How to guarantee satisfaction.

This was originally a comment I left at Rollo’s blog back in April of 2012.  Shortly after that, Rollo and I both included it in separate posts.  I’m reposting it today because it describes the guarantee promiscuous women are demanding.

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I think there is another side to the same coin. These women don’t just want to build a better beta, they want to tame the alpha. In fact, I think the former is just another way they are trying to approach the latter. They want to take an inherently unsafe activity and make it safe. They want to submit to a man without having to submit; they want a man who can tame their feral self. They want him to trip their danger signals. Even better if he is a stranger from a strange land.

They want this all to happen without giving up their freedom; they want to play this out in the context of serial monogamy, so they can feel loved while also claiming their promiscuity is moral. They want to lose control to a string of strangers who have all of the hallmarks of very dangerous men, and they want a promise that this will always end well.

They want to know that this will be safe, without it losing the excitement of it feeling unsafe. They are telling men to build a sort of serial monogamy amusement park where they can ride the roller coaster and experience the fear of falling or crashing, while knowing that just behind the scenes grown ups are actually in charge and are responsible for them safely feeling unsafe.

One more thing. As I mentioned above they don’t want to be hemmed in. So instead of building an actual amusement park, they want roller coasters to spring up randomly in the same exact circumstances where the real danger they mimic would appear. They want to be driving their car on the freeway one instant, and the next experience the fear of careening out of control. They want to impulsively jump off the edge of the Grand Canyon and have a parachute appear and deploy at the last minute. And all they ask is your guarantee that all of this will be safe.

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  2. Life doesn’t come with gaurantees….Duh!

  3. But, but, but
    Wantz!!
    Feelz!!

    Its not fair!!

  4. The Question says:

    Modern Western Civilization could be also described in these terms. Summarized adequately, Westerns all want to have their cake and eat it, too. They want the thrills without the danger, the pleasure without the pain, the wealth without the labor, the payoffs without the risks, the excitement without the perils, the dollar today without earning it, and a happily ever after no matter which path they take in life.

    With both the women and Westerners as a whole, everyone has to pay the Piper someday.

  5. anonymous_ng says:

    @The Question, I figure that long term it will the the Chinese who will again rule because the West will be so busy engaging in the hedonistic pursuit of individual pleasure that the Chinese who have at least a cultural memory of civilization, and still have a stronger group focus over the individual will win out.

    Of course, we’ll be long dead, so it won’t really matter for us.

  6. American says:

    I have calculated the odds of such immoral, deceived, disordered females making suitable wives and mothers for godly men and the result = > 0.01%.

  7. rocko says:

    They will try to tame you alright. They will try to change you and mold you to their tastes. You like listening to Metallica or Iron Maiden and not to Bruno Mars or Beyonce like she does? You’re shit out of luck skippy. You like wearing a regular t shirt and good fitting jeans but she wants you to wear flip flops and cargo shorts and wear pink t shirts? You like taking your fishing rod and go fish in the nearby pond? Or how about going biking in the nearby hills? Or getting together with your friends and play some poker or slam some dominoes? Or take your mother and father out for breakfast? Well, guess what? She wants to go to brunch, or she wants to go shopping, or she wants you to take HER parents out to breakfast, and you pay.

    And she doesn’t have to change for you. To her, the past is like a penis. She likes putting both behind her.

  8. OKRickety says:

    American said: “I have calculated the odds of such immoral, deceived, disordered females making suitable wives and mothers for godly men and the result = > 0.01%.”

    I presume you meant less than 0.01%, that is, “< 0.01%".

  9. In other words, wimminz want fried ice.
    Nothing new to see here…move along.

  10. Splashman says:

    To her, the past is like a penis. She likes putting both behind her.

    Heh.

  11. Cane Caldo says:

    I presume you meant less than 0.01%, that is, “< 0.01%".

  12. Damn Crackers says:

    The question remains – marry up those sluts or retreat to the monastery. The concept of virginal maidenhood has gone, even though that was the number one reason marriage existed at all.

  13. imnobody00 says:

    This was one of the best commemts in the history of the manosphere and I remembered almost verbatim several years later. It shows that women want excitement and security at the same time in a contradictory way.

    This kind of self-destructive behavior convinced me that women are biologically selected for virginity until marriage and parents having veto power when deciding who to marry. They chose the most alpha of the candidates approved by parents. It is the only scenario where this behavior is biologically adaptative.

  14. They want preselection without Alpha “promiscuity” (#metoo).

    Someone peel them a grape.

  15. ACThinker says:

    A Woman want a man who is stronger than her* And then she wishes to ‘tame’ him so that he is not a threat to her. He must however intially be a threat, and only be tamed, not domesticated.
    Also D’ are you sure it is SERIAL monogamy? I’m convinced our current dating scene is parellel monogamy (One partner for you but many for me) and that goes for both men and women.

    * Stronger than her, generally means physical strength, but it also includes better earning potential, intellegence, etc. He must beable to ‘defeat her’ after all if he can’t defeat her, then how will he protect her from other men, women, or wild animals? Hence the whole reason women test men. To be sure her man will always be able to protect her. and when he no longer can one of two things will occur. Either she will have grown to be one with him and help him in is later years, or she will have not and decide it is time to trade up, or atleast jetison the dead weight.

    @anonymous_ng
    China may or may not overtake the west. And it may overtake a different measure. I’ve read from some residents of China that the “look at me” selfie seems as prominent there as it is here in the West. No I fear our lunch will be taken by someone who can’t maintain indoor plumbing, let alone the internet.

  16. Burner Prime says:

    If this is true, that you both reached the understanding of where the feminist end-game takes us, then I can only shake my head as to how 5 fucking years later, Rollo is still hawking higher doses of the red pill to ostensibly ring in a new era of traditional sex roles. “Keep taking that pill gents! Submissive women are just around the corner! Cheerio!” “One more time OVER THE TOP and we’ll take those Jerrys ol’ chap!” The fuck? Nothing is improving, nothing will improve until the massive overabundance of reproductive males to females ratio is resolved. There’s only one way that happens – millions of men dying. There is no other viable solution; the rest is fantasy.
    I wonder if he is just “enjoying the decline” trying to keep men interested and buying his wares, so he can cash out when China attacks and million upon millions of humans perish. As if he knows it’s all futile.

  17. Elisea says:

    “These women don’t just want to build a better beta, they want to tame the alpha.”

    This is the prototypical female story, stemming from the original Beauty and the Beast. There’s a reason why they are so obsessed with vampires, werewolves, BDSM billionaires, and stunningly crazy things like werebears and weredragons. The creature is inherently dark and dangerous, but she tames him with her moral purity and magical sexuality (by which I mean she starts out as a complete virgin having sex with a man who has bedded hundreds of women before her, yet she wows him sexually into being insatiable for her). Not only is it important for him to be an otherworldly creature so as to provide her with the best possible protection (vampires and werewolves are pretty unbeatable), but they are also creatures of darkness- and obviously this applies just as well to BDSM billionaires, criminals, and the like. By being considered morally inferior by the female, which she frequently and openly acknowledges, she then has a lifetime of opportunities to use it against him whenever she wants.

    This is why women are interested in vampires over superheroes. The ideal male must be eligible to go through the female purification system.

    Just take a glance at the “hero” categories for Amazon kindle’s romance section (on the left):
    Alpha Males
    BBW
    Bikers
    Cowboys
    Criminals & Outlaws
    Doctors
    Firefighters
    Highlanders
    Pirates
    Royalty & Aristocrats
    Spies
    Vikings
    Wealthy
    https://www.amazon.com/b/ref=sr_aj?node=158566011&ajr=0

    .

  18. honeycomb says:

    More proof of some animals are more equal than others (re: guaranteed satisfaction outcomes vs opportunities).

  19. Dalrock says:

    @Burner Prime

    If this is true, that you both reached the understanding of where the feminist end-game takes us, then I can only shake my head as to how 5 fucking years later, Rollo is still hawking higher doses of the red pill to ostensibly ring in a new era of traditional sex roles. “Keep taking that pill gents! Submissive women are just around the corner! Cheerio!” “One more time OVER THE TOP and we’ll take those Jerrys ol’ chap!”

    What are you talking about? From his latest book, his advice is (my paraphrase, Rollo might add/correct):

    1) Marriage and fatherhood is dangerous. Here is how/why.
    2) You don’t owe it to anyone to pursue marriage and fatherhood.
    3) If you want to pursue it, here are some ways you can try to mitigate the risks and be most effective as a father.

  20. earl says:

    That’s like me saying I want to jump off a building and not suffer the effects of gravity. It’s not going to happen.

  21. BillyS says:

    Where is the BBW in that section? None of the guys were overweight, nor were the women on the covers of those books.

  22. BillyS says:

    Lots of tats though, on the men.

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  24. The Question says:

    If I were to give advice to young bachelors out there in the Western world like myself, I’d tell them to wait this thing out. Things made not get any better, but we’re past the point where the changes will make a fundamental difference for men. No-fault divorce really was the nail on the coffin. As long as it is the law of the land, our opinion or view or belief about what marriage is or should be, is irrelevant – the state version is the one that will get enforced, whether you believe in it or not and no matter what your wife says prior to marriage. You cannot opt out of the state institution.

    Besides, how many men out there are single at 38 wishing they had married, compared to men who married at 25 wishing they had stayed single? And unlike the married men, the 38-year-old bachelor still has options, especially if he has no baggage.

  25. earl says:

    Besides, how many men out there are single at 38 wishing they had married, compared to men who married at 25 wishing they had stayed single? And unlike the married men, the 38-year-old bachelor still has options, especially if he has no baggage.

    If women were really honest with themselves, they’d realize they need marriage a lot more than men do.

    I’d like to have a helpmate…but if not I can handle most of what I need on my own. A lot of women out there can’t even handle ‘adulting’ when minor inconveniences occur.

  26. Damn Crackers says:

    “These women don’t just want to build a better beta, they want to tame the alpha.”

    The late great Patrice O’Neal summed it up best using a fishing analogy:

  27. DrTorch says:

    I’m pretty sure we got that memo in just the 3 chapter:

    Gen 3:16
    To the woman he said,
    “I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
    with painful labor you will give birth to children.
    Your desire will be for your husband,
    and he will rule over you.”

  28. Elisea says:

    “Where is the BBW in that section? None of the guys were overweight, nor were the women on the covers of those books.”

    Yes I noticed that too. Despite having a ‘big beautiful woman’ female protagonist in the book, the covers still somehow always have a slender woman pictured…

  29. Tarl says:

    This is the prototypical female story, stemming from the original Beauty and the Beast.

    For some reason they never publish the sequel to the romance, in which the Princess has tamed the dangerous beast (Prince, Biker, Cowboy, Criminal, Highlander, Pirate, Spy, Viking) and then a couple of years later she is bored and refuses him anything more than once a month starfish duty sex. Then she cheats on him and decamps with half his wealth.

  30. Elisea says:

    “in which the Princess has tamed the dangerous beast (Prince, Biker, Cowboy, Criminal, Highlander, Pirate, Spy, Viking) and then a couple of years later she is bored and refuses him anything more than once a month starfish duty sex.”

    I think I have seen several reviews from the third and second books in the Fifty Shades of Grey series where people (cough: women) complained that Christian Grey was too soft now and they liked him much better as the controlling, dominating BDSM sadist he was in the first book.

  31. feeriker says:

    A lot of women out there can’t even handle ‘adulting’ when minor inconveniences occur.

    Almost all women have been conditioned, since time immemorial, to believe that agency is optional and that when life overwhelms them, it is a(ny random) man’s obligation to rescue them from themselves. The phrase “the oldest teenager in the house” didn’t originate in a vacum.

  32. Tarl

    Thats why its “happily ever after.”

    Because you can’t write what happens afterwards. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

  33. Spike says:

    I believe the Manosphere phrase is, “Deep fried Ice”.
    One thing to note Dalrock:

    ”They want to submit to a man without having to submit; they want a man who can tame their feral self. They want him to trip their danger signals. Even better if he is a stranger from a strange land”.

    This is one thing women also have some deep obsession with: bedding someone foreign. They seem to love the idea of going to a foreign location and doing the ‘wild thing’ with a complete stranger. Their lunchtime or cafe conversations are about this, about black men they’ve had sex with ”I wanted to see what it was like to…” – which is inherently racist and disgusting in its’ objectification.

    I personally can’t see the reason for this obsession. It doesn’t get them anything or go anywhere, so trading sex for resources is out. Perhaps that’s the reason, like the arty, druggy boyfriend or the tatted up biker. It only seems to be some kind of temporary endorphin fix that they will regret when they come down off it.

    Elisea January 11, 2018 at 1:40 pm: You got it right when it comes to vampires werewolves and BDSM billionaires.The previous generation was raised on Buffy. In the show, the male characters were reformed vampires, whose evil side made them eligible for the ”female purification system TM” (Very funny!). This current generation have those you described, and I will venture that in turn, their teen children will be dreaming about sex with reformed zombies, or perhaps hideous horned demons who transform into beautiful angels due to the power of the vagina…..

  34. MarcusD says:

    The next great heresy is going to be simply an attack on morality; and especially on sexual morality. And it is coming, not from a few Socialists surviving from the Fabian Society, but from the living exultant energy of the rich resolved to enjoy themselves at last, with neither Popery nor Puritanism nor Socialism to hold them back… The roots of the new heresy, God knows, are as deep as nature itself, whose flower is the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eye and the pride of life. I say that the man who cannot see this cannot see the signs of the times; cannot see even the skysigns in the street that are the new sort of signs in heaven. The madness of tomorrow is not in Moscow but much more in Manhattan – but most of what was in Broadway is already in Piccadilly.

    – G. K. Chesterton

  35. anonymous_ng says:

    @MarcusD, do you have a reference to where that quote is from?

  36. American says:

    Ask yourself, if women are so bat-guano crazy that they’ll throw acid all over their own faces and then lie about it to the police; what do you think they’ll tell the police about YOU when they don’t get whatever it is they want?

    Read: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1312802/Bethany-Storro-hoax-Acid-attack-victim-confesses-injuries-self-inflicted.html
    Read: https://popularcrime.com/2018/01/10/staten-island-woman-lied-to-police-about-being-attacked-with-acid/

    Etc….

  37. Dave says:

    @MarcusD, do you have a reference to where that quote is from?

    Here’s a quick Google search:

    http://gkcdaily.blogspot.com/2012/12/the-next-great-heresy.html

  38. MarcusD says:

    @anonymous_ng

    It’s always credited as “G.K.’s Weekly, June 19th, 1926”

  39. MarcusD says:

    Chesterton has plenty more, such as:

    “The obvious effect of frivolous divorce will be frivolous marriage. If people can be separated for no reason they will feel it all the easier to be united for no reason.” (1920, The Superstition of Divorce)

  40. CSI says:

    “The obvious effect of frivolous divorce will be frivolous marriage.”

    I don’t think we are that point. If anything, people seem to be far more cautious about marriage, due in large part to fear of divorce. But if you want to consider “moving in together” as defacto marriages, then I suppose you could consider this as a frivolous marriage.

  41. MarcusD says:

    But if you want to consider “moving in together” as defacto marriages, then I suppose you could consider this as a frivolous marriage.

    In some places, cohabitation is equated to marriage.

  42. JB Harshaw says:

    Why would this surprise anyone?

    Seriously, these women are the (now grown up to adults — in physical age anyway) former “self-esteem” children, who had everything around them made “safe” — remember the safe playgrounds, where everything is padded & rubberized-foam coated? where never a child shall suffer even a skinned knee? the fake “climbing walls” where everyone is roped and has someone (ideally an adult) belaying them to keep them from falling, and where the floor is a big cushioned mat, just in case they land even slightly faster than they ought.

    These are the inevitable result of “rounded corners everywhere” and of “no sharp edges anywhere” — the overprotected, isolated, insulated from all harm, bubble-wrapped children who ALL got trophies and awards just for showing up.

    They have been taught, nay thoroughly indoctrinated into the belief that EVERYTHING both can and SHOULD be made perfectly “safe” for THEM — and moreover than even “thrilling” things, like say dying or killing in a video game… should be of no REAL negative consequence… why, you just press “reset” and start over again; or else if you grow bored, you move on to another game.

    These are CHILDREN… in adult bodies, but with the minds and experiences only of children — and children who have never been out in any “real world” but have forever been kept in a padded, perfectly “safe” & secure little nursery.

    WHEN the finally are (in the future) forced to face a MEAN, NASTY and unsafe, uncaring REAL world — and it is only a matter of time before that DOES happen, adversity cannot be held in abeyance by mommy & daddy (nor Uncle Sam) forever — they will “crumble” and “melt”… special snowflakes that they are.

  43. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    The (now cancelled) Showtime horror series, Penny Dreadful, is filled with interesting feminist themes and psychology. Explicit, but even more so though the Red Pill.

    The heroine, Vanessa Ives, is a good Catholic girl who is simultaneously pursued by Satan, Dracula, and Ethan, the Hound of God (a werewolf). (Also by Dorian Gray, but that’s a side story.)

    Vanessa discovers that she is a natural born and very powerful Witch. And that she — who she loves, by her own free choice — will determine the victor of God’s Apocalypse

    Satan and Dracula are brothers. (Dracula is both vampire and fallen angel.) Only one can overthrow God and rule Eternity at the Apocalypse. Which will defeat God depends on which will win Vanessa’s love.

    Only Ethan, the Hound of God (werewolf) can defeat Satan or Dracula.

    Satan possesses Vanessa, trying to break her down so as to draw her away from the Catholic Church and win her love. But Vanessa is so powerful a witch, she defeats Satan and sends him back to Hell. (See their confrontation below — Satan speaking through the doll.)

    Vanessa loses her faith, partially because her witchcraft defeated Satan, whereas her prayers to God failed. At the end of Season Two, she removes the crucifix from her wall and burns it. (Remember, Vanessa is the heroine).

    Then Dracula woes Vanessa. He’s more successful than Satan. Vanessa accuses Dracula of wanting to rule her. Dracula says he wants to serve her. That after millennia of being alone and miserable, he realizes he loves only her. He begs her to accept him.

    Vanessa offers her neck and says, I accept …. myself. (She accepts that she is evil.)

    Thus, Vanessa “surrender” to Dracula is really a celebration of her own self-powerment (much like the song in Frozen), letting Dracula know that she remains her own person.

    See Dracula’s feminist speech to Vanessa, below:

    Ethan, the Hound of God (werewolf) defeats Dracula. Ethan is a Good/Bad Boy. He’s slaughtered dozens of people, but unlike Satan or Dracula, Ethan feels guilt over his deeds. God cursed him a werewolf so he could win the Apocalypse for God. Ethan broods over this.

    Below is a scene with Hecate and Ethan. Hecate is another witch. She’s so Strong and Empowered that she’s rebelled against both God and Satan. Hecate wants Ethan to defeat Satan and Dracula, but to keep the victory for himself (with Hecate by his side), rather than win for God.

    But Ethan loves Vanessa. Vanessa begs Ethan to kill her, because only thus can the Apocalypse be stopped and the world spared of evil. Ethan tearfully shoots Vanessa.

    Penny Dreadful has many other feminist characters and storylines.

    * Lily (the Bride of Frankenstein), who refuses to bow to the monster, or her maker, or to any man. She has many feminist speeches (see below), and organizes a prostitute’s revolt against men.

    * The lady psychiatrist (who’s treating Vanessa), and who mentions that her ex-husband was a wife beater. And that she was forced to kill him to save herself.

    * This kickass warrior woman. A Lara Croft ripoff. She speaks of having fought in many wars. She saves several men from a horde of vampires.

    Ethan asks, “Who are you?”

    Kickass Warrior Woman replies, “I’m the woman who just saved your life.”

    Penny Dreadful also has several “gay positive” characters.

  44. Opus says:

    The linked story from American certainly rings a bell with me. Woken one morning at about 2.30 am by girlfriend, blood streaming down her face she screaming that a man was trying to kill her. Long short story: although I at the time accepted at face value everything she alleged, time as it so often does brought the matter into focus and I have no doubt (for there is no other conclusion) that the injury even at the risk of causing a scar to her face was entirely self-inflicted. And why? in short, because she needed a Beta provider and I, the mug she had chosen for the position, was not playing ball.

  45. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    I wonder, might Penny Dreadful be the ultimate female fantasy?

    Vanessa is pursued by Satan, Dracula, and the Hound of God (werewolf). Three creatures so powerful that their machinations will determine the outcome of Eternity — even if God is cast down from His throne.

    But the Apocalyptic outcome depends entirely on who Vanessa choosesto love, by her own free will. The fate of Heaven and Hell, of God and Satan, depends entirely on which dark creature gives Vanessa’s vagina the tingles.

    All these powerful, dark creatures plead, beg, or cry before Vanessa, expressing love, offering everything for the honor of serving her vagina.

    On top of which, Vanessa is a Strong, Independent Witch in her own right. Such a powerful witch that she has defeated an entire coven of Satan’s witches. And Vanessa’s witch power is her own — it comes from no man or God.

  46. Luke says:

    MarcusD says:
    January 12, 2018 at 2:27 am
    “Chesterton has plenty more, such as:

    “The obvious effect of frivolous divorce will be frivolous marriage. If people can be separated for no reason they will feel it all the easier to be united for no reason.” (1920, The Superstition of Divorce)”

    This is close to how most U.S. women see it now (excluding that they’re still in many cases after the guy’s money, he just doesn’t know that it’ll be paid out not to a wife for wifely services but to an ex-wife for nothing).

  47. earlthomas786 says:

    Satan and Dracula are brothers. (Dracula is both vampire and fallen angel.) Only one can overthrow God and rule Eternity at the Apocalypse. Which will defeat God depends on which will win Vanessa’s love.

    Boy these atheist writers will replace God with anything. Often it is vagina.

  48. pokesalad says:

    Speaking of “wanting the feeling of danger/tingles without the danger….”

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2018/01/11/the-slaughter-of-the-german-girls/

  49. Trust says:

    Corollary 1: If she gets hurt, she’ll blame Betas (who she refuses to sex with) for failing to make her Alpha carousel ride safe while feeling unsafe.

    Corollary 2: If at any time she realizes that the ride is Beta providing no real or felt risk, it will be an absence of enthusiastic consent. #MeToo

    In true socialist form, the responsibilities and consequences must be places squarely on those who do not benefit from the amusement.

  50. Trust says:

    @earlthomas786 says:
    Boy these atheist writers will replace God with anything. Often it is vagina.
    __________

    Even Christian pastors preach what I call the Tingle Gospel, that women’s vaginas are a thermometer for how godly a man is.

    Pastors who assert that “if your wife isn’t interested you aren’t godly enough” may enjoy the nods from smiling wives in the congregation, but they don’t realize what they are truly saying. They are saying that some of the world’s real and fictional worst characters — prisoners (meet an inmate.com), murderers, tyrants, narcissists, vampires, Christian Gray, any man a woman cheats on her loyal husband with — are more godly than honest men.

    Woe to those that call good evil and evil good.

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  52. earlthomas786 says:

    @Trust…

    True…they’ve exchanged the Savior for a lesser savior.

  53. earlthomas786 says:

    They are saying that some of the world’s real and fictional worst characters — prisoners (meet an inmate.com), murderers, tyrants, narcissists, vampires, Christian Gray, any man a woman cheats on her loyal husband with — are more godly than honest men.

    They do well to invert what Paul said and make this type of claim…’don’t be deceived, fornicators and adulterors will inherit the Kingdom of Heaven’. The Tingles Gospel is very evil at its core.

  54. American says:

    @ Opus, January 12, 2018: Bingo! You win first prize. Please proceed to the winner’s table. Never underestimate the lengths a female will go to procure “gibmedats.”

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