Brutal

[The Duluth paradigm] blinds assessors to another source of threat to children; their mother. As we will see below, severe physical child abuse is more likely to be perpetrated by mothers than fathers.

Dr. Donald G. Dutton

JudgyBitch shares her story of paternal alienation in First I feared him, then I loathed him, then I forgave him and now I take care of him: the story of my Father and me.

Both of her parents were violent when she was a young child, but her mother was the worse of the two:

My mother was ecstatically violent, and my father less so, but they were both culpable.

Eventually her mother discovered feminism and drove her father out of the home.  This greatly increased the violence she and her brothers suffered:

And then….my mother discovered feminism. She exchanged one violent, irrational, dehumanizing ideology for another, and she soon decided that she needed a man like a fish needed a bicycle. After countless physically violent arguments with my father, including one episode where she hit him in the head with a cast iron frying pan and left him for dead on the front porch, he turned his back and walked away from us, just like his first family.

One day we woke up and he was gone. My mother was quick to inform us that he simply walked away, and left us to starve in the streets, and that she alone would be the sole reason we survived and prospered. She never missed an opportunity to curse him…

Being a child, I believed it. So did my brothers.

And we loathed him for it. How could he leave us with such an evil woman? My mother once held a knife to my throat and made me beg for my life. When I was eleven. And I remember going to bed, thinking not how much I hated her, but how much I hated HIM for leaving us to her devices.

Years later she learned the truth:

And then the truth came to light.  He hadn’t walked away.  He certainly had not left us to starve.  My mother had filed for an annulment and requested a restraining order, which she was granted. When I finally saw my father again, he had two boxes with him.  One was filled with income tax returns showing that he had never missed a child support payment, and court orders preventing him from seeing us based on his violence towards my mother, along with supervised visitations that were all scheduled for when he was overseas, working to meet his child support payments.

The other box contained cards and letters.  Birthday cards and so many letters.  All returned.  By my mother.  He never stopped sending them, hoping one of us would one day get the key and fetch the mail, but my mother was always adamant that the mail was her business.  It was one of those community mailboxes, where you had to go and fetch your mail, and since I never got any mail, it never occurred to me that there was anything untoward about my mother’s insistence that only she would have access to it.

As an adult, it makes so much sense.  How did we continue to live in our house?  How was my mother able to afford food and clothing and YMCA memberships for four children without my father’s support? Of course she had his support.  But she hid it from us, and poisoned our minds against our father.  It’s called parental alienation, and she is not the first, nor the last woman to destroy her children in this way.

Related:  The Duluth model is working as designed; you won’t smart mouth her again.

H/T Heartiste

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155 Responses to Brutal

  1. Minesweeper says:

    ” feminism and drove her father out of the home. This greatly increased the violence she and her brothers suffered:”

    feminism = violence to all in Gods creation

    i can confirm this to be case particularly when personality disorders are abound

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  3. Anonymous Reader says:

    Feminsm from stage 1 to stage 3 has always contained an undercurrent of outright matriarchy. Judgybitch’s mother is an extreme example. If we’ve learned anything in the years of the androsphere, it is that just as there is a tendency for men to view women as sexual objects, there is a tendency for women to view men as utilitarian objects.

    The Duluth protocol grew out of shoddy “research” by feminists who then used their good-old-girl networks to spread it across the US, and beyond. A fully functional Duluth protocol is matriarchy, where women rule (not govern, rule) by diktat and whim. Guilty until proven innocent, as determined by the female herd & their White Knight tradcon enforcerers.

    By the way, #MeToo is a form of that, because it is taking place in the social and mainstream media where there is no right to confront accusers, rebut charges, demand evidence, etc.

  4. earlthomas786 says:

    If this doesnt prove how Satanic feminism is…nothing will.

  5. pdwalker says:

    For a real example of the horrors and evils of feminism, read Moira Greyland’s, “The Last Closet”

  6. Scott says:

    Reblogged this on American Dad and commented:
    Always remember the problem the Duluth model was created to solve was violent, abusive, controlling, deadbeat dads.

  7. Jeff Strand says:

    Pdwalker: “For a real example of the horrors and evils of feminism, read Moira Greyland’s, “The Last Closet”

    Had never heard of it, but just picked it up at Amazon in Kindle format. Out of 52 reviews, it has a hundred percent 5 star rating. Impressive. I’ll give it a read.

  8. David says:

    Walsh seems to be getting better.

    It is way too soon to think that. He still just qualifies for ‘broken clock’ status.

    A full year of solid articles, and then maybe we can re-assess.

  9. Anonymous Reader says:

    Scott
    Always remember the problem the Duluth model was created to solve was violent, abusive, controlling, deadbeat dads.

    Hmm. Just who got to define the words “violent”, “abusive”, “controlling”, “deadbeat” in Duluth, Minnesota in the late 1970’s? When men’s-fault divorce was beginning to really get embedded into the social fabric, just to add some context.

    Maybe the “problem” that Duluth was created to “solve” was “fathers leading intact families”, but all those other words were just thrown around to obscure the actual intent?

  10. earlthomas786 says:

    ‘A full year of solid articles, and then maybe we can re-assess.’

    The change has been noticable since he left the Blaze.

  11. earlthomas786 says:

    ‘Maybe the “problem” that Duluth was created to “solve” was “fathers leading intact families”, but all those other words were just thrown around to obscure the actual intent?’

    Especially since abuse could be a loose as the husband disagreeing with want the wife wants.

  12. Casey says:

    @ Anonymous Reader

    The #MeToo movement is a kangaroo court at best.

    There is no trial, there is no hard evidence, there is no rebuttal…as you said. Many of these claims are beyond statutory prosecution limits, so there will never be a trial for those ones.

    Employers are acting on this say-so and firing people. Some of the accused have admitted fault, but many more have not. The presumption of ‘innocent until proven guilty’ is now gone.

    Matt Damon has gotten himself into deep shit by trying to inject some sanity into this #MeToo feeding frenzy. He is being sorely whipped for his comments that women are conflating minor offences into rape statistics. (How else could feminists get to a 1 in 3 statistic)?

    The feminists (leftists) have tilted so far over that they are now eating their own ranks.

    It’s troubling because feminists will not relent. They will tear down the (supposed) patriarchy, and in so doing……destroy (end) western society.

    At that point, a different ideology will come in to replace our failed state. I doubt they will be lenient with the current crop of defiant, deluded, feminist women.

    P.S. Does anyone else see this #MeToo movement as a ‘spreading’ of the Duluth model and/or Family Court model to the broader male society?

    Only your spouse could inflict the teeth of the Duluth/Family courts model upon some poor sap. But this #MeToo means any woman can attack any man at any time……and win.

    I fear this is where it’s headed. A society that will severely punish any man, for any reason, at any time based merely on some complaint (large or small) by some woman.

    P.P.S. Some unattractive Fat Four grabbed my ass at Christmas party 12 years ago.

    Can I now join the #MeToo twitter army flogging that ‘Women Rape Too’?
    Can I get her fired from her job today for such a transgression?

  13. virginia says:

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  14. patriarchal landmine says:

  15. sipcode says:

    The healing in Malachi 4:6 is to heal the broken home created by women, the alienated hearts of fathers and children, the relationship destroyed by women.

    Elijah will restore this relationship. “Behold, I will send you Elijah, the prophet, before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord; and he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children,
    and the heart of the children to their fathers…” Malachi 4:5-6

  16. Mark says:

    @Dalrock

    Nice post Mister “D”.I have read a few things in the manosphere written by JB. She is Canadian I know that much.In fact,she lives East of Toronto in the same vicinity as MGTOWHorseman that we all know from this blog….from what I remember reading.She seems pretty descent considering her mother that raised her(provided what she is saying is true).Her mother is a typical Canadian Fem-Cunt…..her father…a typical “frivorced” Canadian guy.I am always happy to see you post articles concerning Canuckland…..we are more screwed up with liberalism and Femi-Nazism than you are south of us.

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  18. And at this time of year one would be remiss not to mention how such relentless and severe violence from adults unto children eventually becomes that oh so special gift that just keeps on giving.

    It is women, not men, who statistically exact far more violence, neglect and injury upon children mainly due to her proximity to them and opportunity. That of course also include those children fortunate enough to leave her physical bodily proximity and not be aborted into a cold steal pan in some urban Planned Parenthood office.

  19. There isn’t a special place in Hell for feminists.
    Because there simply isn’t enough room for them all.

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  21. Gunner Q says:

    Casey @ 2:50 pm:
    “P.S. Does anyone else see this #MeToo movement as a ‘spreading’ of the Duluth model and/or Family Court model to the broader male society?”

    No, because some feminists are concerned that #MeToo is going too far and will alienate women from Alphas. I blogged about an example at the Federalist:

    https://gunnerq.com/2017/12/19/the-federalist-is-the-feminist/

    There are no feminists worried about losing the trust of “deadbeat dads”.

  22. Mark

    JB lives in Thunder Bay on the shores of Lake Superior last I heard.

  23. Interesting.
    Nothing is more canadian than setting up an outdoor ice rink for christmas shinny.
    Too bad the men no longer are volunteering to set them up. Hmmm wonder why??

    http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-rink-closed-2017-volunteers-1.4459521

  24. Jeff Strand says:

    Casey: “Some unattractive Fat Four grabbed my ass at Christmas party 12 years ago.

    Can I now join the #MeToo twitter army flogging that ‘Women Rape Too’?
    Can I get her fired from her job today for such a transgression?”

    I suspect not, for the same reason the Left says it’s impossible for a Black to be “racist” to a White. Because of “white supremacy”, Whites can only be aggressors. Never victims.

    By the same logic, due to “patriarchy”, men can only be aggressors. Never victims. Women are always the victim.

    Nice way of setting it up, huh? “Heads I win, tails you lose.”

  25. pdwalker says:

    Fair warning: It’s not an easy read, especially if you have children that you love.

  26. Jim says:

    Cunts are gonna cunt.

  27. Was eating my fish n chips (all you can eat at the local brew pub on Thursdays) and the large “christmas party” in the “banquet room” next to the area I was seated was a cuss-fest

    Women. All talking like truck drivers. Sailors on shore leave. BT 1000’s. F-this and F-that. Every other word was a dropping of a four lettered word.

    These women were not butch, or lesbains. These women were not ghetto. These women were attractive, professionally dressed, and talking like teenage boys in a locker room. Now…..we all know that women cannot hold their alcohol……..it was pretty sloppy in their watching them. The men were dressed well, probably not saying anything “hoping” that one may want sex with one of them later.

    I found out it was a office party for a local “real estate” company. Thankfully I won’t be buying a home in Fresno anytime soon.

  28. Feminism is Eve eats all the apples, gives God the middle finger when He asks her about it, and has the snake present Adam with a restraining order, ordering him to stay 500 yards away while still being forced to provide Eve food, clothing, and shelter.

  29. Frank K says:

    Jason – What you described above regarding the “Christmas Party” you observed is why I generally avoid them like the plague. The last thing they celebrate is the Nativity.

  30. Spike says:

    JudgyBitch has always been a strange bedfellow of the Manosphere. When I first read about her, I wondered if she was being cynical. After all, Dr Helen at least had a reason for rejecting feminism: Men in her practice, day in, day out were telling her the reasons for their depression and those reasons were Woman.
    I was cynical, until I read this piece by her. Then it made sense.
    Women like her, Karen Straughn and Dr Helen are unfortunately the exceptions to the rule. Most women do not, will not ever, abandon feminism in practice (in word – they have abandoned it in droves) – until someone they actually care about is harmed by it. usually their sons.
    As I said to my wife quite some time ago, ”You will think this way and continue to think this way (feminism) until your son is deprived of his children by a woman just like you”
    This caused her to slink away form feminism, quietly stop her various rotten behaviors and generally become a better person.
    Typically of any woman, never expect outward signs of repentence.

  31. feeriker says:

    Feminism is Eve eats all the apples, gives God the middle finger when He asks her about it, and has the snake present Adam with a restraining order, ordering him to stay 500 yards away while still being forced to provide Eve food, clothing, and shelter.

    And 9.999 out of 10 women reading that description think that this is exactly the way that things should be.

  32. feeriker says:

    seventiesjason says:
    December 21, 2017 at 9:07 pm

    American women under the age of 75 should be legally prohibited from consuming alcohol in public places.

  33. feeriker says:

    As I said to my wife quite some time ago, ”You will think this way and continue to think this way (feminism) until your son is deprived of his children by a woman just like you.”

    This caused her to slink away form feminism, quietly stop her various rotten behaviors and generally become a better person.

    You’re a very lucky man, Spike. Most wives would turn feral in response to raw truth like that (think of a vampire in the face of a garlic-laden silver cross). That she actually learned and changedin response makes it even more precious still.

    Typically of any woman, never expect outward signs of repentence.

    Nope, not gonna happen. Subtle behavioral change is the best you’re ever going to see from them, never a verbal mea culpa. But then again, behavioral change is really what ultimately matters anyway.

  34. Frank K says:

    until someone they actually care about is harmed by it. usually their sons.

    Not to mention loss of access to their grandchildren

    But as Ben Franklin once said: Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will learn in no other,

  35. Anon says:

    Spike,

    Most women do not, will not ever, abandon feminism in practice (in word – they have abandoned it in droves) – until someone they actually care about is harmed by it. usually their sons.

    False. They don’t abandon it even then, since women do not grasp cause and effect.

    How many times have I pointed out that there is NO organization of even a few paternal grandmothers who protest that they lost their grandchildren when the daughter-in-law kicked the father (her son) out. Remember that when a father loses the right to see his kids, the paternal grandmother loses her grandkids too.

    Yet, of all the millions of cases of this, where is the SMALL organization of grandmothers against default daughter-in-law custody? WHERE?

    This, more than anything, tells us that women have no business possessing power or the right to vote. They can’t even think three steps ahead.

  36. Mark says:

    @MgtowHorseman

    Thunder Bay?………I was way off.That is like a 20 hour drive for us!

    “”Nothing is more canadian than setting up an outdoor ice rink for christmas shinny.
    Too bad the men no longer are volunteering to set them up. Hmmm wonder why??””

    Agreed!……..I remember my brother and I talking about this a few years back.When I was growing up you could go to 3 or 4 parks within walking distance for a game of shinny.Those parks today do not have a rink.In fact,on my way to work every morning I have not seen one rink that is up and running.Even the parks with tennis courts on them which are the easiest to set up.

  37. earlthomas786 says:

    ‘As I said to my wife quite some time ago, ”You will think this way and continue to think this way (feminism) until your son is deprived of his children by a woman just like you”
    This caused her to slink away form feminism, quietly stop her various rotten behaviors and generally become a better person.
    Typically of any woman, never expect outward signs of repentence.’

    That’s why men (to the extent they have authority over) need to stand up to the garbage known as feminism instead of submitting to it.

  38. earlthomas786 says:

    ‘And 9.999 out of 10 women reading that description think that this is exactly the way that things should be.’

    And still blame men for screwing their feminism up.

  39. Agreed!……..I remember my brother and I talking about this a few years back.When I was growing up you could go to 3 or 4 parks within walking distance for a game of shinny.Those parks today do not have a rink.In fact,on my way to work every morning I have not seen one rink that is up and running.Even the parks with tennis courts on them which are the easiest to set up.

    That’s because your dad, your friends dads and the fathers of other boys and girls were willing to make that happen. Either they did it themselves or they hired contractors to fill and scrape the rinks.

    Canadian females (worst wimminz anywhere, except perhaps Sweden) now do not need men for anything. Today’s Canadian kids don’t know who their fathers are. Let their mothers stand outside hosing and scraping for their bastards, eh? Not going to happen. Mom’s too busy banging Charlie Nobody, who hasn’t held a job in a year, and sleeps all day on the couch.

  40. Damn Crackers says:

    Feminism has been worse for the West than National Socialism ever was.

  41. Damn Crackers says:

    Oh….and Merry Christmas!

  42. earlthomas786 says:

    ‘Feminism has been worse for the West than National Socialism ever was.’

    And from what I’ve read in history books…it was the women’s vote that put Hitler in.

  43. Oscar says:

    @ feeriker

    “think of a vampire in the face of a garlic-laden silver cross”

    Dipped in holy water!

  44. thedeti says:

    How many times have I pointed out that there is NO organization of even a few paternal grandmothers who protest that they lost their grandchildren when the daughter-in-law kicked the father (her son) out. Remember that when a father loses the right to see his kids, the paternal grandmother loses her grandkids too.

    Anon: There are some women who speak out about this, particularly paternal grandmothers, and they are largely ignored mostly because there are so few of them who do speak out. It’s also because the “needs of the children” and the “best interests of the children” trump absolutely everything else, including healthy family relationships. Because “best interests of the children” usually in practice boils down to “find the person from whom the most money and resources can be extracted, and mine him for all he’s worth”. But most grandparents without grandchild visitation don’t say anything about it. In fact there is many a paternal grandmother who have sided with their former daughters in law against their own sons – even when that means losing the grandkids.

    It’s Team Woman uber alles – even above the men they marry, share homes with, have sex with, and give birth to. Some ordinary woman is more important to women even than the men they supposedly love more than anyone else in the world.

  45. Opus says:

    Does Mark by reason of his connections have any view he might care to share as to the untimely deaths of Barry Sherman and his wife Honey?

  46. Jehoiada says:

    Wow! This is the brutality you get when a society is Idolatrous and full of both “Wife Worship” and “Mother Worship.” Mother Worship with Parental Alienation of the Father in modern times is no different than Child Sacrifice to Pagan gods in ancient times. And the Secular Judges who make this happen in modern times are Priest and Priestess to these Mother gods. While probably claiming they are believers in the Most-High God. This apostasy away from the True God to make
    make wives and mothers “gods” over men who they supposed to be under the authority of is despicable. And you see this filthiness right in front of your eyes with this post.

    https://thegatheringofisraelblog.com/

    Jehoiada

  47. Embracing Reality says:

    “It’s team woman…” It’s a harsh truth in this life to face that most women you’ll meet or invest in or even women that have been in your life will side with the feminine imperative against you. Most women are takers in their relationships with men. It’s a privilege for a man to see and know this beforehand. Many men learn it the hard way. Some of them will never recover.

  48. MarcusD says:

    Woman, 20, who knifed boyfriend in the face spared jail after judge heard she was ‘charming’
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5035138/woman-knifed-boyfriend-face-spared-jail-judge-charming/

  49. Anon says:

    JDG,

    The reaction to Matt Damon’s entirely sane comments is just the latest reminder of how giving women the right to vote was disastrous.

    ‘Feminism’, far from helping women, has instead exposed the full extent of female inferiority (moral, intellectual, physical, economic, civic, parental, spiritual) far more visibly than was ever possible before ‘feminism’.

  50. Anon says:

    Marcus D,

    That is insane.

    This is precisely an example of where Artificial Intelligence (eventually) will make it harder for this type of blatant unfairness, as AI will not be capable of treating men and women differently.

  51. Luke says:

    90% of the time I quite like Judgy Bitch. She does have blind spots.
    For example, one time she related the story of how she repeatedly fed some mildly-dumb low-impulse-control black kid from outside her subdivision lunch in her house. She was giving him the same pricey organic, home-cooked-from-scratch food she gave her own family. Her husband was somewhat unhappy about the whole thing, and didn’t understand why.

    Think of it; some kid from the other side (who has a nontrivial likelihood of stealing or beating up her kids) is getting food and time that should be going to his family. Undergoing completely pointless risk to her, the kids, and the family, to give material aid and comfort to someone likely to eventually rob/rape/burgle whites like them?!? Now, if she wanted to pay for him to get a vasectomy (or one-way coach plane ticket back to his ancestral home in Aidsville, Africa) when he turned 18, that’d be peachy IMO, as long as her husband (workaholic UMC achiever).

  52. OKRickety says:

    David said: “A full year of solid articles, and then maybe we can re-assess.”

    Personally, I think encouragement and support now would be appropriate, just like a father would treat a prodigal son.

  53. American says:

    I only have one thing to say to disordered violent females, “You better BACK IT UP!”

  54. Boxer says:

    I only have one thing to say to disordered violent females, “You better BACK IT UP!”

    LOL! Saw that years ago on the Tommy Sotomayor show. Epic.

  55. Random Angeleno says:

    Once drove thru Thunder Bay on a road trip that included a side trip into Canada. Nice little town, bucolic area, but have to imagine the winters are something else. Of course that was long ago.

    Regarding the Shermans, there were definitely other parties involved. Bitter feud over inheritance, for one. Big Pharma competitors for another. Clinton & Haiti connections for yet another. Pick your favorite conspiracy theory and have at it.

    Back on topic:
    I let the ex pick the marriage counselor: she picked a female. Of course. But it turned out this one was realistic; this was long before the manosphere so I would say now that she was at least in part red pilled. The ex accused her of taking my side and stopped wanting to see her. Surprise. Not.

    Duluth is institutionalized at this point. There have been some improvements in alimony and child support, but that’s been about it. Note that the new tax law now treats alimony same as child support: taxable to the person paying, but not to the recipient. Another transfer of funds from men to women. Grrrr

  56. earlthomas786 says:

    “It’s team woman…” It’s a harsh truth in this life to face that most women you’ll meet or invest in or even women that have been in your life will side with the feminine imperative against you.

    There’s even a lot of men who side with that imperative against you. Where’s the masculine imperative?

  57. I partially red-pilled my aunt and grandma (both 2nd wave) when my cousin got shredded by his BPD woman. She actually attacked the judge in during their court case (until that point she was running the Duluth tables on him). Turns out he should have been getting paternity tests (he had fewer kids and they had fewer grandkids) then they thought (thot).

  58. Anonymous Reader says:

    Anon
    This is precisely an example of where Artificial Intelligence (eventually) will make it harder for this type of blatant unfairness, as AI will not be capable of treating men and women differently.

    Unless it is trained that way, of course. The way men are trained…

  59. Random Angeleno says:

    I used to watch Tommy Sotomayor once in awhile. Just can’t make that stuff up.

  60. Anonymous Reader says:

    OKRickety
    Personally, I think encouragement and support now would be appropriate, just like a father would treat a prodigal son.

    Then you should do that thing. Other men prefer to see Matt Walsh prove himself. Both are valid.
    Let us know how you will go about encouraging and supporting him, perhaps other men will join your campaign.

  61. earlthomas786 says:

    Woman, 20, who knifed boyfriend in the face spared jail after judge heard she was ‘charming’

    White knight or team woman?

  62. Mark says:

    @Boxer:

    “”That’s because your dad, your friends dads and the fathers of other boys and girls were willing to make that happen. Either they did it themselves or they hired contractors to fill and scrape the rinks.””

    Great point!……it was always the fathers in the neighborhood that congregated together to keep up the rinks.I remember when I was young all the kids would play a game of shinny,and then around 9pm when they went home,as they had school the next morning,the fathers would grab a few beers and play till around midnight.That does not happen anymore.As you said correctly…..”the kids don’t know who their fathers are”

    “”Canadian females (worst wimminz anywhere, except perhaps Sweden)””

    Understatement of the year!

    @Opus

    “”Does Mark by reason of his connections have any view he might care to share as to the untimely deaths of Barry Sherman and his wife Honey?””

    Thank you for asking about the Shermans. They were very close family friends.Barry was a good friend of my fathers for years.I really liked the guy.He had a reputation as a “shady character”(especially in politics) but,he was really a guy who was ahead of the crowd.His main business was and always has been pharmaceuticals.Of which,we are heavily invested in.He always made money for his friends. The death of him and his wife(and the way that they died) is still a mystery.It was not a murder/suicide….he got “whacked”.Why?….who knows.He did have his fair share of wealthy and powerful enemies.The Toronto Police say that they are looking into it?????….Ya right! The family has hired a private investigation team to get to the bottom of things……and they will! The Jewish Mob has been dispatched to get to the real goings on.I would say that since his death the people that have been hit the hardest are guys like my father.His attitude is..”if it happened to him…it could happen to me”….I know this as he has increased his private security.He did not tell me this…..the presence of armed goons that I do not know verify’s this too me. I suspect family members.He had more than a few relatives that were always trying to get his money! Keep an eye on this.You will hear the “official line” from the police…..(who cares)….but,things will come into the open…he had a lot of powerful friends that are VERY upset with his death!

  63. earlthomas786 says:

    “”Canadian females (worst wimminz anywhere, except perhaps Sweden)””

    Just about any western nation where feminism is big has the worst women.

  64. JDG says:

    Anon:
    The reaction to Matt Damon’s entirely sane comments is just the latest reminder of how giving women the right to vote was disastrous.

    Yep! I’ve been telling folks that the 19th amendment was a terrible mistake for years.

  65. Emperor Constantine says:

    I was just talking to my ex-mother-in-law. Her grandson was murdered by her son’s girlfriend last summer, a woman who was clearly an abusive lunatic but who was protected by the Duluth model. My brother-in-law was the actually the best parent I ever met. She strangled the boy before she killed herself. My ex-mother-in-law said that it’s seems to be getting worse, not better, in terms of dealing with the loss. Just another day in feminist paradise. Be well my brothers.

  66. @Hmm,

    Yes, Jodie is right, all men are responsible for flirting, dating, and procreation. These activities must be stopped. Our status as white knights depends on it. How many kids does that old Hollyweird thot have again?

  67. Uhhh. Sadly she has 2.

  68. earlthomas786 says:

    Jodie is just being a lesbian. I could care less about what she has to say about men.

  69. Frank K says:

    As if normal men play any role or have any say in what happens in degenerate Hollyweird. They refuse to admit it, but they are the problem.

    Wasn’t it just a few months ago that they were mocking VP Pence for his policy of never being alone with a woman other than his wife. Their hypocrisy just keeps growing. Of course the Veep understands perfectly well how a woman can destroy a man with little more than her word, so he takes preventive action and it drives them nuts.

  70. Jodie Foster as I remember her………

  71. American says:

    @Hmm December 22, 2017 at 4:28 pm: Jodie Foster was raised by two lesbians. Her mother was the lipstick to a bull dyke Jodie referred to as “aunt” and they lived together with Jodie in a 24/7 homosexual relationship. So it wasn’t a surprise when Jodie “came out” in 2013 as a lesbian. Jodie and her mother aren’t just disordered people who choose to engage in immoral homosexual behaviors but they are also radical feminists.

    Jodie has two sons from a liberal Harvard friend who agreed to donate his seed to her so she could have a family while maintaining her lesbian “identity.” She states that she’s never told them who their father is but will when they “turn 21.”

    Anything Jodie decides to publicly “moralize” about should be interpreted within the above context. This is a wild feminist, sexually immoral homosexual, that doesn’t respect men as men which she was taught by her feminist lesbian mother and I hope her two boys don’t go the way of Sonny Bono’s daughter.

  72. Spike says:

    feeriker says:
    December 21, 2017 at 10:45 pm
    “You’re a very lucky man, Spike. Most wives would turn feral in response to raw truth like that (think of a vampire in the face of a garlic-laden silver cross). That she actually learned and changed in response makes it even more precious still.”
    -I’d say I am feeriker.
    I came to the Manosphere / Red Pill with deep Mixed Mood Disorder (imagine mania and depression occurring together interchangeably) with escalating suicidal ideation. I’m no mental health expert, but I was out of control emotionally and in a very dark place.
    My psychiatrist at the time told me I had two problems: work and wife. No prizes for guessing that I had a female boss.
    Blogs like these did many things to heal me: they told me I wasn’t alone, they told me I wasn’t completely the problem ( my Blue-Pillness was!) and they strengthened me. So too did my faith in Jesus Christ, which had been undermined by waves of tertiary (brainwashing) education. I had to re-tool my faith from the ground up, going over and over the reasons why I believe what I do and whether I was right to believe what I did.
    I was then strong enough mentally to put Jesus’ words about loving anything more than Him being not worthy of Him into practice. I was going to follow God. My wife could either follow me, or go her way. Surprisingly, my marriage survived.

    Anon says:
    December 21, 2017 at 11:42 pm
    “Spike,
    Most women do not, will not ever, abandon feminism in practice (in word – they have abandoned it in droves) – until someone they actually care about is harmed by it. usually their sons.

    False. They don’t abandon it even then, since women do not grasp cause and effect”.

    -You are right to point this out Anon. I said what I did anecdotally because it worked for me. But it is a painful fact that, demographically / statistically, NO grandmothers get together to fight for the rights of their sons, while there has been in the West, several father-custody associations that lobby the government and put up political candidates for election.
    This is why women allies to the Men’s Movement need t be treated with caution. They want those laws there, the power of the State, “just in case”. These will not be repealed until a collapse.

    I haven’t attended an office Christmas Party for 7 years. When asked, I say, “Because it is too dangerous. Where being made redundant requires a payout or incompetence allegations require proof in court, sexual harassment accusations simply require the accusation, and you are sacked. This is why the office party is too dangerous to enjoy”
    Every women I tell this to will scoff and say, “Oh that wouldn’t happen here because …..blah blah…”
    I always say to that, “Every woman says that, and will continue saying that right up until she uses that accusation and those laws against a man. It is simply too risky”.
    The conversation ends with anger and sometimes tears.

  73. Anon says:

    Anonymous Reader,

    Unless it is trained that way, of course. The way men are trained…

    That is NOT possible, as has been explained dozens of times by myself, Ray Manta, and others.

    AI is tasked with an end result, and will always find the most productive route.
    PLUS, blue-pill betas don’t know that they are blue-pill, so they can’t figure out why an AI that is tasked with treating people fairly suddenly delivers much worse outcomes to women vs. what everyone is used to.

    Come on. Anyone who thinks an AI can be programmed to put the FI ahead of productivity (even if the competitors of that business are using AI for productivity) is just as clueless as a feminist who thinks the imaginary ‘pay gap’ can be fixed with legislation.

  74. Don Quixote says:

    Anon says:
    December 22, 2017 at 8:41 pm

    AI is tasked with an end result, and will always find the most productive route.
    PLUS, blue-pill betas don’t know that they are blue-pill, so they can’t figure out why an AI that is tasked with treating people fairly suddenly delivers much worse outcomes to women vs. what everyone is used to.

    Come on. Anyone who thinks an AI can be programmed to put the FI ahead of productivity (even if the competitors of that business are using AI for productivity) is just as clueless as a feminist who thinks the imaginary ‘pay gap’ can be fixed with legislation.

    Let me start by saying, I hope you are correct.
    But I have learnt that politics can go much deeper than I had previously thought.
    The state knows that it is easier to control the masses by undermining the family unit, and it wouldn’t be too difficult to include some FI bias into AI. And don’t think that fair competition will be the benchmark when dealing with statists. These people are evil, but they are not stupid, and I doubt they will surrender a political advantage to a fair market place system. I hope I’m wrong.

  75. Oscar says:

    Paging Mr. Boxer….

    “A north suburban woman killed her 6-year-old son last summer, according to police, then got on a train with the dead boy and another child to visit relatives in Chicago, who noticed the child was not breathing.

    Jamie L. Jones, 29, was charged Monday with two counts of first-degree murder and one count of concealment of a homicidal death, according to Round Lake Beach police.

    On July 1, Jones ’caused injuries’ to her son, Carl Rice, at their Round Lake Beach home, resulting in the boy’s death, police and the Cook County medical examiner’s office said. Jones then took Carl and her other child on a train to visit relatives in Chicago.”

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/round-lake-beach-woman-charged-in-death-of-6-year-old-son/

  76. Merry Christmas everyone! Since I am the “wage slave” (despite the claim from ‘everyone’ that I have other options. I really don’t anymore 🙂 ) I have to work at the desk, and be on call at the senior apartment complex I work and live at from tonight (Friday) thru Wednesday morning. The rest of the staff (social workers, managers, occupancy, maintenance) are off. Ready for the real haul here…..I am insignificant, but let me tell you…..I’ve done the work of the whole crew combined many a holiday weekend. Brutal!

    My extended family lives back east (New York State, and south Florida). I have not spent a Christmas with “family” since December 1993 so this isn’t new for me……but this year seems a little more of heartfelt tug and longing for the past than most.

    If our man doesn’t turn on moderation….I might ramble a bit, or not. Anyway…..I wish you all a very safe and solid Christmas.

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  78. Boxer says:

    Oscar sez:

    Paging Mr. Boxer….

    Bloody Hell. What a mess this society is.

    Thanks brother. Gave you credit.

  79. Oscar says:

    Boxer,

    You’ve taken that battle on, and you’re good at it, so when I stumble across and article, I’ll drop it here.

  80. Dale says:

    Merry Christmas everyone.

    seventiesjason, may God give you righteousness, faith, love and peace while you are on your Christmas work shifts. Remember, it is very good to have work that provides 🙂

  81. Thanks Dale! When I first got clean and sober, I moved to Fresno with no work and only enough rent for six months. My first two years in this “ball-busting” city I was unemployed. Hustling work off “craigslist” and standing at “Walmart” during harvest season (almonds) and working everyday in a dust filled barn / hopper for 12 hour days. You complain? Out you go. So…yeah my man, glad for work. Grateful. VERY grateful.

  82. Oscar says:

    Merry Christmas everyone, before our host initiates moderation!

    Hey, Jason, be careful out there.

    http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2017/12/20/bell-ringer-beaten-merry-christmas/

  83. Anonymous Reader says:

    Anon
    Unless it is trained that way, of course. The way men are trained…

    That is NOT possible, as has been explained dozens of times by myself, Ray Manta, and others.

    You’re saying it is NOT possible to train a pattern recognizer to favor women?

    AI is tasked with an end result, and will always find the most productive route.

    A pattern recognizer is trained with an end result chosen by humans. What would the training set chosen by SJW’s look like? It is not at all difficult to hypothesize a pattern recognizer aka “AI” trained to scan all the emails of a company for keywords and phrases that violate corporate “Trust & Safety” code, automatically flagging examples of sexism, ableism, failure to engage in fat acceptance, “Islamophobia”, “homophobia”, etc. It would do this efficiently…

    PLUS, blue-pill betas don’t know that they are blue-pill, so they can’t figure out why an AI that is tasked with treating people fairly suddenly delivers much worse outcomes to women vs. what everyone is used to.

    So what? AI’s don’t actually know anything, they just recognize pattern at the input and produce a classifying respose at the output. Some are pretty sophisticated, the Google project that played the game of Go for example. But even that did not “know” things.

    Come on. Anyone who thinks an AI can be programmed to put the FI ahead of productivity (even if the competitors of that business are using AI for productivity) is just as clueless as a feminist who thinks the imaginary ‘pay gap’ can be fixed with legislation.

    A pattern recognizer, aka “AI”, can be trained any old way the humans in charge want. You keep making assumptions about corporate goals that don’t match up with the real world.

    Oh, and last time I checked, the court system was not a business….

  84. feeriker says:

    Echoing everyone else’s wishes for a Merry and Blessed Christmas for all!

  85. Jack Russell says:

    Bitter femisist Jody Foster saying men over 30 are responsible for slue of sexual assault scandals. Yet says nothing about false accusations and about lesbians. I heard she is one now. Comments are worth reading
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/dec/21/jodie-foster-pretty-much-every-man-over-30-culpabl/

  86. feministhater says:

    I would like to add my wishes and prayers for all of you. Hope you all have a blessed Christmas. Thank you for another year on your blog Dalrock and best wishes to you and your family.

    It’s a cruel world but I’m just glad to have found some truth, no matter how brutal, and advise in a world of lies and deception. I’ll probably comment again just before the New Year unless Dalrock has turned on moderation.

  87. Mark says:

    I went Xmas parties all day today and tonight at the office.Must have hit at least 20 of them.A big surprise this year unlike I have ever seen……..No men! All the women were there but,the men had flown the coop.I had my g/f with me.She noticed this also.My rationale to her was ..”what do you expect with all the hysteria about sexual assault and harassment?….men don’t want to be anywhere near women…can you blame them”? She understood very well! At one party in an accounting firm when the g/f went to the bathroom I got grabbed by the dick by an office skank. She said to me..”too bad your g/f is here or I would take you into the other room and give you your Xmas present(hint:BJ)”….I replied…”If I grabbed you by the box and said the same thing I would be up on sexual harassment and assault charges….isn’t that correct”???…….She just stood their like a stunned cunt,not knowing what to say,and then I walked away. In years past I would have taken her up on her offer….but,I am trying to be a good boy as I have a really nice g/f(in fact,a unicorn…they do exist) and she would not do anything like that to me.This really is a one way street.The women can act like whores and make all the advances that they want?….but,men cannot and will be held legally accountable if they do.Relations between the sexes is bad…..but,not as bad as we are about to see! Women are going to become outcasts…all of their own doings!

  88. Mark says:

    @ Dalrock and all the regular posters here:

    Merry Xmas to everyone.Let’s make 2018 the finest year that we have ever had! Success to everyone here!

  89. Anon says:

    Anonymous Reader,

    You’re saying it is NOT possible to train a pattern recognizer to favor women?

    i) It is not possible for such an AI to last at all in a business setting.
    ii) It is not possible for blue-pill beta programmers to know how to do that consciously. You are assuming that blue-pillers know they are blue-pill. Rather, they will just program it to treat men and women equally, assuming this will help women, only to find that this helps men.

    It is not at all difficult to hypothesize a pattern recognizer aka “AI” trained to scan all the emails of a company for keywords and phrases that violate corporate “Trust & Safety” code,

    That is just basic search. That is NOT AI. It appears you are not familiar with what Deep Learning and Unsupervised Learning are.

    A pattern recognizer, aka “AI”, can be trained any old way the humans in charge want. You keep making assumptions about corporate goals that don’t match up with the real world.

    You are actually stating that a business that deliberately lowers its own productivity to favor women will survive against one that purses profit without misallocation towards women.

    The court system will use algorithms to process cases (and jury decisions) based on fairness. A number of companies are already producing AI. For example, if Family Court always operates outside the Constitution, that will get flagged more and more. If women always get lower sentences than men for the same crime, that will get flagged more and corrective force will keep being exerted by the AI. The courts will keep using this AI, for if there is one thing the courts care about more than the FI, it is moving case backlog through faster and faster.

    If blue-pill betas were able to make AIs that were woman-favoring (since a blue-piller consciously knows he is blue pill and in what way, according to you), then we would not have articles like this cropping up in ever-rising numbers.

    https://www.technologyreview.com/the-download/608700/ai-learns-sexism-just-by-studying-photographs/
    https://www.technologyreview.com/s/609129/the-dangers-of-tech-bro-ai/

    I am not sure you understand what self-learning AI is.

  90. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Jack Russell, here is what the article says about Jody’s Foster’s sons.

    Exceptions to Ms. Foster’s rule include her children.

    “I have two sons (ages 16 and 19), and I know their perspective,” the 55-year-old told the newspaper. “They go to a great school that has put them through the wringer about what consent is, what is humanism, what’s integrity. …”

    So lesbian single mom Jody Foster sent her sons to a school that “put them through the wringer.” It’s as if Foster hates her sons for being male. And they’ll pick up on that. Wonder how twisted they’ll out to be as adults.

  91. earl says:

    So lesbian single mom Jody Foster sent her sons to a school that “put them through the wringer.” It’s as if Foster hates her sons for being male. And they’ll pick up on that. Wonder how twisted they’ll out to be as adults.

    They’ll either hate her or get on the homo/trans train.

  92. earl says:

    Merry Christmas!

  93. earl says:

    At one party in an accounting firm when the g/f went to the bathroom I got grabbed by the dick by an office skank.

    She didn’t check to see if you would consent first?

    Oh I forgot…that’s only for women to use against you.

  94. Boxer says:

    They’ll either hate her or get on the homo/trans train.

    They’ll hate her either way. She’s a total loser.

  95. I keep my mouth shut around women at work, and have done so for years. I am pleasant. Polite. They know nothing or very little about my private life. I learned this at IBM in the 1990’s / early 2000’s:

    The less women know, the more likely they are to behave

    I didn’t joke, flirt or anything with women at work. I was pretty hurt already by a trillion past rejections at that point, and “work” was the one place I wasn’t going to be spurned.

  96. Isaiah 33:6 says:

    This is something bubbling up in the evangelical women’s sphere, looks like it was launched December 20. http://www.christianitytoday.com/women/2017/december/women-speak-up-in-silenceisnotspiritual-campaign.html

  97. feeriker says:

    Relations between the sexes is bad…..but,not as bad as we are about to see! Women are going to become outcasts…all of their own doings!

    It has to happen that way, otherwise nothing stands any chance of changing. Women do not grasp cause and effect AT ALL in the abstract, so it has to be demonstrated to them as a painful life experience (even then they often don”t learn).

    More than just pariahs, women are going to become targets for violence. The more and more men become marginalized, the more and more of them will inceasingly have nothing left to lose by striking out at those they perceive as responsible (and you know what they say about people with nothing left to lose – they usualy don’t). Young men and boys, especially, will turn increasingly violent towards women as conditions on the ground deteriorate ( this, I predict, will be the model of the extreme).

    Buckle up, gents. It’s going to be a very long, bumpy, and injury-inducing ride.

  98. feeriker says:

    I went Xmas parties all day today and tonight at the office.Must have hit at least 20 of them.

    I would love to see office Christmas/Holiday parties outlawed.

    1. They’re lawsuits waiting to happen in this day and age of hyper-sue-happy society.

    2. It’s idiotic to be in paranoia mode about rape/sexual harfassment and then set up an event that just encourages such things to happen.

    3. Who in their right mind wants to party after working hours with people whose existence they can barely tolerate for 8 hours every day?

    4. Most importantly, for believers, these events are alcohol-fueled celebrations of pagan debauchery, not of the Nativity of the Saviour. Why would you want anything to do with that?

  99. The “big trend” this year I have noticed that all the hipster-set are wearing ugly Christmas sweaters this year for their work parties / luncheons / end of the year recognition type of thing.

    I also have heard “All I Want For Christmas is You” more this year than when it first came out in 1994 / 1995 (in stores, malls, restaurants, out and about)

    Women in general (was at the large mall here in Fresno last week…..) are dressing trashier and trashier in place like this. You either have the teenage “baby girl” who wears pajama bottoms, flip flops, make up done, hair up….the pj’s are just low enough to show off her thong. Or you have the the usual looking like a woman who puts make-up on with a paint sprayer and is dressed like she is at a nightclub…..

    I worked in a “mall” all through high school and home summers from college………after that ordeal, I rarely if ever go to one.

  100. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    feeriker: Who in their right mind wants to party after working hours with people whose existence they can barely tolerate for 8 hours every day?

    In this increasingly atomized society, people (women especially) expect the office to be their family.

    That’s partially why the workplace is so inefficient. Women truly expect and believe that the office is supposed to serve as their family. A place of acceptance, fun and games, partying, gossip, a place to date and socialize, a place to meet and hookup with drinking buddies, plus the validation and status that comes with cool job titles and promotions.

    From where does this bizarre notion originate? Probably from TV sitcoms. Ever since the 1970s, many TV sitcoms have been set in workplaces, full of fun and attractive people joking around all day. Mary Tyler Moore Show, Bob Newhart Show, Radio News, Just Shoot Me, Wings, 30 Rock, Parks & Recreation, and of course, The Office. Among many others.

    So now women believe that the office is supposed to make them haaaaappy! And if the office fails to make them haaaaappy!, then they want a frivorce with cash & prizes. Usually in the form of a lawsuit of some sort.

    Women truly feel that if the office made them unhaaaaappy!, then they were betrayed in some way.

  101. earl says:

    2. It’s idiotic to be in paranoia mode about rape/sexual harfassment and then set up an event that just encourages such things to happen.

    I doubt Hollywood-music industry-media has got that memo yet, either.

    Nothing is really going to change yet. It’s still about only men do the harassing and only women are the blameless victims…instead of who was the seducer/instigator.

  102. feeriker says:

    In this increasingly atomized society, people (women especially) expect the office to be their family.

    That’s partially why the workplace is so inefficient

    Pure truth. I simply cannot imagine a life so utterly devoid of real meaning that it centers around the workplace. Yet that’s the reality for millions of people of both sexes. From the “workaholic” boss who practically lives at his desk (and yet whose efforts result in no more efficiency or improvement in morale or production than if he never showed up at all) to the ditz whose job title is as impressive as her complete lack of talent and qualifications and inability to accomplish even the simplest tasks, the workplace today is just a microcosm of the disfunctionality and collapse that paralyzes all the rest of society.

    It may very well take me down with it, but watching the final, inevitable collapse is going to be very satisfying indeed.

  103. earl says:

    From the “workaholic” boss who practically lives at his desk (and yet whose efforts result in no more efficiency or improvement in morale or production than if he never showed up at all)

    From what most guys say…he’s a ‘workaholic’ to avoid his disrespectful wife at home.

  104. purge187 says:

    “I was just talking to my ex-mother-in-law. Her grandson was murdered by her son’s girlfriend last summer, a woman who was clearly an abusive lunatic but who was protected by the Duluth model. My brother-in-law was the actually the best parent I ever met. She strangled the boy before she killed herself. My ex-mother-in-law said that it’s seems to be getting worse, not better, in terms of dealing with the loss. Just another day in feminist paradise. Be well my brothers.”

    Hot damn. :o(

  105. I always smirk when I hear people talk about “The Office” (the UK and USA versions) and they say “OMG, that is exactly like where I work!”

    Really? I spent over a decade in a corporate office, anyone who behaved liked that would have been in an HR office, with a “corrective action”

    I don’t know what office culture is like today but anyone who says “their office is ‘just like that’ I immediately don’t take anything else they say seriously, and I know for a fact that they work for the “county” (very little work being done there) or they work for a business that won’t be in “business” for too long

  106. Gunner Q says:

    Anon, the promise of AI isn’t a world of improved productivity and efficiency. The promise of AI is a world that doesn’t need men.

    That’s why driverless cars are currently a big priority among the Elites. Surely you didn’t believe them when the people who brought you VAWA said they care about public safety enough to get rid of all men in the transportation sector.

  107. feeriker says:

    I don’t know what office culture is like today but anyone who says “their office is ‘just like that’ I immediately don’t take anything else they say seriously, and I know for a fact that they work for the “county” (very little work being done there) or they work for a business that won’t be in “business” for too long.

    It depends. Women, as well as ass-kisser men who’ve ingratiated themselves into the pantheon of “untouchables who can do no wrong,” can get away with as much skylarking as their hearts desire while the rest of the office is forced to cover for them and get their work done. In fact, that pretty much describes the modern “workplace” across the board: incompetent, unproductive oxygen thieves being carried by a tiny (five percent) minority doing what little actual work ever gets done (and contrary to popular perception, this is true of both the public AND private-sector workplace these days. The law has erased the difference). This is why NOTHING gets done in the western world today and won’t as long Social Justice Warfare/Feminism prevails.

  108. MarcusD says:

    For the curious:

    By March 1933 the NSDAP received a larger share of the female than of the male vote and, coupled with women’s support for the DNVP, “it may be regarded as probable that the so-called national coalition (Nazi and German-national party) did not gain a majority among the men, their bare Reichstag majority being due to the strong support of the women voters.”

    (297)

    One observer, Hans Beyer, believed that women would only vote in large numbers for the NSDAP when the party was strong.

    (300)

    Claims that Hitler and his party held no attraction for women voters and that the NSDAP benefitted little from female suffrage cannot, therefore, be maintained. In the light of the NSDAP’s share of the total male and female votes, however, it would be an exaggeration to claim that the NSDAP received disproportionately high support from women before 1933 when the Nazis first gained a noticeably higher share of the female vote than of the male in Protestant areas. Though the NSDAP actually gained more women’s votes than all the other parties together in 1932 in only a few Nazi strongholds, it can no longer be denied that women’s votes did, indeed, play a substantial part in bringing Hitler to power.

    (304)

    Boak, H.L., 1989. “Our Last Hope”; Women’s Votes for Hitler: A Reappraisal. German Studies Review, 12(2), pp. 289-310.

  109. Mark says:

    @feeriker

    “”4. Most importantly, for believers, these events are alcohol-fueled celebrations of pagan debauchery, not of the Nativity of the Saviour. Why would you want anything to do with that?””

    I totally agree. As their landlord I get invited to all the Xmas parties.I choose which ones to attend.These are the ones where friends of mine are…..but,this year they all disappeared.Can’t say I blame them.Also,I stay away from the booze.If I had a drink at every party I attended I would be carried out on a stretcher!

  110. Random Angeleno says:

    There do exist more enlightened corporate workplaces when it comes to Christmas parties. I once worked over a decade for a Fortune 100 company, mostly in the 90’s. Dunno about other branches/locations of this company but where I was at, my organization parties were catered affairs held in a large conference room. A couple of years, we did potlucks. As alcohol was banned from the campus, of course it was very absent from the party. So no crazy stuff ever happened. I always thought these parties were a bit on the dull side, but I see now that the executive management knew what they were doing in this regard and am thankful for that foresight given the stories I heard about alcohol-fueled bad behavior before I hired on.

    I returned some years ago for their Christmas lunch at the behest of a couple of former coworkers who were still there. They did it in a restaurant that had a full bar … but not one person ordered an alcoholic drink, not even the retirees. Nothing but soda pop, lemonade, iced tea or water. So Christmas parties can and are still being done without incident. Just ban alcohol and put a time limit on it at the end of which everyone has to be back on the job til closing time.

  111. westray says:

    @EarlThomas,

    “I could care less about what she has to say about men.”

    C’mon Earl. You’re one of the smartest guys in the ‘sphere. You can do better than that.

    “COULDN’T CARE LESS”

  112. westray says:

    @MGTOWHORSEMAN,

    “Too bad the men no longer are volunteering to set them up. Hmmm wonder why??”

    Up next; volunteer firefighting, mass acts of heroism like the “Cajun Army” during the Houston floods, local coaching/refs/scoutmasters, community watch…then on to the professions; Armed Forces, electrical grids will start failing since the handy beta who would have handled it got rape cultured out of his university, septic systems failing etc.

    You can’t remove ALL incentives, reward and esteem from men and expect them to give back. Give back what? At no point along this journey will women ever realize it is their fault. The criticism of failing men will only grow more shrill as things crumble.

    It reminds of my buddy who had been carrying on a family tradition of volunteering to tutor at his local elementary school. He never told me this and we’ve been friends for 30 years. Best guy I know. His ex and her lawyer launched a laughable pedophilia claim during custody hearings and the female judge/attack dog immediately got on board for her ‘sister’ and started in on his tutoring; “Why do you want to be around kids? Are you attracted to them?” etc.

    Guess who doesn’t tutor anymore.

  113. MarcusD says:

    Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everyone.

  114. westray says:

    @freeriker

    Agreed. Wages have stagnated for 30 years or something like that, meaning that productivity hasn’t increased at all despite an entire gender being dumped into the workplace, doubling the amount of paychecks to be cut. They’ve added nothing to productivity while taking half the pay, thus the stagnated wages. HR, PR, and assorted other donut-box-friendly office admin jobs have to be there to meet the req’s, but nothing gets done. Yeah, yeah there’s that one kick ass girl who actually does her job as well as a man would and gets lauded as if she should have a statue built to honor her (for counting and stacking boxes in warehouse or something) but most are worse than an actual money shredder in the corner.

    I think states like current North Dakota, maybe Wyoming, South Dakota, Montana, hopefully Texas will quietly and unofficially become ‘man states’ where various degrees of MGTOW men (whether they know it or not) will go to simply produce and live..work, hunt, fish, minimalize, get a lap dance from a 19 year old under a buck fifty on occasion. Guess what states will be very, very far into the black. A shrewd governor would be wise to start pursuing this. Less money wasted on the fat little idiots in the schools and their harridan teachers for starters. Just men producing, dropping a line in, having a bourbon and getting lap dances. Not my fault for recognizing that that is simply a much better life than what most men currently have.

  115. westray says:

    Merry Christmas

  116. ray says:

    Anon — “Come on. Anyone who thinks an AI can be programmed to put the FI ahead of productivity (even if the competitors of that business are using AI for productivity) is just as clueless as a feminist who thinks the imaginary ‘pay gap’ can be fixed with legislation.”

    Not only can AI be programmed as feminist, one of the first roll-outs already is:

    https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/blog/2017/12/6/sophia-the-saudi-robot-calls-for-womens-rights

    BTW ‘Sophia’ is the gnostic name for ‘Goddess Wisdom’. The various gnostic sects for thousands of years have promoted idolatry of the feminine and rebellion against Father. So it ain’t an accident, and it ain’t new. As far as programming goes, it is a strong probability that the global anti-Christ ‘image of the beast’ will be a transhuman (and likely also a chimera).

    For decades many U.S. corporations have placed the FI and the promotion of feminism ahead not only of productivity, but even of profit. That’s how deep the conditioning goes. Talk about ‘programming’! So AI being programmed as feminist and PC not only isn’t imaginary, it is a certainty. Despite the hopes of western men that AI will provide some sort of sexual liberation from females.

  117. earlthomas786 says:

    C’mon Earl. You’re one of the smartest guys in the ‘sphere. You can do better than that.

    I know what you are getting at

    However I learned something from comments on ESPN when it came to sportsball. Everytime there would be a guy who says ‘who cares’ or something to that effect and some smartass would mention he commented anyway.

    By caring less I wouldn’t of said anything at all about it.

  118. westray says:

    Well there’s a conundrum.

  119. Westray says:

    Off topic,

    Is this FI offering a minor olive branch to men?
    Step-Dad Worship would be a very clever move by the FI. “We don’t hate men. Look at how much we respect all those Step-Dads out there.”

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/peopleandplaces/10-year-old-boy-brings-stepdad-to-tears-with-adoption-proposal/vi-BBAWsDh

  120. Random Angeleno says:

    @Westray, about your friend who doesn’t tutor anymore, I get it. After separating from my ex, I was looking for some volunteer activities to fill my spare time. I also looked into changing careers and becoming a teacher. I liked coaching kids in sports, I thought I might teach STEM subjects in middle or high school, I was remembering the excellent teachers who inspired me, but I realized over time that the suspicion of single or divorced men without children of their own is almost always going to come out sooner or later. Well guess what, I don’t need that kind of trouble. So unrelated children will never get the benefit of my mentoring, I save that for my nephews and nieces who are receptive to it.

  121. Anon says:

    ray,

    That is not AI. That is just a talking robot programmed to say a few things.

    Plus, in Saudi Arabia, increased participation from women would in fact improve the economy at first (as it is at the other extreme of the West). But in the West, an independent AI will not come to that conclusion.

    You (and some others) still don’t understand what Machine Learning and Deep Learning are, and they have nothing in common with a toy that is programmed to say pre-programmed things.

    So AI being programmed as feminist and PC not only isn’t imaginary, it is a certainty.

    False. See those articles I linked. You are assuming that a blue-pill programmer knows he is blue pill.

    They will program it for ‘fairness’ and ASSUME that this helps women, when in fact, the results will help men.

  122. Anon says:

    GunnerQ,

    Anon, the promise of AI isn’t a world of improved productivity and efficiency. The promise of AI is a world that doesn’t need men.

    False. It is women’s jobs that are more vulnerable to AI (lower productivity, more repetitive, more routine). Truckdrivers may be the only exception, but if AI removes jobs (on account of AI having higher productivity), it is women’s jobs that are more at risk.

  123. anon says:

    “Truckdrivers may be the only exception..”
    Um…pilots? Cab drivers? It’s like groundhog day in here didn’t you bring this up a few months back?

  124. Don Quixote says:

    ray says:
    December 23, 2017 at 2:28 pm

    For decades many U.S. corporations have placed the FI and the promotion of feminism ahead not only of productivity, but even of profit. That’s how deep the conditioning goes. Talk about ‘programming’! So AI being programmed as feminist and PC not only isn’t imaginary, it is a certainty. Despite the hopes of western men that AI will provide some sort of sexual liberation from females.

    Exactly!
    The imbalance we currently have isn’t a coincidence, it’s by design. The powers that be are promoting rebellion in women for political purposes, and AI will be just another tool in their hands to enforce the status quo. Then the miracle of circular argument will be wheeled out against those crazy red pill dudes because the robot said so. And put no faith in free markets, we haven’t had free markets for decades.

  125. Anon says:

    Don Quixote,

    The imbalance we currently have isn’t a coincidence, it’s by design. The powers that be are promoting rebellion in women for political purposes, and AI will be just another tool in their hands to enforce the status quo. Then the miracle of circular argument will be wheeled out against those crazy red pill dudes because the robot said so.

    False. By that argument, there will never be a correction of the resource imbalance in favor of women. In reality, that is something innately hardwired in the human brain, exacerbated through the flawed concept of democracy.

    Ultimately, the malinvestment corrects. Businesses that pursue the FI even at the cost of profit lose out to those that don’t.

    See here for full details :
    http://www.antifeministtech.info/2015/05/the-real-age-of-ultron-began-in-1985/

    None of the people who doubt the huge impact that AI will have in stripping out the FI from millions of small decisions taken every day have either a) a background in AI, or b) an understanding of why the FI is hardwired into humans, and why that hardwiring is obsolete.

  126. Anon says:

    From PM/AFT’s article :

    “For women the development of artificial intelligence will be a disaster. An AI has no reason to follow the feminine imperative. The “obvious” solution to a gynocentric woman or a mangina would be to prevent development of an “ultron” or an AI. However, like with sex bots, they are only looking at the end point. In the journey towards AI, there is a lot of disruption that will negatively impact the feminine imperative. That is why deep learning is a threat to the feminine imperative. Anytime decisions are pushed off on to computers (and deep learning is a significant shift human decision making to computer decision making), the feminine imperative will be negatively impacted. Yet, gynocentric women and manginas won’t see this coming. And this is not the first example of such a thing happening. There used to be a lot more women employed in the field of computer technology. That is because many of them were “human computers” or the equivalent in programming work. Once technologies like compilers were invented, the need for women in computer technology dropped like a lead balloon even though the need for programmers went through the roof.

    If gynocentric women and manginas were going to try and stop the real “age of ultron”, they would have to shutdown all technological advancement in computer technology. Like with so many other things that are going to wreck the feminine imperative, it’s a long term process that involves millions of men. “

    The comments also have explanations about why the belief that ‘AI will simply be programmed for FI’ is laughably wrong.

  127. Boxer says:

    Anon:

    You (and some others) still don’t understand what Machine Learning and Deep Learning are, and they have nothing in common with a toy that is programmed to say pre-programmed things.

    I expect this will be passed over in ignorance, along with years of similar salient points, but thanks for trying to explain it.

    There is really no reason to believe that AI will see the world in the way that a male feminist does. It’s actually more plausible that AI will correct for the idiocy of male feminists in a similar way that it will correct for the inherent weakness of women.

    Boxer

  128. Hugh Mann says:

    westray – “Wages have stagnated for 30 years or something like that, meaning that productivity hasn’t increased at all”

    No, productivity has increased, but real (inflation-adjusted) male median wages have been falling since 1973 – some 40-plus years. The extra profit has accrued to the top few percent.

    https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/the-typical-male-u-s-worker-earned-less-in-2014-than-in-1973/

  129. Gunner Q says:

    Anon @ 4:33 pm:
    “False. It is women’s jobs that are more vulnerable to AI (lower productivity, more repetitive, more routine).”

    Women are given mens’ jobs, can’t perform them and so white knights push for tech that can bridge that gap. Nobody is developing tech to eliminate women from the workplace; they’re all developing tech that lets Barbie do a man’s job by pushing a button. Then Alphas rise to power and begin killing off men to prevent sexual competition… and so they need replacement, artificial men.

  130. Anon says:

    Boxer,

    There is really no reason to believe that AI will see the world in the way that a male feminist does. It’s actually more plausible that AI will correct for the idiocy of male feminists in a similar way that it will correct for the inherent weakness of women.

    You are right. AI will always drive towards greater productivity and resource efficiency. For the most part, the greatest examples of low productivity/resource wastage are around the FI.

    While manginas may *think* that AI will reduce gender inequality and favor women, it will in fact find many instances of women getting special treatment (like in courts, in make-work jobs, etc.).

    Amazon is hurting retail, but women are losing the jobs.

    “According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, from November 2016 to November 2017, women lost 129,000 jobs in retail trade. Men, on the other hand, gained 106,000 retail jobs. “

  131. BillyS says:

    Bah. Most of you aren’t old enough to remember the last time AI was the next big thing. I have talked to some claiming it is really different this time, but they are wrong. It is just computers doing things faster and storing/examining more details.

    No silver bullet and it is still limited to those developing it. It will get biased to reach expected outcomes.

  132. westray says:

    @Hugh Mann,

    Well whatever the economic facts are, my point is that the guy who drives the forklift and makes 18$ an hour, would be making 30$ an hour if there wasn’t an HR fattie making 25$ an hour for her quarterly “Men Shouldn’t Commit Rape” powerpoints. We’re probably on the same side. More productivity but not more pay. Nice.

  133. Anon says:

    BillyS,

    Most of you aren’t old enough to remember the last time AI was the next big thing. I have talked to some claiming it is really different this time, but they are wrong. It is just computers doing things faster and storing/examining more details.

    Actually, both they and you are wrong. You are effectively saying that the AI of 1983 is no different than the AI of today, which is like saying the computers, video games, and wireless devices of 1983 are no different than those of today.

    AI is always a moving target. Whenever a type of AI succeeds, it gets spun out into a different name, and is no longer called AI. Speech recognition, search, etc. all fit that description.

    It will get biased to reach expected outcomes.

    Not when the bias is directly in conflict with productivity gains. This is where AI will conflict with the FI, because FI biases humans to create low productivity for perceived benefit to women. AI does not (AI does not ‘whiteknight’ when it is illogical to do so).

  134. Ray Manta says:

    Anon said:
    Truckdrivers may be the only exception

    As I remember it, PMAFT pointed out that truck drivers would still be useful for security purposes, even if they’re just a passenger in the vehicle. Of course, I wouldn’t expect them to make as much money as they do now, so AI would still negatively impact them.

    Don Quixote said:
    The imbalance we currently have isn’t a coincidence, it’s by design. The powers that be are promoting rebellion in women for political purposes,

    Isn’t it easier to believe that women rebel for their own reasons (and some people take advantage of it for their own gain) rather than in some top-down conspiracy theory?

    and AI will be just another tool in their hands to enforce the status quo

    How about we go with the simpler explanation that AI is just a disruptive technological advance that the elites will have to adapt to (not the other way around). The powers that be weren’t able to suppress the invention of the printing press and the Reformation either.

  135. Don Quixote says:

    Anon says:
    December 23, 2017 at 5:31 pm

    False. By that argument, there will never be a correction of the resource imbalance in favor of women. In reality, that is something innately hardwired in the human brain, exacerbated through the flawed concept of democracy.

    Ultimately, the malinvestment corrects. Businesses that pursue the FI even at the cost of profit lose out to those that don’t.

    Market corrections can and will occur for a multitude of reasons. But that doesn’t stop TPTB [The Powers That Be] from intervening all the time, and all the while telling everyone we have free markets. ‘Never waste a good crisis’, is the way to politicise such situations / crises. Wasn’t it the same folks who gave you* 9/11 also gave you the Patriot Act?

    * I am not an American

    None of the people who doubt the huge impact that AI will have in stripping out the FI from millions of small decisions taken every day have either a) a background in AI, or b) an understanding of why the FI is hardwired into humans, and why that hardwiring is obsolete.

    Perhaps there will be a shift back towards a more sane society? I hope that is the case.

  136. Don Quixote says:

    Ray Manta says:
    December 23, 2017 at 7:56 pm

    Isn’t it easier to believe that women rebel for their own reasons (and some people take advantage of it for their own gain) rather than in some top-down conspiracy theory?

    There’s an old saying; ‘Never attribute to malice, what can be explained by stupidity’. And I would like to believe what we are seeing is just plain ole human stupidity, but I can’t help suspecting evil. I hope I’m wrong.

    How about we go with the simpler explanation that AI is just a disruptive technological advance that the elites will have to adapt to (not the other way around). The powers that be weren’t able to suppress the invention of the printing press and the Reformation either.

    Very good point.
    And I would say you are correct in many ways, but I don’t see them surrendering any political advantage without a greater trade for power.
    and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name…

    I checked the word ‘man’ in the verse above and it is a non-specific pronoun, so I could be reading something in the text that isn’t there.

  137. Ray Manta says:

    Don Quixote said:
    Perhaps there will be a shift back towards a more sane society? I hope that is the case

    Just think of it. A world that isn’t dominated by the Kartrashians, the sex scandal of the week, and outsized vanity markets. And one with no cash windfalls to misandrist institutions that spread anti-male propaganda and laws.

  138. earl says:

    Isn’t it easier to believe that women rebel for their own reasons (and some people take advantage of it for their own gain) rather than in some top-down conspiracy theory?

    Nothing has really changed as to the reasoning why women rebel since Eve and the serpent.

    The only conspiracy theory is who is doing the serpent’s work.

  139. anon says:

    “Just think of it. A world that isn’t dominated by the Kartrashians, the sex scandal of the week, and outsized vanity markets. And one with no cash windfalls to misandrist institutions that spread anti-male propaganda and laws.”

    None of which would exist if an EMP wiped it all out tomorrow.
    THEN you’d see some very manly shit (for those left alive, at any rate).
    It all came into existence via technological progress.
    So why would further technological progression reverse that trend?
    AI will replace both male and female jobs.
    Forget the buggy whip industry and take a good look at what happened to the horse.

  140. Ray Manta says:

    None of which would exist if an EMP wiped it all out tomorrow.

    Is that what you want to have happen?

    THEN you’d see some very manly shit (for those left alive, at any rate).

    No doubt. I’m not terribly interested in seeing history repeat itself. What’s the point of throwing ourselves back to a more primitive technological level when there’s a better way available?

    So why would further technological progression reverse that trend?

    Technological and social changes greatly weakened or eliminated the forces that kept the FI in check. Since this leads to huge economic efficiencies and undermines societies, there are will be corresponding pressures to reduce or eliminate the negative effects of the FI. So yes, I expect technological progress to reverse that trend. The signs are already there.

    AI will replace both male and female jobs

    It’ll be disproportionately affecting female jobs in the near future. We can use AI to extend our own abilities and pursue goals like improving the worldwide standard of living and exploring the solar system. .

    Forget the buggy whip industry and take a good look at what happened to the horse

    Yes, in the space of a century or so, it went from economic necessity to oversized trinket. So what?

  141. Ajax says:

    Dear Ray Manta,

    Lowercase ‘anon’ is just a mangina who trolls here in order to write deliberately false paragraphs about commenters here, misrepresenting them. He is not a thinker by any stretch. Think of a poor man’s David Futrelle who lacks the work ethic to even maintain a blog the way Futrelle does.

    Your brilliant answers deserve a better interlocutor than this mangina.

  142. anon says:

    Yes, in the space of a century or so, it went from economic necessity to oversized trinket. So what?

    We are the horses in this scenario.

  143. Ray Manta says:

    We are the horses in this scenario

    There’s a fundamental difference between tools (horses) and toolmakers (us). Therefore your analogy fails.

  144. anon says:

    Sure would be hard for AI to make tools.

  145. BillyS says:

    Actually, both they and you are wrong. You are effectively saying that the AI of 1983 is no different than the AI of today, which is like saying the computers, video games, and wireless devices of 1983 are no different than those of today.

    Right anon. Keep drinking the Koolaid!

  146. Anon says:

    BillyS,

    Right anon. Keep drinking the Koolaid!

    What a brilliant and profound rebuttal! /sarc

    Translation : BillyS has no real rebuttal, and no knowledge of either technology or the FI. He got in way over his head with his ‘technology has not advanced since 1983’ statement.

    You made the assertion that technology has not advanced since 1983. It is your job to prove it.

  147. Ray Manta says:

    Ajax said:
    Lowercase ‘anon’ is just a mangina who trolls here in order to write deliberately false paragraphs about commenters here, misrepresenting them.

    Thanks for warning me, but I’ve seen jerks like him before. Note that he’s now down to 1-sentence, pseudo-profound replies. If he becomes too obnoxious, I’ll simply filter out his posts with a script.

  148. anon says:

    You have a very very low bar of tolerance for disagreement is you think my responses to you are obnoxious.
    It is true in the purest sense that AI will increase productivity to the detriment of the “unproductive”. But it should be obvious there’s a point where AI replaces the human ability to “produce”. This isn’t limited to “repetitive tasks” (many of those have already been automated). A human-level intelligent AI could do scientific research, arbitrage, reality TV production, anything a human at a computer could do. AI will quickly surpass human level intelligence. It took 66 years to go from the Wright Brothers to the Moon Landing. I’m done talking to you now, don’t worry you don’t have to filter my posts out with a script.

  149. Ray Manta says:

    anon said:
    You have a very very low bar of tolerance for disagreement is you think my responses to you are obnoxious

    I definitely consider one-sentence koanic-style “rebuttals” to be obnoxious. Too bad. It appears at least for now you’ve abandoned that argumentation style after I called you out on it (in response to another commenter who fingered you as a troll).

    It is true in the purest sense that AI will increase productivity to the detriment of the “unproductive”.

    It’s true in the practical sense too, and I don’t understand why you’re putting the word “unproductive” in quotes. Low-productivity jobs should be eliminated and low-productivity people should be put out of work. I’m also for every adult receiving a basic monthly income, and believe that governments will eventually be forced to implement one.

    But it should be obvious there’s a point where AI replaces the human ability to “produce”.

    Then we’d all be wealthy, at least by historical standards.

    This isn’t limited to “repetitive tasks” (many of those have already been automated).

    I know that. And even in terms of relatively simple automation tasks, we have a long way to go before they’re completely automated.

    A human-level intelligent AI could do scientific research, arbitrage, reality TV production, anything a human at a computer could do. AI will quickly surpass human level intelligence.

    Again, I know that. I don’t see why it still can’t be viewed as an augmentation of human capability.
    The laptop I’m typing from allows me to do things that would be impossible or impractical a few short decades ago. So will AI, both in the near and more distant future.

    It took 66 years to go from the Wright Brothers to the Moon Landing.

    And then we hit a (temporary) impasse due to a combination of factors. Thanks in part to AI, we’re poised to go into space again for the right reasons.

    I’m done talking to you now, don’t worry you don’t have to filter my posts out with a script.

    Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

  150. Bee says:

    Isaiah 33:6,

    “This is something bubbling up in the evangelical women’s sphere, looks like it was launched December 20.”

    That is a significant article which shows more feminist convergence wedging into Evangelical Christian institutions. They are elevating the Seneca Falls Convention, women preachers, and actively condemning the Patriarchy.

    Christianity Today has been matriarchal for some time now.

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