Devouring a lifetime of courtship.

I’ve written in the past about women’s complaints that men aren’t meeting their expectations for courtship, and why it is entirely rational for men to either withdraw from traditional courtship altogether or limit and carefully target their courtship expenditure.  Women have (as a group) greatly expanded the period of time they expect men to court them.

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He gets the desert.  She gets dessert.

The poster child for women drawing their husband search out has to be the 700 Club’s Wendy Griffith.  Griffith urges Christian women to slow down in their husband search in order to hold out for the perfect man God has in store for them.  53 year old Griffith* dedicated her book on the topic:

To my future husband: I know you will be worth the wait!

But what about her imagined future husband?  Will it be worth the wait for him?  If she’s 53 and still hasn’t found him yet, he’ll probably be in his 50s or early 60s by the time they marry.  Will 30-40 years of courtship all be worth it to marry a woman who is too old to have children, a woman who spent her youth building her career while forming and dissolving romantic attachments with a parade of other men?  Was it really God’s plan for him to spend 40 years wandering in a sexual desert, buying an endless string of unserious and ever more demanding women dinner (and more), to ultimately marry a woman in her 50s?

As a sign of our age, not one of the 98 reviews currently on Amazon.com points out how ridiculous it is for a never married woman in her fifties to offer herself as a husband hunting role model.  Griffith doesn’t say she did everything right, but her takeaway from a lifetime of not finding a husband was that she needs to slow down and be more demanding.  Chapter 11 is titled:

You Are Worth the Price of Dinner and Dessert!

Griffith is so proud of this chapter that she published it as an article at CBN and elsewhere.  Read the whole thing to see the full absurdity.  She closes the chapter with:

God wants you to know that you are worth the price of dinner and dessert—and so much more! You are worth someone being “extravagant,” even lavish, over. After all, you are a daughter of the Most High King, a royal treasure, a beautiful masterpiece, a pearl of great price. You are a lady, and a true gentleman will recognize your value and act accordingly. Don’t settle and don’t forget to order dessert.

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*See the second footnote at the bottom of this post for the calculations behind my estimate of Griffith’s current age.  Since Griffith’s book was published in 2014 she would have been younger at first publication, but still in her 50s.

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227 Responses to Devouring a lifetime of courtship.

  1. Cane Caldo says:

    As a sign of our age, not one of the 98 reviews currently on Amazon.com points out how ridiculous it is for a never married woman in her fifties to offer herself as a husband hunting role model.

    Sad!

  2. Jonadab-the-Rechabite says:

    For the woman was created for the man, and not the man for the woman.

    It might be better if instead of waiting for the perfect man to make her happy she instead prepared herself to be the perfect help-meet so the man’s dominion might be multiplied.

  3. Anonymous Reader says:

    At least she has her high self-esteem. What more does a girl really need? Well, besides a red laser dot on her date, of course.

  4. Novaseeker says:

    She’s also a terrible example for any average woman of her age who may be in the predicament.

    Griffith is well, well above average looking for her age. She’s in the top 5-10% of women in their mid 50s, easily. That in and of itself makes her advice almost completely useless for the average woman of 53, never mind the average woman of 43 or even 35. Griffith had a very specific set of issues that led to where she is today: she’s very good looking and she’s a very public Christian, and both of these have led her to be extremely picky to the point where only very few men are capable of meeting her criteria. Of course her preaching to women to be even pickier than she has been herself is quite obviously silly, but also telling in that she seems to be truly blind to the nature of her own problems.

    I suppose that is understandable to some degree. Likely she was always rather physically attractive — not model quality, mind, but quite attractive. That means she has always been looking for a very attractive man — that’s assortative. Plus looking for a man who met her Christian criteria, whatever those are in her specific case. So you end up with a woman who is setting a very high filter and of course most men are not going to qualify — so she just keeps looking and looking and looking and, unlike most women, she is enabled in this to some degree by her looks persisting well past where they really tail off for more average women (perhaps in part due to her never having had children), which further justifies, in her own mind, her very high filter. Until she finds herself in her mid-50s and stuck in the same high-filter mindset, even though she, as a very attractive woman in her mid-50s, is of course not even close to being the same as a very attractive woman of 26 or even 34. But she’s stuck – she’s still prettier than most of her age peers, and in better shape than most of them, so her high filter seems justified — even though the market for men at her age is objectively terrible, meaning that a filter like hers is the dumbest thing you could ever do if you were really serious about getting married.

    Which leads me to my final point. I doubt that she is genuinely serious about getting married. Self-deception is a powerful thing, but almost all women at 53 know the score when it comes to the marketplace they’re in, and they either deal with it realistically or, in many cases, just abstain because they don’t like the market. I am guessing that Griffith is doing the “soft” version of the latter — not really very serious about finding a husband (I mean how can she be with the approach she is taking at 53), but selling average women the fantasy that they, too, can find a superlative, fantastic man themselves if they are never married at 53. She can’t be serious, really — it’s just unfortunate that so many *other* women are so gullible — because, I suppose, it’s human to *want* that story to be true, to believe that you can have super high/impossible standards in your mid 50s and still find a superlative, sexy, Godly man with no baggage at all and so on. Fantasies are seductive in that way, I suppose.

  5. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Personal ads are full of women “seeking a man who will treat me as the Queen that I am!

    This concept of an ordinary woman being a queen seems to have originated in the African-American community, but it’s seeped into the mainstream.

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  7. Embracing Reality says:

    Novaseeker is correct about Griffith’s level of attractiveness exaggerating her desirability in the dating/marriage market. It’s exaggerated to the point she is deluded about herself. This is only the case though because she’s doing business’ in the fattest country in the world. In many European countries, outside the UK, she wouldn’t be much above average. American women are in pitiful physical condition. However common the state of obesity, it’s still absolutely pitiful. America the pitiful..

  8. feministhater says:

    Just laugh gentlemen. She will be 80 and still sprouting the same nonsense. Her ‘Mr Right’ having either found another spouse 50 years before or having lived his life free from her madness.

    She is simply not worth it. I can’t believe how these women are creating a drove of MGTOW men. I don’t even stand in their way and try to get them to change their direction before it’s too late. It’s too far gone for that. I kindly remove myself, wish them luck, step off to the side of the road and watch them speed down the tarmac towards that wall.

    We’re living in a time of great delusions and the most any man can do is to remove himself from the illusions as much as he can. Saving this dump? Not really possible for the righteous man. In truth, these women do not want to be saved, they’ve lived their self-delusions for so long that waking them up will probably have drastic and tragic consequences.

    Was it really God’s plan for him to spend 40 years wandering in a sexual desert, buying an endless string of unserious and ever more demanding women dinner (and more), to ultimately marry a woman in her 50s?

    Women do not care.

  9. The Question says:

    This also goes back to what you’re written about the attitude of abundance. No woman who truly believes there is a dearth of good men thinks or talks like this.

    Since it’s the Christmas season, I’ll borrow from Christmas Vacation and say she’s telling women to pull a cousin Cousin Eddie by holding out for a management position.

  10. Pathfinderlight says:

    This is off topic, but the ads on mobile have gotten rediculous. On the front blog page, it shows an ad between each post intro. Can you reign this in, or am I going to have to get ad blocker for my phone?

  11. earlthomas786 says:

    For the woman was created for the man, and not the man for the woman.

    It might be better if instead of waiting for the perfect man to make her happy she instead prepared herself to be the perfect help-meet so the man’s dominion might be multiplied.

    But if she’s already a ‘pearl of great price’…why would she need to improve herself?

    This is why women need to learn a little less about self-esteem and a little more about humility.

  12. @Novaseeker

    I think there’s a potential elephant in the room that you missed. You are right that Griffith might be in an awkward position as an older woman who is very attractive because any man attractive enough for her can get younger women. But I think it’s more likely that she has actually *not* been holding out for a husband (i.e. she’s not a virgin). She has actually not been holding out for a man because she already has a man (or many men) in her life, most likely. Kinda like how modern women delay marriage because they’re on the carousel. Are we really to believe that this woman has *really* been holding out for a husband? I wonder if anyone here is masochistic enough to read her book to find out if she mentions sleeping with men in her twenties (no doubt couched in the language of postmodern self-esteemism: “I sinned by not thinking that I deserved better than to sleep with bad boys”).

  13. Jay Fink says:

    I would like some advice…It’s definitely on topic for this. I dated a girl 20 years ago, when we were in our late 20s. I remember thinking she was the right one for me and I could settle down with her. She liked me but wanted to date around. She ended up riding the carousel for years with stretches of dry spells. She never married or had children and she didn’t especially work hard to advance her career. She just kind of drifted through life.

    She called me out of the blue the other day and I met up with her for the first time since 2001. It was kind of nice believe it or not. We still have a chemistry with each other and she still looks fairly attractive. A good friend of mine met her and he was very impressed with her and tolsd me to pursue her. She has been contacting me a lot since our date and seems interested in being with me more than she ever has. My strong impression is she wants to settle down with me for life.

    Here’s what bothers me (a lot). I would have married her 20 years ago. I could have easily pair bonded with her and grow old together. She must have thought that she could do better but it never happened for her. Now she is trying to walk back into my life post-menopausal. I didn’t get much of her peak beauty years but now she wants me for her getting old years. That seems like a raw deal to me. My friend would argue that she has a lot of good qualities and being with her beats growing old alone. I don’t think I could ever get over the fact that she wouldn’t sell high when she was younger but only sell low when she is older (to put things in crude marketplace terms.) Is it right for me to think this way or am I making too big a deal about it?

  14. Frank K says:

    In many European countries, outside the UK, she wouldn’t be much above average.

    Not so sure of that. Sure, European women might be thinner, especially in their youth, but the Wall is the Wall (Griffith has done a good job avoiding it, which makes her an outlier). And I’ve seen plenty of matronly middle aged women throughout Europe.

  15. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Jay Fink, my advice:

    Do not marry her. And be careful you do not get her pregnant (lest ye be trapped into 18 years of child support — are you sure she’s post-menopause?)

    Tell her, “You know, at this phase of my life, I’m too old to get married.” Put it on yourself, not her, lest she become enraged.

    If she’s safe, no crazy eyes, then continue seeing her. But do not move in together, lest she get her legal hooks into you. One phone call to the police, claiming domestic violence, and you’re out on the streets, and she’s living in your home.

    Continue seeing her if you enjoy her company. Do so for years, or even decades. But never live together. Never mingle your finances. But make it clear. No marriage. No kids. No living together.

    If she insists on marriage, wish her well and say good-bye.

  16. Frank K says:

    Is it right for me to think this way or am I making too big a deal about it?

    It is very right for you to think that way. Just the fact that she rode the carousel is an instant disqualifier. And since as you mentioned, since she didn’t actually develop a career (and probably has no savings whatsoever and might be up to her eyeballs in debt), she’s probably in beta wallet seeking mode. You’re a meal ticket for her. She expects you to pay for what she gave away for free in her youth.

    In the end, it’s your decision and I understand that you don’t want to spend the rest of your Earthly days alone, but worse things could happen, like her divorcing you after a few years and being awarding a big chunk of the money you worked so hard to save,

  17. @JayFink

    Only you can know what God wants you to do so gain of salt what I’m saying here…

    A lot of red flags, bro. Women will absolutely settle down with men they don’t really want.

    I don’t want to be cynical because God can work wonders in people’s lives. If she’s virtuous and you think can help you be a better Christian it might be a good idea.

    But man she didn’t want you then, and now she does? And her financial situation isn’t great? And yours is? Mind how you go, man.

  18. earlthomas786 says:

    Is it right for me to think this way or am I making too big a deal about it?

    I’d say you are right.

  19. honeycomb says:

    Good for her .. she finally found a way to profit off her mistakes .. and she’s helping her self-esteem by creating more wimminz just like her .. because all she has now is “validation” of her choices.

    I bet her dance card is empty .. or a shell of what she demands.

  20. Days of Broken Arrows says:

    It gets worse.

    Coastal Virginia Magazine put Wendy Griffith on their 2010 list of “Sensational Singles” when she was 45 years old. According to this article, her longest relationship at that age was…TWO YEARS.

    This says to me there is some major dysfunction going on with her. Not only can’t she marry, but she can’t even sustain a relationship! I personally had the “two year” mark beat at age 19, as did my then-girlfriend. My mind is boggled that someone with these “credentials” would feel comfortable giving out any dating advice.

    http://www.coastalvirginiamag.com/October-2010/20-Sensational-Singles/

  21. Opus says:

    @Jay Fink

    She’s done it to you once before; you must bet on her doing it again.

  22. Yet Another Commenter, Yet Another Comment ("Yac-Yac") says:

    @JayFink:

    I read somewhere or other (mebbe even on this here blog): “In matters of the Heart, men are Romantics pretending to be Pragmatists, but women are Pragmatists pretending to be Romantics.”

    I have been more or less where you are. She is being very Pragmatic. You need to be even more so.

  23. thedeti says:

    Griffith had a very specific set of issues that led to where she is today: she’s very good looking and she’s a very public Christian, and both of these have led her to be extremely picky

    Well, yes. That, and her spending her younger years working as a small to medium market TV reporter. Those people are low paid, move around a lot in efforts to advance their careers and earn more money, and work very weird hours. None of that is conducive to marrying.

    According to her CBN bio, she graduated college in 1986 and started working in 1987. She’s had a broadcast career spanning 30 years now. Most people who graduated college around that time had gone in right after high school and finished in 4 years, making her 22 or 23. So I’d say age 53 is a safe bet.

  24. RJ says:

    Modern American women are delusional.

  25. David says:

    Sad!

    Seconded. How pathetic can cuckservatives be that there is not one review pointing out this very obvious thing?

  26. OKRickety says:

    feministhater said:“She will be 80 and still sprouting the same nonsense.”

    I don’t want to think about what she might be “sprouting” at 80. 🙂

  27. seventiesjason says:

    This Wendy character. Never heard of her. I agree with Nova, she’s an exceptional woman for her age looks wise.

    The question that she will never answer is “how many guys in college, early career, in the 1990’s and beyond did she “pass up” because she didn’t feel a “spark” instantly?”

    How many men over the decades just didn’t even “try” for the fact her qualities and expectations she had by her abilities, her mannerisms and attitude gave clear signals of “You’re sweet, Jesus loves you but don’t even ask me out. I will decline”

    Most Christian single women at 30 right now don’t look as good as she does.

    She also has the mindset of “God is an American” that a Christian man must be a provider of / in the sense of the American dream of upper middle class living with hubby as “an important leader in the mega church” and of course vacations, private schooling, and her no longer having to work.

  28. Steve says:

    Hi @JayFink
    As noted above, I’d be very careful, both due to the chance of an “oops pregnancy”, and due to the legal assumption of debt. The other red flag is her “settling” for you, which is a topic Dalrock has addressed a number of times. The thing I had missed until now is apparently, American women are engaging in the fleece marriage, and due to the laws & legal conditions now, normal men can find themselves trapped.

  29. Novaseeker says:

    But I think it’s more likely that she has actually *not* been holding out for a husband (i.e. she’s not a virgin). She has actually not been holding out for a man because she already has a man (or many men) in her life, most likely.

    @ayatollah — Of course, that could very well be. She talks the Christian game, but we don’t know if she walks the walk at all. I do think that she can’t be serious thinking she will find a husband who meets her criteria at her age, so it’s possible that it’s all just a cynical ploy in the end. Wouldn’t be the first time.

    @jay —

    Lots and lots of red flags here. If you’re feeling this uncomfortable already, that in itself is a big red flag. I would pass. If you date her, make sure it’s on your terms and that you aren’t railroaded into anything, because there are lots of flags here and it looks fishy to me.

  30. earlthomas786 says:

    She’s in the top 5-10% of women in their mid 50s, easily.

    Overall I’d agree, she’s in good shape and dresses well…but I also know that makeup artists can do wonders too. There’s no superficial coverup that can overcome 53.

  31. Jack Russell says:

    As a sign of our age, not one of the 98 reviews currently on Amazon.com points out how ridiculous it is for a never married woman in her fifties to offer herself as a husband hunting role model.

    Wouldn’t surprise me if Amazon censored any comments relating to the above statement. They removed most if not so-called negative reviews about Hillary’s latest book and other lefty publications such as feminist baby etc.

  32. feeriker says:

    It might be better if instead of waiting for the perfect man to make her happy she instead prepared herself to be the perfect help-meet so the man’s dominion might be multiplied.

    That would be the approach that a woman of humble heart would take, a woman who is aware of her proper role and how God would have her fulfill it.

    That is obviously not Wendy Griffith. Matter o’ fact, I see no difference whatsoever in attitude or practice between Griffith and the most hedonistic and self-centered of unbelieving women who maske up the cultural majority.

    Griffith had better hope and pray that some man “settles” for her, because that’s her only realistic chance for marriage at this point.

  33. earlthomas786 says:

    That would be the approach that a woman of humble heart would take, a woman who is aware of her proper role and how God would have her fulfill it.

    Certainly a woman who doesn’t think of herself as ‘a pearl of great price’. Or at least knows that passage pertains to Jesus and the kingdom of Heaven being the pearl.

  34. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Many five star reviews might be fake. There are marketing companies that sell online reviews for Amazon, Yelp, etc.

    Here’s how to spot a fake review:

    * It’s 5 star.

    * It’s brief and nonspecific.

    * It only references things found in the product description (indicating the person didn’t actually watch the film, read the book or use the product).

    * It refers to family members, so as to appear like a “real” person.

    * It’s a Verified Purchaser. Marketing companies will often send a code to their paid reviewers, so the can buy the product for free. This way they’re “Verified Purchasers” and look more real.

    * The same reviewer posted a dozen or more brief, 5 star reviews on the same day. Some reviews, I found, post over 100 reviews a day. [Normally they’ll include one or two low star reviews, presumably from non-clients, to appear more real.]

    Typical fake, 5-star reviews I’ve seen on Amazon:

    * Parker Posey is a great indie actress. [Says nothing about the film. Just mentions the actress in a generic way, her name taken from the product description.]

    * I love horror and this fit the bill.

    * My uncle loves Westerns so I gave him this as a Christmas gift and he loved it.

    * Gave this to my daughter in college and she loved it.

    * Five stars. [Yes, many reviews simply say “Five stars.}

    There are many articles on fake review. Google “how to spot a fake Amazon review” and see what comes up: https://www.wikihow.com/Spot-a-Fake-Review-on-Amazon

  35. Carnivore says:

    My question to Wendy Griffith would be, “If you are worth the price of dinner and dessert, what is the man buying you dinner and dessert worth?” No doubt the answer is the honor of Wendy’s company for dinner.

  36. No doubt the answer is the honor of Wendy’s company for dinner.

    I wonder how much “free eating” Wendy has got in over the years and how much was compensated. 26 years on the market…Thursday, Friday, Saturday…

    2 Thessalonians 3:10 KJV
    “For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.”

    Fine Christian woman.

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  38. Tom C says:

    God is Laughing:

    That Thessalonians quote is similar to an old Aesop’s Fable, The Brazier and His Dog. When his master worked, the dog slept. When his master began to eat, the dog happily begged for food. The man then berated the dog, saying “…do you not know that labor is the source of every blessing, and that none but those who work are entitled to eat?”

  39. Someone says:

    Wendy would make a nice ‘side chick’ or casual bang buddy. I can’t imagine marrying one that stupid though and wasting money on a dinner date.

  40. Dave says:

    I continue to believe that one of the most brutal ideologies ever invented against humans is feminism. This movement is so simple, so effective, so dangerous, so destructive, and so thoroughly evil, a human mind could not have invented it.
    I believe feminism is the most brilliant invention that originated from the darkest caverns of hell itself.

    In its final form, feminism destroys every plan that God has for man, for woman, for families, for children, for the earth, and for the future as a whole. No other ideology simultaneously sacrifices, children, destroys marriages, alienates men and women, promotes perversion and rebellion in society, and imposes unending misery on the largest segment of the population, the way feminism does.
    Feminism is proof that the devil exists, and that he hates humans with a perfect hatred.

  41. adam says:

    The delay of first marriage by women partly reflects their increased educational attainment.

    A very liberal economist finally admits that this, combined with women’s hypergamy, is contributing to income inequality, but of course he can’t bring himself to recommend the most obvious solution.

    “So, women’s earnings are now a closer to men’s—and especially to the men they are married to. This has further fueled family income inequality. Our colleague Gary Burtless finds that 13 percent of the rise in adjusted personal income inequality between 1979 and 1996 occurred because of an increase in the correlation of spouses’ earned incomes. Similarly, Christine Schwartz estimates that if the correlation between spouses’ earnings had not increased, the rise in inequality of earned income among married couples from 1967 to 2005 would have been about 25 to 30 percent less.

    The combined effect of these four factors combined—increased educational attainment among women, rising labor market returns to education, the marriage gap by education level, and assortative mating—has been to push up income inequality at the family level.

    Income inequality is then being driven, at least in part, by forces that most commentators would welcome, including dramatic improvements in women’s education (though concurrent declines in men’s education are less welcome), or which lie well beyond the reach of public policy, such as our apparent preference for a similarly-educated husband or wife. Inequality results from a complex mix of social and economic factors; a fact that policy makers would be wise to remember.”

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2017/11/17/college-friends-keep-getting-married-its-bad-news-for-your-travel-budget-and-inequality/

  42. PokeSalad says:

    Any man of reasonable means, who has taken reasonable care of himself, can do soooooo much better than 53, no matter how she looks. It’s a no-brainer.

    Welcome to Rollo’s SMV Chart, Wendy! Enjoy your stay!

  43. earlthomas786 says:

    I continue to believe that one of the most brutal ideologies ever invented against humans is feminism.

    I think it was Communism. Look up some of the things Lenin put into place in the Soviet Union. Things like abortion, no-fault, state sanctioned day care, convincing mothers to work for the state rather than raise their kids…all came from that. We still have the errors of Communism infecting everywhere…but we don’t have the nasty big nation superpower to fear.

  44. earlthomas786 says:

    Welcome to Rollo’s SMV Chart, Wendy! Enjoy your stay!

    Good thing her MMV is through the roof. A pearl of great price needs something to overcome menopause.

  45. feeriker says:

    She can’t be serious, really — it’s just unfortunate that so many *other* women are so gullible

    If she truly is not serious about getting married and is consciously and cynically leading other women astray, then she is a servant of Satan and deserves to be cast into the same place he will eventually be cast.

  46. JDG says:

    God wants you to know that you are worth the price of dinner and dessert—and so much more! You are worth someone being “extravagant,” even lavish, over.

    Why does this woman think she get’s to speak for God? What kind of lunacy makes her actually
    believe that God counts every single woman that happens to read her book as someone deserving of a free meal and being lavished over? Is there a context I’m missing here?

    After all, you are a daughter of the Most High King, a royal treasure, a beautiful masterpiece, a pearl of great price.

    We are instructed:
    Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord,
    and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you,
    18 and I will be a father to you,
    and you shall be sons and daughters to me, says the Lord Almighty.” – 2nd Cor 6:17-18

    1st) Must I reiterate the obvious fact that if the women are daughters of the Lord, then the men are His sons.

    2nd) References to Zion do not count as references to women who want special, unmerited treatment.

    3rd) I can find zero references to women (or even any woman) as “a royal treasure, a beautiful masterpiece, a pearl of great price.” Proverbs 31 does refer to an excellent wife as being far more precious than jewels, but being a faithful and God fearing wife is a far cry from being a church going female who wants to marry.

    You are a lady, and a true gentleman will recognize your value and act accordingly.

    1st) Unfortunately this is the day and age of 89% premarital sex stats, 70+% of female initiated divorce, and utter blindness to masculine behavior in women by most of the population. Being a single female who attends church does not guarantee a woman is a lady.

    2nd) I’m of the mind that “true gentlemen” do not automatically count the promiscuous and rebellious the same as the faithful. How many of the women reading this woman’s book are going to be in the 11% that didn’t give away what rightfully belongs to a future husband? How many are feminine and willing to submit to a husband’s God given authority? How many will cook, clean, and faithfully fulfill the duties of a helpmate? In other words, what are these “royal treasures” bringing to the table?

    Don’t settle and don’t forget to order dessert.

    You hear that guys? According to the current folly that passes for advice these gals should not settle, and this when women (who already over value themselves in the marriage market) will only deem 20% of the males they encounter as worthy of consideration.

    I guess what’s really bothering me (in addition to the author presuming to speak for the Almighty) is that older women who claim to be in Christ and want to teach younger women already have their instructions:

    3 Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, 4 and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, 5 to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled. – Titus 2:3-5

    So any non-biblical BS is just snake oil. Folks like this author are the true misogynists. If they really cared about women they would teach the truth. But it would appear that they are incapable of that.

    In western society marriage worthy women are nearly extinct, and the laws of the land DO NOT recognize marriage as God has designed it. In fact many components of genuine marriage are considered against the law.

    So Christian men would do well to survey the current terrain, seek wise council, vet very carefully, and pray for discernment before making any kind of life long commitment to any woman.

    “Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves.” – Matt 10:16

    “Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.” – John 7:24

  47. Jay Fink says:

    Thanks everyone for your advice. I will take it.

  48. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    earlthomas786, I’m pretty sure that many of Lenin’s reforms were first attempted during the French Revolution.

    In many ways, 1789 marks the birth of the modern, secular era.

  49. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Don’t settle and don’t forget to order dessert.

    Few American women forget to order dessert.

  50. dvdivx says:

    I must have missed the part of the Bible calling for women to be childless harlots. I do recall Jesus describing the fate of harlots as being unpleasant however.

  51. Anon says:

    While it is important to point out why Wendy Griffith is not qualified to advise women on marriage..

    I don’t have any problem whatsoever with her swindling cuckservatives and manginas out of money.
    I have only a minimal problem at most with her profiting from misleading young women, as it was the duty of mothers and grandmothers to guide young women into the right decisions, and Wendy Griffith is just filling the vacuum.

    Overall, Wendy is the byproduct, not the root cause. She is also providing the valuable service of transferring the costs of ‘feminism’ onto cuckservatives and women.

  52. PokeSalad says:

    Few American women forget to order dessert.

    golf clap

  53. PokeSalad says:

    I think it was Communism.
    We are in accord.

  54. Anonymous Reader says:

    dvdivx
    I must have missed the part of the Bible calling for women to be childless harlots.

    Probably in the Book of Oprah.

  55. greenlanader says:

    As a sign of our age, not one of the 98 reviews currently on Amazon.com points out how ridiculous it is for a never married woman in her fifties to offer herself as a husband hunting role model.

    Did you consider the possibility that any reviews pointing that out would probably be censored by Amazon? Not being to say that the emperor is naked is increasingly flat-out against the rules.

  56. Isa says:

    @Carnivore Dinner and desert from scratch with leftovers packaged as lunch for the week. $40 for one meal out is easily a weeks worth of homecooked meals. Fair is fair. Half the women I know caught their husbands by doing this and continuing to do so during marriage. Ages 23-60 for reference, no specific religious or political persuasion.

  57. feeriker says:

    Dinner and desert from scratch with leftovers packaged as lunch for the week. $40 for one meal out is easily a weeks worth of homecooked meals. Fair is fair. Half the women I know caught their husbands by doing this and continuing to do so during marriage. Ages 23-60 for reference, no specific religious or political persuasion.

    I have a very hard time imagining Princess Wendy cooking a meal for any potential husband. She is probably as lost in a kitchen as any other American woman today. She probably doesn’t know a Dutch oven from Dutch Masters cigars.

    Matter o’ fact, given Princess Wendy’s Jupiter-sized attitude of entitlement, she probably expects a potential husband to prepare her a home-cooked meal.

  58. feeriker says:

    Further to my last, has anyone ever asked Princess Wendy what she has to offer a potential husband, other than attitude, contentiousness, and entitlement? Or does she consider those to be precious gifts of the spirit?

    I think any self-respecting man considers cancer to be a less painful burden to bear than Princess Wendy.

  59. S. Chan says:

    About the age of Wendy Griffith, according to this—
    http://www.coastalvirginiamag.com/October-2010/20-Sensational-Singles/
    —Wendy Griffith was 45 in October 2010. Thus, she is 52–53 now.

  60. Jason says:

    I eat out once a paycheck……I was at Walmart last check, and decided that I would grab McDonalds for dinner. Quarter Pounder, large fries and drink $9.87

    Hardly a value for fast food.

    I went to “Sizzler” in July after I returned from my hike…and Sizzler is hardly a fancy place to eat, and def not a “date” place if indeed I was gonna take a gal out…..my meal was 27.45. Not including tip. I’m a pretty basic guy. I dined out in San Francisco frequently as a younger guy (there is some unwritten law there that requires you to eat out twice a day), and some of that is just the culture in that pretentious city. Some of it was me just making more money.

    Usually when I go out, it’s a diner type of place. Seat at the counter. The waitress usually has tattoos and has that trashy “Betty Page” look. The line cook reminds me of ‘Mel’ from that TV show “Alice” and most people working there have names like Libby, Vern, and Dot.

    Hardly the place Ms. Wendy here would be impressed with 😉

  61. Isa says:

    @feeriker One must assume then that she is not that interested in a husband, acceptable of course to be an old maid and quite lucrative at the moment. Also, all of my female friends are quite interested in cooking, even the feminists. The most liberal are actually the ones homesteading and brewing beer. The conservatives take more shortcuts, but also make more desserts. Odd partition.

    @jason SF is ridiculous, although there are cheaper venues to be found. I also don’t drink, so my tab was zero on many a night out. The most important question: how is the food? $1 gas station parking lot taco trucks of dubious origin are a favorite of mine, hard to get lengua anywhere else. I am a very cheap date though, so my opinion is not applicable beyond a 1M radius.

  62. Jeff Strand says:

    It amazes me how dumb your average, non-redpilled, American man is. I just talked to a new guy at work. He’s 40, but clearly takes good care of himself physically and looks well above average for his age (no grey hair yet either). He owns a house, has a college degree, and has a good income. He’s divorced (marriage lasted 7 years) and never had kids, so his ex-wife is basically completely out of his life. So he’s not really bringing the “baggage” some divorced guys do (like child support payments and alimony); basically he’s as good as single/never married.

    So my point is that this guy has a lot going for him in the SMP/MMP. He could be playing the field and just killing it with hot, younger chicks…esp if he’s willing to spend some of his disposable income on them. But instead he said he just got engaged, and he’s going to remarry.

    Ok, a lot of guys remarry. He mentioned he wants “kids” (he used the plural), so getting married makes sense. So I asked him about his fiancé. Get this – she’s also divorced and never had kids, and – wait for it – she’s 39 years old!

    I swear, it was all I could do not to burst out laughing! What is he thinking? With all he has going for him, he should be with a chick 10 years younger than him anyway, just on general principles. But when you want kids? As in, a couple of them? They just just got engaged, so by the time they get married and really start “trying”, she’ll be forty! What are the odds they’ll be able to have a kid? (Singular, since we know it’s basically impossible at this point that they’ll have time for more than one). Why he didn’t he pick some “fertile Myrtle” in her early 30’s or even late 20’s…esp since he’s got the looks to easily pass for five years younger than his real age?

    So there’s still a lot of chumps out there. And it pisses me off, as he’s basically white knighting her. If she wanted kids, how did she end up waiting till age 39…to try to squeeze one out at the last possible moment? And what did she do to tank her first marriage? Why didn’t she have a family with her husband? This woman should be shunned and/or used only for pump and dump, which would teach a lesson to the younger generation of girls coming up (a lesson they desperately need to learn). What’s up with these White Knight betaboy manginas riding to the rescue?

    As for me, I’ve long said that once you go redpill there’s no going back. You see everything through those glasses. And so now when I see this new coworker of mine, even though he’s a nice enough guy, all I can think is “Chump!” or “Sucker!”.

  63. Embracing Reality says:

    Unless a man is bound by religious restriction, such as Christianity, there is no reason to marry. There is still some degree of social pressure and will always be manipulation from women who want to trap a man but a man should be able to see through that. Simple ignorance is the reason secular men marry. The world is full of ignorance. The pattern of men getting married is millenniums old. It’s going to take awhile for red-pill knowledge to catch up but it will. It’s inevitable unless there are dramatic changes in the law and female behavior.

  64. Just Saying says:

    she needs to slow down and be more demanding

    Oh yeah, that will work… NOT… And she’s how old? 53!!!! Good luck with that – I’m actually older than her, but I don’t bed a woman that old. Sorry – I can still have kids, she can’t… Simple as that and frankly, the woman has to turn be on – by the time a woman is in her mid-30’s that’s dropping like a stone in free-fall… Maybe if she was looking for a guy that needs someone to drive him to the hospital – that’s about all she’s going to find at that age…

  65. Jeff Strand says:

    “Unless a man is bound by religious restriction, such as Christianity, there is no reason to marry.”

    Yes, except for family formation. That’s the only other reason. Because a lot of secular (even atheist) people, who reject the idea of the “sanctity” of marriage, still think that kids deserve a mom and a dad in the home, who are married to each other. And there is still an element of shame in having a broken family.

    So I would say religious beliefs and family formation are the two big reasons for marriage.

  66. Opus says:

    Freeeeeeeeeeeeee at last

    No one has felt this good since 1776.

    Breeeeeeeexit Decree Absolute. Yes!!!!

  67. Otto Lamp says:

    Ran across this oldie: A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle. I remember women throwing that line out not only as a neg toward men, but also as a tease (she doesn’t NEED him the way he needs her). I realize now they had several assumptions underlying the statement.

    1) Men would always want to have a woman, because it is a need they are driven to satisfy.
    2) A woman could always acquire a man if she wanted, because…see #1.

    The effect of that attitude can be seen in the chart above. Women putting off marriage till later and later.

  68. Otto Lamp says:

    —Wendy Griffith was 45 in October 2010. Thus, she is 52–53 now.

    Discerning between “not good enough” and “good enough” is a fundamental life skill. One she obviously doesn’t have.

  69. earlthomas786 says:

    Further to my last, has anyone ever asked Princess Wendy what she has to offer a potential husband, other than attitude, contentiousness, and entitlement? Or does she consider those to be precious gifts of the spirit?

    She already told us…a pearl of great value and a daughter of the King. Plus she has a good makeup artist. Why do you need to poke holes in that by asking questions like what merits does she possess, what helpmate-mother-homemaking skills she has, or why should a man consider her marriage material?

  70. earlthomas786 says:

    Unless a man is bound by religious restriction, such as Christianity, there is no reason to marry.

    Even then you have to discern if this potential ‘church’ is what she seems or not.

  71. earlthomas786 says:

    Why he didn’t he pick some “fertile Myrtle” in her early 30’s or even late 20’s…esp since he’s got the looks to easily pass for five years younger than his real age?

    Even those women seem to think they can delay marriage a little longer now.

  72. Otto Lamp says:

    When she hits 60 and has never married it will become obvious to even the most oblivious churchian that this is a how-NOT-to manual.

    “You are the Prize”. To anyone that has been married a long time (30 years in my case) the title is a joke. Marriage is has so many ups and downs, that you come to realize both you and spouse aren’t prizes, but rather flawed human beings.

  73. earlthomas786 says:

    When she hits 60 and has never married it will become obvious to even the most oblivious churchian that this is a how-NOT-to manual.

    It was obvious when she hit 45…she’s just stealing from gullible people now.

  74. rocko says:

    In this case, it’s not the men objectifying the women as much as the women treating themselves as objects.

  75. Gunner Q says:

    “It was obvious when she hit 45…she’s just stealing from gullible people now.”

    LOL

  76. Otto Lamp says:

    I did say churchians, which is a synonym for gullible people.

  77. Jason says:

    @Isa

    I don’t drink either. When I do find myself with “friends” at a bar, it’s usually a “Rockstar” in the fall / winter, or a “tonic and lime” in the spring / summer

    Eh……I knew good places in San Francisco “on the cheap” to eat. Cities like SF have cool places like that. I do miss that Burmese place I used to go to…….Straight up in Fresno….I’ve had the best Mexican cooking hands down. If you live in California, Mexican cooking is the “states cuisine” however, San Francisco, LA, or anywhere else I have been isn’t as good as Fresno. We have a good ‘soul food’ place here in Fresno (Stevie Wonder is ALWAYS playin’ on the juke box) and I dig it, but if I took a gal like Wendy here for a date. She would leave when the greens arrived on the table.

    I like fish n’ chips. A lot. Full of vinegar……and if the place also serves eels, I know its gotta be good.

    We have a ‘Ruth Chris’s’ steakhouse in Fresno. I guess that is the place you take a gal if you are serious with her. I’ve never eaten there. We have some pretentious ‘foodie’ restaurant here called “The Manhattan” and evidently, its every Fresno gals’ wet dream to be taken there. There are no prices on the menu, so I know for a fact that my $10,500.00 salary won’t cut it.

    Sure, the food truck thing is a trend right now….a big-ass-trend that has probably peaked. I saw a pizza truck here, it was “gourmet” evidently and only was $7.50 a slice. Blow that. We have a “Blondies” here downtown that has been here since the 1950’s. A big slice of za and drink for $2.75

  78. Micha Elyi says:

    God wants you to know that you are worth the price of dinner and dessert—and so much more! You are worth someone being “extravagant,” even lavish, over.
    –Wendy Griffith

    The man is also “worth the price of dinner and dessert–and so much more!” yet females expect the man to be a ‘cheap date’ for her.

    Already the wealthy high-earning man expects her to sign a pre-nup. The next step in this societal evolution is for him to expect her to bring a big dowry along with that signed pre-nup.

  79. Jason says:

    @Opus!

    Congrats my man! My mother would be happy too if she were still alive! There are gonna be some bumps, but the stock and temperment of the British will endure and actually will be better off in the end!

  80. Jason says:

    This is where I want to eat when I go to the UK. I’ll take this “Patti Boyd” look alike as well, I’m probably old enough to be her dad.

  81. purge187 says:

    “My mind is boggled that someone with these “credentials” would feel comfortable giving out any dating advice.”

    Both you and honeycomb have hit upon the issue of ulterior motives. Misery Loves Company. First Joshua Harris, now her.

  82. earlthomas786 says:

    Saw this photo….Biblical Jesus vs. Modern Jesus. Which Jesus do you think Wendy Griffith is pointing to?

    https://scontent-dft4-3.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/24301217_10213885881168506_7970148031347076925_n.jpg?oh=c58e02c52cebd69b22fefff09eee25ba&oe=5AD4858F

  83. Anonymous Reader says:

    Wendy Griffith has been her own Beta for years. Her current career path would be quite altered if she actually got married. It is in her interests to continue to search for a husband yet never quite find him.

  84. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Embracing Reality: The pattern of men getting married is millenniums old. It’s going to take awhile for red-pill knowledge to catch up but it will. It’s inevitable unless there are dramatic changes in the law and female behavior.

    Ever more men (like me) will become reluctant, albeit confirmed, MGTOW bachelors. I desperately wanted to marry before turning 30. But no woman who met my high, romantic standards (which included beauty, devotion, and a pleasant attitude) would marry me.

    By the time women (in their late 30s and 40s) starting chasing me, they were burdened with age, fat, bitterness, foul mouths (which they considered “sassy” and “smart”), and children from other men.

    Otto Lamp:

    1) Men would always want to have a woman, because it is a need they are driven to satisfy.

    2) A woman could always acquire a man if she wanted, because…see #1.

    Men want to marry. But men too have standards. This is why No 2. is false.

    I have a drive for an attractive, loyal woman with a pleasant attitude. But most woman cannot satisfy that drive. Being a MGTOW bachelor is preferable to being married to most modern American women.

  85. Frank K says:

    I went to “Sizzler” in July after I returned from my hike…and Sizzler is hardly a fancy place to eat, and def not a “date” place if indeed I was gonna take a gal out…..my meal was 27.45.

    I find that dining out is usually a losing proposition. It’s expensive, the food is usually poor to mediocre and more often than not has too many calories and salt.

    I prefer to buy tenderloins and grill them at home. It’s cheaper than going out for high end burgers (say Red Robin or 5 Guys) and tastes much better.

  86. Yet Another Commenter, Yet Another Comment ("Yac-Yac") says:

    @ Otto Lamp (December 9, 2017 at 10:50 am:

    A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle, indeed.

    The logical corollary is that a man needs a woman like a bicycle needs a fish. Which, of course, explains why thots wear I have the p*ssy, so I make the rules T-shirts. Feminist Imperative Logic at work, QE[effin’]D. Heh.

    But, seriously: the acronym for “a man needs a woman like a bicycle needs a fish“, is M.G.T.O.W. — just sayin’. Which is why it’s tempting to market T-shirts with the caption, Every other woman in this bar has one, too, so I don’t care what your rules are, b!tch.

    Sadly, I don’t hang out in bars, so I don’t have a lot of personal market research to back up this sales pitch. 😉

  87. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    It looks like child murderer Casey Anthony won’t remain unwed: https://www.yahoo.com/news/inside-casey-anthony-apos-life-192014030.html

    And while she generally keeps to herself, Anthony is also meeting new people. PEOPLE spoke with two sources close to her who say that she is encountering less hostility than she used to. …

    “She’s going out now and then. She’s got a circle of friends, and guys are paying attention to her again,” the second source says, “Guys are even asking her out now.”

  88. Opus says:

    Thanks Jason. It is believe me much appreciated.

  89. Jason says:

    Thanks Frank K

    I agree. “Five Guys” is okay. I like “In N’ Out Burger” I admit, I am not too good a cook but I have gotten better over the years (economics forced me to learn and become a better one).

  90. Jason says:

    And Opus, I personally believe…….that the unique and special history our nations do have together will indeed get stronger in the end. As it should

  91. Frank K says:

    I admit, I am not too good a cook but I have gotten better over the years (economics forced me to learn and become a better one).

    A quick and easy meal to prepare:
    Chicken breast or pork tenderloin. cut into 1 inch thick chucks
    Toss into a crock pot, cover with a jar of your favorite salsa (some are lower in salt than others)
    Cook on low for 5 hours
    Serve over white rice (which a rice cooker can prepare)
    Veggies optional 😉

  92. earl says:

    ‘But, seriously: the acronym for “a man needs a woman like a bicycle needs a fish“, is M.G.T.O.W. — just sayin’. Which is why it’s tempting to market T-shirts with the caption, Every other woman in this bar has one, too, so I don’t care what your rules are, b!tch.’

    Isn’t it funny when a man has that attitude he is bitter, a woman hater, and an all around loser who lives in his mom’s basement.

    But the reverse attitude means she’s empowered, strong, assertive, sassy, independent.

    What would happen if the fishes were called childless man hating losers who live in their two room apartment alone with their cats?

  93. Novaseeker says:

    “Five Guys” is okay. I like “In N’ Out Burger”

    In-n-Out is the best fast burger place, but we don’t have them in the East. In general, though, it’s much, much healthier to eat out very, very infrequently (a few times a year) and prep your own meals with whole food ingredients, emphasis on proteins and veggies with some fats, almost no carbs. It takes a little learning, but much better overall.

  94. Opus says:

    @Jason

    I concur.

  95. PuffyJacket says:

    As a sign of our age, not one of the 98 reviews currently on Amazon.com points out how ridiculous it is for a never married woman in her fifties to offer herself as a husband hunting role model.

    Ah, the beauty of how democracy allocates resources over time.

    The only book she should ever write should be titled “How to avoid becoming an old maid like me”, and sadly it would need to be heavily ghost-written by male relatives.

  96. PuffyJacket says:

    Welcome to Rollo’s SMV Chart, Wendy! Enjoy your stay!

    Would be funny to see someone post that chart in the reviews section just for the lulz.

  97. They Call Me Tom says:

    I consider myself religious, and I still see the only point of marriage is to become a parent. If a woman has no interest in conceiving, bearing and raising children, there’s little point in marrying her. The only exception, as I see it, is if a woman were a true help meet… that together you’d be able to contribute something greater to God’s glory than you would apart.

  98. earl says:

    Ok who was the Dalrockian who said this??? This review came in yesterday.

    ‘Wendy Griffith is 53 years old.

    Even to this 82 year old man, she isn’t a prize worth a dinner date at Burger King.

    And so she’s trying to make women who actually could find a husband waste their lives like she did. SAD!’

  99. freebird says:

    Robertson’s estimated net worth: $100 Million.
    “Entertainment” holding produce estimated $150 Million/yr

    Looking around, one source says Wendy Griffith net worth $7 Million

    You boys are gonna have a hard time finding a restaurant expensive enough.

    Seems old “fake healer” Pat doesn’t fair share revenue with the fairer sex?

    If there is a God,when Pat appears,he would say; “You used my name a lot,but I never knew you.”

    Ripping off sick and hurting low income people,I have such contempt for these charlatans.
    They are worse than gutter trash.
    Predatory jackals

  100. earl says:

    Looking around, one source says Wendy Griffith net worth $7 Million

    No wonder she thinks she’s a pearl of great value.

  101. Boxer says:

    Looking around, one source says Wendy Griffith net worth $7 Million

    All of which was stolen, first from better men and women (like those observant Christians who populate the comment section of this blog) and then from taxpayers, who give these feminist parasites a complete pass when revenue day comes around.

    The message we should be sending is absolute mockery and contempt for any man who would donate (or allow his wife to donate) money that he has earned, through his own labor, to feminist freeloaders like these. If the feminist priests need money, they can go get a regular job and shift for themselves.

    Secondly, religious organizations should be taxed like any other business. I get much better advice and discussion from Christians and Jews here on this blog than I would from male feminists like Joel Osteen and Pat Robertson. The male feminist Franklin Graham had the audacity to denounce Saeed Abedini, after raising huge amounts of money in that poor man’s name, simply on the false testimony of his deranged ex-wife. Why should his income be tax-free, when Earl and Dalrock and Billy S. are doing the jobs they pretend to be doing: explaining and celebrating the mysteries in the text? It makes no sense.

  102. $7 Million. That’s gotta be a big hamster.

  103. earl says:

    ‘Those who want to be rich, however, fall into temptation and become ensnared by many foolish and harmful desires that plunge them into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. By craving it, some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many sorrows. But you, O man of God, flee from these things and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, perseverance, and gentleness. Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made the good confession before many witnesses.’ -1 Timothy 6: 9-12

  104. Frank K says:

    One phone call to the police, claiming domestic violence, and you’re out on the streets, and she’s living in your home.

    Never forget this. And if you think that after she calls the cops, that they will believe your side of the story, just remember … they won’t. And it won’t matter if the house is in your name and she isn’t your wife, the cops will haul your keister away and you will be told to stay away. Good luck getting her out of your house, it will take time.

  105. seventiesjason says:

    Frank K

    I watched enough “Cops” on TV in the 1990’s to know whenever it was a domestic dispute. Even if the man called the “cops” on his wife….he was the one put in cuffs and taken “downtown” it didn’t matter if he was bruised up by being beaten with a flying pan. Cut, stabbed with a knife. All the woman had to do was “cry” and email about ‘self defense’ and dude was hauled away. Didn’t matter the color.

    The cops in every situation always held back a snicker when a guy was claiming he was beat up by his wife / gf. The women in these situations always were given “crisis counseling” and were believed.

    This was in the 1990’s. Must be worse today

  106. Huh. My wife and I are the same age as Griffith (54 and 3 months apart)

    My wife will celebrate her 30th anniversary to a great guy this fall.

    She will also attend her son’s college graduation

    And sometime in the next two years will be the mother of the bride.

    Musta done something wrong. Maybe she should write a book.

  107. feeriker says:

    If there is a God,when Pat appears,he would say; “You used my name a lot,but I never knew you.”

    That’s almost verbatim what ol’ Pat is going to hear. Those last four words are going to ring for all eternity in the ears of a whole lot of people addressed in life as “Reverend, Pastor, Elder, Father, Brother, Sister,” etc.

  108. Hank Flanders says:

    This discussion reminds me of this lady whose videos I’ve recently discovered on youtube:

    I’ve been amused by some of what I’ve seen on Plenty of Fish, lately. I saw a decent looking but not hot (probably was hot in youth) 31-year-old woman not allow anyone below age 30 or above age 35 to contact her. I saw a 43-year-old woman state she was looking for a six-foot tall, GQ handsome man. I saw a late-30s black woman list an inordinate amount of items that her man should have, including a 720 credit score. (Naturally, she wanted him to be tall, too). She also quoted scripture a good bit in her profile and stressed the importance of Christianity in her life all while one of pictures shows her wearing a T-shirt displaying, “Not a F*** Toy.” (The shirt was not censored).

    I saw that same Yahoo article earlier about Casey Anthony having guys interested in her, and I can fully believe that they are. There is such a dearth of respectable, feminine women in this country that some guys probably really are fine with dating a woman whom they suspect might be a murderer.

  109. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    I was walking home tonight, Saturday night, after shopping at the grocery.

    Behind me were two guys and a woman. Talking loudly, apparently drunk. The woman especially so. I heard a her say, “…I rented a mansion…”

    I crossed the street. After I crossed, I heard honking. I turned to see the woman trying to sit on the hood of a car. I’m guessing she took offense at the car’s driver. Maybe he’d honked at her, so she was attacking his car with her ass.

    She was attractive, 20s, long blond hair. Pretty enough to feel like a highly entitled princess. Drunk on a Saturday night with two guys. Picking fights with cars. Talking about renting mansions.

    A typical mid-20s American woman, riding the cock carousel on a Saturday night. Of course, I don’t know if those two guys were her Alpha studs or just a couple of Beta Orbiters.

  110. CSI says:

    @Hank Flanders, I notice all the comments in that video are along the lines of “you go girl!”. Perhaps she should spent less time editing her comments section and more time searching for a husband. But she seems to believe God is going to provide a husband, a perfect husband, a paragon of Christian masculinity, without her having to do any work whatsoever. She will be walking down the street, they will catch each other’s eyes, God will make it happen there and then.

  111. Hank Flanders says:

    Yeah, CSI, and the thing is that SHE probably will find that perfect husband if she does so in the next few years while she’s still young. As we know, there’s no shortage of men in the US looking to wife up all kinds of women (probably including Casey Anthony), so that youtube lady’s odds are pretty good. In addition, she’s not bad looking and seems nice enough, if possessing a little more attitude than I would personally want in a wife. She also broadcasts herself publicly, making her existence known to thousands of potential more suitors. However, the average girl or woman doesn’t have all of these factors going on, but they’re listening to her advice and likely thinking it applies equally to them, as in the situation with Wendy Griffith.

  112. earlthomas786 says:

    SHE probably will find that perfect husband if she does so in the next few years while she’s still young. As we know, there’s no shortage of men in the US looking to wife up all kinds of women (probably including Casey Anthony), so that youtube lady’s odds are pretty good. In addition, she’s not bad looking and seems nice enough, if possessing a little more attitude than I would personally want in a wife.

    Former Miss Washington 2014

    Bonus…apparently there was an ‘alpha’ in the background. The hypergamy will already be through the roof.

    This was too good not to share… I struggled with shame for a long time after I lost my virginity in a long term destructive relationship. I believed the lie that because I gave my body away, I also gave my purity away along with it. But God restored my mind, body, and healed my brokenness. If the blood of Jesus can deliver me from a past of shame, He can deliver you too. ・・・ "You can be a virgin and still be perverted. You can not be a virgin but still be pure. Regardless of what your past looks like, the question is are you living a lifestyle of purity now? When you repent and give your life to Jesus, He restores you to be completely whole and pure. He looks at your heart and the way you’re living your life now. " @moralrevolution #purityisntvirginity #theresmore #purityofheart #purityofmind #purityofbody #moralrevolution

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  113. feeriker says:

    I’ve been amused by some of what I’ve seen on Plenty of Fish,

    NONE of those women are seriously looking for husbands. The’re attention-whoring for beta orbiters.

    But she seems to believe God is going to provide a husband, a perfect husband, a paragon of Christian masculinity, without her having to do any work whatsoever. She will be walking down the street, they will catch each other’s eyes, God will make it happen there and then.

    All EAPs belive that. What ultimately happens in nearly every case is that God refuses to be her cosmic vending machine, she settles for a beta schlub out of desperation, and then lives miserably ever after, letting God and everyone else (mostly her beta schlub victim) know how resentful she is for having had to settle.

  114. Boxer says:

    Dear Hank Flanders:

    This discussion reminds me of this lady whose videos I’ve recently discovered on youtube:

    Gee, to think I have spent all this time discussing the text of the Bible with all you serious people on Dalrock blog… I should have just asked this skank-ho wimminz in pancake makeup, who speaks with authority on what God wants me (and everyone else) to do.

    So much easier just to get on youtube and watch some woman, made up looking like a prostitute, as she drives around sermonizing.

    Boxer

  115. PokeSalad says:

    I watched enough “Cops” on TV in the 1990’s to know whenever it was a domestic dispute. Even if the man called the “cops” on his wife….he was the one put in cuffs and taken “downtown”

    I’ll go you better..I witnessed this personally on many ride-alongs I did with a local police department in the 2000s….the office I rode with said it was ironclad departmental policy….if they get called to a DV (and there were a lot), unless there is overwhelming physical evidence (ie, she better have a bloody knife in her hand and he’s dying on the floor), the man is going to jail…regardless of what anyone in the house says. No exceptions. I watched them take many a guy to jail that they were almost certain wasn’t guilty of anything, but they were ‘following the rules.’

    And yes, imagine how much worse it is now, 15 years later…

  116. Jeff Strand says:

    PokeSalad,

    I don’t doubt that for a minute.

    Plus, many jurisdictions passed “shall arrest” laws. So when the cops get called on a domestic dispute, they can’t just tell the man and woman to cool it, maybe advise one of them to sleep at a friend’s for the night until tempers have cooled, etc. Nope, they HAVE to arrest someone. One guess who that’s going to be!

    Very instructive to see what happened next. The men started realizing what was up, and that denying the DV could not help them, since the cops were required to make an arrest regardless. Instead, guys started accusing the wife or gf of being the violent one. Since the cops weren’t there when it happened and don’t know who’s lying, sometimes they would just arrest both and let the courts sort it out.

    Yes, the man still gets arrested and goes to jail. But now he has some leverage. He can play the victim too, and insist his wife or gf be prosecuted as well, just as he is. As a result, in a number of cases the State’s Attorney would just drop all charges against both (esp if there were no serious injuries involved).

    Well, once the feminists caught wind of this, they freaked! After all, the whole point of DV law is to put THE MAN of the house in jail at any time, on the woman’s say-so. They couldn’t have this. So the “Duluth Model” people began teaching cops (when doing their DV awareness workshops for police forces that your tax dollars pay for, thanks to Joe Biden and his VAWA law) that, “Hey, just because the man claims she also hit him is no reason to believe him. We know women are the victims of DV because patriarchy, so if they each accuse the other and there’s no real evidence either way, you should just believe the woman, assume the man is lying, and haul his ass to jail.”

    I poop you negative. As lunatic as that sounds, you can research this for yourself and see what I’m talking about. Things have gotten THAT bad – openly training the cops that the woman is always truthful and the man is always lying!

    Feminism is straight from the pit of Hell. (But of course, don’t expect to hear that from your local pulpit on Sunday!)

  117. Jason says:

    I live in an apartment complex that complies with state and federal “housing” laws. We just got the “new” VAWA Forms. It’s fifteen pages. Women who live in this complex are not required to “sign” the form, only the men are………YET…….we are told VAWA applies to protect men from violence too (a lie). The newest addition are “stalking” rules. Stalking is now considered “violence” to women. Evidently, its a growing “crisis” and women are being stalked by men everyday, and this new addition to the VAWA is going to stop harassment, and women “living in fear” in this country.

    I assume just like those bracelets Swedish women are wearing to “let migrants (new Swedes) know that they don’t want to be talked to or touched…….seems to be working well (not)

  118. Jason says:

    Oh yes…..the men who are employed by my apartment complex (Salvation Army) are REQUIRED to sign the form. The female employees are not.

    Before you all tell me “I wouldn’t sign the form” you will be released from employment. I’m on direct front lines when it comes to these policies…it will be arriving at your high tech company, your engineering firm, your retail job soon…..and you will be required to sign it, and you will

  119. earlthomas786 says:

    What ultimately happens in nearly every case is that God refuses to be her cosmic vending machine, she settles for a beta schlub out of desperation, and then lives miserably ever after, letting God and everyone else (mostly her beta schlub victim) know how resentful she is for having had to settle.

    ‘God is opposed to the proud but gives grace to the humble.’

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James%204

    I’m ok with her having the idea that she doesn’t want to lower her standards, I think all women should have that though….but again it’s not practicing what you preach or being vague about standards. What are her standards for a man…a godly one who tries to live out the faith, a rich successful one, one that hits her emotional buttons, a nice guy who does her bidding? It looks like she’s already lowered her standards at least once in her life. It’s probably best to not broadcast that thought that you aren’t going to lower your standards to the whole world when you’ve also broadcast that you stayed in a destructive long term relationship and gave him your virginity. Why did she stay in it so long? Much like we all need to…she needs to practice humility, seek repentence from God for the previous relationship, and thank Him when he does bring a man into her life who proposeses commitment.

  120. Cloudbuster says:

    @JayFink:

    It’s a tough question. Tougher than many of the “don’t do it” types realize. I’m 53 and I have been single for more than 10 years, and am planning on staying that way. BUT — I have five children all of whom I have good relationships with. I’m not alone. That’s something I have for myself in my old age.

    I’m a very solitary person, as well. I don’t get lonely easily. But I’ve seen loneliness eat at people. I’ve seen childless and unmarried people grow old alone. Having someone in those years can make a huge difference. My parents split up after 26 years of marriage, but they both eventually found other spouses and those spouses were (and in the case of my mom, are) a blessing to them in their older years.

    That woman probably isn’t the same woman she was 20 years ago. It’s entirely possible that she’s seen her own mortality and that her carousel-riding years are over. This article advises women of the folly of not “settling” — we men also must sometimes “settle.” Only you can make that call. If you do, sign a pre-nup, so in case something goes wrong, she doesn’t take you for everything you have set aside for retirement.

    Children are an even better comfort in older years than a spouse. I’ve seen one particularly heartbreaking case of a childless older couple — they simply became to debilitated to assist each other and ended up split up in different parts of a nursing home, as the wife had Alzheimer’s and needed special care. They died apart from each other, the wife many years after the husband.

    If my wife — their housekeeper of many years — had not taken it upon herself to care for them, they would have had no one to help them through that. None of their fancy friends (they were a wealthy couple) stepped forward. Their siblings were themselves too old to take up the burden and their neices and nephews didn’t care to (oh, but they were sure interested in the inheritance!). My wife became the legal guardian of the woman, after the husband died, and spent many years looking after her. You can’t count on typical “hired help” doing that. My wife was an unusual case. We were actually a very wealthy family by that stage — not the typical background for a housekeeper. It’s funny, I don’t think that the couple ever realized that their housekeeper was in the same wealth class as them — the help is the help. My wife kept cleaning for them long after we stopped needing the money purely out of concern for them.

    You may be beyond the age when you can reasonably start a family and have a child capable of caring for you. And I don’t necesssarily mean living with the child. At some point, health issues and life decisions become complicated and confusing for the elderly, and just someone with power of attorney who can do the legwork of helping you find doctors and care facilities, and make sure they are not abusing you, is extremely helpful. It’s best if the child is himself fully adult and settled to be able to take on that responsibility. But, a spouse is much better than nothing at all.

  121. Jeff Strand says:

    RE the VAWW Act…

    Go here to see one man’s experience of false DV accusations. And I’m sure many have stories that are much worse!

  122. Jeff Strand says:

    Here’s another heartbreaking story from another Reddit thread. And people wonder why men are going MGTOW!

    Forgive me if this incoherent, I am weeping as I write this. I am a 24 year old man. I fell into dating an older single mother earlier this year. She cheated on me and when I tried to break up with her she called the cops and said I abused her. The cops arrested me without even asking me if it was true. I was bailed out and given a 60 day protective order to stay away from her.

    I ignored her countless text, emails, voicemails, handwritten letters left on my trucks windshield for 2 weeks. She told me if I met her she would tell the cops the truth that she made it up. I came over and she gave me to falsely dated letters of confession. We were driving down the road later that night almost to her house in a suburban neighborhood when she, out of nowhere, threw my dog out of my vehicle, jumped out and ran to a random house screaming as if I was trying to rape her. This was right in the middle of a civil discussion, completely by surprise.

    The cops arrested me again for violating the protective order. Jail again. My state appointed attorney told me to accept the plea deal. 8 years probation, 250 hours of community service etc, and that I’d have 30 days to change my mind and think about it. He lied. I had 30 days to appeal and the judge has to decide if I can get my day in court. Hired good attorney for 7500 dollars to appeal. Judge takes it under consideration for 2 weeks and I get a call not 2 hours ago saying the motion is denied. I have a mountain of evidence showing I’m innocent.

    I am an army veteran with no prior criminal record from a good relatively wealthy family. I had a good future in front of me. I don’t know where I am going with this. I just had to get this off of my heart. I have a felony on my record now and my future is ruined without ever even having a day in court. I don’t know what to do.

  123. earlthomas786 says:

    Granted both of those women were crazy to begin with (perhaps full of the Jezebel spirit, BPD, or some other mental illness)…but that’s absoultely frightening what happens when you try to break up with them.

    Things like this is why I would never advise a man to ‘pump and dump’ women. That’s what can happen with a dump.

  124. Dating’s nice. Being married is better. You don’t get in your separate cars to part ways after your date; you go home together. You wake up together. You build together, face trials together, live together. Women who spend decades dating are cheating men, but also themselves, and those women who are resentful that men get a few “extra” single years are fools. Now, such an attitude is more rational for men, given the costs of pursuing marriage and its attendant risks (“I love you, but why in the world should I marry you,” to quote our host), but for women it’s terribly shortsighted.

  125. Son of Liberty says:

    David says:
    December 8, 2017 at 3:52 pm

    Sad!

    Seconded. How pathetic can cuckservatives be that there is not one review pointing out this very obvious thing?

    On Amazon? There is, if you filter/sort comments by “All Critical”, you’ll have a few men there calling the her and her book out. But not enough of them on that case. Cringy cuckery reviews by other males though.

  126. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    If the blood of Jesus can deliver me from a past of shame …

    The “blood of Jesus” is not a magic panacea. It will wash away your sins. It will not restore your virginity, or grant you earthly riches, or find you an Alpha mate, or heal your cancer, or find you a great career in broadcasting, or make your book into a bestseller, or whatever else.

    The “blood of Jesus” doesn’t even make you worthy to receive all your earthly desires, much less give them to you (no matter how much “faith” you have that your every wish will be fulfilled).

  127. earlthomas786 says:

    Dating’s nice. Being married is better. You don’t get in your separate cars to part ways after your date; you go home together. You wake up together. You build together, face trials together, live together. Women who spend decades dating are cheating men, but also themselves, and those women who are resentful that men get a few “extra” single years are fools. Now, such an attitude is more rational for men, given the costs of pursuing marriage and its attendant risks (“I love you, but why in the world should I marry you,” to quote our host), but for women it’s terribly shortsighted.

    Why can’t more single women think like that? I’m guessing they probably don’t know that until they get married. You should give counsel to them if you get the opportunity.

  128. earlthomas786 says:

    The “blood of Jesus” is not a magic panacea. It will wash away your sins.

    Yup.

    If she truly confessed and repented from her previous fornication, that sin will be forgiven by Jesus. Her virginity doesn’t come back though. You can’t take back experiences…you only get one first time.

  129. Gunner Q says:

    Jason @ 10:42 am:
    “Before you all tell me “I wouldn’t sign the form” you will be released from employment. I’m on direct front lines when it comes to these policies…it will be arriving at your high tech company, your engineering firm, your retail job soon…..and you will be required to sign it, and you will.”

    I’ve signed similar forms, too. I just check to make sure there are no “thou shalt”s buried in it… already gone hard MGTOW so if I live right, most women won’t notice I exist.

    You will sign it because the document isn’t really important when they already control your paycheck. But again, check for any “thou shalt” requirements in anything you sign, ever. I once worked with a mother-son team. Mother was head of the company so she got preference for bidding, son did most of the work, they’re family so it’s all good. She signed an agreement to cooperate with the labor union on a project, respect their turf, etc.

    Turns out the union snuck in a provision that she accept and train a union apprentice.

    Because the mother didn’t budget for that apprentice, she had to lay off her own son to find other work… and of course, the union apprentice was Dindu jailbait who tarnished the little company’s reputation.

  130. Hank Flanders says:

    earlthomas786, my problem isn’t so much with what Alyson or any woman’s standards are or even her thinking that her standards are from God. I even think my desire to marry a beautiful young woman is from God because it’s completely natural for me to want that. The standards themselves aren’t even the problem as far as I can tell. The problem is in thinking that we’re entitled to any of it just because we want it and have natural desires for it.

  131. Son of Liberty says:

    Jeff Strand says:
    December 9, 2017 at 10:08 am

    It amazes me how dumb your average, non-redpilled, American man is. I just talked to a new guy at work. He’s 40, but clearly takes good care of himself physically and looks well above average for his age (no grey hair yet either). He owns a house, has a college degree, and has a good income. He’s divorced (marriage lasted 7 years) and never had kids, so his ex-wife is basically completely out of his life. So he’s not really bringing the “baggage” some divorced guys do (like child support payments and alimony); basically he’s as good as single/never married…

    So you want him to fornicate or commit adultery? After all, once married, always married and anything afterwards is automatic adultery, and adultery by default includes fornication in the package.

  132. Frank K says:

    Oh yes…..the men who are employed by my apartment complex (Salvation Army) are REQUIRED to sign the form. The female employees are not.

    Before you all tell me “I wouldn’t sign the form” you will be released from employment.

    In Corporate America you typically have to take a sexual harassment class every year (in some places you take it online). From what I have seen is that both men and women have to take the class. As others have pointed out, they already fire you simply because a women accuses you of harassment, so I don’t see what else you have to lose by signing the form. The only thing you can do, as others here have already pointed out, is to ghost and be basically invisible to female colleagues, which is easier to do in some STEM fields.

  133. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Cloudbuster: But, a spouse is much better than nothing at all.

    A wife is great if she’ll stick by you when you become debilitated by age or illness, for years or even decades on end.

    But what of a wife who anticipates a perfect life with you? Full of travel and adventure, paid by you? Will she abandon you (with your wealth) when you get sick, and are no longer fun to be around?

    I’ve read true tales on this blog about women who appeared to love, and lust for, their husbands. Then the husband got seriously ill, for years on end. Her respect and desire for him dried up. She became bitter, disappointed, angry, and divorced him.

    It’s easy for a woman to appear to love a man when he’s wealthy and in prime health. But what will her attitude be should he require longterm health care?

    Once a couple has bonded, it’s more likely the wife will stay during hard times. But even bonded couples sometimes divorce due to life’s hardships. How much sooner will the alpha widow, with much time on the cock carousel, leaver her beta provider when he gets sick.

    Jay Fink’s woman might be a fun companion. So spend time with her. But I doubt, from what he’s written, that she’ll stay with him if he stops being fun. (Though she doubtless expects him to stay during her illnesses.)

    A pre-nup isn’t enough. Better to never marry her. Never live together. Never mingle finances. Never promise to take care of her for life. (Even that can have legal consequences.) Don’t have kids with her.

    You can still spend years, even decades, with her. Travel together. Even help her out with money if he wants. (Make clear that it’s a gift, not something he owes her.) But live in separate homes.

  134. Frank K says:

    So you want him to fornicate or commit adultery? After all, once married, always married and anything afterwards is automatic adultery, and adultery by default includes fornication in the package.

    The same thought crossed my mind. But here’s the thing: if you mention this in polite company you will be painted as a superstitious, bronze age neanderthal. And I’m not just talking about atheists or non Christians. I had a discussion over Thanksgiving with an older woman who considers herself fully Christian and who firmly believes that you can divorce and remarry for any reason. Mention the warning of adultery and you will hear “we don’t take scripture 100% literally.”

  135. Frank K says:

    But what of a wife who anticipates a perfect life with you? Full of travel and adventure, paid by you? Will she abandon you (with your wealth) when you get sick, and are no longer fun to be around?

    Far too many putative Christian women firmly believe this ground for divorce.

  136. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Frank K: Far too many putative Christian women firmly believe this ground for divorce.

    I wonder what their rationale is?

    Perhaps the wife rationalizes that her husband got sick due to his “lack of faith.” His health didn’t improve due to a “continuing lack of faith.” Thus, as a Godly wife, she was right to leave him. The Holy Spirit told her that God wants her to be with a Godly man in Godly Good Health.

  137. earl says:

    ‘Mention the warning of adultery and you will hear “we don’t take scripture 100% literally.”

    Well yeah if you think you can divorce and remarry for any reason…you wouldn’t take scripture literally. Because it’s not in there.

  138. feeriker says:

    I poop you negative. As lunatic as that sounds, you can research this for yourself and see what I’m talking about. Things have gotten THAT bad – openly training the cops that the woman is always truthful and the man is always lying!

    I will assert here that this is going to lead more and more men to decide “in for a dime, in for a dollar” and they’ll just go ahead and kill their abusive wife or GF. After all, if they’ve already been judged guilty in advance, their lives have already been ruined, there is no way anyone will ever see them as the victim, and if there is no justice to be had for them, why not go all the way?

    In short, VAWA and the Duluth Model are going to get more women killed, the more desperate and devoid of hope men become. And no, you will NEVER convince me that such consequences are unintended. The One Percent who rule over us might be amoral, satanic, bloodthirsty psychopaths, but they are not stupid. They know full damned well what they’re doing. The more of us who die at each other’s hands, the happier they are and the sooner their nihilistic agenda is fulfilled.

  139. Boxer says:

    Mention the warning of adultery and you will hear “we don’t take scripture 100% literally.”

    First of all, the dopey wimminz who said this was misusing the word ‘literally’. What she really meant was that she and her peers “don’t take scripture [at face value].”

    One can appreciate a wide variety of interpretations of the text, but if you’re not going to take the text at face value in the first place, then you’re basically asserting its worthlessness. In this regard, you should have asked her why she doesn’t throw her copy of the New Testament away, and write a new book?

    If you’re going to start a new religion, it’s fine by me (perfectly legal – first amendment protects you) but do have the dignity to quit playacting as though you’re still a Christian. You’re not. You’re the type of idiot that actual Christians enjoy scoffing at.

    Boxer

  140. Jeff Strand says:

    Feeriker: “I will assert here that this is going to lead more and more men to decide “in for a dime, in for a dollar” and they’ll just go ahead and kill their abusive wife or GF.”

    Maybe, in a few extreme cases. Much more likely, IMHO, is that more and more men will get the message to avoid marriage and cohabitation – it’s just too risky. Then we will be subjected to ever more complaints about how poor Susie is such a great catch, why won’t some good man marry her? What’s wrong with the men today? Can’t they see how “badass” she is? Can’t they see that she’s a very sexually experienced, strong, independent, feminist woman who will “challenge them”? Don’t the men realize that this is exactly what they should be seeking in a wife?

    Must be that “Peter Pan syndrome” – the men just don’t want to grow up. Or something. In any case, it’s certainly the men’s fault. And meanwhile, more and more women will end up old maids, alone with their cats, as they slide deep into despair and delusion (I’ve seen this happen personally, it’s not pretty)

  141. Jason says:

    More and more men…..and especially those who are Christian………won’t care! Wait…..WAIT!!!!

    Jeff was a few weeks back telling us that marriage rates are not going down……

  142. earl says:

    If women want all the power and control over men…they can have all the loneliness too. Because that’s what they’ll get.

  143. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Jeff Strand: more and more women will end up old maids, alone with their cats,

    More and more men will end up alone too. I’ve even considered getting a cat.

    I don’t like growing old alone. But it’s better than being frivorced, or worse, by what’s out there. My life isn’t great. But it’s not awful either. I’ve not been bankrupted. I’ve no false felony convictions.

    God’s plan for a lifetime commitment between man and wife is best. But evil forces have destroyed the foundations for that. Laws undermine legal support for “lifetime commitment.” Popular culture sows discontent with marriage. Wives stay married only until they no longer “feel” like it.

    Lucky are the men who have found a pleasant, faithful wife. But such are rare these days. For most men, they’re better off with a cat (or a dog) than with a modern American woman.

  144. earl says:

    Lucky are the men who have found a pleasant, faithful wife. But such are rare these days. For most men, they’re better off with a cat (or a dog) than with a modern American woman.

    I’ve thought the same too. I’d rather have a good wife over being single…but I’ll take being single over being married to a Jezebel.

  145. Jeff Strand says:

    Jason: “Jeff was a few weeks back telling us that marriage rates are not going down……”

    What I said was that the majority of men will marry, and I don’t see that changing. You see, both things can be true. While FEWER men will marry, it will still be a minority.

    However, it will affect the marriage market. Because prices are set at the margin. Take 10% of eligible men (who would otherwise marry) off the marriage market, and it may trigger a panic on the female side of the market. We will see.

    My effort of a few weeks ago, was to emphasize to young men who INTEND to marry and have kids, that they can at least greatly improve their odds. By seeking out a NAWALT to marry if possible, or at the least eliminating from consideration any woman who is openly feminist. You see, this actually HELPS these young men.

  146. feeriker says:

    Before you all tell me “I wouldn’t sign the form” you will be released from employment. I’m on direct front lines when it comes to these policies…it will be arriving at your high tech company, your engineering firm, your retail job soon…..and you will be required to sign it, and you will/i>

    Time to lawyer up – AND refuse to sign the forms.

  147. Frank K says:

    One can appreciate a wide variety of interpretations of the text, but if you’re not going to take the text at face value in the first place, then you’re basically asserting its worthlessness. In this regard, you should have asked her why she doesn’t throw her copy of the New Testament away, and write a new book?

    That’s basically what I told her. She’s Lutheran and just minutes before she was crowing about the recent 500th anniversary of Martin Luther’s nailing his thesis on the cathedral door. So when she said that they don’t take scripture literally, I called her out on it. I reminded her that Martin Luther rejected the authority of the church and had raised the flag of sola scriptura, and that if she rejected scripture then she had nothing left. She had no response.

  148. feeriker says:

    For most men, they’re better off with a cat (or a dog) than with a modern American woman.

    If Trump really wants to get North Korea to back down, he should threaten to send them several million American women.

  149. Frank K says:

    More and more men will end up alone too.

    And they will be better off. They have far more saved and will be able to retire when they are still young. So they won’t get laid (assuming they’re God fearing men). It won’t be the end of the world for them.

  150. Jason says:

    Gonads:

    One of the residents in my building is an 84 year old Armenian man. He lived in Syria until the Six Day War (1967) and came to Fresno (large Armenian community still here). So, he’s in the lobby speaking with another man…..and a busy-body-biddy of an old lady tried to get into the conversation he is having with the other man.

    He looks at her annoyed, sips his coffee and says “Excuse me. Men are talking here. You speak when I only ask you a question.”

    She didn’t know what to say. She was more shocked than anything else. The other man was shocked, and I’m sitting at the desk stifling a laugh.

  151. earl says:

    I reminded her that Martin Luther rejected the authority of the church and had raised the flag of sola scriptura, and that if she rejected scripture then she had nothing left. She had no response.

    LOL. That was quite a truth bomb dropped on her feelz.

  152. Frank K says:

    but I’ll take being single over being married to a Jezebel.

    Few fates are worse than that, There’s a reason so many men work late (even if they don’t get paid overtime) and hide in their garages when they are home, taking lawn mower engines apart and reassembling them: they can’t stand being around their wives. Sex? For many that is but a distant memory, and if the dead bedrooms reddit is to be believed, it happens once she get her desired number of kids.

  153. earl says:

    So they won’t get laid (assuming they’re God fearing men). It won’t be the end of the world for them.

    You lose that, the potential for a family, and companionship/helpmate. That’s what women were created for. If women are giving all that up then what’s the point of engaging with them?

  154. Jeff Strand says:

    Is there a way we can invest in the coming wave of sexbots? 😉

  155. earl says:

    My effort of a few weeks ago, was to emphasize to young men who INTEND to marry and have kids, that they can at least greatly improve their odds. By seeking out a NAWALT to marry if possible, or at the least eliminating from consideration any woman who is openly feminist. You see, this actually HELPS these young men.

    I don’t know how it’ll happen but it would make more sense to somehow have the daughters stop ingesting this toxic feminist ethos. Even the ladies who seem to not be your hardcore feminist can still think they can go on unmarried and childless for their 20s, or say they want marriage and then run when the opportunity is presented, or basically eschew homemaking/mother skills for a career, or have a sexual partner or three before marriage because feelz and whatnot.

    Just about every week I see some article out in the webs pointing out how MEN don’t want to get married. They digest about a million reasons why they think why men don’t want to get married without ever looking at the fact that the options men have to choose from aren’t good marriage material.

  156. Oscar says:

    @ seventiesjason says:
    December 9, 2017 at 8:21 pm

    “I watched enough ‘Cops’ on TV in the 1990’s to know whenever it was a domestic dispute. Even if the man called the ‘cops’ on his wife….he was the one put in cuffs and taken ‘downtown’ it didn’t matter if he was bruised up by being beaten with a flying pan.”

    Better to share a jail cell with Bubba than a house with a contentious, violent woman?

  157. Jason says:

    lol @ Oscar

    Jeff Strand. Not buying into the sexbot thing. I’m not planning on becoming Japanese

  158. Oscar says:

    @ Jason

    I think you mean “Turning Japanese”.

  159. Jeff Strand says:

    Earl: “Just about every week I see some article out in the webs pointing out how MEN don’t want to get married. They digest about a million reasons why they think why men don’t want to get married without ever looking at the fact that the options men have to choose from aren’t good marriage material”

    You want to have a good laugh? Check out bolde.com. It’s aimed at single, liberal, feminist chicks under age 40. Every other article is all about “the reason you’re still single is because you’re so amazing!” or “being a badass single gal rules!” or “you should never settle”, and so on.

    I’m totally serious. It is absolutely hilarious, give it a look.

  160. Jeff Strand says:

    Btw, start with this article. It can serve as a case study on how years of riding the carousel slowly but surely destroys a woman mentally. And makes her totally unfit as wife material.

    https://www.bolde.com/emotionally-available-dated-guys-werent/

  161. Spike says:

    Unfortunately Dalrock, Wendy Griffith and those like her are a dime a dozen in the Body of Christ.
    Women go to Tertiary Education to ”use their gifts for God”. They go on mission work in foreign countries ”to serve the Lord”, in a church-sanctioned version that exactly mimics the career path of their secular counterparts. They end up using up their fertile years and end up alone and childless at the same time saying that, ”God…never sent them the right man”.
    Those that don’t go on mission work are arguably worse. They apply Griffiths to a T, constantly looking over the shoulders of the men who are interested in them for the better deal, not realizing that the clock is counting down.
    Something is desperately sick in church culture.

  162. earl says:

    Every other article is all about “the reason you’re still single is because you’re so amazing!” or “being a badass single gal rules!” or “you should never settle”, and so on.

    I’d copy and paste one of those articles and then headline it with ‘Where have all the good men gone?’

  163. Spike says:

    Jeff Strand says:
    December 10, 2017 at 5:11 pm
    Btw, start with this article. It can serve as a case study on how years of riding the carousel slowly but surely destroys a woman mentally. And makes her totally unfit as wife material.

    https://www.bolde.com/emotionally-available-dated-guys-werent/

    -A good find, Jeff.
    The problem with the article is that its’author, Ms Horton, thinks that she alone is special in this way. The truth is, there are millions of identical stories like hers in any relationship-age single woman in the Western World. Their stories are exactly the same, hurt and damaged by a series of ”boyfriends”.
    If you tell them that perhaps it isn’t right to throw yourself completely into non-committal (”boyfriend-girlfriend”) relationships because such relationships aren’t designed to last, that complete effort should be reserved for marriage – you will get ostracized, treated like a leper and perhaps have the police called in on you.
    As Dalrock has shown here time and again, men are not driving this. They (we) are simply the opportunists adapting to the new environment in various ways. But we want wives when we want children and the damaged, mentally-ill Western woman can’t be one.

  164. earl says:

    It can serve as a case study on how years of riding the carousel slowly but surely destroys a woman mentally.

    All I read is that woman doesn’t know what the hell she’s doing and has no clue about men.

  165. feeriker says:

    Something is desperately sick in church culture.

    Yes. It’s called “The World.” It’s the god churchians really worship, and it’s obvious.

  166. earl says:

    If you tell them that perhaps it isn’t right to throw yourself completely into non-committal (”boyfriend-girlfriend”) relationships because such relationships aren’t designed to last, that complete effort should be reserved for marriage – you will get ostracized, treated like a leper and perhaps have the police called in on you.

    They want the benefits of marriage without actually being married. They don’t even have a plan or idea on what they want in a relationship.

    And here’s the flipside…let’s say a man makes his intentions known what he wants out of the relationship (leading to marriage), a lot of them will run. I know, I’ve seen it plenty.

  167. feeriker says:

    but I’ll take being single over being married to a Jezebel.

    Imagine an American dictator in the Kim Jong Un, Saparmarat Niyazov, or Mobutu Sese Seko mold who mandated that all newborn American girls be given “Jezebel” as a first or middle name and that all adult American women between the ages of 13 and 70 be required to add ot to their existing names.

    That’s the kind of tyrannical crazy that, for just once, I might be able to actually get behind.

  168. Jeff Strand says:

    Spike: “But we want wives when we want children and the damaged, mentally-ill Western woman can’t be one.”

    Well said.

    Btw, Ms. Horton (like so many modern women who’ve been ruined by feminism) is in even worse shape than you might think. She’s all over YouTube and Twitter, check her out in this short, pathetic vid:

  169. seventiesjason says:

    She should go hang out of visit a children’s cancer ward. Yeah, the area of the hospital where even doctors who deal with this have a hard time “dealing’ with it. Talk about ” unfair” and they are the lucky kids with cancer. We’re fortunate enough to live in a country where there is at least treatment. Some hope.

    I don’t know what this woman is going through. Maybe it’s legitimate. Maybe not. Just maybe if she wasnt a feminist she would actually have a man to hold on to and cry on for some comfort.

    Whatever she’s going through I hope she will be okay. My advice to her would to be to kick social media to the curb and quit broadcasting her life in this manner. That’s a start

  170. Luke7 says:

    Embracing Reality says:
    December 9, 2017 at 10:26 am
    “Unless a man is bound by religious restriction, such as Christianity, there is no reason to marry. There is still some degree of social pressure and will always be manipulation from women who want to trap a man but a man should be able to see through that. Simple ignorance is the reason secular men marry. The world is full of ignorance. The pattern of men getting married is millenniums old. It’s going to take awhile for red-pill knowledge to catch up but it will. It’s inevitable unless there are dramatic changes in the law and female behavior.

    Not anymore in America, at least for a number of years to come.

    I wrote and posted this on Vox Day’s site:

    “Two ideas I rarely see explictly expressed on discussion threads on the subject of marriage:

    1) Genuine marriage is no longer available for most American men. Sure, some guys get lucky, are Amish/ultra-Orthodox Jewish, or are rich hunky alphas who are willing to wife up a “6” (who doesn’t watch TV, read magazines, or talk to other women, so she stays willing to be a wife). But, most of us are going to be in the situation of a dozen guys all seeking the hand of the one good woman. Several may improve their looks, wealth, or charisma enough to get a better short at her. But, no matter what all of us do, 11 of us are going to be SOL WRT finding a real wife (and trying to make a marriage with the other kind is way worse than lifelong bachelorhood). The remaining 11 guys are (or at least, the top 8 or so of them in SMV) are no more faultable IMO than someone who lived and died 100 years before Jesus’ birth would be for not having specifically accepted Jesus Christ as his personal savior. How the h**l would he have done so without use of a time machine? Same with the remaining 8 or 11 guys in my example above.

    So, when a requirement has become literally impossible through no fault of a man, then or prior, it logically and ethically releases him from that requirement. So it is with the general expectation that an American man marry now, and specifically that he do so before having sex. 95%+ of men do NOT have the “gift of celibacy” [lifelong, as opposed to say for 2-5 years from puberty to marriage], and when you take away the only alternative, you have given them a “get of of that commandment free” card. So, a Christian man in America now can opt to have sex without marriage, and not be sinning (as long as he, and AFA he knows, the woman, aren’t currently married in fact as well as in name 0to someone else).

    It’s not ideal, but that’s how it is, and IMO will be for years to come.

    2) Not that many men (~250,000 year?) can do potentially do this proposal, but for those who can, it cuts the Gordian Knot on the 4-chambers-loaded-Russian-Roulette that is family formation now, at least for those who really want it and can come up with the 50-100 grand it would cost. That is to choose the Toban Morrison solution. That guy paid for an egg donor, gestational surrogate, and fertility clinic to produce him a healthy infant that was HIS genetically. As long as he never marries, cohabitates, or allows adoption of the child by any woman, he has negligible risk of child theft by a faithless woman. Sure, he’d have to spring for a nanny while at work (probably cheaper than a wife), but regardless of cost comparisons, what price is there on not losing your children? I wish I’d done this.”

  171. earl says:

    She’s got the 1000 c stare.

  172. CSI says:

    I only have the vaguest idea what she means by “’emotionally available”. She probably doesn’t have a concrete idea herself. But I think its fundamentally unrealistic and flawed. Most men simply don’t want to spend hours pouring out their every hope and feeling. Probably most women wouldn’t enjoy having to do that every day either. Even if she could find someone who did fulfill this need of hers, it would only really be sustainable during the early stages of a relationship. Inevitably, the feelings driving this sharing would wane. She sounds neurotic and clingy to be honest. I wonder if she has BPD tendencies?

  173. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Ms. Horton is a narcissist with nothing of value to say. She babbles in her video, imagining that she’s saying something substantive or insightful. But it’s just empty blather.

    She confuses her subjective feelings with a message of universal, life-changing importance. Gather round everyone. Hear how I feel. I feel shitty. All stop and hear me announce that I feel shitty.

    I suppose that she, and women like her, fantasize about making a living, even becoming celebrities, by vomiting such verbal nonsense onto videos and websites.

  174. @earlthomas: Most of the young women I know are at my church, and given that they tend to marry men from our church in their early twenties I think they’ve got the message. Babies follow soon after. One young woman turned feminist and left, unfortunately.

  175. Boxer says:

    One young woman turned feminist and left, unfortunately.

    The sickness of the individual is the health of the whole. Wish her, and those like her, well and a hasty departure, and don’t let them back in.

  176. Jeff Strand says:

    Guys, sorry to subject you to this deranged broad’s resting bitch face one more time. But this is very instructive. She goes on and on in her articles about how, after all her failed relationships and flings (what we call riding the carousel), she’s learned what she wants and SHE WON’T SETTLE, DAMMIT! In other words, as she approaches the wall, she’s becoming even more picky! Great strategy, huh?

    But it gets better. The guy she’s waiting for has to be the whole deal, sweep her off her feet, make her dreams come true, financially well off, be a true Alpha leader and adventurer yet also be a sensitive feminist ally, blah blah blah. But surely she must realize that before any guy gets serious with her, he’s gonnna read her articles, Twitter feed, and WATCH HER VIDEOS! Like, hello, McFly!

    So what will this hypothetical Alpha stud who can have any woman but is searching for a wife and soulmate find when he watches her videos? Well, this one for example. Note the part from 0:30 to 1:00 (mildly NSFW). The mind reels.

    And yet she will cry and wonder why she can’t find Mr. Right, and all the guys are only interested in getting into her panties. And then they bail. Really? She can’t figure it out huh?

    Thoughts?

  177. earl says:

    One young woman turned feminist and left, unfortunately.

    You can be feminist or you can be Christian, but you can’t be both.

  178. Otto Lamp says:

    Off topic, but just finished watching the Deep Space Nine episode where the Dalrock attacked the village.

    The villagers were able to drive it away using the combined power of positive thinking.

  179. seventiesjason says:

    Lol…
    Have not heard the words “deep space 9” since 1996 or so.

    Like any sickness. Feminism isn’t out of reach to be washed clean by Christ. Now, there may be consequences from that lifestyle choice but it is something that you may indeed have to live with. With the that said…..my life in Christ has not be lollipops and roses. But. I do sleep better. People over time by my actions and new life / change trust me again. I am again productive and I “do” things I like for what they are. Not to impress women, or to get a date. I actually have more now than I did by escaping that prison called San Francisco. I do have enviable position too. No debt. No children and since Scouting sold out to the corporate donors…..I have time again to hike, camp, backpack ony term and not the considerations of 40 teenage boys out in the wilderness with me

  180. feeriker says:

    One young woman turned feminist and left, unfortunately.

    Hopefully she wasn’t married with children. If she was, then hopefully the church is giving comfort and support to her husband and kids (if by “left,” you mean that she left her husband and kids as well as the church).

    It would be enlightening to track the life journey of such an apostate woman to see how quickly her life falls apart after she leaves the church (and it definitely will fall apart).

  181. purge187 says:

    My comment on that unfortunate lady’s vlog:

    “I was directed here by a Christian Manosphere website, and I’m praying for you. A good first step would be to abandon the Feminism – it’s been the ruin of many a lady.”

  182. Nate says:

    @feeriker ” hopefully the church is giving comfort and support to her husband”
    Probably not. I saw the same situation with my brother. Everyone turned on him because ‘man up’ and ‘vagina’.

  183. Nate says:

    Jay Fink says “Is it right for me to think this way or am I making too big a deal about it?”
    You’re at your sexual marketplace peak, and she’s years past the wall. There are plenty of other YOUNGER women like her that would love to settle down with you. Don’t let this random happenstance of her coming back into life fool you into thinking this is a good idea.

  184. Luke7 says:

    feeriker says:
    December 10, 2017 at 4:32 pm
    “For most men, they’re better off with a cat (or a dog) than with a modern American woman.

    If Trump really wants to get North Korea to back down, he should threaten to send them several million American women.”

    Kim would just have his underlings cook them for dinner. What other use could the Norks find for some Ameriskanks?

  185. Anon says:

    You’re at your sexual marketplace peak, and she’s years past the wall. There are plenty of other YOUNGER women like her that would love to settle down with you. Don’t let this random happenstance of her coming back into life fool you into thinking this is a good idea.

    Seconded. There is no reason you cannot be with women 10-15 years younger.

    You can convert this current woman into an FB or Open LTR (see Blackdragon’s blog for details), but nothing more.

  186. Anon says:

    If you tell them that perhaps it isn’t right to throw yourself completely into non-committal (”boyfriend-girlfriend”) relationships because such relationships aren’t designed to last

    As I have said for years, there is a reason the words ‘boyfriend’ and ‘girlfriend’ are so common, but not ‘manfriend’ and ‘womanfriend’.

    It is because that sort of youthful non-committal relationship was not meant to be a norm past the age of 20 or so. People were supposed to be married after that age.

    There still isn’t a good word for people who are 45 but in a casual relationship. Despite vast media programming, people that age saying ‘my boyfriend’ or ‘my girlfriend’, does not seem right. ‘Ladyfriend’ does not sound right either, and there is not equivalent word for a man.

  187. Anon says:

    Jason,

    I live in an apartment complex that complies with state and federal “housing” laws. We just got the “new” VAWA Forms. It’s fifteen pages. Women who live in this complex are not required to “sign” the form, only the men are………YET…….we are told VAWA applies to protect men from violence too (a lie). The newest addition are “stalking” rules. Stalking is now considered “violence” to women. Evidently, its a growing “crisis” and women are being stalked by men everyday, and this new addition to the VAWA is going to stop harassment, and women “living in fear” in this country.

    Point #1) : Cuckservatives, not democrat feminists, did a lot of the heavy lifting to make this a reality.

    Point #2) : I must say that the recent torrent of retroactive accusations going back years or even decades has killed a fair chunk of my libido. Sure, I am over 40 now, but that can’t be the only reason. No sex feels good enough to negate the horrible feeling of going through the process you pasted.

    Meanwhile, VR sex is getting closer. Before people say it is suboptimal, consider the true cost of dating in modern times. I bet a lot of men who use will not be incels, but rather ‘risk-cels’.

  188. Boxer says:

    Jason sez:

    We just got the “new” VAWA Forms.

    Then Anon sez:

    Cuckservatives, not democrat feminists, did a lot of the heavy lifting to make this a reality.

    That’s exactly correct. Look up Mike Crapo, the CONservative republican congressman from Idaho, who spent weeks and weeks fighting for the renewal and expansion of VAWA. Even Barack Obama was originally against it, but Crapo won the day.

    Crapo is a member of my tribe, by the way. Like my other cousins, Harry Reid and Mitt Romney, he hates your families and celebrates their destruction.

    For over a year now, I’ve planned a series of “Mormon Traitors to Civilization” articles for my blog. When this happens, Crapo will be featured prominently. He’s in many ways a typical CONservative, just with a bit of extra dedication.

  189. feeriker says:

    As I have said for years, there is a reason the words ‘boyfriend’ and ‘girlfriend’ are so common, but not ‘manfriend’ and ‘womanfriend’.

    It is because that sort of youthful non-committal relationship was not meant to be a norm past the age of 20 or so. People were supposed to be married after that age.

    An EXCELLENT point. I would actually consider bringing this up in some of my conversations, except that odds are overwhelming that no one would care. I think we’re well past the point in our societal devolution where even the majority of adults in their dotage are perfectly happy to exist in a permanent state of adultolescence where they can exercise the least amount of personal responsibility necessary. Lifelong, committed relationships in the form of marriage are the ultimate example of responsibilty. That the majority of them fail is very telling for that reason.

  190. feeriker says:

    For over a year now, I’ve planned a series of “Mormon Traitors to Civilization” articles for my blog. When this happens, Crapo will be featured prominently. He’s in many ways a typical CONservative, just with a bit of extra dedication.

    Yes, I’ve come to the conclusion that those politicians who are heirs of Joseph Smith are even more dangerously idiotic than their evangelitard cohorts in crime (and they are REALLY dangerous and incredibly stupid). Why is this, I wonder? Is there something in LDS history that ties these people to the One Percenters?

  191. seventiesjason says:

    A lot of us are going to have to swallow just to get by. My line is drawn when the chip implant comes. I will have to be fired, arrested or exiled at that point. I cannot and won’t do it. People say well, were chipped now by a social security number, or cell phone, or ATM card. Technically true I suppose.

    I am debating if I should ditch my celli and go back to a land-line. I have no Internet in my apt. No FB or Twitter. I cut off gmail and switched to Proton email. Deleted my account on YouTube.

    Most know something is very wrong but few fell powerless to really do any thing about it.

  192. purge187 says:

    “People say well, were chipped now by a social security number, or cell phone, or ATM card. Technically true I suppose.”

    I’m a Bible literalist, so I believe the Mark of the Beast will have to be implanted/branded/tattooed on the right hand or forehead.

  193. Anon says:

    RPL,

    (which they considered “sassy” and “smart”)

    How on Earth did ‘sassy’ get packaged as a positive trait?

    Not only are sassy women annoying, but a woman who is sassy has a high chance of being gassy as well.

  194. Jeff Strand says:

    Purge: “I’m a Bible literalist, so I believe the Mark of the Beast will have to be implanted/branded/tattooed on the right hand or forehead.”

    You take everything even in the Book of Revelation literally? So even “the Lamb, standing as though slain” is to be understood as literally a lamb, and not as a metaphor for Jesus Christ (the “Lamb of God”)? And “the infernal dragon” is literally a dragon, like the kind from The Hobbit I guess, and not a symbol for Satan? And “the heavenly Jersusalem” refers to the actual city of Jerusalem, and is not a metaphor for the Kingdom of Heaven?

    This is what happens when people undertake to interpret the Bible for themselves.

  195. purge187 says:

    “Point #2) : I must say that the recent torrent of retroactive accusations going back years or even decades has killed a fair chunk of my libido.”

    I suspect that that’s the idea.

  196. Jason says:

    purge….I can live without women at this point. I’ve always been invisible to them…..unless they need something from me, and then I am “the best guy ever”

    The few women I do know and trust as actual friends know who they are. I’m actually a pretty busy guy now. If any of you men are gonna be up in the Carson Iceberg Wilderness Area in June…(Alpine County, California) come hike the Dardanelles with me 😉 It will be the best week of your life

  197. BillyS says:

    Purge,

    I used to favor the idea that the Mark of the Beast was a chip or such, but I have been coming to think it is literally what it says: a mark that indicates worship of the beast. It does not have to be unique to the individual to do that. The idea is that it is showing worship of the beast, not participation in commerce. The idea is that those who choose to follow and worship him will lose any chance to repent after that. This implies far more than the hype.

    ====

    Anyone who would claim the book of Revelation means nothing useful is quite idiotic. I guess we are living in paradise today, right. I take the Scripture seriously, not sweeping away large parts of it I happen to be challenged by.

  198. Paul says:

    God wants you to know that you are worth the price of dinner and dessert—and so much more! You are worth someone being “extravagant,” even lavish, over. After all, you are a daughter of the Most High King, a royal treasure, a beautiful masterpiece, a pearl of great price. You are a lady, and a true gentleman will recognize your value and act accordingly. Don’t settle and don’t forget to order dessert.

    As is typical in the feminism/emotionalism-driven Church, somehow all things get their true meaning only when interpreting from a pure female perspective.

    What is conveniently forgotten is to interpret texts from a male perspective.
    In this case: even if a female could be considered a pearl of great price, then also a male. Hence a male is worth the price of dinner and dessert — and so much more!

    This only goes to show the absurdity of these claims. How can someone fill a whole book with it?

  199. purge187 says:

    I should’ve clarified. In the case of the Mark of the Beast, I believe it to be a literal thing such as a microchip or implant that must be taken voluntarily. I also agree that accepting it ensures a one-way ticket to Hell.

    And Jason, there’s worse things in life. I used to consider my asexuality as a defect, but now I think it may be a case of God looking out for me. I’d love for a bunch of us to be able to meet up, but I live on the other side of the country.

  200. The Swedish Church is arranging a special mass named “Save us from the patriarchy”.

    How come I know this isn’t because of a growing realization that the new “Swedes” aren’t egalitarian?

  201. Embracing Reality says:

    I don’t suppose the church feminist in Sweden are referring to the standing army of muslims the idiots have invited into their country.. Those bastards will show Swedish women some ”patriarchy” they won’t ever be able to forget.

  202. I don’t suppose the church feminist in Sweden are referring to the standing army of muslims the idiots have invited into their country.. Those bastards will show Swedish women some ”patriarchy” they won’t ever be able to forget.

    And the game of “let’s you and him fight” get’s raised to civilizational destroying levels of consequences. Sven is going to have to learn how to be Viking again if he’s going to have a heritage.

  203. Boxer says:

    And the game of “let’s you and him fight” get’s raised to civilizational destroying levels of consequences. Sven is going to have to learn how to be Viking again if he’s going to have a heritage.

    All the vikings migrated, to places like Normandy, Iceland and North America. They left behind the soft and the weak, who are the present day Swedes.

  204. All the vikings migrated, to places like Normandy, Iceland and North America. They left behind the soft and the weak, who are the present day Swedes.

    If this is all the modern day dweller of central Scandinavia has got they won’t have earned a heritage. I’m taking notes.

  205. thedeti says:

    Earl:

    “Why can’t more single women think like that? I’m guessing they probably don’t know that until they get married.”

    More single women think sort of like that, only after spending several years getting pumped and dumped and deciding they don’t really like that lifestyle (they dont’ like it because they couldn’t lock down one of the hot alphas).

  206. Boxer says:

    If she truly confessed and repented from her previous fornication, that sin will be forgiven by Jesus. Her virginity doesn’t come back though. You can’t take back experiences…you only get one first time.

    Jesus isn’t going to miracle away your herpes or your genital warts, either. Why should he? Saul of Tarsus wrote a book, full of good advice, and you ignored it. Now you get to live with the real-world consequences of that.

  207. Embracing Reality says:

    There’s a reason why the human female was equipped, by God, with a hymen! There’s a reason why male virginity wasn’t important enough to put such an indicator on a man. Natural, practical reasons independent of sin. Natural consequences of bad choices don’t dissolve into smoke just because we repent of our sins.

    Maybe one of these decades the church will figure out that even though the spiritual consequences of sexual sin are likely the same for men and women the natural, social, emotional consequences of sexual sin are far worse for women. It was one obvious, before feminist convinced the simple minded that men and women are the same.

  208. There used to be an effective term for describing this type of person: old maid. The sting of that needs to be brought back.

  209. Or more fitting: old slut.

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  211. earlthomas786 says:

    Maybe one of these decades the church will figure out that even though the spiritual consequences of sexual sin are likely the same for men and women the natural, social, emotional consequences of sexual sin are far worse for women. It was one obvious, before feminist convinced the simple minded that men and women are the same.

    Bingo!

  212. earlthomas786 says:

    Saul of Tarsus wrote a book, full of good advice, and you ignored it.

    And the purpose of his books were more focused toward the pagan Gentiles to preach the Gospel, repent of their sins, and to not go back to their sinful lifestyle. They were certainly more ‘of the world’ in things like sexual immorality and various other sins because they probably didn’t know any better. There are numerous occasions he kept repeating ‘flee sexual immorality’, ‘the will of God is to abstain from sexual immorality’ , ‘fornicators, adulterors, effeminents, homosexuals won’t inherit the Kingdom of Heaven’, ‘don’t have a hint of sexual immorality’, ‘God’s wrath on the sexually immoral’. He wasn’t saying these things to be a wet blanket…it is good advice.

  213. “Griffith urges Christian women to slow down in their husband search in order to hold out for the perfect man God has in store for them”

    I’m curious to know whether married Christian men today believe this as well?
    Do they consider their wives as “the perfect woman God had in store for them” all along?

    This text book prescription for Oneitis based on Christian authority from God (“It’s all part of God’s plan!”) has no doubt ruined a great many lives for men and women it seems to me. Surely we can do without it?

    I think too many married men today would look over at their wife and consider this quote from Griffith as some kind of sick joke.

  214. A great many women in the west ages 25 through 50 can really do without ordering more dessert.

  215. Frank K says:

    The Swedish Church is arranging a special mass named “Save us from the patriarchy”

    I suspect that Swedish Lutherans (or as they call themselves: “Evangelicals”) have no clue about why our Lord died on the Cross

  216. Frank K says:

    It will be easy to identify the mark of the beast:

    1) You will be an “unperson” without it.
    2) You will have to deny the Lord to receive it.

  217. earl says:

    It’s not Lutheranism in Sweden anymore…it’s the Church of Feminism.

  218. GregMan says:

    “Coastal Virginia Magazine put Wendy Griffith on their 2010 list of “Sensational Singles” when she was 45 years old.”

    I wonder how many of the women portrayed in that article are still “single”, “sensational” or not.

  219. earlthomas786 says:

    “Coastal Virginia Magazine put Wendy Griffith on their 2010 list of “Sensational Singles” when she was 45 years old.”

    Check out her date idea and favorite type of movies. There’s another source of the poison in her mind.

    http://www.coastalvirginiamag.com/October-2010/20-Sensational-Singles/

  220. Kevin says:

    We may be God’s children and worth the sacrifice of His son, but His servants often ended up dying badly and suffering a lot in this life.

    This post is spot on about how ridiculous it is to expect courtship and the search for a spouse will exceed your entire mortal fertility. Our host is correct – why would men wait. Women seem to imagine a man parallel to them waiting around and looking people their age. But they are in competition with all the women younger than them, they are in competition with the fatigue of looking for a wife, in competition with habits of living alone and getting nothing out of the marriage they cannot get elsewhere.

  221. anonymous coward says:

    I suspect that Swedish Lutherans (or as they call themselves: “Evangelicals”) have no clue about why our Lord died on the Cross

    Sure they do — to valiantly protest the injustices of heteronormative capitalism!

    (Sarcasm off.)

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