Overwatch for the carousel?

Vox Day has a post up on a new shirt he designed for Crypto Fashion:

One of Vox’s readers thought I would have an issue with the message of the shirt:

This is the sort of thing Dalrock rips to shreds every chance he gets. I don’t always agree with every detail of his argument but it’s definitely worth thinking about.

I think Vox’s reader is probably thinking about my post Scaring away the competition.

Vox and I live in different parts of the world, so this probably accounts for our different perspectives.  Based on my reading of Vox’s statements on the topic, I take it that Vox sees this as simply a loving father committing to protect his daughter, with no feminist connotations.  In my neck of the woods (redneck heaven*) the shirt pictured above would be well loved as a signal to young men that all sexual encounters with said daughter will occur on the daughter’s terms.  It would be loved as an announcement of moxie, sexual liberation and empowerment, enforced by the girl’s father.

*As a card carrying AR 15 shooting redneck, I use the term with all affection.

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  1. The Question says:

    If I had a daughter and wanted to indulge in that sort of thing, I would get a custom-made shirt with this on it, except it would say “Caution: Dad at work.”

  2. I’m an Aussie, own no guns and have no desire to, but I would have gladly given my daughter a t-shirt like that. It’s quirky humour that expresses what fatherhood is aobut.

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  4. Opus says:

    Daddy is an incestuously inclined voyeur.

  5. The Question says:

    I do have to add that I’m not a big fan of the overly protective father shtick, partially due to my experience as a youngster who didn’t quite get the humor. Also the “her dad’s gonna kill you” jokes were always delivered in a somewhat serious tone.

    That kind of rhetoric often causes decent young men to shy away from asking girls out due to fear that any misinterpreted statement or behavior will bring them a lot of grief from hypersensitive parents. That makes the competition even easier for cads who, if anything, have a ZFG attitude about what “daddy” may think, and in fact chase after those kinds of girls because they find the chance to date Harley McBadboy all the more exciting.

  6. RagingBeta says:

    Seems try-hard. Try-hard is beta. I don’t have kids though.

  7. RagingBeta says:

    A man at my church mentioned that his daughter will never be alone with any man until she’s married, and also that he has a shovel and an alibi. “Great,” I thought. “She’ll be taking up a career as a cat herder.”

  8. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    More proof that women are not the smarter sex: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/manhattan/woman-legs-severed-struck-manhattan-train-article-1.3677501

    A Brooklyn woman who climbed onto the subway tracks to retrieve her dropped purse was hit by a train and lost both of her legs below the knee, authorities said Monday.

  9. Anonymous Reader says:

    What? This is stupid. Does the shirt come with a matching pair of Purity rings and a rhinestone tiara that says “Daddy’s Princess Is Always Right”? Or will that stuff be sold separately?

    Is there a picture of a helicopter on the back, labeled “Daddy’s Always Hovering”? There should be. Look, I get the point, but this is right up with those “10 rulez for dating mah special snowflake!” memes. It’s way, way, way too Try Hard.

    Sure, the emotional argument is “Father will protect daughter from bad men at all costs”, but the actual words say “Daddy’s going to jail for a long time”. It’s like the gunshow commando T’s that say “Kill ’em all, let God sort them out!”, etc. that one sometimes sees on an overweight doofus carrying a 32 ounce soda. Great thing for pictures in the media if he ever actually has to defend himself.

    In my neck of the woods (redneck heaven*) the shirt pictured above would be well loved as a signal to young men that all sexual encounters of any kind with said daughter will occur on the daughter’s terms.

    Fixed that for you. For the last 15 to 20 years I’ve been seeing more and more Helicopter Daddies. They insist on policing everyone around their special snowflake daughter all the time. The churchgoing versions are worse, and the churchgoing helicopter Daddy with no sons, only daughters? Over the top. Expect those daughters to pick a college 1,000 miles from home….

    Again, I get the intent. But there’s a strong whiff of White Knighting – “I can do whatever I want, Daddy will always cover the tab!” – here.

    Bonus: In my world a red dot on me or those under my authority demands an Immediate Action Drill. I don’t live in Italy.

  10. Guys, this shirt is not aimed at prospective husbands of daughters. It is for pre-teen girls who are walking on the street where they live. Think of a neighborhood where gangs are starting to set up shop. In that situation, it would be reasonable for homeowners to sit on their roofs with sniper rifles.

  11. feministhater says:

    Guys, this shirt is not aimed at prospective husbands of daughters. It is for pre-teen girls who are walking on the street where they live. Think of a neighborhood where gangs are starting to set up shop. In that situation, it would be reasonable for homeowners to sit on their roofs with sniper rifles.

    Oh sure, it’s not aimed at prospective husbands but at the undesirables…. Every move you make, every step you take, daddies watching you… lol, we all know what the shirt means. It’s an over estimation of daddy’s power to control who sleeps with his daughter and who doesn’t. In the end, he has no power over her and thus it’s merely an attempt to ape for his daughter in the hopes that he gets a nice pat on the head.

    Who the shirt advocates, if we are to take you seriously, is murder. Cold, blooded murder.

  12. VFM #7916 says:

    “It would be loved as an announcement of moxie, sexual liberation and empowerment, enforced by the girl’s father.”

    This is not a good thing. This is why I had an issue with the shirt as well.

    Virtue signaling has been around since the dawn of man. We mock SJW virtue signalling not because of the act itself, but because of what virtue they’re signaling. It was a virtue under patriarchy to make the best match possible for your daughter; she was chattel at that time. Patriarchy no longer exists. Women have legal agency. As you noted the father here is enforcing his daughter’s sluttiness on her terms. She can bang whoever she wants, and what will happen? Nothing to her, and nothing to the cad who bangs her if the dad wants to avoid a murder rap.

    It’s essentially empty virtue signalling, even if the virtue is a protective father who wants the best for his daughter. I submit that the attitude embodied by this protectiveness is in fact one of the downfalls of western civilization and women in general. It’s the female imperative enforced by the gun.

    Instead, I will be looking, actively, for older men to marry my daughters. About 5 to 8 years older would be good. That strategy also relies on training your daughters that their highest calling is to be a wife and mother. It relies on me teaching her what defines a good man, and that her window of opportunity rapidly closes. I have to teach opportunity cost, and how to avoid buyers’ remorse. Couple that with a more mature understanding about love (that’s the hard task), and how to be happy with her biology.

    That’s hard to put on a T-Shirt.

    It’d be better to say “Which ring do you prefer?” with a sight reticule above and a wedding ring below. At least it’s talking about marriage.

  13. Trust says:

    Modern American see protectors and providers as subordinates.

  14. Trust says:

    Modern American women see protectors and providers as subordinates.

  15. Gunner Q says:

    Considering how poorly modern women, fathers and authorities already treat bachelors, shirts like that aren’t funny. Young men already face Star Chambers just for saying “hello”. Now they have to take death threats as jokes?

    Would fathers laugh at a suitor wearing an “I will bang her over your dead body” shirt?

    If I had a marriage-age daughter then she’d wear a “For Sale By Owner” shirt and I’d accept the first suitor who was honest, devout and ambitious. Those qualities are rare enough today.

    Jeremy VanGelder @ 5:57 pm:
    “Think of a neighborhood where gangs are starting to set up shop.”

    Do you know why young men join gangs? Because membership comes with respect and sex appeal.

  16. Anonymous Reader says:

    Jeremy vanGelder
    Guys, this shirt is not aimed at prospective husbands of daughters. It is for pre-teen girls who are walking on the street where they live.

    Special snowflake princess it is, then!

    Think of a neighborhood where gangs are starting to set up shop. In that situation, it would be reasonable for homeowners to sit on their roofs with sniper rifles.

    I’m not going to take the time right now to spell out all the ways this is dumb, foolish and stupid. I will suggest that you do not have a clue what you are writing about: not legally and not tactically just for a start.

  17. Cane Caldo says:

    In my neck of the woods (redneck heaven*) the shirt pictured above would be well loved as a signal to young men that all sexual encounters with said daughter will occur on the daughter’s terms. It would be loved as an announcement of moxie, sexual liberation and empowerment, enforced by the girl’s father.

    Seconded. It reads to me, also in redneck heaven, like a bandage for an ego that is bruised by the reality that–as a father in a state which has a monopoly on force–you get one opportunity to physically protect your daughter from a cad. Spend it wisely because after that you’ll be in jail for a good while. For most American men: No one is coming to take your place. No one will overwatch your other children while you’re away.

    The only people this could possibly deter are those who are disgusted by redneck culture (Bibles ‘n’ guns) as raciss, i.e., SJWs and most with dark skin. I assume that is the real message. It’s not called Crypto Fashion for nothing.

    It will definitely work on SJWs. The result on non-whites is less sure. If you live in a place where unwanted attention from non-whites towards your daughter is a possibility it would be better to move…preferably among others with whom you do want their attentions.

  18. earlthomas786 says:

    Instead, I will be looking, actively, for older men to marry my daughters. About 5 to 8 years older would be good. That strategy also relies on training your daughters that their highest calling is to be a wife and mother. It relies on me teaching her what defines a good man, and that her window of opportunity rapidly closes. I have to teach opportunity cost, and how to avoid buyers’ remorse. Couple that with a more mature understanding about love (that’s the hard task), and how to be happy with her biology.

    I’m not a father…but I agree with this entirely. It’s your job as a father to not only protect your daughters but to give them this type of advice.

  19. After meeting The Boy for the first time, daughter phoned me once home after dinner.
    “What did you say to him!!!”
    “Why?”
    “The whole hour home he wouldn’t say anything just stared out the window.”
    “Ah.”

    When I shook his hand saying goodbye I drew him in and whispered
    “I have done it before, I can do it again.”

    (I’m 6-2 and he knows I have two combat tours of Bosnia.)

  20. Luckily he is a good kid and after four years they are now engaged at 23 and 21.

  21. RICanuck says:

    In my blue pill days I would make jokes like that. My daughter was not fooled.

    Other commenters are right, it only scares off the beta provider boys, not the ‘bad’ boys. It creates a strong chance of pregnancy and daddy may never know who the sperm donor is.

    My teenage years were spent in a neighbourhood and high school that was pretty ghetto. I’ve witnessed a murder, I’ve dodged bullets. In a bad neighbourhood like some commenters are discussing, a good rule for survival is NEVER make threats. Don’t brandish a weapon, because if you do, whatever happens to you is self defense.

    It’s not easy to control daughters. A couple of years ago, I had a contract in Toronto. I shared a basement apartment in a neighbourhood with a lot of Muslims. The teenage girls mostly wore headscarves. Those headscarves got whipped off as soon as they walked through the doors of the high school. The only time I saw Muslim girls with full face covering was between 3:00 and 5:00 AM on Saturday and Sunday mornings, when they were sneaking home before mommy and daddy woke up.

    Vox’s T shirt is a joke.

  22. RICanuck says:

    @MGTOWhorse

    Birchmount & Finch. Scarberia all right.

  23. earlthomas786 says:

    Again, I get the intent. But there’s a strong whiff of White Knighting – “I can do whatever I want, Daddy will always cover the tab!” – here.

    Another aspect I think I’ve heard before is the father is compensating his authority over his daughter because he has little/no authority over his wife. Or the wife may belittlle him all the time, but his daughter actually looks up to him.

  24. earlthomas786 says:

    *overcompensating

  25. Yep, Dad’s too much of a pussy to put restrictions on the daughter’s behavior so he has to double down on acting like a hard-ass towards the guy who she’s probably having sex with.

  26. It’s just fronting, the only guys it would work on are guys who weren’t a threat to start with.

    I don’t even see the humor at this point, it’s just a mess on a couple of different levels, what daughter would wear this, what father would give this to his daughter? Who is this for?

  27. Patrick says:

    Yes, this T-Shirt screams “Tradcon father” and would worry me if I am advising a Red Pill man.

  28. BillyS says:

    You guys do realize that the daughter would have to want to wear this shirt, right? I can’t see her doing that for a dad who is a wuss.

    I do think it has more implication than Vox may realize, especially what Dalrock notes, but that is another issue.

    Some of you would never like anything!

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  30. feeriker says:

    Fixed that for you. For the last 15 to 20 years I’ve been seeing more and more Helicopter Daddies. They insist on policing everyone around their special snowflake daughter all the time. The churchgoing versions are worse, and the churchgoing helicopter Daddy with no sons, only daughters? Over the top. Expect those daughters to pick a college 1,000 miles from home….

    Yes, this a strategy guaranteed to lift Pwecious Pwincess right up onto the cock carousel.

    If I were a young man and I encountered a prospective girlfriend’s father in this mode, my response to the man would be “I’m sorry, but I didn’t know that your daughter was already in a committed relationship. I’ve never been an interloper and have never broken up a relationship between two people in love and don’t intend to start now. I guess I’ll going. Enjoy your lives together.”

    Bonus: In my world a red dot on me or those under my authority demands an Immediate Action Drill. I don’t live in Italy.

    Yeah, one of the (several) reasons why I’m not a member of the Ted Beale, er, “Vox Day” fan club is because of his endless alt-right bloviating about “taking back America,” when he hasn’t lived here in years* and has ZE-RO clue about conditions on the ground. Yet he appears to think he has all tbe answers It’s like me urging Greeks to “take back their country from the Eurobanksters” when I haven’t lived there in over 20 years and no longer have any first-hand perspective on what daily life on the ground is like, even if I stay in regular contact with friends there. My exhortations would come across as arrogant, buffoonish, ignorant, and insensitive. Some people really need to let the cerebrum churn for a few minutes before they put fingers to keyboard.

    (* To be clear, I have nothing at all against Vox’s status as an ex-pat. Heck, I plan to be one myself in not too many years. It’s just that he tends to seriously lose perspective at times.)

  31. GUITARMAN says:

    Fucking missing the point. Sheesh.

  32. feeriker says:

    Young American men today are so emasculated that a young American woman is more at risk of getting attacked by a sasquatch than getting pawed inappropriately by a date.

    No, what Daddy really wants this t-shirt to say, even if only subconsciously, is:

    YOU LET MY SLUTTY SKANK HO DAUGHTER TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOU (AND MAKE A FOOL OF ME) AND I’LL BLOW YOUR HEAD OFF!

    But he can’t, mostly because Mommy would call CPS on him before kicking him out of his own house and divorce raping him.

    But seriously, think about it: would a chaste daughter who made sensible decisions and whom Daddy could trust either want to or need to wear such a t-shirt?

  33. Oscar says:

    Speaking of which:

    Dad can’t bring himself to restrict the way his daughter dresses, so instead he wants to change her school’s dress code.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4884358/Dad-fights-middle-school-s-dress-code-behalf-daugter.html

    But that’s okay, because she only dresses that way because it’s hot out.

    “With temperatures reaching into the triple digits in the first weeks of school, Mr Alarcon thinks the school is asking a lot of its girls to adhere to the dress code.

    ‘I mean, today it’s 90 degrees outside and she’s wearing leggings because she doesn’t want to be dress-coded for wearing shorts,’ Mr Alarcon told CBS San Francisco. ‘And it’s not OK. It needs to change.'”

    Oh, and it’s really hard to find girls’ shorts that comply with the school’s dress code.

    “Her dad also pointed out that it’s almost impossible to find girl’s shorts that meet the school’s requirements.

    ‘The only stores that sell longer shorts are Sears and Lands End,’ he told the Mercury News.”

    Lands’ End? May as wells be Zanzibar.

  34. Boxer says:

    Dad can’t bring himself to restrict the way his daughter dresses, so instead he wants to change her school’s dress code.

    LOL! How old is this little skank-ho in training? I’d guess 15. She looks like a damned little freak, and she’s a total embarrassment to herself and her family.

    No worries though. I’m sure she’s being broken in already. The young bros will start using her and tossing her into the trash heap, one after the other, when she’s around 19 or so. By 24, she’ll be toast.

    Good job “dad,” you faggot.

  35. RobJ says:

    If a young lady presents herself as an attractive future wife for a good man – dressing modestly, wearing her hair long in its original color, conversing pleasantly, wearing light makeup or none, and generally displaying femininity – she will attract lots of long-term attention from good young men.

    If a young woman presents herself as a slam dunk one-night-stand for cads – dressing like a hooker, coloring and/or cutting her hair grotesquely, beclowning her face with piercings and garish makeup, covering her body with tattoos, cussing like a sailor, and generally acting like damaged goods – then she will attract bursts of fleeting attention from the pump-and-dump players.

    Dad’s job is to help her choose the first option, especially when he’s not around. I don’t think that a t-shirt with a meme helps.

  36. Genx72 says:

    36 ¶ But if any man thinks he is behaving improperly toward his virgin, if she is past the flower of youth, and thus it must be, let him do what he wishes. He does not sin; let them marry.
    37 Nevertheless he who stands steadfast in his heart, having no necessity, but has power over his own will, and has so determined in his heart that he will keep his virgin,[fn] does well.
    38 So then he who gives her[fn] in marriage does well, but he who does not give her in marriage does better.

    I was blessed to find this site about a year and a half ago. Was / am going through serious marital strain. The age old question brought me here “why doesn’t my wife want to fuck me?”. Thanks to this site and some recommendations here much has improved on this front.

    I read and study the word with great care searching for the answer the scriptures remedy provides on my family obligations, duties, and roles the sexes are to adhere to. I was raised Nominally Roman Catholic and was of the world. I found the Lord and His word as an adult in my late 20’s early 30’s through the encouragement of my now spouse. She was raised Pentecostal/femangelical and cannot brake the veil due to familial ties, superstition, and a worshipful relationship with an older sibling I call sister husband who has a ministry degree from Fuller seminary in “Global Leadership”. Yeah I know it’s even more painful than it sounds.

    I haven’t written my wife off but am trying to let go and walk in the Lord and fulfill my marital obligations as best as I can.

    I have two daughters 8 and 11 the above scriptural obligation ways on me greatly.
    The Lord has charged us to give them or keep them in purity.
    It is as profound today as it was when it first struck me.

    Thanks Dal for being here for me and helping me to confirm what I already knew to be true in the scriptures. And for exposing the adversary and his useful idiots and methods.

    1 ¶ Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away.
    2 For if the word spoken through angels proved steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just reward,
    3 how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him,

  37. seventiesjason says:

    Saw a shirt being worn by a guy (a father) a little younger than me in Walmart while in checkout….he’s with his wife three children (all daughters) two are teenagers. The teen aged daughters were in short shorts, flip flops, midriff showing. Long hair. Pretty actually.

    Anyway “dad” has a shirt on like this with pink script / writing that says:

    She’s NOT your BAE

    I got my shades on inside. Earbubs in. A Helen Shapiro song playing at that moment. All I could do was smile and think / assume by their the teen daughters dress, appearance and looks:

    They both had given plenty of BJ’s at this point. Maybe I’m wrong here. If I am. Yeah, my bad. Dad was so clueless about them. My pretty daughter would not be oozing sex while out in public like that if I had one 🙂

  38. Oscar says:

    @ Boxer

    She’s 13. I can’t imagine why a father would allow his daughter to dress that way.

  39. snowdensjacket0x0x0 says:

    Vox day is wrong. If I saw any girl wearing that shirt, that he wants to sell to make money, she would instantly be a pump and dump. I’m not competing with a pathetic betafag father who uses a shirt to communicate with me for the attention of his little girl.

    He made a massive misstep with that shirt to try to make money. He fucked up. Of course he’ll never admit it and rather rant about how much smarter he is than everyone else. But hey VD is gonna go to him. Incredible predictable.

  40. Embracing Reality says:

    I wonder if “Daddy” will put the red dot on princess when she’s sneaking out of her bedroom window at night to rendezvous with Alpha? That scenario is far closer to the truth than the notion of anything happening against her will.

  41. Spike says:

    I think you covered this in an article called, “Cartoonish Chivalry”, Dalrock.
    The Dad-as-enforcer schtick isn’t funny. It also is counter-productive. Seriously, is Dad going to enforce all of her stupid choices? And teenage girls make stupid ones. As children they scream over boy bands and lip-synchers. Yet we are to expect that 2 years later, they are mature enough to make sexual choices without parental (father) involvement.
    A far better and I think biblical attitude was Scott’s,where he said that when his daughters were of age, he would help them find husbands. Rollo had a similar idea, stated bluntly:
    “She’s interested in dick. If you don’t find one for her, she will find one for herself” (my paraphrase).
    This has been the role of the father for the duration of civilization, and had only been dropped with the rise of feminism.

  42. snowdensjacket0x0x0 says:

    More posting for you guys.

    Pathetic cucks will protect their daughters from all the good men who listen, as I once was, but they can’t do shit to the bad men who don’t listen.

    This is just more of the cuckery. They’re too scared and utterly pathetic to hold any woman or girl to account. So they pretend like they can just go shove it all onto guys. They succeed in scaring away any good man. But the bad men? Lololol we don’t fucking care. That’s what makes us attractive.

    Also vox day? Lol. Beta as they come. But oh wait he made up a new definition so he doesn’t have to accept that he’s a betafag. He’s a sigmafag. Hilarious.

  43. snowdensjacket0x0x0 says:

    As a father of daughters I’m glad we agree.

    When my wife was a teenager she wanted dick so she found dick. Her father was a play alpha who would scare away every single good guy so she found a bad guy. Like she was thinking of the future. Women aren’t capable of thinking of the future there’s no feelz there.

    Luckily for her I found her a few years later and put her straight. Because she either follows my path or goes back to the bad men. Her father? I told him to go fuck himself. He can go back to play alpha along with VD.

    It’s just so pathetic.

    Damn VD. Damn. I knew you were a betafag but I didn’t realize you were that pathetic.

    In the good news front he’s turning alphagame over to someone else. Can’t be worse. Not like I check that site anymore anyway.

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  45. Anonymous Reader says:

    GUITARMAN
    Fucking missing the point. Sheesh.

    Could you please expand on that a bit?

  46. Anon says:

    This sort of cartoonish showboating from a cowardly father is probably the single biggest reasons for many young women ending up as old maids.

    Asdgamer’s daughters come to mind.

  47. Anon says:

    feeriker,

    Young American men today are so emasculated that a young American woman is more at risk of getting attacked by a sasquatch than getting pawed inappropriately by a date.

    LOL! Some of Feeriker’s one-liners are so funny because he doesn’t hold back on the metaphors.

    I was about to say a similar thing, except I was going to choose a Great Hammerhead Shark.

  48. Anon says:

    Nobody tell Jeremy van Geldling that women write love letters to serial killers.

  49. Anon says:

    The Onion should write an article about cartoonish fathers :

    “Local Man : Fear of men being interested in daughter rapidly gives way to fear of men not being interested in daughter.”

  50. feeriker says:

    She’s 13. I can’t imagine why a father would allow his daughter to dress that way.

    Generally speaking, fathers either can’t control their daughters’ rebellious behavior, for all the reasons we ralk about hereabouts, or won’t bother, because they’re either too lazy to parent or are as depraved as their daughters.

    This guy Tony Alarcon comes across as being just a garden-variety idiot.

  51. feeriker says:

    The Onion should write an article about cartoonish fathers :

    “Local Man : Fear of men being interested in daughter rapidly gives way to fear of men not being interested in daughter.”

    Or:

    Daughter Dumps Dad For Guy Her Own Age

  52. evilwhitemalempire says:

    Well, actually it is a feminist shirt.
    If the idea is that dad is backing up HER mate choices (even if they conflict with HIS preferences).
    In real patriarchy the father scrutinizes all the suitors and decides who will be the one, not the girl.
    Anything short of this and the father is just another white knight, cuck working for the matriarchy.

  53. Opus says:

    @Oscar

    Oh no not more Jail-Bait.

  54. Well damn Dalrock, now you’re a “gamma” too. Inform your wife and welcome to the club.

  55. snowdensjacket0x0x0 says:

    This shirt. Dear God it’s just so moronic on every possible level.

    All the alt-fags were right weren’t they?

    VD actually is a huge cuck and spacebunny has his balls in her handbag. No wonder he went after Gab. They wouldn’t expel the guys who made fun of his precious princess.

    Our elite folks. And do not doubt it VD was born, born, into the upper class. But now? God he’s so out of touch. Typical.

    It just boggles my mind that he somehow thought that shirt was a good idea… Insane.

    I keep my wife and my daughters wearing dresses. The recent cane and dalrock posts only reinforced that with me, so I reinforced that with them. And dresses abound. I have no need to wear such a pathetic joke of a t-shirt.

    Whatever happened to that ancient asdgamer after all? Haven’t seen him around in a long time.

  56. charles says:

    As I appear to be banned from Vox for some other infraction, I was not able to post there; but I had to agree with the angle expressed. And it illuminates many things that the reasonable alternative interpretation of the shirt earned the dissenter verbal abuse.

    You would think that “kissing dating goodbye” would be gone and buried, but that book is still being sold in bookshops in Argentina and Romania; i’ve seen them there in recent years. There is a church within five minutes of me in Maryland that still requires its members — adult, self supporting members — to go through a church process to go out and socialize (i.e. “date”) a member of the opposite sex. I don’t know for a fact but i am inclined to think this is only enforced on males. As an adult male single the first time around, I have even gone out (once) with a woman who insisted that I go through her church elders to do that; and she did not get a second date because she insisted on my repeating that process. As troll repellant I will add that we socialized in purity that first time. As an adult single male second time around I went out with a woman who was ok with making that decision for herself but only ok with having her elders vet me if the relationship continued. I could accept that to a degree, but not to the degree her church *meant*. It is worth mentioning that if you look through websites speaking of the degree of abuse people are complaining about — still – at the mess in Sovereign Grace, that place that kickstarted KDG and Joshua’s career — there are many tales of the church stepping in high handedly in what should not have been their business.

    This is all revisited because that is a part of the subtext to this mess about the T shirt. Here’s my two cents worth: Some fathers know deep down inside they have not succeeded in imparting Godly wisdom to their daughters who otherwise would be “normal” Christians. They are obliquely trying to make up for that failure. There are other interpretations, etc.; please spare me the annoyance that I am stuck on this one point. But it is a point that needs to be made.

  57. Obstinatus Ludificator says:

    “Daddy” makes it extra creepy. Sounds like a five year old saying it: “Imma get my daddy to beat you up, cootie boy!”

  58. charles says:

    My first attempt to comment disappeared, so apologies if I repeat myself. You would think that “Kissing Dating Goodbye” would be dead and buried, but it is not. In recent three or four years I have seen that book in Romania and Argentina in “Christian” book stores. Within five minutes of my house in Maryland there is a church that holds adult, self supporting believers to an understanding in which church elders get to be involved if two believers (gasp) go on a (gasp) date.

    All this is revisited because I think that for some, that subtext is still there; that men are inherently ungodly in a way women are not. This T shirt for some people has appeal because deep down inside they know that the church has failed to inculcate godly virtue in some women, so other pressures are applied.

  59. earlthomas786 says:

    Mr Alarcon says he’s worried that the dress code is having a negative impact on the female student body.

    ‘We have to have dress codes that are fair and reasonable, and don’t cause them emotional issues – cause them to question their bodies or feel like they’re sex symbols at 13 years old. Because they’re not. They’re just kids,’ he said.

    They always seem to bring that up to rationalize dressing immodestly. It’s not a negative impact on the female body when they are dressed modestly…it actually accentuates it.

    Showing everything for the world to see is the negative impact. Especially when they are that age.

  60. As the thread that this spawned at VD’s place went over, in amazing amount of detail, there is a clear level of cultural & status response differentials to the shirt. mgtowhorseman understood the concept, but a lot of others don’t.

    It is right and proper to protect your family. What Dalrock has mostly dealt with is the Churchian Inversion of feminine primacy and its clash with protection instincts. Of course the Churchians would get creepy, but that doesn’t change the instincts as being both right and proper.

    There’s also a self-selection aspect to any girl that willing chooses to wear the shirt. That’s where the Texas crew would have a very different cultural response than anyone else. The “redneck” overcompensating bravado is a cultural affect. In places that don’t have that? Very different signaling.

    Related, but Crypto.Fashion really does use good shirts and I would recommend them. I prefer the Urban Collection, personally. I just like mocking people in languages they don’t understand. It’s a smart guy thing.

  61. feeriker says:

    We have to have dress codes that are fair and reasonable, and don’t cause them emotional issues – cause them to question their bodies or feel like they’re sex symbols at 13 years old. Because they’re not. They’re just kids,’ he said.

    Were it not for the last two words of that quote, I would have assumed that it came from the girl’s mother, given its emphasis on feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings. Amazing how pussywhipped and cucked so many husbands and fathers are that everything that comes out of their mouths channels mom.

    We know who wears the pants in that houehold, and it ain’t “Dad.”

  62. Jacob says:

    Vox Day is a damned fool. He’s always looking for ways to co-opt every difficulty into the “war for white west” he’s been trying to start for a decade or more. He’s intelligent and often quite insightful but he’s a false prophet as far as the Christian view goes. Beware the professing Christian who’s just so certain about his own ideas.

  63. lckychrmsrr says:

    Glad to see more like minded commenters on here who get it. I was surprised at the level of butt-hurt defensiveness on VD. The shirt instantly comes off as try-hard in the way seventiesjason mentioned with the Walmart example. Matches my experiences here exactly.

    Redneckville, Texas. 3 girls.

  64. Oscar says:

    @ feeriker

    “Were it not for the last two words of that quote, I would have assumed that it came from the girl’s mother… ”

    Exactly. I understand why some mothers allow their daughters to dress that way. It’s repugnant, but I get it. They’re living vicariously through their daughters. They’re just as bad as (or worse than) the fathers who push their sons to high school football “glory”.

    But when a father lets his daughter dress that way, and offers ridiculous excuses for it, that just doesn’t compute.

  65. White Guy says:

    Ton called it, fake masculinity. Here in the South (I’m south of Dalrock’s AO) it’s like this everywhere. I asked my girls last night (13 & 11) about these shirts, they got a good laugh and said they would wear them. The ‘gleam’ in their eye told me everything I needed to know, no way would I let them go out in these.
    The homeschooling circle we travel in the boys are absolutely TERRIFIED of me, and I’ve never tried to intimidate,scare, or AMOG around anyone in the group. All their dad’s are the churchian/cuck/low beta types of course and don’t know what to do with me.

    Ugh I’m going to have a hell of time finding men for my girls.

  66. @Oscar:

    It’s not “let”; it’s “encourage”. And/or “buys the skimpy clothes for them”.

    @lckychrmsrr:

    That’s 3 examples of those in the Texas cultural set that would have a very different response because of a local, cultural more that happens to be twisted away from right & proper. Outside of Texas, the effect is very different.

    For anyone that it’s half a joke and half a standing expectation, it’s funny. For the Texas set, it comes off as weak posturing. Same language, different local identities, thus different responses.

  67. We’ve got a “is the dress blue or gold?” situation. 🙂

  68. Hugh Mann says:

    GenX72 – “The age old question brought me here”

    RP sites in general (and I include Vox, we all get it wrong sometimes) have been a boon and a blessing to men. Even as a lazy beta soul with no intention of changing, at least the dynamics of how things work are made plain, whereas before we saw through a glass, darkly. We know where we stand.

  69. BillyS says:

    Charles,

    Do you really want to embrace the modern dating culture? Can you explain the wonders it has done for us?

    Keep in mind that dating is a recent phenomenon, not a long term one. It may seem to have existed forever in your memory, but people didn’t “date” 300 years ago.

    It is very corrupt and a major part of the problem. The way some implement courting may be off (or not), but that doesn’t mean dating is wonderful.

  70. earlthomas786 says:

    But when a father lets his daughter dress that way, and offers ridiculous excuses for it, that just doesn’t compute.

    Other than what feeriker said…it’s the wife’s words coming out of the husband’s mouth.

    Because let’s face it…which parent do you think buys the girl clothes?

  71. Rum says:

    I have a grown daughter who turned out pretty well. Looking back ( and looking around me today) I think the T shirt is just try-hard that misses the point and reeks of lame-ness.
    First, kids are ~ 100% influenced by the example you set and only listen to anything you say or put on a T shirt if you have gotten a lot of other things right. So, get them right.
    Second, laser sights are just pathetic. Just mentioning them beclowns oneself. If you do not know what an ACOG is, stay away from the subject.

  72. lckychrmsrr says:

    @Looking Glass

    Fair point. It’s the same one I was trying to make over at VD that got way misunderstood.

  73. Scott says:

    @Cane

    Seconded. It reads to me, also in redneck heaven, like a bandage for an ego that is bruised by the reality that–as a father in a state which has a monopoly on force–you get one opportunity to physically protect your daughter from a cad. Spend it wisely because after that you’ll be in jail for a good while. For most American men: No one is coming to take your place. No one will overwatch your other children while you’re away.

    The only people this could possibly deter are those who are disgusted by redneck culture (Bibles ‘n’ guns) as raciss, i.e., SJWs and most with dark skin. I assume that is the real message. It’s not called Crypto Fashion for nothing.

    It will definitely work on SJWs. The result on non-whites is less sure. If you live in a place where unwanted attention from non-whites towards your daughter is a possibility it would be better to move…preferably among others with whom you do want their attentions.

    Correct, correct, and correct. We are WAY past living in a society where this could possibly mean anything different. (Or be useful in the way it might have been then).

    Nobody gives a crap what message you plaster on your daughter. Your best bet is to move somewhere safer. (And “safer” just like “better schools” is a euphemism).

  74. patriarchal landmine says:

    the men are always expendable, and vox day is apparently fine with that.

    he might suddenly wake up and find out he has no more male friends.

  75. Michael says:

    Most of the comments here are wrongheaded and dense. Folks would do well to remember the shirt isn’t worn by fathers, it’s worn by young ladies who choose to wear it. The message says this girl is loved and protected and that’s a message that girls treasure. I have found much of the commentary on the dad-Cuck to be hilariously funny, but hilariously misplaced in regard to this message. The message isn’t ‘I’m with her’ feminist sexual liberation Grrrl Power- just the opposite- ‘I’m just a girl and I need love and protection, and I HAVE IT! So there!’ Its not a warning to boys it’s a declaration to all that I AM LOVED. Valued. Wife material. Girls are fragile and they want to be loved. If you would rather they do not desperately seek out male attention, any male attention then surround them with love, teach them healthy self esteem and equip them with the tools they need to say no to the jerks and users. I think the message of the shirt plainly fits right in with that strategy, is funny to boot, and I ordered 2 for the granddaughters after they saw them and approved. We live in small town South Texas.

  76. Daniel says:

    Leviticus 19:29 Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a whore; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.

    Fathers must teach their daughters to be virtuous, and also avoid putting them in compromising situations. She should want your approval for any man she sees, and any man she sees should respect you and obey your rules.

    Courtship movements here in the States tried to formulate specific rules that everyone must follow. The bible is not so specific, and I think its up to each man to decide how to manage the situation.

    I don’t think I’m going to send my daughter to a secular university away from home. I might as well book her a room in a brothel and charge her to remain chaste.

  77. anonymous_ng says:

    Well, I’m in a similar boat to White Guy. I go out of my way to be intimidating. I don’t AMOG people. Yet, people find me intimidating. I don’t see it, but whatever.

    At the HS my kids attend, half of the girls there dress like little tarts. A good friend teaches mathematics there and he said that their mothers dress the same way.

    My ex doesn’t dress like a whore, and neither do any of her friends or relatives. So, the girls didn’t have any whorish examples to emulate. Also, we set certain standards of modesty with regard to how they dress, but then within those standards gave them the freedom to dress how they want. So, my youngest is kind of a rocker chick wearing jeans and band t-shirts. My eldest was more stylish in a younger woman’s expression of classic style, maybe almost preppy.

    Then, we set a rule that they couldn’t date until they were 18. That is, they couldn’t date in the modern sense AKA marriage lite. At the same time, I’ve encouraged all the kids to make friends with as many members of the opposite sex as possible and that they were allowed to go to the movies etc in large groups, but we never let them just hang out at the mall unattended.

    My eldest daughter has told me that our rules went a long way toward minimizing the drama in high school especially in comparison to some of her friends.

  78. Gunner Q says:

    Looking Glass @ 7:00 am:
    “As the thread that this spawned at VD’s place went over, in amazing amount of detail, there is a clear level of cultural & status response differentials to the shirt.”

    Exactly. Alphas seek conflict as a sorting tool while Betas avoid conflict as a threat. Alpha Daddy wants to sort his daughter’s suitors by status and that, amplified by “protective Daddy syndrome”, created this shirt. The shirt doesn’t work because Alphas make poor husbands… a difficult concept for Alpha fathers to accept.

    It needs frequent repeating that “Alpha” is a metric of sexual desirability, not of personal worth as a human being. I have an Omega-level friend that I would happily trust with my very life.

  79. Anonymous Reader says:

    Looking Glass
    For anyone that it’s half a joke and half a standing expectation, it’s funny. For the Texas set, it comes off as weak posturing. Same language, different local identities, thus different responses.

    I’m not in Texas, but this is a clear example of “battleship mouth, rowboat ass” bogus posturing. These are the words of a poseur, a fake, a BS artist, perhaps a child. Not a serious man of arms, and therefore not a serious protector of anyone.

    The T-shirt is an empty threat and any man with a lick of sense knows it.
    But it may well sell, if so then P.T. Barnum is proven right again.

  80. I ordered 2 for the granddaughters after they saw them and approved.

    Hahahaha

  81. @lckychrmsrr:

    The results have been fascinating about this shirt, I will admit. It splits along a lot of lines that I’m not sure anyone realized existed until we started talking about it.

  82. Anonymous Reader says:

    Looking Glass
    We’ve got a “is the dress blue or gold?” situation. 🙂

    Not really. It’s more of “Poseur or serious man?” situation.
    Or to put it in terms some might understand: “Bullshit, or not?” where the obvious answer is BS.

  83. Anonymous Reader says:

    GunnerQ
    The shirt doesn’t work because Alphas make poor husbands…

    The shirt doesn’t work because it doesn’t pass the laugh test. It’s a BS empty threat. Might as well say “If mah princess isn’t home by 11:00 PM Imma get in my Apache gunship that’s in the back yard and fly around until I find you then put a Hellfire missile in your lap!”, that’s only slightly less convincing.

    Plus as we have all noted, to a genuine PUA / “Chad” type that drivel about “red dot” on the front just makes him want to access the pink dots under it all the more.

  84. Gunner Q says:

    “It splits along a lot of lines that I’m not sure anyone realized existed until we started talking about it.”

    Alpha contempt for the unsexy has always been around. Vox Day is normally above that because he respects Christ so it’s shocking to come from that source.

    If the shirt had come from the makers of “If I tell you then I have to kill you” then nobody here would have blinked.

  85. Anonymous Reader says:

    Michael
    Most of the comments here are wrongheaded and dense.

    Most of the comments here are by men. Are all men wrongheaded and dense to you?

    Folks would do well to remember the shirt isn’t worn by fathers, it’s worn by young ladies who choose to wear it. The message says this girl is loved and protected and that’s a message that girls treasure

    That might be how girls read it – you’re a grandmother, I assume?
    Men read it differently, as should be clear by now.

    I ordered 2 for the granddaughters after they saw them and approved. We live in small town South Texas.

    Your granddaughters have my sympathy. The father even more so. If he’s allowed to be around now. If your daughter frivorced him, he has even more of my sympathy.

  86. Anonymous Reader says:

    BillyS
    Charles,
    Do you really want to embrace the modern dating culture?

    False dichotomy. “I kissed dating goodbye” has done some real damage. So has the modern dating culture. There are multiple possibilities between the two. It is quite possible to step away from the fake neoVictorian “IKDG” without stepping into the hookup world. I see groups of high schoolers out as groups on a regular basis, for example.

  87. Boxer says:

    Girls are fragile and they want to be loved.

    lolled hard

  88. Michael says:

    I am stunned by the sheer number of fools who think the shirt is about them. While many here are using this little debate to vigorously signal their fantasy alpha credentials the shirt is a message to, and from, little girls and young ladies. It’s not about you and your heroic masculinity (which curiously must be publicly displayed like a short skirt on a slut.) The message is about surrounding your girls with love and regular reminders of their INHERENT self worth. Such a girl is a hard target for the jerks. And since only girls who choose to wear it will wear it, it is also a message from her to the world: ‘I am loved and protected and not easy pickins’. Some will simply not be able to grok that there may be some question whose answer does not begin and end with: what’s this say about memememememememe! Which is, just coincidentally Im sure! what my grandkids call their Grandmother.

  89. Scott says:

    To expand a little further on my initial comment, in light of the comments that have followed.

    What I remember about the dating years (mine were split in two segments–mid 80s to 93–my first marriage and then 2000-2007–divorced and then remarried) is that dads were always on the periphery. Its not that they made idle threats–either in person or by adorning their daughters with stupid t-shirts–but that they were simply irrelevant.

    From the first girlfriend I ever had (1986) it was just, I pick you up at your house and we go somewhere else. If the dad was home, it was like “that’s my dad over there.”

    “Cool, later dude.”

    It never occurred to me that there would be or should be a confrontation or any interaction beyond that.

    And as I have repeatedly argued for several years now, this was just normal teen/early 20s behavior. I never thought of myself as a “Chad” or “PUA” or whatever. Just an American guy with a string of LTRs, like pretty much everybody else.

    I actually lived with my girlfriend (the second one whom I met as a senior in HS) for a year. The only time it was ever an issue was when I went to visit my cousin and brought my girlfriend with me. My cousins grandparents (her moms parents–not related to me) were so upset that me and my girfriend were sleeping in the same room that they left for the rest of the vacation and got a room in a hotel.

    And everybody thought they were behind the times and totally weird. The awkwardness was on them, not us.

  90. The message is about surrounding your girls with love and regular reminders of their INHERENT self worth.

    The laughs just don’t stop. Did you take your grand-princesses to see Frozen while it was in theaters? Did the also approve of “Let it Go”?

  91. Anonymous Reader says:

    anonymous_ng
    Then, we set a rule that they couldn’t date until they were 18. That is, they couldn’t date in the modern sense AKA marriage lite.

    I have heard this from other sources, that in many high schools a “date” means full sex. Anyone who is “dating” is “doing it” and has been since the first time they went out. At first I was skeptical, but listening to high school people this seems to be the case at least for some demographics in some areas, maybe very wide spread (no pun intended). That would explain why I see so many high schoolers in groups.

    At the same time, I’ve encouraged all the kids to make friends with as many members of the opposite sex as possible and that they were allowed to go to the movies etc in large groups, but we never let them just hang out at the mall unattended.

    That’s prudent. More useful than the T-shirt in question, but more work as well…

  92. rocko says:

    See, this is why I’m not big on the whole purity ring movement. It’s not that abstinence in itself is a bad idea. But kids have to be given incentives, keep them busy and engaged, make them shy away from sex. This does the opposite. Not only does it emphasize the sexual overtones of being a virgin, it makes the girls out to be delicate little flowers.

  93. Jason says:

    The memories from the 1980’s are starting to get fuzzy……..Scott I believe you and I are the same age, or around the same age. I never had a girlfriend…….dates…….a few ‘group’ dates so to speak in college…but does that really count??? No.

    I can say with confidence that “if” I did have a girlfriend during college years or after…….and “if” I was living with her, they would have been totally disappointed with me. They were not “religious” or church-folk, they just believed it was “wrong”

    When the truth finally crashed at the end of 2004 about all the drugs (during and after college) came out….man they were crushed. My mother was so heartbroken. It was the only time I saw my dad cry (they flew out here shortly after my bad crash). It took a few years for them to actually speak to me proper again, and a few more years for them to begin to trust me again.

    My younger brother is married (and has been now for fifteen years) and I recall at some family function down in Florida in the early 2000’s my younger brother and his future wife wanted to stay together in a hotel room for the week, my parents made them pay for it, and they made it clear they didn’t approve.

    Families be strange entities 🙂

  94. Boxer says:

    The message is about surrounding your girls with love and regular reminders of their INHERENT self worth.

    lolled hard again. Pop culture hasn’t sent nearly enough “self-esteem” messages to women. That’s why we’re all in the mess we’re in.

  95. Anonymous Reader says:

    Michael
    I am stunned by the sheer number of fools who think the shirt is about them.

    No doubt men are a complete mystery to you, dearie. But since this shirt has the word “DADDY” on the front, it is indeed about men.

    While many here are using this little debate to vigorously signal their fantasy alpha credentials the shirt is a message to, and from, little girls and young ladies.

    It is obvious that girls and perhaps feminized men see it that way.

    It’s not about you and your heroic masculinity (which curiously must be publicly displayed like a short skirt on a slut.)

    Dearie, it says “My Daddy will protect me” – that makes a statement, a promise, that a man must keep if he is a man of his word.

    The message is about surrounding your girls with love and regular reminders of their INHERENT self worth.

    I’m sure you see it that way, dearie, but actual men see this shirt differently.

    Such a girl is a hard target for the jerks.

    I laughed out loud, dearie, you really don’t know a thing about men, nor about the modern world.

    And since only girls who choose to wear it will wear it, it is also a message from her to the world: ‘I am loved and protected and not easy pickins’.

    Laughing again. You are foolish.

    Some will simply not be able to grok that there may be some question whose answer does not begin and end with: what’s this say about memememememememe! Which is, just coincidentally Im sure! what my grandkids call their Grandmother.

    Say, you wouldn’t happen to have your own WordPress website, would you “mememe”?
    Just wondering.

    tl;dr
    Solipsistic woman writes solipsistic text about how this shirt is all about girls, concludes by projecting her solipsism onto men. Men shrug.

  96. Michael says:

    Anonymouse Reader

    “Most of the comments here are by men. Are all men wrongheaded and dense to you?”

    Strutting peacocks with balloon sized egos so absurdly fragile that they are unable to cease their faux, bath house leathered-up mathculinity fantasizing long enough to consider the girls that they miraculously conceived in a rare moment of genuine masculinity ain’t my kinda ‘men’.

    “That might be how girls read it – you’re a grandmother, I assume?
    Men read it differently, as should be clear by now.”

    Yeth. Thum ‘men’ read it differently.

    “Your granddaughters have my sympathy. The father even more so. If he’s allowed to be around now. If your daughter frivorced him, he has even more of my sympathy.”

    As the children and grandchildren of mousey, insecure and overcompensating Internet ‘men’ have mine.

  97. Solipsistic woman writes solipsistic text about how this shirt is all about girls, concludes by projecting her solipsism onto men. Men shrug.

    It makes me feel better to realize it’s a woman. The cuck cringe was making laughing more difficult.

  98. Anonymous Reader says:

    Michael
    Strutting peacocks with balloon sized egos so absurdly fragile that they are unable to cease their faux, bath house leathered-up mathculinity fantasizing long enough to consider the girls that they miraculously conceived in a rare moment of genuine masculinity ain’t my kinda ‘men’.

    Yet those are exactly the kind of men who would be foolish enough to buy this shirt.
    You have contradicted yourself, dearie. Not the first time, I’m sure. Nor the last.

  99. White Guy says:

    Gents, it took me a second but I figured it out, Michael is a Boomtard.

    So Michael are the Beatles or the Eagles the best rock group ever to live?

  100. Jason says:

    No one touches The Beatles……but “The Who” is my choice. Lol. “Boomtard” 🙂

  101. Michael says:

    Anonymouse Reader
    “Dearie, it says “My Daddy will protect me” – that makes a statement, a promise, that a man must keep if he is a man of his word.”

    ‘…a promise…’ Hahaha. Yeah, that’s what it is. You’re so right. I see it now. It’s not about love and self worth of daughters, it’s a solemn obligation written in the blood of hard, serious men like you to smite other men in personal, preferably hand to hand combat. Signal harder Iron Mike. You are the living live action embodiment of the Saturday morning cartoon masculinity on TV. LOL! Bro, have you ever even been in a fight?

  102. It’s not about love and self worth of daughters

    Do you realize where you are in the internet?

  103. Anonymous Reader says:

    Michael
    It’s not about love and self worth of daughters, it’s a solemn obligation

    In your mindless, estrogen fueled snark an accidental truth. I’m sure it won’t make any impression.
    Question: do you have your own WordPress blog, “mememe”? It’s beginning to look like you do.

    I bet you are not really in South Texas, either.

  104. Michael says:

    White Gay

    “So Michael are the Beatles or the Eagles the best rock group ever to live?”

    I saw your remarks over at VP, and could not help but note the way you postured as a strutting peacock here while you offered your ass to Vox Day. Bitch move.

    And in answer to your question: Tool is the greatest rock band. Ever. Fire away.

  105. Michael says:

    Anonymouse

    “I bet you are not really in South Texas, either.”

    You are welcome to come find out.

  106. I saw your remarks over at VP, and could not help but note the way you postured as a strutting peacock here while you offered your ass to Vox Day. Bitch move.

    Popcorn me!

  107. You’ve confirmed everything we suspected about this shirt Michael. Slutty girls with the backing of their cucked older relatives will wear this shirt with pride. Your virtue will have been signaled and you can have a go at the pretense that if you ever did have balls that you still do.

  108. Michael says:

    BTW Anonymouse you never answered my question, have you actually ever even been in a real fight, not counting against girls?

  109. Jason says:

    “You knew what you were doing…..” as if a tee-shirt is gonna put the fear in a potential flavor of the week worn by dad, or protect the girl from a “predatory” guy worn by the girl. Like those bracelets they are using in Sweden now reminding “migrants” to not touch women

  110. Michael says:

    God is Laughing (mostly at you)
    “You’ve confirmed everything we suspected about this shirt Michael. Slutty girls with the backing of their cucked older relatives will wear this shirt with pride. Your virtue will have been signaled and you can have a go at the pretense that if you ever did have balls that you still do”

    Slutty girls don’t signal their affection for thier father. Slutty girls are gonna want the ‘ Her Body Her Rules’ sexual liberation Grllll Power shirt. Even anonymouse deserves a better lapdog than you.

  111. White Guy says:

    Ha! White Gay! That’s great, did you spend a whole 2 minutes thinking that up?

    And now your thinking about my ass? And you called me a peacock? – Projecting faggot.

    Tool, so, either a young boomer or old X’er, with grandkids no less. Hum, I’m hoping your an young boomer…

    And if you bought the shirt, sure as shit I ain’t going to buy one.

  112. Her Body Her Rules’ sexual liberation Grllll Power shirt.

    Says the person that had 5 consecutive posts talking about the need for girls to have “self worth”.

  113. Michael says:

    Jason

    But then who ever said it would? The entire argument propagated by overcompensating sissy men consists of setting up a strawman ( this Dang shirt ain’t really gonna protect my girl from a jerk off) and then proceeding to mock the stupidity of the argument that literally only the sissy men themselves are making. Or there is the other strawman, my personal fav because it so elegantly reveals the nature of the sissy man – I can’t have my girl wearing that cuz then I would be honor bound to hafta kill a man, again, in order to fulfill the promise ahh made when mah daughter wore that shirt. And now you know what really bothers anonymouse and his lapdogs about that shirt- they skeerd it will get them into a real fight, with a man, not one of their sisters.

  114. snowdensjacket0x0x0 says:

    “The message is about surrounding your girls with love and regular reminders of their INHERENT self worth. Such a girl is a hard target for the jerks. And since only girls who choose to wear it will wear it, it is also a message from her to the world: ‘I am loved and protected and not easy pickins’.”

    😂😂😂😂

    If only the girls had even more self esteem! What a shirt for a girl to wear as well! It doesn’t say I’m protected it’s a pathetic and empty threat that screams ‘my dad is a weak beta’, that will serve to scare off the nice beta men that make good husbands, and put a target right on the girl for the alpha cads.

    Cause who wants to be married to a girl whose already in a relationship with her “daddy”?

    So much cringe everywhere.

  115. Michael says:

    God is Laughing (mostly at you)

    ‘Says the person that had 5 consecutive posts talking about the need for girls to have “self worth”.’

    And so now the fool is reduced to mocking the notion that girls need a strong sense of self worth to fend of the manipulative jerks who prey on the big girls, the akward, the late bloomers, even the pretty ones with a bad case of ‘hate myself’. You are not man enough to to put aside your own bloated fragile ego nor intelligent enough to fathom what some girls need to epuip them for the losers, the cads, the jerk boys and the users.

  116. When being cucked by your wife just isn’t enough….

  117. And so now the fool is reduced to mocking the notion that girls need a strong sense of self worth to fend of the manipulative jerks who prey on the big girls, the akward, the late bloomers, even the pretty ones with a bad case of ‘hate myself’. You are not man enough to to put aside your own bloated fragile ego nor intelligent enough to fathom what some girls need to epuip them for the losers, the cads, the jerk boys and the users.

    MOAR HYPERGAMY!!! (And projection).

  118. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    This shirt, like those “Rules for Dating My Daughter,” signal that the father has lost control of his wife and daughter. His wife and daughter don’t respect or obey him.

    The dad refuses to put any restrictions on his daughter, because she’ll ignore him, and his lack of authority will be seen by all. So instead he “allows” his daughter to dress slutty, and get tattoos, and curse, and whatever she chooses. By “allowing” her complete freedom, the father can pretend the daughter would obey him, if he ever gave her an order. But he dare not put that to the test.

    Because his daughter will do as she pleases, dad is trying to compensate by ordering the young man not to say “yes” to his slutty daughter.

    The shirt says, “My dad is afraid of me and my mom.”

  119. snowdensjacket0x0x0 says:

    Ah the old if we only man the feminist pumps some more and inflate that unearned self esteem even more than somehow womens vags won’t get to tingling by the bad boys. If only all the nice hardworking betas man those pumps even harder then women would get the tingles for them argument.

    Anyway dude this sorry short screams, “her daddies worried about her”, and basically puts a huge target right on her chest for all the cads. It tells all the nice guys who would make good husbands to stay away. Only a moron, or a pathetic weak cuck, would buy this.

  120. Anonymous Reader says:

    Ok, looking at the posting Dalrock linked to above we find the origin of this T-Shirt. This is a direct quote from Vox Day.

    1. Take a position on high ground somewhere in the middle with clean sight lines of the entire route.
    2. Load a round into your .50 caliber rifle.
    3. Take the lens covers off the scope.
    4. Watch as your little girl walks off to school by herself.

    Apparently this is from some older posting by Vox Day on his site. Then he decided to make a shirt. Then when he got some pushback, he doubled down. I am astounded at the hubris and foolishness.

    It would probably take 500 to 1,000 words to explicate all that is wrong with this fantasy. Maybe later I’ll take the time. Yeah, I know men who sometimes talk like this, but usually only after drinking one beer too many. I used to have customers when I was a bartender who liked to bullshit this way. Nobody took them seriously. Just for a start, I seriously doubt that Vox Day has ever fired a .50 BMG rifle in his life. Most of the poseurs that I’ve heard talk about such things had not.

    More interstingly he then went on:

    There is nothing crazy about a father being protective of his daughters. There is nothing even remotely crazy about a young woman wanting to feel protected by her daddy.

    This is a classic false dichotomy. There is a whole world of options between “do nothing and throw your daughter to the wolves” and “obsessively stalk your child and all around her in an iidiotic, childish and stupid manner likely to get you put in prison”. It’s yet another version of “If you’re not doing it my way, you’re doing it all wrong!” AMOG chest-thumping that happens in the androsphere pretty regularly with some “let’s play soldier!” fantasy role playing on top.

    Next:

    But as it happens, the real target of the message is not men. The t-shirt is actually status-signaling on the part of the daughter, or the wife, when that version of the t-shirt is ready. It is less a warning to young men than it is bragging to other young women that she is valued, that she is loved, and that she is worthy of protection by a man who is strong enough to provide it for her.

    Now I see where the troll “Michael” gets her talking points from. Perhaps Vox Day believes this nonsense to be true, if that is the case then he’s foolish and ignorant in multiple ways. For a start, status-signalling via an empty threat is rather like the virtue-signalling SJW’s do via their empty promises. Empty promises and empty threats only fool the credulous. Men tend to be disgusted by such things, because they are lies. Actual predatory men laugh at empty threats. I repeat, actual predatory men laugh at empty threats such as this. Because fake is fake. It’s like trying to pass off spray-painted lead bars as “gold”, or a cubic zirconia as a diamond.

    Futhermore, Vox Day lives in a country where it is difficult to impossible for him to own any firearm in a military caliber. He could never actually carry out this empty braggadocio in his real life. I live in a place where men really do own .50 BMG rifles, where open carry of firearms is legal, and therefore where some reallly stupid man could attempt to do such an astoundingly stupid thing. Perhaps that is why I find this “modest proposal” to be so foolish, ignorant and downright stupid.

    Back in the 90’s I lived in a rental right next to a grade school. If I had ever seen a man with a rifle in a hide overlooking the children walking to school, I would have called my friend on the county SWAT team for a start. But only for a start. Because I took my obligations to my neighbors seriously, and I still do. Cartoon Carnival Commandos don’t impress me.

    I doubt I shall see one of these shirts. If I ever see one in a mall or other public place, I’ll look for the fat Beta who is most likely to be “Daddy”, probably trailing behind the fat daughter and her obese mother. If I ever see one in my neighborhood, then I’ll be looking up “Daddy” for a little conversation about the real world…

  121. Michael says:

    Snowdensjacketxoxoxo

    “If only the girls had even more self esteem! What a shirt for a girl to wear as well! It doesn’t say I’m protected it’s a pathetic and empty threat that screams ‘my dad is a weak beta’, that will serve to scare off the nice beta men that make good husbands, and put a target right on the girl for the alpha cads.

    Cause who wants to be married to a girl whose already in a relationship with her “daddy”?

    So much cringe everywhere.”

    Only sissies are threatened by the shirt. Normal boys will understand that it means this girl is loved, and knows it. Pussies need not apply.

    Now as to your implication that girls have TOO MUCH self-esteem? I won’t mock you since you post was serious, misguided but serious. There is a difference between self-esteem and the sugary grill power black power gay power sap that is cooked by harveywood and the educrats. One is internal, lasting, and calibrated on real characteristics such as compassion, beauty, intelligence, and real accomplishments such as academic or athletic achievement. The former is empty and hollow and is typically based on identity alone I.e. you are worthwhile because you are black, or a girl, or a black lesbian girl. Those aren’t accomplishments nor are they characteristics which have any value in themselves. Yeah you are a girl, so what? But: I am a smart girl, or a pretty girl, or a kind and generous girl and I can afford to act like a lady while my friends compete in the slutstakes pageant and wait for a man who wants a virtuous girl rather than a slut. That’s the real deal self-esteem, with consequences of the good variety for those young ladies who have it. OTOH why in the world should the girl whose smothered in Harveywood grill power NOT compete with her friends in the slut-a-thon? She doesn’t have to act like a lady to build self-esteem, she was injected with the phony 24 hour fake esteem yesterday in grrr power class. She can be a slut, so what she’s still a grrrrrrrl! What the Left calls self esteem is just a license to give people with crappy values and behavior an excuse to feel good about themselves.

    So you see Jason, there is a difference between self-esteem and the identity based lies that the Left has mis-named self-esteem.

  122. Anonymous Reader says:

    “Michael” a troll
    Anonymouse

    “I bet you are not really in South Texas, either.”

    You are welcome to come find out.

    Dearie, I really don’t care. Your text style resembled an infamous aging feminist troll, but if it turns out that you’re some sort of immature, femized, fan-boi from Vox Day’s site I still don’t care. Because you are just dumb, and foolish on top of that. Your feeble attempt at a cover story is gone now, so you are reduced to being merely an object of scorn and derison. Whatever your intention was, it has failed.

    Run along now, men are discussing a serious topic. This is no place for you, whatever “gender” you may self-identify as today.

  123. Sometimes I have the strong suspicion that Vox trolls his audience to test their loyalty.

  124. Anonymous Reader says:

    Red Pill Latecomer
    The shirt says, “My dad is afraid of me and my mom.”

    The shirt says “My Daddy is stupid”. There should be a matching one for him, “I’m Proud To Be Stupid!”

  125. Anonymous Reader says:

    “Michael” a troll
    BTW Anonymouse you never answered my question, have you actually ever even been in a real fight, not counting against girls?

    Dearie, I don’t have to answer questions from a brainless girl-troll. How many abortions have you had? Did your Daddy pay for all of them, or just some of them?

  126. Michael says:

    Anonymouse whose never had a fight in his life
    “Back in the 90’s I lived in a rental right next to a grade school. If I had ever seen a man with a rifle in a hide overlooking the children walking to school, I would have called my friend on the county SWAT team for a start. But only for a start. Because I took my obligations to my neighbors seriously, and I still do. ”

    The war story, and a darn good one too! It establishes the authors own fantasy ‘masculine’ credentials by issuing vacuous boasts that the super soldier poseur knows he will never have to back up.

    But we’re not done, no the big ending delivered with as much gravitas as big sis can muster follows to surely sell the narrative the super sister soldier I selling here, his own badassery, which has been what all of his posts have been about.

    Wait for it.

    Wait…

    Wait…

    Here it is…

    “Cartoon Carnival Commandos don’t impress me.”

    The lack of self-awareness in that is not comprehensible by a normal man.

  127. Anonymous Reader says:

    “Michael”, a troll
    The war story, and a darn good one too!

    Dearie, there is a difference between an hypothetical and a war story. But that is too complicated for you to understand, so you should stop trying. Could you arrange for more competent trolls to drop by? You just don’t qualify as anything more than a momentary diversion.

    Now, tell us how many abortions you’ve had and whether your Daddy paid for all of them or not. Come on, out with it!

  128. Gunner Q says:

    “Only sissies are threatened by the shirt.”

    And Steady Eddie who’s been the target of so many threatpoints that he can’t shrug off “I was only joking about shooting you for being attracted to my daughter”.

  129. “Only sissies are threatened by the shirt.”

    Sh!t test hypothesis affirmed.

  130. Ray Manta says:

    Michael says:
    Now as to your implication that girls have TOO MUCH self-esteem?

    Yes, as a rule they do. Women’s hypergamous nature gives them a natural tendency toward vanity.
    Innate male protectiveness and an affluent culture have also aggravated this disconnect from reality.

    There is a difference between self-esteem and the sugary grill power black power gay power sap that is cooked by harveywood and the educrats.

    IIf there is, it’s almost certainly lost on a young female mind who vacuums up Disney movies and reality TV infodirt like it’s Haagen-Dazs. Modern media feeds into you-go-girlism and special snowflake entitlement in one big, undifferentiated shit stew, and so does Vox Day’s lame shirt. If his
    target market is cucked-out fathers who can’t control their daughters and so posture to other men to compensate, I guess he has a winner.

  131. Oscar says:

    Well, this comment thread wend downhill quickly.

    @ God is Laughing says:
    December 7, 2017 at 1:38 pm

    “Sometimes I have the strong suspicion that Vox trolls his audience to test their loyalty.”

    So, Vox shit tests his audience? Like a chick?

  132. So, Vox shit tests his audience? Like a chick?

    Is that what I wrote?

    If you don’t think Vox trolls I think we’re done here.

  133. Oscar says:

    @ God is Laughing says:
    December 7, 2017 at 2:38 pm

    “Is that what I wrote?”

    No, but isn’t it functionally the same thing?

  134. @Oscar, I have no beef with you, and it’s not functionally the same thing. I’ve been following him for a long time and he has said himself that he is not “emotionally incontinent”, which I take to mean that he obscures his motives. I don’t think he is motivated by the loyalty of his readership and he doesn’t get any type of validation that way. This would be in contrast to a girl sh!t testing to maximize their hypergamy and fuel up the validation tank.

    On the other hand I think that he is attempting to mold his following into a certain paradigm and he uses whatever tools a “Dark Lord” has at hand. Yes, I think trolling his audience and selectively holding people up for derision is the same kind of thing you see in cult leadership, a fact that I’m sure the “Dark Lord” is aware of. These are things I suspect. Your mileage may vary.

  135. Gunner Q says:

    God is Laughing @ 3:00 pm:
    “Yes, I think trolling his audience and selectively holding people up for derision is the same kind of thing you see in cult leadership, a fact that I’m sure the “Dark Lord” is aware of.”

    I think VD doesn’t have enough hours in the day to play such games. He has a lot of irons in the fire.

    The “Dark Lord” thing is mostly a joke. Alphas always have their groupies; it’s normal SMV ecology, if there’s such a thing. Alphas get obvious boosts from having followers who then share in his high valuation. It’s not a one-sided thing like a cult.

    His methods aren’t our methods but he’s still a Christian brother. I buy most of my books from Castalia House now because I can trust him to not produce the necrophiliac bestial sodomy that has become the industry standard.

  136. Michael says:

    red pill Latecomer
    “This shirt, like those “Rules for Dating My Daughter,” signal that the father has lost control of his wife and daughter. His wife and daughter don’t respect or obey him.

    The dad refuses to put any restrictions on his daughter, because she’ll ignore him, and his lack of authority will be seen by all. So instead he “allows” his daughter to dress slutty, and get tattoos, and curse, and whatever she chooses. By “allowing” her complete freedom, the father can pretend the daughter would obey him, if he ever gave her an order. But he dare not put that to the test.

    Because his daughter will do as she pleases, dad is trying to compensate by ordering the young man not to say “yes” to his slutty daughter.

    The shirt says, “My dad is afraid of me and my mom.”

    I am new to this site and I am not familiar with the ‘rules for dating my daughter’. is it something worn or posted by the daughter, or her dad?

  137. The “Dark Lord” thing is mostly a joke

    Yes, I get that. It’s tongue in cheek. I’ve learned a lot from the man and am appreciative. He also identifies as a “Sigma”. Most of the “games” are shorthand precisely for dealing with how many irons he has in the fire.

    When someone criticizes his shirt he responds according to that shorthand. He missed the parts about humility and correction in the Bible.

    Some of the shorthand positions are good when held in check by sound doctrine.

  138. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    “Rules for Dating My Daughter” is a list of rules for suitors, written by a father. It’s been circulating on the internet for maybe 20 years. It’s been discussed on this site.

    I googled it and found it here: http://www.countryhumor.com/sexes/datingrules.htm

    It’s similar to the “Rules for Dating a Drill Instructor’s Daughter,+ currently being discussedon Dalrock: https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2017/12/07/cartoonish-chivalry-drill-instructor-edition/

  139. Boxer says:

    Isn’t Vox Day the same guy who threatened to sue everyone over on gab dot ai, up to and including Andrew Torba, because they wouldn’t ban some doofus who made fun of him?

    Andrew Anglin is such a dork that even I don’t take him seriously; but, he shouldn’t be silenced, and filing frivolous lawsuits in the attempt is something that only a true “ALPHA MALE” would do, amirite folks?

  140. seventiesjason says:

    I have never fired, owned or used the weapon mentioned.

    I have been a life NRA member since 1992.

    I do know this. If you are going point a weapon at someone you had be ready to kill them. Period. No joking around here. Fortunately I have never been in position. I honestly hope I will never have to be.

    Even an “unloaded” weapon. You never point it a petson. I was in a play in college and my character had to point a shotgun at another character. I wouldn’t do it unless the hammer and assembly was removed (I removed it).

    Empty words on a shirt in pinky femme colors is hipster ironic and its foolish to people who take the rights we have concerning this.

  141. Anonymous Reader says:

    “Michael”, a troll
    I am new to this site and I am not familiar with the ‘rules for dating my daughter’. is it something worn or posted by the daughter, or her dad?

    Dearie, it’s too late for the little school girl troll act when you have already blown your cover.

    How many abortions have you had, and did your Daddy pay for all of them or just some?

  142. seventiesjason says:

    Agree with Anon.

    When I bartended…..every guy was nailing “nines” and “tens”. Every guy had a monster sized penis. Made more money, done more than you and had Egos the size of God.

    In my barbershop there is sign on the wall that says: there has been more fish caught, more money made, and more women bedded in this room than in any other in the whole State of California

  143. Michael says:

    Red Pill Latecomer
    Thanks for the link. the list is kinda funny. But I read some of the comments and they were even funnier. Apparently there are actually some people who dont get that ‘The List” is a joke. Now thats funny!

  144. Apparently there are actually some people who dont get that ‘The List” is a joke. Now thats funny!

    Making fun of cartoonish secret king fathers? Oh….hahaha lulz

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  146. Darwinian Arminian says:

    @Michael
    Strutting peacocks with balloon sized egos so absurdly fragile that they are unable to cease their faux, bath house leathered-up mathculinity fantasizing long enough to consider the girls that they miraculously conceived in a rare moment of genuine masculinity ain’t my kinda ‘men’.

    “Bath house leathered-up mathculinity.” Leathered up in a bath house? I’d always thought that a bath house was the kind of place that you went to get naked — but then again I’m not exactly a customer either. Perhaps Michael has a better understanding of what they’re like after his many years of experience and observation . . . .

  147. Harvey Wool says:

    One of my biggest problems with this cartoon chivalry (and yes, I do think Vox’s shirt is just that), is that I have sons, as well as daughters. If my son showed up to pick up a girl for a date, and the father acted like he was going to bring physical harm to my son (assuming my son had not physically harmed the girl), then (a) my son would no longer be dating that girl, and (b) that father would need to answer to me for threatening my son.

    How do you want your SONS treated by other men? Do you want them to be berated by some girl’s dad, or for the dad to make a big show about giving his daughter this shirt, *wink wink* don’t try anything with my daughter! (or what, are you really hoping he will worry that you will SHOOT him?) Or would you rather that your sons be treated with respect and feel safe, because you have brought them up to be Christian men, worthy of that respect?

  148. Gunner Q says:

    Wow, Vox Day doubled down. Maybe GIL is right about his motivations. VD is awfully quick on the “you’re a Gamma” trigger lately.

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/12/trigger-time-part-2.html

  149. Anonymous Reader says:

    That’s not doubling down, didn’t he say he was going to offer this design yesterday? It’s not complicated. Change one word, extend the print-on-demand option, it’s an easy extension. Of course it’s a lie, just like the other “mah Daddy” shirt is a lie, but there’s no shortage of Blue Pill / no-glasses Betas who pedestalize the women of the family. PT Barnum was right.

    Maybe the next iteration could extend the lie down to babies: print on onesy / twosy garments.
    Then offer it on thongs? Perfect for the regular Girls Night Out…

  150. The Question says:

    The biblical equivalent of this message might have been “That arrow pointed at you as I bathe naked on top of my roof where the King of Israel can see me means my husband is watching you.”

  151. Opus says:

    I have come to the conclusion that Michael must with all that school-ma’am-ish hectoring be Michelle.

  152. He IS doubling down. He’s challenging red-pill “orthodoxy” because that’s what personality personality cults do. He does the push-pull with EVERYTHING. If your opinions don’t line up or you don’t sit down and shut up you’ll be labeled a heretic (gamma, sperg, SJW). There is nothing new under the sun. Loyalty testing isn’t original.

    He also made a special exception for Texans today although he also stated that he thinks they’re bigger “pussies” than Californians. Any question it’s a troll?

  153. My position is untenable. Vox can’t be talking just about pre-teen girls when he specifically says that teenage girls should wear it. I recant.

  154. lckychrmsrr says:

    I’ve been reading Vox for 8 or 9 years now and he occasionally goes off the rails like this. Not everything he says is a golden blessing descended from the heavens. So read and adjust accordingly. When he’s right about something, he tends to be right in spades. When he’s wrong, he tends to go way off the rails.

  155. ys says:

    Seems like a disagreement between two titans of the manosphere, Dalrock and Vox. Let’s hope the Megapowers don’t explode.

  156. Anonymous Reader says:

    Question
    The biblical equivalent of this message might have been “That arrow pointed at you as I bathe naked on top of my roof where the King of Israel can see me means my husband is watching you.”

    Aaaaah…no. Bathsheba was letting her hypergamy off of the leash, actively working to trade up, but with a whiff of the usual female “plausible deniability”. That “bathing where she can be seen but only from the palace wall” is too obviously “monkey-branching” with a fig leaf of ambiguity.

    This shirt is not that. Although I can see where some middle aged, past-their-prime “Used to be an 8, now she’s a 6” women might try to make it work that way. But that’s not the intention.

  157. lckychrmsrr says:

    Bathsheba was letting her hypergamy off of the leash, actively working to trade up

    That’s reading a little too much into it:

    2 One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, 3 and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, “She is Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite.” 4 Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her. (Now she was purifying herself from her monthly uncleanness.) Then she went back home. 5 The woman conceived and sent word to David, saying, “I am pregnant.”

    Motivations for Bathsheba’s behavior aren’t mentioned. Neither is the indication that the place of bathing was specifically selected for it’s view-ability. You might also conclude that since she was doing at night (sleeping time for pretty much everyone), she was actively trying to bath in the least noticeable way possible. But that would also be making conclusions without evidence.

  158. Anonymous Reader says:

    Jeremy VanGelder
    My position is untenable. Vox can’t be talking just about pre-teen girls when he specifically says that teenage girls should wear it. I recant.

    It is commendable that you returned to say that. “I was wrong” are among the rarest words in the world and even moreso on the Internet. Yet a man cannot be fully a man if he never owns his mistakes.

    Well done.

  159. You read that thread AR? It’s not “gamma”, blue-pill, white knighting, trolling…WHEN WE DO IT.

  160. Scott says:

    Harvey Wool-

    How do you want your SONS treated by other men? Do you want them to be berated by some girl’s dad, or for the dad to make a big show about giving his daughter this shirt, *wink wink* don’t try anything with my daughter! (or what, are you really hoping he will worry that you will SHOOT him?) Or would you rather that your sons be treated with respect and feel safe, because you have brought them up to be Christian men, worthy of that respect?

    This is precisely (one of) the reasons I started doinng the American Blog (in the beginning, anyway).

    Those of us dads who have both sons and daughters (and who have red-pilled) MUST be thinking about this somewhere in the backs of our minds.

    My plan is to raise my boys to at least consider engaging with dads in this manner. Making eye contact. Stepping right up to them, toe to toe and extending a hand to shake and be bold about intentions. Not cocky, not an a-hole, but sincere. I am raising my daughters (one on the way) to be the counterpart to this. I am not a cartoon, and my approach to offering guidance and protection to my kids cannot be reduced to a t-shirt.

    Its a discussion worth having, but this is silly.

  161. Scott says:

    Correction, American Dad Blog.

  162. Scott says:

    My point is, any boy/young man who is wiling to approach me, face to face and say “Dr Klajic, I kind of like your daughter, and I get the feeling she likes me. I don’t want to go any further without introducing myself to you and the Mrs first, so you can know what I am all about. Any chance I could spend some time with her to see where this goes?” Is going to get a fair shake from me. No stupid cartoon strutting crap.

  163. Anonymous Reader says:

    GIL
    You read that thread AR?

    Why would I want to do that? I spend too much time in various parts of the androsphere as it is.

    Scott
    I am not a cartoon, and my approach to offering guidance and protection to my kids cannot be reduced to a t-shirt.

    Succinct. Well said, Scott.

    Hope things are going well for you and yours after the move. Got much snow yet?

  164. Why would I want to do that? I spend too much time in various parts of the androsphere as it is.

    A point I need to take to heart. A lot of toxic garbage.

  165. Scott says:

    AR-

    We are still in Texas. This is our interim house. We moved from the San Antonio area back to the Fort Hood area, for my last 20 months. Montana is summer, 2019.

    By the way, anyone local who wants to actually come out and see us can check this out:

    https://ljubomirfarms.wordpress.com/2017/11/30/mikey-and-me-line-ready-for-sale-but-only-at-christmas-on-main/

    The event is tomorrow.

  166. Blume says:

    If you are scared of words printed on a t-shirt you are bigger pussies than Californians. Anyone that says this shirt will scare off potential good husbands for their daughter is admitting that this shirt would have scared them off. And thank god it scared you off or what would you do when you had to protect my daughter or grandchildren from a real threat. Next point, who really cares if it doesn’t scare off alphas and puas? You would have to be an idiot to think it would. No one buying this shirt thinks it has magic powers. Its all status signalling and in-group joking. And I am from Texas and have no idea what Dalrock is talking about. Enforced promiscuity? All sexual encounters not rape are already on the daughters terms. Either you raised a hoe or you didn’t.

  167. Charles says:

    Blume: it sucks royal wang to have a pastor come around and rebuke you – as an adult, self supporting single man with a functional life with Go and a prayer life — for fellowshipping in Holiness with a single woman (i.e. a date) because they worship Joshua Harris. Because dating isn’t in the bible, or something.

  168. Charles says:

    “with God”

  169. If you are scared of words printed on a t-shirt you are bigger pussies than Californians.

    Scared? The LARP is strong in this one.

  170. seventiesjason says:

    Blume.

    As a Californian, I’ve been to San Antonio and Dallas. Plenty of skinny jeans, Allen Ginsberg glasses and limp noodles there too. Many of these folks sit in church.

    California still is a great place. This is the home of Reagan, Nixon and Hoover.

    Orange County is still one of the most conservative areas in the USA. I climbed Mt Whitney…the tallest point in the Lower 48……

    I know Californians and Texans dog each other over pilitics but cut it out. LBJ the whole nation is still paying for 🙂

  171. Scott says:

    Scared? The LARP is strong in this one.

    Heh.

  172. earlthomas786 says:

    If you are scared of words printed on a t-shirt you are bigger pussies than Californians.

    Scared? We’re laughing at the dads who are projecting this tough guy image.

  173. Mark Driscoll is watching you.

  174. Anonymous Reader says:

    “Blume”
    If you are scared of words printed on a t-shirt you are bigger pussies than Californians.

    Are you “Michael” with a different name, or her replacement? Did you frivorce your husband for cash and prizes or are you saving that for later? Have you told any obese girls how special they are in order to increase their self-esteem lately? How many abortions have you nad? Did your Daddy pay for them? Please stick around we have so much to discuss!

    No one buying this shirt thinks it has magic powers. Its all status signalling and in-group joking.

    Plus lying. Don’t forget the empty-threat lying. You see, Dearie, there is no carbine with a co-incidental laser aimed in on anyone. That’s all bullshit. The words on either shirt version (“Daddy” or “Husband”) are not true. They constitute a fake threat. The girl of any age wearing it knows they are not true. She is parading around a known falsehood, pretending it is true.

    Therefore the shirt lies. So does she, and so does her husband…

    What lies have you told lately, Blume? Maybe you lied to your husband about who what you really did on your last Girls Night Out? Hmm?

    Looking forward to more quality time with you, dearie. Don’t run away in panic.

  175. Anonymous Reader says:

    “Blume”
    All sexual encounters not rape are already on the daughters terms.

    Especially after marriage. RIght, “Blume”?

  176. Gunner Q says:

    Scott @ 3:26 pm:
    “My point is, any boy/young man who is wiling to approach me… Is going to get a fair shake from me. No stupid cartoon strutting crap.”

    Exactly how things should be. Your daughters will marry better than Vox’s daughters.

    Blume @ 4:06 pm:
    “Its all status signalling and in-group joking”

    https://i2.wp.com/gunnerqcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/houstongamma.jpg?ssl=1&w=450

  177. Gunner Q says:

    Nuts, the meme didn’t embed. I’m still new at posting pics.

  178. Scott says:

    AR-

    My first thought was “oh my gosh a random anonymous stranger on the internet called me a pussy! I’m shitting my pants. What should I do?”

    But then I remembered I’m just sone guy trying to figure out how to help my kids — both and boys and girls— figure out how to navigate this sexual dystopia and my panic subsided.

    The problem with the t-shirt is precisely as you stated. It’s not scary at all because it’s false. No boys/young men will be shot in this experinent.

    So I choose to try and be more objective about it. It’s my mission in life to not scare away the younger version of myself, who was a well intentioned idiot.

  179. ys says:

    Also plus one to pretty much everything God is Laughing said.

  180. Anonymous Reader says:

    Scott
    It’s my mission in life to not scare away the younger version of myself, who was a well intentioned idiot.

    It continues to amaze me how most men don’t seem to really remember what it was like to be a teenager / college aged man. They just don’t.

    The other thing that I do get: most men over 40 have zero clue what it’s like in the K – 12 system now, where masculinity of almost any kind is smacked down and the girls are puffed & fluffed beyond belief. Insert oblgatory C.S. Lewis quote about “geldings” and “chestless” here.

  181. earlthomas786 says:

    Especially after marriage. RIght, “Blume”?

    I didn’t see anything about marriage there. But then again that’s why the question was raised.

    Besides what if special snowflake goes ‘yes’ into an escapade and then decides it should of been ‘no’ after the regret sets in. Is it rape then, Blume?

  182. The other thing that I do get: most men over 40 have zero clue what it’s like in the K – 12 system now, where masculinity of almost any kind is smacked down and the girls are puffed & fluffed beyond belief. Insert oblgatory C.S. Lewis quote about “geldings” and “chestless” here.

    After reading Vox extensively I think he’s delusional as he is counting on the five (5) remaining pure Anglo-Saxon heritage American men with a Sociosexual status of Alpha/Sigma and an IQ above “midwit” (ie S.D. 1.5) or higher to rebuild civilization after his projected collapse in 2033. Call me a defeatist.

    The shirt has finally convinced me of the level of LARP parade going on over there. It’s not dealing with any of the realities on the ground.

  183. PokeSalad says:

    Either you raised a hoe or you didn’t.

    Ha HA! The ‘AMOG Daddy’ appears! *chuckles*

  184. Anonymous Reader says:

    lckychrmsrr
    That’s reading a little too much into it:

    I went around the track on this point on this site a few years back. Not really interested in repeating. We’ll just have to disagree, if you really believe that a woman “accidentally” revealed her nakedness to the most important man in town, that’s fine.

    With a clean pair of The Glasses on tinged Red, that brings me back to

    The Question:
    The biblical equivalent of this message might have been “That arrow pointed at you as I bathe naked on top of my roof where the King of Israel can see me means my husband is watching you.”

    I admit I missed the point first time. But AWALT. Further discussion this probably would be better at Rollo’s…

  185. Rollory says:

    “The shirt has finally convinced me of the level of LARP parade going on over there. It’s not dealing with any of the realities on the ground.”

    Thank you.

    I saw a few comments of this sort in the threads at Vox’s place – enough to convince me I hadn’t wasted my time – although mostly drowned out by the “LOLOLOL THE SHIRT/TRAIN IS FINE YER SUCH A PUSSY” echo chamber.

    The echo chamber of course did not even realize there was an argument being made. Vox might have, but very carefully did not address any aspect of it at all, sticking to ad hominem and namecalling; certainly did not refute it. What he DID do was post a followup piece, about a version of the shirt with “my husband is watching”, complete with comments about how that should be even more bothersome to people who found the daughter version questionable. You can hear the whooshing sound as the whole point of the criticism goes flying by him.

    It should be noted, though, that this implies he sees the husband/wife relationship and the father/daughter relationship as fairly equivalent.

    I don’t think there’s anything I can add to that.

  186. Rollory, I’m coming to the increasing awareness that THE singular most “gamma” thing I’ve done in the last year was bother commenting in a Vox venue. I have spent a few days doing the self assessment and have determined that all indicators are that I’m not a “secret king” and that I am treated with respect by my family and co-workers befitting my actual status. Easy solution is not to participate in a place where your status, your arguments and your point of view are not respected.

    As far as the label, I’ve been called a “racist” an “anti-Semite” a “Nazi” (heretic) and about every other pejorative in the book. Those have all lost their sting as I processed what I actually AM. The ability to ostracize is not the ability to determine who we are. I see no special formulation of the Gospel to remedy the sin of being a “gamma”. It’s another gospel.

  187. brentg says:

    Surprised at the amount of guys wetting their pants about a tee shirt. it’s a fucking tee shirt. Or is it just that voxday is doing it?

    Lots of ‘real men’ being bitchy and snipey in these comments above.

  188. patriarchal landmine says:

    the fathers who would say and do this kind of thing are billy bob thornton.

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