How you’ll learn to love Big Brother.

Vox Day has a brutal but compelling excerpt from SJWs Always Double Down.  If reading it doesn’t evoke at least two gin-scented tears and a desire to buy the book, then you my friend have a heart of stone.

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124 Responses to How you’ll learn to love Big Brother.

  1. God article, but no programmer or IT guy worth his salt is terrified of losing his job. Most have recruiters hitting on them. And I would have long since found a different job in that work environment.

  2. BillyS says:

    Having recruiters hitting you and getting a job are two different things.

  3. Frank K says:

    Having recruiters hitting you and getting a job are two different things.

    Oh yes. I’m constantly being barraged by recruiters. Hiring managers wants are something completely different than what the recruiter advertises, with the bar raised rather high. Sure, you’ll eventually get an offer, but you’ll have to work for it, unless you have some particular skill that is in hot demand at the moment (don’t wait too long, soon a million other programmers will have that new hot skill, and it wont be hot anymore).

    And then there is ageism. When you get interviewed by a team of young hipster “brogrammers” you know there won’t be an offer unless you can walk on water, and even then you’ll get a rejection email saying with a baloney reason. My favorite one was that “they wanted someone more junior and hands on”. I guess they thought I was too old to be a code monkey. I guess I shouldn’t have mentioned peer code reviews and writing unit tests with good coverage, because that just slows things down, right?

  4. Gunner Q says:

    I dunno, Chris, the Soviet Union got a lot of mileage out of its Commissariat.

    Besides, that whole “pulling up stakes and moving to a new job across town” gets really old about the time you hit 35. As a kid, I never imagined my future would be living in a trailer because I kept getting fired for telling Lesbo-Barbie to go peg herself.

    Knowing how to navigate spineless bosses and entrenched wickedness is a life skill.

  5. Frank K says:

    Many years ago my entire department at Hewlett Packard, including the women, were forced to attend one of those all day diversity sessions.

    When the presenter dropped the canard that 10% of the population was homosexual, she was called out on it, by one of my very liberal coworkers, who told her that she did a disservice to the progressive cause by using disproven stats. She didn’t know how to respond to that.

    So we spent the rest of the day watching videos telling us that were racists, homophobes, etc. A total waste of time done to cover the company’s butt. I think she did spend about 2 minutes saying it was wrong to discriminate against Christians.

  6. Frank K says:

    Besides, that whole “pulling up stakes and moving to a new job across town” gets really old about the time you hit 35.

    And it gets worse with every year after that. It’s why there are so many hangers on at larger companies. I know my share of brilliant engineers, who can design OS kernels, who have a hard time getting a new job because they’ve never worked with RESTful APIs.

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  8. pavetack says:

    On a side note, JudgyB* on competing with sluts:
    Sucks, doesn’t it? Food, clean clothes, tidy room, sex and a shoulder to lean on. Yep, it’s really that simple.

    That’s how you compete with sluts. Be a wife. Be a woman. Look at the man, and care about him deeply. Don’t create a scorecard. Don’t keep tally about who brought coffee to whom. Let the balance swing in his favour dramatically.

    What will you get in return? Oh, just a husband. A man who loves you completely. Loyalty, protection, honesty, reliability, dependability. A rock who will weather any storm for you. Who lives for you. As long as you live for him.
    https://judgybitch.wordpress.com/tag/doing-laundry/

    Reminds me of a certain blogger noting that “Feminists are ugly because they are miserly with love.”
    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2014/01/01/feminists-are-ugly/

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  10. Spike says:

    Know it, because I’ve seen it, been in it, and lived through it.
    Two things: 1. if you are an independent and/or original thinker, this is going to happen to you.
    2.If you are at all a sensitive person, you are either going to have to harden up parts of your personality, or else you will go into a downward spiral of depression.

  11. mgtowhorseman says:

    Thank god my feminist boss actually did this to me. She fired me so I threatened to call the papers. Got a nice seperation package. Now the govt is paying me to go back to school to be a tradesman.
    I went from 100k a year to 40k as a hammer swinger. But with the kids gone and downsizing, its worth it.

    I will never work for a female again.

    And look at the demographics. They are dying for trades asnd techs now. When the boomers retire it will be worse. If you can do anything real (stem, trades, it, finance) then you will be in demand.
    Boeing alone needs 40,000 millrights today. Companies who pull this crap will see their workers say um no and walk. Leaving just the SJW paperpushers to keep things afloat.

    A reversal is coming slowly. They need us more than we need them.
    Just be patient my brothers.

  12. Jew613 says:

    Mgtowhorseman, I am aware they are unpopular in many quarters but instead of going to a trade school try joining one of the construction unions. They are desperate for new members and you get paid while you learn.

  13. Vasilli says:

    No heart of stone – wuz on my audiobook wishlist already. Now you got me curious…

  14. They Call Me Tom says:

    All I want to know is, will the SJW’s be wearing their pussy hats for Weinstein this weekend? Will they be marching in Los Angeles and San Francisco this weekend?

  15. Oscar says:

    Hey, look! It’s two feminists – both married to sex predators – hanging out with a sex predator!

    No wonder feminists think all men are sex predators. They surround themselves with sex predators!

  16. Mark says:

    @Mgtowhorseman

    “”Now the govt is paying me to go back to school to be a tradesman.””……………Let me guess…Loyalist College?

    “”I will never work for a female again.””

    I have said this here many times….”I do not hire women”……and I never will. Realtors,traders,brokers,attorneys etc…..all MEN! Even the receptionist that I have now is a 27 year old guy.He does a better job than any woman that I could have hired….and I pay him more money! We have women that work in the Family Office,but,all in a clerical capacity.There are no women that make business decisions on behalf of the companies….nor will there ever be.Everybody that is hired by us has to sign a “confidentiality agreement”. This is standard procedure.We do not let women into the “higher ranks” for a number of reasons.The most obvious is because they cannot keep their f*****g mouths shut!

    Also,your handle “MGTOW”….I understood that you were married? How does that work?

  17. Mark

    Actually second careers lets me go anywhere, so Himark in Toronto. The important thing is learning the skill not the name of the school, hence tradesman. If I can fix the plumbing or hang a door well then I can work for myself and not put up with things I dont want to. I am lucky in that through a life of frugality I have enough cushion to be able to choose rather than take what I can get.

    I tell my kids of both sexes, happiness is not money or blah blah, its the power to be able to say no and walk away, to never “have to” do anything. Being a sole operator or having a skill in demand does that (and several months rent money helps). Ever see a unhappy barber? Not a stylist, a real barber? Cause they work in their shop to clients they want. (Oh but you cant not serve women! Yeah put up bike posters and hunting magazines and the women will self select out.)

    Thats the other thing. You cannot fight sjws who own the system. So make them self select to get out of your way. How? Not by insulting them or feeding their ire, by ignoring them, by saying No, by not giving in to their diversity classes.

    Actual I just celebrated 29 years and she is still here. Like Dalrock I am mgtow in marriage. One of Blooms dinosaurs. Empty nester with two well fledged kids.

    And check out this crap in the Post.
    http://nationalpost.com/health/why-putting-sex-on-your-to-do-list-can-actually-save-your-marriage

  18. And whats wrong with Loyalist, or George Brown, or Durham. If it teaches you to read a blueprint who cares what the name is or who went there.

    P.s. I already have a college degree and a university degree fron U of T from the 80s.

  19. earlthomas786 says:

    No wonder feminists think all men are sex predators. They surround themselves with sex predators!

    It’s almost like birds of a feather….

    Let’s face it…feminists aren’t prudes. They only care about sexual immorality when it hurts their power somehow. I’m sure both enjoyed the money he gave to their husband’s campaigns.

  20. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    This on Drudge. Boy Scouts to admit girls: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/boy-scouts-will-admit-girls-allow-them-earn-eagle-scout-n809836

    The Boy Scouts of America announced Wednesday that girls will soon be allowed to become Cub Scouts and to earn the coveted rank of Eagle Scout, the organization’s highest honor. …

    Earlier this year, the National Organization for Women urged the Boy Scouts to admit girls to the entire program, supporting the efforts of a New York teenager, Sydney Ireland, to attain the rank of Eagle Scout, as her older brother did.

    “I just want to do what the Boy Scouts do — earn the merit badges and earn the Eagle Award,” she told NBC News. “The Girl Scouts is a great organization, but it’s just not the program that I want to be part of. I think girls should just have the opportunity to be a member of any organization they want regardless of gender.”

    However, Girl Scouts will remain all-girl:

    In the past, the Girl Scouts have been cool to the idea of admitting girls into the Boy Scouts, citing research which showed that many girls learn best in an all-female environment.

    “We are unparalleled in our ability to build great female leaders who contribute to society at every level,” said Andrea Bastiani Archibald, a psychologist who helps guide the Girl Scouts.

  21. thedeti says:

    RPL:

    As a boy scout, a Life Scout, and as a current Scouter, this makes me very sad.

    There is nothing just for boys now. Nothing.

  22. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    National Review has sunk so low, it’s now praising a gay romance film: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/452530/call-me-your-name-oscar-winner-early-favorite

    … a charming gay romance … the simple, sweet romance Call Me by Your Name. The irresistible element of the film, which hits theaters November 24, is that it’s a gay love story. … serene and joyful … Gay marriage is of course unmentioned, but audiences will not miss the point that everyone is better off if people are free to be gay without fear of obloquy.

  23. Mark says:

    @MGTOW

    “”And whats wrong with Loyalist, or George Brown, or Durham.””

    I never said there was.I just assumed that was where you were attending due to your proximity to the school.You went to U of T in the 80’s also? You were there when I was there.Cool! The University has changed believe me.We have a seat on the Business Faculty and contribute every year to the school.I am not impressed with the Faculty Members…..WAY TOO LIBERAL for me! In fact,most of their political leanings are geared towards the NDP?….wtf? I saw that article in the Post.I agree a bit of nonsense.More like something that you would read in the TO Star! I know where Himark is.I have heard god things about them.Good luck in your courses I am sure you will do well.

  24. Oscar says:

    RE: Boy Scouts

    There are alternatives.

    http://www.traillifeusa.com/

    https://www.alertacademy.com/

    Also…

  25. Anonymous Reader says:

    @RPL
    Just another day in the matriarchy. Boys and men cannot be allowed to have their own spaces, but girls and women must have their own turf. There are other organizations for young men such as the Royal Rangers; that group is a subsidary of a particular church denomination, though.

    There is a lesson here: letting women become Scoutmasters pretty much guaranteed that Girl Boy Scouts would exist someday. The easiet time to say “no” is to the first demand.

    Cynically I suspect that the lesbians who infiltrated the Girl Scouts back in the 1990’s just do not want male competition in their “club house”.

  26. thedeti says:

    Anon Reader:

    Cynically I suspect that the lesbians who infiltrated the Girl Scouts back in the 1990’s just do not want male competition in their “club house”.

    Yes, but there’s more to it. GSUSA’s program sucks. National office is a mess. National policies are a mess. Enrollment is down. Plus, girls don’t want to do the GS program. They don’t want to advance and earn the Gold Award (the GSUSA version of the Eagle Scout). it’s too easy to earn the Gold Award, which has reduced its prestige. It’s all social justice warrior-y, and even the prefeminist girls don’t like it.

  27. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    it’s too easy to earn the Gold Award, which has reduced its prestige. It’s all social justice warrior-y, and even the prefeminist girls don’t like it.

    Once girls enter the Boy Scouts, it’ll become easy to earn the Eagle Scout as well. You can’t make it too hard so that girls can’t attain it. If even one girl who wants to be an Eagle Scout can’t get it, then the standard is too high. Every girl has a right to be an Eagle Scout.

  28. Anonymous Reader says:

    Deti
    Yes, but there’s more to it. GSUSA’s program sucks. National office is a mess. National policies are a mess. Enrollment is down.

    Red Pill Latecomer
    Once girls enter the Boy Scouts, it’ll become easy to earn the Eagle Scout as well.

    Yes to both of you. Women tend to ruin organizations, because their innate skill sets don’t work well in those settings. Examples are all around; ask the former shareholders of Yahoo what kind of a job Marissa Meyer did as CEO.

  29. SimonCephas says:

    Boy Scouts now to admit girls to Cub + Eagle Scout programs. Yet another “victory” for Satanic Feminism. I understand the importance of maintaining an unshakable faith in God through Christ, but… I’m not sure how to proceed when it appears that one of the last remaining wholesome American organizations has either been infiltrated, coerced, or compromised itself for worldly purposes. Going to pray for guidance on this one, and in the meantime am holding onto the small sliver of hope that whoever was behind this decision is capable of repentance.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/354944-boy-scouts-to-admit-girls-into-programs

  30. Oscar says:

    Gents,

    If you have a few minutes, check out this excerpt from the Dave Ramsey show, and note the androsphere stereotypes.

  31. Mark says:

    @Anon Reader

    “”Women tend to ruin organizations, because their innate skill sets don’t work well in those settings. Examples are all around; ask the former shareholders of Yahoo what kind of a job Marissa Meyer did as CEO.””

    …..or what Carly Fiorano did to HP……..or what Meg Whitman did to HP…..or what Susan Wong did to Revlon…….or what Ellen Pao did to Reddit…or what Kathleen Wynn did to Ontario…etc…etc. This is one of my trading secrets.When the board elects or appoints a woman as their CEO get ready for the BIG SHORT because you have about a 90% chance that the company’s stock is going to tank and go into the basement.Gotta love making money off a woman’s incompetence,ineptitude,ignorance and pure stupidity!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/28/bundesbank-women-risk-taking_n_1385100.html

  32. Oscar says:

    @ earlthomas786 says:
    October 11, 2017 at 10:45 am

    “It’s almost like birds of a feather…. ”

    You ain’t kidding!

    For those who don’t know, Woody Allen is an adopted-daughter-humping pervert.

  33. Lost Patrol says:

    thedeti,

    There is nothing just for boys now. Nothing.

    Things that young men once enjoyed that helped develop masculine traits in them – that now girls do it too so who cares?:
    – Boy Scouts
    – Wrestling
    – Football
    – The Infantry
    – Never mind. The list is too long.

    Oscar,

    There are alternatives.

    How long do we think those outfits have until infiltration? Surely the effort will be made.

  34. Lost Patrol says:

    @ Oscar

    You ain’t kidding!

    Do they see this at all? Are these people morons, or diabolically ingenious and calculating?

    This used to fall under ‘you can’t make up this stuff’. There is so much of it now the joke has lost all meaning.

  35. earl says:

    @Oscar…

    There’s no doubt in my mind most big wig Hollywood executives like Weinstein try to sample the talent first. They just never get caught because the ladies don’t want to lose out on a career or the guy is so well connected that the payout is enough.

    Once they go down in flames though…look at all the courageous talk these cowardly actor/actress types are.

  36. earl says:

    Really how much high ground can a lot of these Hollywood actresses portray when they are willing to be naked and simulate sex scenes for cinema fame. Sure it’s creepy and immoral when a perv like Weinstein does it to them in the privacy of a hotel room…but it’s somehow feels empowering when you decide to do it on camera with a strange man for the whole world to see.

  37. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Actress Lena Headey (Game of Thrones) bravely fights “period shaming” https://twitter.com/IAMLenaHeadey/status/918049443064221696

    I don’t quite understand “period shame.” I think women now want to be celebrated for having periods. They refuse to be “shamed” by having to hide their periods. Much like they now insist on breast-feeding in public.

    Men understand that one defecates and urinates in private. It’s simple civilized behavior. But I guess woman feel it’s “unfair” for them to keep their bodily secretions private, especially for secretions that men don’t share.

    Truly, it’s men who civilize women. Left unchecked, women will still be living in caves, defecating and bleeding and urinating and breast-feeding wherever they felt like it.

  38. Girlfielf says:

    I just had a though that Christian men have more resources for starting a marriage than secular men who want a “traditional” family. In the early church, Christian marriages were marked with loyalty to one another’s spouses, and they are cycling back to being the same way. Christianity allowed divorce from either spouse if one of them cheated. However, it did not allow divorce if you were married to a non-Christian, just discouraged this.

    It seems like a very blue-pill idea, but what it meant was that more stable females stayed in the Christian community. I imagine that about every secular guy cheated, knowing what I know now about red pill. That game would have been needed to keep a woman, same as now, and married people would have been cheating, same as now. In the Christian community, for a woman to cheat and go her own way would have meant no support network, so she didn’t do it. For a guy to cheat would have meant that he was out of options for Christian wives, but it would really have indicated that he had a secular pattern of marriage, or that he was probably not a Christian. This made a way out for a woman who married a non-Christian who acted like a dud and was not loyal. I don’t think she was allowed to remarry.

    When a guy expressed sexual interest in a woman, they married. That is, sexual interest lead to sex, and there was no awkward 3 year dialogue leading up to it. Christian females were safeguarded, firstly and foremostly, from men of the world. Secondly, flirtation/ machismo was not permitted to be discouraged, but followed-through. Therefore, what a woman knew of sexuality was one Christian man.

    This had a way of filtering-out girls who would bang Chad and take him to church. What if Chad gives you children and then leaves you? Imagine that all of the men in ancient times were red-pilled, and this was not out of the ordinary. So, you can go ahead and get Chad, but if he leaves you, that’s it. You can choose staying in the church with no husband, or trying to get married again/ prostitution in the world. Also, this prevented girls from slutting around the church to get the best deal for their blowjobs. If a girl came onto a guy, he had the right to marry her. Game over.

    Today, many of the challenges a guy faces in making a family are costs with housing and healthcare and a difficult job market. It’s difficult to “provide” for a family. A Christian man has resources to mitigate this. There are health sharing options, for example. There are some decent churches that provide for their members, that will watch out for others in cases of emergency. In this day and age, a smart guy won’t get into college debt or pay it off while he’s ahead. There are housing options if you live in non-urban communities, where the good churches tend to be. You can live in a trailer for a while, and then sell the trailer to make a down-payment on a well-built house. There are trade jobs, and aside from that, even other physical labor jobs that pay relatively well. There are online stores that make a nice supplemental income that a wife can have. Also, living in a slightly more rural community gives you access to farm foods that can be cooked to save money. So, you there are easy ways to reduce what you are spending each month and increase what you are bringing in. This means that you are not a slave to an employer: yes, you can still work for someone, but you can define the terms. No one is holding health or housing or family over you.

    I think we’ll see marriage in the secular world starting to look like Ancient Greece, which will be an improvement. I don’t think it will be out of the ordinary for a man to be married, yet sleep with several women, in order to keep his marriage intact. And again, this will be an improvement from what it is now. However, the days of secular marriages mirroring Christian marriages are over. They’re referred to as “traditional” marriages, but there is nothing traditional about stable secular marriages. They were a treat for a short time.

    Secular marriages will struggle with different things. Dread game creates illegitimate children. Being enslaved to a boss while having a family causes people to act unscrupulously to protect their children. Chasing upper-level careers means going into debt, not having resources to provide, prolonged waiting for sex with a longterm partner, having children with weak genes, due to birthing later, having smaller families, because both spouses need to work and healthcare cost bernankyfication.

    Take advantage of resources now. Take physical jobs that pay decently, which are everywhere (“work with your hands”). Move to a place with a good church. Look at cheap healthcare options. Buy a safe, clean used trailer, then sell it and but a house, when you can afford one. Use the flip phone, instead of the smart phone. There are resources laid out everywhere. Make a nest. You’ll be ready to use game on the right girls, because you’ll be in a good spot to provide, and then you can put all of your focus into meeting someone and using game, instead of being distracted.

    As the world becomes more turbulent for the secular world, you’ll get even more return on your resource investment, because costs will only rise for secular people. They are at the mercy of globalism. The real kicker is how peacocking, which is necessary for socializing, staying with a partner, etc., will become so expensive along with other necessities that there will be a huge class divide. The Christians who are wise and found this part of the internet will do better, even though the church itself is being attacked by lies and other things right now. I think God brings people to the manosphere who He wants to know about what’s going on in the world. You’re persevering through an event right now, not witnessing the end of the church. In other words, enjoy the decline.

  39. Girlfielf says:

    @Oscar

    Those are two people that are going to stay single. Neither of them went after what was important in life. A classic case of Low T (him) and Low E. (her) The leftovers of the genepool don’t necessarily get married, just because they’re the only ones left.

    I think it’s hilarious that he’s 36 and $65k in student loans (somehow, I’ll never know), and THEN gets himself $12k into a car. He has to be one of those guys who wears $300 jeans and button-up shirts and never lifts. Even as a normal girl, I would never do that to myself. I’ve driven crappy, falling apart cars and shopped at Salvation Army for clothing, and I’m a female.

  40. earl says:

    I don’t quite understand “period shame.”

    Granted it’s only speculation on my part…but a lot of this oddball virtue signalling these broads do is to cover up the immorality they do. Just like Weinstein funding a lot of women’s causes.

  41. earl says:

    I understand the importance of maintaining an unshakable faith in God through Christ, but… I’m not sure how to proceed when it appears that one of the last remaining wholesome American organizations has either been infiltrated, coerced, or compromised itself for worldly purposes.

    Don’t lose hope…evil may have its hour but God will have His day.

  42. earl says:

    A good read as to why you shouldn’t lose hope..

    Last Crusade Heretics and Heathens

    The world is firmly in the hands of the Dark Lord. We are behind enemy lines. He rules the modern day and each day seems to be getting stronger.

    The feeling, very common to conservatives, libertarians, and populists alike, of a sense of strangling impotence, the sensation that no one is listening and nothing can change, and the idea that history is a toothed wheel on a ratchet, free to move only in one direction, all these things are nothing more than weapons in the arsenal of the enemy.

    I submit that the feeling is false. We are closer to the overthrow of this generation’s darkness than ever before. The victory is closer than you think. Dire battles are ahead, but the triumph is in sight.

    Compare our current situation, for all its hopelessness, with that of George Washington facing the British Empire, Alfred the Great facing the Norse, or, more to the point, Saint John on the isle of Patmos…..

  43. Girlfielf says:

    @earl – Thanks! That’s the kind of stuff I like to hear!

  44. Girlfielf says:

    @RedPillLatecomer

    Who shames periods? Feminists. Nothing wrong with going into a proverbial cave once a month. There’s actually nothing I’d rather do. Feminists are the ones that want you to work while you’re body is telling you to stop. Most women have PMS. More than a quarter of all women has anemia (compared to 3% of men). Bloodloss + anemia = very low blood levels, should not go to work.

    Women should not be working. Nothing shames women for being women more than feminism. In fact, what most feminists forget is what a period feels like.

  45. Gunner Q says:

    SimonCephas @ 2:39 pm:
    “I’m not sure how to proceed when it appears that one of the last remaining wholesome American organizations has either been infiltrated, coerced, or compromised itself for worldly purposes.”

    This was coming ever since the Boy Scouts allowed homosexuals into their organization. They’re already dead, this is just a symptom.

    I have a post on my blog about how to face the current situation by holding on to what we have. It may inspire you.

    https://gunnerq.com/2017/10/08/thyatira-protocol/

  46. earl says:

    Nothing shames women for being women more than feminism.

    Even the most misogynistic man is nothing compared to a feminist.

  47. Peasant says:

    A couple of things strike me as peculiar about the BSA voting to go coed. The first is that it’s reported the vote was unanimous. The second thing is that there was no urgent pressing story that this happened in reaction to, though supposedly there was some survey they commissioned that implied they could get more members (and more $$$ ?) thusly. Taken together, this tells me that the directors must be totally out-of-touch with the boots on the ground, and/or that they must have been very afraid of something. You’d think there’d be at least one old fogey who’d vote against this sort of malarkey.

    I’m tempted to mail in my Eagle Scout card along with a nastygram. I simply wouldn’t have been a Boy Scout if they had been a coed organization when I was working my way through the ranks. My sons won’t be either when they’re old enough in a couple of years.

  48. Anonymous Reader says:

    A couple of things strike me as peculiar about the BSA voting to go coed. The first is that it’s reported the vote was unanimous.

    That means the board was stacked some years ago, and it was just a matter of time.

    The second thing is that there was no urgent pressing story that this happened in reaction to, though supposedly there was some survey they commissioned that implied they could get more members (and more $$$ ?) thusly.

    Well, today is October 11. It is also
    https://infogalactic.com/info/International_Day_of_the_Girl_Child

    Coincidence? Don’t think so. It’s a little victory dance.

    The survey is surely as rigged as the board. This is Social Justice Warrior convergence in action. The BSA is dead. From now on it’s a zombie, although individual troops in flyover may continue to exist for a while, we can be certain the central organization will bring ever more pressure on “rouge” troops to conform to whatever new insanity they come up with.

    Find other orgs for sons. 4-H, Trailblazers, Royal Rangers, something else. Again, the BSA is dead.

  49. earl says:

    Coincidence? Don’t think so. It’s a little victory dance.

    Are they still going to keep the name ‘Boy Scouts’ if girls are in it?

    One has to wonder if this is another thing they are trying to do to confuse the two sexes.

  50. American says:

    Dr. Jordon B Peters of the University of Toronto explains “Postmodernism and Cultural Marxism” https://youtu.be/wLoG9zBvvLQ

  51. Opus says:

    I was shocked to hear – not just about girls in the Scouts, that is bad enough – but that up above Scouting is described as an American organisation.

    I had always previously traced the origins of The Boy Scouts (of which I was once a member) to Lord Baden Powell – who the LGBT are desperate to claim as one of their own. Do the Scouts still have ‘bob-a-job week’? – and what would the American equivalent be or have been?

  52. Oscar says:

    @ Lost Patrol says:
    October 11, 2017 at 4:55 pm

    “How long do we think those outfits have until infiltration? Surely the effort will be made.”

    Their time will come. Fortunately, Trail Life and ALERT are both explicitly Christian. The Boy Scouts used to be explicitly Christian, but they dropped that distinction when they went international, which was the beginning of their downfall, although I’m sure no one saw it that way at the time.

    Trail Life’s and ALERT’s explicit Christianity will protect them for a time, but the freaks are coming for the churches too, so it’s only a matter of time. Still, there is time. And while there is time, let’s be thankful that such organizations exist, and if possible, let’s support them.

    @ Lost Patrol says:
    October 11, 2017 at 4:58 pm

    “Do they see this at all? Are these people morons, or diabolically ingenious and calculating?”

    I think they’re self-deluded. They “suppress the truth in unrighteousness” (Romans 1).

  53. Oscar says:

    @ earl says:
    October 11, 2017 at 5:09 pm

    “There’s no doubt in my mind most big wig Hollywood executives like Weinstein try to sample the talent first.”

    Hell, look at Roman Polanski. He drugged and sodomized a 13-year-old girl, and Hollywood literally applauds and rewards him.

    How many feminists gave him a standing ovation there?

  54. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Here’s a twist. The Girl Scouts are mad and jealous at the Boy Scouts for poaching female recruits: http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2017/10/11/boy-scouts-admitting-girls/

    The Girl Scouts of the USA have criticized the initiative, saying it strains the century-old bond between the two organizations. Girl Scout officials have suggested the BSA’s move was driven partly by a need to boost revenue, and they contended there is fiscal stress in part because of past settlements paid by the BSA in sex-abuse cases.

    In August, the president of the Girl Scouts, Kathy Hopinkah Hannan, accused the Boy Scouts of seeking to covertly recruit girls into their programs while disparaging the Girl Scouts’ operations. On Monday, Latino civic leader Charles Garcia, just days after being named to the Girl Scouts’ national board, wrote an opinion piece for the Huffington Post calling the BSA’s overture to girls “a terrible idea.”

    “The Boy Scouts’ house is on fire,” Garcia wrote. “Instead of addressing systemic issues of continuing sexual assault, financial mismanagement and deficient programming, BSA’s senior management wants to add an accelerant to the house fire by recruiting girls.”

    Instead of recruiting girls, Garcia said the BSA should focus on attracting more black, Latino and Asian boys — particularly those from low-income households.

    Perhaps the Girl Scouts’ lesbian leadership worries that all the pretty girls will prefer to hang with the boys.

  55. Peasant says:

    Opus,

    The Boy Scouts of America is an American organization founded in 1910 based on the principles the Baden-Powell laid out (I want to say “Scouting for Boys” was published in 1908). They are members of some international umbrella Scouting organization along with the original Boy Scouts across the pond, but they act more or less independently.

  56. earlthomas786 says:

    ‘How many feminists gave him a standing ovation there?’

    Just think how empowering Hollywood is for females. They have to toe the sexual immorality line of these pervs and are under constant threat that it could jeapordize their lives, fame and careers. What a life!

    I don’t doubt a part of them is still uncomfortable being exploited by these people or having this knowledge. But they are frozen to do anything about it. They are oppressed.

  57. Oscar says:

    @ earlthomas786 says:
    October 12, 2017 at 9:26 am

    “They have to toe the sexual immorality line of these pervs and are under constant threat that it could jeapordize their lives, fame and careers.”

    Yeah, until they’re no longer young enough for perverts like Weinstein, Polanski or Allen. Notice who’s speaking up about Weinstein.

  58. Frank K says:

    Taken together, this tells me that the directors must be totally out-of-touch with the boots on the ground

    You can still find the old BSA at the individual troop level, that much is certain. Even during my childhood as a Scout I could tell that a Troop’s character was influenced by its sponsor. Even then there was a difference between the Troops sponsored by religious orgs and those that were not. I expect that chasm has widened to Grand Canyon proportions these days.

  59. Frank K says:

    Yeah, until they’re no longer young enough for perverts like Weinstein, Polanski or Allen. Notice who’s speaking up about Weinstein.

    They’ll keep their mouths shut as long as they keep being cast and get their 7 figure paychecks.

    And Hollyweird moves fast with the starlets. On the rare occasion when I see a movie, I’ve heard of few if any of of the women. I went to see the new Bladerunner movie. The only women I had ever heard of was Robin Wright, who portrayed an old crone who happened to be a cop. The two younger female starlets, they bared it all in completely gratuitous scenes. I don’t remember their names.

  60. Frank K says:

    Just think how empowering Hollywood is for females. They have to toe the sexual immorality line of these pervs and are under constant threat that it could jeapordize their lives, fame and careers. What a life!

    Of course they tell People magazine that their lives are awwweesoooome, as they cycle through live in boyfriends and husbands, most not even lasting a year. Then the roles run out, and they vanish into obscurity and most likely despair.

  61. Otto says:

    Wasn’t there an article a while back showing that something like 1 in 6 female managers had slept with their boss?

    Is Hollywood that different from corporate America? Men use their position to get add one, and women use the power of the P to climb the ladder.

  62. earlthomas786 says:

    Then the roles run out, and they vanish into obscurity and most likely despair.

    Once this thing about Weinstein came out…look at all the washed up actresses that said ‘he did that to me too’! This is a sort of comeback for them too.

  63. Jason says:

    Let me stand.

    I am a former Scoutmaster of six years in the BSA. I earned my “Wood Badge” and MacClellen tartan neckerchief and beads. I led an inner-city Troop. Scouting as an adult, made me a better man. I attained the highest award in Cub Scouting, the “Arrow of Light” in 1981. I am sending it back to the BSA this week.

    *Scouting was founded in the UK by LORD Baden Powell after his return from the Boer Wars, he was concerned by the lack of para-military training by the younger soldiers.

    *Lord Baden Powell was hoping for a larger organization that could bring about world peace. With Scouting in all nations, he was hoping for a “brotherhood” of sorts that in turn would end many a conflict. Hitler banned the Scouts in Germany in 1933, twisted it and formed his own version (Hitler Youth or HJ). Imperial Japan banned Scouting in 1938. If the invasion of the UK had been carried out, and if the Germans indeed won…..Lord Baden Powell was on the list of “Brits” that were to be taken, tortured, humiliated, and made an example of. Unknown to the Nazis, Lord Baden Powell had died in 1939…….

    *Lord Baden Powell frequently talked of “reverence” in many of his speeches. “Show me a Scout who is not reverent before God, and I’ll show you that he is not a Scout!”

    *Every nation that has made Scouting co-ed, the effectiveness of the organization falls to the wayside and it becomes just another “after school activity” and something to put on a college application that you did, not lived.

    *Scouting in the USA reached its peak in membership in 1973. Almost eight million boys and young men. It has fallen every year since then.

    *After the Red Cross, the highest paid leader of a “non-profit” in the USA, is the Chief Executive of Scouting. His salary is built on the backs of boys selling popcorn and dues, and membership. Lord Baden Powell has been rolling in his grave now since the 1970’s

    *Scouting deserves to die now in the USA. The problems it has had now for decades is top heavy bureaucracy, badges in name only. The joke about “Eagle Scouts” today in the BSA……”paper eagles” is more real than imaginary. You have boys at 14 who can barely tie their shoes getting “Eagle Scout” awards.

    *There are plenty of good Scoutmasters left in the USA, and after the opening the door to openly gay, openly transgendered, women Scoutmasters…it was only a matter of time before girl would be allowed “equal” membership.

    Scoutmasters like myself who fit the look, image, morals, and attitude of that awesome Norman Rockwell painting from 1960 “The Scoutmaster” are now going to leave (as they should) and finally, they are going to get out into the woods more on their own!

    The BSA has no one to blame but themselves on this.

  64. earlthomas786 says:

    If you want to know Weinstein’s ‘game’ here’s some audio to it…

    It should make a decent person feel ill.

  65. Oscar says:

    @ Jason

    “Scoutmasters like myself who fit the look, image, morals, and attitude of that awesome Norman Rockwell painting from 1960 “The Scoutmaster” are now going to leave (as they should) and finally, they are going to get out into the woods more on their own!”

    Like I said, there are alternatives. They could probably use your help.

  66. Oscar says:

    @ Earl

    “So do liberal actresses and models and all the rest really think conservative men are the worst human beings in the world?

    Yes. Yes, they do. Because they have to work every day with some of the ACTUALLY worst human beings in the world. And they have to believe conservative men are worse. Otherwise, there’s no point to being on the ‘good’ side.” ~ Glenn Reynolds

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/278180/

  67. earlthomas786 says:

    It’s all part of abuse syndrome, people. I’d wondered about it for some time but the ‘revelations’ about Harvey Weinstein just make it crystal clear. People who are subject to long-term abuse MUST find an outlet for the anger that bubbles in them all the time. They don’t, dare not for various reasons, lash out at their abusers. Think of children in abusive homes. How can they lash out at their parents who are abusing them? They are powerless. So they become bullies in turn.

    This is the same rationale that the ‘alpha widow’ henpecks her unsuspecting husband…rather than being mad at the cad who had his way and then dumped her. Her husband might be a decent man which makes him an easy target.

  68. sipcode says:

    From Vox Day connection:

    “What is Social Justice? Social Justice is the equal distribution of resources and opportunities, in which outside factors that categorize people are irrelevant.” —Pachamama Alliance

    Ok to outside factors, but what about ‘inside factors’ like integrity, thoughts that lead to actions, morality, viginas? Why are they irrelevant also?

    And equal distribution? ……then, she gets her vagina 50% of the time and I get it the other 50? [oops, maybe more than I want]. And she should get the 50% opportunity to be nagged and scoffed at like I get nagged and scoffed at [from the likes of her wonderful internal self].

  69. earlthomas786 says:

    Social justice is equality for thee, but not for me.

  70. earlthomas786 says:

    Bromance is a stupid word for male friendship. Of course you can tell a guy things you’d never tell your significant other…because they often don’t hold it against you.

  71. Oscar says:

    @ earlthomas786 says:
    October 12, 2017 at 12:09 pm

    “This is the same rationale that the ‘alpha widow’ henpecks her unsuspecting husband…rather than being mad at the cad who had his way and then dumped her. Her husband might be a decent man which makes him an easy target.”

    Good point. By the way, I screwed up the attribution. John Ringo actually wrote that piece.

  72. Dave says:

    In another part of the web, it appears that artificial womb has successfully grown a baby sheep:

  73. Oscar says:

    On the one hand this scandal keeps getting worse, which is sad. On the other hand, watching SJWs consume each other is entertaining.

  74. @Oscar

    One thing that struck me that no one really in our spaces around here has commented on: the SMV aspects to Harvey getting thrown under the bus. The guy, without power, is low, for a man, on the SMV chart. But with power, influence & money, Women that want to be in the movies will, mostly, put up with a lot.

    But Harvey always pushed too far because he could hush up the issue. The only time most Alphas run into trouble is when they’ve been drinking too much and something goes sideways. There are exceptions, but you don’t hear complaints about actors having sex with each other very often. No, it’s always about the casting couch and doing perverse things for someone that’s otherwise a much lower SMV.

  75. earl says:

    The guy, without power, is low, for a man, on the SMV chart. But with power, influence & money, Women that want to be in the movies will, mostly, put up with a lot.

    While it sounds like he got a few of them with those tatics…it seems the overwhelming majority rejected* that nonsense.

    *unless they’re lying

  76. Anonymous Reader says:

    Looking Glass
    One thing that struck me that no one really in our spaces around here has commented on: the SMV aspects to Harvey getting thrown under the bus. The guy, without power, is low, for a man, on the SMV chart. But with power, influence & money, Women that want to be in the movies will, mostly, put up with a lot.

    Perhaps “rich bozo jerk” game only works for so long. What is more interesting to me is how fast Weinstein’s position crumbled. He’s close to the Clintons, and Hollywood covered up for Bill Clinton for over a decade. One would expect that Ashley Judd could have been convinced to shut up early on. Perhaps he was too arrogant to even try?

    Isn’t Miramax part of Disney? Perhaps the pressure came from that side.

    I have no sympathy for a rich, arrogant, stupid Hollywood producer who went to his casting couch one time too many. No doubt after “rehab” he’ll do an apology tour of some sort; the View, Ellen, night talkshows, etc. and then will be declared “cured” by Feminism, Inc.

  77. earl says:

    No doubt after “rehab” he’ll do an apology tour of some sort; the View, Ellen, night talkshows, etc. and then will be declared “cured” by Feminism, Inc.

    He should be in jail…but since he’s ‘elite’ it’s rehab. Whatever that means.

  78. Anonymous Reader says:

    He should be in jail

    The FBI has opened an investigation, because of the “interstate” aspect. Whether anything will come of that or not is an open question. Competing agendas obviously exist.

  79. Gunner Q says:

    Looking Glass @ 3:38 pm:
    “the SMV aspects to Harvey getting thrown under the bus.”

    What’s to say? The guy was a shark in a shark tank. He’s panicking now because he’s the one bleeding in that shark tank.

    Hollywood is one of those industries in which human predators occur in such large numbers that they form mafias to share the prey amongst their numbers, simultaneously protecting each other while fighting over turf. Up to a point and you can count on your fellow pervert’s loyalty because they don’t want exposure either; beyond that point they “cut you loose”, to coin a Godfather-ism, for the same reason.

    Similar industries today are government, journalism, academia and religion. What these industries all have in common is short, reliable paths to controlling the lives of other people.

  80. Oscar says:

    RE: Gender-confused Scouts

    “Ignoring the essential differences between boys and girls does both sexes a disservice, Hancock said. ‘Increasingly, however, it seems that boys are being singled out and told that their natural traits and characteristics are somehow wrong or need to be corrected’, [Trail Life USA CEO Mark] Hancock said. ‘We believe that, properly encouraged and nurtured by good role models, what makes a boy a boy is good, for the individual and for society’.”

    https://www.traillifeusa.com/blog/264-TLUSA-Pledges-to-Keep-Boy-Focus-after-BSA-Announces-it-Will-Allow-Girls/1-/

  81. Oscar says:

    @ Anonymous Reader says:
    October 12, 2017 at 4:44 pm

    “He’s close to the Clintons, and Hollywood covered up for Bill Clinton for over a decade.”

    True, but none of Clinton’s victims were members of the elite, so ignoring them was easier.

    “One would expect that Ashley Judd could have been convinced to shut up early on.”

    That goes back to my earlier observation. Ashley Judd – and all of Weinstein’s other accusers of which I’m aware – became famous playing sex kitten roles, but are now past their prime. I think that has something to do with it.

  82. earl says:

    became famous playing sex kitten roles, but are now past their prime.

    The carousel and wall isn’t kind to Hollywood actresses either.

  83. Lost Patrol says:

    @AR

    No doubt after “rehab” he’ll do an apology tour of some sort; the View, Ellen, night talkshows, etc. and then will be declared “cured” by Feminism, Inc.

    This is definitely the standard pattern but I wonder if he will be deemed to have enough potential for future usefulness by the corporation such that it will clean his slate. I note that Weinstein’s first move was to say he was dedicating his life to fighting the NRA or something like that, so he understands that this phony rehab/apology tour is where his future hangs in the balance, and is already trying to position himself for that.

    @Oscar

    Ashley Judd – and all of Weinstein’s other accusers of which I’m aware – became famous playing sex kitten roles, but are now past their prime. I think that has something to do with it.

    To see Ashley now is think that , despite her list of go-girl certificates, life has passed her by.

  84. I brought up the SMV aspect because is a constant in the assumptions of all of these discussions. None of these Women had any attraction to him otherwise. He couldn’t pull a single one of the starlets with money otherwise. (See most of Silicon Valley and the billionaires there. Most of their wives settled for them.)

    This is the difference between Bill & Harvey; most of Clinton’s Women were more than willing and won’t sell out an Alpha. (Obviously, he still abused & raped, but that was a minority of them.) This is why they’ll protect Bill but Harvey got wiped out the instant he was vulnerable. It’s also the reason we have so many pictures of Women recoiling from him. Bill could work a room like few others, while Harvey cleared a room with his presence.

  85. Oscar says:

    @ earl says:
    October 12, 2017 at 5:41 pm

    “The carousel and wall isn’t kind to Hollywood actresses either.”

    @ Lost Patrol says:
    October 12, 2017 at 5:54 pm

    “To see Ashley now is think that , despite her list of go-girl certificates, life has passed her by.”

    Very few of them have the talent to transition into “serious actress” territory past 35. For example, when I heard that Ashley Judd, Heather Graham and Rose McGowan were some of Weinstein’s accusers, I couldn’t remember the last time I’d seen any of them.

    None are particularly talented, so their careers followed the trajectory of their looks. They have nothing to lose at this point.

  86. earl says:

    This is why they’ll protect Bill but Harvey got wiped out the instant he was vulnerable.

    See how fast Harvey’s wife went the divorce route when the Titanic was sinking…I think it was only after a day or two. Hildabeast is still with Slick Willie.

  87. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    I’m very interested in etymology. Does anyone know when “Boy Scout” became a derisive term for an overly nice, moral male?

  88. Anonymous Reader says:

    See how fast Harvey’s wife went the divorce route when the Titanic was sinking…I think it was only after a day or two. Hildabeast is still with Slick Willie.

    The Clintons know a great deal about each other.
    Also, there’s no statute of limitations on the crime of murder.

  89. info says:

    @Dave
    Creepy as shit brave new world anyone?

  90. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    OT, but how’s this for a definition:

    Feminism is the belief that every slut, whore, and harridan has the right to be treated as a lady.

  91. earl says:

    I sent it to rewrite:

    Feminism is the belief that every slut, whore, and harridan has the right to be treated like a man.

    I say this because feminists are probably bigger misogynists than even your most hardcore woman-hating man. They hate the feminine.

  92. Original Laura says:

    OFF TOPIC for this thread, but not off topic for the blog as a whole:

    Research paper showing that 1 out of 3 marriages are now the result of meeting online. Marriages that start online are happier and more likely to last than marriages that do NOT start online. Statistics, pie charts, breakdowns by race, age, income level, etc. Eharmony and Match.com were the online dating sites most likely to have been used by the brides and grooms.

    http://www.pnas.org/content/110/25/10135.full

  93. Anon says:

    Original Laura,

    The plus of at least a relationship-oriented website is that you search for certain parameters.

    But female hypergamy and the solipism of male creators ruins it.

    For example, eHarmony started way back in, what, 2004?

    I can believe that even complex human personalities and preferences can be simplified into their 400-question questionaire, and then the engine can provide great matches across those 400 parameters.

    So why wasn’t eHarmony the greatest invention of all time? An engine that finds you the 1% of people you are most compatible with? Even those who marry after just 3 dates ought to have a very high likelihood of success. The founder, a tradcon Christian, said that his overall goal is to reduce US marriage rates down to 10%.

    So why did eHarmony fail?

    1) Female hypergamy. If all women are only interested in 20% of men, this model does not work. This hypergamy seeps into women’s ability to do even the simplest of arithmetic. It has been shown that women think only 20% of men are above average, and 80% are below. Note, the question was not ‘who are you attracted to’, but rather ‘is this man above average or below’? Women rated only 20% of men as above average. Men, by contrast, while stating that only the top 20% of women are beautiful, were correct in rating 50% above average, and 50% below. Men still understood what ‘average’ means, while female psychology is so dominated by their sexuality, that they cannot even place where the average actually resides.

    2) The tradcon designer was drenched in solipism. He assumed that if men like kindness in women, women must like kindness in men. If men didn’t care what a woman earned, women must not care what men earned. Hence, the tradcon was baffled as to why is 400-parameter algorithm kept delivering women matches that they just were not attracted to. As a tradcon, he was incapable of figuring this out. The eHarmony algorithm is probably great for gay men to find each other, but that of course was not its goal.

    There you have it. Any 400-parameter algorithm that really could match people up well would have to a) be very red pill about what women want, and b) have to be in an arrange-marriage 1.0 society.

  94. Opus says:

    I don’t think I recognise Boy Scouts any more – Homosexuals, Girls, as well as Atheists are now permitted membership. Is there anything that they stand for other than not standing for anything?

    Sad.

  95. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Original Laura: Marriages that start online are happier and more likely to last than marriages that do NOT start online.

    Online marriages are a relatively new thing. It’s too early to venture a guess as to how long they’ll last. So I wouldn’t put much stock in any “research” that ventures to guess.

  96. Earl,

    Is there anything that they stand for other than not standing for anything?

    Making money. When the LDS reduced their financial commitment to the Boy Scouts of America to all of their boys up to age 14, that reduced BSA’s earning power by more than 30%. So, add more people into the pot to increase the charters elsewhere.

  97. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    British town council mandates an LGBT nightclub in a housing development: https://www.localgov.co.uk/Council-rules-new-development-must-include-LGBT-nightclub/43993

    So now local governments in Britain are facilitating (subsidizing?) sodomy. Between subsidizing this and the importation of Muslim terrorists, I feel deep pity for the British people.

  98. thedeti says:

    Jason:

    I’m with you on the Boy Scouts’ decision to admit girls. I am sad for an organization I believe (believed?) in very much.

    I have been affiliated with Boy Scouting on and off for 15 years. I earned the Arrow of Light. I am a Life Scout (the second highest rank in Boy Scouting, just below Eagle Scout). I earned 22 merit badges. I am a Vigil Honor member of the Order of the Arrow. I am a cub scout den leader and an assistant cubmaster. I have trained other adults on pack and troop leadership. I have served faithfully for years as a Scout and now as a Scouter. And I am not sure I want to continue. I don’t think I recognize this organization anymore. I’m not sure I know how to lead in this organization or train others.

    Sad. Very sad.

  99. Anonymous Reader says:

    Opus
    I don’t think I recognise Boy Scouts any more – Is there anything that they stand for ?

    In a sense, the Boy Scouts will now stand for just about anything. Probably not the answer you were hoping for.

  100. Anonymous Reader says:

    British town council mandates an LGBT nightclub in a housing development:

    There’s an opportunity for black knighting: mandate those clubs be located in areas that are heavily Moslem. Smear anyone who objects as either “homophobic” or “Islamophobic”, or both if possible.

  101. American says:

    @Chris Nystrom October 10, 2017 at 9:38 am – I know middle aged men with STEM graduate degrees in science andd technology who have many vendor technical certifications that can find no work of any kind despite excellent resumes chalk full of progressive accomplishment leading up to the Great Recession. Today, they make their money as “self-employed service consultants” living in family member’s homes barely surviving. This mass offshoring and outsourcing of U.S. jobs, capital investment, and invention/innovation (which builds foreign competitors further exacerbating the harm done to U.S. workers much further) combined with mass immigration of foreign workers has destabilized the domestic labor market here in the U.S. to a great degree for white collar middle-aged workers with excellent degrees, resumes, and work histories in the private sector.

  102. Jason says:

    @thedeti

    I stepped down in March 2017 when it it was mandated that “trans-gendered” youth could be allowed to join, and you no longer “could ask” gender on the application. A fellow Scoutmaster said at the time “Well….within a year or two, girls are going to be allowed to join, since you cannot ask gender anymore.” I smirked and thought “yeah” but not that quick. We were told when “openly gay boys were allowed to join, as well as openly gay leaders that Charter Organizations still could choose their leaders of their respected Troops / Packs (my Troop and corresponding pack was chartered by The Salvation Army). We breathed a sigh of relief, but within six months the pressure was “on” and suddenly we were being told differently, and to encourage “diversity” within the Troop so it reflected the neighborhood (in that case, my all black and latin Troop was breaking the rules because 20% of the population in my area is urban poor white)

    I was at the National Meeting in 2014 in Colorado Springs, Colorado for the committee on the “re-write” of the Scout Handbook, about 700 Scoutmasters from across the country were there. The National Office “slipped” the new “revised” Oath pass us all and at an evening meeting…a few Scoutmasters caught it, and brought it up…….we were LIVID. It removed “duty to God”

    The National Committee just smiled, told us that it was nothing to worry about and being “inclusive” to people who don’t have a faith is important / our studies have shown that more boys would join if we didn’t have a statement like that / Scouting has always been on the cusp and cutting edge of the times / don’t worry if your Troop or Pack still wants to use the Scout Oath with “God” in it, you may

    The outrage was so loud, angry, and the push-back was VERY vocal. We were meeting at the United States Air Force Academy. The whole hall / lecture room started chanting “Shame!” and “Speak for Scouting!” Angry shouts punctuated the air and room with “What’s the matter with you?!” The Scoutmaster who was the Srgt at Arms was pounding the gavel, calling for “Order! Order!” and he was being ignored. The whole place from the rafters down to the front was shouting, yelling, and angry. Really angry. Boos! Chants, yelling! The meeting was dismissed. Closed. We were all told to “go to our lodgings, and we would begin tomorrow morning”

    The next day. The “duty to God” we were all informed would not be removed from the Scout Oath.

    You could tell by their looks that the “National Committee” would have to go back to their corporate donors on their knees and BEG them “ummm, we didn’t get that removed….but we promise next time, it will be a done deal…please don’t cut our funding!!!” They all looked like naughty schoolboys in their adult Scout uniforms….like they were caught but still didn’t want to admit that they tried to pull a “sneaky” on the rank and file of the rest of us. A dishonor to the Uniform, the boys, and OUR history as Scouts.

    Deti. as hard as it is for me to say this……you must step down. Go through the calendar year, or mark the date on your calendar for when the “new” policy goes into effect. Your Scout heart KNOWS this is wrong. Your values you have go beyond Scouting. For me, it came down to……I serve Christ before Scouting. It was hard for me to step down. I wept and cried over it. I loved being a Scoutmaster. I loved those boys!!!

  103. American says:

    @Jason October 13, 2017 at 10:49 am: And that is one of the reasons why Trail Life USA was created and is growing so rapidly. Apparently, many parents don’t want their boys belonging to a scouting association that degenerated into a secularized, feminized, culturally Marxist counterfeit of what it once was right down to the open arm acceptance of personality disordered trannys into leadership positions.

  104. Jason says:

    The Territorial Headquarters of The Salvation Army has announced that it will no longer be chartering BSA Troops and Cub Scout Packs at the end of the 2017.

    The Sally Army was never a big organization that chartered with the BSA for a boys “youth program” but 25 to 30 Troops and corresponding Cub Scout Packs across the Territory have had a relationship with the BSA since the 1940’s.

  105. PokeSalad says:

    As an ex-Scout myself, I am confident that this foolish,cowardly, and evil decision by BSA will backfire dramatically. That scumbag moral coward Gates will lose many more boys and their families than he will ever gain in girls, and that is exactly what that buffoon deserves. I don’t have the words to express my contempt for that worm.

    BSA essentially committed institutional suicide when they hired that scum…but then, he apparently reflects the moral bankruptcy of the BSA’s ‘elites.’ Judgment shall be rendered upon you.

  106. Lost Patrol says:

    @ Jason

    The whole place from the rafters down to the front was shouting, yelling, and angry. Really angry. Boos! Chants, yelling! The meeting was dismissed.

    Now that is very telling and interesting, and a story we are not seeing anywhere else.

    The BSA held out on accommodating LBGTs and women’s desires longer than the US military, so there’s an also-ran, handful of ashes type trophy for those of us that scouted back in what are now “the old days”…

  107. Jason says:

    I sadly, and regretfully was never a Boy Scout that long. I was a Cub Scout, and earned my ‘Arrow of Light’ and I was a good and dutiful lil’ Cub Scout! After a few months in Boy Scouts, I found it boring. This was n the early 1980’s. Also, my father took me camping, canoeing, hiking frequently. I found the one camping trip we went on with the Boy Scouts really boring. When I wanted to drop out, my father I could tell was “discouraged” and not pleased. My father reached the rank of Life Scout in 1954….but he did let me drop out………….

    When I became a Scoutmaster in 2011, I had realized what indeed I had missed out on. I should have never dropped out. I should have told my dad at the time “let’s find another Troop to join”

    Sometimes, it IS the Troop and the leadership that inspires the boys. In my six years, two of my Scouts had earned The Eagle Rank. My Troop before this had not awarded an Eagle Rank since 1977. I grew the Troop from three boys when I took over to forty by the time I stepped down (and over 30 of the boys were active). It was going door to door in my neighborhood in uniform. Knocking on doors. Walking deeper. Stepping in faith, and a passion of “hopefully some of these boys won’t make the same mistakes I did!!!”

    I pushed them hard. I expected good grades. I required my Troop to wear their uniforms to school on “meeting days” (and I checked, and they did). I counseled, loved, cried with them and laughed too. So much fun! Deeply missed.

  108. Novaseeker says:

    Are the Boy Scouts going to change their name? Not much point in having Boy in the name if it isn’t for boys only. I’d also suppose that there is no way in hell that the Girl Scouts will ever admit boys, and of course no-one so much as bats an eye at the contradiction there.

  109. Embracing Reality says:

    I was a scout, made it to Star before our church troop dissolved. Like the military it teaches discipline and teamwork along with many other skills. I loved the outdoors, rougher the better. The metaphorical babies were quickly revealed for what they were independent of their social status outside of the wilderness. Females will ruin it like they do everything else.

  110. earlthomas786 says:

    When I was in Scouts the best part was camping and doing outdoor activities and hanging out with other boys from around the neighborhood. If girls want to do that…do it with their own gender.

  111. Jason says:

    No kidding Novaseeker!

    In the 1970’s the last of the “traditionally” men’s colleges / universities all went co-ed. I believe Dartmouth College was the last of the ivies to go co-ed. It wasn’t mandatory, but it was a push at the point of a proverbial “gun” so to speak.

    Look at the “junior league” and other “women’s organizations” and “clubs” and “colleges”. Womens’ only gyms, apartment complexes…….These rules didn’t apply to them, and still don’t. Supper clubs, the YMCA, civic organizations (The Elks for example), country clubs……all *forced* to admit women…..OR ELSE!!!!!!

    Heck, even the last bastion of a male space, the traditional barber shop is getting the heat. My barber (a young, hip latino and excellent barber) would tell women who came in, who “just wanted an inch or two cut” the following: I only cut men’s hair!

    He has been told by his California Licensing Board that he “cannot say that” anymore. He has to cut a womans hair. It isn’t about being equal. It’s frankly this: anywhere that men hang out without women, we must be conspiring to oppress them in some way.

    At my barber shop you are now seeing “women” more frequently for a trim, and most of the simps waiting GIVE them attention, and they LOVE IT. They eat it up. Even my barber has told patrons, “Yo don’t talk to the women here, you’re encouraging them…..be polite but leave them out of the conversations”

    Even at baseball games….I was standing at the urinal, and a “hot” woman comes in, and is “going to-just-use-the-stall-real-quick-because-there-is-a line-in-the-womens-bathroom”

    All heads turned….she is acting like she owned the place….and of COURSE after she was done washing her hands…..the SIMPS complemented her “You know, I dig this….in europe they have co-ed restrooms, we’re just so hung-up and sexually repressed here…” and shaking their heads or other like minded comments. This chick was EATING UP the attention. I left the restroom, told a security guard. He shrugged his shoulders and looked at me as if I should be wearing a pink dress “You don’t like women using a guys restroom?” he snarkily replied and smiled.

    The discussion is cornered. You speak up? You hate women, or you’re some kind prude / homosexual / tense guy. I mean, look at the “I love boobies” bracelets so many guys are wearing for “breast cancer research” today….never mind the FACT that prostate cancer kills more men than breast cancer….and if you say something, or make a comment when its brought up????

    “What? You don’t like boobies??????????” Most men who wear this could care less about “cancer” all they want is women to think they are these concerned men. Simp central

  112. Opus says:

    @Red Pill Latecomer

    One has perhaps to read between the lines which will be easier should I inform you that firstly you do not want to visit Tower Hamlets and secondly that should you not heed my advice you will feel that you have ventured into the middle east for it is majority Muslim.

  113. Lost Patrol says:

    I’d also suppose that there is no way in hell that the Girl Scouts will ever admit boys, and of course no-one so much as bats an eye at the contradiction there.

    They don’t want any boys, but they sure are mad about the new boy/girl scouts:

    “But in a blistering letter this week, the president of Girl Scouts of the U.S.A. accused Boy Scouts of America of trying to undercut the organization through a “covert campaign to recruit girls.””

  114. Anonymous Reader says:

    Are the Boy Scouts going to change their name?

    Too much invested in the trademark most likely. “Cuck Scouts” fits.

    “But in a blistering letter this week, the president of Girl Scouts of the U.S.A. accused Boy Scouts of America of trying to undercut the organization through a “covert campaign to recruit girls.””

    BSA leaders tried to serve fried ice, got burned. Funny how that happens.

  115. earl says:

    “But in a blistering letter this week, the president of Girl Scouts of the U.S.A. accused Boy Scouts of America of trying to undercut the organization through a “covert campaign to recruit girls.””

    And there was some girls who were very overt in wanting to join the Boy Scouts because they didn’t like the Girl Scouts.

    I wish we could go back to a time where we could tell women/girls ‘NO’ without them whining to some government agency or non-government usurper to change it to yes.

  116. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Novaseeker: I’d also suppose that there is no way in hell that the Girl Scouts will ever admit boys,

    They’ll have to admit boys who claim they are girls. Tranny’s rights outrank girl’s rights.

  117. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Jason: “You don’t like women using a guys restroom?” he snarkily replied and smiled. The discussion is cornered. You speak up? You hate women …

    Whereas if a straight man used the women’s restroom, he might be suspected of being a Peeping Tom or some other kind of perv.

  118. earl says:

    “You know, I dig this….in europe they have co-ed restrooms, we’re just so hung-up and sexually repressed here…”

    Yeah nothing says sexual liberation like taking a whiz next to a lady.

  119. Anonymous Reader says:

    Yeah nothing says sexual liberation like taking a whiz next to a lady.

    “That was no lady…”

  120. Rum says:

    that was no wiz…

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