Submit to her will, or she’ll use the family courts to take your children away.

If a wife were saying this to her husband, the story wouldn’t be newsworthy.  This would be the family courts functioning as designed.  But in this case, it was a social worker allegedly saying it to a single mother, and is therefore a miscarriage of family court justice. From the Orange County Register, County loses $4.9 million lawsuit challenge over lying social workers:

According to court papers, Vreeken threatened that if Fogarty-Hardwick did not “submit” to her will, she would never see her children again. The social workers also tried in 2000 to coerce Fogarty-Hardwick to sign a document saying she was a bad parent by threatening to take her daughters away, Fogarty-Hardwick alleged.

H/T Instapundit

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44 Responses to Submit to her will, or she’ll use the family courts to take your children away.

  1. Boxer says:

    Family courts need to be abolished. Sadly, this is the one evil aspect of contemporary society that I’m confident will exist long after I do. Human beings may build an escalator to the moon, or harness the power of the tides to create an otherwise utopia on earth, but the family courts will not go away. Let the Russians nuke us into the 19th century, and we’ll still have the family courts, I sweartagawd.

  2. Gunner Q says:

    I used to wonder why they couldn’t see the hypocrisy. Now I understand it’s an emo-female thing.

  3. Frank K says:

    How unsurprising that it was two women who did this to her. Also, it was encouraging to see that the two social workers will bear part of the brunt of the financial award, although I could see them being let off the hook in a not too distant future. Curiously, I didn’t see any note that the social workers had been dismissed from their no doubt highly paid government jobs, and that one of them had even been promoted in the meantime. ad they been men I am certain they would have been thrown under the bus upon the first accusartion of malfeasance. Yes, I know, there are almost no male social workers, and probably the lion’s share of them are homosexuals.

    I also found it interesting that the woman resorted to surrendering custody to her ex to keep the kids from remaining wards of the state. It seems that only under extreme circumstances such as this can a father gain full/majority custody of his children.

    The specter of the government seizing one’s children is one that should haunt all parents. It does seem that in this day and age that not only do bachelors need to “ghost” to stay out of trouble, but that families should do the same, lest they attract the unwanted attention of an overzealous social worker with an ax to grind.

  4. Original Laura says:

    The internet has gone a long way toward reducing the power of lying social workers. Basic advice is to keep a low profile and not attract the attention of Child Protective Services, and if you do find yourself under their scrutiny, immediately move to a state with no CPS reciprocity with your original jurisdiction. If you do get caught up with them, don’t let them into your house unless they have a warrant, don’t sign anything, appeal every decision the family court judge makes, and make an audio or video recording of every encounter you have with CPS. Social workers don’t think that perjury is wrong, because they are “protecting children.” And in many jurisdictions, the “social workers” do not have a degree in social work and are therefore not licensed professional social workers with a code of ethics. They are often have a degree in some kind of “studies” and could not find any other job.

    If they can’t get rid of CPS, they could at least reform it to the extent that the people who decide to remove the children from your home are not the same ones who get to decide which new family gets to adopt them. Although there are supposed to be safeguards in place to prevent social workers from taking “highly adoptable” babies and toddlers away from their biological families in order to be given to a social worker’s cousin or her best friend from college there have been many disturbing cases along these lines. There was a PBS documentary a number of years ago about child protection in the state of Maine that was really good. Even when the social workers thought that they were helping, they were making children’s lives worse.

    CPS never shuts up about how it only removes children from the home in the most serious cases, but this is almost the opposite of the truth. It’s relatively easy and cheap to find a foster home for a cute little toddler, and the federal government reimburses the agency at a rate that gives them a profit. In contrast, pre-teen and teenaged kids with behavioral problems need to be housed in secure facilities with a 24/7 professional staff, and these kids are a big drain on CPS resources. The same is true for younger children who have cerebral palsy with profound retardation, etc. Social workers don’t want to deal with the hard cases, but these are the children who are most at risk of actual neglect and abuse. “Social workers” don’t like to go to remote rural areas or high-crime housing projects, and they don’t want to deal with parents with convictions for violent felonies or schizophrenia, etc., so they often falsify reports to say that they knocked on the door and no one answered. This is how you end up with a dead child after abuse was reported by various neighbors 50 or more times. The “social workers” prefer to choose “clients” from among the working poor and lower middle class, as these people don’t have lawyers or powerful connections, and generally try to “follow the rules” to get their children back, at least until they figure out that the game is rigged. Social workers also avoid dealing with religious minorities because those cases often blow up in their faces and result in a lot of negative publicity.

    One or two states have the police investigate allegations of child abuse/neglect instead of social workers, and this is probably a better system, as it puts parents on notice that they have been accused of a crime AND the police aren’t as gutless about dealing with rotten people.

    The case that Dalrock has highlighted above is unusual in that the parents fought back and eventually won a substantial judgment, but it is not particularly uncommon for “social workers” to say to parents, “As far as you are concerned, I AM GOD.” Lots of people take jobs at CPS because they need the money, but the people who stick with it tend to be nasty power trippers, with the people at the top being absolutely evil. In this case, IIRC the children were separated from the parents for six and a half years, and the lawsuit ran for years also. Think about how many chances CPS had to take a step back and re-evaluate the decisions that they had made. Imagine the kind of industrial-strength Groupthink that allows CPS to argue that perjury laws shouldn’t apply to social workers, and that social workers can’t be expected to know that perjury laws apply to them.

  5. Anonymous Reader says:

    Gee, I wonder what the usual tradcon suspects like Wilson, Piper, Grudrem, Keller, etc. would have to say about this? Cognitive dissonance most likely – on the one hand, the theraputic state must be bowed down to, on the other hand a holy Single Mother has been inconvenienced! Most likely they’d punt and say nothing.

  6. With Original Laura’s well-stated points above, some more detail on this OC dept of social services matter here which some may find interesting:

    https://chronicleofsocialchange.org/blogger-co-op/lessons-child-welfare-california-right-lie-case/22026

    For example, would it surprise any of you that the social worker who made these threats and acted immorally and unethically, Ms. Marcia Vreeken, not only was never reprimanded or fired, but was actually promoted by the OC Dept of Social Services?

    “Vreeken is arguing that she is entitled to immunity because she didn’t know that lying to a court was a violation of the family’s constitutional rights. Sure, there’s a California statute that says you’re not supposed to do this, Vreeken’s lawyer conceded, and well, yes, she might have known it was immoral and unethical but, hey, that doesn’t mean it’s also unconstitutional.

    The oral arguments don’t indicate Orange County’s official position on this, but here’s a clue: Instead of firing Vreeken, the Orange County Department of Social Services promoted her. As of 2011, Vreeken was training other caseworkers.”

    Also, for those wanting a nicely framed, concise education on what CPS really is and what they actually do, see here:
    http://www.legalcrimesaz.com/resources/SCORECARD-Steve%20Isham-09052016.pdf

    On the one hand, I agree, CPS is staffed with sociopaths and maladjusted, officious jerks on power trips.

    On the other hand, 75% of children in the poorest communities of the US are being born to single-mothers, with a grand parade of horrific consequences for these children, not the least of which are violence, rape, drug abuse, prostitution, incarceration and suicide.

  7. Frank K says:

    I wish Californians would make good on their threats to secede.

  8. Also, very interesting that the burden of proof applied by CPS is “preponderance of the evidence”, which a lower standard, than “beyond reasonable doubt” which is higher and applied in most criminal cases.
    Graphical example: https://versus-varghesesummerse1.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/burden-of-proof-chart.jpg

    One might question, well, why the lower standard for crimes against children (physical, sexual, emotional abuse and neglect)?

    Well, one explanation might be, if you lower the standard of proof for your investigative and enforcement powers, then it means you can justify investigation and enforcement of more cases, because more cases will satisfy the lower burden of proof.
    You also have more broad-based power of enforcement. The lower standard beefs up the case workload (number of cases), helps justify higher and higher pay, higher budgets, more staff (and therefore promotions and Byzantine-like matrix hierarchies in org charts) and general justification of departmental existence.

  9. UK Fred says:

    Social workers are the same in the UK. Social workers lie and their team managers lie to cover their backs, then the next level of management up the hierarchy lies to cover the team manager. The complaint investigation is a whitewash, and the complaint review panel chairman refuses to even consider that the complaint investigation was not carried out competently, or in a manner designed to uncover the truth about errors involved in the investigation. This was my experience when our family was subjected to a child protection investigation when my then 3- year-old broke her leg. Fortunately for us, all activities of local authorities, including social work, can be subject to review by the Local Government Ombudsman (LGO). We asked for an apology. We were offered a family holiday if we dropped our demand for an apology after the LGO found that the local authority had failed to comply with the requirements of the relevant legislation and government guidance to local authorities and had lied to us to try to cover their errors. And people wonder why some victims of social workers resort to violence against them.

    Some years prior to this, there were two paediatricians, Geoffrey Wyatt and Marrietta Higgs, who would diagnose child sexual exploitation based on an unproven theory called ‘reflex anal dilatation’. A large number of children were ‘taken into care’ by the social workers working with these charlatans whose theories were later proved to be complete hogwash.

    There even earlier there were stories of ‘satanic abuse’ in one part of the country. Again a large number of children were taken into care on the imaginations of social workers. It took over a year before the children started to be returned to their parents.

    While a student at university, I came across a model for decision making, called implicit favourite and justification. It appears that social workers use this model in their professional lives throughout the western world.

  10. patriarchal landmine says:

    it’s far beyond time we choke women off from the source of their power: families. stop letting them have children. stop getting married. bring them to their knees.

  11. Original Laura says:

    @constrainedlocus: Single motherhood does not provide an ideal upbringing for a child, but “foster moms” are often dysfunctional single mothers themselves. The only difference is that they have no biological or psychological link to the child. Because foster parents can be sued by the biological parents or by the foster children once they age out of the system, CPS has trouble recruiting and retaining middle class foster parents. An upper-middle-class couple within my family began the process of becoming foster parents, but after spending some time with CPS, they decided not to get involved due to the creepiness factor.

    Once the child is inside the “confidential” foster care system, they become invisible both to their parents and to their extended family. They are bounced from school to school, family to family, and neighborhood to neighborhood. Older foster children often remark on the fact that each of the families they stayed with was a member of a different religious denomination, and they were expected to “convert” every time they moved. If children have to be removed from their homes, they should be sent to private orphanages run by their own religious denomination.

    Because of the perverse incentives of the foster care system, the social workers will move a deeply disturbed twelve or thirteen year old who has been caught molesting foster siblings to a new foster home to give him a fresh start, rather than sending him to an institution where he can be monitored 24/7. The new foster parents are not warned that the new boy molests younger children, so the pattern continues. It is far cheaper for CPS to move deeply troubled foster kids from home to home rather than to institutionalize them, and they are very focused on the money. By the time the troubled boy is finally sent to an institutional setting, he may well have molested dozens of children.

    It is possible for a child with a fairly crummy single mother to turn out pretty well if the extended family helps out, and if he stays in one school district and is allowed to form lasting friendships, etc. The kids who go into the foster care system from similar backgrounds always seem to end up dropping out of school, getting pregnant, or going to jail. When they “age out” of the system on their 18th birthday, they have no social network at all.

    CPS always claims that they are slow to remove children from the biological parents, and always place children with extended family members whenever possible. Both claims are false.

    Here are a couple of PBS Frontline documentaries from a while back:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/fostercare/

    This is a link to a Frontline program about a county child protection agency in Maine that took away two little girls from their mother and then allowed one of its own social workers to become the foster parent and later the adoptive parent of the children.

    There was a second, related documentary showing actual “cases” in progress in the state of Maine. This program is also an eye-opener:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/fostercare/caseworker/

  12. Lyn87 says:

    Frank K,

    CPS busybodies are right up there on the scumbag list next to (most) cops and (nearly all) prosecutors. The problem with going ghost is that you run the risk of ending up like the victims of the Island Pond raid in 1984, or, even worse, the Waco Massacre of 1993. They just wanted to be left alone, too. Of course, if a man or group of men wants to be left alone, he/they must be up to no good, right?

  13. Frank K says:

    “On the one hand, I agree, CPS is staffed with sociopaths and maladjusted, officious jerks on power trips.”

    Some years ago, a close relative was threatened by these egomaniacs over a trivial issue and he briefly considered evacuating his family from the “land of the free” to prevent the state from seizing his children. Fortunately, CPS lost interest in harassing him and nothing happened.

  14. Lyn87 says:

    Original Laura wrote,

    Because of the perverse incentives of the foster care system, the social workers will move a deeply disturbed twelve or thirteen year old who has been caught molesting foster siblings to a new foster home to give him a fresh start, rather than sending him to an institution where he can be monitored 24/7. The new foster parents are not warned that the new boy molests younger children, so the pattern continues. It is far cheaper for CPS to move deeply troubled foster kids from home to home rather than to institutionalize them, and they are very focused on the money. By the time the troubled boy is finally sent to an institutional setting, he may well have molested dozens of children.

    Et tu, Laura?

  15. Frank K says:

    By ghost I don’t mean heading for the hills, but simply “flying” under the radar as much as possible. For starters, this means avoiding public education in any way possible. It also means having a small social circle, which reduces the number of potential snitches. Of course, there is the issue of healthcare professionals, who are also snitches.

    In some cases it can’t be helped. In the case of my relative, his toddler woke up in the middle of the night from a nightmare. Somehow, the child found his way out of the house and at the neighbor’s front door, and he pounded on the door. Instead of taking the child back to his home, the neighbors called the police, and things went downhill pretty quickly. CPS threatened to seize his children because of that incident. He panicked and was planning to leave the country with his family to keep that from happening, by driving to the southern border (which was far as he lived on the east coast). I told him that if they fled and CPS came calling that there would be a manhunt and they would be caught before escaping and they would probably never see their kids again. They were quite frightened but stayed put. As I mentioned before, CPS apparently lost interest and never came back.

  16. Thornstruck says:

    @patriarchal landmine Thanks for the clip, now I’ve got to watch the whole thing.

    @Dalrock This is a topic near and dear to my heart and one of the biggest stumbling blocks for me to even consider marriage. I’d also recommend Divorce Corp, available through Netflix, which is related to the subject matter.

    If children weren’t involved I believe I could withstand a 50% divorce rate, to me it’s only money, but not when children are considered “inventory”. I grew up in a divorced household, which was anguishing enough and by God’s grace I wasn’t abused, but it still affected every aspect of my life. For me I will not go through divorce as an adult nor inflict that upon a child, through the family court system, as far as my part is concerned.

    You’ve discussed headship in the Biblical framework of marriage and I agree with your observations. Family courts are the weapon of choice used to undermine that headship.

  17. Original Laura says:

    What’s your point, Lyn87? It’s just meant as an example of poor management within the foster care system. I wasn’t trying to suggest that only males can be abusive. The scenario I described is not rare, and note that the hypothetical boy is not being offered treatment of any kind when he is still young and might benefit from it, even though he is quite likely a victim as well as a perpetrator. Instead, he is moved around to keep the issue hidden. Eventually he will age out of the system and stands a big risk of ending up in prison.

    Just for the record, many of the girls who are taken into foster care become world-class liars and manipulators, accusing every male who thwarts them with sexual abuse. After they become completely unmanageable, they are often returned to their parents in their late teens so that CPS doesn’t have to pay for them to be institutionalized. It is very common for CPS to re-unite the deeply disturbed kids with their parent, while the manageable teenagers are kept from having any contact with anyone in their family until a few months before their 18th birthday.

    Child Protective Services seems to be the government career of choice for evil, power-hungry females, so I’m not rooting for Team Woman here. The really interesting thing about CPS is that the biological parents, the foster parents and the foster children ALL hate CPS, because the social workers lie to everybody and keep promises to nobody.

  18. Jonadab-the-Rechabite says:

    CPS seems to believe that the law does not apply to them, they can perjurer, short cut due process, destroy families and take children from their parents to be made wards of the state all on a whim. CPS is populated with misandric bitter feminists with daddy issues that make Oedipus seem well adjusted by caparison. CPS is the tyrants dream for it operates without constraints and threatens the offspring and legacy of every male. I am glad that they got busted this once.

    I remember several years ago a bill in CO that was proposed to make CPS workers take a course on the constitution and the Bill of Rights as part of their continuing education requirements, alas it was killed in committee by the Democrats as too restrictive. The tyranny of the CPS is not a bug, but a feature of the Leviathan state and that by design.

  19. feeriker says:

    CPS seems to believe that the law does not apply to them

    Of course not. No agency of the State charged with enforcing compliance upon us Mere Mundanes thinks that the law applies to itself.

  20. Parson James says:

    See the taxpayer-paid attorney for the state arguing there is no law against social workers lying and perjuring themselves in civil court:

    http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/media/view_video.php?pk_vid=0000010323

    All to common

  21. Anon says:

    Frank K,

    I wish Californians would make good on their threats to secede.

    No. Then the new border states will just become blue as well (other than AZ, they already are) as expats come there. Then you will say you want them to secede.

    CA was a red state until 1988, which was pretty recent. You are falling into the cuckservative tendency of just ceding more and more ground to the left, rather than intelligently fighting back. I guarantee that nothing will strengthen the left more (at cuckservative expense), than what you wish for above…

  22. Frank K says:

    Anon – 1988 was a long time ago, and I lived in California at the time. And let me tell you, it wasn’t all that conservative back then. But if you think you can white knight and save California from itself, knock yourself out. PS. Thanks for the cheap shot, troll.

  23. Frank K says:

    Don – Sadly, that is no longer news.

  24. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Ironically, the media is full of news stories about overly lax CPS workers allowing killer methhead parents to keep their children, until the parents actually torture and kill their kids.

    KFI-AM’s reputedly conservative John and Ken Show often berate lazy social workers who didn’t intervene in time, and allowed bad parents to kill their kids.

    Similar to how they love to bash “deadbeat dads,” tradcons often call for tougher child protection laws, to protect kids from methhead, trailer trash (i.e., white) parents. Always feels good to bash men and whites, and to be seen as protecting women and children.

  25. Anon says:

    Frank K,

    Anon – 1988 was a long time ago, and I lived in California at the time. And let me tell you, it wasn’t all that conservative back then. But if you think you can white knight and save California from itself, knock yourself out. PS. Thanks for the cheap shot, troll.

    Your message is not even coherent. If it was red but not red, you can just as easily say it is blue but not blue now.

    But jumping to cede ground to a leftist, just you can get ready to cede more later, is THE definition of being a cuckservative. That is what you are.

  26. greyghost says:

    What made this a law suit and a story was that this was told to a mother. As Dalrock said this Can routinely be said to any father by any one with the “her” being the wife and mother.

  27. Opus says:

    When I was in California (the 1980s) I seem to recall that it wanted to cede from itself; that is to say, the North felt that it should not be required to send its water to the South and thus the North would be able to hold the South hostage, by returning the South to its true state as Desert. Lovely climate, though, it has to be said.

    It may be said (on the subject of Social Workers) that they have a difficult job but my own experience of them – professionally – is that they are not professional indeed frankly unsuited for their task (various horror stories). It is a line of work that seems to attract busy-body opinionated females: the same sort of people who inhabit the Tax Office and Benefit Department. I entirely concur with UKFred above, though not previously privy to his own unpleasant experiences at their hands.

  28. Heidi_storage says:

    You’ll love the comments on this CAF thread about “Proposed Bill to End ‘No-Fault’ Divorce”:

    http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=1037939

  29. Novaseeker says:

    That’s par for the course at CAF. Note how many of the commenters are agnostic or non-believers, as well. That forum is a laughing-stock.

  30. feeriker says:

    You’ll love the comments on this CAF thread about “Proposed Bill to End ‘No-Fault’ Divorce”:

    I know that this is a stupid (rhetorical) question, but why would any Catholic women be concerned about no-fault divorce?

    Maybe someone should post that very question over there (“Do explain, ladies, why ostensible Catholics would be in any way concerned about a practice that the Catholic church prohibits.”).

  31. Feminist Hater says:

    Notice how they complain about female suicide, just completely walking past the literal mountain of dead male bodies via suicide due to family courts and divorce. Males are the ones suffering under ‘no fault’ divorce and no one cares. These Catholic women don’t even care about Christianity not allowing it, they want no fault divorce ‘just in case’.

  32. Original Laura says:

    @Red Pill Latecomer: Imagine a 22-year-old female with a degree in art history. The only full-time job she can find is as a “social worker.” She is given the assignment of “investigating” possible child abuse at the home of a meth dealer. She drives and drives and finally gets to his nasty trailer which is guarded by pit bulls. She is scared to get out of her car because of the dogs, so she tries to call her office on her cell phone, but there is no cell phone coverage from that location. So she writes in her log book that she knocked on the door and no one was home, and she drives back to town. Her second assignment of the day is to “investigate” a working-class family accused of spanking a child in the Wal-Mart parking lot. When she arrives at the home, the clueless wife lets her in. Mr. & Mrs. Clueless are going to be put through the wringer, and may end up with their children placed in foster care, but nothing happens to Mr. & Mrs. Meth Dealer.

    If Ms. Art History has any sense of shame, and any degree of integrity, she will realize that what she is doing isn’t right, and she will start applying for other jobs and quickly exit from CPS. If she is pure evil, she will revel in her God-like powers and stay for 35 years, rising through the ranks. This is how CPS ends up with such a nasty, power-hungry cohort of employees.

    CPS claims that they only take children away in the most serious cases, but it really isn’t true. If the Meth Dealers ever lose their children to foster care, it will be because the police raid their home and CPS comes in while the police are there, at police request. The “social workers” avoid the housing projects, squatter camps, and remote rural homes where much of the worst abuse and neglect is occurring, and they also avoid working with the mentally ill.

  33. Original Laura says:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/443824/january-divorce-frequency-reveals-marriage-problems-potential-solutions

    @Dalrock: This article has a divorce-by-month chart that you might not have seen before.

  34. Boxer says:

    Before they threw me out, asking me never to return, I had a lot of fun at CAF. Much amusement is possible just by playing dumb, asking what part of the New Testament deals with the need for no-fault divorce, etc.

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  36. feeriker says:

    Original Laura says:
    January 14, 2017 at 11:43 am

    The only solution is to ensure that the women you describe fear for their very lives when dealing with ALL demographics. Make them confront the question of “is my life worth the well-being of somebody else’s kid?” Once they find themselves having to ask themselves that question multiple times per day, every day (and running out of clean underwear by noon), they’ll find some other more innocuous livelihood.

    Boxer says:
    January 14, 2017 at 12:51 pm

    That’s gotta be easier than shooting fish in a barrel. I could see getting bored with that quickly.

  37. Original Laura says:

    @feeriker I once read of a brand new child welfare worker who went into the local housing project to check on a child as ordered, and when she got back to her car it had been vandalized. When she got back to the office, she asked an older, more experienced black child welfare worker how to file for reimbursement for the damages to her car. The black lady told her that she would NOT be reimbursed by CPS for the damage, and then told her that she herself NEVER went into the housing projects to investigate anything, because “I have three children of my own who need me.”

    CPS needs to have a certain number of children in their system to justify their own existence and to keep the federal (per child) checks coming. They have no incentive to deal with the dregs of society, and a big incentive to bully and intimidate the working classes. When the inevitable tragedy occurs in a family that has been reported 50 times or more to CPS, they trot out the director to make a speech containing the usual phrases: (1) we aren’t sure exactly what happened yet — an investigation is ongoing; (2) we do everything we can to give families every possible chance to raise their own children, and sometimes we trust people too much; (3) caseworker workloads are too high — we need more money and more employees!; (4) new procedures are being put into place to keep this from ever happening again. They also like to say that the case “fell through the cracks” and they always pretend that they are grieving over the dead child.

  38. feeriker says:

    CPS needs to have a certain number of children in their system to justify their own existence and to keep the federal (per child) checks coming. They have no incentive to deal with the dregs of society, and a big incentive to bully and intimidate the working classes.

    Yes, and this underscores the point I was trying to make with my previous post. When harrassing the middle class/UMC in the lily-white ‘burbs becomes as hazardous to their lives or property as venturing into the ‘hood, that’s when these creatures wil be incentivized to quit and get real jobs.

  39. Tam the Bam says:

    Original L :-
    “So she writes in her log book that she knocked on the door and no one was home, and she drives back to town.”
    If the UPS or Amazon guy (occasionally girl) does that, they get fired. Phone pix of the stuff on the step, timestamped, or bye-bye.
    Original L:- #2 … “fell through the cracks”. That’s a notorious UK stand-up comedy closer. “Lessons will be learned”. It’s the perennial response of the Brit social/police mob when they’re caught out, recited without the least hint of sarcasm or self-awareness.
    It worked for the Rotherham thing, and all the others. Never mind the bollox, the collateral and survivors; the deaths (i.e. quasi-ritualistic child-murders) alone are estimated to run into the hundreds.
    “They say that death is a tragedy, it comes once, and .. I can’t lose muh pension”

    As far as I know, the guilty social workers in UK were inevitably “promoted” out of area. Not upwards. Just shunted into the sidings, with a pay rise. Sshhhhh ….

  40. Original Laura says:

    @Tam the Bam

    Of course, for a really big screw up, you need a Blue Ribbon Commission to study the situation for a couple of years and then write a paper about it.

    Interesting that child protection in the UK is remarkably similar to the US version even though we did not inherit our system from you.

  41. feeriker says:

    Interesting that child protection in the UK is remarkably similar to the US version even though we did not inherit our system from you.

    Actually, this is a universal phenomenon, one that makes perfect sense when you realize that government, in any form, has exactly ZE-RO incentive to care about anyone’s welfare, no matter what their age.

  42. ” Let the Russians nuke us into the 19th century, and we’ll still have the family courts, I sweartagawd.”

    Relevant news item:
    A bill aimed at decriminalising domestic violence to preserve the “tradition of parental authority” has easily passed through the first stage of approval in the Russian parliament.
    Ultra-conservative MP Yelena Mizulina, who chairs a committee on family and women’s affairs, proposed the bill to have “battery within families” taken out of Russia’s criminal code, removing the right of victims to press charges.
    “In Russian traditional family culture parent-child relationships are built on the authority of the parents’ power,” she told a meeting of parliament in Moscow. “The laws should support that family tradition.”

    The proposed law was approved by 368 MPs, with only one coming out in opposition.
    In July last year, Vladimir Putin oversaw an amendment to the law which declared family violence a criminal offence for the first time in Russia. Ms Mizulina and her supporters have been protesting the ruling ever since.
    “Battery carried out towards family members should be an administrative offence,” Ms Mizulina continued. “You don’t want people to be imprisoned for two years and labelled a criminal for the rest of their lives for a slap.”

    https://archive.is/aNXjm#selection-3793.0-3909.223

  43. Spike says:

    Question about this case: What did Fogarty-Hardwick originally do, such that it was necessary for the courts to “give her ex-husband full custody” of the children?
    Doesn’t “full custody” mean “full custody”, especially in the case where the father is the biological parent and is obviously up to the task of parenting, while the mother in this case is not?
    How then does the court ruling get eroded so SHE ends up with custody, and rewarded with what is going to be taxpayers money, for being a bad parent and a lawbreaker?

    Dalrock, you once mentioned that inversion of values is at the heart of the “Divorce Revolution”, with women in charge when they clearly should not be. This, however, goes one step further. It says the Law is consistent in its’inconsistency.

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