Tony Katz is too stingy to pay respect.

Conservative Radio host Tony Katz has a post up titled The World Needs More Men Not Boys. Not Social Justice Indoctrinated College Weenies. Men.

Katz rightly takes aim at the SJWs on college campuses teaching that masculinity is toxic:

College, it seems, thinks being a man is nothing more than a catch phrase for being an unrepentant rapist even if you’ve never had such a disgusting thought in your life, nor actually commited the violent act! In college, being a man means you’re unable to find love, incapable of dealing with your feelings, have (or one day will have!) contributed to the degredation of all women everywhere and, therefore, must be neutered in public and private.

But while criticizing SJWs for disrespecting manhood, Katz manages to disrespect respectable men.  Katz claims that as a real man, he is a rarity in a sea of boys:

Ive been a man all my life. My father was a man. My grandfathers were both men. My great great great grandfather was a man, as was his father before him.

…an entire generation of men are refusing to act like men because an entire generation of social justice lying jerks have told men that acting like men is a crime against themselves and humanity.

There are many males out there but there are very few men left in the world.

While we do seem to be witnessing changes on the margins, it simply isn’t true that the vast majority of men are irresponsible.  Feminism depends on men continuing to be men, and so far at least this gamble has worked quite well.  What is lacking is a sense of propriety by men towards other men.  We have become profoundly miserly with respect for respectable men.  This isn’t just a problem of a few showboating DJs or pastors posing as the only real man in the room;  this problem is widespread, and far more serious than the cancer of SJWs at our universities.

Some day the claim that most men aren’t responsible might actually become true, and as despicable as they are, SJWs won’t be the primary culprits for the massive social change.  The primary culprits will be the very men we so regularly see puffing themselves up as the specimen of glorious manhood amongst a sea of weakling boys.  The irony here is huge, because men like Katz are posing as the brave defenders of manhood standing up to to the SJW bullies.  But in reality they are taking the easy and cowardly way out by attacking the very men the SJW bullies so desperately want to eradicate.  They are sending the message to young men that if they become respectable not only will the radicals on campus despise them, but that other respectable men will likewise treat them with contempt.  The message is clear; respect isn’t on offer, even (and especially) from the most vocal voices pleading for more respectable men.

If Katz really wants to stand up to the SJWs he should instead honor the average men all around him who are quietly doing their duties despite a legal system and culture that holds respectable men with contempt.

H/T Instapundit

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42 Responses to Tony Katz is too stingy to pay respect.

  1. MarcusD says:

    Just saw this in the news (I had to double and triple check that it wasn’t the Onion):

    Why I Married Myself: These women dedicated their lives to self-love
    http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/a8507112/marrying-yourself-wedding-trend/

    I wonder how churches will respond to this. Will people like Katz go along with it, saying that a lack of men means that women must marry themselves?

    Also, if these one-person marriages fall apart, do men still get blamed?

  2. I would argue that the vast majority of anti-SJW men’s men are really Purple Pill guys who still defer to the Feminine Imperative because they were raised in a feminine-primary social order and they’re simply unaware of their Purple Pill evangelism.

    Just like ‘anti-feminist’ feminists hate SJW feminists, these guys are anti-SJW but still very much Blue Pill in their social awareness.

  3. We should nominate some contemporary men whom we all would agree to be respectable.

  4. Barracuda says:

    I am more than a little sick of the whole “men versus boys” thing far too many commentators fall into. Feminists claim “real men” act in a way deferential to women, somehow being all things women want at all times. Destructive “conservative” commentators like Tony Katz and Mark Driscoll likewise say to be a “real man” you have to behave like them. I do not need anyone else of either gender to tell me how I can be a “real man”. I’m a “real man” by virtue of having been born male and being an adult. No one ever questions women’s right to be called “real women”, but “boy” is an insult every man faces at some point. Enough. I say to all those who comment like this that you have no right to define what manhood means for others. Only God has that right.

  5. Damn Crackers says:

    White Knighthood is too rampant for now for any significant change to happen. Every media outfit from sports talk radio to conservative radio will always defend the woman, no matter what.

    I don’t know what will change the men in this society, unless we segregate the sexes like we did before. Unfortunately, I have a feeling it would just make a field day for the pederasts.

  6. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    MarcusD, self-weddings are perfect for modern Western women. They love weddings (being celebrated, being the focus of attention), but they hate the boring marriage to follow.

    the stigma for single women remains.

    Actually, the stigma is far worse for single men. For decades TV shows have depicted single men as losers living in their parents’ basements, as pedophiles, creeps, porn addicts, video game nerds, conspiracy theorists, political extremists, and serial killers. Women often refer to single men as losers, but freak out if anyone judges single women.

    Erika had been married once before, to her college sweetheart. After meeting as seniors at Kalamazoo College in Michigan, they married a few years later and moved to Europe. But she and her husband grew apart in the years after college, she says, and divorced when she was 30.

    So she was married. But she (most likely) abandoned her “commitment” simply because she and her husband “grew apart.” Apparently, Erika does not understand English well enough to understand the words in a marriage vow or the word “commitment..”

  7. Scott says:

    Thanks for this post, Dal.

    As you know this:

    he should instead honor the average men all around him who are quietly doing their duties despite a legal system and culture that holds respectable men with contempt.

    Is the entire point of my blog. So far, the response has been positive but with the caveat that speaks to what Damn Crackers is alluding to. What I do is make a post, then I share it on FB and tag the dad. Generally, I get comments from that dads friends (who are usually not my friends. My FB friend list is VERY small, on purpose) and the comments are characterized by “a well deserved tribute” followed by other statements related to how “hes not like all those deadbeats out there.”

    It is basically inconceivable to the average person that I am honoring fatherhood–as fatherhood. (Even though it is expressly written in the about page).

    It will take a miracle for this to change.

  8. infowarrior1 says:

    Manhood is summed up in:
    Strength, Honor, Mastery and Courage.

    As well as having a more dominant personality in comparison to the females of human race.

    Not deference to women or their wishes or whatever people want to bend males to their will.

  9. Broderick says:

    “[Erika] put on her old engagement ring, a big blue topaz she had bought for herself…”

    She bought her own engagement ring for her first marriage (her only marriage as far as I’m concerned – self-marriage does not count)? Is that now a thing, trying to prove how strong and independent she is by purchasing her own ring? Talk about emasculating her future husband. I can only pray he got off lightly and is now a wiser man.

    And, as a matter of course, failure at self-marriage will most certainly be blamed on men. It will be the fault of either (1) any former lovers/husbands or (2) all the men who failed to “man up” that her self image is so poor that she can’t even live with herself.

  10. Anon says:

    The red-pill response to uber-cuckservative Jim Geraghty’s ‘man up and marry those sluts’ video has been swift and decisive :

    Note how cuckservatives are doubling down. This means the revolution is near..

  11. Anon says:

    Damn Crackers,

    White Knighthood is too rampant for now for any significant change to happen. Every media outfit from sports talk radio to conservative radio will always defend the woman, no matter what.

    Oh, I disagree. The pump is working very hard just to create the level of artificial ‘female independence’ that we currently see. This has been explored in great depth by Dalrock’s ‘pump’ metaphor, as well as by old articles like The Misandry Bubble.

    Most government spending (maybe three fourths) comprises of transfers from men to women. In addition to this, we spend more than we collect in taxes (aka the deficit). This cumulative deficit has been another $15T in just the last 20 years alone, and this STILL represents only a fraction of the total transfer from men to women.

    Malinvestment like this eventually corrects. And how.

  12. The Jack Russell Terrorist says:

    Red Pill Latecomer says:
    January 4, 2017 at 6:55 pm

    MarcusD, self-weddings are perfect for modern Western women. They love weddings (being celebrated, being the focus of attention), but they hate the boring marriage to follow.

    the stigma for single women remains.

    I remember reading a post about marriage rates lowest ever and one woman(feminist) commented that men not marrying are depriving women of a wedding. Seems they want a wedding but not a marriage. I also remember a few days after Trump won, Alex Jones the talk show host said women in their mid 40s seem to be more frightened than before. He nailed it when he said their “husband” the govt. is not the provider they thought it would be.

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  14. The Question says:

    “The irony here is huge, because men like Katz are posing as the brave defenders of manhood standing up to to the SJW bullies. But in reality they are taking the easy and cowardly way out by attacking the very men the SJW bullies so desperately want to eradicate.”

    This guy touts that he’s a real man, and so was his father and his father before him. Does it ever occur to him that a lot of these “males” together struggling to figure things out might not have had the same kind of relationship with their father or grandfather, if at all? Maybe their father gave them terrible advice and counsel. Maybe these boys never had any older man, or anyone for that matter, looking out for them or their interests.

    You know, it’s funny; conservatives are big about as important fathers are, until it comes time to brag about how much of a man they themselves are. Then the discrepancy between their family backgrounds and that of others is completely ignored. They just pulled themselves up by their own bootstraps.

    I’m seeing this more and more; men and women tout, subtly or not, how much they’ve accomplished or rail against others for not achieving as much, but they utterly downplay or outright dismiss any underlying factors that may have contributed to their success and another person’s struggles. How they were raised is absolutely a fundamental issue. And none of them want to admit that had they grown up in a different environment they might not be in the position they are.

    It bothers me to no end that men who were surrounded by positive mentors during their pivotal years then look around and say, “I don’t understand why everyone else is just like me.”

    The last thing struggling men need right now is another person who has no idea what it’s like to be in their shoes telling them something’s wrong with them. What they need are older men they can trust who can offer them good counsel and will guide them and look out for their interests.

    For some reason, nobody really wants to do that.

  15. Cane Caldo says:

    While we do seem to be witnessing changes on the margins, it simply isn’t true that the vast majority of men are irresponsible.

    I’m not sure what to make of this claim.

    What did Katz mean by responsible? It seems to me he meant nothing more than “act like a male member of the Katz family”; which is stupid because that’s not what responsible means. Did Tom Katz’s father and grandfather tell their wives, sisters, and daughters that women aren’t men, and can’t do everything men can do? Did they ensure that those women were chaperoned (from the French, meaning “head-covered”) through life, or did they encourage them to go off to college, wander around alone, or live a single life?

    To talk about being responsible men is talk about being responsible for women and children.

  16. feeriker says:

    The last thing struggling men need right now is another person who has no idea what it’s like to be in their shoes telling them something’s wrong with them. What they need are older men they can trust who can offer them good counsel and will guide them and look out for their interests.

    For some reason, nobody really wants to do that.

    Once upon a time we lived in something vaguely resembling a society held together by relationships – marital, familial, community, spiritual, etcetera. Relationships that tended to be highly durable and long-lasting, if not always permanent. Relationships that were mutually beneficial and give-and-take. Relationships in which people looked beyond the self.

    All of that is gone now – even among so-called “Christian” families and communities. Everybody is disposable and fungible now, to the extent that they even matter at all. Children, especially male children, are props of temporary and discounted value who eventually become mostly distraction and burden. To the extent that fathers are allowed any influence in their sons’ lives at all by the culture, the church, or the law, they often come to see their sons as competition or disappointments more than as heirs. Then again, given the rampant misandry, both overt and subtle, that strives to see men fail, this is probably not surprising. The problem is that the sickness is so deeply ingrained as to be almost a normal part of men’s social and psychologicsl DNA, to the point that the patients don’t even realize that they’re sick, let alone terminal. This is why guys like Katz seem to offer evidence of recovery, only to relapse in the 11th hour.

  17. Anonymous Reader says:

    Dalrock
    If Katz really wants to stand up to the SJWs he should instead honor the average men all around him who are quietly doing their duties despite a legal system and culture that holds respectable men with contempt.

    Of course, if he did that, then he would no longer be The Only Real Man In The Room.

  18. Anonymous Reader says:

    If Katz really wants to stand up to the SJWs he should instead honor the average men all around him who are quietly doing their duties despite a legal system and culture that holds respectable men with contempt.

    If he did that, he would no longer be able to pose as The Only Real Man In The Room.

  19. pb says:

    AMOGing and pride…

  20. Damn Crackers says:

    @Anon – I hope you’re right. But tonight, I heard an ESPN radio interview with Syracuse U. football great Don McPherson. He is now a feminist and social activist, who is paid by universities to discuss “Toxic Masculinity” to athletes and students alike.

    Has “Toxic Femininity” ever been discussed anywhere?

  21. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Anon, that “Red Pill Response to Prager U.” MGTOW video says that men shouldn’t serve the interests of women, or their wives, but should instead follow their own dreams.

    I’d qualify that to say, men should serve the interests of women, provided that women serve the interests of men (as those interests are defined by pre-1950s patriarchal marriage).

    If men could be assured of having their rights to their children, their property, even access to their wives’ bodies, protected by law, then most men would eagerly “man up” and marry and serve the interests of their wives and children. It would be an investment, their wives and children being an asset that could not be stolen on a woman’s whim.

  22. Anon says:

    I’d qualify that to say, men should serve the interests of women, provided that women serve the interests of men (as those interests are defined by pre-1950s patriarchal marriage).

    That was true after marriage had occurred, but look at the back-end :

    World War 2 : 300,000 US men died. 16 women died.
    World War 1 : Even more lopsided.

    Marriage may have been well-balanced pre-1950, but overall misandry was not…

  23. Anon says:

    Damn Crackers,

    Has “Toxic Femininity” ever been discussed anywhere?

    It never will be. But the distortion will correct of its own accord, without most men ever becoming red pill. Remember Dalrock’s ‘pump’ metaphor. The pumps are working very, very hard at present.

  24. feeriker says:

    But tonight, I heard an ESPN radio interview with Syracuse U. football great Don McPherson. He is now a feminist and social activist, who is paid by universities to discuss “Toxic Masculinity” to athletes and students alike.

    Guys like that deserve to be mercilessly mocked and ridiculed by RP men. It will be a cakewalk compared to the betrayal they’ll eventually suffer at the hands of the feminist hags for whom they’re white knighting. Hopefully McPherson will suffer something that will make the Duke Lacrosse Rape Hoax case look like a small claims court squabble.

  25. Lyn87 says:

    I just looked up Tony Katz because I didn’t know anything about him. I have to say: if he tried to give “manliness” advice to my face I would probably laugh in his. First of all, he’s obese, and few things reduce your man-cred faster than gluttony and sloth. My first words might be, “Bro… Do you even lift?”

    Second, coming as I do from one of the few remaining backgrounds where a guy stil gets “default” respect (military), I don’t see much in the way of Katz’s background that qualifies him as any sort of expert on what a “real man” is or does. He’s a professional bloviator. I wonder how all his male ancestors he writes about – who probably had to put their lives on the line against North Koreans, Germans, and Japanese soldiers – would size HIM up. My guess is that they would shake their heads in disappointment.

    And don’t even get me started on the free pass they give to women. TFM sums it up well: after I got done mocking him for being a Nancy-boy Butterball, I’d probably insist that he tell me PRECISELY what criteria a man should be able to insist upon to determine if a woman was “real,” and then ask him how common he thinks those traits are. Needless to say, the “PragerU” archives are silent on the subject.

  26. Lost Patrol says:

    I had to read the Katz OP three times to make up my mind about him and what he’s saying, but I’m still not sure where he fits. Is he trying to AMOG us all, or is he actually trying to help but is showing areas of ignorance? Dalrock always has a way of pointing out where the emperor has no clothes, and I would not have found that on my own a year ago, I would have thought maybe this guy Katz is on to something; though I am always irritated by any man that seems to be striking a tough-guy pose (most especially if his physical appearance is pudgy and soft – H/T Lyn87).

    Katz calls out the correct problem set, he makes some claims that seem right to me, but he also makes statements that show he does not entirely grasp what is going on with a feminine primary social construct. In one case, he quotes Dr. Helen Smith that men are “…acting rationally in response to the lack of incentives society offers them to be responsible fathers, husbands and providers”, then he decides to say it “differently” and changes it something less effective. It’s like that throughout his OP, singles, doubles, strike outs.

    Katz has found the correct ballpark. He evens understands which team he is supposed to be rooting for, but he hasn’t figured out what game is being played. He thinks he knows baseball, but he’s watching cricket and calling out advice to the players on the field (pitch – Opus). He needs help. I was that man. Can he find his way to Dalrock and the manosphere? Can he be reoriented into a force for good? Or is he, like others we’ve seen on Dalrock, too ego invested in our current woman serving social order to be saved?

  27. Anon says:

    “It would be an investment, their wives and children being an asset that could not be stolen on a woman’s whim.”

    The gynocentric nanny State owns you and your children.
    It’s never going to relinquish that power.
    The end result with be conformity with the Police State or destruction,take your choice.

  28. Novaseeker says:

    Hmm.

    It strikes me that it has always been the case that among men respect has been something that is to be earned, and not just given. This developed in the context of tribes and then family and community groups where there were rites of passage, after which one earned the respect of being considered a man.

    We no longer have the connections of tribe, community and family like that, or rites of passage in any meaningful sense, and so what we have now is a situation where men do not treat each other with respect, because random men we come across have not been vetted in a way that is mutually agreed to vouch for their manhood, and therefore as the basis for their respect. We don’t know. The default setting is therefore “prove it to me” — and it’s constantly in that setting, now, because of our hypermobile, rootless, and context-lite way of life.

    I agree that Katz is being an ass and just doing the internet AMOG game, which is a tired and facile game, but I think in the real world it’s the case that most men are in the default setting of “prove it to me”, simply because we do not know if the men around us have been vetted or not. So the default setting is skepticism about their manhood. In families it is different in that we have men we respect in our families and men we don’t, and we have our ways of vetting them in the family context, but outside that context, it’s always the skeptical setting that demands proof 24/7, because we really don’t know if/how these guys have been vetted. Our culture has no uniform vetting mechanism that we can rely on for this.

  29. PokeSalad says:

    “Its a man’s job to respect a woman. It’s a woman’s job to give that man something to respect.”

  30. Kirk Forlatt says:

    Katz, Katz….hmmmm….something about that name. For some reason, I’m inclined to think he doesn’t have the best interests of Christ’s brethren at heart.

  31. The irony is that while SJWs and feminists insist on harping on about the dangers of toxic masculinity and then declaring what constitutes an “acceptable male specimen”, real men are not even there to hear it.

    This is because men just don’t give a fuck.
    Men are busy, and must get on with doing what needs to be done, and what they want done.
    Anything else is ignored for the nonsense that it is. There’s an acceptance that it’s all well beyond men’s control anyway.
    It’s another luxury that women and ihferior males thoroughly enjoy, namely complaining.

    Superior men constitute a great many different attributes, but one of the things they are not (and should never be) is caring of what other people may say and think about them.
    Men must acknowledge their mistakes, accept constructive criticism, and take action to correct. A healthy does of IDGAF in his core preserves his energy, time and effort. No need to address the dramatic tirades, feelings, convulsions and social inventions of females.

    And yet its precisely these IDGAF males who happen to garner the most female sexual interest and attention.

  32. Opus says:

    I am indebted (as so often) to Lost Patrol. It is indeed a Cricket Pitch as against (as he informs me) a Baseball Field, and so it is strange that Baseball has a Pitcher, but Cricket, having instead a bowler, doesn’t.

    Men are wary of strangers: there is that wonderful scene in An American Werewolf in London where the two young Americans enter a pub in the wilds of Yorkshire whereon the previously noise-making locals lapse into silence. This was repeated for me when I and another male entered a pub which we had not previously visited but which is only a mile or so away from where we live; bar reduced to silence as we were observed warily; we drank up quickly and departed and have not re-visited. Aristotle observed that men will become friends of utility that is to say when they are joined together in a mutually beneficial common goal they will cooperate cheerfully. The friendship ends once the task is complete; a similar arrangement between a man and a woman can only be of sexual intent and sexual reciprocity; men and women cannot be friends without sex getting in the way: two women meeting for the first time become BFFs, that is until, as they always do, they fall out.

  33. Chump No More says:

    Katz is no more immune to the mind fuckery of the Feminine Imperative than any other blue or purple pilled chump.

    When the narrative of masculinity being toxic and worthy of contempt is crammed into every nook and cranny of society, why is it so surprising to men treat all other men with contempt?

    The medium is the message.

  34. @RedPill Latecomer
    You said “If men could be assured of having their rights to their children, their property, even access to their wives’ bodies, protected by law, then most men would eagerly “man up” and marry and serve the interests of their wives and children.”

    Interesting comment.
    I think we can predict the results of such attempts to change the paradigm.
    Attempts to rescind state level “no fault” divorce laws, for example, would no doubt be twisted in the media and equated with the enslavement of wives to their husbands.

    There’s just no way to undo any of this. It’s too late.
    Further, the increasing RP awareness of men in the modern age regarding female sexual strategy and in particular female hypergamy, become the new fat elephants in the room for men. They can no longer avoid it. This hypergamy and females-first society has only been emboldened, enhanced and fortified by such laws and social attitudes.

    The human male factory settings instruct men to do exactly what you say: serve, provide and protect inferior females and children. Except this male programming is now completely dysfunctional and self-destructive in a universe where it is the females who possess superior rights, power and use of overwhelming force (from the state). And men have responded to be less forthcoming with their time, energy, resources to serve women. No it’s the turn of women to make a move here. I’m fascinated, and not quite sure what to expect. Probably more doubling down on their prerogative and solipsism, but we’ll see.

    I’m actually optimistic about these kinds of things over the long term, because even through abject disaster, annihilation, social breakdown and destruction, new life and ideas will find a way to push through and grow. I don’t think matters will never be quite the same, but the mutually beneficial sexual relationship aspects will likely return and succeed longer term.

  35. Anonymous Reader says:

    Poke Salad
    “Its a man’s job to respect a woman. It’s a woman’s job to give that man something to respect.”

    Eh, um, hmm…no. Just..no. This looks way too much like Madonna/whore Blue Pill thinking.

    In the context of this blog, i.e. within marriage, it is the duty of a woman to respect her husband. Even when he’s not all that respectable.

  36. Lost Patrol says:

    @Opus

    I should clarify in the same spirit that you keep us apprised of facts and subtleties about Merry Old.

    Baseball is traditionally played at a ballpark, which can also be a diamond, which can also be the ball field; but not to be confused with a football field, which is a specific thing and should not be confused with English football which is soccer. There will however always be the infield, the outfield, left field, center field, and right field. Occasionally, balls will be fielded on a short hop by a man known as the Shortstop. Spectators are encouraged to drink beer and eat peanuts to the accompaniment of organ music, if you were wondering.

  37. Gunner Q says:

    “…an entire generation of men are refusing to act like men because an entire generation of social justice lying jerks have told men…”

    How is being lied to an act of refusal?

    Here’s the real reason an entire generation of men is ‘refusing’ to act like men: WE CAN’T. Not all of us can make money like Carnegie, attract women like Lothario, think like Einstein, discipline ourselves like Gandhi and endure rejection like Jesus. A good society helps the less capable men succeed at life. A bad society exploits their weaknesses to benefit the strong. This is why feminism is bad for society, because women want to sort men out instead of build them up.

    White knights would tear down a bridge for having graffiti.

  38. thedeti says:

    @ Dalrock:

    “But while criticizing SJWs for disrespecting manhood, Katz manages to disrespect respectable men. Katz claims that as a real man, he is a rarity in a sea of boys:”

    ****

    (Katz)…an entire generation of men are refusing to act like men because an entire generation of social justice lying jerks have told men that acting like men is a crime against themselves and humanity.

    There are many males out there but there are very few men left in the world.

    (Dalrock) While we do seem to be witnessing changes on the margins, it simply isn’t true that the vast majority of men are irresponsible. Feminism depends on men continuing to be men, and so far at least this gamble has worked quite well. What is lacking is a sense of propriety by men towards other men.”

    I really want to give this guy the benefit of the doubt. He’s correct that SJWs are lying to these men, and that SJWs aren’t doing anything to help the situation. I suspect Katz thinks these men are not “acting like men” for the usual reasons: Not going to school, not getting “good jobs” (i.e. high paying jobs you can support a wife/kids on), not getting married, fornicating, etc.

    In the current context, one could argue that acting in one’s own interest and looking out for oneself is acting like a man. One could argue that not marrying women who aren’t sexually attracted to you and who are looking to use you and take advantage of you is “acting like a man” and is respectable. Avoiding divorce is respectable. Supporting oneself and not bringing children into the world with a woman who settled for him is respectable.

    So I guess we can say that Katz is AMOGing everyone if we presume his message is that “acting like a man” and “being respectable” means getting a “good job” and getting married and having kids, and nothing else.

  39. Höllenhund says:

    We no longer have the connections of tribe, community and family like that, or rites of passage in any meaningful sense, and so what we have now is a situation where men do not treat each other with respect, because random men we come across have not been vetted in a way that is mutually agreed to vouch for their manhood, and therefore as the basis for their respect.

    That’s just one part of it. The other, bigger part is that society no longer sees such vetting mechanisms as necessary. The whole reason these rites of passage and vetting mechanisms existed was that society’s very survival depended on groups of average men, beta men, cooperating tightly and effectively to ward off various threats. Men had to hunt in packs to kill animals for food, otherwise the tribe’d starve to death. Men had to work in the fields, in factories and workshops, otherwise there’d be grinding poverty. Men had to bear arms and protect their communities and nations as armed groups, because there was a constant threat of conventional war, plunder, marauders, enemy tribes etc. None of this applies anymore. The average man’s contribution to society in any role is seen as completely optional, not something that is absolutely necessary.

  40. Stroller says:

    Dalrock: thought this may interest you-
    https://futurism.com/researchers-use-brain-tests-to-predict-the-potential-of-criminality-in-toddlers/

    The article starts by affirming Nature 1 Nurture 0, but then goes on to explain that Nature as defined here may be caused by fatherlessness.

  41. Tam the Bam says:

    Katz is either unaware or dissembling on the difference between the women of ’50s type “Marriage 1.0”, and these here modern times.
    June Cleaver was not an enthusiastic whore (ret’d. with dishonor) and champion drinker, and almost certainly a virgin (a ‘technical’ virgin perhaps, I’ll concede) when she got married. Right after leaving college, to the guy she pair-bonded with there.
    Cars depreciate right after they’re driven off the factory line. If I want a ten-year-old scrapper, I’ll only pay scrap prices, not take out some monster balloon loan on the never-never, just because Honest ‘Arry assures me the motor is a goer, and totally worth it.

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