Unfit for a real relationship.

For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.

–Mat 19:12 ESV

RealDoll’s Matt McMullen describes the target audience for the coming generation of lifelike sex dolls*:

There are a lot of people out there, for one reason or another, who have difficulty forming traditional relationships with other people. It’s really all about giving those people some level of companionship – or the illusion of companionship.

From this point of view, the sex doll is a masculine counterpart to the slew of technical, cultural, and legal innovations we have made for women over recent decades.  While a large number of women still marry and remain married to a real life man, we have reordered our society around finding ways for women to have the benefits of marriage to a real man even when (for one reason or another) they are incapable of doing so.

Sarah Lenti’s recent opinion piece** at CNN offers a striking example of the female counterpart to the target market for lifelike sex dolls:

I am a single mother by choice. Yet I was raised in a Christian, conservative home, where I grew up believing in the traditional family unit. And I was taught that there was an order to achieving it. First, fall in love. Second, marry a man. Third, start a family.

Now in my fifth decade, only one has proven true for me — and it isn’t the first.

On the day that I turned 30, I journaled that I would think about becoming a mother should I still be single at 38. What that looked like, I didn’t exactly know. It was a promise to myself, maybe to God.

…Maybe a man could deny me love, but he would never deny me a child.

Having failed entirely to form a lasting bond with a real life man despite decades of sexual relationships, Lenti turned to IVF to give her sons whom she could use as a substitute:

But from my two little men, I quickly internalized that love is a verb. Love is an action and something you work at every single day…

Though I may never have a significant other, I do have my sons, who’ve taken me from unloved to loved and from unlovable to lovable. They’ve done this all on their own. They are my miracles, which I almost didn’t allow to happen because of heartbreak, self-doubt and maybe even self-loathing.

Prior to Eli and Abel, I wasted at least half of my adult life obsessing about things I had lost — men who broke my heart, clients who weren’t a good fit, friendships that had faded.

Lenti of course blames her own inability to form a bond with a real life man not on herself, but on men in general.  Yet she gives away the truth by inadvertently describing the kind of men she is attracted to.  By this I don’t mean her description of the physical attributes she requires in a man:

And so I began my search with a focus on the physical attributes that I have always been attracted to — namely height and athleticism. Six-foot-2 and toned was my baseline.

She gives it away when she is describing what she did to make herself attractive to men (emphasis mine):

Why have I lost that hope? Truth be told, I have been vulnerable with a few men pre- and post-pregnancy. But rejection upon rejection by man after man will do it to you. Even when you are that aloof gal, who doesn’t ask questions or have expectations of something real or long-term, it still ends. I guess you just lose your luster after awhile. It’s my reality, and it never changes.

Lenti is an addict of asshole game, and assumes that since she is only attracted to aloof jerks, men must be seeking this in a wife.  Good men seeking real commitment (lifetime marriage) don’t exist to Lenti, because she finds such men sexually repulsive.  But science and our culture have solutions for women like Lenti who are unable to form bonds with real life men, just like science (if not our culture) is working on a solution for men in a similar situation.

*H/T Jeff Strand
**H/T Novaseeker

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186 Responses to Unfit for a real relationship.

  1. Frank K says:

    “Good men seeking real commitment (lifetime marriage) don’t exist to Lenti, because she finds such men sexually repulsive.”

    She has plenty of company. And even if she can force herself to marry a nice beta, she will quickly regret it and frivorce him.

  2. Jo dason says:

    That is the part that worries me about this whole state of affairs…

    Take this Yiddish quote “stubbornness is the greatest ill”

    and mix it with our knowledge of the female psyche where they absolutely hate being Shamed, or feeling like the “runt of the litter” in their pack of hens…

    And even the women who can finally admit they messed up with their life decisions, will NOT teach or confess their situation or fault…

    It just perpetuates everything and will make this nonsense time we are in, last longer…

    Thanks for all your writing Dalrock, enjoy them…

  3. Damn Crackers says:

    “Lenti is an addict of asshole game, and assumes that since she is only attracted to aloof jerks, men must be seeking this in a wife.”

    ALL women are addicted to asshole, aloof game. It is their nature. The problem is that societies found ways to make as many men as possible “aloof assholes” or leaders over women.

    The Levelers not only ruined Western Civ., but maybe even the human race itself.

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  5. Damn Crackers says:

    Sp. Levellers. Damned spell check!

  6. Opus says:

    They used to have a name for women such as Ms Lentil – Courtesan – and there are of course a number of pieces for the lyric theatre bewailing the fate of such as they. In Act 1 everything is fine, men dance attendance, however by Act 2 things are not going so well – the man is younger than she and probably strays or is given a stern lecture by a representative of the Patriarchy – his Dad – and then in Act 3 so as to end the whole charade and to enable everyone to catch the last train home the heroine succumbs to an incurable disease or jumps from a high tower or something of that sort because in those days there was no IVF, Planned Parenthood, or strong empowered women breaking through the Glass Ceiling to advise the Secretary of State on how best to bomb the Libyans. They never translate even when singing in English the title of La Traviata* (or La Rondine which has a similar plot): is this so as not to offend the sensibilities of the females in the audience? Tomorrow we can move on to American G.I.s abandoning underage geishas and the fate that awaits such unfortunate females. Sayanora.

    * The Fallen Woman

  7. Anon says:

    RealDoll’s Matt McMullen describes the target audience for the coming generation of lifelike sex dolls

    Side note. Remember that sexbots/dolls will not go anywhere. It is VR sex that will be the killer app, due to multiple advantages we have discussed before.

    Sexbots/dolls serve as a useful target for all the ‘feminists’ to target and waste their time on, until VR sex is too far along for them to stop.

  8. Anon says:

    Sarah Lenti, the typical ‘conservative’ woman who is supposedly against ‘feminism’.

  9. thedeti says:

    This is the next step. Not satisfied with pet dogs or pet cats, and having said animals treated as “babies”, women are now going for pet children.

    Instead of going to the animal shelter or the pet store, women are going to the fertility clinic or (much less often) the adoption agency. The fertility clinic is necessary of course so she can design her own thoroughbred child with alpha genes she selects. Or she can just do it the old fashioned way, pick out a young stud, and have him impregnate her. The adoption agency is for virtue signaling.

    Pet children – when a dog or a cat just won’t do.

  10. redcastle600 says:

    In addition to destroying abortion clinics, add the destruction of sperm banks as well.

    Make it a little harder for wimmins to get Uncle Sam Daddy to be their provider

    Kinda funny poor ol’ Uncle Sam is the biggest beta cuck known to man

  11. PokeSalad says:

    This is the next step. Not satisfied with pet dogs or pet cats, and having said animals treated as “babies”, women are now going for pet children.

    Hollywood leads the way, as usual….just ask Angelina Jolie.

  12. Paul says:

    That’s an Oedipal situation waiting to happen if ever there was one.

  13. S. Chan says:

    There is a campaign against sex robots. The campaign’s web page is here:
    https://campaignagainstsexrobots.org/

    There are several stories in the media about this, including the following.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-34118482
    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2016/s4581407.htm
    https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/britishacademy/our-obsession-with-sex-robots-degrades-us-all

    The women most strongly opposed to sex robots generally seem to be women who greatly want men to be dependent upon them for sex. Feminist activists tend to be unattractive (there are studies demonstrating that). Hence, their motivation seems understandable: men do not much desire them; the only way that they can get a man, even for a short term, is when the man is desperate for sex, and that would no longer work if sex bots become common.

  14. Anonymous Reader says:

    Don’t forget how she worked so very hard to qualify herself, to be attractive to men:

    My life was great on paper. I had done all the right things. I went to Stanford for graduate school. I worked at the White House under Condoleezza Rice. I had the opportunity to travel the world. I had loving parents and two wonderful sisters.
    And yet I felt unloved — even unlovable. And also greatly conflicted.

    The standard track for middle class and upper middle class women. Degree, graduate degree, career, travel to collect lots of experiences, then finally the capstone of marriage.

    Being her own beta she can afford IVF, although odds are her two boys will have a difficult time, especially after they turn 12. The middle class woman with a degree in Sociology / Anthropology with a minor in Communications who gets some kind of government drone job won’t be able to hack that, the support network just won’t be there. But that won’t stop her from trying.

    The standard track of “college / more college / career THEN marriage” just fails in so many ways, starting with the false premise that women and men are the same except for baybees.

  15. The Question says:

    https://therationalmale.com/2013/11/20/the-brand-of-independence

    “I think it’s important for red pill men to internalize the popular idea of feminine independence. The true message that the Strong Independent Woman® brand embodies is independence from you, a man.”

  16. Fiddlesticks says:

    Those poor sons. They have the weight of the world on their shoulders, because their job in life is to Give Lonely Mommy Feely Goodies every single day. And this kind of lady will not hesitate to stoop to manipulation, clinginess, implied threats, tears etc to get what she expects out of them.

  17. Swanny River says:

    Really, would Piper or any of them do anything about a believer in their midst contemplating IVF? Maybe out of upper middle class embarrassment but that’s it. Their saltless response would’ve never uncovered or confronted the 6′ 2″ , athletic gorilla in the room of her rebellion.

  18. Swanny River says:

    Fiddlesticks, unfortunately, that would’ve still been their lot in life had she married a typical Christian, servant-leader man.

  19. Carolh says:

    OMG, she took an uber alone to the hospital and her personal trainer was the first person to visit. This is the saddest story I’ve ever read, they are literally crushing our dreams as women and making it sound romantic and a good example. I just hope this is not where we’re headed as a society.

  20. Anonymous Reader says:

    Fiddlesticks, the androsphere is littered with accounts of 20-something men who were raised by single mothers (by divorce, by choice, etc.) and they tend to be pretty awful. Worse yet are the accounts by young men who were raised by “two mommies”; sometimes adopted, sometimes a biological son whose mother “discovered” her new sexual orientation after divorce, etc. I wasn’t just waving my hands when up thread mentioning the age of 12. When the testosterone starts really flowing and boys begin to become young men a whole world of issues that the average woman knows zero about will arise. Older generations knew that a young widow with one or more sons would need a lot of help, preferably from her brothers or cousins, to raise boys. YouGoGirls don’t need no man, because they are so much smarter now. The results have been bad to horrible to grotesque.

  21. Fiddlesticks says:

    What’s ironic is that there has never been a better time for a woman like this to STILL land a solvent, monogamy-minded guy who would be grateful to put up with her baggage as long as she remained at least OK-looking, was capable of learning from her mistakes, and didn’t treat him like the prize at a White Elephant gift exchange. I’ve seen it happen time and again.

  22. Anonymous Reader says:

    Fiddlesticks
    was capable of learning from her mistakes,

    Women don’t do well with cause and effect. They have to be shown.

  23. Carolh says:

    Fiddlesticks, totally! Men are extremely easy to please. Just don’t listen to relationship advice coming from your female friends when under conflict (they will always say leave him, you deserve better or he’s an ass, and misery loves company), don’t be a bitch, keep your hair long, don’t balloon up, cook him a hot meal a couple times a week and you’ll be fine. Just not that hard.

  24. Swanny River says:

    Fiddlesticks, you appear to be having trouble at coming to grips with the rebellion of a feral woman. What makes it more difficult is that the church has probably contributed to that feral nature, especially with her conservative Christian parents exalting the marriage as a capstone model of virtuousness.

  25. Days of Broken Arrows says:

    What no one else has said: What kind of father raises a daughter like this? Who brings up a woman this entitled and unsuitable for marriage?

    And, for that, matter, who told her that her career path was part of “doing all the right things?”

    One thing they apparently didn’t teach her was research. All over the Web, there is kids born to mothers and test tubes that are searching for their “donor dads,” and even attempting to make anonymous sperm donation illegal. One of the most famous blogs in this regard was called “Confessions of a Cryokid,” and anyone considering going the “single mother by choice” route should read it.

    As for “6’2″ and toned,” well, if you don’t look like the girls that used to surround Jan & Dean in the 1960s, don’t expect to get guys like Jan & Dean (who did, in fact, fit that description, unlike the Beach Boys). This might be the first lesson Lenti missed — and the most important one.

  26. Swanny River says:

    Again, my question is, what church would do anything about a polished, well educated, well spoken women in her position? Think how bad it would be if she was attractive? Every elder wanting a lift would tell her what she wants to hear. They hold her education in as much esteem as she does.

  27. Carolh says:

    I am aware that I’m overposting, but still so shocked from this:

    “Though I may never have a significant other, I do have my sons, who’ve taken me from unloved to loved and from unlovable to
    lovable”

    Dude, your kids are not supposed to fulfill all your emotional and social needs. They are not the ones to vent after a tough day at work, have honest adult conversations, share a bad (at least not for too long), be intimate and look after you until you’re old. There’s a pretty heavy load on those kids.

  28. Opus says:

    I am afraid Ms Lenti has put me in mind of a female Television Anchor (whose Vlog I have occasionally consulted) whose parents and relatives I know (which is why I sometimes look at the Vlog). A degree in International Relations followed by residence in some African country (hmmm) and then joins the Beeb. Aged thirty she marries and has a child but is getting up at an ungodly hour to get the first train into London leaving her tot with her blue-collar husband (who works odd hours). Now pregnant again one of her latest Vlog entries is entitled ‘Is Maternity Leave career suicide?’. I shake my head and want to shout at the screen that for her hitting the wall will be career suicide; and that if she is so keen on career she should have thought about that before contracting marriage. Pulled in two directions her parents are of course hypocritical Liberals who preach diversity yet reside in their £Million house out in White Flight Land.

  29. Broken Arrows,

    You presume a lot. Even if the father was around, who says he had a hand in raising her with the courts hanging over his head? Also, great job blaming the bad behavior of a woman on a man. Pretty culturally appropriate.

  30. ayatollah1988 says:

    Uh oh. “Sarah Lenti: Mom/Republican Strategist.”

    Also, I don’t know if her “aloof game” is about imitating what she’s attracted to as much as a way to not scare away the Alpha’s that she had NSA sex with (or “made herself vulnerable to”).

  31. ayatollah1988 says:

    Finished the rest of the video.

    What. A. Nightmare.

    Good on her parents for trying to dissuade her from bringing children into the world without a father, but how Christian and conservative could they really be if they raised a career-hound carousel-rider who began her husband hunt so late in life?

  32. Johnycomelately says:

    Conservative men will do everything within their power to shield women from the negative repercussions of their choices. Women must be shielded from the consequences of their own misconduct at all costs.

    Compare this with the ancients and bastadry laws, they squarely put the responsibility of their actions at the feet of women, even to the point of disadvantaging their children. Wanna be a slut and procreate out of wedlock, tough luck if your child lives in poverty.

    I don’t even see sexbots as advantaging men, it’s simply a way to hide pesky unsexy men from the mating game.

    The recent rise in articles complaining about ghosting, crumbing and whatnot shows that as marriage dwindles and new social conventions arise the courts may even begin to enter the dating game down the track. It’s starting with cohabitation laws in many parts of the world and will probably filter to dating.

  33. Novaseeker says:

    @Days —

    As for “6’2″ and toned,” well, if you don’t look like the girls that used to surround Jan & Dean in the 1960s, don’t expect to get guys like Jan & Dean (who did, in fact, fit that description, unlike the Beach Boys). This might be the first lesson Lenti missed — and the most important one.

    For commitment, yes. For sex, I am fairly certain reading her story that she had a string of relationships with such men, but that the men wouldn’t commit to her. Remember, she says she picked the genes because they’re similar to the kind of guy she would conceive with in the traditional way. That’s a tip-off — those are the kinds of guys she was with. And of course they wouldn’t commit to Lenti, because guys like that don’t commit to women like Lenti. They will, however, have sexual relationships with them for a time.

    Lenti is the classic alpha widow, folks. She had sexual relationships with these kinds of in-demand guys, and couldn’t get them to commit to her. That basically ruined her for other men, and also made her bitter about men and relationships in general (the end of the article is quite bitter about men and relationships). All of that is typical of the alpha widow. She just took it one step further, and basically said: “Hey, I’m gonna get my alpha genes kids anyway, even if you guys won’t commit to me!”, and so that’s what she did.

    @Fiddle —

    What’s ironic is that there has never been a better time for a woman like this to STILL land a solvent, monogamy-minded guy who would be grateful to put up with her baggage as long as she remained at least OK-looking, was capable of learning from her mistakes, and didn’t treat him like the prize at a White Elephant gift exchange.

    Except not the 6″2′, athletic, toned, in-demand men that she seems to feel entitled to. They don’t marry women who look like Lenti, they marry prettier women if they do marry at all. They also cheat on women like Lenti because they are in demand from all sorts of women. She has no interest in a solvent, monogamy minded guy — if she had, she wouldn’t have had trouble finding one. She wants Mr. Big, and she got Mr. Big in relationships, but he wouldn’t commit. Alpha Widow — textbook case.

    @ayatollah

    how Christian and conservative could they really be if they raised a career-hound carousel-rider who began her husband hunt so late in life?

    Like 99% of all Christian conservative parents are with their daughters, especially if daughter is highly intelligent like Lenti is. They push them into the script, which is, as AR points out, college to grad school to career to carousel. The assumption is marriage will happen around 30ish. That was Lenti’s own assumption, too. Remember she talks about writing in her journal at 30 about her difficulties, and being frustrated at *that* time. Things got off track because she became entitled over time to the kinds of men who were available for relationships but not commitment, and one thing led to another and then next thing you know she’s 38. Pretty sure parents were not happy about that, but everyone’s assumption is marriage will just happen around 30, because in many cases it does happen that way. But it requires compromise. I don’t get the sense from Lenti that she is a compromiser at all — in anything. Career or men. And she paid for that.

  34. m11nine says:

    Scroll to the end of the CNN article for a LOL:

    “Correction: This piece initially stated Lenti is in her fourth decade and has been amended to reflect that she is in her fifth decade.”

    That’s was a punch in the gut (to her esteem). Now she sounds even older.

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  36. patriarchal landmine says:

    I was just thinking earlier today about how happy my dad looked in that one old picture of him holding me and my brother when we were babies.

    forget about whether the accusation of him cheating on my mom was real or fake. when he crashed his motorcycle into a wall when I was less than a year old, I always assumed it was a drunken blackout accident. but considering he had just had his two sons legally stolen from him, maybe it wasn’t an accident at all.

    maybe, just maybe, my mom (who never married him or any of the other 3 men she had kids with to my knowledge) was shocked that he wanted to be present as a father, and took drastic measures to make sure he could not be. well, it sure worked.

  37. Darwinian Arminian says:

    @Swanny River
    Really, would Piper or any of them do anything about a believer in their midst contemplating IVF?

    Not gonna happen. Not anytime soon, that is. It’s much less of a social risk for the pastor to simply assume that any sins the women commit can be traced back to the failure of the men in her life to properly serve and lead her. The same will hold true of any other ill or pain that she happens to be experiencing in her life. Is she over 25 and single? Men should’ve grown up, dated her and married her (even though we pastors outlawed dating). Does she lead a promiscuous life with a new lover each week? It’s all the fault of those evil men who took advantage of her. Or her bum father, who didn’t love her properly and made her seek out her value in other men. Is she feeling stress as the only woman in her place of employment? Those horrible men she works with are oppressing her with corrupt patriarchy! If there aren’t enough men around her who match her business and salary accomplishments to serve as potential mates? Those lazy boys are slacking, and they need to grow up because now women are doing the hard work they should have stepped up for!

    You may think that some of those answers and solutions start to contradict each other, but they all make a little more sense when you understand that modern pastors have taken the position that the women’s desires are pure, and thus any trials that they face can only be the fault of men whose misdeeds put them in a compromising situation. You can even codify the whole approach into one iron rule for pastors:

    If a woman should find herself in shame,
    There must be a man somewhere to blame.

    For a demonstration, I give you megachurch celebrity pastor David Platt:

    Out of 50 workers sent to west Africa in his church missions program, 48 are women! And they’re all single! Why is that? Well, Pastor Platt thinks it’s because the men around them are disqualifying themselves by using porn. You might protest that he didn’t say he knows that’s what’s happening, and that as far as we can tell he doesn’t even seem to have discussed any of this with those men either.

    But a pastor doesn’t need any of that. Not when he’s got the iron rule.

  38. Mandy says:

    About 12 years ago I followed a blog by journalist Alyssa Shelasky. She was chasing alphas and regularly told her (in the comments) to knock it off, find a nice guy and marry him before time passed her by. The other commenters laughed at me ” A nice guy? That sounds boring! She lives in LA she needs some one awesome.”

    Last year, in her late thirties she went the single mom by choice route. She wrote an article for a women’s magazine saying how awesome it was. She said the reason was she just couldn’t give up casual dating (as though that would be feasible with a baby in tow.)

    So disgusting that she would lie and convince others to follow her morbid path. No women enjoy “casual dating.”

    There seems nothing left conserving in our culture. The goodness that came from obeying God vanished.

  39. rocko says:

    Didn’t read the whole article but I only saw the pic of Ms Lenti and the only words that came to mind was “It puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose!”

    @Josh the Aspie:
    Sorry to say this but I have to agree in part with Broken Arrows. For better or worse, we are still responsible for women’s behavior, whether it’s daughters, wives, sisters, cousins, etc. Of course Ms Lenti, on the one hand used this as an excuse for her behavior. On the other hand, men should see this as a warning as to how to handle the women in their lives.

  40. “I am a single mother by choice. Yet I was raised in a Christian, conservative home, where I grew up believing in the traditional family unit. And I was taught that there was an order to achieving it. First, fall in love. Second, marry a man. Third, start a family.”

    So clearly the Christian churches that teach girls that romantic love is important are already weak, and getting weaker.

    The religions that survive the 21st century will teach girls: “Your first duty is to bear children who are loyal to the in-group. If you do that then you will have all happiness.”

    Note that the technology of the modern world – including porn, birth control, and various other things – may be so corrosive that even the most birth-oriented religions of the 21st century are going to have a hard time getting technologically advanced people to breed.

    Place your bets. How many people foresee a population crash?

  41. Frank K says:

    “megachurch celebrity pastor …”

    Con men and false teachers, every single one of them, who preach that the road to salvation is broad and easy to travel,

  42. Lost Patrol says:

    I’m with Fiddlesticks – a moment of silence please for those two tiny lads. Destined for a psychological hell on earth. Brought on board strictly because everything is all about her. Their job in life is to validate her choices. A heavy burden.

  43. Reede says:

    @Mandy

    I know how that feels. Sometimes I need to take some steps back from the “Manosphere” or I become despondent. On the other hand, there are other places on Earth where people treat each other like human beings. I was thinking of going to Lebanon myself, if you’re a Christian there is the Maronite community of Catholics there, and their culture isn’t completely besotted.

  44. Just Saying says:

    that aloof gal, who doesn’t ask questions or have expectations of something real or long-term, it still ends

    During the winter when we are playing at vacation spots these are the type that share our beds every weekend – a new group that figure no-one will ever know. Their mistake is not understanding that to a man there are two types of women – ones to f**k and the other for a relationship, and the two are separate and distinct groups. If you are 25, and unmarried you know which group you are in. It was your choice – now I’ve enjoyed that type a lot and will continue to enjoy them for a night or two. (If you have ever cheated on your bf/hubby – or had sex when on vacation – you’re in that type as well.)

    But the other group takes a lot of time, and effort, and you have to get them young – as young as possible these days… Those are the keepers, unfortunately today they are few and far between. You can get them, but it takes a very special set up, and it will take time – in some cases a LOT of your time to get them to your bed.

    Too many women in the first group want a sucker after they have had their fun and their best years are behind them. It is that simple – but men aren’t that dumb… Well, at least the type of men that that type of woman is used to getting. They never think the reason they can’t find a man like they are looking for, that is interested in a relationship, is because that type of man is still enjoying women like she was when she was younger and more attractive. Why would he want left-overs, when he can get something younger, and prettier?

    Wiser men than I have said that women are the gate-keepers of sex. They are the lock – and a lock that opens to a lot of keys, is worthless. While a key that opens many locks is sought after…. Men are like that key – the more women they can have, the more women want them. He can enjoy life, then pick a young woman if he wants. Men and women are different – it is that simple.

    Too many women have bought into the bullsh*t sold by the media and Feminists that women can be like men – they can’t. A 60 year old man can still have a family, a 50 year old woman’s days are done… I point to our present President – whose youngest was born when he was 60…. I suspect that is why the Feminists and media hate him so much…

  45. Reede says:

    @Just Saying

    I agree with you but I have to ask if that sort of behavior jades and damages men as well. I’m not wired for promiscuity but I’m decent with women so I wonder if at some point I’ll just cave and start doing what you describe, just so I can get something out of this whole deal.

    I don’t really want to, though. It’s a damn shame things have shaped up this way. Reminds me of that scene at the end of Brave New World when John Savage gives in to the orgy-porgy, then in the morning flagellates himself at the lighthouse and commits suicide.

  46. Novaseeker says:

    No women enjoy “casual dating.”

    @Mandy —

    I’d say it’s more that some women prefer that to being married to a man they find boring and unattractive compared to the men who are available for commitment and marriage. Shelasky is one of those. Lenti appears to be another. It’s true that they are poisoning the wells for younger women, but there are some women who have this preference. Of course, they would have preferred commitment and marriage with a man they find attractive and exciting (not boring), but because there is a huge number of women who also like men like that, they’re very hard to get to commit. So the women who have that absolute preference like these two women end up as what we call “Alpha Widows” — that is, women who are spoiled by the kinds of men they can date casually and therefore not interested in the kind of men they can get commitment from.

  47. Novaseeker says:

    Erm garbled that one badly — it should read: “some women prefer that to being married to a man they find boring and unattractive compared to the men who are NOT available for commitment and marriage”.

    WordPress lack of editing strikes again!

  48. Opus says:

    On the basis of some photos but after careful study of her Twitter B&W photo, I would, marking out of 10 (and only the likes of FLOTUS are a 10) award her a 3 or perhaps on a good day a 4 that is to say less attractive than average but not so unattractive as to be seriously jarring. Why any alpha would – on the basis of her looks – even consider her I cannot imagine.

    To misquote Oscar Wilde, ‘to produce one bastard may be regarded as a misfortune, to produce two looks like wilfulness’. It’s terrible really – and she claims to be a centre-right strategist!

  49. Novaseeker says:

    Why any alpha would – on the basis of her looks – even consider her I cannot imagine.

    Opus —

    Tall, athletic alpha guy in her professional/friend circle, 27, 33 year old Lenti is available, he has a fling with her that she wants to be a relationship. He walks, breaking her heart.

    Tall, athletic, divorced military guy in her professional/friend circle, 41, 33 year old Lenti is available, they have a relationship, he doesn’t see a future, backs off, breaks her heart.

    She moves in closed circles where the guys there also move in closed circles. She’s the type who these guys go for, for a shorter-term thing, or even a back-burner longer term thing while they evaluate other options. She isn’t a woman these guys marry, but the idea that these guys only date/sleep with 8+ is wrong, at least not in DC, which is where she was for most of the tale (I believe she is no longer here). There are closed circle 8+ guys who will get with a woman like that for a time, and that’s where her problem was. That, and later on, when things moved to Tinder, the veil came off and it was all about P&D (which is what it always was, but Tinder has a way of unveiling the instinct).

  50. Mandy says:

    @Reede

    It sounds like Lebanon is a nice place, have you been there? Georgia also sounds nice, I self conscious singing or traditional songs & folk dance in public, Orthodox religion, few Western resources.

  51. Mandy says:

    @Novaseeker

    I knew what you meant!

    Yes, you are right. I think they might prefer any attention for the alphas than none. But I don’t think casual dating is the goal. Those are the crumbs they settle for by not accepting a decent man in their league.

  52. Novaseeker says:

    But I don’t think casual dating is the goal. Those are the crumbs they settle for by not accepting a decent man in their league.

    @Mandy —

    Oh certainly. That’s why we see, for example, so much bitterness at the end of the Lenti article, or spliced into the Kate Bolick articles of a few years ago. The goal is a committed relationship with the alpha, the casual is the settling mode, and the decent man in their league is simply not acceptable.

  53. anonymous_ng says:

    Soooo, CNN and other news sources have run articles about the artificial womb that kept the lamb alive until birth.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/26/health/artificial-womb-premature-babies-lambs/

    I’ve always wondered in those science fiction worlds whether someone actually born of plastic and steel would be the perfect psychopath.

    Sex robots will be looked upon as the refuge of losers while the artificial womb will be one more way for technology to enable women to fulfill their potential and to not fall behind in their careers because of that pesky need to be pregnant.

  54. Reede says:

    @Mandy

    I know some Lebanese people here in Canada and overall they have good character. That said, the Christian communities in Lebanon have become infected with the same Americanism that was injected into Vatican II, and at least according to a Maronite guy my age (24), “the girls are changing”. It seems like the prelude to breaking down a culture to make it safe for capitalism is to eliminate the sexual morals of women. When women become immoral, men either adapt to the new environment (game) or they just opt out (MGTOW), and guys like me who want a traditional family are stuck high and dry.

    PS, be wary of post-Soviet cultures. I have some Russian and eastern European friends here and they have a massive “hangover” from the Soviet era that is being filled with Anglo decadence. Poland has more or less gone down the tubes, Czech Republic is on its way and the other cultures to the east of them are getting uglier and uglier. Georgia is no exception here. They are in the same boat as the Armenians, with abortion, divorce and single motherhood becoming more and more common. Because the Orthodox Church has backed off of its hard teachings, even the Orthodox countries are slipping into secularism.

  55. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    I am a single mother by choice.

    She protests too much. They all do.

    Nobody asked if she was a single mother by choice. Yet single women are always quick to add that they’re single by choice. A single mother by choice.

    They know they’ll be judged negatively. They were unable to hold onto a man. Or lost a good man. Or got banged up and wasn’t worth marrying. So they always insists, without anyone asking, that they’re single by choice.

    It’s always implied that any choice is a good choice so long at it’s her choice. Women have a fetish over that word.

  56. Jeff Strand says:

    Dalrock, thanks for the hat tip. I am honored.

    Check out this link to a piece about the sexbots story at Feminist Current (a radfem site). The comments are gold – these broads are completely up in arms over the possibility of sexbots, they’re so angry they’re shaking, lol. It’s hilarious. They claim men want the sexbots in order to dominate and abuse them, even “beat them”. They are too dense to even ask what is the point of beating an animatronic doll!

    But it goes deeper. I think the sexbot in the video (“Harmony”) shames them. That’s why they are so angry – people who are shamed tend to become very angry. Why are they shamed? Because Harmony behaves towards her owner, i.e. “her man”, in a way that women should, but that these damaged feminists REFUSE to. Harmony gets satisfaction out of submitting to the headship of her man. She likes to make him feel loved and respected. She is available for sex when he wants it. She doesn’t nag him incessantly. She is happy and content with her position in life. And so on.

    It’s telling fow literally FURIOUS this makes these radfems. Some even mention that this is a dream come true for MGTOW’s and MRA’s, lol. See for yourself:

    http://www.feministcurrent.com/2017/04/27/sex-robots-epitomize-patriarchy-offer-men-solution-threat-female-independence/

  57. Gunner Q says:

    Mandy @ 8:12 pm:
    ” I think they might prefer any attention for the alphas than none. But I don’t think casual dating is the goal.”

    It’s their goal. Women don’t want marriage, they want Alpha. When they get Alpha, they wonder if they can do even better. So long as the Welfare State handles Beta Bucks, women neither need nor want to restrain hypergamy.

    Even when she lucks out and marries an Alpha, it isn’t the marriage she’s thrilled about having. It’s the Alpha. Also why she’ll blow up a prosperous marriage to a perfectly good Beta.

    Reede @ 9:02 pm:
    “Poland has more or less gone down the tubes, Czech Republic is on its way…”

    Aww. Those countries impressed me the most during the Iron Curtain years.

    Red Pill Latecomer @ 9:03 pm:
    “They know they’ll be judged negatively. … So they always insists, without anyone asking, that they’re single by choice.”

    Good insight. I’ll save that for the next dinner party I’m invited to.

  58. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    According to this site, only 8% of American men are 6’2″ or taller: https://investing.calsci.com/statistics.html

    This Good Christian Woman has disqualified 92% of potential husbands before even getting to know them. (I’m assuming 6’2″ is what she sought in a husband, as well as in a sperm donor.)

    Christian pastors tell men to “man up” and be a Godly Christian Man, and then all the Good Christian Women will find them sexy. But no amount of Godliness, or toning up at the gym, can add inches to a man’s height.

  59. Anon says:

    Dalrock,

    In the last part where you identify what Susan Lenti finds attractive and mistakenly thinks would make her attractive, you may want to consider inserting the word ‘solipism’ a couple of times. That is a precise word that is often forgotten in the ‘sphere.

    Women think acting like the men they are attracted to makes THEM more attractive. I think this is why so many stupid girls get tattoos and swear a lot.

  60. Anon says:

    (I’m assuming 6’2″ is what she sought in a husband, as well as in a sperm donor.)

    Sperm donors at proper banks are *required* to be 6’2″ or taller.

    Female egg donors have to be 5’8″ or taller.

  61. Dave says:

    It looks like the free market is stepping up to provide what people can’t find in the dating market — babies for women and orgasms on demand for men. But what about men wanting children who can’t be taken from them in divorce court?

    I suppose the best solution would be to harvest eggs from attractive Russian women, fertilize them with customer sperm, and implant them in young Indian women. These services are advertised “for the gay community”, which elevates their progressive virtue above reproach.

    If you can’t afford a nanny to help with the babies, you could buy a house in a place with low cost-of-living and work part-time from home. No one goes hungry in first-world welfare states, so a man not trying to attract or keep a wife has little reason to worry about his socioeconomic status.

  62. dvdivx says:

    Real dolls will always be disturbing to anyone normal. When or if they hit the cylon/bladerunner level then its game over for the female imperative. Until then nothing to worry about.

  63. Luke says:

    Anon says:
    April 28, 2017 at 9:58 pm
    “(I’m assuming 6’2″ is what she sought in a husband, as well as in a sperm donor.)

    Sperm donors at proper banks are *required* to be 6’2″ or taller.

    Female egg donors have to be 5’8″ or taller.”

    Not so on the latter. My wife and I used egg donors to get our kids. One was 5’4″.

  64. Reede says:

    @Dave

    I reiterate my Brave New World reference. I remember watching a video where a Catholic scholar does a thought experiment where we take a NYC American from 1915 and transport him 100 years in the future. Explain to him that more abortions than live births occur in NYC, fornication is accepted as not only normal but that premarital chastity is now considered abnormal, gays can now “marry” and adopt children, and that you’re as likely to be divorced as you are to remain faithfully married.

    He said that American would consider such a future to be “the End”, as in the End Times, and that it is describing the end of civilization.

    I’m inclined to think he’s right.

  65. Luke says:

    Re women’s “requirements” on height, etc., in men, I posted this on another site:

    “he rule said all over the Internet that single woman in U.S. urban cities go by is the 6-6-6 rule. That is, to even be considered male, the guys have to be at least six feet tall, make six figures (>$100,000.00 annual income), and have a “six-pack” level of fitness. (The rest of the stereotypical “463-point checklist”, I’ll leave off for now.)

    Here’s how that eliminates men, in say, NYC.

    The population there as of 2015 is 8,491,079.

    The percentage of men is 47%.
    That gets her down to 3,990, 807 NYC residents are men.

    But, only about 1 million men there are from age 20-34, so that takes her prey pool down to 1,000,000.

    And, only 44.6% of those men are white (hey, marrying time, would-be yuppie chicks want guys they can take home to the parents). Now she’s having to make do with 446,000 men as potential LT BFs or more.

    Presuming that these women only want men who haven’t been married before (so they’re not paying alimony/child support, and are less likely to be inoculated against repeating the idea), 46.7% of men there have never been married. So, now she’s looking at 208, 282 men to hunt among.

    Six feet tall or taller? That’s 82.1 percentile in height. So, only 17.9% of men qualify. Now that’s only 37,282 men left.

    Make at least $100K a year? That’s 96th percentile in income.
    Only 1,491 men left.

    Figuring how many men are in good enough shape to have six-pack abdominal muscles was tough. I saw estimates most commonly around 2% of men. (Sure, higher-income guys can afford professional trainers, eating Paleo, pricy gym memberships, etc., but how would most of them find the TIME? 100+ hour a week stockbrokers, surgeons, and not-yet-partner corporate lawyers, NWIH.) That gets her down to THIRTY men in all of NYC who meet just the above criteria.

    Then, how many of them will she A) even meet, and B) will assess HER as meeting THEIR criteria before she ages and/or sluts out of all hope of contention? Certainly not all of these stratospheric men. (The most difficult-to-believe things about most chick porn fantasy books and movies were that uber-alpha guys that wanted to be with women did not already have fully-staffed harems, that guys in their 20s could be billionaires, and that guys with these characteristics would be interested in marriage with women older than themselves who were one or more of plain, pudgy, or already completely busy for the next decade or two with another man’s children.)

    So, of course, when she’s 43, put on 30-50 more pounds from unmerited Haagen Daaz/Hostess cupcakes/Starbucks junk food in a cup, accepted that the credit cards she melted down in accumulating vast hoards of designer junk that led to no longterm gain, permanently jaded to the point of bitterness, and already started on stockpiling her second half-dozen cats, she’ll say “Oh, men just won’t commit”. Right.

    Actually, she just can’t do math worth a d*mn.”

  66. Anon says:

    Luke,

    Not so on the latter. My wife and I used egg donors to get our kids. One was 5’4″.

    Then you must not have gone to a top-tier bank. Egg donors are much rarer than sperm donors, and not all banks can get a woman who meets all requirements and is still above 5’8″.

    It makes no sense for a bank to have height requirements for men, and not for women, because the bet is on the height of the offspring, which is a function of both parents’ heights..

  67. Novaseeker says:

    That gets her down to THIRTY men in all of NYC who meet just the above criteria.

    @Luke —

    Many more than that.

    The issue is that geography matters. So the national numbers don’t apply equally everywhere. In NYC the men who make 6 are disproportionately also 6 feet tall. And a larger number than average have 6 packs or closer to 6 than the average number.

    In the US, we have local markets. NYC, LA, MIA, to a lesser extent DC and BOS, and to a lesser extent ORD and DAL, are one market. Everyone else, and I mean *everyone* else, is a different market. Omaha, Des Moines, Pittsburgh, Cleveland? Not the same as that other market.

  68. Luke says:

    Anon, the agency we used for both donors had over 400 donors. Over 90% (I estimate about 92%) were white females, virtually all of whom were under age 28 and either in college and and nearly finished a college degree, or graduated from college. (We didn’t even look at donors over age 25.) All were American citizens, I believe.

    That agency was one of the largest outside NY/CA/IL, which are all terribly overpriced in the fertility biz. (Atlanta, Boston, and Miami all seemed to have higher prices than TX, FL, etc., but nothing like NY/CA.)

  69. Luke says:

    P.S. on our donors: the 5’4″ one was a redhead, which we wanted for that donor. There were NOT many of those; brunettes were most common among full whites (well under 5% Mexican/Oriental/South Asian/African), followed by black haired, then blonde. Blondes were easily 7x as common as redheads.

  70. Jeff Strand says:

    Novaseeker,

    I agree with your critique of Luke, that he was too pessimistic on his estimate of only 2% of the men meeting the fitness requirement. All the other categories were based on straightforward, known statistics though, so they should be good. But odds are, young, professional, single men in NYC will put some effort into staying in shape. They may not literally have “six pack abs”, but they would generally qualify as “basically in shape”. What percent? At age 20 to 34 and high income earners, I’d say at least a quarter to a third…maybe as high as half. So that brings the pool of eligible men up from just 30 in all of NYC…to closer to 500 to 800.

    Great news for the ladies, right? Actually, not so much. Luke forgot to include relationship status. True, he does limit his pool of Mr. Right’s to the never married. But he forgot that many of these unmarried men ARE NOT SINGLE (in the sense that they are available to date). They have a steady girlfriend, and are therefore “off the market” for all practical purposes, even though they are not married.

    What percentage of this pool of 500 to 800 men fall into this category? A lot! A guy like that has got it going on, and he’s in high demand. Most of them, I have to believe, will have a girlfriend and be unavailable to date. I’d even wager it would be as high as 75% of them! So that brings the pool of possible Mr. Right’s back down to about 150 to 200. In all of NYC! And as you say, she has to somehow find one of these guys…and then he has to be into her!

    Yeah, good luck with that. Women are nuts!

  71. Yet Another Commenter, Yet Another Comment ("Yac-Yac") says:

    Red Pill Latecomer @ April 28, 2017 at 9:03 pm commented on this: “I am a single mother by choice” in some detail.

    I don’t know if I’m agreeing with you or disagreeing with you, RPL [your call], but it seems to me the rhetorical game she is playing, is the part where she takes “single / not by choice” and adds it to “mother / by choice”, and somehow she sums this out to “single mother / by choice”.

    As for “single / not by choice”, there’s the “choice” to have ridiculous standards, and then there’s the “not by choice” of those ridiculous standards leading to zero successful outcomes. Needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle, has $750 to buy a bike, but is entitled to (and deserves nothing less than) a Chrome Hearts X Cervelo Mountain Bike. Yeah. Sure. Whatever, lady.

    And as for ridiculous standards: I clicked through to the CNN thing and had to do a double-take: she looks like she isn’t wearing make-up; hang on: is she wearing make-up? Good grief! She’s wearing make-up, and that only brings her up to the level of looking like she isn’t wearing any.

    I am sure that, thirty years ago, she might have been able to bag (marry) a pudgy 5’7” guy earning merely something a bit north of $50K, — but as several commenters have pointed out, above: she’s a textbook example of an alpha widow. Gotta have that Chrome Hearts X Cervelo Mountain Bike. Uh-hunh.

    I am fairly confident that her sons will grow up to see the cities burn, and the food trucks stop coming, and the electricity go out, and 9-11 to go off-line. Which brings me to the sexbots and artificial wombs (with the lamb): that sort of technology doesn’t fare well when the cities burn, the food trucks stop coming, and the electricity goes out. Calling 9-11, then, won’t help.

    You could call that societal collapse The Wrath Of A Vengeful God. But, God just makes the universe orderly: the “wrath” part is all (be it individually or civilizationally) always self-inflicted. So, I think I am in a sort of theological disagreement with some of the commenters here. Self-inflicted wounds aren’t ones that can be blamed on God. Sin itself is what punishes the sinner.

    Anyway, everyone: Enjoy The Decline®, and Pax Christi Vobiscum.

  72. Vektor says:

    “But from my two little men….”

    Godfuckingdamit…why do these degenerates get to reproduce?!? No dad right out of the gate. Rage….teeth gritting rage!! So much work. When will it begin??

  73. Bee says:

    Sarah Lenti illustrates why young women should not be dating and trying to select a husband on their own. Instead their father should be arranging a marriage for them.

    But, father arranged marriages will not work in a vacuum. This only works when families and surrounding culture encourage women to marry, submit and obey their husband, and to be his helpmeet. Without wider culture change, father arranged marriages will not work well.

  74. Bee says:

    CNN, and other MSM outlets love personal stories of Christians going astray and betraying their faith. Typical examples include single mothers, divorcee’s, porn industry worker, homosexual, or non-virgin who gave up on a purity pledge. They will write it up and promote it with glee!

  75. CSI says:

    “Sperm donors at proper banks are *required* to be 6’2″ or taller.”

    I quickly looked this up and the height requirements at most sperm banks is either 5’9″ or 5’10”. The screening process for sperm donation is so stringent, and the compensation is so mediocre (or non-existent in some countries) that they couldn’t afford to set it at 6’2″ and expect to get more than a couple of donors.

  76. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Luke: The most difficult-to-believe things about most chick porn fantasy books and movies were that uber-alpha guys … would be interested in marriage with women … busy for the next decade or two with another man’s children.

    SyFy Channel TV movies (not just Hallmark and Lifetime) are full of Single Mom heroines who meet Alpha men who quickly fall in love with both her and her kids.

    The men are not only tall and sexy — but their jobs are sexy. These Alpha men aren’t wimpy yuppies. No boring corporate lawyers or stockbrokers. They’re brawny scientists who work in the field, yet are wealthy because they’re internationally recognized, or own their own business (marine exploration, petroleum engineer, cave explorer, chartered boats or planes).

    And so, as women age, their list of demands grows.

    * Not only must the man love her, he must love her kids by another man.

    * Not only must he have a high-paying job, but it must be a sexy, outdoorsy, masculine job — a job that allows for travel and adventure. (And preferably his own business, rather than a job.)

  77. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Bee: CNN, and other MSM outlets love personal stories of Christians going astray and betraying their faith.

    I’ll say it. Jews love stories about Christians betraying their faith.

    It’s also why fiction (books and film) is so full of hypocritical Christian ministers, priests, and bishops who practice greed, murder, torture, sexual perversions, etc. Some stories are set in the Middle Ages or colonial period (torturing Indians, heretics, witches), but plenty are set in modern times.

    If the media portrayed rabbis they way it portrays Christian clergy, it’d be called hate and anti-Semitism.

  78. Mineter says:

    Upon seeing the sexbot article a couple of days ago I thought “let me know when they can cook, clean, and iron”.
    And it just hit me now. Thirsty guys will fund this robotic development, and the end result won’t be Cherry 2000, it’ll be a manbot which will cook, clean, iron, cuddle, kill spiders, garden, open jars and deter intruders.

  79. Opus says:

    There is a down-side to insisting on 6′ 2″ (and thank god you Americans don’t do metric – whcih I don’t relate to) for tall men impregnating tallish women will often produce those coming in at over 6′ 5″. Is that really what Ms Lenti wants? Imagine men had the opportunity of using surrogate wombs and had the nerve to insist that only supermodels would be acceptable. So much for equality.

  80. Opus says:

    Back to Ms Lenti and why men will sleep with an – at least in my opinion on the basis of the photos – less than averagely attractive female, and even taking into account the limited and constrained circles in which she moves, as explained above by Novaseeker: It is always the averagely (and less) attractive women who open their legs for the alpha dudes – not the hotties, who can and will hold out for what they really want – marriage. The averagely attractive know that they have to do something to attract the attention of men who would otherwise pass them by and although there is always the risk of Pump and Dump that is the only way that they can swim into the orbit of the men they want. Afterwards of course there is a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth – as with Ms Lenti. That she has produced the IVF bastards is merely a continuation of what I take to be her ‘I want it and I want it now’ impulsivity foolishly forgetting that though she may evade the reality of her limited attractiveness she cannot evade the consequences of the avoidance. Is this really the sort of person you want in charge of American Foreign Policy?

  81. Roger says:

    In her opinion piece, she responds to criticism by saying “No, I was not that lonely. No, I was not that selfish.” Yes, you ARE that selfish. In a quest for your own self-centered idea of “fulfillment,” you brought two children into the world to act as your “pets,” to give YOU emotional satisfaction. And what will become of them? Sure, they’ll be adorable pet babies, but wait until they reach an age where they’re old enough to reason, and questions will start nagging at them. One can only hope that they’ll beat the odds and grow up to be adjusted, though society keeps lowering the bar of what it means to be adjusted. And I think it is just as selfish of that Lacrosse player jerk she chose as her “donor.” Men who sell or donate their semen to those vile institutions known as sperm banks are traitors to manhood generally, and especially to the increasingly fragile institution of fatherhood.

  82. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    I’d heard that medical students compose a large percentage of sperm bank donors. They’re regarded as having high IQs by virtue of being in medical school.

  83. Original Laura says:

    Ms. Lenti brags that the doctor told her that her embryos were extremely high quality. I realize that to some extent the health of the embryo can be judged by physical appearance alone, but I am curious as to whether pre-implantation genetic diagnosis was also used. This would have told her that the embryos that were implanted were male. I wonder if all seven embryos were male, or if she deliberately chose to be a single mother of boys when most women in her situation probably would have chosen girls.

    She claims that her family was very traditional, yet she has lived an untraditional life. I figure that her “traditional” parents put a very strong emphasis on her having a career that would make the family proud. Dual-track messaging creates tremendous anxiety, as being a homemaker is “not enough,” and having a man’s career is also “not enough.” A few women somehow manage to do a good job of raising children while having a career, but far more end up overwhelmed by the competing demands of this lifestyle, especially without the day-to-day involvement of the babydaddy.

    Lenti has chosen to raise her fatherless boys in a part of the country far away from her biological family, and her social circle seems to consist entirely of people she has met recently. These are major red flags. Most women who choose single motherhood emphasize that the children will have access to male family members within the extended family. These children will NOT have even that.

    On some level Lenti may be an Alpha Widow who refused to be realistic about the sort of men she might hope to marry, but her admission that every man she dated was either unsuitable or ended up dumping her makes me wonder if she has some weird self-esteem issues or other personality problems, etc., that cause her to self-sabotage in some way. Or maybe she doesn’t actually want to be married and deliberately chose to date men she knew would not ever offer marriage. Being a single mom means that you get to make every decision — where to live, how to educate the children, etc. Being a married mom in a traditional family means that the husband has the final word on these and other issues.

    Lenti is forty years old, struggled to come up with the money for IVF (I can’t recall if she disclosed why she needed expensive IVF rather than mere sperm donation.) She doesn’t own a house, which means that she is going to go into a panic every time her rent is raised, since a huge chunk of her income is now needed for child care for the twin infants. The boys are adorable, but I see trouble ahead.

  84. Spike says:

    What is important to note about Sarah Lenti’s story is that she thinks her story is unique. It is not unique at all.
    If you talk to any post-wall professional, single, childless woman, the story is exactly the same. the only thing that changes is the heroine telling it. “I went to college / university….lived with ‘my boyfriend at the time’…we broke up…I did a post grad degree…I started living with my second boyfriend…who started getting abusive….we broke up….then I met so-and-so….I tried getting pregnant for a long time…..we broke up…”
    It seems that the post-Christian West has become a gigantic factory for producing women exactly like Lenti: educated – with a massive bunch of degrees, travelled (“when I was living in….”), professional and having a huge trail of human wreckage left behind them in the form of break-ups, divorces the odd abortion (the most heinous of acts).
    If you ever know one well enough to ask if they regret any of their decisions, well, they don’t. You – the Christian man with the family, the house and with your shit together – are strange and foreign. You “haven’t lived”! What? you don’t have a string of hook-ups? What are you!

  85. l jess says:

    Deut: 23;2 – although of the old testament, still reveals how God views single mothers and their offspring – world of hurt coming for their souls.

  86. Dave (original) says:

    “SyFy Channel TV movies (not just Hallmark and Lifetime) are full of Single Mom heroines who meet Alpha men who quickly fall in love with both her and her kids….”

    And, seriously, what did we expect? These movies are nothing but long running infomercials advocating the feminist lifestyle.
    We almost never saw a car commercial where the driver crashed a car, though he probably went way above the speed limits, and took dangerous turns. Even if there was a crash at all, it was orchestrated to show how safe the car was, because the driver would escape from the crash unscathed. I can’t remember ever seeing one of those reckless drivers taken away in a stretcher.

    Thus, the movies will always show how the brainless feminists took the most brainless decisions and ended up with the most wonderful outcomes.

  87. Jason says:

    Ah yes! The again story of the most amazing traditional Christian girl who loves Jesus more than anything,……but alas…..”the no good men in church just won’t step up!”

    She’s beautiful, smart, talented, gifted, creative, educated, confident, and is sooooooo ready to just find a man who loves Jesus! Also, she’s perfect mother material! All of her friends tell her so, and so does the pastor and the pastor’s wife!

    So……alas, our heroine, just like in the Christian romance novels she reads………is lonely, is strong, and capable………and since God has not brought a “real man” to her it’s time to be a mother because “Jesus loves babies” and “she prayed really, really, really hard and she is convinced that God told her it’s okay for her to be a single mother!”

    So she gets IVF, adopts a baby from some war-ravaged third world country, or just gets pregnant because…..you know….God will forgive her because “Jesus loves babies”……and now her life is complete. Or is it? Because as a single mom, she still laments that the “no good men in the church” won’t step up into her insta-family.

    Like many single Christian men in church who are not lukewarm, who follow God and worship Him. ……….many are realizing with all their amazing, beautiful, talented, educated, creative, and confident sisters is that obviously they don’t need a man. They only want an accessory.

    And, reality here…..my take on most Christian women “if you are going to live life for yourself, with your wants, needs, and outrageous expectations with imperfect people (the church), well, frankly there is really no room for anyone else in your life. This includes a husband.”

  88. CSI says:

    She’s a nut. She puts 100% of the blame for her inability to get a husband on the men. Yet we get the impression she only selected the most exciting, most attractive men available. And we don’t know how she acted when she was in relationships. Was she cold, bitchy? Did she cheat on them just as many of them (supposedly) cheated on her? I wouldn’t be surprised.

    But here’s some images of her in early 30s. She was above average in looks. A 7 maybe. She could have had her pick of most men. Just not the uber alphas she wanted.

    http://washingtonlife.com/directories/photos/?letter=S&name=Sarah-Lenti

  89. anonymous_ng says:

    Regarding Luke’s number, what percentage of those men are gay?

    A couple of years ago in the comments of a “Where are all the good men” article, someone ran a similar analysis showing that the criteria of degree and job reduced the dating pool to effectively zero even in the NYC metro area.

    I say effectively zero because the odds of a woman meeting one of those men was small, and it didn’t consider anything like political views, religion, or attraction.

  90. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Dave (original) says: These movies are nothing but long running infomercials advocating the feminist lifestyle.

    The Great Sin for women in TV movies is “settling.” Often the Heroine’s Mother tells the Heroine to lower her sights. That her current Boring Boyfriend is a good provider and will make a good husband. The Heroine almost settles — but then resists. She must follow her heart even if that means she will remain alone all her life.

    In the end, this is the right choice, for by not settling, she met her Alpha Soul Mate.

    In the romcom Sleepless in Seattle, Meg Ryan nearly follows her family’s advice and settles for a Nice Boring Beta. But in the end she can’t. The Nice Boring Beta understands, and lets Ryan off the hook with best wishes. Ryan thanks him, and soon finds Tom Hanks atop the Empire State Building, where she melts into his arms.

    In the romcom Maid in Manhattan, Jennifer Lopez is a Single Mom who works as a hotel maid. Her mother warns Lopez that the Rich Alpha she’s been dating “Is not for you.” (The Rich Alpha thinks Lopez is also rich.) Lopez denounces her mother in a “loving” speech, saying that her mother always tried to hold Lopez back. Lopez knows she can reach for the stars.

    In the end, the Rich Alpha U.S. Senator falls in love with Lopez despite her being a maid. He also loves Lopez’s son by another man. Lopez even rises from the working class — through her own talent, without help from anyone — and forges a successful career in management.

    The message in every Romcom (and even in many SyFy Channel monster movies) is that Women Must Never Settle. To settle is to deny a woman that which she deserves and is thus a betrayal of her own awesomeness.

  91. Reede says:

    Hmm… you know, given that she looks pretty tall herself (looks above 5’9) her 6’2 demand is not as unseemly as it would be if she were only 5’4 or 5’5. That said, unfortunately like a lot of taller girls, she has a bit of a “mannish” face. Not a lot of neoteny there. I would put her at a 5, but that’s just preferences. I call it the Ann Coulter effect.

    SWPL women in the upper class tend to be very vain and narcissistic. I know SWPL women who read the synopses of books just so they can claim to have read them to their circle of equally narcissistic friends. No man will put up with that garbage for long, SWPL or not, and she’s not nearly attractive enough to justify trophy-wife status.

  92. PokeSalad says:

    but it seems to me the rhetorical game she is playing, is the part where she takes “single / not by choice” and adds it to “mother / by choice”, and somehow she sums this out to “single mother / by choice”.

    They key is, *her choice*. All her life she could not stand the thought of a man making any decisions on her behalf, no matter what the circumstances…the very essence of rebellion. Now that a lifetime of rebellion has led her into this corner, her hamster furiously rationalizes that where she is NOW was her “choice” all along.

    The delusion is all but impenetrable.

  93. Opus says:

    @CSI

    I had seen that photo (from ten years ago) but with respect no-way was she a 7 – or perhaps we all have different tastes. What intrigued me about the photo was the possibility that the two males might be a couple of the Alphas that passed on her for more than a casual fling. They don’t look what to my mind an Alpha that was of interest to her would look like. They are, however tall-ish and perhaps they were more devastating than that photo suggests.

    I am trying to grasp why she would want to go public as to her obvious shame. Would it be that she is so broke that she could not resist the lure of the money offered by CNN or is it that her vanity is so great that she has convinced herself that she is the first woman (this week) to do this and thus needs to be celebrated.

  94. Chris says:

    I remember watching one of those shows on the Sci-Fi Channel that counted down the (insert number that ends in zero here) scariest films of all time. They eventually got around to the original “Stepford Wives,” and one of the lady commentators suffered that one of the reasons why the movie was so creepy was because it made women like her wonder what it would be like to be replaced. Well…

  95. Lost Patrol says:

    I am trying to grasp why she would want to go public as to her obvious shame.

    What once was shame – is now fame.

  96. Opus says:

    Doing a little research, the two males Lenti is with in the photo are respectively from left to right a financier (hedge funds) and International Trade and Finance. Could it be that men like that can get younger tighter chicks? The other female is as I can see from another photo is really pretty good looking and she likewise moves in high PR circles. Ms Lenti I deduce waited too long (Secretary Rule) and and as she is now based in Denver is presumably no longer in the same league as the other three. They are all globalists so I wish them Ill.

  97. Frank K says:

    “The delusion is all but impenetrable.”

    It has to be, otherwise she would have a meltdown.

  98. Frank K says:

    ” but with respect no-way was she a 7″

    Agreed, she’s a plain Jane. Her only grace is that she wasn’t fat, which in the present does add a LOT to a woman’s SMV.

  99. A sex doll is nothing more than masturbation. That is it. There is nothing in the Bible against masturbation, nothing. You will not find one verse in any book (old of new testament) against masturbation. Everyone (be they feminists or spiritual leaders) are making a bigger deal out of this than it deserves.

  100. Frank K says:

    “Thus, the movies will always show how the brainless feminists took the most brainless decisions and ended up with the most wonderful outcomes.”

    It’s called fiction for a reason.Just like how in LOTR, Aragorn can charge into a throng of Orcs and not get taken down.

  101. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    innocentbystanderboston says: There is nothing in the Bible against masturbation,

    Neil Saavedra (of The Jesus Christ Show) says that masturbation (usually) violates the commandment against adultery. This is because, to masturbate, a man usually fantasizes about a woman not his wife. If you lust for a woman not your wife, you’ve already committed adultery in your heart.

    So according to Saavedra, masturbation is only sinless if a man fantasizes about his wife when doing so. (Or if a wife fantasizes about her husband.)

  102. Frank K says:

    @Spike – “What is important to note about Sarah Lenti’s story is that she thinks her story is unique. It is not unique at all.”

    Yup, all the things you mentioned, plus the carousel riding and the “foreign travel” (more carousel riding). And men just accept this as “normal” and still far too many wife up these broken women. I personally know of a few women with incurable STDs (like herpes) who managed to reel in a beta chump. Imagine, never being able to have unprotected (as in no condom) sex with your “wife” because she rode the carousel with wild abandon when she was in her prime and is now an “incurable romantic”.

  103. Otto Lamp says:

    Speaking of unfit, the infamous Jenny Erickson has given birth again. Not a dad in sight.

    https://twitter.com/jennyerikson?lang=en

    https://www.instagram.com/jennyerikson/

  104. Bee says:

    CSI, Opus, Frank,

    “I had seen that photo (from ten years ago) but with respect no-way was she a 7 – or perhaps we all have different tastes.”

    Most blue pill, boring beta, church guys (I was one) are not holding out for a hot babe. A girl who is thin like Sarah will be good enough for them. They will marry less than a 7 or 8 if they have assurance that they won’t get divorce raped, that they won’t get sex denied, that they won’t be a bag holder or helpmeet for a career girl. But, neither Christian culture or the general culture offers them these basic assurances anymore.

    Our current culture can’t even assure a man that she will try to have children.

  105. feeriker says:

    TL;DR version of Sarah Lenti’s story: “It’s all God’s fault that I’m lonely and without a husband! So I’m gonna play him an’ make myself a pair of men!”

  106. greyghost says:

    “Lenti is an addict of asshole game, and assumes that since she is only attracted to aloof jerks, men must be seeking this in a wife. Good men seeking real commitment (lifetime marriage) don’t exist to Lenti, because she finds such men sexually repulsive. ”

    That is the most important lesson a father can teach his daughter as she becomes an adult. Use female nature to your advantage. Always and openly show show a woman lacking in said character as a worthless slut that you have zero compassion and concern for.

  107. feeriker says:

    I figure that her “traditional” parents put a very strong emphasis on her having a career that would make the family proud. Dual-track messaging creates tremendous anxiety, as being a homemaker is “not enough,” and having a man’s career is also “not enough.”

    You can bet a year’s salary that that message is EXACTLY the one that her churchian (NOT Christian) parents conveyed to her. Yet another marker of how there is absolutely ZE-RO difference between the typical church pew warmer and the rest of the world.

    Those poor sons.

    Indeed. This is why fertility clinics, if not shut down completely, should have their services severely regulated/curtailed. No more unmarried women as customers, and no serving married women without a process in place to ensure that the husband consents to the process and is involved in every step of it.

    What no one else has said: What kind of father raises a daughter like this? Who brings up a woman this entitled and unsuitable for marriage?

    Well, we can only hope that if Sarah Lenti’s daddy did raise her to be a self-centered yougogrrrrrrrrrrrl princess that he’s reaping bitter fruit and drinking of bitter tears now.
    On the other hand, I think it’s also important to remember that we have only Lenti’s word that she was raised in a “traditional” home. Who even knows what her definition of “traditional” is? For all we know, it’s a home where mom and dad are married. That’s it. If that is indeed her definition, and if her parents were typical churchian progs, than her daddy is probably proud of her trainwreck of a life.

  108. Anonymous Reader says:

    For what it is worth, my understanding of sperm banks is that they were created in the 1960’s specifically to provide infertile married couples with a child that the mother would give birth to. This was pre-Roe, so it was an alternative to adoption. Some time in the 70’s or maybe early 80’s the Female Imperative demanded that it wasn’t “fair” to limit teh sperm to married women. The rest is history.

    It’s worth noting that this woman had to go the IVF route because of her age. She could have gone the sperm bank route in her mid 30’s and probably conceived, but chose not to do so for stated reasons that had nothing to do with her real reasons.

    Again, this is a classic example of where the standard “school / career / then marriage” path leads, even for UMC women.

  109. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    How many women realize that being a Single Mom makes them even less desirable for future marriage?

    Not many, because a Single Mom is surrounded by enablers. The men in her life — father, brothers, co-workers, pastors, girlfriends’ husbands — dutifully praise her for being a Strong, Independent Single Mom.

    Everyone praises her (though many don’t mean it). To do otherwise would be judging her choices, and would spark outrage and hysteria. Much easier to offer a quick word of praise, then slip out the back door.

  110. @rocko

    Authority and Responsibility for the actions of others go hand in hand. You cannot be responsible for the actions of rebels rebelling from that authority, save the responsibility of guarding against them as threats.

    Do I have authority over modern women? No. Therefore I have no responsibility for them, save the responsibility to guard against them as threats.

    I do, however, have a responsibility to the authority to which I am beholden, that of Christ. If they honestly seek answers about him, rather than asking rhetorical questions of scorn, I am responsible to do my part in saving their souls.

    But if I have a sister who will not listen to a word I say, or accept protection from me, and she goes into a red light district and gets raped, how am I responsible for her safety and actions? I am not.

  111. Snowy says:

    @Carolh

    We’re already there.

  112. feeriker says:

    Authority and Responsibility for the actions of others go hand in hand. You cannot be responsible for the actions of rebels rebelling from that authority, save the responsibility of guarding against them as threats.

    Well said! This also applies to so many other aspects of life that have nothing to do with the theme of this blog. It really ought to be etched in granite somewhere.

  113. Bee says:

    Consider also the massive costs she has already dumped on her society; 60 days in NICU for 2 premature babies. Plus all the neighbor, coworkers, and her parents that she has roped into helping her. And that does not count the high possibility that as teens her fatherless boys will wreak some crime or dysfunction on their neighbors and or themselves.

  114. feeriker says:

    Without Authority There Is No Responsibility

    This should be emblazoned on posters, bumperstickers, coffee mugs, t-shirts, and as many other media as possible and circulated as widely as possible.

  115. feeriker says:

    And that does not count the high possibility that as teens her fatherless boys will wreak some crime or dysfunction on their neighbors and or themselves.

    Not to worry. Sarah will just blame God/all men/the church/society for that. And of course she’ll express utter confusion and bewilderment as to why her sons would EVER do such horrible things. “Where did I go wrong?” will of course never be a question to roll off of her tongue or fingertips.

  116. I’m so grateful I was taught as a new Christian that my “desire” to only hook up with a hot, young thing with boobs the size of cantaloupes, the flexibility of an olympic gymnast, and the suction power of a Kirby vacuum cleaner was a result of my fallen nature and NOT what God wanted for in a wife for me. Oh, sure, I still regularly fantasize about such a creature, in every changing scenarios. But the flesh-and-blood woman I married is the best Christian WIFE I could hope for.

    The problem I see is that women are not taught their desire for the asshole, the jerk, the felon on a cycle is ONLY a fantasy and that you DENY that LUST because trying to FULFILL IT is the WORST possible choice you can make for your future.

    Lust is a lie. Not just Sexual Lust, but ALL Lusts. Lust for RICHES. Lust for FAME. Lust for APPROBATION. Lust promises what its fantasies can NEVER deliver. Not for men and certainly not for women.

  117. Anon says:

    The screening process for sperm donation is so stringent, and the compensation is so mediocre (or non-existent in some countries) that they couldn’t afford to set it at 6’2″ and expect to get more than a couple of donors

    There are mediocre banks and there are elite banks. The elite want 6’2″ or higher. That is in fact one of their most stringent requirements (second only to a top-flight degree or other very high intellectual accomplishment).

    Anonymous Reader,

    my understanding of sperm banks is that they were created in the 1960’s specifically to provide infertile married couples with a child that the mother would give birth to.

    That is right. And most well-meaning donors still think that is what the sperm will be used for.

  118. Anon says:

    Dalrock said :

    From this point of view, the sex doll is a masculine counterpart to the slew of technical, cultural, and legal innovations we have made for women over recent decades. While a large number of women still marry and remain married to a real life man, we have reordered our society around finding ways for women to have the benefits of marriage to a real man even when (for one reason or another) they are incapable of doing so.

    This is really the most important paragraph in the OP. Too many comments are fixating on unimportant details about some random conservative femtwat.

    Yes, our entire societal structure has been devoted to the FI. This is why democracy is unsustainable over time. While men vote for what benefits ALL people, women only vote for what they think benefits women (that too in the short term). When only landowning men could vote (1776-1920), men still did not make US immigration policy women-only, hence creating a surplus of women to have sex with. Men are just not like that.

    Note that everything that simulates a fancy life of AF/BB + makework jobs + massive government handouts + media interference for women is extremely costly. By contrast, VR sex will be cheap (in fact it will save men money). This is yet another metaphor about which sex is productive and which is a cost sink.

    This is why a large portion of the female gender is obsolete. Manginas and cuckservatives are obsolete too, but they already bear the cost of that. Women are yet to.

  119. Anon says:

    Someone with an anonymous Twitter account should send this article to Sarah Lenti’s Twitter :

    Where is Herbie Marcuse when you need him?

  120. CSI says:

    “Speaking of unfit, the infamous Jenny Erickson has given birth again. Not a dad in sight.”

    Jenny is the gift that keeps on giving. I found a link to an anonymous blog post which was probably written by her. In summary, Jenny (or whoever it is) claims wanting to have sex with your spouse more than once or twice a month is sex addiction. She fell victim to this sickness early in her marriage (actually if it was Jenny I doubt that very much), but soon recovered. Her husband didn’t though, and wanted sex everyday!

    http://thestir.cafemom.com/love/166559/my_husbands_sex_addiction_drove

    Given that she apparently got pregnant by a pump-and-dump I suppose she succumbed to “sex addiction” herself.

  121. Gunner Q says:

    Opus @ 5:55 am:
    There is a down-side to insisting on 6′ 2″ (and thank god you Americans don’t do metric – whcih I don’t relate to) for tall men impregnating tallish women will often produce those coming in at over 6′ 5″.

    Men who get above 6’2″ tend to develop back problems sooner and more severely than normal. Partly from the physics of having a long spine, partly from the world being designed for 5’6″ people. But women probably just think about the sexual dominance factor. Flipping the script, one wouldn’t respect a man for engineering a daughter likely to have FF-size breasts.

  122. Bee says:

    @CSI,

    “Her husband didn’t though, and wanted sex everyday!”

    Some men need sex every day.

    Sex every day can be just 20 minutes a day. That is just 1.4% of your day. Ladies, if you can’t give and help your future husband 1.4% of your day, don’t bother getting married.

  123. Luke says:

    Not mentioned explicitly re Sarah Lenti’s two bastard sons: if an newborn spends 60 days in the NICU, odds are pretty high that it’s going to be handicapped in a permanent, serious way.

  124. Looking at her younger pictures, She could have married the type of man she said she likes. She was pretty enough. I think there is something about her that chases men off. It is not the way she looked in her prime as so many here seem to think. I think there is something unlovable about her.

  125. Mineter says:

    @Feeriker
    Actually, your phrase could be modified /expanded:
    “Without responsibility there is no authority;
    Without authority there is no responsibility”

  126. Frank K says:

    “Neil Saavedra (of The Jesus Christ Show)”

    The Jesus Christ Show? Seriously? Is this how low Churchians have sunk, to use the Lord’s name in such a way? Good gravy, with a name like that you would expect the Lord to open that night’s show with joke laden monologue (Did you hear the one about two Pharisees in a bar?)

    I just looked up this abomination on Wikipedia and found this: The show is billed as “Hosted by Jesus Christ.” I guess I wasn’t too far off.

  127. feeriker says:

    “Neil Saavedra (of The Jesus Christ Show)”

    The Jesus Christ Show? Seriously? Is this how low Churchians have sunk, to use the Lord’s name in such a way?

    To be honest, if you were to walk into any random church in America on any given Sunday morning, odds are overwhelming that what you would find would be something very close to “The Jesus Christ Show.”

    You have to give Saavedra and Company points for honesty in not hiding what they’re all about.

  128. Jeff Strand says:

    “Speaking of unfit, the infamous Jenny Erickson has given birth again. Not a dad in sight.”

    That woman is disgusting.

  129. James K says:

    @Reede

    “I was thinking of going to Lebanon myself”

    “I know some Lebanese people here in Canada and overall they have good character.”

    You will need to have some long conversations with your Lebanese friends if you want to go to Lebanon. The Christian community there may be great, but it is a majority Muslim country that is a dangerous place for Westerners to visit. As a North American you would be a prime target for kidnapping and ransom.

  130. Anonymous Reader says:

    Paige
    Looking at her younger pictures, She could have married the type of man she said she likes. She was pretty enough.

    Sure, she said things. But what did she do? Actions vs. words.

  131. Frank K says:

    “To be honest, if you were to walk into any random church in America on any given Sunday morning, odds are overwhelming that what you would find would be something very close to “The Jesus Christ Show.”

    It’s been a loooong time since I’ve set foot in an Evangelical church. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that this has become par for the course. Some of them in my town have “interesting” names. One that comes to mind is “Element Church” which if I recall correctly has a sinus wave (as in a heartbeat sinus) as part of its logo.

    I just googled to find their website, and didn’t find one. I’m guessing they failed locally to attract a critical mass of collection plate donors, or maybe changed their name.

  132. @feeriker:

    Given the standard of most churches now, the “Jesus Christ Show” might be an improvement.

  133. CSI says:

    “Looking at her younger pictures, She could have married the type of man she said she likes. She was pretty enough.”

    Her type of man seems to be a 6’2″+ fit, very handsome, charismatic, wealthy CEO, politician or diplomat. She wasn’t quite pretty enough to score such an apex man. But she would just not have given any serious thought to finding a husband until her mid-30s. Although I’m sure her inner hamster has rewritten the series of short-term relationships with such men in her younger years into cruel betrayals by men who promised her commitment but would never deliver.

  134. Snowy says:

    @CSI

    No. Even in her early 30s she’s certainly no looker. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but she’s definitely not a 7 in my eyes. Maybe a 4 or 5. He has a very mannish dial. Not pretty by any stretch.

  135. Snowy says:

    That’s ‘she’. I don’t no how it came out ‘he’, but it fits.

  136. Snowy says:

    @Opus

    She did it likely only for the money

  137. They Call Me Tom says:

    50? That’s two decades abouts past the expiration date for marriage. What was she thinking waiting so long (if she was truly intetested in marriage… which waiting until 50 says she isn’t… she’s looking for a participation trophy… )… guess I answered my own question. What do they say on the other side of the Atlantic? Oh yeah… bloody ‘ell.

  138. Snowy says:

    I’ve been watching some of the classic “The Two Ronnies” (Ronnie Barker and Ronnie Corbett). I borrowed some DVDs I dug up from my local public library. I hadn’t watched them since they first came out in the late 70s and early 80s. It’s like watching them all over again, through new eyes. I highly recommend you watch their miniseries within the TV series titled “The Worm That Turned.” It’s totally relevant to the manosphere, and you really wonder how it actually got to air on TV, and via the BBC! My, how times have changed.

  139. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    You can watch The Two Ronnies, The Worm That Turned, on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcMd1F1acSo&list=PL1DB02CB56C1C20C1

  140. Snowy says:

    @Frank

    Condoms are no guarantee against contracting genital herpes during sex from an infectious woman. Look it up.

  141. Snowy says:

    @RPL

    Good find on “The Worm That Turned”. The show was prophetic indeed, and those two were very funny fellas.

  142. Mandy says:

    @csi
    She should have counted her blessings.

    I don’t think sex addiction exists, wanting sex daily is a sign of good health and good fortune as well as attraction to one’s spouse.

    When you are married 20 years and you’ve gone through severe illness, loss of a loved one, financial uncertainty you appreciate those early carefree days for what they were. A man who doesn’t want sex most days is either ill, not attracted to his spouse, anxious about something like job loss or loss of a loved one or old.

  143. Frank K says:

    “Condoms are no guarantee against contracting genital herpes during sex from an infectious woman. Look it up.”

    Agreed, they are not fool proof. But they do reduce the risk, Of course, there is only one way to not get them. and that is to not have sex with an infected woman. Since most young women now ride the carousel, including the ones sitting in church pews, the probability of finding an uninfected woman has never been so low. I guess that fits in with the title of this thread “Unfit for a real relationship”

  144. Fiddlesticks says:

    @CSI
    Her type of man seems to be a 6’2″+ fit, very handsome, charismatic, wealthy CEO, politician or diplomat.

    We’re doing a horrible job of teaching women just how rare men like this are. Basically she wanted someone in the top 5% of height who was ALSO in the top 5% of income and ALSO in probably at least the top 30% of looks and ALSO was willing to offer a lifetime commitment.

    So – being real generous here – 30% of 5% of 5%, or 1 in 1,333 men.

    As Cornell economics professor Robert H. Frank notes, “potential contestants in winner-take-all markets tend to overestimate their odds of success.” And more so if they have grown up in a culture that does nothing but enable them and cater to their most childish, entitled notions.

  145. “Fiddlesticks says:
    April 30, 2017 at 10:30 am
    @CSI
    Her type of man seems to be a 6’2″+ fit, very handsome, charismatic, wealthy CEO, politician or diplomat.

    We’re doing a horrible job of teaching women just how rare men like this are…”

    You can’t teach someone something that they don’t want to learn and won’t want to believe, especially when “they have grown up in a culture that does nothing but enable them and cater to their most childish, entitled notions.”

  146. theasdgamer says:

    she is only attracted to aloof jerks,

    AWALT, of course. What is there about aloof jerks that women like? Women like men who are dynamic, passionate, and authentic (DPA)–men who have a mission and don’t see women as higher status than themselves.

    The Golden Rule must be applied with wisdom here. We cannot behave like equalists as Christian men–we cannot treat our wives like they are men. Rather, we must pursue our mission and expect our wives to follow submissively and supportively. They will fail from time to time and we must correct with wisdom. We ought not submit to our wives like we want our wives to submit to us. Rather, we ought to fulfill our masculine roles like we want our wives to fulfill their feminine roles. This is a proper application of the Golden Rule to marriage. We want our wives to be sexually attractive to us, so we ought to be sexually attractive to our wives. We must be DPA. This will necessarily take us away from our wives on occasion and create some Dread which will make us more sexually attractive to our wives.

    We ought not think that Dread is a bad thing for women just because we wouldn’t want Dread to be part of our lives as men. Dread actually enriches a woman’s emotional life because women aren’t like men. Dread gives women emotional falls and her husband’s presence gives her an emotional lift. Women actually enjoy this stuff. We men would hate it.

    It’s possible to err in not giving your wife enough of your attention…women need comfort along with flirting (to create sexual tension), drama, and validation. As husbands, it is our role to give these emotional provisions to our wives and we have to be around our wives for many types of comfort and rapport (which is a type of comfort).

    By the way, things with Mrs. Gamer are generally low drama any more and she is still in love with me. People have been saying that I’m doing the marriage thing all wrong. How many years has it been since some here were predicting my imminent divorce? Oh, but I’m an idiot, lol. Would that more men were as idiotic as I am.

  147. @theadsgamer,
    When your wife dies happily at an old age, without divorcing you, we’ll have the necessary data to see if your way really does work long term, or if you are simply scorning other men.

    Of course, by then, the legal, cultural, and technological environment will have changed so much as to make your advice obsolete.

    Thus, I do the one thing guaranteed not to lead to divorce or murder: I don’t get married.

  148. Anon says:

    Dear adsgamer,

    Did you marry off either of your two daughters yet? They are well into their 30s now, I gather…

  149. theasdgamer says:

    @Josh

    When your wife dies happily at an old age, without divorcing you, we’ll have the necessary data to see if your way really does work long term

    The claim was made over a year ago that I would be divorced within six months. That has not happened. You are now moving the goalposts.

    if you are simply scorning other men.

    You didn’t like the empirical data, which discounted your theory and supported mine, so you engage in empty rhetoric.

    Thus, I do the one thing guaranteed not to lead to divorce or murder: I don’t get married.

    Not getting married is perfectly acceptable. No one says that marriage is a requirement to live a full life. I don’t encourage marriage.

    @anon

    Did you marry off either of your two daughters yet? They are well into their 30s now, I gather…

    Why do you care? Are you a stalker?

  150. Anon says:

    Why do you care? Are you a stalker?

    I don’t. It is just that you made such a huge, confrontational, cartoonish-chivalry fuss about it back in the day, telling men they are ‘not good enough’, yet desperately begging them to take on your 30+ daughters. To your credit, you became red pill after the fact.

    It appears the answer to my question is “No, both are still unmarried.”

  151. Otto Lamp says:

    @Frank K,

    Evangelical Christianity is going off the rails, because charlatans have taken over.

    Gateway Church (4th largest in US) is laying off staff, because they overspent $23 million dollars last year, despite taking in $127 million (Robert Morris is Mr. Tithing who issued a money back guarantee to anyone that would start tithing to his church, because he claims tithers are protected by God from experiencing financial setbacks).

    Benny Hinn was raided by the IRS recently.

    Joyce Meyers had to retract her claim that she had EARNED a doctorate degree (she has an earned high school diploma and an HONORARY doctorate from a diploma mill).

    Stories on all these at this link: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/

  152. Otto Lamp says:

    “What is there about aloof jerks that women like?”

    To quote Grouch Marx: “I don’t want to belong to any club that would accept me as one of its members.”

    Women want to move UP the ladder. If a guy is excited about snagging a woman, then she assumes he is at best a lateral move (or at worst a move down). If the guy is aloof, then she know he is used to better, so he must be a step up for her.

  153. @theadsgamer

    First off, I’m glad you’re not a marriage-pusher, and that we agree on that point.

    However, if I was not one of those predicting your divorce within 6 months, then I can’t exactly move goal-posts I didn’t set, now can I?

    My objection is not to you providing data. My objection is to your own rhetoric, based on that data. My objection is based on two points. First, your rhetoric is scornful. Second, because in my view, data about marriage survival can not be both sufficiently tested, and relevant at the same time. So the scornful rhetoric is especially unsupported.

  154. Snowy says:

    Of course, Frank. Totally agree. The vast majority of women today are unfit for a real relationship with a man. Sexual fitness plays a huge part in that, at least from where I stand.

  155. Novaseeker says:

    But here’s some images of her in early 30s. She was above average in looks. A 7 maybe. She could have had her pick of most men. Just not the uber alphas she wanted.

    @CSI —

    Eh, everyone has different tastes, but to my eyes (and I live in DC so am judging her against the local market she was in before she moved from here), she’s not close to being a 7 and is quite average looking. She was thin, yes, but there are many much more attractive women in DC than that. She had access to certain men because of the circles she was in and presumably she was sexually available, which in itself is worth a point or two, and she was young. Those guys would never marry someone like her — I’ve seen their wives, and met them, and they don’t look like Lenti did even in her younger years.

  156. Jeff Strand says:

    “Condoms are no guarantee against contracting genital herpes during sex from an infectious woman. Look it up.”

    Agreed, they are not fool proof. But they do reduce the risk

    No, they don’t. Not for men, as recent studies have proven. So you are spreading disinformation here. If you were talking about women, you’d be correct. The studies showed SOME reduction in risk that HSV would be transmitted from an infected man to his female partner, if he wore a condom. This is because in men the virus “sheds” mainly from the penile shaft. So wearing a condom provides some protection to the woman.

    But in infected women, the virus “sheds” from her whole vulva area – as a man, you will have skin on skin contact with this area during intercourse EVEN IF you wear a condom. And sure enough, the studies show that wearing a condom provides exactly ZERO protection for a man who has intercourse with an infected woman.

    What this means is, if you are man, when it comes to herpes it makes no difference if you wear a condom or not. You are completely unprotected. (Of course, you should wear a condom to protect against other STD’s that are transmitted via bodily fluids, not to mention to prevent unwanted pregnancies)

    The upshot is, if you sleep around with a fairly large number of girls (say 15 to 20 in a lifetime), or with even a small number of prostitutes, you are VIRTUALLY CERTAIN to contract genital herpes. Whether you wear a condom or not. It is what it is.

  157. Frank K says:

    “No, they don’t. ”

    Not according to WebMD.

    But since I don’t bang sluts, I really don’t care.

  158. reede says:

    @James

    Actually the Lebanese I know are mostly Muslims. I’ve gone into this before and I don’t want to send people’s anti-Muslim hamsters spinning again, but at the moment the Maronite community is allied with Hezbollah in the protection of Lebanon. The biggest danger in Lebanon is another murderous assault in the south by Israel.

  159. Anon says:

    The upshot is, if you sleep around with a fairly large number of girls (say 15 to 20 in a lifetime), or with even a small number of prostitutes, you are VIRTUALLY CERTAIN to contract genital herpes.

    Not quite. It depends.

    My N is about 20, but all of them were college grads in professional jobs. That filters out a lot of lower-class women where these conditions are concentrated.

    Many PUAs with 50-200 Ns (such as Krauser, Blackdragon, Christian McQueen, etc.) also don’t seem to have gotten anything more than a minor skin disease.

    That said, STDs are yet another reason why VR sex is quite competitive with most real women. Add that to the list of VR sex ancillary advantages (in addition to monetary cost, flaking, FRAs, transit time to and from, poor feminine hygiene, farting, lefty political views, etc.).

  160. Toad says:

    @Frank K

    Just like how in LOTR, Aragorn can charge into a throng of Orcs and not get taken down.

    Not unrealistic. A nobleman who has undergone swordfighting instruction continuously since he was a child, who is now in his thirties with decades of training, who has been well fed his entire life, equipped with the most expensive weapons and armour and of tall northwestern European stock can take on a crowd of levied peasant conscripts, poorly trained, cheaply equipped, stunted from malnourishment, and from less physically robust stock.

  161. Anon says:

    Just like how in LOTR, Aragorn can charge into a throng of Orcs and not get taken down.

    From a D&D perspective, why would it be surprising that a high-level ranger (say, 20th level) with the best ever sword can flatten an army of 50 orcs, who each has just one hit dice and some shitty weapon?

    That Aragorn was about to lose the duel with the Olog-Hai near the end was the surprising part. The Olog-Hai should have been no match.

  162. MarcusD says:

    Did “wives submit to your husbands in everything” deter you from marriage?
    https://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=1050424

  163. Jeff Strand says:

    “No, they don’t. ”
    Not according to WebMD.

    That’s wrong. Here’s the definitive study, see for yourself:

    https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/ipsrh/2001/12/condoms-reduce-womens-risk-herpes-infection-do-not-protect-men

  164. Jeff Strand says:

    “Many PUAs with 50-200 Ns (such as Krauser, Blackdragon, Christian McQueen, etc.) also don’t seem to have gotten anything more than a minor skin disease.”

    Lol, that’s exactly what herpes is – a minor skin disease! You make my point for me.

    P.S. The majority of people who have it will never have a single outbreak, they remain completely asymtomatic their entire lives. So they have no reason to even suspect they’re infected. As a matter of fact, they will NEVER know they have it unless they have a specific blood test done to check for antibodies for the HSV2 virus.

  165. Anon says:

    Lol, that’s exactly what herpes is – a minor skin disease! You make my point for me.

    Something that is permanent is not ‘minor’, even if it is non-lethal..

  166. Original Laura says:

    Luke: It is unclear from what Lenti wrote whether she gave birth at 30 weeks or 32 weeks of gestation, as traditionally pregnancies are dated based on the first day of the last menstrual period, which might not be how IVF pregnancies are figured. In any case, once you make it past the 30 week mark these days, your chance of having a child with a profound disability greatly diminish as long as there is time to give prenatal steroids and to deliver by C-section, and the birth takes place in a hospital with a Level III NICU. At the 32 week mark, if prematurity is the baby’s only medical issue, the chances of living a perfectly normal life after leaving the hospital are almost as high as if he had been born full term. Boys are at higher risk than girls, though, and twins are at higher risk than singletons.

    I’m not clear on how old Lenti’s boys are at this point, but in the photos that others have posted above, they appear to have a pretty full set of baby teeth. Cerebral palsy is most often diagnosed in the 6 to 9 month range, and the children appear to be older than that already. Mental retardation was often diagnosed at around age two in decades past, but now they can use MRI/CATSCAN and ultrasound technology to evaluate a premature child’s brain in the first week or two after birth. The boys are at higher risk of having hyperactivity issues than if they had been born full term, but they look cute and healthy and will probably be fine from a physical point of view. It is the outlook for their social and moral development that is the more serious issue.

  167. Oscar says:

    @Frank K

    “Just like how in LOTR, Aragorn can charge into a throng of Orcs and not get taken down.”

    Have you ever read about David’s Mighty Men?

    2 San 23:8 These are the names of David’s mighty warriors: Josheb-Basshebeth, a Tahkemonite, was chief of the Three; he raised his spear against eight hundred men, whom he killed in one encounter.

    9 Next to him was Eleazar son of Dodai the Ahohite. As one of the three mighty warriors, he was with David when they taunted the Philistines gathered at Pas Dammim for battle. Then the Israelites retreated, 10 but Eleazar stood his ground and struck down the Philistines till his hand grew tired and froze to the sword. The Lord brought about a great victory that day. The troops returned to Eleazar, but only to strip the dead.

    11 Next to him was Shammah son of Agee the Hararite. When the Philistines banded together at a place where there was a field full of lentils, Israel’s troops fled from them. 12 But Shammah took his stand in the middle of the field. He defended it and struck the Philistines down, and the Lord brought about a great victory.

    18 Abishai the brother of Joab son of Zeruiah was chief of the Three. He raised his spear against three hundred men, whom he killed, and so he became as famous as the Three.

  168. Reading Lenti’s article…wow that sure was drama-packed. Something from the brooding writers of Ally McBeal.

    “Maybe a man could deny me love, but he would never deny me a child.”

    I mean, do American women really think like this?
    If so, man that is freaking hilarious.
    She’s a veritable Veruca Salt.

  169. Gunner Q says:

    “Just like how in LOTR, Aragorn can charge into a throng of Orcs and not get taken down.”

    “Have you ever read about David’s Mighty Men?”

    Yeah, feats like that were possible back when killing required actual skill. There was a big difference between quality & quantity.

    Incidentally, Uriah the Hittite was one of David’s Mighty Men. David didn’t cuckold an average soldier, he cuckolded the equivalent of Seal Team Six. Explains why he had Uriah abandoned on the front instead of just giving him the memo.

  170. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Rebellious Roman Catholic woman “bishop” ordains rebellious Roman Catholic woman “priest”: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/living/religion/article147737594.html

    This new woman Catholic “priest” was raised Presbyterian, is 64 years old, and is the divorced mother of two.

    I’m guessing she frivorced her husband late in life, and, being bored and alone once the kids were grown, decided she wanted to be a Catholic priest.

    Her own Presbyterian church accepts women priests, but she wanted to be a Catholic priest, so how dare anyone impose rules that prevent her from getting what she wants.

  171. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    From the article:

    But Bridget Mary Meehan, a Florida-based bishop with the Association of Roman Catholic Priests, pointed to Mary Magdalene, also a major disciple of Jesus in the Gospels.

    “The risen Christ appeared first to Mary Magdalene, not to (apostle) Peter, and called on her to announce the good news of Christianity – the resurrection being the central message of Christianity,” Meehan said. “Mary Magdalene was the apostle to the apostles.”

    I’m not aware that Jesus had any “major” disciples. He had disciples, 12 of whom were apostles. But there were no major vs. minor disciples.

    Mary Meehan is trying to increase Mary Magdalene’s status, so as to boost the status of all women in the church.

  172. Jeff Strand says:

    “Something that is permanent is not ‘minor’, even if it is non-lethal..”

    Considering that the majority of those infected will never experience a single outbreak or symptom in their entire lifetime, it’s about as minor as it gets. Only real danger is for a newborn baby, if the mother is having an outbreak and delivers the baby the old fashioned way, through the birth canal.

  173. Otto Lamp says:

    “Maybe a man could deny me love, but he would never deny me a child.”

    Actually, he can.

    Creating a child requires both parents to compromise. She is under no obligation to allow him to impregnate her, and he is under no obligation to provide her with his seed. That’s just the way it is.

    She seems to have come to the conclusion that she has a right to his semen, whether he wants to provide it or not.

    The trouble with feminism is eventually you run out of men willing to cooperate.

  174. Otto Lamp says:

    Or, more accurately…

    The trouble with feminism is eventually you run out of men willing to provide you with semen.

  175. PokeSalad says:

    Did “wives submit to your husbands in everything” deter you from marriage?

    The prevailing opinion has certainly deterred me.

  176. Oscar says:

    @ Anon says:
    April 30, 2017 at 2:50 pm

    “It appears the answer to my question is ‘No, both are still unmarried’.”

    Unfit for a real marriage?

  177. Ray Manta says:

    Jeff Strand says:

    That’s wrong. Here’s the definitive study, see for yourself:

    The url below has a study showing the opposite conclusion of the one you referenced – that condoms do confer some protective benefit to men. But it seems reasonable that women benefit more from them than men do.
    http://www.thehelpernewsletter.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=117:how-effective-are-condoms-at-reducing-the-risk-of-herpes-simplex-virus-2-hsv-2&catid=171:risk-reduction&Itemid=231

    One interesting quote from the study (yours, not mine):

    Women acquired the virus at a rate of 8.9 per 10,000 sex acts–almost six times the rate of men (1.5 per 10,000 sex acts).

    So women are significantly more likely to acquire herpes than men are, just as they more likely to acquire most VDs. Guess it comes down to the nature of the plumbing.

  178. dwellerman says:

    “Guess it comes down to the nature of the plumbing.” … and the rate of exposure.

  179. Yet Another Commenter, Yet Another Comment ("Yac-Yac") says:

    May 1, 2017 at 10:34 am>/i>, Red Pill Latecomer shared:

    “Rebellious Roman Catholic woman “bishop” ordains rebellious Roman Catholic woman “priest” […]”

    .

    Wow. Cool. So, IIUC, seven Canadians, five Aussies, and two Brits who have never been to the US and don’t even have any American relatives, together all have the legal authority to elect a random non-US-citizen New Zealander to the American Congress. I didn’t realize it worked that way.

    In fact, I think I’ll just declare myself Emperor of Japan, or whatever: “I am the Emperor of Japan”.

    Ha! Look! I did it! It’s so easy! Who knew?!?

    RPL, if the gig interests you, I’ll declare you fourth in line for the British Crown.

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  182. richardjalba says:

    I’m gonna jump in with what I know on the subject. This is just the way the world is now. Long before my time, women were meant to wait and find a successful man who can provide them their own material securities. The men were also secure partners. But now that women can provide their own material securities, they are free to choose the men that they’ve always been attracted to – which was hardly ever the secure fellow. Instead it was the man with no long-term vision for security, but had an enticing edge to him.

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