Someday we’ll laugh!

Commenter Ofelas pointed out the absurdity of the main character in Cat Person imagining how much a future boyfriend would enjoy hearing about her having sex with other men:

…she imagined that somewhere, out there in the universe, there was a boy who would think that this moment was just as awful yet hilarious as she did, and that sometime, far in the future, she would tell the boy this story. She’d say, “And then he said, ‘You make my dick so hard,’ ” and the boy would shriek in agony and grab her leg, saying, “Oh, my God, stop, please, no, I can’t take it anymore,” and the two of them would collapse into each other’s arms and laugh and laugh—but of course there was no such future, because no such boy existed, and never would.

Cat Person is fiction, but this is an idea you will often see in real life as well.  For women there is a temptation to see dating not as a mutual evaluation for fitness, but as a sort of reality show where they are paradoxically both the prize (entirely passive) and the judge (in complete control).  If you look for it, you will see this pattern all over.

The blogger at Diary of Why explained back in October of 2013 how she came to write a blog chronicling the men she had sex with in her quest for a husband:

Six (and a half) years ago I was living in Boston. I had recently ended things (been forced to end things) with the person I thought I would be with forever. Heart-broken is a word that is too casually thrown around to describe what I actually was, which was shell-shocked, a walking exposed nerve, and utterly lost. Looking back, I should have gone to therapy, I should have done a lot of things, but instead I started a blog. And I started dating. Then I moved to France, I dated, and I blogged about it. And I moved to Ithaca, I dated, and I blogged about it. Then I moved to DC and, well.

In the back of my mind, I always hoped that if one day I did decide to stop blogging, that I would go out with a triumphant, look-at-me-now-world post. I hoped that I would be able to (only sort of gloatingly) say that it had all been worth it, because I had finally gotten everything I had ever wanted. But I guess that’s not really the way life works, is it?

Note that each stop on the carousel is seen as part of an extended courtship, leading ultimately to her future husband.  As absurd as this concept is, her readers were right there with her.  In 2010 she wrote about breaking it off with the unemployed pot smoker she had been having sex with.  Just like the fictional character in Cat Person, the blogger explained that she finally realized that she wasn’t attracted to the loser she was having sex with:

So it only took, what, a week for this most recent dating venture to crash and burn? A new record, to be sure, but then again, this is the guy that invited me to meet his mother after date one (I politely declined), and was talking exclusivity by dates two and three (and four and five and oh my GOD please give it a rest). So I suppose it is only fitting that the ending was equally precipitous. You see, while all this time I thought the biggest hurdle to get over was that I wasn’t attracted to him physically, it turns out that, appearances aside, once I got past the physical I didn’t necessarily like what was inside. Huh. Didn’t see that one coming, did you, Internet? To be honest, I didn’t either.

This whole experience has been akin to trying to shove a square peg in a round hole, and of convincing myself that, no, it’s not such a big deal, we’ll just shave a little off this side here, and nip off a corner there, and look!

Notice the complete lack of introspection.  There is no sense of what in the world am I doing having sex with one loser after another?  The only question is, what is wrong with these men, don’t they know they are failing to impress me?  This is especially astounding given that the woman in question had by this time been blogging about her own thoughts and experiences for three years.

The problem for women who fall into this trap is that other women typically will encourage them in this thinking.  Commenter Just Sayin responded to the post explaining that sex with a string of losers was a rite of passage, something noble women do as an act of love for their eventual husband:

That lasted a week too long.
And the condom bit… well there would have been NO LOVE without a glove!!!!

Dont give him another thought.

stepping stone to bigger and better things. It’s like a right of passage that we dont want to take, that all women venture into one of these guys and dont end it sooner.

Commenter Tuppence likewise reassured the blogger that having sex with a string of losers was an essential part of the blogger’s husband hunt:

Oh what an utter wanker! It’s so much better to be single than having to endure the company of someone like that. It’s just a shame we have to kiss so many frogs and toads along the way before we find someone worth keeping. It will happen though…keep your chin up.

Commenter Dawn agreed:

It’s just one more frog that you had to kiss in order to get one step closer to the prince.

Commenter Eliza took the absurdity up a notch, explaining that one day the blogger would share this shameful experience with her grandchildren!

You can still tell the story to your grandkids because in 40 years it will be funny (are you not sort of laughing now at the incredulousness of it all) but LUCKILY you will be with another and non-money pinching lovely man and this episode will just be filed under “grandma’s funny dating stories”.

One commenter (anonymous) broke the pattern and suggested the blogger consider what she should do differently:

ummm…really, I don’t want to be unkind. i’ve been reading your blog for quite a while, and it seems like you might want to talk to someone. professionally. you seem kindof messed up. you’re a brilliant writer-incredibly sharp and witty. but you seem to continually make crappy choices. especially about sleeping with loosers. maybe if you just waited a few weeks, or months before jumping into bed with them?
maybe i’m wrong. but there appears to be a rather unsuccessful pattern in your life…

Commenter gabbiana then reassured the blogger that she shouldn’t let haters suggesting introspection get her down.  Having sex with losers is something every good woman must do, and of course it will eventually make for a great story to share with her grandkids:

Haaaaa this story is awesome and the punchline is awesomer and also don’t let the haters get you down. We all date crazies; we very often sleep with crazies; we very, very often require what seems, in retrospect, to be an inordinate amount of time to pick out the crazies. But like everyone up there said, this will be a great one to tell the grandkids. Eventually.

This story does have a happy ending of sorts.  After parking her blog some time back in 2014, the blogger returned this October to announce that she is now engaged and planning her wedding.  This was, as she explained back in 2013, what it has always been about from the beginning:

So, I’m engaged. And lately I’ve been having a lot of thoughts, specifically of the wedding variety, and I’m finding I have nowhere to put them. So far I’ve been putting these thoughts in a large spreadsheet, and while that is helpful and necessary, it’s not particularly satisfying. So here we are. Just me, my thoughts about weddings, and you.

Strangely, all of her posts about the men she had sex with for over six years have been deleted.  Perhaps her fiancé doesn’t find them as hilarious as her grandchildren will no doubt find them.

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297 Responses to Someday we’ll laugh!

  1. paddy says:

    Just curious if they have been archived?

  2. Mandy says:

    Note the use of ‘boy’ to refer to a full grown man. Often, 40+ women will refer to themselves as girls. It fits nicely with your eternal courtship of a perpetual 13 year old mind idea.

  3. buckyinky says:

    This lack of true introspection is one great sicknesses of our age. With men it is absent, simpliciter. It does not occur to the great mass of men that any interior examination might be necessary. With women, though, there seems something more complex about what is lacking. They seem intent on convincing everyone, especially themselves, that they have examined things, and that everything is great.

    Perhaps beside the point, but this is why a convincing case can be made that women should not blog about their personal lives, at least in this age. I’m sure exceptions exist and all that, but it appears the temptation for the great mass of women is too great to publish lies for public consumption.

  4. AnonS says:

    For women there is a temptation to see dating not as a mutual evaluation for fitness, but as a sort of reality show where they are paradoxically both the prize (entirely passive) and the judge (in complete control)… The problem for women who fall into this trap is that other women typically will encourage them in this thinking… that she shouldn’t let haters suggesting introspection get her down. – Dalrock

    Dynamite. Sadly this is also true for all the Church girls I’ve met. Sometimes where the judge is their feelings but they call it hearing from God.

  5. As shown, you’d get better and more reflective advice from a Magic 8 Ball than you get from women. Not just about dating. About everything.

  6. Gaza says:

    In this reality show of theirs, which just happens to be all about avoiding anything that resembles reality along they way, the script will eventually call to introspection.

    For the ones who snag thier betabux, this introspection becomes, “I’m not happy” or other variant. For the ones who continue to drift, taking ‘b’ and ‘c’ roles in lifetime original productions where gravity doesn’t exist and secret millionaire handymen are just waiting for mature, worldly, lean-in retirees with one egg, introspection becomes “I had low self-esteem”.

    Whether it’s years of therapy, self-help books, yoga retreats, or just “taking a break from tinder” all routes of introspection lead back to “low self esteem”.

    My empathy in this regard is tapped out. I used to kinda buy this line. But after so many AWALTs it’s just like the rest of the lines.

    The kissing frogs bit is just disgusting. Women think that random dick, low quality dick, and lowering their sexual value for YEARS makes them “who they are”. It’s sad. I could generate some compassion if they would just own the fact that it is disgusting and unfortunate that they lowered thier value, but instead they try to sell it downstream to the next guy as something of value.

    When I next them accordingly, then of course it’s about some flaw in me. Which just reinforces that there was never and will never be introspection. Just the sold peddling of their own rationalizations, in perpetuity.

    The modern woman is allergic to responsibility.

  7. honeycomb says:

    Deleted all those helpful .. meaningful .. grrlpwr .. posts did she?

    I guess they (i.e. th whores) do realize it was wrong or worse .. it messes up their chances wear white on her wedding day ™ .. some things never change (e.g. whores & their desire to wear white on their wedding day).

  8. Lost Patrol says:

    I wasn’t attracted to him physically

    I was curious about the admission contained at this link, but for me it did not work.

    we very often sleep with crazies; – One of her advisors lets the cat out of the bag. I wonder who she means by “we”?

    I also wonder what number of sexual partner the fiance’ is, and if he wonders that too. Does she know what number he is?

    Did he meet the goal, I had finally gotten everything I had ever wanted, or did she settle? Good luck to him in his future endeavors.

  9. Jack Russell says:

    Hopefully her fiance reads her blogs. She talks about the sex he will not be getting from her, especially after a few months of wedded abyss.

  10. earlthomas786 says:

    And here and there a back story, like how three and a half years ago I was on a first date in a bar with a man, and if you had told me then that one day I would marry that man, I would have laughed and laughed and laughed, and then called you a —— liar.

    I know what she was trying getting at here…but that still doesn’t good for him.

  11. earlthomas786 says:

    We all date crazies; we very often sleep with crazies; we very, very often require what seems, in retrospect, to be an inordinate amount of time to pick out the crazies.

    There’s an old saying, that I just made up, birds of a feather end up sleeping with each other because both are crazy.

    The closest thing to introspection I think we’ll ever get from most women is how they bad mouth the men is very often their own personality traits.

  12. Novaseeker says:

    Hopefully her fiance reads her blogs. She talks about the sex he will not be getting from her, especially after a few months of wedded abyss.

    Heh you mean the archived ones. She sanitized her own blog. If the fool isn’t savvy enough to find her carousel diary he’ll be none the wiser.

  13. earlthomas786 says:

    She talks about the sex he will not be getting from her, especially after a few months of wedded abyss.

    Where was that at?

  14. when the “me too” movement filters on down to run-of-the-mill women and they are calling a fingering in 1994 when she was 24 to “full blown rape” in 2018…..if the guy in question is successful…………no one is gonna be laughing.

    back in the early 1990’s in college “we” all laughed off the PC movement as speech codes were being re-written. “It was a bunch of crazies” and “oh, when they get in the real world, they’ll grow up”

    Careers have been ruined. Codified speech in work, the college campus. Relations between men and women were further damaged. No one is laughing now.

    If there is a “fault” of the educated class of “Generation X” we could have stopped it. We could have stood up to our professors. The noisy PC crowd. Nahhhh, we were so focused on our own selves, our futures, our social lives…..all of us bs-ing each other in dorm rooms, at parties thinking how independent-minded we all were. A special blame on the those of us who went to “liberal arts colleges and universities” where it really took root fast and quick. We laughed it off. No one is laughing.

    Someday soon. Very soon….all of this won’t be laughed at. It will be deadly serious and women like this writer will be the forefront of it.

  15. earlthomas786 says:

    Though we had discussed marriage, my prior experiences with dating foot draggers and ne’er-do-wells had drastically lowered my expectations of, well, everything, and I had anticipated at least two to six more months of hemming and hawing before the question was popped. Plus, if he was ready to propose, I thought, I would know it, the way women just know these things.

    Things they don’t teach women in sex ed about sleeping with bad boys. It often destroys them emotionally.

  16. RobJ says:

    “This whole experience has been akin to trying to shove a square peg in a round hole”

    There’s been a lot of shoving pegs into a hole, yes.

    “It’s like a right of passage that we dont want to take…”

    It’s *rite* of passage, but perhaps this is a Freudian slip. It’s like a *right* that women have, but they *don’t* want to take, but they must…because it’s their right! Feminism is such a burden!

    “It’s just one more frog that you had to kiss in order to get one step closer to the prince.”

    More like one more Pap smear in order to get one step closer to a hysterectomy.

    “We all date crazies; we very often sleep with crazies…”

    It’s just a right of passage, you know.

    “…this will be a great one to tell the grandkids…”

    Because the Story of the Sluttiest Generation needs to be shared and passed on, like herpes.

  17. Jeff Strand says:

    Somebody is gonna wife up that trainwreck? LOL! Why am I not surprised?

  18. Ras al Ghul says:

    Ten years on the carousal. (well 6.5 plus assuming the first guy was the first, and the last guy became exclusive)

    Probablity she will still be married in ten years – less than 20%.

    I should note though that they have been dating 3.5 years and men will sometimes string along a woman with an engagement ring.

  19. Opus says:

    It is always the little unintentional details that give away the bigger picture. I looked at her blog and towards the bottom is a photo of her hand with an engagement ring on the third finger. Her third finger is considerably longer then her first finger. This is always the case with men but with women it is reversed so that the third finger will be shorter than the first. A longer third finger on a woman indicates considerable masculinity and thus probably (given the ease) great promiscuity and of course that is exactly what she admits too although she insults the guys who were too polite to refuse her as ‘crazies’. Usual female projection methinks.

  20. MarcusD says:

    @RobJ

    Because the Story of the Sluttiest Generation needs to be shared and passed on, like herpes.

    Vertical transmission is another reason to avoid these women.

    Speaking of which, the new Gardasil vaccine (Gardasil 9) is now a required vaccine in Australia for kids (https://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/media/announcement-of-the-addition-of-gardasil-9-to-the-national-immunisation-pro). I do sometimes wonder if STD vaccine manufacturers have tried to create a market for their vaccines. It would certainly make business sense.

  21. earlthomas786 says:

    Somebody is gonna wife up that trainwreck? LOL! Why am I not surprised?

    Oh yeah…there’s a picture of her fiance.

    http://www.diaryofwhy.com/2017/10/diary-of-why-engagement-and-purring.html

  22. Frank K says:

    We should start a pool on how long this marriage will last. Put me down for 3 years.

  23. honeycomb says:

    Geez Earl .. that pose of them is grindge-worthy. She’s not attracted to him (either; re: other bf she was not attracted too). This won’t end well for him.

    And yes .. her 3rd digit is longer meaning hi T.

  24. Frank K says:

    Gardisil for boys too now, huh? I guess we need to protect them from the consequences of sodomy (“oral sex”). Funny how that’s never been a problem for me. I’ve NEVER understood the appeal of that.

    Too bad there are no vaccines for AIDS, and now there is a new antibiotic strain of gonorrhea taking the world by storm. Also not a problem for me, but you know, being monogamous with an N=1 (ditto the wife) means you are a traumatized, deprived victim. Maybe I should start a gofundme campaign or something.

  25. Eduardo the Magnificent says:

    @ RonbJ
    It’s *rite* of passage, but perhaps this is a Freudian slip. It’s like a *right* that women have, but they *don’t* want to take, but they must…because it’s their right! Feminism is such a burden!

    That was my first thought as well. Either she’s ignorant of speech, or she meant it. Doesn’t bode well for her either way.

  26. Opus says:

    That photo. She’s a five or six (predictable) and quite tall. He is very much leaning sideways into her and holding her with both hands in what looks like an awkward pose. She merely has her left hand on his chest (showing off the ring) but almost as if she is pushing him away. He looks a big guy but somewhat out of shape and a bit scruffy, she is wearing a dress albeit one a bit shapeless.

  27. Novaseeker says:

    Oh wow, that guy is in trouble isn’t he? Picture says more than a thousand words in that case.

  28. SkylerWurden says:

    I’m just baffled as to why a woman would have sex with a man to whom she’s not attracted. Like if he was bringing her food and this was apocalyptic scenario number 9 or some shit, okay I get that. But a presumably financially secure woman with no personal connection or obligation to the man in question… I don’t get that. Especially since she allegedly didn’t like his personality either and if hee was an unemployed stoner than he doesn’t have any social, political, or financial value.

    I’m having trouble envisioning how she rationalized even going on a date with the guy, much less ending up with his dick inside of her. What kind of fucked up do you have to be to sink that low?

  29. honeycomb says:

    Opus ..

    She’s pushing him away with her feet side-bye-side (i.e. closed off to him) .. but yes she is showing the ring off .. she could’ve done that much differently if she was attracted to him. If she was attracted to him she wouldn’t wearing comfy clothes either.

    It’s true he is a blob (e.g. not fit) and is mate guarding her with his hug from a distance .. its as bad imho as hover-hand.

    They are each other’s target market at this point in their lives.

    If they are getting married in an alimony state she will stay with him long enough to get alimony. Otherwise .. less tahn 5 years before divorce.

  30. Novaseeker says:

    I’m having trouble envisioning how she rationalized even going on a date with the guy, much less ending up with his dick inside of her. What kind of fucked up do you have to be to sink that low?

    Oh that’s easy to explain.

    Lane changing women who have been sleeping in their 20s (and early 30s in many cases) with very attractive men who are unsuitable for marriage find themselves, at some point, realizing that these guys are never going to marry them and/or are bad ideas for marriage. So they change lanes and broaden their scope. Normally this means beta provider guys, but it can also mean that they just cast a wider net in general, depending on how desperate they are, and their standards drop across the board. So let’s say she was beta husband type shopping and not finding anyone worthwhile for a while and she was lonely one night and he was there and “it just happened”, because she needed some validation, and the guys she was looking at for husbands were all losers, and it was so sad, and she just needed a pick me up and so on … and she ends up in bed with someone like that. Women have sex primarily for emotional reasons, not primarily due to physical attraction, unless the physical attraction is coupled with yummy feelings or validation they want to feel.

    This happens ALL THE TIME. It is not uncommon at all. Women just bury it, however, as she has done by deleting those parts of her blog, now that she has found a suitable beta to marry. But it isn’t rare for this to happen, either during the carousel phase or during the lane changing phase when she just wants some validation.

  31. Dave says:

    Deleted all those helpful .. meaningful .. grrlpwr .. posts did she?
    I guess they (i.e. th whores) do realize it was wrong or worse .. it messes up their chances wear white on her wedding day ™ .. some things never change (e.g. whores & their desire to wear white on their wedding day).

    I don’t blame these used up women. It’s the men marrying them that deserve the blame. When you are asked to pay full price for a previously used item, and you are clearly told it’s been used and discarded by many previous users, with obvious signs of wear and tear on the item, and you still went ahead to pay full price for it, who deserves the blame?

    However, the major reason why our young men cannot easily find chaste women to marry is not because of feminism per se (women’s rebellion has been in existence since the time of Adam). It is because the Church has failed in its duty to saturate our society with the unchanging truths of the Gospel message. Rather than “contesting for the faith”, the Church has allowed ungodly ideologies to define societal morality, and the result is what we are seeing.

  32. I expected her fiance to be a fatter, balder pajama boy. He actually looks somewhat masculine. Maybe he hasn’t seen her old blog posts about being a whore and maybe he’s too lazy/not smart enough to wayback machine her deleted blog posts… He’s just not the Omega male I imagined he would be.

  33. MarcusD says:

    @honeycomb

    And yes .. her 3rd digit is longer meaning hi T.

    2D:4D ratio (http://www.diaryofwhy.com/2017/10/diary-of-why-wedding-and-cute-animal.html) works differently for men and women. “Reproductive success” (read: promiscuity) has a negative correlation between 2D:4D in men, but a positive correlation between 2D:4D in women. This would agree with prior research that found that more feminine appearing women have higher “reproductive success,” which would also explain the male preference for slightly more masculine females for long-term relationships (e.g. marriage), given that females with those traits are apparently being selected for a greater propensity to fidelity.

  34. MarcusD says:

    @Frank K

    Gardisil for boys too now, huh? I guess we need to protect them from the consequences of sodomy (“oral sex”). Funny how that’s never been a problem for me. I’ve NEVER understood the appeal of that.

    It’s interesting, because Gardasil was heavily promoted in (at least some) Catholic circles under the assumption that women would not necessarily marry a man without a sexual history (in reality, it’s the opposite). So, the vaccine is more of a signal of “progress” across the SMP, as opposed to a necessary evil. Of course, the reasons that kids would have to be vaccinated are absent from the press release…

  35. earlthomas786 says:

    Women have sex primarily for emotional reasons, not primarily due to physical attraction, unless the physical attraction is coupled with yummy feelings or validation they want to feel.

    Yes…if you ever ask yourself…’why does a woman do that?’ there’s your answer. And that type of lifestyle does no favors for a woman because she’ll be at best an emotional train wreck. She hinted at that with her engagement story and how her expectations were lowered by having sex with losers. She would never outline her specific emotional problems in her blog…but if we got a few beers in her fiance I bet he would tell us.

  36. earlthomas786 says:

    He’s just not the Omega male I imagined he would be.

    Omega males usually don’t have anything attractive about them for women. They are ugly on the outside and inside.

    I don’t know much one can ascertain about a man from a picture…certainly we can see his physique and body language…but I’d say that’s probably as good as she could get for commitment given who she his.

  37. David says:

    Strangely, all of her posts about the men she had sex with for over six years have been deleted. Perhaps her fiancé doesn’t find them as hilarious as her grandchildren will no doubt find them.

    Someone who is skilled with the Wayback machine should find those posts and post them here (or send it to the guy). Give the beta a lifeline, and the 2% chance that he breaks it off before he signs the dotted line of slavery and torture.

    Is it bad to provide a man with information that might lead to him withdrawing from the engagement? I don’t think so.

  38. earlthomas786 says:

    Is it bad to provide a man with information that might lead to him withdrawing from the engagement?

    The preacher doesn’t state ‘If anyone has any reason why these two should not marry, speak now or forever hold your peace’ for nothing.

  39. Boxer says:

    David sez:

    Someone who is skilled with the Wayback machine should find those posts and post them here (or send it to the guy). Give the beta a lifeline, and the 2% chance that he breaks it off before he signs the dotted line of slavery and torture.

    Agreed. It’s not like we’d be telling him anything he doesn’t know, except for the fact that tens of thousands of people on the internet know about his fiancée, in minute detail, and have for years. He probably doesn’t know the extent to which she blogged about all the dudes that came before.

    I find the proclivity for internet attention whoring even more distasteful than the promiscuity, frankly. It’s disrespect-in-advance, a sort of pre-cucking. Everyone is laughing at this poor simp now, and he ought to hear about it.

    Does anyone know if he has a twitter account? I’ll be the bearer of bad news.

    Boxer

  40. Boxer says:

    Dear Earl:

    I don’t know much one can ascertain about a man from a picture…certainly we can see his physique and body language…but I’d say that’s probably as good as she could get for commitment given who she his.

    If she’s gushing about marrying this poor simp, then it’s safe to assume two things only: his dick works, and he has some money to spend on her. That’s it.

    That said, he strikes me (from the photo) as one of the naïve, nice guys – the sort that I work with. She’s in wallet-seeking mode, which explains all her seedy stories disappearing.

    Boxer

  41. rocko says:

    The sad part is, they’re seeing a 30 something year old “girl” who finally snared a literal prince, that is Prince Harry and these women think that if she can do it, so can they. Now I don’t know what happened there with Harry, how he managed to faceplant here, and especially, how the royals are reacting. We’ve come a long ways since Edward VIII was forced to abdicate his throne for marrying Bessie Wallis Simpson, a woman who was twice divorced and who actually dumped her second husband, a shipping executive, for Edward. Clearly a woman who traded up, from an admiral to a man engaged in shipping, to a royal.

    And now? I guess the sense of you go girlism and “do what makes you happy” has taken over the royal family as well. Fortunately, they are not as relevant as they used to be, although probably a burden on the rest of the country. Now I wonder that the blogger above and all of her acolytes are cheering and hoping they’re next. Of course royalty are pretty much a thing of the past si not that many princes to go around. Then again, they can always try their luck with a member of the Al Sauds or any of the other Arab royal families. Good luck with that.

  42. earlthomas786 says:

    The wayback machine gives a little more info.

    If she was 27 in 2007…do the math.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20150311163801/http://www.diaryofwhy.com:80/p/about.html

  43. rocko says:

    And I just saw her blog. Yep, I’m calling it. This one’s going for divorce. That is assuming the poor jackass has anything left to lose after the wedding expenses, the ring, the honeymoon, the house, feeding her and her animals, etc.

    And yep, that’s all she talks about, her damn wedding. This actually reminded me why I ended up going MGTOW in the first place. To this day I cringe every time I see a Jared commercial peddling engagement rings. And I’m obligated to yell out a compulsory “Fuck you Jared!” at the T.V., especially after having had a go at buying a ring myself ten years ago. And after her losing it and me not getting insurance for it, us breaking up, then me having to pay it back to the tune of $3300. And they wonder why men don’t “man up.”

  44. Boxer says:

    Dear Rocko:

    Right on all counts. Enjoyed your own story, too.

    And after her losing it

    “losing” it – maybe at the pawn shop?

    and me not getting insurance for it, us breaking up, then me having to pay it back to the tune of $3300. And they wonder why men don’t “man up.”

    Read Billy’s story sometime. You got off easy, and very cheaply.

    Boxer

  45. David says:

    A stupid question :

    If riding the carousel, even with losers, is seen as a sacred path to marriage and a badge of honor, and plenty of women are working to support that narrative, then why did she feel the need to delete her blog posts?

    This seem contradictory.

  46. rocko says:

    @Gaza

    “The kissing frogs bit is just disgusting. Women think that random dick, low quality dick, and lowering their sexual value for YEARS makes them “who they are”.

    Lol, never thought about it this way. Maybe “kissing frogs” was always slang for sucking dicks and we never realized it. I’ll keep that in mind every time some woman brings up the subject.

  47. earlthomas786 says:

    If riding the carousel, even with losers, is seen as a sacred path to marriage and a badge of honor, and plenty of women are working to support that narrative, then why did she feel the need to delete her blog posts?

    If you keep digging there’s a lot more red flags in there than just the carousel. The therapy, the general disrespect for men, the neuroticism. Like I said…the carousel often plays a part in emotional trainwrecks.

  48. earlthomas786 says:

    And I wouldn’t even bank the divorce on the fact she rode the carousel…I’d bank it on how she disrespects men and gets anxious about things she makes up in her head. That poor guy either already knows what he’s in for…or doesn’t realize it will be 100 times worse when they do get married.

  49. David says:

    If you keep digging there’s a lot more red flags in there than just the carousel. The therapy, the general disrespect for men, the neuroticism. Like I said…the carousel often plays a part in emotional trainwrecks.

    But that doesn’t answer the question. She *deleted* those old posts, indicating a self-awareness that does not match the rest of her actions. If everyone who surrounds her agrees that the carousel is a badge of honor, why delete the posts and conceal them from her BB?

  50. Boxer says:

    But that doesn’t answer the question. She *deleted* those old posts, indicating a self-awareness that does not match the rest of her actions. If everyone who surrounds her agrees that the carousel is a badge of honor, why delete the posts and conceal them from her BB?

    She deleted the true confessions because her fiancé is a controlling, abusive asshole. Of course, she doesn’t realize this now. It will all become clear to her some time after the wedding, when she starts sizing up lawyers.

  51. earlthomas786 says:

    If she’s gushing about marrying this poor simp, then it’s safe to assume two things only: his dick works, and he has some money to spend on her. That’s it.

    She wasn’t really gushing about him if you are to believe what she thought of him after the first date.

    I don’t want to disrespect the man, but I would like to know his reasonings for why this should be the woman he decides state bound commitment to.

  52. earlthomas786 says:

    She *deleted* those old posts, indicating a self-awareness that does not match the rest of her actions. If everyone who surrounds her agrees that the carousel is a badge of honor, why delete the posts and conceal them from her BB?

    When the rubber meets the road….they know it’s not a badge of honor. She can delete the posts, but she can’t delete the feelings, the experiences and the consequences.

  53. Cloudbuster says:

    You know, in the fairy tale, the frog IS the prince. There are no non-prince frogs the princess is required to kiss. So where did this “You have to kiss a lot of frogs…” saying get started?

  54. Robert What? says:

    That poor guy she is marrying. He doesn’t know what a hell awaits him.

  55. earlthomas786 says:

    @Cloudbuster…

    According to this the old quote used to be ‘toads’ and not frogs. And from what they could find, it was 1975.

    https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/06/05/kiss-frogs/#return-note-6473-1

  56. Opus……aside from enjoying the ‘devon clotted cream’ I just got in the mail today from the UK (I ordered six 170g jars)…I found your “ring finger” comment interesting.

  57. Gaza says:

    His manboobs suggest he knows. Not all the details, or the actual N, or the threesome, but certainly he knows that she is sexually empowered, knows what she wants (for now, finally, after the carousel helped her find out), and that he treats her better than the rest.

    Which means he gets to pay for what they got for free, but that’s what he’s been told is his reward for all his nice guy hard work.

    She probably even let him wait to get in there just to show him how nice he is. I’m guessing he played HS football, maybe basketball too. So he’s got enough notches to think that they are on the same page.

    They are equal partners in this. He’s running the old set of books. The frivorce will blindside him. I know many of these guys. Good cats, really. The long march to the slaughterhouse.

  58. CSI says:

    Maybe she also deleted those posts because reading those might give her husband the idea she likes sex, and so he should be getting more than once or twice monthly uninspired starfish sex out of her.

  59. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Cloudbuster: where did this “You have to kiss a lot of frogs…” saying get started?

    Probably as a joke/takeoff on the fairy tale. The princess must kiss many frogs before she finds the frog-prince, because she doesn’t know which frog is the prince.

    As early as the 1960s, Gilligan Island was parodying the “princess kisses a frog” concept. You can see it in this YouTube clip, starting shortly before the 10 minute mark.

    I’m guessing there might have been cartoons and film comedies as early as the 1940s, maybe even the 1930s, parodying the concept.

  60. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    I meant, before the ONE MINUTE mark, not the 10 minute mark.

  61. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    It just occurs to me, the Professor (old man) probably “raped” Mary Ann in that above Gilligan Islands clip. Lying to a woman, so as to induce her to provide a sexual favor (i.e., a kiss). is today considered rape.

  62. SkylerWurden says:

    Once again, I find it hard to feel bad for this guy. He’s in for a world of pain, all self-chosen. If a man is going to insist on cutting his own throat, I ain’t gonna cry at his funeral.

  63. patriarchal landmine says:

    I do honestly wonder if the anonymous commenter discovered this blog from me linking it all across the chans, or if it’s just a coincidence.

  64. Drake Gamma says:

    “I do honestly wonder if the anonymous commenter discovered this blog from me linking it all across the chans, or if it’s just a coincidence.”

    He may have, I’ve found a blogger by seeing her site posted around in the men’s sphere. She continually portrays her husband as the beta schlub she cleans up after.

    Just look at this picture.

    Devastating.

    http://seriouslyservingthesaviour.wordpress.com/2017/12/26/a-year-to-be-thankful-for/

  65. feministhater says:

    It’s becoming a daily occurrence that I get down on my knees and thank God for sparing me this madness of a disease called modern day marriage.

    It’s funny, but it’s not even feeling ill at the thought of marrying a woman who had to eat herself through a buffet of dicks to find me as the one to pay for it all, that gets me. I just don’t care for the charade anymore, these women are ill, they’re mentally deficient and sexually deviant. They are not good wives in the making like they think they are. This man is in for a world of hurt and no one thought to warn him? Of course not..

    It’s a society wide delusion, a sickness – that you can turn a whore into a housewife and that she will not divorce you.. sure, no thanks, I’ll pass and be grateful for it.

    I’m sure the grandkids will be laughing when they hear just how much of a whore their grandmother was and that’s assuming a lot – that she will have kids and that she stays together with current hubby long enough to have those kids have kids of their own.. something tells me this is not going to go according to plan.. I’m guessing single mom of one child is the future here with stupid hubby paying for child support and never being able to raise his kid..

    Good going!

  66. Dota says:

    This man is in for a world of hurt and no one thought to warn him? Of course not..

    I’m with Boxer on this one, this guy needs to be warned. I believe she mentioned his name – Simon, which is a start. Also, they are in DC or around there. This guy also went to law school in Chicago. If we piece together all the tidbits of info, we should be able to find him. If he’s already married, then it’s game over. But if not, we should take action. What’s the point of coming to Dalrock’s, bitch and complain, and then carry on again? Let’s do this.

  67. Dave II says:

    Firstly, if I had a mother like her I would make sure she has no relationship with my kids, girls especially. Elders are supposed to pass down wisdom, not immorality and filth. My goodness.

    Secondly, I realised back when Eat Pray Love came out that women suck at introspection. And I mean really suck. They can introspect for years and never get to a correct answer. For example, if travelling was needed to “find yourself” then either all the people who never travelled in the past were chronically miserable or “finding yourself” is not at all necessary for a person to have a satisfying life. I concluded the latter because human beings have choices and those choices we act on cause our experiences which then shape who we are. So you make yourself, rather than finding yourself. Simple. That took about 10 minutes to figure out and it explains why I never have an urge to travel, as do most men that I know. Meanwhile, women are still looking for themselves…

    Of course I later learnt that they really just wanted to spend more time on the carousel and the choice of language is just a red herring, which was quite effective in the pre-red pill days when betas who “were more abundant and none the wiser (as they are still). Maybe that’s the problem. They introspect not to discover the truth, but to justify what they want the truth to be. And when they can’t they simply find a way to make it seem ok, or pretend that it’s not what they’re up to or not their fault for doing it.

  68. Anon says:

    I am not sure why anyone is surprised that this woman landed a blue-pill fiancee. She isn’t even fat.

    Remember that Jim Gay-ratty’s video has 6 times as many upvotes as downvotes, despite the fact that Gay-ratty himself married a single mother and insists that a high N on a woman is a plus, not a negative. He also insists that daily threatpoint is a good thing (anything to rationalize his own failure).

    But if the video gets 6 times as many upvotes as downvotes, that tells you how most men are totally idiotic and can be brainwashed into almost anything.

  69. MarcusD says:

    Here are the posts from Archive.org: https://pastebin.com/kCDr7kD6. Older posts can be found under “diaryofwhy.blogspot.com” (via Archive.org), though it is rather cumbersome. Unsurprisingly, she commented on https://www.hookingupsmart.com/2009/07/07/hookinguprealities/are-you-dating-a-narcissist/ (and a few other posts there). Based on information in one of her posts, she will be turning 38 in April – she looks older than him (and a lot older than her age would indicate…).

    If she’s gushing about marrying this poor simp, then it’s safe to assume two things only: his dick works, and he has some money to spend on her. That’s it.

    She mentions that he went to law school in Chicago.

    She *deleted* those old posts, indicating a self-awareness that does not match the rest of her actions.

    Perhaps a “precaution”?

  70. Anon says:

    Marcus D,

    Here are the posts from Archive.org: https://pastebin.com/kCDr7kD6. Older posts can be found under “diaryofwhy.blogspot.com” (via Archive.org), though it is rather cumbersome.

    Good work.

    Boxer, over to you.

    We ought to give the poor schmuck ONE chance to save himself.

  71. SkylerWurden says:

    Would it count as the sin of detraction to spread her history around? There is the question of whether or not it is a stranger’s right to ‘protect’ another stranger by airing the dirty laundry of another stranger.

    I don’t think it’s too cut and dry, morally speaking. Too many unknown facts. Could the poor shlub, God help him, already knows.

  72. SkylerWurden says:

    Reverse the sex of the two parties in question and I wouldn’t do it. That makes me lean toward it not being licit.

  73. Dota says:

    Step 1-

    First, go to google and type: site:diaryofwhy.com and then click on images. Find images of her and simon and then download them.

    Step 2-

    Go to: https://pimeyes.com/en/ and then upload the images here and let the facial recognition software do it’s work.

    I haven’t had much luck, but perhaps some of you guys have a better eye for faces/detail than I do.

    I’m still looking into it.

  74. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    If she’s gushing about marrying this poor simp, then it’s safe to assume two things only: his dick works, and he has some money to spend on her. That’s it.

    Not necessarily. Women will often gush over boyfriends, and especially fiancés, that they don’t particularly like. They do it to “save face” in front of their girlfriends and social media “fans.”

    She can’t very well tear down the man she’s about to marry. That would mean she’s settling, which would reflect poorly on her. So she treats the man as “the prize” in front of their girlfriends. “Look at the great guy I was able to snag! I am soooo amazing to land such a catch!”

    For all we know, she barely even likes her future husband. But she can’t publicly admit it without losing face.

    Oddly, after a woman marries a man, she feels comfortable publicly tearing him down.

  75. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    I agree with Boxer. This man should be warned, if at all possible.

  76. CSI says:

    It just occurs to me, the Professor (old man) probably “raped” Mary Ann in that above Gilligan Islands clip. Lying to a woman, so as to induce her to provide a sexual favor (i.e., a kiss). is today considered rape.

    Sexual assault certainly, but not quite rape. Not yet. I suppose sticking the tongue in might be considered rape, but this is the main offense Al Franken was accused of, and very few people labelled this “rape”. But if this metoo movement continues I’m sure we’ll see even nonconsensual close mouthed kissed classified as rape.

  77. Gunner Q says:

    SkylerWurden @ 12:35 am:
    “Would it count as the sin of detraction to spread her history around?”

    No, you’re trying to help a guy avoid making a bad mistake. But I advise against the attempt if he really did graduate from a Chicago law school. He’s got to be both heavily indoctrinated and literally weaponized by the Left. This is as dangerous as rescuing a wounded animal; it cannot recognize that you’re trying to help.

    Besides, if he’s an expert in law then he should do just fine in the frivorce courts. What’s she going to do, demand half his student debt?

    Help the ignorant, not the fanatic.

  78. Dave says:

    She *deleted* those old posts, indicating a self-awareness that does not match the rest of her actions.

    Unfortunately for her, lawyers are pretty adept at finding information. Maybe he is still drunk with her awesome “love”, but when his eyes clear, things might be a bit different.

  79. Dave says:

    Or, maybe the guy himself is even worse?

  80. rogerrrrrr says:

    There’s a lot of commenters predicting (or wishing for) the marriage to end in disaster. That may or may not happen. They may well go the distance, and if so good for them. But two observations: personally, I could never accept marrying a used-up, plain 37 year old, and secondly, they are part of a society that is not having the 2.1 children necessary to reproduce itself, and as such they respresent what is destroying the West.

  81. Hawk&Rock says:

    @Boxer: “She deleted the true confessions because her fiancé is a controlling, abusive asshole. Of course, she doesn’t realize this now. It will all become clear to her some time after the wedding, when she starts sizing up lawyers.”

    Hahaha. Exactly right.

    She also doesn’t realize just yet how truly selfish, self-absorbed and incapable of love he really is. Her first hint of this will come when he acts surprised that: 1) she’s having an affair; or 2) she wants a divorce. After all, anyone who truly loved her would have recognized that the marriage had been over for a long time.

  82. Opus says:

    The other give-away is her ‘if anyone had told me three years ago that when I accepted a date from this ordinary guy that I would three and a half years later be engaged to him…” raises the question that if he is such a great catch then why did it take her a woman not in the first flush of youth and self-confessedly seeking a husband three and a half years to come to the realisation that he was ‘the one’. If her judgement is that tardy may not her dismissal of all those ‘crazies’ she slept with also be a bit defective. The explanation surely is that she is settling and at an age when traditionally she would be regarded as a spinster. On the plus side he does look masculine (but perhaps a bit dense); a man’s man perhaps, a man other women passed on by and (children look away now) either he is wearing a cod-piece or he is sporting a hard-on in the pic – or perhaps he is just a ‘big’ guy and that is what clinched the deal for her.

    I particularly appreciated Honeycomb’s above observation that the guy’s mate-guarding (good observation) is almost as bad a hover-hand. Cudos to Earl for ascertaining that the woman is thirty seven so no question that this is other then landing hard.

    I would also observe that a woman who is prepared to put her sex life on line is likely to be a woman who brushes all before her, someone who always gets what she wants sexually and can see no reason why she should not do so nor that there is any reason why on-line publication might at any time be a negative for her – but I need to check the Wayback machine entries to get a better sense of that for I am not sure what she has written or what detail has been provided. Women become engaged every day but those that announce this in their own Romance-Sex Blog show both lack of modesty and discretion but at the same time massive self-entitlement. Her fiancee must have seen at least the new blog entries and be somewhat aware that he is now a prop in the wonderful world that is her love-life.

  83. APL says:

    earlthomas786: “Oh yeah…there’s a picture of her fiance.”

    AND, in the picture, he is leaning into her.
    These guys have six months, whereupon she’ll find that ‘it’s just now working for her’.

  84. earlthomas786 says:

    And the post where the cad of her dreams got away.

    This is the foreboding sentence for say any future husband:

    It was my first time, and it was painful and confusing and I didn’t like it, but I had done it and I was glad.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20120825233616/http://www.diaryofwhy.com/2012/08/why-all-people-i-used-to-know-are.html

  85. earlthomas786 says:

    @Opus…

    Women become engaged every day but those that announce this in their own Romance-Sex Blog show both lack of modesty and discretion but at the same time massive self-entitlement.

    Your theory is proven correct if you read enough of these. Modern western women have almost no discretion for their red flags becuase they attention them out…it’s good for a discerning man, bad if he doesn’t have a clue.

  86. Anchorman says:

    Some thoughts:

    I don’t know the guy, but I don’t think there’s a mountain of info to mine from one picture. Keep in mind, she will only show pictures she thinks she looks good in. Her man is simply an accessory. There may be other pictures in which he displays dominance, but her hair is “flat.”

    The “kiss a lot of frogs” is a strange thing women keep using. In the story, the princess didn’t go around kissing fifty frogs to find a prince. She befriended a single frog, then kissed it (original version far darker, per Grimm), and only then did he become a handsome suitor.

    She didn’t kiss a lot of frogs. Heck, the princess didn’t even befriend a lot of frogs. She befriended a single frog. This takes a romanticized version of a Grimm tale and turns it into a rationalization to “kiss” “frogs.”

    If she is indeed 37, there’s likely no warning him off. She surely cut the number of guys she had as “boyfriends” to half or a quarter. That said, if he’s marrying a woman that old, he’s already made his decision to not pursue a younger woman. There’;s little chance of frivorce if she can – maybe – have one kid before her eggs dry up. Without the kids, it’s a lot harder to destory a guy with divorce, depending on the state they live.

  87. honeycomb says:

    Opus said ..
    The other give-away is her ‘if anyone had told me three years ago that when I accepted a date from this ordinary guy that I would three and a half years later be engaged to him…” raises the question that if he is such a great catch then why did it take her a woman not in the first flush of youth and self-confessedly seeking a husband three and a half years to come to the realisation that he was ‘the one’. If her judgement is that tardy may not her dismissal of all those ‘crazies’ she slept with also be a bit defective. The explanation surely is that she is settling and at an age when traditionally she would be regarded as a spinster.

    Th Wimminz ™ I have knownnover the years know within 3 seconds if they want to bang / marry you.

    She is playing the alimony game right now. Because no one else would put a ring on it. #shesettled

  88. feeriker says:

    I agree with Boxer. This man should be warned, if at all possible.

    To be brutally frank, I doubt it would do any good. This woman displays more bright red flags than a People’s Liberation Army parade through the center of Beijing. Any man who can’t see this woman for the complete train wreck that she is probably can’t be reasoned with.

    I second Anon’s sentiments that any man in this part of the 21st Century who cannot see obviouswarning signs or who ignores them in order to slake his sexual thirst is undeserving of anyone’s sympathy when the skanky bat-shit crazy destroys him.

  89. earlthomas786 says:

    To add what others have said…keep in mind he’s known her for 3 1/2 years. I cant imagine she’s been discrete with all her red flags to him because she’s blabbed them out to the internet. There’s even women I wasnt dating who causally tell me how crazy they are.

  90. Novaseeker says:

    I cant imagine she’s been discrete with all her red flags to him because she’s blabbed them out to the internet. There’s even women I wasnt dating who causally tell me how crazy they are.

    Yeah, women are all pretty much *automatically* more circumspect about their pasts around guys whom they considered BF or H material — they do it almost automatically. You get much more information from a girl who has no interest in you than you do if you are someone she is interested in for BF or marriage, in which case you will get no information at all that she thinks you might find prejudicial at all. Again, this is automatic, they all do it reflexively because they know that it reflects poorly on their character (all protests to the contrary notwithstanding).

  91. David says:
    December 29, 2017 at 6:52 pm
    A stupid question :

    If riding the carousel, even with losers, is seen as a sacred path to marriage and a badge of honor, and plenty of women are working to support that narrative, then why did she feel the need to delete her blog posts?

    This seem contradictory.

    Look up the term “cognitive dissonance”; you will find that this concept readily applies to modern women, although they will undoubtedly — and heatedly — deny it.
    But their own words — like this one’s blog — proves that women nowadays are ‘walking contradictions’.
    Men need to remember this.

    ***And I’d bet that these same women are undoubtedly completely baffled at the growth of MGTOW…***

  92. elmertjones says:

    My blog is having a similar happy end as I found a job using the tactics I wrote about. Am offering a free copy of my book before I turn the lights out. Hope some of you geezers find it useful if you are scratching for work : https://wp.me/p6QFjS-nq

  93. CSI says:

    I don’t know the guy, but I don’t think there’s a mountain of info to mine from one picture.

    We can see he’s tall, full head of hair, decent looking, decent physique (even if he’s not perfectly toned, still looks like he works out and he’s not fat). She also mentions he’s a lawyer, and he must be one of the successful ones or she would have ditched him years ago. So in terms of looks and income this guy is well above average. Yet her first impression on meeting him was that he was an “ordinary guy”. This shows how distorted her perception of what an “ordinary guy” must be.

  94. Novaseeker says:

    This shows how distorted her perception of what an “ordinary guy” must be.

    Well, but that is pretty normal. For most women who are 4+ in attractiveness, the “cutoff” of guys who are even on the radar screen at all when it comes to relationships and/or sex is right around the midpoint, so 50th percentile or so of the population of men overall. What that means is that guys below that are recognized as being male, in a vague sense, but are not at all even under any kind of consideration sexually or emotionally — they are literally off the radar screen and “don’t count” when women are evaluating men. That is, women don’t evaluate a man against the entire pool of men, they evaluate a man against the pool of men who are on the radar screen — so only about 50% of men.

    Within that 50% that is on the radar screen, obviously the guys around the 50th overall percentile are the lowest on the totem pole, and are considered barely acceptable, but inferior to everyone else in the market. The guys who are in the 75th percentile overall are in the middle of the radar screen pool, and are considered “ordinary guys” because they are in the middle of the radar screen pack. And the guys who are 85th percentile and up are considered the “attractive guys”, because they are at the top of the radar screen pool (and also at the top of the overall pool). The key to understanding this is that the bottom 50% of men in the overall pool simply “do not count” — they are not at all on the radar screen of women when it comes to even evaluating men at all, they are simply disregarded.

    So this guy who may be above average in the overall pool is considered to be an ordinary guy because he is in the middle of the radar screen pool, meaning among the men who are even in consideration, he is “average”.

  95. @Novaseeker

    Agreed. An average looking guy to most young women today is waaayy above average in the looks department. I am starting to see a “dating down” more and more of late in my city. A well above average looking guy dating a woman who is much lower in looks than him.

    Okay…..you might say….real love doesn’t care…and there may be a truth in some of these cases.
    The problem arises now that men like myself who are “below” the 50% mark in looks now are being forced off the market because women are all dating up…and there are not enough women dating across or down.

    Not that I am losing sleep over this, its a truth I have know for quite awhile…

  96. Opus says:

    Maybe others can do better but all I have managed to find on Wayback Machine is her essay where she writes about ‘Pat’ – I can only assume that is not his real name. He is the guy she was ‘friends’ with throughout college and to whom she lost her virginity (although she also claims to have previously slept with his room-mate). “It was painful and confusing I didn’t like it” is what she says of the experience. Pat was always there for her when she was lonely in fact appears to have taken the role of the hapless Beta orbiter. I also managed to find at Wayback a photo of two of them – self-taken by him I supposed – where she is lieing on the ground her left arm outstretched he resting the back of his head on her outstretched upper arm. She has a certain look on her face but I can’t quite put into words what the expression reveals – cat with cream perhaps but not quite. He is blond and good looking (we only see the upper part of his face) but there is no other sign of physical contact between the pair of them – he merely using her as a pillow – and my first thought was gggggaaayyy. Gay or not she seems to have been more of a Fag-Hag to Pat and his room-mate than anything else. Why I wonder did she not have one or more girlfriends to whom she could pour out her heart. I suppose we will never know and I suspect further that her Blog was highly selective – for literary effect.

  97. God Is Laughing says:

    She can delete the posts, but she can’t delete the feelings, the experiences and the consequences.

    Do you want to bet Earl? The delusion just needs to stretch a bit more. Of course she’s nuts….

  98. earlthomas786 says:

    ‘Do you want to bet Earl? The delusion just needs to stretch a bit more. Of course she’s nuts….’

    She was pretty in depth with her first. No amount of delusion makes that go away.

  99. Devon35 says:

    So are the young guys in the 80% that’s ignored by women going to spend year after year getting nothing with online dating or are they going to find other things to do with their life?

  100. Dave II says:

    @Novaseeker, that was brilliant. I knew women disregard the men that they aren’t attracted to but hadn’t gone so far as to see how it resulted in deflating the true value of other men.

    @seventiesjason and @devon35, men no longer have to accept their given place in this heirarchy thanks to game. However, when it comes to some women, being disregarded is actually dodging a bullet.

  101. rocko says:

    @Boxer:

    Thanks to your reply man. Ive been busy, what with the freezing weather and all, but i can finally reply and elaborate more on my story.

    Now, in my original post, i mentioned paying back $3300 to Jared to for said engagement ring. What i didnt mention was that that wasnt the original price. I actually paid $1800 back in 2007. And believe it or not, that was the cheapest ring i could find. My ex fiancee actually wanted one worth $4000 but i talked her off of it. So the $3300 was after interests and penalties and other charges. And on top of it all, the collection agency had actually been looking for me to serve me a subpoena. Yep, i was about to go to court and get sued if i didnt start paying back the ring. So i paid it off, and in fact i just finished this year, 10 years later. And also, she lost it while on a trip to Vegas, where she went to a beauty convention she and her twin sister had to attend or else they couldnt get their cosmetology licenses renewed (which, btw, i had to pay for the airline tickets, and her sister had to carry her son, who was a toddler, because she didnt want to leave him behind). Turns out, my brother’s now ex wife who also happened to be a hairdresser told me it was bullcrap, there was no such requirement.

    And now? After i broke up the engagement, she hooked up with some emo looking guy two weeks after our breakup. She was already in her 30s and this guy was 5 years younger than her, which it didnt surprise me, since she actually was dating a guy 10 years older than her, who she dumped to be with me. Turns out the guy was married and had two kids of his own and he dumped his wife for my ex. Also, she had this guy as her “friend” even while we were still dating, so considering the modern definition of “friend”, ill leave it up to you to figure out what was really happening. She also ran away with this guy to Vegas apparently to get married, which didnt happen, got pregnant by this guy twice, and last i heard, they had just gotten engaged. And on top of it all, last year, my ex mother in law actually tried to friend me on Facebook, which i predictably declined. My best guess is, homeboy was mistreating her daughter and she was trying to get me to play white knight. That’s partly because there were rumors of the guy cheating on her.

    As for me. Ive dated for these past five years, but nothing serious. Mostly, im still going through relationship burnout, and trying to restructure my finances, which took a giant hit. I was finally able to liquidate my debt and was able to gift me a truck, which i plan to use for a variety of side hustles. I also was able to start a 401k plan and i was able to get my own place, and start investing in silver and soon, gold, all after 10 years of waiting. Which led me to a conclusion: modern women are a big burden on society. Just like the woman on this article. It’s amazing how a big time and money waste these women are. Esentially, parasites. And while i agree with Boxer that other men have fared worse, like the poor dumbass enganged to this woman, $3300 is still a significant amount of money. I could have used that on a dwon payment on a vehicle, or on a house. I could have set it aside on a reitrement fund such as a 401k or a trust fund for my future children. I could have bought gold or silver, which considering in 2007 gold was around $700 per oz and silver was around $13 per oz, and considering both current prices and the price explosion of 2011, when silver reached $41 per oz, and gold was at a ridiculous $1800+ per oz., that was a missed opportunity at making a bit of wealth.

    And so, now we see why men were always encouraged to marry later in the first place. Mostly to aqcuire wealth and resources, but also to aqcuire something more valuable, which is wisdom and maturity. And with the state of marriage and the concept of MGTOW gaining momentum, it’s more imperative than ever for young studs to realize this and try not to screw up just like most of us did. Now, in another post, i mentioned me going MGTOW by necesssity. Which means, im still open to marriage, should the opportunity arise, however, i also have to assume that i might never marry and have children, which will be a huge dissapointment for me if it never happens, but i might not want to risk it. Plus, im in my 30s, and while as a man it certainly doesnt affect me as much as it does a woman, age can also be a factor for us men. I definately dont want to start having children in my later 30s/ early 40s, when i wont have the physical shape, stamina, or the will to raise kids, not to mention, it would be cruel to have children, only for the possibility of death or disability happening, thus leaving them at risk. And it’s sad that many men are going MGTOW, but what choice do they have? As long as they’re “manning up” for their own sake and those around them and not leeching off others, so be it. Let these women alone with their dramas, their debt, their children, and their cats. We’re good.

  102. Son of Liberty says:

    feeriker says:
    December 30, 2017 at 9:18 am

    I agree with Boxer. This man should be warned, if at all possible.

    To be brutally frank, I doubt it would do any good. This woman displays more bright red flags than a People’s Liberation Army parade through the center of Beijing. Any man who can’t see this woman for the complete train wreck that she is probably can’t be reasoned with.

    Ha! The 6th senses one acquires upon taking the pill, or simply following the Bible.

  103. Devon

    I can’t speak for most of the younger set and I won’t deny “true love does happen” and people do meet without ‘settling hard’ or riding the ‘carousel’

    With that said 🙂

    A lot of ‘average joes’ out there have not accepted the truth and fact that they are indeed ‘average’. They will swallow half-baked lies from women, PUA’s and other men who are better looking; and they will be given a “there there” and a “pat on the back” with encouragement…..told the long, long list of just “being yourself” and just having “confidence”

    They will try online dating, take all kinds of advice, they will work out, they will change, they will not change, they will do anything women, the experts, the pulpit, and fellow men who are “good” with women tell them……….and the painful truth of “just not being good looking enough” on a cultural standard usually takes awhile to sink in.

    Life indeed goes on after this acceptance.

    True love happens. Nice men and women do meet and marry.

    The way the culture is now entering hyperspace……any man over the age of 40 who has never been married, probably will never do so. A man with a poor or non-existent dating life in his twenties should to his own sake….wake up and accept truths about himself.

    There is a whole world out there to explore, grow with………hobbies to master, skills to learn and a life to live……………without women

  104. earlthomas786 says:

    However, when it comes to some women, being disregarded is actually dodging a bullet.

    Yup, I’ve had first hand experience with that.

  105. Son of Liberty says:

    seventiesjason says:
    December 30, 2017 at 11:39 am
    Not that I am losing sleep over this, its a truth I have know for quite awhile…

    Those conclusions could be derived from the cultural matrix here in the States. I wonder if you could have said the same thing if you spend 6 months in Eastern Europe/Russia? 😀

  106. earlthomas786 says:

    Yet her first impression on meeting him was that he was an “ordinary guy”. This shows how distorted her perception of what an “ordinary guy” must be.

    That’s what happens when women sleep with losers…she even mentioned her expectaions were lowered because of it. So now even a male who I think most guys around here would say is above average given what we got to go off of to her is fairly ordinary.

    And understand this perception is because of her and her hardened heart…not because of anything he did.

  107. earlthomas786 says:

    And I doubt she ever will…but she should be having feelings of gratitude and thanks that at 37 with her past, her baggage, her personality, and her bad attitude towards men that a fairly decent guy still wants to marry her.

  108. Devon35 says:

    I’m in my forties but I knew when I was 21 that I wasn’t a guy that women generally found attractive. Deep down I suspect most guys know at this age if they are in that 20% and that LOOKS MATTERS despite the constant barrage of “want a nice guy” nonsense. There was an obese woman at church that was interested and I knew this is the type of girl that is available to me. No thanks. Since I’m an introvert it wasn’t too painful to opt out.

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  110. Westray says:

    Sex/attraction with a ‘series of (obvious) losers’ is an awfully effective way for Western women to confirm and maintain their disappointment in men and keep their lifeblood (feminism/misandry) a healthy red.

  111. CSI says:

    There would have been one common factor with all the men she dated/screwed before her husband. Not looks, although some would have been very good looking, which is how she could describe hubby as ordinary looking when she first met him.

    The common factor would have been excitement, drama, a hint of danger. That’s why she described them as “losers”. To a disinterested observer, they would be losers. Like “unemployed pot smoker”, who she wasn’t even physically attracted to apparently, but had the exciting bad boy edge which is her primary selection criteria in men. She seems to have a low boredom threshold and a high need for drama.

  112. @Devon

    I discovered this a little later in my own life……….I’m not sayin that “confidence” and the like do not matter. It does matter. However to have that initial attraction….and especially today……….if you are not in the upper areas of the looks department……for the most part you are going to be singing commercial jingles.

    Yes Mr. Rogers / Sesame Street we all know it’s what is on the inside the counts. I know, I know……only a few trillion videos, and blogs telling me “looks don’t matter” but in the end, they do matter. Yes “pretty christian girl” I know you only want a guy who loves “Jesus more than anything” and “we’re all equal in God’s eyes because he made us all” ; but in that sense the “good looking” guys seemed to have been blessed “a wee bit more” or somehow by a roll of the dice…….just got lucky.

    I quit asking almost a decade ago. All this good advice coming from people way better looking than me, and all this advice being “freely given” from folks who never had a problem getting a date.

    You can argue about “i just have not met the right person” or “God has an amazing plan for my life” but at this point I know the score and reality. I am lucky to be living in the USA, and I came through my addictions with most of my brain cells still functioning, holding me at an average IQ still. I have skills and abilities many don’t have……and I don’t need awards, gold-stars or church approval for my works. I can speak a dead language fluently and have many hobbies that bring me happiness.

    Devon. I turn 48 in 2018…..and its an unexpected adventure. I mean, my mother (RIP) was my age I am now when I was just starting grad school. Men like you and I are in uncharted waters (sure, there was always that bachelor in every generation who did not father children…..but its really opening up now……..

    Men like us are gonna have to be the guides for some of the younger set in these matters, and it will have to be us. A married man with children, a player, a serial dater “won’t” get it. We will. It can be frightening, confusing and can lead to many other self destructive behaviors………

    I will not be shamed for my physical appearance…..something I could not help from birth……and I will no longer (and have not for a long time now) lost sleep over what “the cool kids” have. KTF

  113. Spike says:

    These women epitomise what I’ve been saying about the modern marriage-age woman for a long time:
    All of them have the same story.
    All of them think they’re special.
    All of them have a massive trail of human wreckage trailing behind them.
    All of them have made idiotic choices.

    If you try pointing this out Dalrock – as the commentator on the blog did, using to effect the words you said –
    “There is no sense of what in the world am I doing having sex with one loser after another? The only question is, what is wrong with these men, don’t they know they are failing to impress me? ”

    -you will be labelled a hateful, bigoted judgemental hater who deserves disrespect, exposure and humiliation.
    And the “telling the grandkids” bit is women’s warped sexual pride. They love to snoop into their teenage children’s sex lives, hide aforesaid sex lives from the fathers of these children, orchestrate losses of virginity.
    Frequently they boast that “they had more partners before marriage than [father]” – a massive act of disrespect.
    I will profile Diary of Why’s fiancé: He will be younger than her by a significant margin (5-7 years), be paid less than her or less qualified, have liberal, progressive, leftist values (so he won’t judge her or be a threat) and will be blue-pill naieve. He won’t do his sums and run his numbers. She will probably keep him distracted with the best sex of his life. She will do this right up until she no longer needs him – this can be after children are born – and then his turn is over.

  114. feeriker says:

    She seems to have a low boredom threshold and a high need for drama.

    Doesn’t that describe 99.9999 percent of all Western women?

  115. feeriker says:

    She will do this right up until she no longer needs him – this can be after children are born –

    Dear God, PLEASE don’t let this wretched creature reproduce.

  116. feeriker says:

    Why are you so angry, men of the “manosphere?”

    No words exist to adequately describe that kind of solipsistic cluelessness.

  117. earlthomas786 says:

    No words exist to adequately describe that kind of solipsistic cluelessness.

    Especially since the only reason she thought men were mad at her was because she was 31 (at that time) and single.

    ‘So, look, I realize the mere fact that I am 31 and single and a woman is personally offensive to many of you, for reasons I am only beginning to try to understand. But if I am going to try to understand you, I hope you will try to understand me, too. I know it’s hard, because as a woman I am completely irrational. (Giggle giggle, eyelash flutter.) But let’s still try to understand each other. Please know that me being single has nothing to do with you, either individually or as a sex.’

    I think the only person who was offended she was 31 and single was Rachel. The irrational part is she didn’t hold up a mirror.

  118. Original Laura says:

    Writing a blog under her real name which reveals all of her sexual adventures shows an inability to anticipate the changes that life will inevitably bring in the future. People who can’t appreciate that they may later regret a tattoo or naked photographs, etc., generally seem to be awful at handling money, careers, etc. If you can’t anticipate that an eventual spouse will be embarrassed to be married to a woman who has publicly outed herself as a slut, what chance is there that you will anticipate a need to save for retirement? If she can’t understand that her husband is put off by her past, will she also fail to understand that her husband would be devastated if she commits adultery?
    The blog, and the sexual history it documents, indicates a “You Only Live Once” mindset that is a major stumbling block on the path of lifetime matrimony.

    When I was young, I was inclined to give people “the benefit of the doubt,” because “nobody is perfect.” But as time goes on it becomes clearer and clearer that the truth is more often that “when it rains, it pours.” When you discover that somebody has one awful character flaw, it is often just a matter of time until you discover that there are numerous other character flaws, and an absence of redeeming character traits.

    A marriage represents a fresh start for both parties, and I hope that they will form a lasting union, but there is no doubt that the bride has some big red flags.

  119. rocko says:

    ‘So, look, I realize the mere fact that I am 31 and single and a woman is personally offensive to many of you, for reasons I am only beginning to try to understand. ”

    Hopefully she reads all of this. Look miss, we are not offended at all. However, most of us are frustrated by your attitude towards relationships, how you think it’s ok to just screw around and waste men’s time and resources, and then expect us to take care of you. However, we are not offended for one reason and one reason alone: you live your life how you want to, so do we. Women like you didn’t want to consider marrying one of us because we didn’t match up to your expectations, so now we don’t think you match ours. And because you wanted to defy the laws of nature, now you have the decision of either marrying a man you may not really want, or be single and bitter. Not us. So to speak, the ball is in our court now. And look, I can speak on behalf of many men in this forum and in society in general when I say most of us have emotional and moral baggage from our pasts. We are definitely not saints, but at least at some point were have realized where we have strayed, we have done penitence for our wrongs, and we are back on track. Not you. You don’t have a sense of integrity or a moral compass. At some point it will be too late, and even those who sympathized with you will turn away from you.

  120. Opus says:

    Are we perhaps being a little hard on Rachel. She was fed the usual you-go-grrrl stuff about needing a clutch of degrees whereafter a hire-powered career and marriage to a top guy was as much as inevitable, but as we see after some teaching she has drifted into a routine office job somewhere in Maryland (just outside D.C. I’d guess) – the sort of job which when I was younger would be filled by seventeen-year-olds straight out of school – and somehow married that big clod of a guy Simon. He is (though he does not know it) a little out of her league and probably too good for her.

    Rachel may well be the sort of girl who throws herself at men and then finds that they quickly move on rather than themselves being on the receiving end of the dismissal. There are women like that, who for whatever reason do not have whatever it is that persuades a man to do such insanely daft things such as agreeing to be responsible for her and any children she may produce for the rest of his natural life. Or it may be as she says in her blog that she comes across as a sarcy bitch and men vanish.

    She is a victim of the modern world; rootless, single and promiscuous, seeking validation from her blog groupies and from therapists who are happy to relieve her of her modest earnings and the crazies (read attractive guys) at whom she throws herself.

  121. CSI says:

    No, the men criticizing her weren’t offended by her. They were just amused by her self-delusion that she wanted to get married, and it was just “bad luck” that she wasn’t married by that point.

    Actually I don’t even think she was that deluded. Probably it was all an act to get attention and clicks. Its obvious that she spent her 20s and early 30s in short term relationships with exciting bad boys who were extremely unlikely to propose marriage. She didn’t get many, or any offers, of marriage because she carefully avoided the sort of men who would have offered to marry her. She simply wasn’t interested in marriage. If she were, she could have found a husband very easily. Surely she must have realized this?

  122. Dota says:

    Dalrock, I think my comments aren’t going through. Anyhow here it is again:

    As somebody else already pointed out, he is too good for her. A tall, educated white man would clean up in east Asia. I know this as a guy who has travelled East Asia and has gotten a lot of attention from women (and I’m not even white). Why are men who are coveted by billions of women around the world settling for post wall low quality sluts like Rachel? It truly boggles the mind.

    What’s also depressing is that low quality women like Rachel feel entitled to such men. If she had even the slightest modicum of shame, she would thank whatever god she believed in for bestowing his bounty on such an unworthy individual. But not the solipsistic western skank!

    The reason I was so adamant about warning her husband to be is because I want to correct an injustice – a degenerate skank like her doesn’t deserve the status and validation of marriage to a decent man.

    There isn’t going to be one big cosmic battle between good and evil where good will finally prevail. If we are to re-take society, then we must constantly win small skirmishes like this one which will add up in the end.

    I’ve been unable to locate this guy yet, but perhaps someone on here is willing to give it a go.

  123. Dave says:

    I’ve been unable to locate this guy yet, but perhaps someone on here is willing to give it a go.

    What good would it do to locate him? I hope you’re not trying to tell him not to marry Rachel? If so, you might want to give it a rest. The horse has since left the barn.
    Barring divine intervention, the two will be pronounced “man and wife”. Our only hope is that God, who knows how to make something good out of nothing, will bring something good out of this mess.

  124. westray says:

    Agreed Dota. Only on our isolated island of North America could a woman who doesn’t even crack the top two billion internationally get to score a tall, masculine American lawyer. And she’s rolling her eyes over it the whole time. If an earthquake shook the world back to a one continent Pangaea, doughy Anglo women pushing forty with terrible attitudes would have to pair off with 5′ tall New Guinean tribesmen. The lack of knowledge and discussion on this drives me nuts. We are SO MUCH better than they are on international terms. The percentage of men who have no idea about this fact always boggles my mind.

  125. Devon35 says:

    @Jason

    I would tell young guys to read this site and Rollo’s site. They have explained what’s going on better than I could. Many of the young guys around the office have so much student loan debt that they are working two jobs to keep their head above water and aren’t thinking about dating. I know it’s been discussed here but I don’t see many guys that will have the financial means to fulfill the Beta role in their 30’s.

  126. feeriker says:

    Actually I don’t even think she was that deluded. Probably it was all an act to get attention and clicks.

    This. The VERY worst thing any man can do is ignore a woman, or act indifferently toward her. That will unhinge her faster than anything else.

    Dota asks:

    Why are men who are coveted by billions of women around the world settling for post wall low quality sluts like Rachel? It truly boggles the mind.

    I”ve said this many times before, but the answer, maddening as it is, is that most American men are either lazy or xenophobic. They either can’t be bothered to learn a foreign language and spend time abroad, or they are actively repelled by the idea. Either way, they’re cutting themselves off from an ocean of quality women the likes of which they stand almost no chance of finding at home in North America. In other words, they’d rather drink from the sewer because it requires less effort than seeking out the spring.

  127. Dave II says:

    “Any man who can’t see this woman for the complete train wreck that she is probably can’t be reasoned with.”

    I think this right here is the problem. We are constantly trying to reason with the other side. This is not a problem that will be solved by reasoning alone. They need to be influenced first, then reasoned with later. By the time we’re reasoning with them they should already believe whatever we’re about to tell them will help them and is the correct way to see things.

    Feminists won the day because they positioned their ideology in the influential spheres, starting with academia. This achieved at least 2 things:

    1) It lent them the credibility rightfully reserved for hard sciences where concepts are rigorously tested and proven before being accepted. Thus, they could circumvent proper methodology designed to prove/disprove the validity of their ideas and just skip to the end where they are seen as correct.
    2) It gave them access to the elites in business and politics who could in turn wield their significant influence and resources to both spread their ideology and help entrench them into law.

    If you actually look into feminist reasoning there isn’t much there that can withstand even a single instance of debate. First they tell you the points they believe as far as they’ve actually figured it out, then when you corner them they launch into character attacks by means of labelling (e.g. racist, sexist, etc.) – or simply withdraw. Anyone who’s had enough arguments knows these are tactics used by the losing side as a last-ditch attempt to save face and end the argument with some semblance of dignity. And it is used only when they know they can’t counter your points, otherwise they would be countering your points.

    The fact is humans are creatures primarily driven by emotion. We do not what we think we should but what we feel like doing. I can almost guarantee this fiancee, if we reach him, will consider our points, maybe doubt his choice a little, but then his feelings will overwhelm him and he’ll snap right back to her side, forgive her past, convince himself that she’s different know (the male hamster – courtesy of the blue pill, allergic to the red) and marry her anyway. If the snap-back is hard enough he may even turn on the very people who tried to save him, in a show of Super-White-Knightery.

    Every time the MRM engages the other side I see them throwing facts. The other side responds with influence tactics (labels, for a start). It’s about time we understood that this is why the MRM is still not on top. It’s like fighting with spears against a side armed with Kalashnikovs.

    Not to say we shouldn’t use reason. I’m saying that reason should be the last tactic we use. After the war is won.

  128. Gunner Q says:

    Opus @ 6:00 pm:
    “Are we perhaps being a little hard on Rachel.”

    No repentance, no forgiveness. That comes straight from God.

    Dota @ 7:26 pm:
    “Why are men who are coveted by billions of women around the world settling for post wall low quality sluts like Rachel?”

    Because they don’t want to abandon their friends and family to immerse themselves in a completely foreign culture just to get their dicks wet. Because they have an informed and justifiable fear that foreign women are sexually attracted to American passports rather than the American nerds holding them. Because if a foreign woman at her sexual peak is willing to abandon her entire life and people to follow a near-stranger into North American wedlock then there’s probably something wrong with her. Because we’re already experiencing the destructive and long-lasting consequences of not keeping the races of humanity separated.

    And for the sexually immoral, because even if you’re willing to risk getting a social disease then you shouldn’t risk getting a social disease in Bangkok.

  129. Dave II says:

    @ Dota: “Why are men who are coveted by billions of women around the world settling for post wall low quality sluts like Rachel? It truly boggles the mind.”

    That’s easy. These men

    a) Don’t know how coveted they are by these billions, or maybe don’t care (I can understand that – we tend to be attracted to people who are like us), and

    b) Are not aware that the pool of women they’re looking to consists of, as you say, “post wall low quality slut[s]”. They may be aware of an issue with age but that’s about it. The concept of the wall isn’t even on their mental radar, let alone the consequences.

    It’s called being blue-pilled.

  130. Novaseeker says:

    The foreign woman option will always be a very minority report for obvious reasons.

  131. SkylerWurden says:

    The foreign women thing is a joke. The vast majority of men do not have the available time nor the financial means to move to a totally foreign country and court some girl. Given the natural problems already inherent in dating/marriage, you would be wise to spend even more time and be even more careful with a foreign girl before you brought her home for marriage. It’s not like she brings her home country’s divorce laws with her.

    If we’re talking about pure fucking… Even id you are into that, you can get plenty of that here. Too ugly? Buy escorts. What’s the problem, if you’re fucking you’re fucking. If you have a moral problem with fucking then a three week East Asia tour is good for the history and not much else. If you’re successful enough to travel the world looking for a wife, you’re probably successful enough to score a good wife here, and if not… Well then bully for you, you belong to the .01% of men that can take advantage of the ‘foreign girls are better’ trope.

  132. westray says:

    “The foreign women thing is a joke”

    Well, there you go. Suit yourself brother. I’ve seen girls alone in Latin American clubs, crying after being ignored all night, who would so easily be the talk of the town, oneitis magnets, in fatass USA, but if you say it’s joke then it must be so.

    I’m tempted to go waaaayyy out on a limb and guess that you haven’t spend much time, if any, overseas.

    I see this response all the time; “Unless foreign women are a 100% failsafe, perfect option every time, then they should be entirely dismissed.”

    “I know a guy whose Colombian wife cheated on him, so forget that. I’ll stick with 190 pound McKayla, thank you very much.”

  133. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    earlthomas, I doubt she ever will…but she should be having feelings of gratitude

    True. Ironically, she will instead feel ingratitude. A sense of being cheated by life. That such an Amazingly Awesome Woman as her should have settled for such a boring nobody. All those years of kissing frogs, and this was the best she could find.

  134. Dave II says:

    “All those years of kissing frogs, and this was the best she could find.”

    As the popular saying goes, “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.”

    The modern indoctrinated woman goes around kissing frog after frog and expecting one of them to turn into a prince. When she doesn’t, she calls all the FROGS crazies.

    It’s like history is being written by sitcom writers.

  135. Dota says:

    (Still having issues with my comments getting through)

    I think some of you have misunderstood what I was trying to say. I’m not calling for wide scale miscegenation nor am I calling for white men to quit their homelands. I was just pointing out the injustice of men who are clearly high quality (by global standards) being forced to settle with extremely low quality women at home. I’m not just talking about low quality on the SMV scale, but even on the scales of ethics, personal integrity, and loyalty. We live in a global world and so comparisons on a globe-wide scale are going to be made.

    Dating in North America is like working in a sweatshop – high effort required, low returns, all the while everyone tells you that you’re lucky to have a job. I’m certain that even now there are several people telling Simon that he’s lucky to have a garbage woman like Rachel.

    I think this guy should be warned. We have no right to tell him what he should or should not do with his life, but he deserves a fair warning. If he chooses to not heed it, then we shake the dust of our feet and leave him to his fate.

    @ Gunner Q
    Because they have an informed and justifiable fear that foreign women are sexually attracted to American passports rather than the American nerds holding them.

    Wrong. I’ve personally met several Americans who are happily married to their Chinese wives and are living in China. They show no inclination to move back. In China, they have high status which makes them desirable to lots of women and also keeps their own wives attracted to them.

    Because if a foreign woman at her sexual peak is willing to abandon her entire life and people to follow a near-stranger into North American wedlock then there’s probably something wrong with her.

    Women are supposed to follow their men. “Your people will be my people and your God shall be my God.”

    Because we’re already experiencing the destructive and long-lasting consequences of not keeping the races of humanity separated.

    Agree 100%, no argument there.

  136. SkylerWurden says:

    I’ve seen girls alone in Latin American clubs, crying after being ignored all night, who would so easily be the talk of the town, oneitis magnets, in fatass USA, but if you say it’s joke then it must be so.

    And I’m sure that Latina in ‘the club’ is just dying to come marry my janitor ass. For sure dude. Let me just run down to Latin America right quick and spend God only knows how much time and money on the anecdotal evidence that virginal, hot, Latinas in ‘the club’ are eating their hearts at the lack of me in their lives.

    That’s why its a joke. How in the world is average American male supposed to spend 6-8 months in a foreign country courting a woman? Especially when the entire thing is based on the words of some dude on the internet? In what world would that be considered a wise investment?

    I’m tempted to go waaaayyy out on a limb and guess that you haven’t spend much time, if any, overseas.

    Uh… Yeah. That’s my point. Going overseas is expensive and time consuming, and since I am not interested in random sex, or marrying the club-ho of some other country, any three week trip I could take (which would end up costing roughly a tenth of my annual income at minimum) would basically be a sight-seeing expedition. So yeah, for me and for the vast majority of young American men, the ‘foreign girls are better’ trope is a joke. It’s not a realistic option.

    I see this response all the time; “Unless foreign women are a 100% failsafe, perfect option every time, then they should be entirely dismissed.”

    “Hot, virginal girls are just dying to meet you and become your submissive Christian wife! They just happen to live thousands of miles away, live in a foreign country, speak a totally different language, come from a totally different culture…”

    Give me a break.

  137. Opus says:

    Off Topic (but you won’t find this anywhere else on the Net – at least from me)

    I have found a curious difference or is it a similarity between America and England indeed possibly America and Europe because I think the Germans (who must here stand-in for Europe) are also much into what I will describe as well as would hardly be surprising for such an FKK nation. Subject to being informed I am mistaken, this is it:

    In America perfectly normal young females and for no reason that I can grasp put on a costume (rather like a Superheroine costume) and then at sporting events prance up and down the touchline kicking their legs indecently. This to my knowledge is unknown in England. Were a group of Cheer-Leaders for that I am informed is their collective identification to try that at an English soccer match there would be wolf-whistles and a cry for them to get their kit off accompanied by a certain irritation at women ruining the atmosphere. Soccer as one English soccer manager opined when asked whether Soccer was matter of life and death said that it was more important than that so you see how cheerleaders would not go down very well at all.

    England (and the Germans) have however gone one further and I do not see this as having any presence in America, namely Calendar Girls. We even made a film about it probably with Helen Mirren – my mother loved it. What happens is this: a group of middle-aged women have twelve photographs taken one for each month of the year where although they are completely naked they are decorously covered by pot plants or cakes or some other suitable object so although they are naked they remain decent – and the fun is to see which of these women (and there always is one) will deliberately fail to be properly positioned so that she will show something not decent. This has spread to sports clubs especially those associated with Universities for in England women are again for no reason I can divine intent on playing that most male of games Rugby and thus we now have young women often of a larger frame taking their clothes off in ever more risque poses. Women it seems when faced with a camera or even its possibility cannot stop themselves.

    I’d like to see that Rachel on a calendar.

  138. Novaseeker says:

    Opus —

    Cheerleaders come from high school and college athletics here. The “cheer squad” in high school and college is a quasi-athletic thing, complete with competitions and so on. Of course there’s a sexual element to it as well, obviously. I’ve always thought it rather makes sense to be parading female sexuality like that at the same time as male sexual virility is being paraded by the male athletes, many of whom are obvious physical specimens, at, say, a basketball or football game. (Note baseball has no cheerleaders.)

    Of course when it comes to professional sports, there isn’t an athletic competition element to it. It’s mostly women who were cheerleaders in HS and college and who just can’t get enough of the attention, or women who want to meet pro athletes for dating (yes, a number of relationships emerge between pro cheerleaders and the athletes they are cheering on). There are also a number of former collegiate cheerleaders who end up being “sideline reporters” for football and basketball broadcasts (i.e., pretty faces talking with athletes and coaches) who do the same thing, in terms of a number of them ending up in relationships with pro athletes.

  139. Opus says:

    Here is another difference which might intrigue this blog:

    I caught a short clip of Tracy Ullman (and I am shocked to discover that she is now middle-aged) in a sketch where she is being interviewed for a job. She is the ideal candidate and then she lets slip that she is a Christian. The interviewer become hesitant and asks his female assistant to come in. Ullman repeats the fact of her faith and asks whether that is a problem. They assure her that it is not. She leaves and then the interviewer and assistant breath a collective sigh of relief saying that they can do without nutcases like that. That put me in mind of the following: some years ago and in my presence, in an office, three or four middle-aged English women were looking at a C.V. from a prospective male employee (a lawyer) and in it he revealed that he was a committed Christian and (Jason take not) a Scout leader. Their collective response was the same as in the Ullman sketch – they did not want him to get the job and thus he didn’t..

    One might suppose that these middle aged women largely working or lower-middle class were not believers or even were avowed Atheists. I am pretty sure that was not the case and that when filling in any form would when asked their religion write CofE, were baptised, married and would be buried according to the the Anglican rite. This might perhaps seem strange to Americans; the explanation is this that in England it is considered embarrassing and inappropriate to discuss either at work or indeed play ones religious beliefs. The same applies to ones political affiliations and indeed ones sexual preferences. We don’t want to know.

  140. Lost Patrol says:

    (Note baseball has no cheerleaders.)

    Technically correct, yet they always find a way.

  141. Lost Patrol says:

    And lest Dalrock’s NHL fans feel slighted – Ice Girls.

  142. earlthomas786 says:

    Yeah Amercia has been leading the way for years to try and find more way to make women tramps.

  143. earlthomas786 says:

    Ironically, she will instead feel ingratitude. A sense of being cheated by life. That such an Amazingly Awesome Woman as her should have settled for such a boring nobody.

    And that’s why I think the bigger problem starts with the hearts of women, but they often don’t have the self-introspection to see it and think it’s all men’s fault for the state of their heart. Feminism and promiscuity basically harden them and then coat it in thick ice.

  144. earlthomas786 says:

    In other words, they’d rather drink from the sewer because it requires less effort than seeking out the spring.

    My retort would be you’d put in a lot of time, effort, and money to find that spring only to bring it into the land of sewage.

    The real effort that needs to be done is building a sewage treatment facility and trying to filter out all the sewage our springs have been getting pumped into for years.

  145. Opus says:

    On the subject of English discretion as to sexual preferences I recall: there was a chap we all knew who albeit as a mature student in his twenties attended a somewhat distant University. He returned one weekend and went round all the pubs (that we collectively frequented) for the sole purpose of informing us that his sexual proclivity was Homosexual. In short: he outed himself – but perhaps not with the effect that he either expected or intended, for:

    1. We did not want to know
    2. We said we did not believe it for he had never previously made any Gay advances*, but
    3. If it were true then he would previously been that way but we had never noticed and thus
    4. It being a matter of complete indifference to us we did not want to know.

    Back to Rachel: I notice that in the two non-engagement photos that I have seen she is in both of them wearing a ring on her left hand’s second finger. In the engagement photo that ring is missing. What could that earlier ring and its finger have signified?

    *I had once been in his room in the house wherein he lived (he, the tenant and friend of one of your countrymen no less – a man locally famous for bedding women and so perhaps an odd friendship) and no form of sexual innuendo or suggestion had been made.

  146. earlthomas786 says:

    Our only hope is that God, who knows how to make something good out of nothing, will bring something good out of this mess.

    It’s possible…but first Rachel would have to give up the atheism, being too independent for her own good, and keeping herself in her prison. If you read this…doesn’t this just scream Feminism 101?

    https://web.archive.org/web/20130704180400/http://www.diaryofwhy.com:80/2012/04/why-am-i-why-are-you-why-are-we.html

  147. earlthomas786 says:

    Without God, we can’t…without us, God won’t.

  148. Kevin says:

    I have met enough millennial men that are so pathetic that they might laugh with them.

    However these people lack math skills. They will never share these stories with their grandchildren because they will never have grandchildren. I work with elderly people often and even the baby boomers often don’t have grandchildren. The Gen X is going to be rare. If you whore about until you get married at 35-40 if you are lucky enough to have kids than your kids are not going to have kids until they are 35-40 – if they even do which they might not. Then you are 70-80. Your story might be funny when the grandkids are teenagers and you are dead.

    I once met a grandmother who was 32. That’s messed up. But becoming a grandmother at 80 is worse and that is the long term BEST outcome for these people.

    We were so much better off when people had shame for being sluts.

  149. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Former President George W. Bush was a cheerleader: https://www.buzzfeed.com/derekj/president-george-w-bush-was-once-a-cheerleader-r76?utm_term=.urVq59r8M#.fs4P79qnm

    I thought that was odd. I don’t know much about sports, but wouldn’t a male cheerleader be open to ridicule and even bullying?

  150. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    That Tracy Ullman Christian skit is on YouTube:

  151. RPL its more common on the college / university level to see male cheerleaders. Many of them are in very good shape. Sure….some probably bat for the other team……….but I knew one in grad school. By the end of the semester he had banged all the women on the squad

  152. westray says:

    Skyler Wurden,

    Your sarcastic bitterness and belittlement of a life that you have no access to has been amusing. It’s amazing how the human brain will scrap and claw win back its balance.

  153. JDG says:

    ‘So, look, I realize the mere fact that I am 31 and single and a woman is personally offensive to many of you, for reasons I am only beginning to try to understand.

    I’m thinking she might be confusing “personally offensive” with “a huge red flag”.

    …because as a woman I am completely irrational.

    Indisputably true.

    Please know that me being single has nothing to do with you, either individually or as a sex.

    Absolutely false, both individually and as a sex.

  154. freebird says:

    “Maybe she also deleted those posts because reading those might give her husband the idea she likes sex, and so he should be getting more than once or twice monthly uninspired starfish sex out of her.”

    Head shot

  155. earlthomas786 says:

    I have yet to see any evidence from the blog that she even likes sex.

    I have seen plenty where her attitude is pretty crummy.

  156. Opus says:

    @Earl

    How high would you estimate her N?

  157. feeriker says:

    I’m tempted to go waaaayyy out on a limb and guess that you haven’t spend much time, if any, overseas.

    You’re almost certainly correct here. Most Americans of either sex haven’t spent ANY time abroad (and no, a weekend in a Mexican border town or Canada does NOT count), yet that doesn’t seem to deter them from pontificating like experts on how fucked up every other part of the world is, or how predatory foreign women are – even though they’ve never met any, and even if they have, couldn’t speak Word One of her native tongue. That, incidentally works WONDERS at repelling “gold diggers.”

  158. feeriker says:

    Uh… Yeah. That’s my point. Going overseas is expensive and time consuming, and since I am not interested in random sex, or marrying the club-ho of some other country, any three week trip I could take (which would end up costing roughly a tenth of my annual income at minimum) would basically be a sight-seeing expedition. So yeah, for me and for the vast majority of young American men, the ‘foreign girls are better’ trope is a joke. It’s not a realistic option.

    Thank you, “ugly American,” for staying home and not making us have to explain to the lovely foreign women that not all American men are ignorant assholes.

  159. earlthomas786 says:

    I don’t know what it would be…her first story sounds like she didnt find it enjoyable. I just cant find much evidence that she enjoys a whole lot of things in life.

  160. Actually………..many of the Americans who DO go overseas are in fact “the ugly Americans”

    They actually have the time, the luxury, and the means to go live overseas. The US military behavior was overall deplorable when the GI’s were off duty while I was living in West Germany as an American exchange-student in 1986-1987.

    The Americans who were over on vacation as tourists were no better.

  161. JDG says:

    feeriker says:
    December 31, 2017 at 2:54 pm

    As someone who has been overseas and married someone from there (as you already know), I can attest to the validity of your comment.

    I am not interested in random sex, or marrying the club-ho of some other country…

    If you don’t want want to get involved with a “club-ho”, then don’t hang out where the ho’s hang out (brothels, bars, etc.). At least over there the “club-ho’s” aren’t the average run-of-the-mill girl you’re likely to meet AS IS the case here in your own neck of the woods.

  162. JDG says:

    I should have specified above that the partial quote:
    I am not interested in random sex, or marrying the club-ho of some other country…
    was from SkylerWurden.

  163. westray says:

    If a guy can’t go overseas, that’s just his lot. That doesn’t deter from the fact of what’s out there at all. It doesn’t make this knowledge any less valuable and essential; that males in the USA have the females completely outclassed, as in first to worst of 240 or so countries. Men need to know that, passport or not. Men need to know that for their own frame, integrity, peace of mind, confidence or whatnot. These de-feminized, growling, complaining, comically entitled, flaccid women, world renowned for being fat, are the world’s worst. American males are world dominant, wealthy, educated, tall, and live like kings. Whether or not a guy gets to go overseas does not alter that fact. Just because it’s not a realistic option for a guy doesn’t make it a ‘joke’ of useless information. It just means that it’s not an option, not any less true.

  164. Novaseeker says:

    His point is that the foreign woman option isn’t accessible to most men. Most men have neither the time nor the money to travel on wife hunting trips and learn foreign languages and cultures and so on.

    I have lived overseas twice for years at a time, doing the expat thing. I speak 4 foreign languages, 2 fluently, another passably, and a fourth in a very basic way. I have met many women in various cultures around the world, including quite a few non-Western ones, and have found that women are basically the same everywhere, the differences are simply cultural. Some of those cultural differences are significant, depending on the part of the world you’re in, but they are specific to that part of the world and that culture. When you bring a woman to the West, either the US or elsewhere in the West, you’re taking a substantial risk that she acculturates here and becomes like every other woman here, in this culture, because underneath that cultural formation, she’s the same female with the same drives, inclinations and the like. Does that mean that every woman a guy imports as a wife blows up on the guy? No, it doesn’t, but it does mean that it isn’t a silver bullet by any means — I have known a couple of situations, personally among colleagues, who have done this and have it blow up after several years … sometimes it takes 5-10 years until she acculturates, so it isn’t obvious at first, or maybe isn’t even happening at first, but there’s a substantial risk that it does happen, if you decide to live here. Every time? No. Big risk? Yes. And that’s a completely different risk than worrying about whether she is a passport hunter or a gold digger — even if she is neither of those, there is a significant risk that she acculturates over time and adopts the habits and behaviors of women in our culture.

    Living *there*, of course, is different. In my experience, again having lived overseas for years at a time on multiple occasions, the best way to approach the foreign woman angle is to live overseas where she is from and become a part of that culture — don’t just learn the language, acculturate yourself and live there permanently. This almost eliminates the risk of acculturation on her part to Western norms, because she’s remaining in her home culture, with its different cultural rules about gender roles and m/f relationships, divorce, and so on. Take her back here, however, very much at your own risk — again, in my observed experience, having been the international expat for significant parts of my adult life, and having observed male colleagues who tried it both ways with foreign women.

    In any case, however, Skyler was simply stating what is an obvious truth: most men don’t have the time, skills, or money to try a foreign wife scenario, so it’s kind of pointless preaching it at them, even if you are convinced it’s the way to go.

  165. JDG says:

    So yeah, for me and for the vast majority of young American men, the ‘foreign girls are better’ trope is a joke.

    Yeah it’s no joke and the number of guys who agree is growing.

  166. I lived in India (Madras) for 13 months in 1997, into early 1998 when I was with IBM. In Bombay, and Calcutta….the native Indian women were no different than their western counterparts attitude wise. They may have been more feminine looking, and more slender……….

    Out in the smaller cities and towns………sure, a more traditional women were around…..but they wanted a man who was Hindu. Marriages were arranged. It took time to “wed” one of these jewels.

    I found the British and Americans who were in India with me a bit more respectful in that country….prat of the reason was because it was the “third world”

    I remember one day the Indian Air Force out of the blue did an airstrike right outside Madras. We hit the deck………found out later it was a “terrorist group / camp / ammo dump” they hit. In the third world, the governments are just happy to have a semblance of control in the cities and towns…..outside these areas….the jackals eat placentas thrown from medical clinic windows…….the power is only on for a few hours a day. Middle class country folks live in mudlined homes. Cockroaches are huge. Water smells like diesel fuel (they sprayed the swamps with it to kill mosquitoes)

  167. earlthomas786 says:

    ‘that males in the USA have the females completely outclassed, as in first to worst of 240 or so countries.’

    That’s probably the main reason why foreign women would be more appealing…because western women are so far gone from anything feminine. However I would think once a foreign woman gets acclimated to the west she’ll start to espouse the same lousy attitude eventually.

  168. westray says:

    We all agree that it’s not an option for most guys. His bitterness and dismissiveness was what I responded to for the most part, or tried to.

    The same thing always happens; the guys who have been overseas are left stunned with how outclassed Western Anglos are by women around the world. Then they try to spread the word and are immediately hit with binary responses and are then held accountable for claiming to have found the silver bullet that must be 100% infallible or GTFO. But it shouldn’t happen that way. It’s just simply a better option, by far, though still far from perfect. The obesity alone makes it a far better option. Consider it as taking a twenty foot jumper with two defenders in your face versus taking a sixty footer. Two of my best buds married foreigners; a Russian who went nuts and a Korean who got fat and divorce-raped him. I’ve seen it all. I’ve lived overseas more than you have and I’ve seen all kinds of disasters between American men and their silver bullets. I STILL consider it a vastly superior option. In fact, the only option.

    These four things make our women a truly different species (if you want to include other spoiled Anglo females from Canada, UK, Aus, I certainly wouldn’t argue).

    1. Obesity
    2. Beta thirst (refer to number one) which leads to culture-wide begging and pedestalization which leads to massive female egos, even blown further off the scale by social media electronic dynamics.
    3. A culture that promotes female entitlement and blamelessness from EVERY angle; education, media, entertainment, gov’t funding, law, family, employment.
    4. The excellence of the males and our culture’s ignorance of it. Case in point; Rachel here who blogs about how unhappy she is with her tall, urban lawyer while being an international four.

  169. westray says:

    “However I would think once a foreign woman gets acclimated to the west she’ll start to espouse the same lousy attitude eventually.”

    Certainly happens quite a lot. I’m about the loudest voice here in favor of foreign women and I’ve seen that happen also. I just had an ex-gf from South America do a drunken, ridiculous, unasked for bikini modelling session on Messenger because her dutiful hubby was away hunting. What a pig. And I knew her in all her innocence twenty years ago. She turned into a drunken, spoiled, disloyal pig, no different than the pigs she’s spent 18 years partying with. It certainly happens. But at least it took awhile, better than starting out that way.

    It’s just that there’s a chance for a guy to steer a foreigner away from acculturating. There could be a form of foreign bride game in which you recruit her innate cattiness to recognize and criticize Western piggishness then get her invested in never becoming that.

    I’m done hogging the thread. Tried to throw in my two cents. An argument against NAWALT shouldn’t simply zing off to the binary end of the foreign wife option having to prove itself as 100% bulletproof in order for it to be valid.

    I’m not married and never will. My skin in the game is mostly that I just wish Anglo females had at least some inkling of how low grade they are, and that only geographic isolation allows them to have any kind of ego. Send Rachel to Eastern Europe and watch her fall head over heels lovesick for a fellow American expat “nice guy” who stays in shape and pulls 6 figures. All of a sudden she’s not barfing over the guy at all, but now making a smitten, desperate fool of herself as he heads off amused and shrugging with his international 9. This whole dynamic all comes down to 8-16 hour airplane rides. Just wish people knew that.

  170. earlthomas786 says:

    ‘My skin in the game is mostly that I just wish Anglo females had at least some inkling of how low grade they are, and that only geographic isolation allows them to have any kind of ego.’

    They dont have that inkling because they’ve been told they are princesses, they are awesome, and have been pedestalized with no merit since they were young. And if anything should come along to pop that ego…it’s a man’s fault.

    I doubt they would be scared of foreign women other than many look better than they do. They’ll still keep the bloated ego.

  171. Westry

    I think you were reading a little too much into his rant.

    Yes, I see it too. A guy comes back from Thailand, Columbia, Poland, Slovenia….

    And suddenly all men are “fools” compared to him because he had the options and luxury to live in a foreign country for an extended period…..have sex with “rare and exotic beauties” and returns to tel us all how much better the women, the culture, the food, the lifestyle, the people are than here

    Most men have the option of: work or starve in the USA…and those who do get to have a chance at foreign trip…..it’s usually no more than a few weeks tops. Most men do not have equal amounts of intelligence, looks, opportunity, inheirted wealth, social status to have the options you have had Westry in these matters. I consider myself priveed to have lived in two foreign countries and the opportunity to visit Canada once on a drunken weekend (ugly American) and the Bahamas for two weeks during spring break 1992, and 1993 (ugly American again)

    Look, a lot of men just don’t have that option.

  172. westray says:

    The thing is, he shouldn’t be ‘ranting’ in bittnerness over information that is not only valuable to us all, but is simply true. Either a guy can get overseas and indulge or, if not, he can at least laugh it off the next time a 190 pound, international two, rolls her eyes at his approach, without it being taken out of his own skin.

  173. Agreed that it is valuable…….probably true in most cases……….but understanding his “bitterness” I do get. Most American men will *never* have that option. That is also true.

    My uncle married a woman from Thailand in 1970 while he was in the USAF stationed in Ubon (loading bombs on American and Royal Thai bombers). At this point they have been married 47 years. Nothing yells louder than a Thai woman at 7am at her grand and great grand children. She also has bankrupted them twice over the decades for her “gambling” problem…..

    I also know a former co-worker from IBM who married a nice ” traditional Chinese girl” and three children later he’s living in his car paying alimony, child support and cannot even afford a studio apartment because of all of this.

    So yes……I living overseas, working there probably is different…….all this amazing booty being thrown at you and other men who do have the ability to do this might cause a tad bit of jealously and a bit of bitterness to what they have been handed

  174. JDG says:

    India is wrought with feminism much like the US.

    I agree that female hard-wiring is the same everywhere; however, what many forget is that this is not the only thing that contributes to her behavior. Her environment AND her upbringing are also major factors.

    In addition, what her parents think is a huge factor (if it’s not then you have another huge red flag).

    As far as anecdotal accounts go, here is a brief summary of mine:

    After much vetting, a courting period that ended with our engagement, and lots of immigration navigation, my wife arrived and we soon married. Within a year she here in the States had established a network of female friends from over seas just from meeting them around town. As soon as these girls encountered someone from the Asia Pacific (Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam), they usually exchanged phone numbers. In addition to this, we already had a small network of friends from other churches I had met through church ministries and from her childhood friends and relatives already married to American men and living in the states.

    Within two years there were over 100 couples we were connected with where the wife was foreign born. Out of these only four divorces to this day, and oddly two of those were instigated by men who wanted to trade their wives for younger models (another odd thing is that both of those guys where being financially supported by those wives). Granted my anecdotal subset is most likely effected by a large number of Christian and Catholic families and by the fact that most of these couples were married more than 10 years ago (as were my wife and I), but two females out of over 100 couples initiating the divorce has got to count for something.

    Furthermore, these women treat their men way better than the way I’ve seen most women born in the states treat their men. Many guys here probably don’t even know what it’s like to be respected BECAUSE your a man. Many these days probably don’t know what it’s like to be intimate with a woman that is feminine and doesn’t talk down to them, but I personally know quite a few who do know what it’s like (I tell you it’s a feminists nightmare).

    I will agree that ALL “marriage” in Western countries is a substantial risk. That is largely due to the fact that there is no such thing as genuine marriage in these countries, and the snowflakes here are ENCOURAGED to divorce. Genuine biblical marriage has literally been outlawed. However, if you are going to marry in spite of the insane odds against you, 20% divorce rates (foreign wife rates) are better odds than the 50% +/- rates of the local man hating ex carousel riders most men stateside will have to choose from.

    One more thing is that I suspect that the “nice girl” window is closing overseas as Western influence infects those countries via mass media and US foreign aid with feminist strings attached. My wife tells me that though still a large majority, the number of sensible women over there is shrinking.

  175. Anon says:

    These four things make our women a truly different species (if you want to include other spoiled Anglo females from Canada, UK, Aus, I certainly wouldn’t argue).

    This, in fact, proves the foreign women aren’t that great either. Why?

    Because if they were, they would flood into the Anglosphere to get all the money and better men that are to be had.

    In the US, since 70-80% of government spending is a transfer from men to women, the average adult women gets $40K/year (and this is just direct resources) in some form or the other from the government. Individual results vary, of course, from women who get very little, all the way up to Sheryl Sandberg. But in most middle-income countries, not only does the average MAN earn just $10,000/yr or so, but few jobs are available to women at all, and those are usually low status.

    It makes astronomically good financial and marital sense for attractive women from EE/LatAm/SE Asia to come here by the millions. But they don’t.

    Women are so pathetic in economic thought that even this massive arbitrage opportunity does not inspire them to flood into the Anglosphere. There is no industry where an uncompetitive company earning so much will not attract competition, but with women, it is true.

    America is, arguably, no better for a man than Mexico, Thailand, or Poland, since here there are millions of men who have to fight the court system just to see their kids (a concept unheard of outside of the Anglosphere). But for women, the benefits are so astronomically high that if women were capable of proactive thought, this imbalance would correct quickly.

  176. Anon says:

    I keep trying to post a link from Blackdragon about how marrying a non-Western woman does not work unless you stay in her country permanently.

    The comment is not getting posted.

  177. Anon says:

    Summary of my long comment above :

    If women overseas are so much better, then why are they not coming here to outcompete local twats? The man should not have to go to EE/Latam/SE Asia.

    Russian woman, that too only a small number of them, seem to be the only women who have figured out how much more they are worth in the US than back home, and have taken action to benefit.

  178. SkylerWurden says:

    @Westray

    Its not bitterness, dude, it’s just a fact of life. You’re reading bitterness because you want me to be a downer, when I’m actually okay with my lot in life.

    If the vast majority of men can’t take advantage of your ‘advice’ then it isn’t valuable to most men. Sorry that bothers you, but it’s a fact. To the majority of men your advice is as accessible as ‘Chicks like a 6’4″ guy with a giant cock.’

    Well that’s great for the 6’4″ guy with a giant cock that has insecurity issues, but in what way is that “valuable” to the average man?

    I didn’t feel the need to insult you in my responses, and I still don’t. You, for some reason, couldn’t resist insulting me. I honestly don’t understand why, but if it makes you feel better then I guess have at it. But a word of advice from me to you: if you want to brag about having found this wonderful advice, throwing a temper tantrum when someone explains that it’s useless for him and most men is counter-productive to your stated goal of ‘just offering valuable information’.

  179. Lol….

    As for men with an above average sized penis………….isn’t that every guy today??????????

  180. anonymous_ng says:

    JDG, your foreign bride divorce number is 2%, not 20%. Just sayin.

    What I tell my boy is to find an Orthodox woman who is from an Orthodox family, who as far as can be determined is devout, and walks the walk. Beyond that, to find one that has a STEM intellect as my experience is that women who are more math/science minded tend to live less through their feelings and emotions than most.

  181. Gunner Q says:

    Anon @ 5:52 pm:
    “If women overseas are so much better, then why are they not coming here to outcompete local twats? The man should not have to go to EE/Latam/SE Asia.”

    I was going to say. If America’s “internationally sexy yet locally unwanted” men are such prizes then why aren’t foreign women storming the borders to reach us? It’s never been easier to move to North America, thank you sanctuary state traitors, so why aren’t they coming here at their own expense, getting residency before dating and offering us nerds their virginity?

  182. Westray says:

    LOL at the resistance to something so overwhelmingly obvious. Good luck.. Keep clinging to your bitterness tooth and nail. Hopeless

  183. Anon says:

    GunnerQ

    I was going to say. If America’s “internationally sexy yet locally unwanted” men are such prizes then why aren’t foreign women storming the borders to reach us? It’s never been easier to move to North America, thank you sanctuary state traitors, so why aren’t they coming here at their own expense, getting residency before dating and offering us nerds their virginity?

    The American man does have higher MMV. But women are too stupid to do what would happen in every other market – go where the low-hanging fruits are.

    I mean, millions of illegal MEN came from Mexico to work in low-status labor here. Why didn’t some of the better looking but still poor women of Latam do the same, just to land an American man?

    The fact that the American man has to devote months or years overseas for a foreign woman is itself testament to female inferiority of thought. They don’t even move to pursue obviously better opportunities (a few Russian woman are the exception, but almost all of them that I know did eventually divorce their BB American husband).

  184. Boxer says:

    The American man does have higher MMV. But women are too stupid to do what would happen in every other market – go where the low-hanging fruits are.

    Once upon a time:
    Some behavioral science kids set up an experiment for a senior thesis. Much of it involved questions put to a number of preschool age (3-5) kids. Sample size was about 15 IIRC. One of the questions included:

    You can have this little square of the Hershey’s chocolate bar today, or the entire Hershey’s chocolate bar tomorrow.

    The one thing these behavioral science kids were never looking for, and never saw, was what struck me the most immediately (I was already a hateful Dalrockian misogynist by this time).

    Among the boys asked, the ratio skewed about 6-4 to saving the treat for tomorrow, when they got the whole chocolate bar.

    Among the girls, there was one who opted to eat the whole thing, a day later.

    This could be a fluke, and there could be some sort of extraneous reason for the disparity. I don’t know what the actual random variable was, and wasn’t part of the original project. I just helped one of the testers with some numbers.

    It made an impact on me, all the same.

    Boxer

  185. Anon says:

    Boxer,

    Interesting. I always thought that before puberty, boys and girls were equally capable, mentally, whereas puberty is where a female actually goes backwards in certain attributes (since her entire psychology has to orient towards the SMP of 10,000 BC).

    But for all the talk of how ‘foreign women are better, even if you bring them to the US’, any basic economic normalization would lead to the wide world of women coming in to feed at the trough that so many Western Women are gluttonously consuming from.

    Like I said, in the US, about $40,000 is transferred from adult men to adult women each year. This is several times higher than what a girl in Poland or Mexico can earn on her own, and much more than even her future husband can earn there.

    Would you not move to a country where the government was transferring a huge amount of money to you with no strings attached, and the entire society was rigged to inflate your SMV? If you said yes, that is because you think like a man, not a woman.

  186. Boxer says:

    Dear Anon:

    Interesting. I always thought that before puberty, boys and girls were equally capable, mentally, whereas puberty is where a female actually goes backwards in certain attributes (since her entire psychology has to orient towards the SMP of 10,000 BC).

    I thought so, too. And, maybe they are. That was a shocking little diversion for me, though, which made me question all things.

    Like I said, in the US, about $40,000 is transferred from adult men to adult women each year. This is several times higher than what a girl in Poland or Mexico can earn on her own, and much more than even her future husband can earn there.

    Juanita doesn’t see the world extending much beyond the boundaries of the village she has always lived in. Her brother Juan will risk his life to come here, and the best he will end up with (after years of toil) is to own his own beater pickup, and he’ll pay for it by mowing my lawn for 80 bucks a month. The rest he’ll send back to Juanita and the folks.

    Would you not move to a country where the government was transferring a huge amount of money to you with no strings attached, and the entire society was rigged to inflate your SMV? If you said yes, that is because you think like a man, not a woman.

    Look at women anywhere, and you’ll see the I want it now mentality. They don’t give a shit about 40,000 USD in a foreign country. They don’t care about their own brothers/husbands/sons (a quick trip to the divorce courts ought to convince any man of that).

    A woman’s social circle is other women. She sees men (including father/son/husband/brother) as something between furniture and livestock. Her goals, such as they are, are limited to aspiring to humiliate her frenemy-of-the-week down at the water well, by fucking her man and boasting about it after. She lives in the now, and the terminus of the horizon of her lifeworld is an hour away from wherever she happens to be, at that particular moment.

    Best,

    Boxer

  187. Anon says:

    She lives in the now, and the terminus of the horizon of her lifeworld is an hour away from wherever she happens to be, at that particular moment.

    Unfortunate. Since the Ameri-twat, who gets more resources per capita funneled to her than any other woman on Earth, is not even going the face the competition of a second or third or fourth woman eyeing her rice bowl.

    For example, the typical ‘educated’ Western woman has had $500K+ spent on her schooling by the father/taxpayer, and yet we see very little real education :

    French Feminist : Women are smaller than men only due to male conspiracy.

    Yeah. Never mind that in the wild, every mammal from the elephant to the orca to the polar bear to the gorilla has a male much larger than the female, simply because as the less scarce reproductive resource, it is expected to do most of the fighting.

    The resources poured into women in the West simultaneously is not attracting foreign gold-diggers. The thing is, a foreign gold-digger does not even have to marry – she just has to get a sinecure.

  188. JDG says:

    anonymous_ng says:
    December 31, 2017 at 6:17 pm
    JDG, your foreign bride divorce number is 2%, not 20%. Just sayin.

    My subset is 2%. The 20% stats are for the US populace which includes marriages where the couple made a “business” agreement and planned to divorce before getting married.

  189. JDG says:

    The fact that the American man has to devote months or years overseas for a foreign woman is itself testament to female inferiority of thought.

    I’m not disagreeing with the inferiority of thought comment, but coming from Pacific Asia is not the same as sneaking across the border. Obtaining a visa takes a while and is not inexpensive (it is way more difficult and expensive then it needs to be). Also, if you don’t already know someone here, it is very difficult to get a visa at all.

  190. SkylerWurden says:

    @Westray

    LOL at the resistance to something so overwhelmingly obvious. Good luck.. Keep clinging to your bitterness tooth and nail. Hopeless

    Stunning argument. I’m floored by the logic of it. It’s absolutely amazing how you quoted all those hard stats, provided strong evidence for your position, and responded in a rational, dispassionate way to your idea being challenged.

    It’s clear now why all those ‘hot virginal Latinas in the club’ love you.

  191. JDG says:

    http://www.returnofkings.com/4658/dont-believe-the-lies-about-foreign-brides

    80% of these arrangements are actually working according to statistics, while the rest of their countrymen will see 50% of their marriages end in divorce and family court rape.

    Now I know there are guys who marry foreign women that end up taking them to the cleaners. The thing is, these guys are being taken to the cleaners far less often than they would be if they married local women. And if they did take a chance on a local chick, she would be no where near the same quality a foreign wife would be. Not in looks or what she was prepared to bring to the table as a traditional wife.

  192. Anon says:

    20% for foreign vs. 50% for domestic sounds right.

    BUT, I contend that marriages entered into after 2000 have a 70% chance of divorce, and foreign may rise up from 20% to 40%.

    The 50% stat is weighted by a) very old people, and b) immigrants from conservative cultures. Going forward, 70% it is, which means foreign will probably drift up to 40%.

  193. MarcusD says:

    As far as I have ever been aware, men are generally more impulsive and less risk-averse than women (thus the former’s overall greater success in the stock market). In terms of searching for partners: Men are also hardier, thus their role in, and tendency towards, exploration and taking risks in the hopes of achieving better outcomes elsewhere. This isn’t to say that impulsivity, risk, and exploration are the exclusive domains of males, of course.

    Dittrich, M., & Leipold, K. (2014). Gender differences in time preferences. Economics Letters, 122(3), 413-415.

    Drichoutis, A. C., & Nayga, R. M. (2015). Do risk and time preferences have biological roots?. Southern Economic Journal, 82(1), 235-256.

    Hosseini-Kamkar, N., & Morton, J. B. (2014). Sex differences in self-regulation: An evolutionary perspective. Frontiers in Neuroscience, 8.

    Mei, X., Tian, L., Xue, Z., & Li, X. (2017). A working memory task reveals different patterns of impulsivity in male and female college students. Behavioural Processes, 138, 127-133.

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  195. Mandy says:

    So the only reason foreign women don’t move here is that they don’t understand long term economic reasoning? Don’t you think maybe attachment to their homeland, culture, family and not speaking the language might play into that decision? Also we are far more risk averse.

    Millions of Larina women do move here. And then mostly marry men from their home culture who speak the same language.

  196. JDG says:

    Don’t you think maybe attachment to their homeland, culture, family and not speaking the language might play into that decision? Also we are far more risk averse.

    While these are factors, the difficulty and cost of obtaining a visa, in my opinion, plays a larger part. Many Asian women travel to other countries for employment (where visas are easier to obtain).

  197. Mandy,

    Exactly why this foreign bride thing still raises an eyebrow from me…….in my neighborhood, all the Mexican / Latinas who have come across the border marry someone in their own / from their own culture. They are not looking for tall white guys.

    Despite the jokes and interacial dating of white guys and asian girls……….most still date and marry within their own race. Most. If the above “facts” were indeed true, every immigrant woman would be explicitly vying and trying for men like this. It’s just not the case.

  198. Mandy says:

    Seventiesjason

    Yep that is what I see too.

    In Esatern Europe, the US is increasingly viewed as a high crime, multicultural, over sexual used decadent wasteland. Our problems include feminism but run much deeper. Rejecting God has left us with only one common thread as Americans: crass consumerism. We can’t import a new people to over come this issue.

  199. I’m not discounting posters who have married a foreign woman. Nor guys like Westry who spend and have spent extensive time overseas……..

    But as the answer and ‘silver bullet’ that will solve the woes of the single American man who wants to be married???? I don’t know. Sure for some, who indeed have the means to live, weed out, meet and take the time to date someone overseas……but even as an American man……you have to have something. Just showing up overseas isn’t going guarantee a wife

    Both my parents were foreign born, and they did have a tenacity and work ethic back in the 1950’s / 1960’s / 1970’s that probably put most native born American whites to shame at that time.

  200. Mandy says:

    Oh yes I’m sure there are many happy foreign woman & American men marriages. It’s just that any foreign women who travel here without a specific relationship already ( whether online or from him previously traveling there) are most likely very westernized. In traditional cultures women don’t live alone or travel to foreign countries alone. Or dance on clubs.

    I was mainly objecting to the idea that single traditional women should come here then find an American husband. That just isn’t likely.

  201. Novaseeker says:

    Millions of Larina women do move here. And then mostly marry men from their home culture who speak the same language.

    True. Large numbers of immigrants also come from Asia and the Middle East, including women, and they are also mostly not seeking out white guys to marry once they are here. Down a generation or two, yes, but those are fully acculturated “Western” offspring of immigrants, so not the same thing.

    Of course, the guys who are into marrying foreign women are talking about women overseas who are specifically looking to marry Western men. There are not a small number of these, in various places (Eastern Europe and especially former SU, Southeast Asia, South America (as opposed to Mexico/CentAm). Key, though, is that this is self-selecting: ie, it’s women who want to marry Western men, not women there in general.

  202. Mandy says:

    Nova seeker

    A recent survey in the Moscow times showed a majority of women respondents preceded to marry a Russian man. Times have changed since the 90s and really seven Russia is unfortunately Westernizing.

    We have a deep societal problem if which feminism is the symptom not cause. If men stood together and said enough of this nonsense women would have to fall in line. A big problem is effeminate or misfit men who force their will on the others in destroying the West,

  203. Novaseeker says:

    it’s women who want to marry Western men, not women there in general.

    A bit more on this.

    In my observation, again having looked at colleagues doing this over about three decades now and having lived overseas a couple of times myself, it’s a self-selecting group. In, say, South America, women above a certain “grade” (by social class) are not looking to marry American guys and move to the US in general … most are educated these days and are looking to marry high standing local guys from good families (I’ve seen exceptions to this where one of these women finds herself, say, living in the US for a year or two on an internship or something like that and meets someone here). As you move down the totem pole from these, you get more interest in foreign men, because these women do not have access, socially, to the top men locally in any case — but again, it’s a subset of these women, not all of them.

    In Southeast Asia it is similar with the difference that the percentage of women who are in the “above grade” group is very small, so there are more women who are in the market for Western men. In Poland and other EU Eastern Europe countries, there are large numbers of Western men there already (due to being right next door to Western Europe) and also quite a few move to WE countries like the UK (tons of Polish girls in London) and become de-EE-ified. The former SU, by contrast, has a lot of women who are looking for men, and a high number who are interested in Western men, because they have a male crisis there (lots of alcoholism, very unsuitable men for marriage overall), but they are also among the least trustworthy in my personal experience, and among the most “hard” when compared with women from, say, SA or SEA.

  204. Boxer says:

    It’s really interesting to see Mandy show up here, in an effort to rebuild the mound. The immediate change in tone is fascinating.

  205. Anonymous Reader says:

    Anon
    I mean, millions of illegal MEN came from Mexico to work in low-status labor here. Why didn’t some of the better looking but still poor women of Latam do the same, just to land an American man?

    Because dogs are not cats, Mr. MGTOW.

  206. Anonymous Reader says:

    Tagging on here late in the comments, it is worth pointing out that this woman has followed / is following the standard script for women in the US, and in the rest of the industrialized world (including part of East Asia). Higher ed, “career”, ride the carousel, hit the epiphany phase and look for a Beta to lock down. Manosphere cliches abound.

    Parents of daughters – take note.

  207. Exsqueeze Me says:

    I think we American men are missing some big reasons why foreign women aren’t falling over each other to marry us.

    I am not convinced that the problem is the inferiority of the female intellect. Remember that hypergamy is not a rational decision but a hardwired response from deep in the lizard brain. It’s instinctive. The dumbest broad should be able to recognize our value and to either make a plan to get here or to at least try to get us to her.

    Rather I think our egos are shielding us from an important indicator: maybe we just aren’t that desirable in the eyes of the rest of the world.

    Before you crucify me, I am not saying we are ACTUALLY undesirable. But I am saying that we are DEPICTED that way around the world.

    Foreigners get their perception of American men from the media – our own feminine-imperative-run media, which we export. Consider some examples of this portrayal:

    – The media mostly depicts us as effeminate, weak and/or stupid. Every time an American makes international news for doing something great it’s an athlete, president, movie star, etc. – in other words, a celebrity. These kinds of men are so rare even in the US that it’s unlikely any woman would get a reasonable shot at marrying him just because they live in the same country.

    – American women are avoiding/abandoning relationships with us in increasing numbers. Yes, it’s their own fault, but you can be sure the media isn’t reporting it that way. This probably has the effect of confirming that American men are weaklings/undesirables. Pre-selection is one of the most powerful attraction triggers. I would argue that the current state of American marriage creates the opposite of pre-selection (pre-rejection?) – and the whole world is seeing it.

    – How about leadership qualities? Fail. We can’t control our own women. We’ve failed the greatest shit test on earth – and the whole world is seeing it.

    Meanwhile, Feminism spreads through education, so the less developed a region is the more likely it contains men who exude masculinity, generating sufficient tingle in the local women that they feel no need to leave their immediate surrounds to find a man – let alone an American beta simp.

    American men are superior to foreign men in terms of financial value, sometimes physical value (e.g. height), and that’s about it. All the “worthy” men – worthy enough to completely dislocate from your home – are too rare, even in the States, to justify the risk.

    A foreign woman who can afford to move to the US is probably not so worried about money that she’d find it sufficient reason to pursue an American man in here. She can afford to be picky about other traits she wants in a man. A foreign woman who’s too poor to move to the US will firstly not be able to move and at the same time won’t need to because her hypergamy will be easily satisfied by the local everyman with a job.

  208. My Aunt from Thailand gave me the breakdown back in the 1990’s about ‘asian woman’

    Wisdom from my Aunt Tat…

    *Japanese lady sleep with your best friend!
    *Chinese lady sneaky!
    *Indian lady all about the money!
    *Vietnam lady get education and divorce you!
    *Korean lady ALWAYS angry!
    *Mhong lady? She get married at 12 to 50 year old man! You think that’s okay???! Huh?!!!

    Thai lady????

    Thailand land of smiles…..Thai lady perfect girl for man!

  209. Pete says:

    Hi Dalrock,
    It appears she has seen this post and has now completely locked her blog down removing all posts, fortunately there is always the way back machine !

  210. BillyS says:

    Foreign women are immune from the curse on Eve? Yeah, right….

  211. BillyS says:

    JDG,

    In addition, what her parents think is a huge factor

    My former father-in-law couldn’t stand my exwife’s mother, yet he helped my ex become just like her mother. Though he never did like me much, especially my strong Christianity.

    Westray,

    You confused the demo (outward wrapping) with the underlying reality. Foreign women may have some initial attractions, but they are subject to the same problems. Their home environment might be better, but it is highly unlikely that any US man could move in and ever be really accepted in that culture, always being a foreigner.

    You are an unmarried marriage counselor with all the answers, but without the experience.

  212. BillyS says:

    Anon,

    almost all of them that I know did eventually divorce their BB American husband

    Showing that the foreign bride is not as much of a deal as it seems.

  213. earl says:

    It appears she has seen this post and has now completely locked her blog down removing all posts, fortunately there is always the way back machine !

    Something must have really spooked her.

  214. BillyS says:

    The line after “Anon” above was meant to be a quote.

  215. westray says:

    Billy,

    Were all of your pronouncements about Mongolia, urban Brazil, Estonia, Italy, Japan, seventies era India, Buenos Aires in 2017? All the same to you homeboys, isn’t it?

    Once again, the “foreign women are better” guy (me), is immediately on the hook for it being an infallible, 100% flawless option or gtfo. It certainly isn’t perfect or infallible. I’ve seen that first hand, big-time. It can be a far from perfect option and still be light years better than what’s being offered here.

    In this case, I’m almost forced to agree with those who accuse MGTOW/Manospherians of simply being the flipped coin to feminism. It seems like some people here angrily dismissed an attempted solution to a problem; something feminists have been doing for decades. It seems like some guys here very seriously don’t want to be given any hope at all in any way. NOT saying it’s a perfect option, just a vastly superior one.

    A decent, healthy horse doesn’t have to be Secretariat to be better than a three-legged donkey with chronic dysentery. I was trying to talk about overall degrees of quality. You guys made it binary.

    If you think that a Brazilian girl from Minas Gerais is indistinguishable from some unbelievably spoiled brat from Portland, Oregon then there’s no point in discussing things further. Keep learning game for these shark-eyed linebackers who also now have grown up with entire entertainment genres dedicated to glorifying their nearly guaranteed divorces.

  216. BillyS says:

    I guess I need to look for a Mhong lady Jason!

  217. earl says:

    If you think that a Brazilian girl from Minas Gerais is indistinguishable from some unbelievably spoiled brat from Portland, Oregon then there’s no point in discussing things further.

    I think the point was that all women share the same flaws…the reason why foreign women seem better is because their cultures aren’t as full bore in encouraging and promoting those flaws as they do in America.

  218. Son of Liberty says:

    @westray good point. Just to play the opposite advocate.. one could argue the native undiscovered tribes around the earth are a viable option, and if that’s too expensive to do… Mennonites for what’s left.

  219. BillyS says:

    You need to read a bit better Westray. I haven’t said anything in this thread until today.

    I have only travelled outside the US a few weeks. My father was a missionary in Russia and did have women interested in him at the time, but he was “standing in faith” for restoration of his marriage to my stepmother that never came.

    Once again, the “foreign women are better” guy (me), is immediately on the hook for it being an infallible, 100% flawless option or gtfo.

    Not from me. I am just responding to your point about how good they are, especially since you have not even followed your own advice.

    I believe women are women. A culture can adjust some of that, but the underlying issues (and benefits) remain.

    I myself had a long term marriage end a bit over a year ago. It hurts like hell, but I will get through it. I have a different perspective than many here and have gotten called many names as well, since I value both civilization and the Scriptures above all.

    I am unlikely to be a MGTOW, even now when that is the most likely outcome. Being alone after so many years is a lot harder to handle than many realize, especially those with a range of friends and other connections. Know who you are dealing with a bit better.

    My input to you is to be a bit less certain about what you admit has many flaws.

    you think that a Brazilian girl from Minas Gerais is indistinguishable from some unbelievably spoiled brat from Portland, Oregon then there’s no point in discussing things further.

    They both have serious flaws, especially today. That is missing from your view. You have to look at the risks for all choices, not just one choice.

  220. westray says:

    “I have only travelled outside the US a few weeks.”

    “They both have serious flaws, especially today.”

    Buddy….

  221. westray says:

    I did conflate your points with some guys’ earlier snarling. I admit that.

  222. earl says:

    Mennonites for what’s left.

    There’s a group of them where I live. While I’m not sure if they have the same bad attitude most American women have…they do wear dresses, stay a healthy body weight, and have children…so they seem to be much better in comparison.

  223. westray says:

    The AWALT stance, while true to some degree, is always in danger of letting women off the hook, as always.

    I’ll go with this;

    I agree with AWALT….and then there are Western Anglos….a whole new discussion.

  224. BillyS says:

    Westray,

    Are you really arguing that only US women are subject to the curse on Eve? Have you read most of this post showing that happens quite regularly?

  225. Son of Liberty says:

    @earl, yea I mean if there was any checklist… it’s surprisingly intact in such gruesome culture of the Gregorian 21st century, amazing.

  226. westray says:

    Billy,

    “Are you really arguing that only US women are subject to the curse on Eve?”

    That is such a total misread on your part. I guess I can’t expect you to have combed over the whole thread. Fair enough.

    Also,

    Why are you still discussing foreign women after this quote…

    “I have only travelled outside the US a few weeks.”

    ???

    It’s not your discussion bud. You flashed some irritation at me for being ‘the unmarried married counselor’ (I wasn’t even discussing marriage nearly as much as simply comparing the difference in quality between Western Anglos and normal, human females, btw). Well, double that annoyance. How would you know about this topic? Get off of it. It’s not your topic. Any American guy who’s lived extensively in Latin America would be laughing hysterically at you guys on this. He would also acknowledge that marriage with a Latina is fraught with risks….Still a laughably superior option.

    I just had an ex gf from Brazil (who’s been living in the US/Married for nearly twenty years) give me a drunken, disgusting and unasked for bikini modelling session on MSNGR a few weeks ago. Guess who showed up on FB with a brand new car for Christmas from her blue collar/blue pill hubby? She acted like a pig and she’s fully indoctrinated as far as I could tell. So I’m not nearly as ‘foreign women as silver bullet’ as you think. I’m just stunned that some of you guys are struggling so hard to not admit how hideous our women are in comparison to the (certainly imperfect, curse of Eve) international women.

  227. Newdist says:

    Heh, she’s hidden all her blog posts. Great stuff.

    Those of you talking about tipping off her boyfriend: C’mon, she’s 38 years old, not 23. He already knows she has banged a ton of guys before him. Harassing him won’t make a difference.

    It’s not like they are going to have kids at that age, so who cares?

  228. BillyS says:

    Traveling outside the US isn’t required to know that female nature is what it is Westray.

    You undermine your point as well noting what your Brazillian ex-GF did.

    No women are better in the sense of changing the outcome sufficiently by themselves. Many other factors play in to reduce risk, so noting “go overseas” is setting those who read the advice up for failure.

    How many women from overseas have you married if you are so certain they are such a good bet? (It should be exactly 1 if so, with a long time of the relationship.

  229. Anon says:

    Mandy,

    So the only reason foreign women don’t move here is that they don’t understand long term economic reasoning?

    Yes. Next Question.

    Don’t you think maybe attachment to their homeland, culture, family and not speaking the language might play into that decision? Also we are far more risk averse.

    As if men don’t have these attachments or impediments. Thanks for inadvertantly disclosing that men are not seen as fully human.

    Women are ‘risk averse’, but immigration to the US is much riskier for a man than for a woman who can even slightly focus on the goal of getting an American husband and extracting government goodies already flowing to women in a torrent.

    Sorry, but you don’t have a good understanding of how women think, even after all these years in the ‘sphere.

  230. westray says:

    Lol at your wisdom concerning women/life overseas. What a bunch of absolute air.

    “Traveling outside the US isn’t required to know that female nature is what it is”

    So wrong. It’s absolutely mandatory these days in order to understand how wretched Western Anglos have become in comparison.

  231. Mandy been here a while says:

    Anon

    I wasn’t talking about foreign men at all. The topic was single women coming here. Do you want more men here, too? Seems that would cause more chaos.

    Poland is a million times better place to live than the US regardless if one will never get rush there. At least it’s not a multi-culture sewer. A girl would be nuts to leave.

  232. Anon says:

    Mandy,

    The topic was single women coming here.

    You are changing the subject. You said that a woman might not emigrate because ‘she might be attached to her culture and family’. Yet men emigrate despite this; you implied men are not attached to these things.

    Poland is a million times better place to live than the US regardless

    Well, few countries have a greater percentage of their population leaving each year than Poland (they go to the UK even to do lower-level jobs, much like Mexicans come to the US). The US, for all its flaws, still has a major net inflow.

    But the point is, a Polish woman can get a far wealthier man more easily in the US than in Poland. Plus, she gets tons of government money in the US, that she does not get in Poland. Poland may be decent to better for men vs. the US, but not for women.

    Roosh spent a lot of time in Poland, and banged many girls there. Hence, he wrote a book ‘Bang Poland’, that confirms this.

  233. Anon says:

    List of Countries by Net Migration Rate :
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate

    US : +16
    Poland : -2

    So Poland has people leaving net-net, about at the same level as people leaving Nigeria, India, and VietNam.

    The US has a huge net inflow.

  234. BillyS says:

    Some snark since your argument fails Westray? Not surprising.

  235. Marriedgirl says:

    ” A girl would be nuts to leave.”

    LOL… having family that came from Poland to live **much** better lives in the US, I don’t think you fully understand what you’re saying.

  236. westray says:

    How on earth would you know if my argument failed? You have zero significant knowledge of overseas life. Case closed, man. You’ve been talking out of your a%& on this topic from the start. I was here to help. Most don’t want to be helped.

  237. Paul says:

    I think looking for women in “other countries” is looking for the wrong determining factor in trying to achieve a successful marriage. First of all, it’s an ideological thing. Does a woman hold to the same view of marriage as you do? There are few ideologies that promote monogamous life-long marriage with no sex apart from your spouse. Christianity does teach it, but unfortunately, many churches do not follow it. Those that do also forbid Christian women to marry non-Christian men. And even then, within Christianity singleness is seen as the better marital state, but is only advised if you’re capable to give up sex.

    1Cor7:28b “But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.”

  238. feeriker says:

    How on earth would you know if my argument failed? You have zero significant knowledge of overseas life. Case closed, man. You’ve been talking out of your a%& on this topic from the start. I was here to help. Most don’t want to be helped.

    Line I said, many men prove that they’re just like women when it comes to not wanting to put any effort or sacrifice into finding marriageable candidates within the oppsite sex, and then whining about “where have all the good women gone?”

  239. AnonS says:

    If Japanese girls sleep around so much why are 44.2% of Japanese women aged between 18 to 34 virgins? Higher IQ people have less sex outside of marriage.

    Ugly Americans would get low quality brides anywhere, and the horror stories I’ve see posted are mainly stories with no stats behind them or normalizing for IQ. Normalizing for IQ score solves most statistical social problem questions.

    Women have innate cognitive ability and socially determined attraction queues based on how their society’s hierarchy is setup. Northeast Asians score higher on long term time preference (marshmallow test) and IQ and their attraction queues let greater US betas be visible. Greater betas could go from invisible to visible in another country.

    That’s my backup plan anyways.

  240. Anonymous Reader says:

    Anon to Mandy
    You said that a woman might not emigrate because ‘she might be attached to her culture and family’. Yet men emigrate despite this; you implied men are not attached to these things.

    Women are not men with boobs. Why do you persist in believing that feminist lie?

    Roosh spent a lot of time in Poland, and banged many girls there.

    You consider Roosh to be an authority on marriage? He’s not even an authority on women, Mr. MGTOW.

  241. Novaseeker says:

    That’s my backup plan anyways.

    Have you spoken with American expats who have lived in Japan, or read what they have written about their experiences dating there? If not, you should.

    This isn’t a maths equation where you plug in IQ and get the same result in different cultures.

  242. Roosh being the “amazing PUA” that he is also is prone (like all self-proclaimed PUA’s) to “boost” numbers, call a 4 a “perfect 10” and if a girl smiles at him, it means “she wants to get naked right now, and all he has to do is follow the steps of his method. You too can learn this method by signing up for his book camp, buying his books, and liking his FB page”

    So when I hear about books of guys who travel to foreign countries and “bang” every “hot” woman there…..I always….ALWAYS raise an eyebrow.

  243. Anon says:

    Anonymous Reader,

    You consider Roosh to be an authority on marriage?

    I said nothing about him knowing about marriage. Why has your reading comprehension plummeted so catastrophically?

    Mr. MGTOW.

    What is this about? I haven’t talked about MGTOW at all.

    The voices in your head are getting louder, I see.

  244. Anon says:

    seventiesjason,

    So when I hear about books of guys who travel to foreign countries and “bang” every “hot” woman there…..I always….ALWAYS raise an eyebrow.

    So he went there and wrote a book about banging girls in Poland, and a number of people fly off the handle about their general gripes regarding PUAs.

    You are claiming he has no insights about Poland (despite living there several months). Whether he banged just 2 girls there or many more is hardly the point.

    Plus, he doesn’t sell boot camps. Just inexpensive books.

  245. “a number of people”

    Most people laugh at PUA’s. I’ve seen these guys in action for a long time now…..sausage fest with equally stunted folks of talking how “alpha” they are……….

    Wow. he went to Poland for a few months! Boy, he must be ready for citizenship…….probably spent the whole time at strip clubs, jerking off to porn in in his hotel room, and drinking the cheaper beer there………you know, like any normal alpha with amazing game would do

  246. David says:

    Wow. he went to Poland for a few months!

    So the man has no useful insights about Poland even after a few months? Didn’t you talk about a country after spending just a few months there yourself.

    Most people laugh at PUA’s.

    Most people love the divorce laws the way they are. They are blue pill, but you seem to admire that trait.

    I’ve seen these guys in action for a long time now…..sausage fest with equally stunted folks of talking how “alpha” they are……….

    I saw a guy named ‘Jason’ act like a mangina. Therefore, as per your logic, all men named ‘Jason’ are manginas.

    There is something about PUAs, even the ones who are not selling anything expensive, that turns supposedly ‘red-pill’ men into complete cuckservatives who lose any ability to exhibit rational logic or recognize who is their enemy and who isn’t.

  247. Brad says:

    Red Pill newbie here…been reading for less than a year. I used to read the Reddit forums but found that there were parts of the philosophy that were inconsistent with a Christian ethic (which I wont go into). This blog is great…Redpill from a Christian perspective.

    As a committed Christian, I have two things that bother me: First and foremost, as Christ’s Bride, aren’t we all behaving like spiritual whores and sluts every time we sin willfully? I’m not saying that we should not condemn our society’s implicit encouragement of whoreish traits so common in our female youth; however, based on Jesus’ words in Matt 7:2, telling us that we will be judged by the standard with which we judge, I feel like it should give us pause as to the way and degree in which we call it out.

    Second thing that bothers me is the AWALT thing. A wise mentor once taught me that once we start making broad sweeping statements using the word ALL, we automatically become liars. Wouldn’t some acronym like ITFMT (It’s The Female Tendency) be more useful for getting at the point?

    Just my two cents. Look forward to hearing your thoughts and perhaps correction. I look up to a lot of you brothers posting; thanks for your wisdom.

    In Christ,
    Brad

    [D: Welcome Brad.]

  248. Dalrock says:

    @seventiesjason

    Most people laugh at PUA’s. I’ve seen these guys in action for a long time now…..sausage fest with equally stunted folks of talking how “alpha” they are……….

    Wow. he went to Poland for a few months! Boy, he must be ready for citizenship…….probably spent the whole time at strip clubs, jerking off to porn in in his hotel room, and drinking the cheaper beer there………you know, like any normal alpha with amazing game would do

    I don’t doubt that you’ve seen your share of paper alphas/PUAs. I certainly have, and the internet is lousy with them. But I’ve also witnessed the real deal, and it was eye opening. I had a roommate in college who always had a soft harem in rotation. He was tall and good (enough) looking, and that helped a great deal. But he also had good natural game. It didn’t matter where we went, pretty soon he would have a group of pretty women talking to him, and very regularly they ended up in his rotation.

    Even more eye opening was trying his attitude myself. He had a classic cocky/funny banter style that after observing for a long period tried in my own interactions with women. The results were truly astounding. I am Beta, but I don’t doubt for a second that there are men who through some combination of genetic fortune, working out, and good Game truly clean up. Women respond to it positively, even if sex isn’t on the table for one reason or another.

  249. anonymous_ng says:

    @Dalrock I don’t doubt that you’ve seen your share of paper alphas/PUAs. I certainly have, and the internet is lousy with them. But I’ve also witnessed the real deal, and it was eye opening.

    THIS all day long.

    The guys I’ve seen who are successful with women are guys that tended to have things together pretty well already. The pickup stuff just gave them permission, some red pill awareness etc.

    Then, I’ve also seen lots of guys who needed to spend more than a few years getting their lives together before anything they learned in pickup was going to help.

    It kinda seems like marriage works the same way. There is some small percentage of women who for whatever reason have their stuff together to the degree that they aren’t going to get bored, insecure about their looks etc, and blow up their marriage. The rest need to work hard at getting their stuff together else, they’re probably going to blow up their marriage.

    Just how it looks from the cheap seats.

  250. Novaseeker says:

    @Dalrock —

    Yes, I had the same experience. One of my closer college friends was like that. Handsome (not killer handsome, but handsome enough), well built (he lifted religiously and this was the mid 80s when most guys didn’t lift at all), and had that cocky/funny charm. It was a combo of all three that made him very successful with women — that, and a ZFG attitude for the times when it *didn’t* work — just next and move to the next girl, because there always was one just around the corner. This was decades before people even breathed the words “pickup artist” or “game” — he was a natural, that was that. There always have been such guys, and even under the “ancien regime” there were such guys, too, I am sure of it, it’s just that the old rules hemmed them in more than the new ones do.

    Anyway, he did marry briefly in his 30s (that was a joke, really), and it lasted around 4 years or so, no kids no alimony so another ZFG experience. These days in his late 40s he dates mostly women in their 30s, sometimes late 20s, sometimes early 40s. Never any one of them for that long, lol. There really are a LOT of women out there if you have the traits that make you attractive and if you don’t care about marriage and children — and it doesn’t end quickly, either, if you maintain yourself, because in 2017, there are plenty of women who are behaving this way well into their 40s and 50s if they are good looking enough to pull it off (and if they are there are plenty of men who are more than happy to oblige them, they just aren’t in the sphere).

    If you have moral rules and are looking for a suitable wife, of course, that’s a whole different ball of wax.

  251. Anonymous Reader says:

    You consider Roosh to be an authority on marriage?

    I said nothing about him knowing about marriage.

    Context is important. You might try paying attention to it.

    Why has your reading comprehension plummeted so catastrophically?

    Do you regard Roosh as an expert on women?

    Mr. MGTOW.
    What is this about? I haven’t talked about MGTOW at all.

    Not explicitly, no, but your talking points haven’t changed over the years and you have taken yourself out of the market. Your lack of knowledge about women plus your antipathy to them is clealry in the direction of MGTOW.

    The voices in your head are getting louder, I see.

    Obviously. You have a nice day, too.

  252. Lost Patrol says:

    Women respond to it positively, even if sex isn’t on the table for one reason or another.

    Exactly. The PUA moniker may taint the concept for some, but it can work across the board – at work, at the market, at church (can I say that?). It used to be called “charming” and was a known yet ill defined skill, or is it a characteristic, that makes your life easier when dealing with women.

    There always have been such guys, and even under the “ancien regime” there were such guys,…

    Yes. A natural can be an odd thing to reconcile in your mind. Like the guy that didn’t know how to dress (always white socks with everything), sported a kind of nerd haircut (for the time, as those change), and seemed oblivious; yet women were always openly interested in him and hovered around. I really resented it. Maybe I still do.

  253. Dalrock

    yes, yes…the ‘cocky funny thing’ and ‘opening a set’ and then watching her left foot on Tuesdays to see if it is pointed towards you…which means “come, I’m open to your advance” or if not it means “I’m playing hard to get”

    So many variables…….situations, assumptions, day game, night game, long term game time of the year….being confident, but not toooooo confident. Being upfront…but only if she is into you to begin with, even though attraction it isn’t a “choice” on her end, she’s just wired naturally that way and can’t help who she likes and when……or why.

    Men who are “good” with women usually are so from day one. Yes, yes….we all have that one friend who “became good” and I am sure it happens more than even I would like to admit.

    As for the comment above of “having it all together”? What a crock. No man has it all together. If he does, I would certainly like to meet him.

    It boils down to looks in the end. Dalrock, it worked when you applied it because you have some attraction physically that many men don’t.

    Also, men who are good with women usually don’t talk, brag, or speak “game” because it is just them. They had the golf ball on the tee from day one.

    I appreciate your reply my man, but I will fundamentally disagree about PUA’s and game with everyone who purports it.

  254. Anonymous Reader says:

    Jason
    It boils down to looks in the end.

    No, it doesn’t. Women’s attraction triggers are not the same as men’s – confidence is more important to them than looks per se. I have a lot of sympathy for you given what you’ve shared here, but this is a false dichotomy.

    Also, men who are good with women usually don’t talk, brag, or speak “game” because it is just them.

    Yes and no. It looks that way, but it isn’t so.

    They had the golf ball on the tee from day one.

    Not true. Think of public speaking: it’s a skill that can be learned, right? Some men are better at it than ohters, but it is still a skill that one can improve via such things as Toastmasters. Interpersonal relations are a more complex version of public speaking.

  255. Okay AR. Let’s play the game.

    Define confidence. In what abstract? In what situation? It’s a very open ended word like “love” and very hard to define, and what is confidence to one person could be nothing to another. I’ve met plenty of confident men who batting 600

    There has to be a spark. No one is going to date someone she isn’t attracted to initially. That’s real. That’s life. That’s the breaks. It isn’t “fair” but really nothing in life is

  256. Opus says:

    There are and always have been some men who have been able to charm the birds from the trees and of course with ZFG but there are also as Jason says a fair number of pretenders. We judge of ability from performance and so we must not be taken in by armchair quarter-back bragging. It is impossible for us to know for certain whether Roosh, Roissy or Krauser or any of the other self-professed internet lotharios are the real deal even though we may from the distinctness of their writing be pretty certain. By reason of increased female promiscuity caused in part by later marriage the bar for being considered a true Alpha has to be raised to reflect increased ease of access. I do not doubt that my N is far higher than any of my ancestors but that is not proof of my greater sexual desirability merely of the age in which I have lived (I am too prone to one-itis).

    Women however – some of them at any rate – are aging far more gracefully than in previous decades. I was yesterday looking at some photos taken over Xmas of three mini-skirted females – all three, Russian 2nd marriage internet-brides who live locally – two in their forties and one in her thirties and my comment was that forty-five really was the new twenty. I wouldn’t however touch any of them or any Russian with a barge-pole. The idea that somehow east-europeans or east-asians are going to solve the problem of frivorce is I fear just clutching-at-straws. Foreign brides bring in their wake problems of great magnitude in addition to the usual ones not the least of which is cultural misunderstanding. Another problem is that the foreign bride will not be so naive as not to realise that you are with her because you cannot adequately compete against your fellow countrymen for the local talent and will thus despise you. No matter how hot your Thai Bride or South-American senorita may be she knows that in the world’s pecking order the hottest women are, like FLOTUS, caucasian. American and British men can thus sell themselves short by marrying foreign-totty for everyone is secretly laughing at them behind their back even if they envy the hawt sex they are sure that you are having. Your bride will at dinner-parties be looked at somewhat askance even though no one will ever say anything and your children will always look a bit odd and not quite fit-in. If you are British by birth (and by the grace of god English) – say – you must aim for the top and not like the half-blood prince of uncertain parenting…. but you get the gist.

  257. earl says:

    It’s true…most of the success/failure is based on if she’s interested or not.

  258. seventiesjason says:

    @Earl

    Now careful Earl. You will now be told that you can “build” attraction by being cocky-funny (you will be labeled creepy if she doesn’t have initial attraction to you).

    All of this has to be done very quickly because you are not allowed to build a friendship because that’s for “chumps” and yet you are expected to score a date with her by “negging” her and of course if you are in the above average range you can get away with that.

    If not. A slap. A drink thrown in your face (happened to me once) or she tattles to the bouncer, the elder, the manager at Starbucks to get you tossed out of told to “leave the ladies alone”

    Blessed with above average looks? Tee her, giggles, and flirting.

  259. anonymous_ng says:

    @seventiesjason, what I meant by noting that the guys who seemed to gain something from the pickup world were men who seemed to already have their lives together was that they were guys who already had reasonable success with women, they weren’t living out of their cars, were within the norms for height, weight, and looks etc. Basically, they had their lives together.

    The contrast was the legions of men who came to pickup needing someone to remind them to shower, and to brush their teeth, and to have even a modicum of manners etc.

    Beyond that, I found that most of them beyond needing to get their lives straightened out first, also only found the most superficial understanding of things.

    As an example, take D’Angelos cocky/funny thing. I met men who had developed veritable comedy routines to use with every woman they met. Some even had branching routines set up to give some variability. OR, they could have perhaps found the underlying principle of not taking yourself so damned seriously, and that talking to a woman isn’t a matter of life and death. Maybe.

    I found the cocky/funny idea of treating women like your bratty niece, or little sister was a great foundation for social flirting. No woman came home from the bar with me because I learned that, but the principle has made interactions with women more pleasant in the years since.

  260. earl says:

    Nah I’m good. I fell for the ‘game’ a while back. It doesn’t make you any more attractive than you really are…but it does make you delude yourself into thinking you are.

    I could give a pretty simple and quick lesson…
    ‘is she receptive to you and who you are, then you got a good shot.’
    ‘Is she throwing drinks in your face, that’s a no.’

    Although I wish I could have gone to a different country to figure that out and stretched it into a 250 page book for profit.

  261. seventiesjason says:

    Annon

    I met DeAngelo. I went to one of his retreats. I was a chump for doing that. This was back in 2000.

    All the men at this retreat had jobs. Had decent hygeine. Most dressed okay. All had a personality. All were far from repulsive. What were we all lacking?

    According to DeAngelo just comfidence. The reality was that we were just hopelessly below average in looks…..but we were also taught daily that “looks have no bearing and don’t matter to women”

    And yet…..

    Yet they do matter. All ten of these men I was with at this boitcamp all had interesting backgrounds. All had a cool story to tell. All had some sort of education and / or training in the trades.

    Looks don’t matter. Talk down to her. You’re the boss. Don’t be a chump! You’re an ‘alpha’! Women want a man who knows exactly what he wants a n life (but convey that in 20 seconds in a social setting).

    It’s a scam. It’s silly. I was the chump. No longer. A chump are the men who take this bs seriously.

  262. Isa says:

    @seventiesjason If that is you in your profile pics, you seem above average in looks for a man of your age (at least according to me). What you are missing is probably charisma or magnetism that some are just born with. That can be partially developed, but it will always be an uncomfortable suit to wear.

  263. info says:

    ”Meanwhile, Feminism spreads through education, so the less developed a region is the more likely it contains men who exude masculinity, generating sufficient tingle in the local women that they feel no need to leave their immediate surrounds to find a man – let alone an American beta simp.”

    Globalist NGO’s and local feminist branches are shortly solving this through the medium of putting those women and girls in school to indoctrinate them in western leftism.

  264. anonymous_ng says:

    @seventiesjason, you’ve gotten me thinking, and you’re right. Most of the guys I met in the pickup world were normal, average guys. They had jobs. They dressed reasonable. They showered. They weren’t basement dwelling internet trolls. I misspoke.

    I got a lot out of my time in the pickup world. So, for *me*, it wasn’t a scam. I’m not saying that it turned me into an insane lover as what I got out of it was the realization that my self-worth is independent of the opinion of some random attractive woman I saw at a bar.

  265. Anon says:

    In response to Anonymous Reader’s preposterous comment at 4:57 PM.

    Context is important. You might try paying attention to it.

    Translation : You accused me of saying something I didn’t say, I called you on it, and you are backpedaling after being caught.

    Do you regard Roosh as an expert on women?

    Not the very best, but pretty high on the list. His books contain many important teachings, and have been favorably reviewed by Heartiste, Krauser, Christian McQueen, etc. Day Bang, in particular cracks many small problems in day game that others gloss over or avoid addressing.

    You seem to be saying Roosh is below average, even though you obviously haven’t read his books. What is your supporting evidence? You do have to provide evidence, you know.

    but your talking points haven’t changed over the years and you have taken yourself out of the market.

    What does that even mean? I have been involved with a lot of women, and continue to be involved with new ones. Just last week, I said that #MeToo was not (yet) sufficient reason for single guys to avoid dating wholesale (although that day may eventually arrive, and give rise to ‘risk-cels’). So your claim is exactly wrong.

    Your lack of knowledge about women plus your antipathy to them is clealry in the direction of MGTOW.

    LOL! I have contributed a huge range of insights about female psychology to the ‘sphere. By contrast, you have contributed exactly zero to the body of knowledge.

    I challenge you to find three (3) comments from me, in the last 90 days, that indicate a ‘lack of knowledge about women’. This should be easy, if your accusations have an iota of merit.

    Of course, you can’t (and will make some ultra-lame excuse as to why not).

    Plus, I don’t even talk about MGTOW. A couple weeks ago, there was a huge debate about MGTOW, and I didn’t even participate in it.

    Plus, your shaming language about someone ‘taking themselves out of the market’ (which I have not) is just the tired old ‘man up’ rhetoric that might as well come from Brad Wilcucks or some other tradcon. Why are you becoming a tradcon.

    Now, let me share another one of my original insights : The vastly off-base accusations you have made are really just projection on your part.

    Hence, you desperately need to work on :
    i) Reading comprehension.
    ii) Self-awareness.

  266. seventiesjason says:

    Yeah Isa the profile pic is me. I think I am average but my dating life, my virginity and never having even kissed a gal tell me differently.

    And I wasn’t some life- long fuddy duddy Christian. I wasn’t naive, nor a prude. No I never thought Star Trek was real. The last and only video game system I have is my Atari 2600.

    I had style (worked at GAP all through HS and college when it was the hip place to work).

    I remember in that bootcamp I was made example of and told frequently by the teachers “Style that works? Jason, you are 100% okay on that.”

    Look, I’ll agree that “game” so to speak can help a guy.

    My warning is…..its not the end all be all. People are not a science or a formula to be decoded or a mixture into neat portions. They are complex.

    I found it to be useless overall, and do I think people who live and talk “game” are making a mistake…..well, I guess that’s up to them. Nuff said. You know my positions fully. I’ll leave it alone.

  267. Novaseeker says:

    American and British men can thus sell themselves short by marrying foreign-totty for everyone is secretly laughing at them behind their back even if they envy the hawt sex they are sure that you are having.

    Yes. Just like one of your royal princes becoming engaged to a divorced black american girl.

  268. Anon says:

    Novaseeker,

    Yes. Just like one of your royal princes becoming engaged to a divorced black american girl.

    That is amazing, really. She is 3 years older than him. Plenty of middle class American guys his age would reject her if given the chance to marry her. Yet this Prince of England, who is not going to be king and can thus live a party life without anywhere the scrutiny of his older brother, could not do better.

    I think the royals did a DNA test and found that he is not the son of Charles, but can’t admit that publicly. That is why a) Princess Katherine has been instructed to rapidly pop out at least 3 kids asap, so as to eliminate any chance of Harry being King, and b) they don’t really care that he is marrying someone entirely unsuitable to be the wife of anyone first, second, third, or even fourth in line. He isn’t of royal blood anyway.

  269. Anon says:

    Opus,

    If you are British by birth (and by the grace of god English)

    Of all the Eurasian peoples in the world, none are reproducing with partners outside of their own ethnicity more than the English. Both in the UK, as well as among British people residing outside of the UK.

  270. seventiesjason says:

    I like Queen Elizabeth. She’s classy, dignified. Poor Charles. Been waiting his whole life to become King. Prince Andrew I liked back in the 1980’s….after that whole Fergie thing…
    Eh, no.

    My mum always liked Charles, thought he was always given a bum rap by the subjects.

    I admire the Queen. Shes the end of poise, grace, and class.

  271. SkylerWurden says:

    I think whether Game is useful or not is pretty much dependent on the person using it. When you break it down, Game is just being a sociable person. Some people are naturally sociable, they like to talk, they laugh easily (this is a huge and often ignored factor) and they generally are friendly and open-hearted. Of course women (and men) respond well to those things. Game theory is just an overcomplicated study of what people have always known: charming men have more friends and are better with women.

    If you’re tall and good looking and you have Game, you will get even more response. If you’re short and ugly and have Game, you’ll do better than a shy short and ugly man, but you will see drastically lower ROI for any efforts you put in (sexually speaking) than the tall, handsome fellow. If you’re average, you’ll get a decent ROI.

    But that also assumes a ‘normal’ sociability to begin with. Only so much Game can be learned. Naturally shy or serious men will have less total Game they can learn than ‘average’ men. Severely shy or very serious men will have almost no Game they can learn. They’re best efforts will eventually become obvious to everyone as an act. And it will be uncomfortable for the man himself, for some intolerable.

    So it’s basically a crapshoot because the men who need Game the most are the very men who can learn the least Game and at the highest cost. That’s why you’ll see one man who swears by his results from learning Game just by ‘trying out some techniques he learned from a friend’ and another man who spent actual money and hours of his time and got basically no result. The first man was already predisposed to Game.

    Anyway, more and more I am coming to the opinion that most of Game Theory is actually sinful self-worship in disguise and thus think it really is useless for most men spiritually speaking. Insofar as Game is working toward being a friendlier, kinder, more open-hearted person and teacjing detachment from created things, it is good. Insofar as it is a quest to find the ‘secret’ to convincing people to like you, it is evil. We are not called to be liked, or to achieve worldly success. Instead we are called to live a life of the Cross and to give up our worldly successes or at minimum be detached from them.

  272. Opus says:

    I have a theory (indeed observation) which goes like this: that men who want to be with a woman – I mean not just would like to or really want to but who can’t survive without being with one will be so and in short order. My doubts about Game are that as Isa says it is an uncomfortable suit to wear if that is not who you are. I suspect that ones attitude to females (game) has a lot to do with ones experiences with them. Success leads to a certain blase-ness. I have no idea whether I have any game but one friendly acquaintance of mine, a man somewhat vertically challenged and bespectacled (and now much overweight) told me and perhaps more than once that he could never get away with saying to the opposite sex the things (of which I am entirely unconscious) that I say. It cannot be entirely coincidental that so many stand-up comics are short fat unattractive men with higher-pitched voices; not much point negging a woman when she is not likely to be interested in the first place. If you are attractive, women will test all the harder to ensure that you really are the real deal. I am not the real deal but suspect that I am one of VoxDay’s Sigmas.

    Anon may be right in suggesting that there is more miscegenation in Great Britain than elsewhere but this may be because the English women are extremely tough nuts to crack being as they are full of their own entitled self-importance (in inverse proportion to their ability) and resentful of the fact that it was Englishmen (and not women) – and America men also, of course – who built the modern world, so naturally they hate their own people because British/American success has only increasingly laid bare for all to see the limited usefulness of females. My bespectacled friend (who never had so far as I can tell an English girlfriend) had to settle for a take-away (and is now paying the price living under the threat-point). Prenez Garde.

  273. Novaseeker says:

    We are not called to be liked, or to achieve worldly success. Instead we are called to live a life of the Cross and to give up our worldly successes or at minimum be detached from them.

    OK, Skyler, but the issue is guys “go there” much more than dealing with women than they do when, say, dealing with getting a job or a promotion or what have you. Not too many guys second guessing their tactics and scheming around their career path based on needing to be detached from their success, but this kind of dissembling often comes up with women. Why? Because they are generally hopeless with women and find a way to excuse their hopelessness, while if they do that with a job they will be homeless. Nothing like raw necessity to cut out the bullshit.

  274. earlthomas786 says:

    Anyway, more and more I am coming to the opinion that most of Game Theory is actually sinful self-worship in disguise and thus think it really is useless for most men spiritually speaking.

    I was thinking the same, plus it often acted like a mask or a way to delude yourself into constructing something that may or may not be reality.

    Learning some basic things about women and female nature, especially since the sex roles and feminism has really screw things up, is good. Women aren’t men with boobs. However it doesn’t concern me as much anymore my success/failure ratio with them…I doubt God will judge me on how well I could get women interested in me, I’d rather try to be the man God wants me to be.

  275. Opus says:

    Earl says that women are not men with boobs and I would agree and yet only two days ago I was informed by an acquaintance who obviously listens too often to the wireless (presumably Woman’s Hour broadcast each weekday as it has been all my lifetime at 2pm on Radio 4 – no Men’s Hour of of course to counteract this radical feminism) that there was no difference in intelligence between men and women. When I objected to this (failing to mention Charles Murray’s Bell Curve) he said that he was married and that the possibility of any difference was somewhere he could not allow himself to go. He followed this up with the assertion in response to something I said that women are no more interested in becoming Mothers than men in becoming Fathers – which sex is it pray that as infants plays with dolls? I should have responded.

    It’s not that he believes this nonsense but that voicing any other view is now regarded as morally reprehensible – and justification for outing you as a Nazi (because it is not nice to acknowledge any difference on any subject) although to say that women were brighter or even stronger would of course not have been a problem even though in itself demonstrably daft. In his particular case it may be true as his wife continues to pull the wool over his eyes, I mean what would you suppose was going on if your wife was an attendee at a swinger’s club (accompanied by an ex-partner) in your absence. Would you, as he, be unconcerned because she said she did not like the place and failed to indulge? Well would you?

    Ignorance is surely bliss.

  276. Anonymous Reader says:

    Anon
    In response to Anonymous Reader’s preposterous comment at 4:57 PM.

    Context is important. You might try paying attention to it.

    Translation : You accused me of saying something I didn’t say, I called you on it, and you are backpedaling after being caught.

    1. The overall context of this blog is marriage .
    2. One subtopic in this comment stream had to do with US men seeking women outside the US.
    3. A subthread of that had to do with women from Poland moving to the US.
    4. A person questioned why women would do that.
    5. You made a claim regarding that.

    Therefore the context was “marriage”, and you brought up Roosh. I pointed out the flaws in this, now you are having a little melt down.

    Do you regard Roosh as an expert on marriage?

    Do you regard Roosh as an expert on women?

    Not the very best, but pretty high on the list. His books contain many important teachings, and have been favorably reviewed by Heartiste, Krauser, Christian McQueen, etc. Day Bang, in particular cracks many small problems in day game that others gloss over or avoid addressing.

    Is his current life demonstrating this expertise with regard to women?

    You seem to be saying Roosh is below average, even though you obviously haven’t read his books. What is your supporting evidence? You do have to provide evidence, you know.

    What is his current situation in life? Is he still writing “Bang” books, or doing somthing else? How does it demonstrate what you claim?

    Do you understand why women in Poland or Mexico or other countries are no likely to emigrate to the US in search of men to marry? HINT: Cats are not the same as dogs. Women are not “men with boobs”.

  277. Anonymous Reader says:

    Anon
    LOL! I have contributed a huge range of insights about female psycholoLOL! I have contributed a huge range of insights about female psychology to the ‘sphere.

    Explicate, Anon, on this claim. In this thread alone you have asserted that women from Mexico and Poland should emigrate to the US in order to find men to marry. Is that an example of your “insight”?

  278. Boxer says:

    In this thread alone you have asserted that women from Mexico and Poland should emigrate to the US in order to find men to marry. Is that an example of your “insight”?

    strawman

    Anon rhetorically wondered why women didn’t travel to El Norte, then asserting that women in Latin America are similar to women here. He never asserted that they should travel.

  279. Boxer says:

    Anon may be right in suggesting that there is more miscegenation in Great Britain than elsewhere but this may be because the English women are extremely tough nuts to crack being as they are full of their own entitled self-importance (in inverse proportion to their ability) and resentful of the fact that it was Englishmen (and not women) – and America men also, of course – who built the modern world, so naturally they hate their own people because British/American success has only increasingly laid bare for all to see the limited usefulness of females.

    This is a helluva sentence, my man.

    Also, one of you fellas should define “miscegenation” to me, at least in context. In North America it means banging black chicks. Given that we all know there are no black people in the Islamic Republic of Britain, that definition doesn’t seem to follow.

  280. Anonymous Reader says:

    Anyway, more and more I am coming to the opinion that most of Game Theory is actually sinful self-worship in disguise and thus think it really is useless for most men spiritually speaking.

    Don’t confuse what is commonly called “Game” with Game Theory. The two are not the same thing.

    Are you of the opinion that a married churchgoing man should lead his wife, or should he submit to her? If he is to lead, how should he do that in the modern era? If he should submit, quote the Bible to support that.

    Earl
    I was thinking the same, plus it often acted like a mask or a way to delude yourself into constructing something that may or may not be reality.

    Is Toastmasters a mask or way to self-delusion? Or is it simply a way to learn how to be an effective public speaker?

    Too many churchgoing men are afraid of women and afraid of learning leadership.

  281. Anonymous Reader says:

    Anon
    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2017/12/29/someday-well-laugh/#comment-255711

    It makes astronomically good financial and marital sense for attractive women from EE/LatAm/SE Asia to come here by the millions. But they don’t.

    Anon
    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2017/12/29/someday-well-laugh/#comment-255722

    I mean, millions of illegal MEN came from Mexico to work in low-status labor here. Why didn’t some of the better looking but still poor women of Latam do the same, just to land an American man?

    Women don’t just up and emigrate to the US solo because they are not “men with boobs”. For a start, they are much more risk averse, for reasons that are obvious. Well, obvious to men who understand women anyway…

    Even the most grasping, gold-digging Ukranicorn doesn’t move to the US and husband hunt as a rule, she uses online sites to fish for US men who then travel to where she is. Biology isn’t just a textbook subject, and dogs are not cats.

    The importance of the OP cannot be overstated, this woman has followed the standard US path of “higher ed, carousel, epiphany, Beta search”. Parents of daughters take note, this path is why the age of women at first marriage increases every year. Parents of sons take note, this is how men wind up divorced and paying child support. The risks are not all that mitigated by going overseas, either.

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  283. earlthomas786 says:

    Is Toastmasters a mask or way to self-delusion? Or is it simply a way to learn how to be an effective public speaker?

    It’s a way to learn how to be an effective public speaker. But this is an apples and oranges scenerio. The common denominator is overcoming fear. But overcoming fear to approach and talk to women doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll be more attractive or interesting to women. The already know if they are interested in you or not…all you are doing is finding out that information. The self-delusion is thinking all of a sudden you are God’s gift to women because you can recite some lines you learned from Roissy…and I know some of those posters think that way.

  284. Anon says:

    Anonymous Reader,

    Again, you have nothing but strawmen. You obviously did not understand my point at all, even thought many others agreed with it.

    This doesn’t support your claim that ‘I have no useful insights’ at all. It is hilarious that you imagine it does. What are your useful insights, again? Answer : you have none.

    It is funny that you are effectively whiteknighting for women to the extent of claiming that ‘they are not gold-diggers since they don’t cross borders for economic opportunity’. It appears that Mandy being held to account by Boxer and myself triggered your whiteknighting frenzy.

    Keep digging. You have cleared the crust and are now well into the mantle.

  285. seventiesjason says:

    I’ve known guys in college / grad school who were “the man” when it came to women. Soft harem was the term our gracious host used.

    I would watch, and a few of these guys I was in a social circle with. I asked questions and was told a variety of answers and tactics

    Most just were “always” like this, according to them…..one friend did earnestly did try to help. Usually along the lines of “just talk about them, and tell them exactly what they want to hear, women love talking about themselves”

    All the guys were above average in general in the looks dept. I think some of it too was some sort of feedback-loop. More success breeded more success. Am I making sense here?

    When I was bartending. It was when “PUA” and “game” was peaking. I was already disillusioned with it at that point for several years at that point.

    Yes….you would see these guys all trying out the “foolproof” skills that are so easy and “never fail” yet fail these guys did. Sure many looked silly. Trying to be something they just were not, and even with practice….. they could not be.

    I saw a few were just average and were probably like me….hoping that this finally help them get in the scene of dating / sex.

    The “sarge” or teacher always was getting his crew to buy his drinks, pay his cover charge….like he was a “boss” doing all these guys a favor. Funny thing was he never was pulling the girls in either.

    The men at this nightclub I worked at who did get women???? It’s a nightclub. A shallow and pretentious place to begin with….they were the above average looking guys who had good style a little money to spend (PUA men never, never bought a drink for a woman bc that’s for ‘chumps’). The men scoring were actually friendly with the staff at the club. They were FUN to be around and their talk wasn’t canned lines or a routine. Their banter was natural and yeah…..their looks were above average…..

    Once at closing one of these men actually chatted with me at the bar for a few. I mentioned while cleaning up “women are lousy tippers.” He just smirked and said “I watch that in a woman, if I want her I watch how she treats the staff in place like this. Good way to weed out the nasty ones. I dont care how hot she is. I work too hard and I don’t waste time on a b*tch if a woman”

  286. Isa says:

    @seventiesjason It would seem you are missing magnetism, which covers any number of sins. In Uni, Former President Clinton gave a speech with a meet and greet after. I didn’t attend (only 300 tickets, so a rather huge waiting list), but among those who did it seemed every one to a man was seduced by him, including the Libertarian and Fundamentalist Conservatives. Although not attractive at that point, I am quite certain he could have slept with 3/4 of the audience if he had developed a tendresse for the lads.

  287. OKRickety says:

    “… former President Clinton gave a speech with a meet and greet after. … it seemed every one to a man was seduced by him, ….Although not attractive at that point, I am quite certain he could have slept with 3/4 of the audience ….”

    According to my ex-wife, who met him briefly when she finished a stint as a legislative page in her high school years while he was governor in Arkansas, you felt like you were the only person in the world when he spoke with you.

  288. seventiesjason says:

    I don’t think that’s a reflection of “Billy Jeff Clinton” I see more of a fine Georgetown education…..shysters that lot.

    I never voted for the man. Southern politicians are worse than New York Democrats……I was a teenager in Cuomo’s New York State in the 1980’s. Give me Rocky any day of the week!

    That aside….magnetism. Probably correct on that. Something that I don’t have. I just never felt I should be the center of attention, and the skills and confidence I do have in areas or disciplines, interests, and hobbies just don’t create that. It’s cool.

    I was a tad jealous and envivous of men who seemed to have such ease in these matters for a bit……

    Now? Not particularly. I get annoyed at men my age who ate divorced or separated have young(er) children and still seem to date with ease. Boggles the mind.

    For a long while I was the guy who had to be the friend in a circle who was the listener. The guy who would be the audience for putzes like the “game crowd” who would tell me about this date and that date and this girl and how hot she was in bed…..

    If I got annoyed, well that was why I was single….I was jealous. If I didn’t day anything, well that was why I was single……I wasn’t taking action and “really listening” to then.

    In the end when I not only kicked men like this out of my life……but quit letting them into my life to begin with. It got better for me.

    Yeah….. Magnetism, charisma……building attraction….not much I really can do at this point. It’s cool.

  289. Novaseeker says:

    I get annoyed at men my age who ate divorced or separated have young(er) children and still seem to date with ease. Boggles the mind.

    Well it shouldn’t be mind-boggling, really.

    Men who are attractive to women tend to remain so — so if they divorce they are still attractive to women if they are in shape and so on in a way similar to what they were before they married.

    This is why divorced men and women tend to do well with relationships (not with remarriage, though that’s a different story) — they are attractive, otherwise they would never have been married and, in most cases, never have divorced either.

  290. American says:

    A 13 oz jar of Vaseline is presently just over $4.00 and lasts a long time. It is a safe alternative to females which represent enormous life ruining threats and liabilities. -MGTOW

  291. Just Saying says:

    I’m engaged. And lately I’ve been having a lot of thoughts, specifically of the wedding variety

    Are some men really that desperate, that they would accept something like this? Really? Now I’m no advocate for marriage, since I spend much of this time of year bedding married women, or those with boyfriends who have been cooped up during the Holidays and are out for some fun… So I can already tell you how this will end. She’s been around the block more than a bus, and ridden by as many passengers – so now she’ll be happy with just one guy? I think not… But then, I won’t tell hubby – although I do enjoy wifey as often as possible.

    This time of year is the “most wonderful time of the year” when the women are away from their families after having spend too long with them over the Holidays, and now they want to play, play, play.. There are two types of men – those that know that and enjoy, and those that are at home being cuckolded. It is that simple…

    Get’em young… That’s what I do for those in my “core” group – get them young and enjoy them while they still believe in “happily ever after” – then move on when they are 25 and start looking for a sap to “settle down” with… Now I’m tempted to believe “this one will be different” but experience always wins out over hopeful optimism… But it’s always there… So I can understand the “looking for the one”, even if for me it’s looking for the “several”… Just don’t get all caught up in the fantasy that you don’t see the obvious that you’re being played for a sucker…

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