A long term commitment to selling divorce.

A recent MarketWatch article on “gray divorce” made me want to revisit the topic.  Interestinly while the article itself doesn’t seem to have changed since it was first published in March, the spin the title places on the article has changed twice.  Here are three different snapshots of the article with the respective titles:

  1. Your failing marriage is about to make the retirement crisis worse
  2. This is why baby boomers are divorcing at a stunning rate
  3. The good news behind why baby boomers are divorcing at a stunning rate

Regardless of the title, the opening message in all of the versions of the article is the same;  older women are fed up with their long marriages and have decided en masse to divorce their boring loyal dude husbands.  Underneath an image of women deciding if they should let their men out of jail or abandon them, all three open with:

Looking ahead to the next phase of life can seem pretty dreadful if you can’t stand the person who you’ll be spending it with.

That may be what some boomers are facing. Among U.S. adults ages 50 and older, the divorce rate has roughly doubled since the 1990s, according to a recent Pew Research Center report.

The problem, according to the article, is that we live much longer now, and “we” (women) are now too enlightened to see marriage as a lifetime commitment.  Therefore, the boring loyal dudes must go (emphasis mine):

Statistically speaking we’re healthier and probably going to be living a lot longer — possibly 30 years longer — than average retirees once did. The surge in late-in-life — or “gray” — divorce is one possibly unintended consequence of this so-called longevity bonus.

“What’s pushing gray divorce is people are living longer and they feel more entitled to living fully. They’ve contributed to raising children, they want an emotional journey, it’s their time now,” says Lili Vasileff, a certified financial planner and president of Divorce and Money Matters, which specializes in divorce financial planning. “They may have (decades) ahead and don’t want to be unhappy anymore.”

This article and the Pew study it cites are part of a long running pattern in the media.  The 2008 American Community Survey (ACS) found that divorce rates for Americans over 50 had increased substantially compared with the same statistic from 1990. This lead to a barrage of breathless media stories about an “explosion” or “surge” in divorce rates as long married couples got older, with a generation of empowered Boomer wives deciding life was too short to remain married to their boring loyal dudes.  As the Market Watch story demonstrates, the pattern continues today.  Nearly ten years later, we are still getting news stories about this empowering new trend.

And yet, it is all a sham!  For starters, the breathless headlines about this new trend are highly misleading.  The Pew research report is titled Led by Baby Boomers, divorce rates climb for America’s 50+ population.  After two paragraphs explaining this “new” trend, the report finally spills the beans;  divorce rates for couples over 50 have remained steady for nearly a decade (perhaps longer):

While the divorce rate for adults 50 and older has risen sharply over the past 25 years, it has remained relatively steady for this age group since 2008, when the Census Bureau began collecting divorce data yearly as part of its American Community Survey.

The change occurred some time between 1990 and 2008.  Since then it has remained “relatively steady”.  Yet here we are, nearly 10 years later, and Pew is reporting a change that happened between 1990 and 2008 as if it were something new!

But the misinformation campaign is even worse, because even from the beginning the message has been the opposite of reality.  While it was true that late life divorce rates had increased significantly from 1990, and it was also true that older women (just like younger women) initiate the vast majority of divorces, the narrative being sold was and is nonsense. There has been no “surge” or “explosion” in Boomer divorce rates as couples aged.  In fact, the exact opposite occurred.  As Boomers aged, their divorce rates dropped dramatically.  As the data in this NCFMR report shows, this was the case for every cohort of Boomers, just like the Silents before them:

boomerdivorcechart

What the 2008 and subsequent ACS surveys measured was the fact that Boomers were continuing their life long trend of divorcing at higher rates than the generations that preceded and followed.*

The simple fact is that divorce rates don’t increase late in life.  The exact opposite is the case, as divorce rates decline dramatically as the age of the wife increases:

45plusremarriagerates1960to2010

There is an obvious explanation for this, as divorce rates are driven by women, and women’s options drop dramatically as they get older:

45plusremarriagerates1960to2010

The reality is even bleaker than the chart above would suggest for older women in the Sexual Market Place (SMP) and Marriage Market Place (MMP).  Older men’s higher remarriage rates come at a time of SMP strength, as Rolo’s chart predicts.  Most of them don’t need to remarry to be successful in the SMP.  Older women on the other hand tend to end up terribly alone if they don’t remarry, as the 2004 AARP survey on late life divorce discovered (emphasis mine):

Almost 9 in 10 men (87%) dated after their divorce, compared to 8 in 10 women (79%)…  Among those who dated after the divorce, more than half of men (54%) but fewer women remarried (39%).

Many women, especially those who have not remarried
(69%), do not touch or hug at all sexually.
An even larger majority of women who have not remarried do not engage in sexual intercourse (77% saying not at all), in comparison with about half of men (49%) who have not remarried.

The AARP survey painted a truly bleak picture for women who divorce late in life, showing that nearly 70% of the women didn’t remarry, and failing to remarry for women meant living in a sexual desert, not even getting hugs!  And yet, fitting with the media narrative, the AARP survey chose a cover image of a lonely old man devastated by divorce.

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*This chart using ONS data demonstrates this same pattern in the UK.  See this post for more on how the chart was created.

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  2. Fred Flange, GBFC (Great Books for Cucks) says:

    I take it the gist of these three articles is: first we will sell you on this idea that there is No Married Country for Old Men. So call your broker to redo your finances now that we put this idea in your head. Nice idea isn’t it? Interesting sales pitch they have there.
    Also, in general, second marriages have higher probabilities of ending in divorce, regardless of age or demographic, am I remembering correctly?
    So the “increase” being cited is just the increase in numbers of people doing the Hatesville Shuffle because there are more Boomers doing everything. But the proportions and trends within that generation point to a downward divorce rate as couples age, just like before.
    Why I am interested: This is something I plan to monitor closely in the next few years, as I am moving into that dangerous demographic my own bad self.

  3. Dalrock says:

    @Fred Flange

    Also, in general, second marriages have higher probabilities of ending in divorce, regardless of age or demographic, am I remembering correctly?

    So the “increase” being cited is just the increase in numbers of people doing the Hatesville Shuffle because there are more Boomers doing everything. But the proportions and trends within that generation point to a downward divorce rate as couples age, just like before.
    Why I am interested: This is something I plan to monitor closely in the next few years, as I am moving into that dangerous demographic my own bad self.

    Remarriages account for a big chunk of late life divorce, although they don’t account for all of it. The Pew study has a good graphic on this. Not only do divorce rates drop dramatically as couples age, but the rates for older couples are lower than they would appear because the older the cohort the more second, third, etc marriages.

  4. David says:

    There is an obvious explanation for this, as divorce rates are driven by women, and women’s options drop dramatically as they get older:

    Bingo. All the stupid cucks who think that men have total control on whether they get divorced or not are wrong.

    As are the idiots who think a woman only divorces if things are really bad, when in fact the decision is fully due to ‘the shadow of the law’ (or rather the launching pad of the law, in their case).

  5. Fred Flange, GBFC (Great Books for Cucks) says:

    Yes it was the Pew graphic I was looking at. Thanks. I now recall Dr. Judith Wallerstein was the source for the statement about second marriages generally being more susceptible to breakups. Though made some years ago, does this still hold true?.

  6. Mike says:

    Different ways one could look at this, my X is 12 years younger than me, so she’s in an entirely different age category, We were both in the same marriage, but would come in under two different groups for age at divorce. In any event, I see marriages crashing all around me in the middle aged group, and it’s nearly always the woman who initiated it. Why anyone would get married a second time is beyond my understanding.

  7. Dalrock says:

    @Fred Flange

    Yes it was the Pew graphic I was looking at. Thanks. I now recall Dr. Judith Wallerstein was the source for the statement about second marriages generally being more susceptible to breakups. Though made some years ago, does this still hold true?.

    Yes, to my knowledge this is still the case; second marriages are more prone to divorce than first marriages, and third are even more likely to divorce, etc. It would be huge if the pattern had changed given how pronounced it is. However, I don’t seem to have the data at my fingertips.

  8. Casey says:

    This is not the least bit surprising.

    These flogged articles about the ‘spike’ in retiree divorce rates is nothing more than guerilla marketing to the weak minded.

    The Divorce Industry Complex (or DIC for short) is big business; and businesses need customers.

    Courts and Lawyers make a killing every time the can coerce some easily fooled woman to participate in their fleecing operations.

    I say let women divorcees die alone. They’ve asked for it, and they deserve it.

  9. Casey says:

    Also of interest, as Dalrock pointed out, is the levelling off in 2008.

    “While the divorce rate for adults 50 and older has risen sharply over the past 25 years, it has remained relatively steady for this age group since 2008”

    What happened in 2008? That little thing we like to call the Global Financial Crisis.

    When times turn dour, women want safety and security. They are no longer so cock-sure that they can make it on their own.

    A good old financial crisis can remind the dullest of cows that they are not an island unto themselves.

  10. Bart says:

    The argument that people living longer leads to higher rates of divorce is absurd, and displays the profound ignorance of those that promote that view. First off, they simply don’t understand the difference between median life expectancy, and life expectancy of those who have lived to reach retirement age.

    Over the last century, the median life expectancy may have increased by 30 years, but the life expectancy of those who reach 65 certainly has not. Modern medicine has done very little to extend the human life span. Modern sanitation and medicine primarily prevent a lot of premature deaths, thereby allowing a majority of people to live a complete life span. A lot of young people use to die in from childhood disease, in childbirth, war, accidents, and from infectious disease.

    People who live to be old don’t really live much longer. My grandfather lived to 96, and I highly doubt that either of his sons (both in 70’s) will live that long, although I (in my 40’s) intend to.

    The real reason old people are divorcing is that they are selfish, and the restraining force of societal disapproval has been largely dissipated. Older folks today are boomers, and the boomers have always divorced at a higher rate than previous generations.

  11. Bart says:

    Casey:

    “What happened in 2008? That little thing we like to call the Global Financial Crisis.”

    Good point, and it’s not like the economy is going to improve in any real way in the near future. If anything, I foresee economic times getting more and more difficult in the years to come.

    Overwhelming debt (public and private), peak energy (volatility in energy markets), environmental and cultural degradation – ala Chris Martenson

  12. feministhater says:

    Courts and Lawyers make a killing every time the can coerce some easily fooled woman to participate in their fleecing operations.

    Yep but good thing the cats out of the bag. Less marriages mean less divorces for these money grabbing suckers. Let them drown with the divorced women who listened to their pipe song.

    It’s beautiful, they’ve killed the goose that laid their golden nest egg and made divorce so easy and so bountiful to women that the future marriage rates and the future earnings of men look bleak indeed. Haha, suckers!

  13. And on the other end of divorce is the engagement, wedding planners and the wedding.
    The canary in the coal mine?
    The bridal jewelry market

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/pamdanziger/2017/05/24/tiffany-sales-tumble-in-u-s-prospects-for-growth/#4f52124f4f52

    “Tiffany is struggling in the engagement and wedding jewelry portion of its business. In the Americas, 22% of sales are attributed to the engagement/wedding jewelry category, as compared with 28% worldwide. This, no doubt, is a reflection of lower marriage rates in the U.S. and young American bride’s willingness to ignore the tradition of the diamond engagement ring.”

    http://www.business-standard.com/article/markets/de-beers-pins-hope-on-india-china-for-revival-in-2017-jewellery-demand-117060200812_1.html

    “While bridal diamond jewellery remains fundamental, we are seeing both single and married women buying for themselves more frequently and more purchases being made online.”

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  15. Fifty Seven says:

    “…says Lili Vasileff, a certified financial planner and president of Divorce and Money Matters, which specializes in divorce financial planning.”

    Her website has a testimonials page. Helping people shred their families apparently will keep you in Coach and BMW, as well as making them your devoted slaves.

    http://www.divorceandmoneymatters.com/client-stories/

  16. Don Quixote says:

    A recent MarketWatch article on “gray divorce” made me want to revisit the topic. Interestinly while the article itself doesn’t seem to have changed since it was first published in March, the spin the title places on the article has changed twice. Here are three different snapshots of the article with the respective titles:

    Your failing marriage is about to make the retirement crisis worse
    This is why baby boomers are divorcing at a stunning rate
    The good news behind why baby boomers are divorcing at a stunning rate

    This article was presented by senior editor Angela Moore on the:
    13th of March 2017
    13th of May 2017
    31st of May 2017
    This suggests to me that Angela has an interest in this subject that goes beyond professional. Let me guess… perhaps she wants everyone to share her misery?
    I could be wrong…

    Also in the ever-changing titles when I see the word “Crisis” I know its exaggeration.

  17. Spike says:

    That women around age 50 divorce at all indicates that they don’t learn any lessons in life. They still think that at that age, they can get back on the dating horse and make the same demands on men they did when they were in their 20s.
    They end up shocked that any man they want to date demands they stump up with sex first up, with no “romance”.
    Steady or not, the >50 yrs divorce rate says that women remain stuck at a mental age of about 8, or 12 at the most, living for the present and not understanding the implications of their actions.

  18. Anon says:

    This article indicates a lucrative future for the entire nation of Nigeria.

    The pattern of a divorced woman over age 55 losing *all* of her money to a Nigerian romance scam is pretty common. Losing a three-digit amount is one thing. Losing *all* of her ill-gotten cash and prizes is quite another. Six and seven-digit sums have been lost by frivorce-drunk women who have no SMV at that age.

    These defraudings would not happen if the woman did not frivorce the man, and get seduced by a false profile from a Nigerian who does not even have good grammar. This is a classic example of how traditional marriage preserved wealth – it is just too hard to scam a couple vs. scamming the divorced single woman.

    Plus, this is more proof that Game works.

  19. Anon says:

    Spike,

    Steady or not, the >50 yrs divorce rate says that women remain stuck at a mental age of about 8, or 12 at the most, living for the present and not understanding the implications of their actions.

    You could simplify this sentence by stating that the female brain is poorly equipped to process cause and effect beyond the simple situations that existed in prehistoric times.

  20. CSI says:

    I was thinking that restoring the taboo on extra-marital sex would reduce the divorce rate considerably. The main reason for women divorcing seems to be the idea in the back of their head that they can do better. But in the process of finding a new husband she can have exciting sex with exciting new men. And perhaps one of those exciting men will fall in love and marry her. Yet if she cannot offer pre-marital sex as an enticement, part of her mind would have to acknowledge that the quality of new husband she could possibly attract would be no better than her current boring husband.

  21. Anon says:

    Don Quixote,

    This article was presented by senior editor Angela Moore on the:
    13th of March 2017
    13th of May 2017
    31st of May 2017
    This suggests to me that Angela has an interest in this subject that goes beyond professional. Let me guess… perhaps she wants everyone to share her misery?
    I could be wrong…

    Why would you be wrong? The vast majority of female journalists are not really capable of writing about anything other than themselves, as RS McCain’s ‘The Writer’ stereotype indicates. Sailer’s Law of journalism is also present here.

    I didn’t know that a journalist writing for another site was allowed to keep changing the title of her article. She is hence advertising where her rationalization hamster is at each snapshot in time.

  22. Anon says:

    New 2017 reports are coming in :

    Toronto woman loses $450,000 to a Nigerian romance scam.

    “In 2016, roughly 750 people across Canada lost more than $17 million to scammers pretending to be in love, RCMP data shows.
    That works out to around $23,000 a person.”

    So the numbers for the US are going to be about 10x to 11x of this.

  23. David J. says:

    @Dalrock: The DivorceCare materials as of a few years ago said, IIRC, that something like 67% of second marriages ended in divorce within 5-7 years and something like 80% of third marriages. My ex-wife will be one of those second marriage divorce statistics sometime in the not too distant future.

  24. ys says:

    Re: The lonely old man devastated by divorce…
    People will rationalize what they want. Among people I know, there are more widows than widowers (naturally). One of the widowers got remarried fairly quickly after his wife died. Some widows…remain widows. I overheard some talking at church and it’s, “Well, some men just NEED women, they can’t be alone, need someone to take care of them, etc. I don’t NEED that.” Rationalize as appropriate, I guess.

  25. l jess says:

    No Christian should marry a divorcee – It is a command from God. Stop this female madness in its tracks by listening and obeying.

  26. Jason says:

    To add context to all of this, is there any chart that shows the rate of unsatisfying marriages as it relates to age?

  27. Heidi_storage says:

    @Jason: That I don’t know, but awhile back Dalrock posted a link to a study showing that unhappy married people who didn’t divorce were likely to be happy some years down the road.

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  29. Otto Lamp says:

    The irony of the AARP “lonely male divorcee” cover is, that guy is likely to have women throwing themselves at him, and could probably trade up from his ex (if he chose to do so).

    He’s thin, in good physical shape, and if the clothing is any indication, a white collar worker.

    Compare him to the woman in this article about how “53 is the perfect age for American women”.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2421755/Ideal-age-American-women-53-ask-young-man-bus-seat-date-him.html

    Note the first two pictures are of film stars, who can afford to spend big bucks keeping up their looks. They made a mistake and put in a third picture–a more realistic picture of what an American woman in her 50’s looks like, which undermines their story.

    Had AARP put that woman sitting at the table on their cover, it would have sent an entirely different message (and perhaps scared some women sane).

  30. Otto Lamp says:

    @l jess,

    American Christianity is lost when it comes to divorce and sexual morality.

    The Willow Creek (church) Association has booked Sheryl Sandberg to be the keynote speaker at one of their conferences.

    https://www.willowcreek.com/events/leadership/

    This is the woman who, in her book “Lean In” advised young women to forgo marriage early on. Instead they should concentrate on their education and explore sexually. She told them they should have sex with all kinds of men–bad boys, jocks, anything and anybody–and have lots of it. Then when they turn 30 they should find a good guy and settle down.

    She LITERALLY advises women to ride the cock carousel in their youth, then find a beta-provider when they turn 30.

    By having her as the keynote speaker, they are in fact endorsing her advise for young women. This conference is being simulcast to over 600 locations–almost all of them churches. How many women sitting in their local church will hear Sandberg speak and think “maybe I should get her book and read it; after all, the church must think she is OK if they allowed her speech to be broadcast”.

    Click the link above and look at the picture–it’s a freaking church service!

  31. feeriker says:

    What happened in 2008? That little thing we like to call the Global Financial Crisis.

    When times turn dour, women want safety and security. They are no longer so cock-sure that they can make it on their own.

    A good old financial crisis can remind the dullest of cows that they are not an island unto themselves.

    I know you’ve nailed it, Casey, but there’s a little voice in the back of my head asking “could creatures so oblivious to even the most obvious instances of cause and effct REALLY be consciously considering real-world circumstances threatening their feminist fantasies?”

  32. feeriker says:

    The Willow Creek (church) Association has booked Sheryl Sandberg to be the keynote speaker at one of their conferences.

    A move that, IMO, renders them no longer Christian.

  33. feeriker says:

    The irony of the AARP “lonely male divorcee” cover is, that guy is likely to have women throwing themselves at him, and could probably trade up from his ex (if he chose to do so).

    Exactly the situation yours truly encountered. As soon as my bitchy, frigid (until she cheated on me), obese, useless ex maneuvered me into filing for divorce (by abandoning the marriage and moving out of state), my health and love life improved markedly. I’m now engaged to a woman who is her polar opposite in every conceivable way (and 12 years younger). I really should send the ex a gift and a thank you card on my wedding day for doing me such a big favor.

    She, on the other hand, is now a lonely, miserable cat lady…

  34. Opus says:

    Grey divorce sounds a little like the climate change scam.

    Single women may as Anon explains be prone to Nigerian scammers but it is not always plain-sailing for married women: many have lost their homes because their husband provided the family home as security for a business venture.

  35. Anon says:

    feeriker,

    I’m now engaged to a woman

    What? Don’t get married again! Why take the legal risk?

    Just have her be your girlfriend forever. If she demands marriage, find a new girlfriend..

  36. BillyS says:

    It could be his Christian commitment Anon. Sex outside marriage is still wrong if you seek to follow Christ.

    feeriker,

    I had thought you were already remarried.

  37. Oleaginous Outrager says:

    @Bart – “A lot of young people use to die in from childhood disease, in childbirth, war, accidents, and from infectious disease.”

    I still get a lot of blank looks when I explain that the “life expectancy” increase is due mostly to the reduction in deaths before 6 yo. (it’s simple math), and that in the past, lower life expectancy didn’t mean most folks died at 40 and no elderly existed.

    Of course, many folks are very uncomfortable discussing things such as “infant mortality” (another strike against weak-kneed modern people, unwilling to even acknowledge things that facts of life for their ancestors just a few generations ago).

    As to the main subject of the post: There’s no fool like an old fool, is there? Especially given the easily observable fact that most people are absolutely terrified of being alone for more than 10 minutes. Apparently there’s a widespread delusion that there’s a plethora of princes just waiting to scoop up a recently divorced woman decades past the wall. Again, no fool like an old fool.

  38. Dry Holes says:

    US “Christians” have long abandoned Christian teaching on men/women/sex/patriarchy/etc.

    95% believe instead in an “American Folk Religion” constituted of perhaps (1/3) mammon worship, (1/3) Leftism, and (1/3) select, bowdlerized portions of Christianity.

    We have created a false god that is supposed to give us free sex, gluttony and pharma, state guarantees of welfare, obamacare & frivorce and get outta hell card once we are done playing.

  39. feeriker says:

    feeriker,

    I had thought you were already remarried.

    Not yet. We’re in the process of finalizing her return here.

    @Anon:

    What Billy said. Besides, she’s not American, which mitigates the risk you speak of considerably.

  40. Anon says:

    What Billy said. Besides, she’s not American, which mitigates the risk you speak of considerably.

    A 50% reduction in risk, was the general consensus about this. She may stay traditional, or may become like an AW upon arrival here.

    I hope it works out…

  41. Carlotta says:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-16/new-theory-behind-stalled-economy-retirees-are-hoarding-too-much-cash

    Well if you can not control and manipulate them, tear them apart and loot them….

  42. Carlotta says:

    @Otto Lamp
    They used pictures of Jodi Foster and Andie Mcdowell to show how good 53 looks. Problem is that pick of Foster is from 1988 and Mcdowell, while beautiful, is in a picture about 10 years old on there.

  43. feeriker says:

    @Anon

    She’s spent enough time here already that she sees exactly what’s wrong with AWs. Matter o’ fact, her comments and observations on the obese, rainbow-haired, tattooed, pierced, attitudinous, slovenely, lazy, entitled she-beasts thay appear (to her) to be the majority make my comments here seem sympathetic and supportive by comparison. So I’m not worried about that aspect of the relationship.

    What worries me most is what we’re going to do about church once she’s finally here. While the one we attend here is better than average as far as American evangelical churches go, they are, like most here in the USA, VERY weak on bible study/apologetics and outreach (I’ve been trying to shake things up a bit, with limited success). These are two things that her church in her country takes very seriously. We’re either going to force some changes in our church, or we’ll eventually be doing something elsewhere, or on our own, whatever direction God gives us.

  44. Anon says:

    feeriker,

    Use the material here (7 years of archives) as the basis to start your own church. Don’t talk about ‘red pill’, just insist that the church actually follow the Bible no matter what. You might get more followers than you think.

  45. MarcusD says:

    The Red Pill: How radical feminism is demeaning to men
    https://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=1053320

    Things I learned from feminism I wish I’d learned from Christianity
    https://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=1053428

    Am I obligated to accept physical affection from spouse?
    https://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=1053559

  46. Nancy Pelosy says:

    Female stupidity is astonishing. If she understood anything in the manosphere, no woman would even CONSIDER divorcing post 35.

    Nigerian princes have a feish for older white ladies…

  47. feeriker says:

    Nigerian princes have a feish for older white ladies…

    One has to wonder if the international arrivals terminal at Lagos Airport is, on any given day, overflowing with bewildered middle aged and elderly white women from Canada, the UK, and the U.S. who are wondering why their swarthy prince charmings haven’t shown up to meet them.

  48. Snowy says:

    OFF TOPIC

    Just popping in to say that I won’t be around on the forum for a while. The last 2 or so weeks have been a whirlwind of life change for me.

    I’ve found a business partner with whom I’ll be getting a property services company started. We’re as busy as heck, and I simply can’t find time to devote to the forum. And Dalrock is pumping out so much quality material that it’s hard to keep up at the best of times.

    I’ll try to at least lurk when I can. I still get Dalrock’s emails. Special note to Looking Glass: thanks for being the man of prayer. I’m certain you’ve helped me. And you’ve reminded me of the power of being a living prayer. You’ve blessed many on here. Love to you.

    Catch you all later on.

    Love you all.

  49. feeriker says:

    @Snowy:

    That’s wonderful news, brother, about your new business! May the Lord bless you with more success than you could ever have imagined. For my part, I will continue to keep you in my prayers as well.

  50. Trust says:

    @Nancy Pelosy: “If she understood anything in the manosphere, no woman would even CONSIDER divorcing post 35.”
    ________________

    I know a few post 35 divorcees. Their kids got older, they were working, started going out with new co-workers and friends more often. They get flirted with, hit on, told they are gorgeous, etc. They leave their dependable husband for the excitement. Then they find out the flirting and complements dry up when they are available.

    Turns out, a man’s willingness to accept an aging woman’s sex and blow jobs doesn’t translate into a desire to get into a serious relationship with a woman who who already ruined one good man’s life… especially when the men she services has very graphic first hand knowledge of how she behaves when her partner isn’t looking.

    This isn’t a shocker, but women seem to struggle with the truth.

  51. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Here’s an especially ridiculous quote from that Daily Mail article:

    ‘In terms of childbearing, you can basically say forget it or if you want a baby at 50 or 53, you can get your hormones juiced up and go for it.’

    Really? A 53-year-old woman still has the option of bearing children?

    The article does mention “medical miracles” which are apparently keeping women young. But still. Giving birth at age 53?

    And idiot women in their 20s and 30s read this and think, Oh, there’s still plenty of time for me.

  52. Carlisle says:

    If you actually check the research, it is because many older women don’t want to get remarried. They see it as just picking up chores again. They have support networks and do not want to deal with the work a husband creates, the problems he causes, the limited sexual pleasure and emotional support that one supplies.

    Invariably, the older man that gets remarried wants someone to take care of him, to make his meals and wash his clothing and have whatever sex that he is able, which is not all that good for the woman. The men that stay single invariably have less of a support network, one of the reasons that they die earlier

  53. feministhater says:

    If you actually check the research, yada yada, blah blah, moan, moan, men drool, women rule, yada, yada, men die earlier.

    No one buys that bullshit except the snowflakes who divorce upon 45 and find out there is no one on the other side and then make up some excuse to ease their suffering. Women do not do better later in life without men or without civilisation there to keep them healthy. It’s a bag of shit you are selling.

    Still, please keep selling it to women, I plead with you, I beg you to sell in moar, everyday! Go!

  54. Kate says:

    Gray divorce is a direct result of lack of grandchildren. It’s the sentence would-be grannies pay for selling their daughters into feminism. Even when grandchildren exist, many adult children no longer live anywhere near their parents. Adult children suffer from lack of help from their parents; the grandchildren suffer from lack of extended family. But with no grandchildren at all for older women to devote their time and energy to, their dissatisfaction has only one outlet: the only person still around…the husband.

  55. Anon says:

    Nigerian princes have a feish for older white ladies…

    I doubt it. They already are able to take their money without ever meeting these old Western women in person.

  56. Anon says:

    Who is this Carlisle mangina?

    and do not want to deal with the work a husband creates, the problems he causes,

    The work HE creates? LOL!

    Men do 100% (some would say 110-120%) of the productive work in society.

    Carlisle’s entire pathetic model of woman-worship depends on the woman getting cash and prizes from the man, and then pretending that is fair. He is merely a lowly acolyte of the goddess cult.

    What a loser…

  57. Anon says:

    I must point out that more aspects of ‘women superior, men inferior’ are now being pushed by manginas and cuckservatives, rather than women. Many of the tweets whining about a man buying a ticket to the WonderWoman screening were from manginas.

    This is a sure sign of a top.

  58. Anon says:

    Carlisle squeaked :

    If you actually check the research, it is because many older women don’t want to get remarried.

    The last thing a mangina/cuckservative knows how to do is verify independent research findings. Dalrock’s article here has research that proves his point. You, have none, and have been intellectually outclassed.

    Not to mention the whole ‘Are women done with men over 55?’ thread.

    Remember that a mangina is often a creepy predator in disguise. This has been proven by too many examples.

    Lastly, remember to fight any leftist/feminist by starting sentences with ‘Studies have shown…’. Any falsehood can be pushed as long as you start with ‘Studies have shown…..’. That is exactly what Carlisle did here, despite being laughably ignorant and illiterate about this subject.

  59. feeriker says:

    Who is this Carlisle mangina?

    Almost certainly a woman who thinks that hiding behind a masculine avatar will add “gravitas” to the nonsense she spews. It’s been tried here in the past more than once.

    Women do not do better later in life without men or without civilisation there to keep them healthy. It’s a bag of shit you are selling.

    I’d introduce Carlisle to my ex-wife and then see if she could continue making that BS ridiculous claim with a straight face.

  60. snowdensjacket0x0x0 says:

    Carlisle is clearly a woman. I’ve found that women simply will not listen to their elders as they desperately want to buy into the feminist dream. We have told her the truth, and so done our part, and now we must allow her and all the other you-go-girlz to suffer for their actions. And as an older man I will tell you, suffer they will.

    Unfortunately under the matriarchal child support system innocent children suffer horribly as well, as a result of the choice by men to give women choices and to refuse to hold women accountable for those choices. At this point I’ve simply had to accept that a very significant percentage of women hate and despise children and want them to suffer. Yet another of their many many flaws.

    Just allow them to continue down their path. Once you’re into your mid thirties you, the man, hold most of the cards. Women’s inferior girl brains are unable to process cause and effect though so they will, they absolutely will, carry on down the path of new record breaking female unhappiness every year, new records for death by alcoholic in their middle ages, and more and more hatred towards men.

    The only way to get one of them to listen is to learn game, run mad game on her, and get her so twisted up and in love with you that she fully submits and follows your lead. Luckily us men have SO much more time than woman. And we have the entire manosphere to teach us. Learn it, practice it on the easy 30+ year old future cat ladies, and then use it to get yourself a nice mid-twenties wife who won’t be able to stop smiling as she submits to her better. And then put some babies in her.

    But never forget you absolutely must know game and run it on your new wife. Even as she gets all old and worth less and less. It’s the price us men must pay to be the superior gender. Yet another price.

  61. Frank K says:

    “I was thinking that restoring the taboo on extra-marital sex would reduce the divorce rate considerably.”

    I fear that short of a civilization wide reset, that it would be easier to put toothpaste back into tube using nothing but your bare hands that to bring that taboo back.

  62. Casey says:

    @ feeriker

    Feeriker said: “I know you’ve nailed it, Casey, but there’s a little voice in the back of my head asking “could creatures so oblivious to even the most obvious instances of cause and effect REALLY be consciously considering real-world circumstances threatening their feminist fantasies?”

    The answer to that question is no, they will not consider real-world circumstances. What they do in this case is realize that their husband is out of a job (as men put up most of the unemployment figures from 2008). Their plans are therefore dashed to walk away with copious cash & prizes.

    For a woman, the narrative is always “me, me, me, me, me !!”

    If hubby is out of a job, guess who is going to pay alimony in a divorce settlement. ?!

  63. Anon says:

    Carlisle is clearly a woman.

    I doubt it. Women who come here invariably do not know how to write in paragraphs, and won’t open with ‘If you actually read the research’…

    I still say ‘mangina’.

  64. Novaseeker says:

    Yes, to my knowledge this is still the case; second marriages are more prone to divorce than first marriages, and third are even more likely to divorce, etc. It would be huge if the pattern had changed given how pronounced it is. However, I don’t seem to have the data at my fingertips.

    Yes it’s still this way. The reason is that people who have divorced once already are both (1) marginally less good at being married on average (not all of them, but a good portion of them are) and (2) less likely to see divorce as being off the table, because they’re already divorced, so are more likely to jump ship again if they feel they want to do so. So it makes sense that the divorce rate for divorced people who are remarrying is significantly higher, and keeps getting higher the more divorces the person has been through.

  65. Spike says:

    A re-read of your article leads me to think in terms of money rather than ideology Dalrock.
    Financial planners often call the period of life extending into the 50s as a time of ”wealth accumulation”. It is a time where the rate of savings accelerates: the children have grown up and left home, mortgage repayments have either gone down or ceased, the house has been repaired, bills are fairly stable and life generally predictable.
    Such a scenario is a disaster for the financial sector, who desperately need money to MOVE in an economy, so that THEY can trap it, not you – or the rest of us.
    It is worthwhile dangling the divorce carrot in front of women, many of whom will take it,so that accumulated money will move – from us to them.
    Feminism is a part of the satanic system that is interlinked with the military / corporate / entertainment / communications complex that is designed to enslave us all.

  66. BillyS says:

    I know I would be much more likely to quickly divorce if a new marriage saw my new wife either denying sex, making it extremely contentious or ballooning in weight. I would see that as a false contract.

    I don’t know whether I would take that risk or not at this stage anyway, but I would not be as hesitant to bail as I would have been if my first marriage had not ended against my will.

  67. Dalrock says:

    Carlisle was definitely a chick. Problem solved.

    @Spike

    That women around age 50 divorce at all indicates that they don’t learn any lessons in life. They still think that at that age, they can get back on the dating horse and make the same demands on men they did when they were in their 20s.
    They end up shocked that any man they want to date demands they stump up with sex first up, with no “romance”.
    Steady or not, the >50 yrs divorce rate says that women remain stuck at a mental age of about 8, or 12 at the most, living for the present and not understanding the implications of their actions.

    Very few married women over 50 initiate divorce, and the low numbers are inflated by a higher prevalence of second and third marriages when looking at older couples. The idea that everyone is doing it is a ruse that only fools the most gullible older women into divorcing.

  68. feeriker says:

    OT, but related and of interest:

    This morning in the small first service at church, we had a new first-time visitor, a forty-ish (maybe younger) Mexican-American woman who felt moved to walk in off the street and attend the service (welcome, and God bless her). Clearly she was a woman who had not been treated kindly by life and probably had made a lot of reckless decisions early in life that didn’t take long to catch up with her. Of interest, however, was her response to an off-hand comment that our lay pastor made concerning a husband and father’s most important –and challenging– mission field: his own family. He mentioned loving discipline being a form of this mission, specifically mentioning Ephesians 5:22. This, of course, brought forth the usual groans from the women and coughs of discomfort from the nen, at which point I heard visitor lady say “this is why I’m not a wife.”

    At first I was struck by the usual visceral reaction, but then I thought to myself “Y’know, I really appreciate this woman’s honesty. Even if only unconsciously, she recognizes her rebellion for what it is, has no desire to rein it in, and realizes that this makes her unfit to be wife material. HOW MANY OF THE CHURCHIAN WIVES IN THE ROOM WITH HER WOULD/COULD BE SO HONEST? NEARLY ALL OF THEM ARE IN THE SAME STATE OF OVERT REBELLION, AND YET NOT ONE THAT I KNOW OF HAS EVER BEEN AS HONEST ABOUT IT AS THIS WOMAN, WHO IS PROBABLY A NON-BELIEVER.

  69. BillyS says:

    feeriker,

    I was listing to a Christian music station (Light Praise) today and I thought that my wife may listen to it without any tweaking of her conscience (it is live in the area where she is living now and her mom (in the same area) listened to it quite a bit). Many in the church only see the blessings of God, not the requirements. This is widespread and not limited to any of the things that are often put down by commenters here (like prosperity, etc.).

    We need much more preaching like what you mention, but it is unlikely to happen any time soon in most churches, even places like the RCC which is often mentioned as a haven. The culture is too pervasive and some major shock will be needed to change that, unfortunately.

    The associated pastor at my previous church preached a message about divorce not being an option (as the final part of a series by the main pastor on marriage). He made a slight comment about some wives “eating too many twinkies,” but it was clear that went over like a rock and he quickly went onto something else. I can’t remember all the details, but he defended saying very little about women with the fact it was a short sermon.

    I am sure even that comment offended enough to bring heat back on him. That was the only comment I heard there in several years that even came close to holding women accountable.

  70. feeriker says:

    I am sure even that comment offended enough to bring heat back on him

    His own wife is a ball-busting landwhale, so yes, he did quickly backpedal. He probably also got taken to the woodshed when he got home that afternoon.

    So sadly typical of “Christian” marriages today, even among elders and pastors. It will be very interesting to see on Judgment Day how God deals with “the faithful” who, in this life, decided that His laws and commandments on marriage were “archaic,” “optional,” or, worst of all, an embarrassmrnt to be avoided even in discussion of Scripture.

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  72. BillyS says:

    His wife was not that large, though she was definitely not thin. He did not seem to have a proper view of her true standing in the area of looks and attractiveness.

    He was one of the few that spent some time talking with me after my divorce, but his views were thoroughly blue pill and he didn’t really want to know differently.

    Nice guy, but off focus and blind in some key areas.

  73. Clark Kant says:

    @Casey “cock-sure”

    Heh.

    Maybe the various headline changes are A/B testing. Most news sites live and die by click-through rates so only the best clickbait headlines are required.

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