career women group – encouraging them to find husbands who will be house dads) has a husband
    constantly championing femininsm, equal pay on social media

    obviously some men love this role reversal

    yet they claim to be saved by the same God

  83. Lost Patrol says:

    bdash

    no wonder these preachers are asking men to submit to women, they need to find husbands for all these girls

    You’ve found the advertising poster for this OP with that polished link. Two women with masters degrees from Dallas Theological Seminary start a faith based confab network for young professional women. The founding women are graduates of Texas A&M University, the chapters are all located in Texas. Those facts are significant.

    Texas is supposed to be one our last bastions. Texans are the type that don’t really go for feminism, unless you 1. Don’t call it that, 2. Put it in a nice dress, and 3. Still get to call it ma’am.

    The polished chapters are in the large cities of course, which always fall first like dominoes in the culture battles, even in Texas. But if we lose all of Texas to “Feminism + Chivalry = Modern Conservative”, the war might be over.

  84. Otto says:

    Don’t hit girls, becomes…
    Don’t make girls cry, becomes…
    Don’t make girls feel bad, becomes…
    Don’t criticize girls, becomes…
    Don’t stand up to girls, becomes…
    Accept whatever girls decide.

  85. bdash 77 says:

    yeah, the new breed of preachers in texas all have sermons telling men to submit to women.
    They all have wives boasting how domesticated their husbands are….

    of course they will be weak
    these men think their desire to work and provide is a sin if it means the wife has to support him…

  86. earl says:

    another thought
    why do these Christians hate gay marriage?
    most of their marriages in function are gender neutral /gay anyway
    they anyway ignore so many bible verses.
    there is no real need for a male or female in the relationship
    anything male is sinful

    I don’t think most Christians hate gay marriage. At least the Christians who support feminism more than actual Christianity. The reasons you pointed out is why a lot of Churchians are supportive of gay marriage.

  87. earl says:

    For me it’s always one man and one woman because that’s how God set it up and Christ and the church is the model of marriage. But if these feminist loving churchians don’t even follow how God set up the roles in marriage…I don’t know why they would follow what God set up marriage to be.

  88. Q.W. Erty says:

    Almost simultaneously my friend cried out “No shrinking violets” to her daughter as I yelled “We don’t hit girls” to my son.

    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2011/08/25/women-today-assume-they-can-have-marriage-merely-for-the-taking/#comment-12964

    The problem can be complicated; many women, when they tell men to “be nice” don’t know that that’s ALL they might do. Learning confidence is no longer automatic for men, because being told to succeed and excell in competitiveness is not always automatic for men, since we’ve now got boys medicated and often repressed as young as their elementary school years. And God forbid they exclude girls in their play (anyone catch the sequel to “The Sandlot”? Ugh). Back when the older generation of women were growing up, boys were raised to be strong, assertive, dominant, so the “be nice” was an addition to this, a reminder to treat ladies nicely while you’re out conquering the world. Now, young men often aren’t taught to conquer the world anymore, so “be nice” is just one more limp limb to add to an already slumped body, which has been told from elementary school to college to calm down, sit still, let girls go ahead, consider them equal and pedestalize them at the same time. Such a formula makes a defeated man.

    Plus, lots of women today just don’t trust men. When they say “be nice”, they’re assuming men will NOT be nice on their own, because that’s what feminism teaches them to think: men are bad, they grow up mean and will HURT you if you don’t tread on them.

    https://kakistocracyblog.wordpress.com/2016/11/21/they-are-acting-normal/

    It is completely predictable that the only societies to feature militant feminism are those already most indulgent to females. There is no action on earth that generates more furious demands than offering lavish concessions.

    All societies develop mostly unwritten social compacts to manage interactions between the sexes and competition for mates. In the West, men have agreed to jostle for sexual access by winning women’s favor rather than by strength of physical hair dragging. Those who violate these rules by seeking carnal relief sans female consent are harshly punished by other men–not by sneering butch feminists, to point out the obvious.

    And while this state of affairs may be plain to the bigots and misogynists who used to simply be called heterosexual white men, it is vastly more opaque to the liberal women aligned against them. Because to these daffodils, sexual compacts are only those little mirrors used to check their appearance before applying a prophylactic. Their environment of secure libertinism is simply assumed to be a global constant, like pi I suppose. Therefore men are as interchangeable as locales.

  89. DrTorch says:

    Otto wrote
    Don’t hit girls, becomes…
    Don’t make girls cry, becomes…
    Don’t make girls feel bad, becomes…
    Don’t criticize girls, becomes…
    Don’t stand up to girls, becomes…
    Accept whatever girls decide.

    Excellent analysis. Today everything a woman dislikes is “violence” or “abuse,” and this is preached from the pulpit. You show how we got there, and how boys are conditioned to follow that path. Even as it destroys civilization.

  90. Minesweeper says:

    @DrTorch, yes and nothing she ever does is anything at all bad. ALso apparently you can slice open your male partners sack, its not abuse or domestic violence as women are incapable of that.

    “She was handed a four month prison sentence, suspended for 12 months, by magistrates in Weymouth.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5388843/Fianc-e-sliced-open-partners-scrotum-avoids-jail.html?mrn_rm=als1

    obviously those who think we live in a female primacy as clearly deluded. /snark

  91. Minesweeper says:

    oh and happy valentines day to all the men who have had their scrotum slashed by their innocent loving female partner!

  92. DR Smith says:

    @ Minesweeper – I must be living the charmed life. I got a quickie from my wife this morning for Valentines’ Day.

    On a more serious note. I’ve told my daughter since 4 years old not to hit anyone, boy or girl, and not to retaliate if they hit first or push you down…you are to give them one change to apologize. However, if they come after her again, she is given carte blanche to do whatever it takes to get them to stop…and if I had a boy, the same rules would apply. In fact, after some tough lessons in my 20’s, I told my now wife before getting married she can yell at me all she wants, but if she ever strikes me in anger she will learn the hard way it was a bad idea.

  93. Minesweeper says:

    @DRSmith, well statistically someone has to, glad your the man for the job 😀

    Good advice as ive ever had is if you ever need to hit a woman (in defence), make sure no one else is around.

  94. Opus says:

    Clips from the now fifty year old Monty Python frequently turn up on this blog and I am always impressed by the prescience of The Pythons. What once seemed surreal now appears reality. Reigate, by the way, is not (as the Pythons would have known) in The County of Kent but next door in Surrey – that is to say in what is commonly known as Stockbroker Belt.

  95. Anonymous Reader says:

    A professor at NYU looked out of his window and was shocked to find that people don’t marry as much as they did back in the 20th century. He has a paper on the topic. A version of it is up at the Weekly Standard. Naturally it’s confused and blue pill.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/print/happy-valentines-day.-now-go-get-married./article/2011578

    There’s a list of suggestions that have all been made before, including “make divorce harder”, yeah, right. No mention of Duluth or VAWA or many other things.

    The most revealing part is this paragraph:

    Any return to marriage norms, however, must take into account the feminist critique. Two generations ago, wives were often subordinate to their husbands or blindly deferred to them. Most advocates of marriage today recognize that the institution can be rebuilt only if it is done so on more egalitarian lines. Husbands and wives must be partners, without either ruling over the other. This does assume, however, that the spouses can work out differences more openly than they often did in the past.

    It’s like reading a treatise from an alcoholic “how to restore health” that mentions in passing the great idea of drinking a quart of vodka every day.

    Who is so stupid as to insist on restoring marriage norms while retaining feminist norms that are part of the ongoing damage?

    Lawrence M. Mead is Professor of Politics and Public Policy at New York University. This article is based on his paper, “Restoring a Marriage Norm” (Center of the American Experiment, January 2018).

    An urban academic completely out of touch with reality, of course.

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  97. rocko says:

    Oddly enough, one thing my mother told me “You should never hit a woman….unless she slaps you. Then slap her back. And do it hard.”

  98. DrTorch says:

    Most advocates of marriage today recognize that the institution can be rebuilt only if it is done so on more egalitarian lines.

    Funny, b/c Dear Abby had a letter from a woman married 50 years (b/c original Dear Abby said it was ok, and her father accepted that). Letter writer explicitly ends her letter saying COMMITTMENT was the key, but modern Abby just has to add that it now requires “mutual respect”.

    Yeah, so “sure, restraint is essential to a sober life, but a quart of vodka is now necessary too.”

  99. DrTorch says:

    On top of the Monty Python skit, I’ll add this

  100. Minesweeper says:

    Strange thing is I always thought feminists were victimised by their own uterus, turns out to be true !
    http://people.com/bodies/lena-dunham-uterus-cervix-removed-endometrosis-pain/

  101. Minesweeper says:

    So she aborted it.This will certainly be a valentines day that I will remember.

  102. Hazelshade says:

    @Anonymous Reader

    “It’s like reading a treatise from an alcoholic ‘how to restore health’ that mentions in passing the great idea of drinking a quart of vodka every day.”

    That’s a brilliant way of putting it. Grandma’s cooking was healthy and nutritious, but it doesn’t go down well with the new vitamins, donchaknow.

  103. Joe says:

    About that post with the picture of the guy cooking… Many of the worlds great chefs are men. That being said, I don’t know those people or what their story is or what he and she do. Never heard of them.
    Gordon Ramsey, at least on TV, pulls no punches and talks like he wants to, and doesn’t appear too worried about offending any of the women with his language and mannerisms. And lets face it, who’s Ramsey’s audience? Women. And the love him.
    I like cooking too. I don’t do it to “serve” my wife. I do it because I like to cook. I like the fire from the gas stove, the sharp knives and the metal and iron of the pans and the food of course. And my wife will very often make my lunch or dinner, ask me exactly how I want it, then bring it to me at the table, then ask if it was to my liking.
    As an aside, she specifically wanted the word “obey” in her her wedding vows to me 30 years ago when we got married. Many others changed it to “love, honor and cherish” She wanted “love, honor and obey”. I’m like “great”!! Another sign that I had a winner. You should have seen the looks on her relatives faces.
    By the way, I ‘m the guy that posted a few day ago how my pastor started his sermon of with “stupid things guys do”. I still hasn’t seen him yet, but probably will this weekend.

  104. Joe says:

    OK, I just now saw this in the commets:
    “https://jamieivey.com/happy-hour-70-aaron-ivey
    He openly admits that his natural thoughts wanting his wife to not work and care for the home is SINFUL”

    How terrible. As a man, I am repulsed by this.

    My wife WANTED to be a stay at home mom. And I wanted her to as well. And that’s what she did. She quit work and we both went and gathered her stuff from her office when she got pregnant. She never went back, and never regretted it. How I loved coming home from work to my kids at my feet and dinner on the table!!!

  105. Cloudbuster says:

    “How to teach your son to be a cuck and your daughter to be a ball-buster.”

  106. SnapperTrx says:

    Funny, I have been watching the “I Love Lucy” series on DVD and one of the running “gags” is Ricky’s Cuban temper. The Mertz’s are always warning Lucy about Ricky possibly slugging her, and even Lucy herself admits that she expects to get punched. They play it off like its the norm.

  107. bdash 77 says:

    men are so weak now- especially in the west

    then they wonder why overseas countries and immigrants are taking over

    no civilization has survived with men not working and women running the show…

  108. rocko says:

    The sad part of that video, Chyna was a pro wrestler, jacked up and all, and some guy with the weird last name that sounds like something out of gay porn kicked her ass.

  109. Anonymous Reader says:

    rocko
    The sad part of that video,

    What’s sad about biology?
    We need to create a short, snappy animation for YouTube with a working title like “Our Friend Testosterone!” that explains a few facts of nature, such as “upper body strength”, “pain threshold” and “brain wiring”.

  110. King Alfred says:

    The topic of this post has been discussed for over a century. From THE UNEXPURGATED CASE
    AGAINST WOMAN SUFFRAGE by SIR ALMROTH E. WRIGHT, 1913: “Let us consider chivalry, first, from the standpoint of the woman suffragist. Her notion of chivalry is that man should accept every disadvantageous offer which may be made to him by woman.” It is sad that conservatives have fully embraced this definition and seek to force all men to do the same.

  111. Darwinian Arminian says:

    @SnapperTrx
    They play it off like its the norm.

    Don’t forget that at around the same time you could tune in The Honeymooners, which also got a laugh line out of decking the wife: “One of these days, Alice — POW! Right in the kisser!”

  112. American says:

    Several years ago, a male neighbor told a female neighbor from down the street that the toys in the yard were his children’s not hers. The right thing for her to do would have been to walk back to her house and follow the procedure in the rule of law to sue him in small claims court or possibly call the police (not 911 as it’s not an emergency) to see if they can mediate the property dispute if she felt that strongly about the issue.

    What she did instead was scream bloody murder at him until he walked into the street to try and calm her down (his mistake) where she put up her “dukes” and screeching began circling him looking to land solid blows on his face. She swung on him and he stepped back and kicked her away then tried to make it back to his property. But she inserted herself between him and his house screeching and inviting him to fight her (remember this is over a few cheap toys on his lawn). His countenance, by this time, told the story. He had enough and was going to punch her in the face really hard.

    So I intervened to save them both. I took out my business card case which has a mirror on the back and shone the sun into his eyes screaming at them both that the police were on their way and whoever was violent was going to prison (just to get their brains operating again and pull them down from the red zone they were in).

    She ran back to her car, got in, and drove down to the police station where she filed a report. The police arrived to follow up and I told them everything that had happened. She was charged with filing a false police report and moved from the neighborhood with all the neighbors against her. Find another way ladies. Not every male is going to take your side because you have female reproductive organs. Some of us are going to go strictly with the facts, like we’re supposed to do both morally and legally.

  113. bdash 77 says:

    just as an example

    he starts of telling his youth leaders to get the young couples to come to church and have the men care for the babies and change diapers to show the true role of a man….

    all the young men are being raised this way

  114. bdash 77 says:

    and he is teaching this and changing the culture in Ukraine ( pretty traditional from what I have heard)
    training men to be homemakers
    and a man taking a break or resting is a sin….

  115. PokeSalad says:

    he starts of telling his youth leaders to get the young couples to come to church and have the men care for the babies and change diapers to show the true role of a man….

    Looking at those two, it looks like the next time they feel a drop of testosterone will be their first. Yeesh.

  116. bdash 77 says:

    haha yeah
    he also said women need to make 90% of the decisions and men need to submit to it ( what house to buy etc)

    apparently that was the consequence of a man being the leader
    he marries so many couples- telling them that his job is to do diapers and submit to her desires…

    What does one do? My church teaches this stuff- do I just stop attending church ( there are no biblical churches in my city)

  117. American says:

    Woman arrested for attempting to tear off her boyfriend’s genitals. The arresting deputy says he heard her say “you’re damn right I was going to rip his nuts off.”

    Article: http://www.wbrc.com/story/37523342/augusta-woman-arrested-for-trying-to-rip-off-boyfriends-genitals

    I wonder if they arrested the male victim merely for being present per the Duluth model.

  118. Anonymous Reader says:

    bdash77
    just as an example

    Those men look like slightly aged marshmallows. Sad to say this is too typical of church leaders.
    Personally, I wouldn’t take advice from either of them on anything, not even where to find a parking place.

    What does one do? My church teaches this stuff-

    Consider finding another church, for a start.

  119. earl says:

    Deputies spoke with the victim, who told them that while he and his girlfriend, forty-seven-year-old Melinda Dillashaw were sitting around the house, he told her to start cleaning the house, which he says was fully covered in animal feces. He says that angered Dillashaw and she started a verbal altercation, which turned physical when she grabbed him by the genitals and attempted to rip them off.

    That seems like a logical solution to the feces problem.

    If she wants to live in that, let her. Best not to get involved.

  120. Gunner Q says:

    bdash 77 @ February 15, 2018 at 9:29 pm:
    “What does one do? My church teaches this stuff- do I just stop attending church ( there are no biblical churches in my city)”

    The Biblical procedure is to tell the leaders as an individual, then tell them as part of a small group, then go loud & public, then be done with them. Last church I attended, I couldn’t round up any guys for step #2. That made giving up and leaving feel right.

    Aren’t any Biblical churches in my area, either. Fortunately, the Biblical requirement is “don’t give up meeting together”, not “you must be a member of an organized church”. The Christian Manosphere isn’t ideal but it qualifies.

  121. Peter says:

    I raised my kids in the old Southern model. Boys were to be gentlemen, and girls ladies. If a girl took a swing at a boy it showed she was not a lady and could be clocked just like a boy. Boys were taught not to start fights, but to win it if they had to fight. Both sexes were taught to stand up for themselves and that family protected family. The old ways are the best.

  122. American says:

    This crooked Hillary voting feminazi is a “construction worker” who lost control of her emotions and began road raging on two males. One of the males said to the other “c’mon, forget it, it’s just a girl” and they left. But she chased them in her car and allegedly pulled a pistol out and murdered one of them while they kept trying to drive away from the pursuing female. Police obtained a warrant charging the woman with murder.

    http://www.lowellsun.com/todaysheadlines/ci_31674904/lowell-woman-held-road-rage-slaying

  123. “These two ideas are both correct, but feel in some sense at odds with each other.”

    Jeeezusss! What a trainwreck! What are people doing to their sons?!

  124. bdash 77 says:

    Why would a man want so submit to a woman?

    so many men in my country ( famous people and Christian friends) are announcing that they will be house husbands to support their wife’s feminist ambitions
    what makes a man want to submit?

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