Percent of births out of wedlock by age and race of of mother.

I’ve done a quick scan of the latest US data I could find on out of wedlock births, and some of the data is very interesting.  The first thing that surprised* me is that the percent of births out of wedlock leveled off and even declined very slightly after 2009.  You can see this in Figure 1 from the 2014 NCHS data brief Recent Declines in Nonmarital Childbearing in the United States:

db162_fig1

The chart above only goes through 2013, but according to this January 2017 National Vital Statistics Report the trend has continued through at least 2015, the last year we currently have data for:

The percentage of all births to unmarried women was 40.3%
in 2015, similar to the 2014 percentage of 40.2% in 2014, the
lowest levels since 2007. The percentage of all births to unmarried
women peaked in 2009 at 41.0%. In 2015, the percentage of
nonmarital births varied widely among population groups, from
16.4% for API mothers to 70.6% for non-Hispanic black mothers
(Table 15).

Table 15 is itself quite interesting because it gives us some context for cases like Sarah Lenti’s.  For women of all races, the percent of births out of wedlock starts at or near 100% for the youngest cohorts, and declines dramatically as you look at older cohorts through the early 30s.  At this point the pattern diverges by race.  For Black women, the drop continues after the early 30s, but at a much slower rate.  For Hispanic women, the percent of births out of wedlock declines slightly in their late 30s and then remains flat. For White and Asian women, after declining less quickly in their late 30s, the percentage of births out of wedlock not only stops declining but actually increases for women over 40:

oow_age_race_2015

Here is the same data, but only focusing on White and Asian women and dropping the teenage brackets:

oow_age_race_2015_zoom

From the data, it does look like we are seeing a spike of aging White and Asian career women intentionally deciding to go it alone at the last minute after failing to find a husband.  The spike isn’t huge in absolute terms, but the pattern is easy to spot.  The same pattern exists in the 2013 version of the same table:

oow_age_race_2013_zoom

Zeroing in just on White women, despite the fact that the overall percentage of births out of wedlock declined very slightly between 2013 and 2015, the percentage increased in this time period for all older age brackets:

oow_age_white_2013_2015_zoom

The youngest brackets aren’t included in the chart above, but the only age brackets to decline between 2013 and 2015 were ages 15 and 16:

oow_age_white_2013_2015_teens

*I had forgotten about the data I shared in this post two years ago.

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  2. Minesweeper says:

    all hail feminist progress from 4% to 40% in our lifetime, we can only wonder what they have left in store.

  3. Mark says:

    These women are retarded. The only thing that they are doing is increasing the welfare roles.The only thing that they are good for is booty calls.My own experience is that they are very eager to get a man into their bed hoping that he will buy the goods long term…..which almost never happens.

  4. Minesweeper says:

    @mark, the end of civilisation beckons. if you say to women we will pay you to have kids, they will. Its a level of stupidy and short slightness that men just cant fathom.

  5. TinaRoper14 says:

    Reblogged this on A White Woman's Perspective.

  6. Max Cash says:

    Love this site. The observations/analysis on sometimes sparse available data really deserve a new descriptor ‘Dalrockesque’.

  7. Anonymous Reader says:

    Great posting, real data is always preferable to all the anecdotes we can come up with.
    Some of the upper 30’s and over 40 women may also be women hitting the wall who finally land on a Beta, or women who are 2nd wives, or career women who stopped hitting the “snooze” button on their biological alarm clock. It will be interesting to see what the more recent data looks like when it’s available, the impression I have is of declining birth rate across the board. How that shakes out in terms of married vs. unmarried isn’t clear.

  8. Dalrock says:

    @Max Cash

    Love this site. The observations/analysis on sometimes sparse available data really deserve a new descriptor ‘Dalrockesque’.

    Thanks! Welcome.

    @Anon Reader

    Great posting, real data is always preferable to all the anecdotes we can come up with.

    Thank you.

    Some of the upper 30’s and over 40 women may also be women hitting the wall who finally land on a Beta, or women who are 2nd wives, or career women who stopped hitting the “snooze” button on their biological alarm clock.

    I’m not sure I follow. If they are married and having children, they would push the OOW birth % the other direction.

    It will be interesting to see what the more recent data looks like when it’s available, the impression I have is of declining birth rate across the board. How that shakes out in terms of married vs. unmarried isn’t clear.

    I think you are right. I think the recession made unplanned pregnancies more frightening (encouraging more diligence with birth control), and convinced the planners to (on the margin) hold off on having children for a while. However, the aging unmarried career women didn’t have the luxury of holding off, so they were less deterred. If this is right, when the more recent data finally rolls in I would expect a jump in overall births and a resumption in the 5+ decade steady increase in the percentage of births out of wedlock.

    The other stat that will be interesting is the trend regarding cohabitation for unwed mothers that I shared two years ago. For the 2000s at least, it appears that the increase in the out of wedlock birth percentage was driven to a significant degree by a move from marriage to cohabitation.

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  10. To Dalrock and others who might be interested, I did a post on my own website Secular Patriarchy about this subject of Out-of-Wedlock births surprisingly not rising after 2009.

    Out-of-Wedlock Births Plateau and maybe begin Decline
    https://secularpatriarchy.wordpress.com/2016/01/15/out-of-wedlock-births-plateau-and-maybe-begin-decline/

    Actually several social indicators have been showing improvement since around 2009. The proportion of the population in prison has been falling since 2008. Out-of-Wedlock births have been falling slightly since 2009. Married women in the workforce has been falling rapidly since 2009 (61.4% of married women in the workforce in 2009 down to 58.4% in the workforce in 2014). The divorce rate has fallen from 52.6% in 2010 down to 44.8% in 2015. All these statistics being for the United States. Shockingly it seems like indicators of social breakdown may have peaked in 2009 after increasing relentlessly ever since 1870.

  11. Son of Liberty says:

    Shocker. Anybody who understands the playbook of societal destabilization, especially towards a nation where it hosts the largest population of Evangelical Christians, should come to no surprise that these things of demoralization (ex-Soviet Yuri Bezmenov) through the CIA, which its foundations have been Masonic and controlled by the Jesuit Order of Rome, have caused a wonderful and dream-come-true destruction of America. After all, the CIA (Catholics Inquisition Agency) have funded, organized and orchestrated the feminism movement (Gloria Steinem: How the CIA Used Feminism to Destabilize Society), abortion clinics and sexualized Hollywood propaganda since its inception in California (Jesuit Theater and Occultism).

    It took all 19th century to take over our Constitution and finances to fractional banking slavery and interest usury, once complete, the entire 20th century was dedicated to destroying the Christian family values of this nation, and let me tell you, they’ve done it. Will it take a reset? A MOAR (Mother of All Reset) as mentioned by a previous poster or will it take us men to expose who has Washington controlled along with the marriage laws and anti male enforcement structures and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT?

    Vatican / Jesuits / Catholic Church Control CIA
    Washington In the Lap of Rome

  12. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    The proportion of the population in prison has been falling since 2008.

    Due to prison overcrowding, Californian passed Prop 47, which has 1. released lots of “non-violent” felons before their sentences ran up, and 2. recategorized many “minor” crimes from felony to misdemeanor.

    Property crime has increased heavily in California these past few years.

    http://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/An-explosion-of-California-property-crimes-6922062.php

  13. Opus says:

    Dalrock’s 04.39 comment makes the point that I had been proposing to make, namely that the figures do not reflect cohabitation.

    It seems to me that each generation approaches the problem of marriage and reproduction slightly differently. When I was young this is what happened: there was an arms race amongst women to acquire a boyfriend; then to prove that were not just allowing themselves to ‘be used’ the girls would persuade the boyfriend to agree that at some later specified time he would propose. All this whilst still at school. The time for the engagement arriving the girl would then be able to flash a ring. Some time later – possibly whilst still at school – they would marry and then as true victims of the Patrarchy they would some six months later divorce and resume the hunt for Mr Right. Now however it is different, thus: they ride the Carousel until they land a Beta with whom they have a child although it is quite possible that Mr Beta takes on the burden of a a female already with child. They then have a few more children and thus being convinced that the relationship is watertight they marry – then six months late they divorce.

    Slight error in the title Dalrock. Also slightly puzzled as to how births to those less than sixteen years of age can be other than 100% unmarried. I am sure there is some explanation.

  14. Asker says:

    Is the data based solely on the marital status at birth?
    In other words a couple that would never marry but stay together and raise children together would fall into “out of wedlock” while a couple divorcing at six months of child´s age would be n the other group?
    Not doubting interpretations nor the data, jusk asking.

    [D: Yes. I touched on this topic here.]

  15. Heidi_storage says:

    @Opus With parental or judicial permission, girls as young as 14 can get married in many states.

  16. gary Eden says:

    Budget battles in Congress loomed around that date. This may be a reflexion of doubt over whether daddy government could pay up.

  17. “Mark says:
    May 5, 2017 at 2:02 pm
    These women are retarded. The only thing that they are doing is increasing the welfare roles.”

    They’re also increasing the number of future voters for the Democratic Party (Socialist Party, actually).

  18. Oscar says:

    @ Take The Red Pill says:
    May 6, 2017 at 9:43 am

    “They’re also increasing the number of future voters for the Democratic Party… ”

    Bingo! If you look at who votes most for Democrats, and you realize that they don’t care if the country burns as long as they get to rule over the ashes, their political positions make perfect sense.

    The Republicans, on the other hand..,

  19. 7824 says:

    Threre are some nuts posting on this topic….

  20. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    New feminist talking point: Republican healthcare bill is pro-rapist, anti-rape victim: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/under-the-new-healthcare-bill-rape-could-be-a-pre-existing-condition_us_590b3773e4b0bb2d0875ea54

    I saw a Sarah Silverman tweet saying that under the GOP healthcare bill, “Being a rape victim is a pre-existing condition. Being a rapist is not.”

    Well, of course being a rapist is not a pre-existing condition. Neither is being a plumber or a chess player. None of those things have anything to do with a pre-existing medical condition. But trying to talk logic to a feminist will only unleash hysteria and hate.

  21. 7824 says:

    Hello Tina,
    Are you a neo-nazi or just a fellow traveller?
    https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1025732/

  22. TheLastCoyote says:

    Maybe some of the numbers have stayed steady or declined a bit since whenever, but that is still a whole bunch of out-of-wedlock births. The numbers have been high enough for so long that people are just kind of desensitized to it.

  23. The Jack Russell Terrorist says:

    Out of wedlock is also decreasing due to the fact that some men are wising up finally and realise the dangers.

  24. Anon says:

    Remember that if a woman uses a sperm donor and goes it alone, cuckservatives feel cheated, as there is no man to inflict an imputation and threat of prison on.

    It is exactly how they also feel cheated by more men not dying on sinking ships, even if it does not save additional women.

    Lenti, as bad as she is, has actually denied cuckservatives of their preferred opportunity for slavery and abuse of a man.

  25. Gunner Q says:

    Jesse Powell TFA @ May 5, 2017 at 6:19 pm:
    “The divorce rate has fallen from 52.6% in 2010 down to 44.8% in 2015.”

    Probably due to the fact that most of the men who get married anymore are the ones making heroic efforts to cherrypick and pre-train in Venusian arts.

  26. Trust says:

    @The Jack Russell Terrorist says:
    Out of wedlock is also decreasing due to the fact that some men are wising up finally and realize the dangers.
    ________________

    With all respect, and I may have believe what you just said a few years ago, you’ve fallen for the “it takes two fallacy” there. The illegitimacy rate is largely independent of men wising up, since a woman will always be able to find a man to impregnate her. You may have fewer deadbeat dads, but you will have more kids per deadbeat dad.

    It takes a change in the behavior of women. That isn’t to let irresponsible men off the hook, it is simply a biological reality.

    Plus, the rate can’t go over a 100%, so their is a limit to its growth.

  27. It appears 7824 is a troll. Dalrock, please ban.

  28. Anonymous Reader says:

    Dalrock
    I’m not sure I follow. If they are married and having children, they would push the OOW birth % the other direction.

    That’s me being careless or brain faded. Duh.

    Not all women at that age need to go the IVF route or get themselves artificially inseminated.
    They can find a “sperm donor” on their own, and if they are their own beta it can be done as a short term fling. I know of women who have apparently done this. “Apparently” because I don’t know them well enough to say for sure, I just look at the evidence with my deerstalker hat on.

    Then they become babymommas by choice, which gives them an excuse to other women on the dating scene, “Oh, so hard to find a babysitter, men are so insecure” etc. Thus they exit the carousel, landing on a beta but really the “beta” is themselves.

    Or they can have a longer term affair that still is just an LTR by any other name. Still unmarried mother even if the sperm donor gets to hang around the house from time to time. What is the cohabitiation rate for women over 40, I wonder? Where would we find that?

    Less careless and more clearer, I hope.

  29. Opus says:

    It occurred to me last night that there was previously a term used meaning pretty much what we now mean by the word Mangina – Sissy. Given that the latter word has far more sting than the former…

  30. Jim says:

    I don’t think those words are anywhere near the same

  31. Yet Another Commenter, Yet Another Comment ("Yac-Yac") says:

    Opus, “Sissy” is about a fear of confronting dangerous-seeming things, despite any genuine danger, but “Mangina” is about an insistence on defending female-oriented things, despite any obvious defensibility — IMHO.

  32. “Anon says:
    May 6, 2017 at 1:41 pm
    Remember that if a woman uses a sperm donor and goes it alone, cuckservatives feel cheated, as there is no man to inflict an imputation and threat of prison on…”

    It’s pretty much the same reason that the Feminists and the Carousel Riders HATE the rise in the numbers of ‘Men Going Their Own Way’ (besides the fact that there won’t be any ‘Captain Save-A-‘ho’ for a Carousel Rider after she smacks into ‘The Wall’ and gets forced off the Carousel): every man who refuses to marry, is another man that has somehow ‘cheated’ at least one “strong, independent Woman Who Doesn’t Need A Man” out of a divorce.

  33. feministhater says:

    I thought Dalrock might be interested that Lauren Southern linked his “More grim news for carousellers hoping to jump at the last minute.” in the description of one of her videos, amongst many other links.

    Just in case you’re wondering why the traffic has increased. It’s a good video and generally gets the point across.

    A little too late to the party though, haha!

  34. Scott says:

    Someone please stop me. I can’t stop being an oppressive patriarchal monster.

    https://americandadweb.wordpress.com/2017/05/07/sometimes-it-looks-like-this/

    Carry on.

  35. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    every man who refuses to marry, is another man that has somehow ‘cheated’ at least one “strong, independent Woman Who Doesn’t Need A Man” out of a divorce.

    This clip from Woody Allen’s 1975 comedy, Love and Death, was ahead of its time:

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  37. Johnycomelately says:

    “Every man who refuses to marry, is another man that has somehow ‘cheated’ at least one “strong, independent Woman Who Doesn’t Need A Man” out of a divorce.”

    The real problem is that upper tier financially successful men are locked out the remarriage market due to the financial hit of divorce and child payments.

    At the lower economic strata alpha baby daddies effectively hoard the women via impregnation whereas at the upper strata attractive divorcees effectively hoard the viable men through child support obligations. A remarried divorcee effectively knocks out two men for the rest of the female population.

  38. AnonS says:

    ” For the 2000s at least, it appears that the increase in the out of wedlock birth percentage was driven to a significant degree by a move from marriage to cohabitation.”

    When Marriage 1.0 is outlawed, only outlaws will get married.

  39. Damn Crackers says:

    With the ubiquity of pornography now, it’s amazing anyone has kids anymore. I think most children’s sex education leads them to believe that the act ends anywhere EXCEPT where it is supposed to be in a woman.

  40. 7824 says:

    If being opposed to Neo-Nazis like Billy Roper and his wife Tina makes me a troll, I’d be happy to live under a bridge.

  41. 7824 says:

    Tina, do you support the 9/11 terrorist attacks like your husband Billy? Inquiring minds want to know.

    “Anyone who is willing to drive a plane into a building to kill Jews is alright by me.”

    https://www.arktimes.com/arkansas/white-power/Content?oid=964478

  42. Morgan says:

    Think about all the effort that is required to sustain the feminist machine. I feel like once the birth control pill came out, we had this sexual revolution based on the premise that now women could have sex responsibly with whomever they chose. So instead of men working hard and even marrying to get sex, we got a bunch of women having sex with the man of the day with zero effort. And instead of opening a world of responsible family planning, we actually got saddled with sky rocketing abortion rates, sky rocketing out of wedlock babies, sky rocketing divorce, and sky rocketing child support payments. That is the family planning that feminists paved the way for.

  43. Anonymous Reader says:

    Think about all the effort that is required to sustain the feminist machine.

    Indeed, it’s rather like pumping water out of a deep mine underground. Or maintaining an artificial lake on top of a hill in an arid land. Dalrock has explored this a bit.

    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2016/07/09/entropy-and-the-pumps/
    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2016/10/19/the-hum-of-the-pumps/

  44. I can see why such charts and graphs about out-of-wedlock births at age 40+ might make older women feel more empowered and more defiant.
    Well, good for them.
    Female solipsism for the win!:

    https://mchb.hrsa.gov/whusa10/hstat/mh/pages/237mm.html

  45. @Johnycomelately
    “The real problem is that upper tier financially successful men are locked out the remarriage market due to the financial hit of divorce and child payments.”

    Yes, the unmarried alpha males and divorced refuse males are probably hoarding all of the sex from women aged 18-38 right now.

    One other demographic to consider are those “financially successful men” who are in fact still married right now, but who would divorce their wives in a second if only they could.

    The termination clause of a modern marriage for men is so horrific and destructive, we tend to dismiss out of hand the fact that although 40% of all remaining marriages “survive”, most are doing only that….surviving. The majority of married men I know personally are miserable in their marriages. The rest are pretty much underwhelmed with it. I have never met a married man who was elated, though I’m told they do exist.

    Within their own harrowing existence these men cannot possibly realize that they too are actually denying some “strong, independent woman(R)” out there of her very own little “divorce and cash & prizes” experience.

  46. SirHamster says:

    One other demographic to consider are those “financially successful men” who are in fact still married right now, but who would divorce their wives in a second if only they could.

    Men not divorcing their wives is not a problem. Men do not need to break faith with their wives, though many may need to take charge of their marriage, and to be encouraged by the society their labors support.

  47. Yet Another Commenter, Yet Another Comment ("Yac-Yac") says:

    May 8, 2017 at 3:26 pm, constrainedlocus shared some really interesting stats.

    Interesting enough to prompt me to go scrounge the internet for more. To my surprise, there are actually three relevant pages in Wikipedia that are relevant to it (I tried to search in Infogalactic, on account of it gives many commenters here That Feelz Where trust, but it kept crashing in my browser). Here are the relevant links:

    Advanced maternal age (scroll to the section entitled “Risk of birth defects”);
    Chromosome abnormality; and,
    Down syndrome.

    The actual statistical numbers for risk at different maternal ages are not the same numbers as in constrainedlocus‘ comment, but they are more or less in the same ballpark.

  48. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    feministhater, after you posted the Lauren Southern video, I Googled her. Didn’t know who she was. I learned that she was recently punched by Antifa in London — and the police did nothing:

  49. @SirHamster
    “Men not divorcing their wives is not a problem. Men do not need to break faith with their wives, though many may need to take charge of their marriage, and to be encouraged by the society their labors support.”

    I don’t disagree necessarily with the above.
    Most western men today are heavily conditioned from a young age to show significant levels of deference and yielding to females at school, at work and in all social settings and interactions. This kind of deferential, cow-tied conditioning often carries over into sexual and long term relationships and marriage with their wife.
    This means “taking charge” is too often not done by husbands at the forefront of the relationship. When husbands attempt to take the helm in the middle of a marriage, the first mate (the wife) may freak out, having no confidence in the captain’s staying power in that role. So such attempts often fail, lead to arguments and distrust, depending on the wife’s maturity, perceptions and comfort level. Most wives want their husbands to “take charge” and lead. But absent that she’ll commandeer the wheel.

    As for men not divorcing their wives and it not being a problem, I think it depends.
    Men don’t divorce wives mostly for fear of the almost certain emotional, legal and financial consequences of doing so, which are nothing short of a living hell on earth for men.
    Against this threat, a lot of husbands keep their heads down and attempt to comply to survive.
    Wives for the most part face no such threats, and they know it. She does not dread that he will leave, and she has no incentive to improve her behavior, attitude, gratitude, treatment or generosity toward him within the marriage.
    I view this as a pervasive problem in most marriages of the west..
    There are effective strategies that husbands can employ to address such situations and behaviors, but they don’t always work.

  50. Minesweeper says:

    @constrainedlocus , the male initiated divorce rate is very low about 10% or so of the divorces. Although all the stats gathered seem to show somehow its almost equal. But if your in the field of watching it all happen to you and your friends\church\family etc.

    If you can find a man who initiated a separation due to being unable to stand anymore of his wife, then shake his hand, he is part of that rare 10%.

    The other 90% are generally made up of women either not happy or having affairs. And they will be lauded for imitating separation.

    One big thing missing from the divorce stats is that men are generally made to pay for the divorce (as part of her settlement!), this leads to him causing\wanting the divorce on the official form. In reality, he has been backed into a corner and as usual he has to pay for everything she damm well wants. As has been common during their entire marriage.

    So no wonder the true stats never gets out, its all hidden and they know it well.

  51. Minesweeper says:

    @constrainedlocus , if the state gives any incentive for wives to divorce their husbands/destroy family for their (selfish and immediate) benefit they will do so, if they give them any incentive to aborting\destroying their unborn children for their (selfish and immediate) benefit, they will do so.

    in short, women are very easily led by the flimsiest of notions. And rarely understand the depth of anything. I’ve known women in church who basically shrugged off their abortions with “well I didnt understand/I was misled”, really ? even a brain damaged retarded male can understand, having your kid killed inside of you actually means your killing your kid. But not these women, not at all.

    Its like something truly is missing (somewhere). If anything, feminism has shown that women really do need men in charge of them. Aside from that, they behave like retarded idiots.

  52. SirHamster says:

    As for men not divorcing their wives and it not being a problem, I think it depends.
    Men don’t divorce wives mostly for fear of the almost certain emotional, legal and financial consequences of doing so, which are nothing short of a living hell on earth for men.

    Our society’s failures are not due to a lack of men-initiated divorces.

    The fix is not in changing who initiates divorce. It is in restoring marriage in our culture and how men and women relate to each other.

    This is the Christian perspective. God hates divorce. Having divorces “done right” is still divorce.
    We should not have any divorce at all – but our hearts are hard.

  53. “God hates divorce”

    I’ve have always found it fascinating how God would create us humans sick, broken and imperfect, but under the penalty of an everlasting lake of fire demand that we be well.
    Alas, no matter how much we would pray for guidance, we remain imperfect, prone to bias and frequent error. This is the way of men that cannot be avoided.

    Sometimes I think what hardens our hearts in this context is God Himself and His retributive, arbitrary rule making that would instruct us to stay the course in a passionless swamp of a marriage until death, for what? To earn some redeemable coupons for an upgraded suite in Valhalla? Maybe such trials and painful experiences are God telling us or guiding us to something else?

    What softens hearts in Christianity is forgiveness, love and mercy.
    And many marriages today remain intact, but utterly devoid of all three.

  54. Samuel Culpepper says:

    Minesweeper:

    Your comment re: abortion reminds me of something my wife has said on a number of occasions when the topic of past promiscuity was discussed . . . she is fond of saying “when you know better you do better” or some nonsense like this. Essentially, she implies that she needed someone to spoon feed the bible to her (even though she was raised in the church) otherwise how was she to know that inserting multiple cocks in her vagina was wrong and physically/spiritually destructive! It still amazes me how modern women are devoid of any accountability and introspection re: their own behaviors/actions.

  55. SirHamster says:

    I’ve have always found it fascinating how God would create us humans sick, broken and imperfect, but under the penalty of an everlasting lake of fire demand that we be well.

    Where does God demand that we be well? Do you mean like when Jesus told the cripple to walk, or the blind to see, or the leper to be clean?

    Support your charge against God as cruel taskmaster if you can. I, on the other hand, find it literally damning how ungrateful we are for what God gives us, myself included.

    Sometimes I think what hardens our hearts in this context is God Himself and His retributive, arbitrary rule making that would instruct us to stay the course in a passionless swamp of a marriage until death, for what?

    Who built the passionless swamp? I don’t blame God for my self-inflicted miseries. Stop trying to justify the hardness of your own heart. God is Just in His judgment, and we are not.

    What softens hearts in Christianity is forgiveness, love and mercy.
    And many marriages today remain intact, but utterly devoid of all three.

    Clearly the only thing to do to such a marriage is divorce. Man’s wisdom in seeking divorce is greater than the foolishness of God in hating it.

  56. feministhater says:

    feministhater, after you posted the Lauren Southern video, I Googled her. Didn’t know who she was. I learned that she was recently punched by Antifa in London — and the police did nothing:

    She goes looking for trouble and then gets in trouble. It’s funny to watch. Not the assault mind you but the silly back and forth banter between her and the SJWS. Don’t feel too much pity for her, it’s part of the job description. We would all do well to remember that leftists are not constrained by social mores like we are. The law comes down on us like a ton of bricks if we don’t constrain ourselves.

    The police have their arms tied by their masters. Things will get far worse before they get better.

  57. feministhater says:

    The frightening thing is them wearing those masks. That is illegal in many countries and I don’t get why they get away with it. It is done with the sole purpose of committing the crimes of assault/battery without being identified.

  58. Gunner Q says:

    SirHamster @ 2:38 pm:
    “Where does God demand that we be well?”

    Matt. 5:48.

    “Support your charge against God as cruel taskmaster if you can.”

    That’s what Job’s Comforters said. Speak of the devil, Job’s answer is my answer. Also Ecclesiastes 1:13.

    “Who built the passionless swamp?”

    Eve. Adam was so DTF that he left God to stay available even though she’d already traded him in. Stupid cucky.

  59. mikediver5 says:

    There is no legal way for a man to take charge in the marriage in the presence of the divorce threat. The women know they can strip a man bare and leave him in the gutter, or prison, any time they please, so they have no incentive to submit to anything. Then you have the churches, and the rest of society, supporting her in believing that any attempt my her husband to take charge of the marriage is abuse.

  60. SirHamster says:

    Matt. 5:48.

    Children of the Father are called to be perfect like the Father.

    “Support your charge against God as cruel taskmaster if you can.”

    That’s what Job’s Comforters said. Speak of the devil, Job’s answer is my answer. Also Ecclesiastes 1:13.

    “Then Job replied to the LORD: “I know that you can do all things; no purpose of yours can be thwarted. You asked, ‘Who is this that obscures my plans without knowledge?’ Surely I spoke of things I did not understand, things too wonderful for me to know. “You said, ‘Listen now, and I will speak; I will question you, and you shall answer me.’ My ears had heard of you but now my eyes have seen you. Therefore I despise myself and repent in dust and ashes.””

    “Who built the passionless swamp?”

    Eve. Adam was so DTF that he left God to stay available even though she’d already traded him in. Stupid cucky.

    Women do ruin everything. I’d advise against repeating Adam’s excuse, though: “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”

    And take note of God’s judgment: “Because you listened to your wife …”

    So don’t.

  61. BillyS says:

    God made Adam with a deep love for his wife and it was an example of what the Last Adam (Jesus) did for us.

    That doesn’t mean voluntarily cucking yourself is wise, but it is not smart to diss a man acting in alignment with God’s plan.

  62. Gunner Q says:

    ” I’d advise against repeating Adam’s excuse, though”

    I would advise against blaming the victim. I even pointed you at Job, a righteous man whose life was torn apart with God’s explicit authorization and who then was infamously blamed by his friends for deserving it, and you blew straight past.

    I’m not throwing these lines out just to talk. It’s normal and healthy for men to get frustrated with Christianity. The proper response is encouragement not blame. Constrainedlocus sounds like he’s there right now so I spoke up a little for him.

  63. Frank K says:

    “The police have their arms tied by their masters.”

    Absolutely. And right now the globalist Davos crowd is terrified that their puppets will be replaced by populists, who they have relabeled as “Fascists”. Macron did win in France, but if he can’t do something about the poor economy and Islamic violence (and I doubt he can), Le Pen and her party might eventually win. Right now, the only countries in Europe that don’t have an Islamic problem (like Hungary) are being pressured by the EU to import Muslims (which the Hungarians refuse to do). And of course the Hungarians are being labeled as “right wing”, “racist” and of course “fascist”

    The globalists will not accept defeat.

  64. feeriker says:

    The globalists will not accept defeat.

    Neither did Adolf Hitler or Nicolae Ceaucescu, to name just two, but defeat found them anyway. Same thing awaits the current crop of (((globalists))).

  65. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Frank K: Right now, the only countries in Europe that don’t have an Islamic problem (like Hungary) are being pressured by the EU to import Muslims (which the Hungarians refuse to do).

    Poland is another. And I’d heard that, shortly after winning, Macron urged the EU to impose economic sanctions on Poland if it does not accept its “fair share” of refugees.

    One wonders:

    1. Why isn’t Saudi Arabia (and other wealthy Arab states) being excoriated for refusing to accept Muslim refugees?

    2. For that matter, why isn’t wealthy Israel (right next door to Syria) being excoriated by the press for refusing its “fair share” of refugees?

  66. AnonS says:

    Learned about this today, seems like a good strategy to look into pre-marriage.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpagliarini/2014/05/15/how-to-protect-yourself-in-a-divorce-using-a-domestic-asset-protection-trust/#e8e16e63cb65

    “This is possible because a handful of states (currently 15) have specifically allowed this structure (even if you don’t live in one of the states you can still take advantage of their laws). One of the better states to consider is Nevada because they allow no “exception creditors.” In the other states, they allow some certain creditors to attach your assets – the states block most creditors but allow a few exceptions to gain access to your assets. For example, a state may block all creditors but not spouses. Having your trust and assets in this state would shield you from attachment in a lawsuit, but not in a divorce. This is why the Nevada Asset Protection Trust (NAPT) has grown in popularity for protecting assets in a divorce.

    However, not all assets are appropriate for a DAPT/NAPT – especially if you do not live in the state in which you have the trust. For example, real assets such as a house in California may not be a good choice since the asset itself is in California and not Nevada. Better assets to transfer into a Domestic Asset Protection Trust or Nevada Asset Protection Trust would be cash, stocks, bonds, mutual funds and other non-real assets that can be held in Nevada.”

  67. Opus says:

    It saddens me that these days it is usually impossible to tell the difference between Christians and Marxists (the extreme left, the loony left, Mr Saunders). I commented at Facebook :’you are not a Christian, you are a Marxists’. Strangely this did not seem to offend. I now realise that I must be a Nazi, and so I googled to see if there were a Nazi Anonymous with hopefully a twelve-step plan the first step being that one must acknowledge that one is Nazi. I could not find such an organisation.

    If the Gospels are really indistinguishable from Marxism how come no one noticed this until the writing of the bearded one whose mortal remains now rests in Highgate cemetary?

  68. SirHamster says:

    I would advise against blaming the victim. I even pointed you at Job, a righteous man whose life was torn apart with God’s explicit authorization and who then was infamously blamed by his friends for deserving it, and you blew straight past.

    Pointing out that God hates divorce and shutting down rationalization otherwise is not blaming the victim.

    “In all this Job did not sin or charge God with wrong.”

    Job did not choose his suffering. God even calls him righteous. But even he had no grounds to criticize God’s actions or contend with Him as a peer.

    “Sometimes I think what hardens our hearts in this context is God Himself and His retributive, arbitrary rule making that would instruct us to stay the course in a passionless swamp of a marriage until death”

    I missed the era in America when God forced men to make lifelong vows within arranged marriages. If only God didn’t hate divorce, we would not be stuck with the God-inflicted misery of passionless marriage swamps.

    The proper response is encouragement not blame.

    Do men need validation instead of truth? The man who sees God as a cruel master out to harm him has no rescue.

    That passionless swamp of marriage may reek of death, but is life for the men who loses his life there for Christ.

  69. Oscar says:

    66 men talk about the downsides of being a man.

    http://thoughtcatalog.com/thought-catalog/2017/04/it-sucks-to-be-a-man-66-guys-explain-why-2/

    Most of their reasons are typical, but some are very surprising.

  70. Water Cannon Boy says:

    Out of wedlock births dropped along with teens not having sex as much. And that has been influenced by the social media validation obsession, Female sexuality is more commodified now. Open hypergamy, sugar sites, facebook and instagram likes. You combine that with obesity rates, the anti-masculine everything. You get a drop in pregnancy rates, a drop in dating frequency, and a drop in overall male/female interaction. Not just the stigmatized aspects of it like unwanted pregnancies.
    You get Japan. Or at least Seattle.

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