What’s worse than man face? The schmoes who are attracted to it.

Instapundit linked to a brutal piece on The Death of Women’s Bodybuilding.  Even the author’s ostensible defense of female body builders is devastating:

However true that may seem on the onset, in reality, no man has the right to say that. Personal femininity is defined by each woman for herself and of herself; even if what’s staring at her in the mirror has developed a man face — five-o’clock shadow and all.

Even the seemingly gnarliest of females have an aspect of femininity. As long as she has a va-jay-jay and all X chromosomes, she could make a vintage cigar store Indian look like Cameron Diaz and somewhere in there is going to be a vestige of what makes her feel like a girl.

But the author’s greatest disgust is reserved for the men who find such women attractive:

Interestingly, there is a subculture that finds these extreme cases of masculinized women attractive and/or desirable. We tend to label these people “schmoes” — men who sexually fetishize female bodybuilders.

I used to look at these men in disgust for their perverse nature, booking private sessions for “posing” and “wrestling” and other general kinkiness. But, in respect to the female bodybuilders out there still intent on pushing the envelope, I’m going to change my mind.

These guys have shown their worth in saving some semblance of the upper echelon of female bodybuilding by putting their money where their whack-off lube is.

The disdain for schmoes is common in the industry.  Even the women who dedicate their lives to being hugely muscular are disgusted by the kind of man who would find hugely muscular women attractive.  From a Muscle Insider column Schmoes in Bodybuilding:

Go to any top bodybuilding show and hang out in the lobby near the female bodybuilders, and you’ll see them swarming around them like ants near a picnic basket! My first encounter with a schmoe was many years ago at a top bodybuilding contest. I was talking shop with a very muscular female pro bodybuilder who was in all the magazines at the time. All of the sudden she grimaced, tried to hide behind me, and cursed under her breath. Unfortunately, a schmoe had her in his sights and was making a beeline straight for her.

Even a post from femalemuscleblog trying to salvage the view of schmoes admits that schmoes are most commonly seen as disgusting for being turned on by women with large muscles:

The term schmoe  is a term used describe hardcore fans of female bodybuilders. They should not be confused with other men who just likes muscular women. Schmoes like a certain type of muscular woman. They like the most muscular, strongest, and athletic woman. Although schmoes are fans of the female bodybuilding in particular, they also enjoy fitness, figure, bikini, and physique competitions. Feelings about these types of fans are divided in the fitness industry . Usually, the term has a negative connotation. Stereotypes range from schmoes being perverts, awkward, pathetic, fetishists, or men with some form of mental defect…

…The idea of schmoes being mentally disturbed is repeated constantly. Liking muscular women can hardly be described as a mental disorder. It would be ludicrous to say so.

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120 Responses to What’s worse than man face? The schmoes who are attracted to it.

  1. ayatollah1988 says:

    Female bodybuilding has been killed and replaced by fitness chicks (aka Instagram attention whores) who do squats in yoga pants. It was inevitable that female bodybuilding would go from “I will crush you” to “look at my ass.” That’s how sports work. Male sports are competitions based on masculinity, skill, toughness, and brutality. Female sports will always devolve into beauty contests. I can’t name any of the top female tennis players but I do know who Anna Kournikova and Maria Sharapova are. Can’t name any top female golfers but I sure know who Michelle Wie is. Human nature is a bitch, sorry ladies. We just don’t care about how good you are at *our* sports. We just care about how good you look when you’re doing it.

  2. DrTorch says:

    Wow, the cognitive dissonance, inconsistency and hypocrisy is astounding. These are people accusing others of having a mental disorder.

    One important lesson here is that men should lead and most certainly NOT pedestalizes women. Women bodybuilders want to show off and be attractive to men. That’s a woman’s nature, and it’s only slightly amusing to see these sect take a very masculine image, then twist it to be viewed as feminine and attractive. But there’s room for varying tastes. What’s more telling is that these women turn around and abhor the weak men that give them exactly what they want.

    This is nothing that Chateau Heartiste hasn’t covered a million times.

  3. Cane Caldo says:

    Schmoes: A schmocking investigation.

  4. Cane Caldo says:

    @DrTorch

    Women bodybuilders want to show off and be attractive to men.

    They also want to do what the men do and compete with men. Women’s bodybuilding is a two-fer too far.

  5. All women’s sports are endangered since it’s just a matter of time until they are filled with men

  6. who “identify” as women.

  7. (God, I hate this stupid tablet.)

  8. Anon says:

    Female bodybuilding has been killed and replaced by fitness chicks (aka Instagram attention whores) who do squats in yoga pants. It was inevitable that female bodybuilding would go from “I will crush you” to “look at my ass.”

    I don’t have a problem with that. Better to be good at being in the female form, than a fifth-rate man.

    A fitness model exhibitionist like Jen Selter is better than a biceped female bodybuilder or some androgyne tranny. When everything from fat acceptance to androgyny is being normalized by perverts, Jen Selter may actually inspire other women to do what is right.

  9. Hank Flanders says:

    When did the word “fetish” become hijacked to mean “preferences,” anyway? My Intro to Psychology class in college described a fetish as a psychological disorder, characterized by the individual with the fetish being attracted to inanimate objects. It was also the only way the person could be sexually aroused. Of course, I took that class in 1998, and I know definitions change, particularly in the politically-charged field of psychology, but I still don’t understand why “fetish” is now being used to describe a simple preference in who one is attracted to. By the way, would these bloggers consider a man who is attracted to other men, particularly muscular men, as having a fetish, too? If not, then why should being attracted to a muscular woman be considered a “fetish?” Personally, I don’t find muscular women attractive (after a certain point), but “fetishist” is still the wrong word to describe men who do.

  10. ayatollah1988 says:

    @Anon

    I’m not complaining about the death of female bodybuilding, Girls who look like Lou Ferrigno make my penis shrivel up. But being a she-hulk has not been normalized. Being an attention whore *has* been normalized. That’s not a good thing. These girls on Instagram who turn “trying to be the hottest slut at the gym” into a sport are not part of any kind of good trend in society. Femininity = good. But showing it off to such an extent that you are basically a stripper minus the handjobs in the back room = bad.

  11. getalonghome says:

    Thanks so MUCH for introducing me to this concept, in ignorance of which I had heretofore been perfectly happy. 😉

  12. Personal femininity is defined by each woman for herself and of herself; even if what’s staring at her in the mirror has developed a man face — five-o’clock shadow and all.

    You can stop reading here. Every rationale that comes after it is fundamentally by the social constructivism I’m sure the author isn’t even aware he subscribes to. Femininity is a defined by a set of characteristic traits, aspects and attributes. In one breath the author presumes gender is relative, and in the other he proposes gender definitions are immutable.

    If Schmoes like a certain type of muscular woman; the most muscular, strongest, and athletic woman, we’re presuming this fetish is a perversion of attraction/arousal for a man based on the immutable fact that masculinity is characterized by strength, muscularity and athleticism. If femininity is subjective to the point it can be individually appreciated as hyper-muscularity, a “man’s” face and a five o’clock shadow then Schmoes would never be consider deviants or perverts. They are only deviants in a context defined by immutable gender norms which the author begins by saying are irrelevant.

    Later he describes an incident where he had to hide a female body builder from the attentions of a Schmoe yet we don’t consider him a Schmoe himself for basically White Knighting for hyper-masculinized women. By this definition, any man who would find a top tier female body builder arousing would be instantly suspect of being a pervert, where does that leave heterosexual female body builders? Their only prospects for sexual intimacy is to choose from the least egregious Schmoes in the dating pool.

  13. Frank K says:

    “Personal femininity is defined by each woman for herself and of herself; even if what’s staring at her in the mirror has developed a man face — five-o’clock shadow and all.”

    Words fail me.

  14. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    The modern concept of sexual fetish as something sick seems arbitrarily applied. To be aroused by a woman’s feet is a sick fetish. But to be aroused by a man’s asshole is a normal sexual orientation.

  15. DrTorch says:

    “Women’s bodybuilding is a two-fer”

    Yep.

  16. Jed Mask says:

    Lol… I gotta respect them womenfolkz who can lift up them big weights but I ain’t ever really got a “stiffy” looking at female Hercules lol.

    Smh… Men be MEN. Women be WOMEN. Case closed lol. Amen…

    ~ Bro. Jed

  17. Otto Lamp says:

    “When did the word “fetish” become hijacked to mean “preferences,” anyway? My Intro to Psychology class in college described a fetish as a psychological disorder, characterized by the individual with the fetish being attracted to inanimate objects.”

    From the standpoint of reproduction we are talking about inanimate objects.

    Female athletes who push themselves to extremes, invariably start failing to menstruate. Their reproductive systems shut down, because their body assumes they are (1) under too much physical stress to carry a baby to term and (2) a pregnancy at this time might prevent them from surviving whatever is putting them under the physical stress.

    Men being sexually attracted to women who cannot reproduce certainly is a fetish.

  18. Otto Lamp says:

    “Personal femininity is defined by each woman for herself and of herself; even if what’s staring at her in the mirror has developed a man face — five-o’clock shadow and all.”

    They can define it however THEY want, but that doesn’t mean I will accept their definition.

    Hence the death of female bodybuilding.

  19. Hank Flanders says:

    Otto Lamp

    From the standpoint of reproduction we are talking about inanimate objects…Men being sexually attracted to women who cannot reproduce certainly is a fetish.

    Guys, beware that if you’re still attracted to your wife once she’s through menopause, or if she’s barren before then, then you’re attracted to an inanimate object and are a fetishist.

  20. Mitch says:

    I prefer curvaceous and feminine looking female athletes. Early Serena Williams vs later Serena Williams comes to mind. Pre-surgery Simona Halep. Golfers Natalie Gulbis, Blair O’Niel, Kelly Rohrbach, Katie Detlefsen, Courtney Harter, Meghan Hardin. Snowboarder Clair Bidez. Pole vaulter Allison Stokke. Russian ice dancer Anna Semenovich. And of course the great German ice skater Katarina Witt. Guys like me used to be called “boob men” but now we need something more demeaning and condescending similar to “schmoes.” At this rate, maybe all forms of male heterosexual attraction can be categorized as a psychological disorder. Oh right, we already have it. It’s “toxic masculinity.” Gimme a break.

  21. Tarl says:

    Guys, beware that if you’re still attracted to your wife once she’s through menopause, or if she’s barren before then, then you’re attracted to an inanimate object and are a fetishist.

    My wife became an inanimate object long before she stopped menstruating, heh heh heh.

  22. Tarl says:

    There are some surprisingly strong women at my gym, but they’re not freaks of nature with “man face” (thank god) so I guess they’re not shooting themselves full of industrial strength hormones and thus still remain attractive.

  23. Otto Lamp says:

    “Guys, beware that if you’re still attracted to your wife once she’s through menopause, or if she’s barren before then, then you’re attracted to an inanimate object and are a fetishist.”

    Apples and oranges.

    Being married to a woman for a decade or more bonds you to her emotionally and physically. That’s natural.

    It’s a different story if a 25 year old man is primarily attracted to post-menopausal women. That’s a fetish.

  24. Dalrock says:

    @Otto Lamp

    It’s a different story if a 25 year old man is primarily attracted to post-menopausal women. That’s a fetish.

    Or women who look like dudes. I’m surprised this is controversial.

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  26. Hank Flanders says:

    Otto Lamp

    Apples and oranges.

    Being married to a woman for a decade or more bonds you to her emotionally and physically. That’s natural.

    It’s a different story if a 25 year old man is primarily attracted to post-menopausal women. That’s a fetish.

    OK, but you didn’t make any stipulations before. Your words were simply that, “Men being sexually attracted to women who cannot reproduce certainly is a fetish.” Nevertheless, being attracted to older women is still a preference, not a fetish. I think having a preference for older women, masculine women, or fat women is kind of odd, but the objects of their affection are at least still physically women, which is in contrast to situations in which people are sexually turned on by shoes, fire, or any number of things that don’t even have a person associated with them. That IS a mental disorder (i.e. a fetish).

  27. 8 in the Gate says:

    I once knew a girl with that “glow”
    Who had quite her pick of the beaus
    But she hit the juice hard, til she earned her man card
    Now all she attracts are the schmoes

  28. Gunner Q says:

    Let us take a moment to recall the classics of cinema:

  29. Hank Flanders says:

    Dalrock,

    Or women who look like dudes. I’m surprised this is controversial.

    Maybe the exact wording is only controversial to me, but it’s because I’ve also seen it go the other way with feminists trying to shame men for liking younger women. I’ve read their claims that it’s older men “fetishizing” younger women, as if there’s anything mentally wrong with a man finding beauty in the most beautiful thing in the world, simply because the Earth has revolved around the sun too many times since he was born. It’s not just feminists who do it, though. Those conservative friends of mine in your post “Why He Won’t Hear It” similarly try to shame older men who like younger women, claiming it’s “perverted.”

  30. Hank Flanders says:

    ..most beautiful thing in the world

    *physically beautiful, of course

  31. ayatollah1988 says:

    My theory on the She Hulk-Schmoe dynamic is that Schmoes think they actually have a chance with them because deep down, they know they are ugly. That’s why Schmoes are aggressive about it at conventions. They think the ladies are going to be flattered that someone is actually into their horrible bodies. They also make the mistake of assuming that since female bodybuilders are so masculine, that they want to be the masculine one in the relationship and want a less masculine guy. Not so. Female bodybuilders probably only go for women or guys who are more muscular than them.

  32. Bart says:

    I admire women who work out and stay fit, but the man-faced bodybuilders are pretty disgusting.

    Its hard to take women’s sports that seriously when a junior high aged boys soccer team can beat the Australian national women’s team 7-0. Think what the high school boys team could do.

  33. Fifty Seven says:

    Slightly OT, but weightlifting, so here ya go. Strong language.

  34. jg1 says:

    Here is another article by John Romano about women using steroids for bodybuilding where he had a roidhead girlfriend at some time in his life

    http://www.muscleenhancers.com/steroids/roids78.htm

  35. Spike says:

    ”’Like the lion tears the flesh off of a man,
    So is a woman who passes herself off as a male”
    -Bob Dylan, ”Foot Of Pride”

    Body building is and always has been the domain of the extremely narcissistic. Even in men, the idea of taking steroids – that shrink your testicles to raisins – would be so mortifying to the average man, that the average man wouldn’t do it. But not these guys. They pump and preen, to do what? – to pose on a velvet platform! I
    It isn’t even functional. Consider the UFC, where functional strength is a premium, because money rides on the ability of a man to oout-skill and out-muscle an opponent. If bodybuilding enabled that, then all UFC fighters would look like bodybuilders. Clearly they don’t.
    Men and women should work out and train. Training keeps you strong, vital and functional throughout your life. Men need it to insure their ability to work. Women need it to maintain their health, strength and vitality through childbearing and beyond.
    But not this freak-fest. No the drugs, the extreme diets, the fake tan, the man-face. This is vanity.
    As for schmoes, well – ”where there is a carcass the vultures will gather”.

  36. Fatmanjudo says:

    Fetish is just a word for kinks they are not into.

  37. Oscar says:

    @ ayatollah1988 says:
    March 31, 2017 at 12:17 pm

    “It was inevitable that female bodybuilding would go from ‘I will crush you’ to ‘look at my ass’. That’s how sports work. Male sports are competitions based on masculinity, skill, toughness, and brutality.”

    Bodybuilding has always been – and always will be – a beauty contest, regardless of the competitors’ sex. Bodybuilders win competitions based solely on their appearance, not what they can do. It’s never been an “I will crush you” sport because there has never been any crushing involved. It’s always been a “look at my ass” sport. In fact, male bodybuilders have their schmoes too.

  38. Tarl says:

    Here is another article by John Romano about women using steroids for bodybuilding

    From the article, the side effects: clitoral enlargement, rampant hair growth, chronic constipation, water retention, and intestinal gas, vaginal discharge, strengthening of her body odor, depression.

    Ewwwwwwwwwww!

    As he says: “A depressed, hairy woman with a pot belly, scathing body odor, a small penis and a case of the drip is considered by most potential lovers sexually repugnant and the source of great emotional trauma for some women.”

  39. Louis B says:

    Corey Everson when she was not in contest shape ,carrying fat and estrogen on her frame was quite beautiful .Corey looked like a voluptuous woman when she was noy in contest shape.Corey Everson didn’t tend to use androgenic steroids compared to the ugly Bev Francis .

  40. dpmonahan says:

    I’ve heard lots of male bodybuilders are gay or asexual so they don’t mind the negative effects of steroids on their reproductive organs. Looking at those photos I imagine the same can be said about the women. Creepy.

  41. Otto Lamp says:

    How are these extreme female bodybuilders different than the you-go-girl, empowered women of today?

    One is masculinizing their body, the other is masculinizing their personality.

    Both are hitting the same wall. Men DON’T like masculine women.

    As I tried to point out earlier, normal sexual attraction for men is related to reproduction. A masculinized female body does not signal she would be able to reproduce–it signals just the opposite. A masculinized female personality does not signal that she would be a good nurturer for children–it signals the opposite.

  42. ECM says:

    Personal femininity is defined by each woman for herself and of herself; even if what’s staring at her in the mirror has developed a man face — five-o’clock shadow and all.

    This is garden variety, ultra-generic, post-modernism posing, as it always does, as deep insight*–it’s of a piece with art critics saying anything is art if the artist says it is.

    *To the speaker/writer–not to people w/ semi-functioning brains.

  43. “normal sexual attraction for men is related to reproduction. A masculinized female body does not signal she would be able to reproduce–it signals just the opposite. A masculinized female personality does not signal that she would be a good nurturer for children–it signals the opposite.”

    What about the woman at the link below? Is her body in proper health for reproduction? She looks very athletic.

  44. Chris says:

    Mason Verger’s bodybuilder lesbian sister referred to Barney as a “f*****” for making a move on her in the shower after a workout in “Hannibal.” Just sayin’.

  45. Hose_B says:

    @Hank Flanders

    I’ve heard a twist describe as this….”Perverted is anything kinkier than what that person is comfortable with.” I believe Fetish to be the same. A fetish is anything odder than your own preferences.

    Fetish = preferences with a negative connotation.

  46. When I saw that title I thought it meant like Ronda Rousey and such… then I clicked the link. Ugh. Take women’s bodybuilding out back, shoot it three times in the head and burn the corpse. Gym sluts on instagram might not be great, but at least it encourages women to look like attractive females!

  47. Opus says:

    I would suggest that a liking for very muscular women is the taking to an extreme of a perfectly natural desire namely desire for a fit woman – such as Michelle Jenneke linked above – much as paedophilia is desire for youth, smooth skin and a flat stomach where that desire has gone to an extreme. These things are on a spectrum.

  48. bob k. mando says:

    hilarious.

    women don’t get jacked ( hell, there are hardly any MALE ‘body builders’ who aren’t juicing to one degree or another, Schwarzenegger and Ferrigno both used artificial enhancement ) without taking androgens.

    so you take a woman who is taking male hormones to enable her to even achieve her bizarre physiognomy … and she’s still hiding behind a man. even though she can probably bench 300lbs.

    and why is she hiding behind the man? because … she’s incapable of refusing the schmoe on her own? she’s going to wind up “wrestling” him for money if she doesn’t have a man protect her from the “weirdo”? because she just can’t help herself?

    and this woman is supposed to be allowed to vote?

  49. Otto Lamp says:

    “What about the woman at the link below? Is her body in proper health for reproduction? She looks very athletic.”

    Is there anyone that would define her as masculinized? She is athletic, as in good shape for a woman, but she doesn’t seem to have pushed it to the point that it has affected her fertility.

    Compare her to this picture of a female marathon runner:

    It’s common for female marathon runners to stop menstruating, due to the physical stress. Does this woman look sexually attractive?

    BTW, those were the first two images when I googled “female marathon runner”. The rest are not much better.

  50. Otto Lamp says:

    Two links of marathon runners:

  51. YK says:

    Maybe the schmoes have taken at face value the feminist promise about liberating men from the obligation of being the leader and protector in the relationship. In the arms of an Amazon, he can freely share his vulnerabilities. He can fantasize about his mistress beating up the boys who beat him up in high school – his willingness, indeed his eagerness, to be submissive to women puts him above conventionally attractive men in a Sensitive New Age Guy hierarchy.

    In reality, women despise weakness and vulnerability in men. No matter what rhetorical hoops they jump through about schmoes being no different from sports fans or groupies, there’s an *ewww* reaction that they can’t get rid of. They’re taking the schmoe’s money and roleplaying the time he was outwrestled by his older stepsister or whatever exquisite childhood trauma retarded his development, so it’s very hard for them to see him as an adult man worthy of sexual attention.

  52. safespaceplaypen says:

    lol women at all trying to lift lift lift just to make some gains or to get big or to get “athletic” is retarded – even the obsession over getting a nice ass is retarded too. You don’t have to exercise that much to be healthy lol and you don’t need to work out all that much to get a tight waist, or tight ass, nice legs or whatever. most of its just diet and genetics lolol. Women who end up lifting too much look like total shit, and women who end up jogging too much or who do too many uber-athletic activities look even worse, the only exception being girls with good genetics, but these girls would look even better if they chose to simply workout intermittently and eat properly.

    I notice a lot of “conservative” guys my in circle who obsess over chicks like Ronda Roussey or body building chicks “muh look they’re so talented and oh my god their so hot!!” and girls who “know how to hunt and use guns” lol. It’s all really gay cause i can tell their not really sincere about it and its obvious at the end of they day they’ll choose to jerk off to a tight-waist buttered up girly-acting porn star with huge knockers over Ronda any day of the week lololol.

  53. PeterW. says:

    It crosses my mind, too, that “schmoes” are considered legitimate targets because they prefer women, even highly unnatural women.

    In the modern PC media, no-one dares criticise men who have the same kind of attraction toward men.

  54. JK says:

    A bit off topic (but really not), you have to see this:

    This is a Cisco talk “Bringing Men into the I&C Conversation”.
    Yes, from Cisco, the people from the routers, switches, datacenters, voip telephones, etc…

  55. squid_hunt says:

    So, wait. No matter how ugly and mannish, they’re still feminine on the inside, but a man that is attracted to such a freakish creature is skewed? I don’t know that you should be allowed to parse that hair.

  56. Anon says:

    5 O’Clock shadows? Jesus H. Christ…

  57. Stroller says:

    OT but in Dalrock’s court:

    Better turn up the volume the younger generations apparently didn’t get the memo…

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/31/opinion/sunday/do-millennial-men-want-stay-at-home-wives.html?

  58. Oleaginous Outrager says:

    @Otto Lamp – All competitive marathon runners look like escapees from a concentration camp. I still don’t understand how such an activity has become enshrined as some paragon of athleticism.

  59. Anon says:

    I still don’t understand how such an activity has become enshrined as some paragon of athleticism.

    It is quite unhealthy too. Running on asphalt or concrete is extremely bad for the knees (humans evolved to walk on softer ground than that, and running is far more force than just walking). It is ill-advised if you still want functioning knees in your 60s and 70s…

  60. Greg Allan says:

    @Louis B

    “Corey Everson didn’t tend to use androgenic steroids compared to the ugly Bev Francis .”

    I trained alongside Bev Francis for a couple of years around 1980. At the time she was focussed on athletics and power lifting. I was in the environment as a javelin thrower. Her steroid use is problematic for me but in every other respect I have a great deal of admiration for her. Women trying to build large musculature was unusual at the time and she copped much criticism. Most of that was from women. Men were largely supportive.

  61. Jim says:

    When I saw that title I thought it meant like Ronda Rousey and such… then I clicked the link. Ugh. Take women’s bodybuilding out back, shoot it three times in the head and burn the corpse.

    Damn straight! Those….things looks so hideous! Like something out of a sci-fi horror film.
    What are these dumb bitches thinking? It’s like having the worst case of penis envy imaginable.

  62. Red Shambhala says:

    At the end of the day, masculinity and femininity complementary properties. You can’t have feminine women without masculine men, and you can’t have masculine men without feminine women.

    Leaving the chicken-egg-dilemma aside for a moment, the problem is that liberal feminists, conservative feminists and right-wing feminists all have in common that they hate non-masculine men (tumblr is basically 50% feminist politics and 50% 50 Shades of DaddyDom fantasies) but either support or are indifferent towards non-feminine women. So you get this phenomenon of mainstream conservative men who decry a lack of masculine willingness to defend and sacrifice yourself for women, “be a real men”, etc. but don’t decry the lack of femininity in women.

    Women have become FAR more masculine than men have become feminine. (Which is why a woman in pantsuit can rule Germany and, almost, the US but a guy with a skirt is something for pride parades).

    Many people’s ideals these days is a kind of “heterosexual gay marriage” with a masculine woman and a masculine man who is man enough to be with such a masculine woman.

    Another problem is that there simply seems to be more variability among men and that this is also true for sexuality; while women all have more or less the same 50 Shades fantasies, men’s sexuality greatly varies – so you have guys into FemDom (but they have to go to professional prostitutes to get that in real life) or you have guys into female bodybuilders (but they get despised because the female bodybuilders want man EVEN more muscular and dominant than they are and so on…

  63. Opus says:

    In the same way that women wanted to get in on the coffee-drinking fad of the Eighteenth century (and alternatively have coffee houses banned) and in the Nineteenth century began to smoke cigarettes and in both cases in emulation of men, Muscle-builders and Marathon-runners likewise seek to achieve what is of benefit to males. Coffee is, I suppose, usually harmless but that cannot be said of Tobacco. Those two Marathon Runners look repulsive and yet on some level the purpose of their taking up the activity must have been to attract the attention of men.

  64. Kevin says:

    Female body building was always doomed to fail and change into fitness modeling because few women want to look like men and because those body types are not feminine in any way.

    I want to take this in a different direction however. Almost all high level fitness models have breast implants. Nothing wrong with it – I fully support any woman making that choice. But why do they? Because fitness competitors in order to show their muscles have to reduce their body fat and the breast is mostly fat. So a fitness model can be very beautiful and athletic but it is also partly simulated. The thing I find interesting is societies attempt to make fitness models the female archetype. It’s false in the same way the female CEO as archetype is false. The female archetype is and always will be Eve because motherhood is the defining feminist feature and can be achieved and realized without enhancement.

    Another example. Super man vs Wonder Woman. Super man can be a male Archtype but Wonder Woman cannot. In the comics Wonder Woman is a big breasted fitness model. Some people wondered if they would cast a fitness model but they instead decided to rely on magic instead of form to explain her strength. But Wonder Woman being childless and not making any attempt on children means she can never be truly Woman, but the most extreme version of a fantasy trope – the warrior Woman (I think this was unintentionally highlighted in recent D.C. animation in which an angry Wonder Woman kills children – the antithesis of Eve). Basically no basis in reality.

    Fitness models may be beautiful but they strive through athletics and surgery to recreate youth/fertility. This highlights again our societies confusion about women and their diverging SMV and MMV. Eve has high SMV and MMV because female youth alone is generally beautiful without hitting the gym for hours (Emily Rakskjhikoski or whatever is “skinny fat” – no one cares how many squats she can do). Feminism has confused many but deep down most understand motherhood is the most beautiful feminine, and absolutely not muscle bulging freak women.

  65. Kevin says:

    Unrelated a bunch of people are giving relativistic interpretations of fetish. The word fetish may have been weaponized – hilariously against the most natural sexual attraction in the world – young fertile women (though of course pre-pubescent are disturbed perverts and depending on culture everything between that and 18-20 is varying degrees of questionable).

    There is a difference between someone who as a teen held the doorknob so mom could not enter while mastrubating and then as an adult gets off to doorknobs, and someone who is attracted to older women. A fetish often confines someone’s sexuality to a narrow devient range.

  66. Frank K says:

    Apparently, the left now expects us to be attracted not only to manly women, but to crossdressers as well:

    http://girlsjustwannahaveguns.com/if-youre-a-man-and-attracted-to-women-without-penises-youre-transphobic-watch/

  67. Frank K says:

    ” In the comics Wonder Woman is a big breasted fitness model.”

    Linda Carter portrayed a big breasted but not so fitness model Wonder Woman (which was fine with me). Fast forward to the present and the current live action Wonder Woman, Gal Gadot, isn’t quite so busty, Her bustier attempts to disguise that, but when she is in her civvies its obvious that she’s not so well endowed.

    “in recent D.C. animation in which an angry Wonder Woman kills children – the antithesis of Eve”

    She’s also a misanthrope in the newer comics. In the long running “Injustice, Gods Among Us” she joins an embittered Superman’s fascist regime (mostly because she wants to get into his bed) and commits countless crimes against humanity. I guess young men are supposed to be turned on by that these days,

  68. Otto Lamp says:

    ” The word fetish may have been weaponized – hilariously against the most natural sexual attraction in the world – young fertile women (though of course pre-pubescent are disturbed perverts and depending on culture everything between that and 18-20 is varying degrees of questionable).”

    Again, NORMAL men’s sexual attraction is based in reproduction.

    A 17 year old girl is at the prime of her fertility. Hence it is normal to be attracted to her (that doesn’t mean society shouldn’t set sexual boundaries around her for other good reasons, it just means it isn’t abnormal for a man to find a 17 year old girl sexually attractive).

    A pre-pubescent girl is not fertile. Sex with her is a reproductive dead end. Hence, a man feeling sexually attracted to her would be abnormal.

  69. Novaseeker says:

    Apparently, the left now expects us to be attracted not only to manly women, but to crossdressers as well:

    That’s an inevitability, really. It follows the logic perfectly. In fact there was a BBC documentary a year or two ago about a trans late teenager who met a boy at the beach with “her” friends, and when the boy learned she had a penis, he balked — this was portrayed very negatively. We can rest assured that in the near future it will be seen as the height of bigotry for straight men to decline to date and/or screw “women with penises”. After all, they’re “fully women”, per the reigning opinion, and therefore any reluctance on the part of straight men must be rank bigotry — cissexism and homophobia both. Only reason this is being pushed yet is because trans rights are not that secure yet. Give it another 5-10 and this argument will be standard.

  70. Hank Flanders says:

    Otto Lamp,

    In one sense, I see your point about it being so-called “normal” for men to have a preference for fertile women over non-fertile women. For instance, even though he’s married to a woman his age, a friend of mine who is in his 30s like I am has made the point several times about liking older women. In fact, the subject came up again this past week when he and I were having lunch.

    My friend is into Renee Russo and not just for the way she looked in she looked in Ransom or The Thomas Crown Affair, because I guess we all thought she was pretty hot back then, but he’s still into the way she looked in the much more recent Nightcrawler. Whenever the subject of his being attracted to older women comes up, I laugh; I roll my eyes; I tell him he’s weird.

    However, liking someone who’s no longer fertile is far-removed from liking someone who’s not fertile yet. These two scenarios are very different, are they not? From the way I see it, the former is just a funny quirk in some people. In contrast, the latter would problematic and not the least bit funny, as it could cause people to be harmed.

  71. Hank Flanders says:

    Kevin @ April 2, 2017 at 11:35 am, I totally agree.

  72. Frank K says:

    ” Only reason this is being pushed yet is because trans rights are not that secure yet. Give it another 5-10 and this argument will be standard.”

    Agreed, along with promoting pedophilia as “healthy and normal”. At least no once can force you to date anyone, beyond futile attempts to shame you for being “cissexist”. But your kids will be fair game, and if you try to interfere with your 12 year old daughter dating a 40 year old man, the boys in blue will be at your door quicker than you can say NAMBLA and they will remove her from your home. A brave new world awaits us.

    This reminds me of the novel “The Forever War”, which chronicles a multi-century war with an alien race. Due to the effects of relativistic time dilation. the story’s hero lives for centuries and encounters the future shock of Earth social changes, one of them being that homosexuality becomes the norm and old heterosexual warriors like him are regarded as “queers”

  73. Oscar says:

    Pretty soon, the only form of sex that will be seen as deviant is sex between a married man and his wife for the purpose of procreation.

  74. Frank K says:

    The leftists are already saying that a traditional two parent family is bad for children.

  75. Hank Flanders says:

    We’re already there, Oscar:

    Comments from this article (https://www.yahoo.com/news/proof-duggars-know-thing-two-160151289.html) about Jill Duggar’s cooking:

    “What they know about is spreading legs and fooling the uneducated into thinking it’s somehow commendable.”

    “They better they can’t keep their legs closed long enough so they learn to cook for Armies!!”

    “They know a thing or two about spreading their legs for the lord. All 100 of these disgusting breeders should get into one of those creepy church buses and drive it off of a cliff.”

    “Who cares about food. When are they going to learn how to say NO and close their legs?”

    “that’s about all the woman are good for in this cult, but the number one thing is them just laying there spreading their legs and having babies upon babies upon babies…..”

  76. Oscar says:

    @ Hank Flanders

    Well, crap.

  77. Anon says:

    Pretty soon, the only form of sex that will be seen as deviant is sex between a married man and his wife for the purpose of procreation.

    Soon? The whole Mike Pence thing was proof that leftists already think this. A man who is fully committed to his wife, and leftists go batshit…

  78. Anon says:

    Novaseeker,

    We can rest assured that in the near future it will be seen as the height of bigotry for straight men to decline to date and/or screw “women with penises”.

    This is why radical Islam should switch away from random terror and towards a slick marketing campaign of enforced gender normalcy and two-parent families with men holding most rights. They would gain far more traction in the West that way.

    Barring that, the scenario you mentioned will merely push more men into VR sex (which will be fully available within the timeline you mentioned), since the cost of dating women is just too high (add the risk of ‘chicks with dicks’ to the cost of dating real women, in addition to everything else)….

  79. Anon says:

    Oh, this is substantial material for a future Dalrock article :

    Mike Pence decides not to be alone with women other than his wife, in order ty pre-emptively prevent sexual harassment claims.

    Femtwats go apeshit, and prove how cause and effect are beyond their extremely limited mental faculties. Rig the game, and a man refuses to play. *gasp*

    Instead, tell him that he is not compliant with the new feminized version of Christianity.

    About 50-70% of women are obsolete (as are the manginas and cuckservatives that grovel to them).

  80. Anon says:

    Even worse : Pence’s desire to make it harder for the false-accusation extortionists is ‘evidence of Rape Culture.

  81. These women are repelled by the “schmoes” not because women (in general) are disgusted by men who find muscular women attractive. That has nothing to do with it. They are repelled by the “schmoes” because the “schmoes” are just beta orbiters. That is all. It is nothing more than that.

    Muscular women love it when men find them physically attractive (as they should.) The just can’t stand beta orbiters.

  82. Oscar says:

    @ Anon says:
    April 2, 2017 at 4:51 pm

    “Soon? The whole Mike Pence thing was proof that leftists already think this. A man who is fully committed to his wife, and leftists go batshit…”

    I stand corrected.

  83. Anon says:

    Oscar,

    ‘Feminists’ deserve full Islam. They want it, after all.

    The problem is, cuckservatives are whiteknights and are still shielding ‘feminists’ from this. If cuckservatives were smart, they would simply get out of the way (rather than be attacked by both sides while whiteknighting for femtwats).

  84. Lyn87 says:

    Whenever a sane person says that the left cannot possibly become more of a parody of itself than it already is, the left says, “Challenge Accepted!” and proves him wrong.

  85. infowarrior1 says:

    @Anon

    Feminists want Islam because the Burkha eliminates competition from better looking women.

  86. Anon says:

    Feminists want Islam because the Burkha eliminates competition from better looking women.

    No. That is only a small part of it, and most Muslim countries do not mandate the burkha.

    They just crave the treatment of women under Islam. They get gina tingles from it, so it is all driven by the female hindbrain.

  87. Oscar says:

    Anon,

    Come on, man. You need to get woke. Be real. Christians are the ones who will impose a theocratic dictatorship in the US that will subjugate women and turn them into sex slaves/incubators for the rich and powerful.

  88. Yet Another Commenter, Yet Another Comment ("Yac-Yac") says:

    Frank K says: April 2, 2017 at 11:49 am

    Apparently, the left now expects us to be attracted not only to manly women, but to crossdressers as well: [link deleted]

    Frank K says: April 2, 2017 at 3:02 pm

    The leftists are already saying that a traditional two parent family is bad for children. [snip]

    My reply here isn’t disagreement with Frank K, or anything like that.

    Rather, I just want to make an observation about the general phenomenon he’s drawing to our attention by his comments.

    It’s this: “What the left expects”; and what “the leftists are [already] saying”, — but I say to the Cultural Marxists’ faith in the efficacy their tactics: pfffft.

    Because, the only purpose for them (the Cultural Left) to say “it”, whatever exactly “it” might be in a particular instance, is to shame the targeted, contrasting behaviour or point of view (i.e., ours a.k.a. normalcy).

    Frank K is right, that is what they are doing, have been doing — since the accusations of “Male Chauvinist Pig” were being tossed around back in the 1960s, if not since analogous insults in various decades before that, even.

    But what the Cultural Left seems to not understand, is that shaming doesn’t work unless — for whatever reason — the targets of the shaming value the opinion or estimation of either the shamers, or of some target third-party audience the shamers know, the potentially shamed know, are watching.

    However, IMHO, now it’s 2017, no one in the intended target population (i.e., everyone else) gives a d_mn about the cultural values of, and the social engineering goals of, the Cultural Marxists (and the Political Left, in general).

    Sorry, Left: we can’t be shamed by you. We don’t care what you think anymore.

    And they (at some level) know that, or else they wouldn’t be resorting to threats and violence as they are now doing (I don’t mean the proxy violence of legislation, that’s old: I mean them beating up a teen for wearing a MAGA hat).

    When putative Ms. President Clinton called Red America a bunch of “deplorables”, did Red America give a d_mn?

    No. Arguably that utterance of that one word, “deplorables”, marks the exact spot in the campaign where she irretrievably lost herself the election. Right then, some chunk of Purple America realized it didn’t feel ashamed, decided she was an idiot, and decided they’d vote Trump.

    Tellingly, Candidate Trump had a lousy ground team, and unlike with the Democrats who had to work to “get out their vote”, Trump’s vote got itself out. It’s hardly a sign of skulking shame, doing that.

    I notice that some people commenting in this forum secretly agree with the Cultural Marxists, that the culture is a sort of ratchet (and so cultural “progress”, Leftist style, in un-reversible).

    No, it isn’t a ratchet.

    Or, if it ever was, then that ratchet is now broken (for the Left).

    The Left has lost.

    Mainstreet America (and Canada, and Australia, and Britain — well, south of the Clyde, anyway) doesn’t take them seriously any more, and ca. 2015 onwards could care less about the Cultural Left’s tsk-tsk-ing of normality.

    The real question, I think, is this: is the damage the political and cultural left has done to our civilization and its societal institutions so great, that it is beyond recovery, and is going to collapse anyway — or, is there time enough to repair the damage before the lights start to go out and the cities burn and 9-11 or 999 [the UK version] stops answering the phone forevermore?

    I have no idea which outcome lies in our future.

    But I am pretty sure that it’s the cultural Marxists who are the “conservatives” now, i.e., their job by and large for the next 30 years or so is going to be fighting to conserve the social and cultural changes that they’ve made since [pick one] 1960, or 1920, or 1870.

    Because those Political Leftist gains are either going down in flames along with the rest of civilization, or else going into the “repealed” sections of the law libraries as civilization recovers.

    It will just take a couple of decades before it is clear which outcome is our long-term future.

    IMHO, FWIIW, YMMV

    Pax Christi Vobiscum

  89. Lost Patrol says:

    @Anon

    Those Pence related articles are something else. It’s a diabolically ingenious trap. To not step into the trap is to be trapped by it, there is no escape from it once in, and the trap itself has no release mechanism.

  90. Anon says:

    The Left has lost.

    I wish, but that is sadly not the case.

    Given that what passes for the ‘right’ in America is almost fully left-wing, I fail to see how anyone can claim the left has ‘lost’.

    Republicans have been saying that for 25 years, even though Donald Trump himself is pretty much the same policy set of a Democrat circa 1984-94, AND cuckservatives are still obstructing him from the left.

  91. feeriker says:

    What are these dumb bitches thinking? It’s like having the worst case of penis envy imaginable.

    Don’t be surprised if it turns out that one (or more) of these “women” literally is trying to grow a penis (God knows, given the sick side effects of some of these steroids, she probably could do it) and proudly shows it off in one of tbe bodybuilder mags (“anything any man can do, I CAN DO BETTER!”).

  92. Jay Fink says:

    I am a non-masculine looking man (wimpy not feminine looking) who has no attraction to bodybuilding women or masculine women in general. I have a strong preference for feminine women especially mixed with some glam/superficiality.

    As has been mentioned, all women across the masculine-feminine spectrum love masculine men and hate non-masculine men. From my experience this is true although perhaps surprisingly the most disdain comes from more masculine women.

    As a weak wimpy male I received much hate from women over the decades although I ended up attracting a pretty Filipina and was in a LTR with her for a decade. I have been single again the past few years. I am well into middle age now (age 50) and for whatever reason I am attracting more women (no I’m not wealthy) and getting little or no hate these days. Perhaps age makes me more dominant? Everyone calls me “sir” these days. Anyway the most shocking thing is I am attracting younger women. I was dating an early 30s girl and now a 25 year old has fallen in love with me. A pretty good looking girl too. I talked about this on. Mainstream relationships internet forum and everyone was against it “you are in two different stages of life” was a nice reply with much more hostile reaponses. Anyway I don’t care, I’m going for it. She was born in 1992 when women my age were brutally rejecting me. Well now I wouldn’t want those old women anyway, I’ll take the young, fresh and pretty one.

  93. Bruce says:

    Women look best at 20-30% bodyfat (30 is a bit high but better than too low). Less than 20% bodyfat looks too manly to me.

  94. Ray Manta says:

    Bruce says:
    Women look best at 20-30% bodyfat (30 is a bit high but better than too low). Less than 20% bodyfat looks too manly to me.

    They have a nice soft feel to their bodies in that range. I liked men’s bodybuilding (1970s to early 80s era was best) but women’s bodybuilding always left me cold, even in its early days.

  95. Original Laura says:

    @Anon, I agree with you that the Left has not lost, but it isn’t winning either. I have noticed something somewhat similar to what @Yacyac brings up — people no longer think that multiculturalism, modern government, feminism, etc., can ever be made to “work” and they instead believe that the country is in an unfixable downward spiral. They don’t put any energy into trying to improve anything — they just want to find a way to survive.

  96. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Narcissistic Christian virtue-signaling gone overboard: https://www.pasadenaweekly.com/2017/03/30/building-bridges-2/

  97. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    the scenario you mentioned will merely push more men into VR sex (which will be fully available within the timeline you mentioned), since the cost of dating women is just too high (add the risk of ‘chicks with dicks’ to the cost of dating real women,

    In which case, “heteronormative” VR will be regarded as “hate.” Amazon will lump it together with Holocaust denial books (which they recently stopped selling). Google will prevent heteronormative VR sites from high rankings, making them difficult to find.

  98. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Frank K: This reminds me of the novel “The Forever War”, which chronicles a multi-century war with an alien race. Due to the effects of relativistic time dilation. the story’s hero lives for centuries and encounters the future shock of Earth social changes, one of them being that homosexuality becomes the norm and old heterosexual warriors like him are regarded as “queers”

    Also see Anthony Burgess’s The Wanting Seed, for a dystopic view of government encourage homosexuality. (Burgess is better known for A Clockwork Orange).

  99. Opus says:

    I am a great supporter of equality of the sexes. I, thus, thoroughly support the encouragement of female participants in the ancient Japanese sport of Sumo – even if the chicks are a bit skinny. I always support the underdog or should I say underbitch even if she is thrown to the floor. Indeed I am considering taking up the sport with a view to competing in the mixed event (or possibly tag-team event). I love the ritual of the warm up, the throwing of rice, the curses made at ones opponent even as one professes an air of total indifference, the Alpha-posturing and then eyes-down as seconds later our bodies clash and I grapple with her garment throwing my opponent this way and that although occasionally I will allow myself to be thrown as my opponent tumbles down on to me.

  100. Gunner Q says:

    Anon @ April 2, 2017 at 6:55 pm:
    “Oh, this is substantial material for a future Dalrock article : Mike Pence decides not to be alone with women other than his wife, in order to pre-emptively prevent sexual harassment claims.”

    I couldn’t believe this even qualified as a scandal. How dare a highly positioned, powerful man refuse to place himself in sexually compromising situations!

    Maybe there is substance to the conspiracy theories that the Deep State makes a point of collecting blackmail on Federal officials. Them getting peeved at not finding kinky kinks in Trump’s staff is the only reason I can see for an article like this seeing daylight.

  101. mts says:

    I can’t fathom why that article’s author is white knighting for these damaged women so. My only answer is since he’s a body builder and so are they, it’s more espirit de corps of standing up for your fellow tradesmen (women) when they’re being critiqued than any sex based motivation to charge in with his sword and shield to run interference for the little women. Sort of, “Oh, those lazy autoworkers at the Ford plant.” “What? I work at that plant – put you on the line and see how long you last, so shut your mouth about the autoworkers if you’ve never been one.” All his defenses of these modified females are so negative they can’t even be called damning with faint praise, since there’s so little praise he gives.

    The main takeaway of this whole story is never settle, never never, never. You’re miserable because you’re knowingly cheating yourself in order just to get someone, anyone, which today with Game and all there’s no excuse. And she can sense it a mile away, and she will be bitter at both you giving up and your seeing her as your step down. As mentioned above, these women aren’t recoiling from men, it’s from men they know hashed out before they came to the convention that with their low value, even they may be able to snag one of these damaged goods the way a blind squirrel gets a nut or a stopped clock is right twice a day, by accident. If it was Charlie Sheen, she’d be carrying him home over her shoulder.

    @Jay, I also am pleasantly surprised at how 20something women are much differently predisposed to me and just about anything I say in my 50s that would’ve gotten me yelled at or accused of harassment or whatever in my 20s when just asking how’s your night going so far would be seen as an unwanted aggression, and I was quite fit and muscular then vs. dumpy me now, and I drive a 19 year old dit-dot and dress like a regular guy, so it’s not projecting wealth or power. I rather like how my cheeks warm and my heart accelerates with I notice some smooth skinned girl staring at me then giving me that side-eyed smile when we lock eyes. I also have a black heart that enjoys the shudder women my age can’t hide from giving off when I notice them and push air out of my mouth in a “pfft” horse bray. I’ve gotten the “eww” lip curl too many times to feel guilty. Call up the Stones song Under My Thumb the next time you get a chance. Also, time IS on our side now in a way it wasn’t when we were the age of the girls scoping us now.

  102. Oscar says:

    Pastor Hans Fiene has another article over at The Federalist, this time about VP Mike Pence.

    http://thefederalist.com/2017/04/03/left-hates-mike-pence-loving-wife-dont-really-think-men-can-evil/

  103. Gunner Q says:

    Interesting that Fiene frames Pence’s behavior as trying to prevent himself from being tempted to soil the Capitol doves. Not a peep about how a feminist cornering him alone, especially with alcohol on-scene, can scream raaape and nuke him on a false accusation. Female conduct is beyond good & evil at this point. We’re talking self-defense from wild animals.

    He’s pleased to see Pence go to great lengths to keep his evil male nature in check but not a single word about the female half of adultery and lies.

  104. PuffyJacket says:

    Interesting how the 2 groups least compatible with Western Civ (feminists and radical Islam) work hand-in-hand against the West.

    Radical Islam fails to make in-roads in say, China, for the same reason feminism fails to make such in-roads there: Because their women cannot vote.

  105. Frank K says:

    @Original Laura – ” they instead believe that the country is in an unfixable downward spiral. They don’t put any energy into trying to improve anything — they just want to find a way to survive”

    I think the whole world is in an unfixable downward spiral.

  106. Frank K says:

    @Puffy Jacket –

    “Interesting how the 2 groups least compatible with Western Civ (feminists and radical Islam) work hand-in-hand against the West.”

    They see Western Civilization as the common enemy; though it is clear that feminists have not thought this through the end, unless e they really do want to want to wear burqas and be beaten by their husbands.

    “Radical Islam fails to make in-roads in say, China, for the same reason feminism fails to make such in-roads there: Because their women cannot vote.”

    Can anyone “vote” in the PRC? I’m sure they have elections, but are there any other parties besides the Communist Party? That said, the Chinese Communist Party (or whatever it’s officially called) is wise in suppressing Islam. Of course they suppress all religion, you can only legally attend one of the two state sanctioned “patriotic” churches.

    A year or so ago I went to see a Chinese dance show: Shen Yun. While the show was entertaining I learned too late that it was presented by the Falun Dafa (AKA Falun Dong). They went out of their way to make sure the audience knew they were persecuted in China, plus we were treated to some heavy duty proselytizing by them. Needless to say, I won’t be going back.

  107. Frank K says:

    @Gunner Q – ” Not a peep about how a feminist cornering him alone, especially with alcohol on-scene, can scream raaape and nuke him on a false accusation. Female conduct is beyond good & evil at this point. We’re talking self-defense from wild animals.”

    I seem to recall that Billy Graham had an unbreakable rule for himself and his staff: that they would never meet in private with a woman. IIRC, he said that the rule was in place to keep his organization above reproach. So it sounds like even back then some “church ladies” weren’t above throwing false accusations.

    My son is a freshly minted high school teacher. The male teachers are instructed, under very clear terms, that they are NEVER to be alone with a female student. This means that when class ends he immediately steps outside the classroom. If anyone wants to talk with him, they can do so as he walks to his next class, or to some other public area. He fully understands that if a female student were to cast a false accusation his way, and he had no witnesses to back him up, that he would be in BIG trouble. So yes, we are talking about “self-defense from wild animals.”

  108. PuffyJacket says:

    @Frank K

    They have “elections” in name only. But that means less electoral power for feminists, manginas and other assorted SJW-fags.

  109. Oscar says:

    @ Gunner Q says:
    April 3, 2017 at 1:01 pm

    “He’s pleased to see Pence go to great lengths to keep his evil male nature in check but not a single word about the female half of adultery and lies.”

    Pastor Fiene commits the same error he criticizes, but only with women, and he doesn’t realize it.

    @ Frank K says:
    April 3, 2017 at 1:20 pm

    “They see Western Civilization as the common enemy… ”

    You’re right, but I think it’s even more specific – and literally Diabolical – than that. I think they see Christianity as their common enemy. Western Civilization is incidental to them, because it has Christian roots. The feminists – at least – are happy to keep the West’s pagan roots.

    “… though it is clear that feminists have not thought this through the end, unless e they really do want to want to wear burqas and be beaten by their husbands.”

    Ain’t that the truth? Anon claims that feminists “… just crave the treatment of women under Islam. They get gina tingles from it, so it is all driven by the female hindbrain (April 2, 2017 at 8:12 pm).” I don’t know if that’s true, but it’s clear that they’ve applied exactly zero reason, logic or critical thought to the issue.

  110. Oscar says:

    @ Frank K says:
    April 3, 2017 at 1:30 pm

    “I seem to recall that Billy Graham had an unbreakable rule for himself and his staff: that they would never meet in private with a woman. IIRC, he said that the rule was in place to keep his organization above reproach. So it sounds like even back then some ‘church ladies’ weren’t above throwing false accusations.”

    That’s probably because Billy Graham actually believed what he read about Potiphar’s wife.

  111. Frank K says:

    I did a quick search. Women can vote in China. Not that it matters, as there is only one candidate.

    In reality, the only vote that counts or matters is that of the Central Committee.

  112. Frank K says:

    @Oscar – “You’re right, but I think it’s even more specific – and literally Diabolical – than that.”

    Of that there is no doubt, though I don’t think that feminists, or Muslims for that matter, are aware of Satan’s involvement. I was merely describing it from the feminist point of view.

  113. Frank K says:

    @Oscar – “That’s probably because Billy Graham actually believed what he read about Potiphar’s wife.”

    A tale as old as time. Or as the old saying goes: Hell hath no fury as a woman scorned.

  114. Opus says:

    When I was a very very young lawyer I was advised that should I ever need to go somewhere to interview a female that I should always take along another female. I adhered to that advice no matter the implausibility of the pretence. When I was a schoolboy my Head Master – a celibate man of the cloth – was accused of sexual assault by the middle-aged divorced Mother of one of the boys. A more unlikely story I cannot imagine; had my Headmaster had any sexual interest it would surely have been towards us boys rather than our Mothers. He evinced a complete lack of interest in any boy older than the age of fourteen – terrible Headmaster but not a Rapist.

    Your Vice President acts wisely.

  115. PuffyJacket says:

    @Oscar

    I think there’s a lot of truth to that. Watch any hardcore feminist talk about Christianity/Western Civ, and an inevitable frothing of the mouth occurs.

    Almost uncanny in its similarity to the way a Jihadist rails against the ‘evils’ of the West, even as they behead non-believers and torture with impunity.

  116. Oscar says:

    @ PuffyJacket

    It’s the only explanation that makes sense to me. Islam is EVERYTHING that feminists – and Leftists in general – falsely claim Christianity is. As I pointed out above, feminist fantasies about Christians forming brutal theocratic dictatorships that force women into sexual servitude are legion, and evergreen. Their fantasies remain nothing more than fantasies, while, at the same time, Islam is ACTUALLY DOING what they fantasize about, and yet feminists – and Leftists in general – embrace Islam wholeheartedly, as evidenced by the “Women’s March”.

    The only explanation that squares that circle is that feminism – and Leftism in general – are primarily animated by hatred towards Christianity and Christians, or more specifically, hatred towards the Biblical God. As Glenn Reynolds states, “most of Lefty politics boils down to ‘screw you, dad!'” and the Biblical God is the ultimate father figure.

    But no one hates Christians more than Muslims do, as evidenced by Christian persecution in Muslim lands, so Leftists see them as allies against their ultimate foe, as foolish and short sighted as that is.

  117. Anon says:

    Red Pill Latecomer,

    In which case, “heteronormative” VR will be regarded as “hate.” Amazon will lump it together with Holocaust denial books (which they recently stopped selling). Google will prevent heteronormative VR sites from high rankings, making them difficult to find.

    No. Internet porn is not banned, so this won’t be banned until it is far, far too late.

    Plus, Facebook, Microsoft, etc. will make tons of money FROM this. They will try to make VR porn for women, but as blue pill omegas, they will be baffled as to why the uptake is far less (there will be SOME uptake, but far less, analogous to the aggregate income nationwide earned by male strippers vs. female ones).

  118. Opus says:

    Off Topic

    Vox Day’s Alpha Game blog has a post up of a cry for help on Mum’s Net and I thought it would be of interest to Dalrock and all Dalrockians:

    A woman on the Mum’s Net site where everyone uses pseudonyms has given herself (so as to be further anonymous) a new pseudonym (!) for the purpose of asking a question. Her question is ‘should I be worried’ .The circumstances are that (and one must assume given the site that she is an unwedded or divorced mother) that having slept with her new boyfriend he enquires as to her N. She refuses to say. She thinks the problem has disappeared but at their next bout or encounter he asks again. She again replies evasively and so he says – ‘so its that many, then’. The guy strikes me as cool but the harridan’s on Mum’s Net predictably enough shame the guy with accusations of immaturity and point out in upwards of one hundred messages that the woman’s N is entirely immaterial. The woman confesses that the number is between two and four a year [so we may double that] though she does not say over how many years. The ideal answer for a woman in her situation is, of course: ‘My husband died working on an off-shore oil rig and he was the only man I have ever been with.’

    The Daily Mail have picked up the thread and apparently the DM comments are rife with misogyny.

  119. Frank K says:

    @Opus – “The woman confesses that the number is between two and four a year [so we may double that] though she does not say over how many years.”

    Amazing how women with N counts formerly associated only with the world’s oldest profession think of themselves as wife material.

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