Spike linked in the comments to a podcast of Independent Man chatting with Bettina Arndt:
Audio issues and accents aside, this is an interesting conversation. Arndt is a dating coach who has taken observations she originally came across in the early Manosphere and applies them to help her female clients.
Long time readers will recall that Arndt wrote a column by the same name in the Sydney Morning Herald back in 2012: Why women lose the dating game. Arndt was evidently at one time a reader of this very blog, as she not only mentioned it in the piece, but she quoted me as well:
But there is another conversation going on – a fascinating exchange about what is happening from the male point of view. Much of it thrives on the internet, in the so-called ”manosphere”. Here you will find men cheerfully, even triumphantly, blogging about their experience. They have cause for celebration, you see. They’ve discovered a profound change has taken place in the mating game and, to their surprise, they are the winners.
Dalrock (dalrock.wordpress.com) is typical: ”Today’s unmarried twentysomething women have given men an ultimatum: I’ll marry when I’m ready, take it or leave it. This is, of course, their right. But ultimatums are a risky thing, because there is always a possibility the other side will decide to leave it. In the next decade we will witness the end result of this game of marriage chicken.”
The endgame Dalrock warns about is already in play for hordes of unmarried professional women – the well-coiffed lawyers, bankers and other success stories. Many thought they could put off marriage and families until their 30s, having devoted their 20s to education, establishing careers and playing the field. But was their decade of dating a strategic mistake?
That’s when some men start behaving very badly – as the manosphere clearly shows. These internet sites are not for the faint-hearted. The voices are often crude and misogynist. But they tell it as they see it. There is Greenlander, an apparently successful engineer in his late 30s. In his early adult life, he was unable to ”get the time of day from women”. Now he’s interested only in women under 27.
”The women I know in their early 30s are just delusional,” he says. ”I sometimes seduce them and sleep with them just because I know how to play them so well. It’s just too easy. They’re tired of the cock carousel and they see a guy like me as the perfect beta to settle down with before their eggs dry out … when I get tired of them I just delete their numbers from my cell phone and stop taking their calls … It doesn’t really hurt them that much: at this point they’re used to pump & dump!”
The basic strategy Greenlander describes is one I speculated on in one of my very first posts (July 2010): Next Phase of the Hypergamous Arms Race: Revenge of the Nerds? Soon after I speculated that some men might be employing a beta provider con on the women seeking to con men with “free sample” sex, Marcos confirmed that it worked for him.