Pocket pouting

One of the greater misconceptions about feminism is that men can fix the problems feminists are complaining about.  What isn’t understood is the base impulse, envy of men and the associated resentment, is unfix-able and doesn’t spring from injustice.  Christians should understand this, because we know that Eve was dissatisfied in Eden!  Why did God get to keep the knowledge of good and evil all to Himself?  Why couldn’t she have it too?  The best that can be done is women can learn to recognize this temptation and manage it.  Helping women recognize and manage this temptation is something loving we men can do for women.  But we tend to fail in exactly the same way Adam failed;  we see the pouty face and go along with it.

As just one example of the omnipresent temptation to feel that someone is unjustly keeping something from them, see the feminist carping about the lack of pockets in women’s clothing.  Racked.com created a video complaining about the men of the patriarchy mysteriously keeping women from having pockets.

Hillary Clinton wore a deceptively simple suit when she took the stage at the Democratic National Convention to accept the party’s nomination for president. Its impeccable tailoring announced Clinton’s authority; its snowy whiteness connected her to the suffragette movement; and, with no designer claiming it, the suit seems to transcend fashion — unnamed, it belonged to every woman. All of these points make Hillary’s white suit a significant garment, but the suit did more than make Clinton look powerful. One omission in Clinton’s suit whispered a long, questionable history, and that is this: It has no pockets.

The silliness of this is hard to fathom.  The reason Hillary Clinton didn’t have pockets in her multi thousand dollar custom pantsuit (assuming this is true) is because Clinton didn’t want pockets.  This isn’t just true for powerful women wearing custom made clothing, it is true for women’s fashion across the board.  Women don’t want pockets because if they put something in their pocket it makes the outfit less flattering.  If women were really clambering for pockets, someone could make a mint filling this mysteriously untapped demand.  The women at Racked know this, because they work in fashion.  But this doesn’t stop them from continuing to complain about how men are keeping women down in a sinister pocket conspiracy, because this is what the feminist impulse is all about.  See the pained body language and pouting expression on Entertainment Editor Elana Fishman’s face at the 50 second mark as she sighs longingly for the equality of the Middle Ages.

This is flat out nuts, and it is feminism in a nutshell.

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  2. Cane Caldo says:

    Also: There are pockets on Hillary’s suit. Pause it at 08 seconds.

  3. Mister says:

    That looks like a pocket on the right, lower side of Hillary’s suit. Anyhow the point stands. If women really wanted functional pockets, they could find and wear clothes with them. However women are less apt than men to break from the herd.

    Form-flattery, conformity, and baseless complaints are the tools women prefer over the actual tools they could put in pockets. Pocketless is handier than pocketful.

    This is feminism in a pocketbook.

  4. Dalrock says:

    @Cane

    Also: There are pockets on Hillary’s suit. Pause it at 08 seconds.

    Women’s clothing very often has false pockets, not unlike the old muscle car hood scoops. In other cases the pocket is real but loosely sewn shut so that nothing accidentally ends up there to ruin the look until the clothing is purchased. In theory once the woman buys the clothing she can easily cut out the loose stitching, but since women don’t really want pockets this is seldom done.

  5. feeriker says:

    The good news is that we’re entering an era in which life will become difficult enough for everyone that petty nonsense like this will be the least of anyone’s worries and that little millennial femtards will become entirely focused on things like food and shelter for their own survival. Those days can’t arrive soon enough.

  6. Not having pockets would be a sign of being really rich. Most people need pockets for their phone, wallet, etc…- but if you are rich enough to have an entourage, then you’ve got people to hold all your stuff for you. You could stroll around in well tailored, pocket free clothes.

  7. Elspeth says:

    We love pockets! I won’t even make a skirt without them.This is a real thing:

    The kicker is that the piece of clothing can’t be tight. Other than that, pockets are highly desirable.

  8. feeriker says:

    In theory once the woman buys the clothing she can easily cut out the loose stitching, but since women don’t really want pockets this is seldom done.

    Picking up a pair of sewing sheers and making a simple alteration to their own clothing is beneath today’s SIW. Anything having to do with needle and thread is a demeaning throwback to the days when women were expected to do such things (and were actually TRAINED to do them) and is thus to be avoided at all costs. Ditto for ironing clothes.

    Incidentally, sewing in order to repair clothing is a skill that should be part of every man’s domestic survival toolkit. Otherwise be prepared to spend significant green on tailoring – if you can even find anyone to do it for you.

    Yet another way in which modern women have rendered themselves useless and irrelevant.

  9. Dalrock says:

    @Elspeth

    We love pockets! I won’t even make a skirt without them.This is a real thing:

    My wife loves pockets as well. But the two of you are in a distinct minority. If women really wanted clothing with pockets the market would provide them. The fact that there are false pockets on women’s clothing speaks to this. They want the appearance of having what men have, but they don’t want a bulky phone or keys making their thighs, butt, etc look big or misshapen.

  10. Living in their own pocket universe….

    Many women wear jeans, which have pockets. Anyone ever seen women actually use those pockets for anything?

  11. Lyn87 says:

    One of the things drilled into young Cadet Lyn87‘s head was that pockets are NOT for holding things… but are merely for decoration. (At least the ones on the front – a wallet in a back pocket was okay).

    I don’t know why that chick is complaining, though… if all women’s clothes had pockets they wouldn’t have an excuse to drop $1000 on designer purses to convey status.

    But once again we see the vapidity of feminism: if lack of pockets on women’s clothing (which is ENTIRELY the choice of women) is commanding more than 1/4 of a second of your thoughts, you clearly don’t have any real problems.

    … And to think that feminists want to tear down the system wherein their voluntary absence of pockets is viewed as an issue worth kvetching about and addressing.

  12. Gunner Q says:

    “Women don’t want pockets because if they put something in their pocket it makes the outfit less flattering.”

    I’d wondered why purses were a female thing. This makes sense, although I was leaning towards needing extra cargo capacity for cosmetics. Of course, at her age and experience Hillary probably uses welders instead of cosmetics. I bet that hairdo has an ASTM rating… probably Material Safety Data Sheet, too.

    Elspeth @ 11:34 am:
    We love pockets! I won’t even make a skirt without them.”

    Sigh, having pockets was may favorite explanation why my kilt is not a skirt. Might as well go for the sporran now.

  13. The Question says:

    @Dalrock

    These people are mentally ill, pure and simple.

    I was chatting about this issue with a male relative recently. Back in the day when you had to work from dawn until dusk, there was little time to let the mind wander or remain idle. You didn’t think “how can I come up with something new to bitch about?” It was “how are we going to get these crops in on time during harvest so we have enough to eat during the winter?”

    Our modern luxuries have made previously laborious tasks either nonexistent or relatively easy to perform and allowed people such as feminists the privilege of mindless diversions they could ill afford in bygone eras.

    Today, we have entire groups of people who have a profoundly disturbed perception of reality that bears a terrifying similarity to paranoid schizophrenia. There are numerous articles on LinkedIn talking about how Trump will usher in a new Holocaust and people genuinely think he will throw gays into concentration camps.

    One day these people will push too far and this will be the banner under which they will be crushed, courtesy of Vox Day:

  14. Gerald Belton says:

    Have any of you guys even bought a men’s suit or sports coat? They ALWAYS come with the pockets sewn shut. You have to pull out your trusty Swiss Army Knife and rip out the stitches. Just like the obvious pockets on Clinton’s pants suit.

  15. feeriker says:

    There are numerous articles on LinkedIn talking about how Trump will usher in a new Holocaust and people genuinely think he will throw gays into concentration camps.

    History should be so benevolent to us, the non-deviant remnant, as to author such a plan to let us live in a normal world. This realm in which we live belongs to the Evil One and he is going to let it remain a deviant’s paradise.

  16. thedeti says:

    You just can’t stay away, can you, E?

  17. This is so stupid. If a pocket means this much to you; you have some demons to sort out. My wife buys clothing without pockets because she has a purse to hold all her shit. You’re absolutely right that women don’t use pockets because it would make their form fitting clothing look like shit with wallets, phones and keys bulging out.

  18. thedeti says:

    Eh. Hit send before I finished the thought.

    Enjoying the give and take of the manosphere still, huh?

  19. Elspeth says:

    They want the appearance of having what men have, but they don’t want a bulky phone or keys making their thighs, butt, etc look big or misshapen.

    Point taken, as I almost never use the real pockets on my jeans, but I wear skirts/dresses at least 5 days a week. Of course if more women wore flared skirts and dresses (which are not only more flattering but are the perfect venue for usable pockets, we’d see more pockets on women’s clothing.

    But no, they can’t have their pants and their pockets, too.

  20. Elspeth says:

    You just can’t stay away, can you, E?

    I still read, deti. And the subject of pockets is a fun one at our house.. But I’ll go now…

  21. thedeti says:

    The Question, Feeriker:

    The only difference between the protesters now and the dissenters in 2008 after Mr. Obama’s election were that in 2008, there were only isolated incidents, and most of the wailing and gnashing of teeth was on political blogs. Mr. Obama’s opponents went to work. They did their jobs. They went to school. They continued functioning as human beings.

    Now, in 2016, with Trump’s election, we have entire swaths of people unable to function. We have people who are in their 30s, 40s and 50s having public nervous breakdowns. We have “respected journalists” on the verge of tears. We have CNN commentator Van Jones shouting down political opponents and telling them to “back off”. We have Trump supporters being physically attacked, assaulted, battered, threatened, menaced, and being fired. We have people recording their juvenile tantrums on YouTube. We have people weeping and crying and not showing up to work.

    These 30 year old toddlers need to grow the f up. Their candidate lost. It happens. It’s not the end of the damn world. Life will go on and the libs will live to fight another day.

    Jeez.

  22. BubbaCluck says:

    Many women wear jeans, which have pockets. Anyone ever seen women actually use those pockets for anything?

    Mobile phones go in back jeans pocket. To be sat on and broken or fall out and break.

  23. thedeti says:

    Oh come on, E, just kidding with you. Don’t go…

  24. Sunshine says:

    NSR:

    Many women wear jeans, which have pockets. Anyone ever seen women actually use those pockets for anything?

    No. Because not only does one’s phone or keys leave an unsightly bulge, but they also tend to end up in the commode because we sit downto take care of business. So, a big shout out to Teh Evil Patriarchy for inventing purses, which can be safely and conviently hung on the stall door hook.

  25. Cane Caldo says:

    @The Question

    One day these people will push too far and this will be the banner under which they will be crushed, courtesy of Vox Day

    Christians already have a set of arms and armor. Make your choice wisely.

    Besides: Games Workshop FTW? Doubt it.

  26. Opus says:

    Yes but… women have Handbags {I think your call them Pocket books} in which they keep everything bar the kitchen sink – there is even one famous play where the plot hinges on a baby being left in one – in the cloak room – at Victoria Station – the Brighton Line.

  27. Anon says:

    One of the greater misconceptions about feminism is that men can fix the problems feminists are complaining about.

    This doesn’t stop manginas from begging to be allowed to help women.

    On Quora (which is otherwise a useful site for non-political topics), there are tons of manginas asking “What can I as a man do to help feminism”, effectively begging to be told what to do. Unsurprisingly (to us), they only get answers from other manginas, not from any actual women…

    On pockets..

    Given how large some phones are nowadays, a purse is a FAR more convenient thing than a pocket. Hell, a purse can even contain a tablet.

    If you want to trigger a twat who complains about pockets, show her pictures of kangaroos with cute joeys, and then send the caption :

    “Pockets are for women who DIDN’T abort their children”…

    Do it.. Where is Herbie Marcuse when you need him?

  28. BillyS says:

    Sunshine,

    The only thing I have to watch when I sit down for #2 is my cell phone. I have never had anything fall out of my pockets even in your use case.

  29. feeriker says:

    Now, in 2016, with Trump’s election, we have entire swaths of people unable to function. We have people who are in their 30s, 40s and 50s having public nervous breakdowns. We have “respected journalists” on the verge of tears. We have CNN commentator Van Jones shouting down political opponents and telling them to “back off”. We have Trump supporters being physically attacked, assaulted, battered, threatened, menaced, and being fired. We have people recording their juvenile tantrums on YouTube. We have people weeping and crying and not showing up to work.

    These 30 year old toddlers need to grow the f up. Their candidate lost. It happens. It’s not the end of the damn world. Life will go on and the libs will live to fight another day.

    Jeez.

    This why I’m convinced that the USA has no future as a nation whatsoever, no matter who serves as its figurehead. Those toddlers-in-adult-bodies ARE posterity. THEY are what people of my generation will have to face as caregivers when we’re too old and weak to function anymore. THEY will be responsible for any planning, infrastructure, innovation, and economic progress that are to be made. Does anyone seriously think they’re up to the challenge?

    To be fair –and I’m gonna get a lot of hate mail for this–, these creaures didn’t arise in a vacuum. They were bred into their roles as feckless, spoiled whiners – by my generation, which in its own day was merely the latest generation to be raised as worshipers of the Prog ideology (even in its softest form) that dominated the entire latter half of the 20th Century. What we see in the millennials represents regression along a continuum, one that will of course be finite, as a point will arrive at which the stunting of emotional and mental maturity will preclude any further civilizational progress. We may be closer to that nadir right now than anyone thinks.

  30. BillyS says:

    I am using this

    http://www.adorama.com/bhcsp15i.html

    for my tablet these days. Easy to keep the necessary stuff there with less risk of drops and damage.

  31. feeriker says:

    Pockets are for women who DIDN’T abort their children”…

    PRICELESS!

  32. Cane Caldo says:

    @Dalrock

    Agreed. I think the existence of the pocket in her opening example is just further reinforcement of your premise; just like your other point about her pine for medieval society. The video is an example of a grievance industry which isn’t even searching out petty things about which to be grieved.

    They just make them up out of hole cloth because what sells to women is the feeling of grievance.

  33. Anon says:

    BTW, Hillary only ‘won’ the popular vote due to massive vote fraud in California. 61-33 is unusually lopsided even for CA (it was just 54-45 in 2004). It is more lopsided than any other state except for DC. More lopsided than VT, MA, NY, RI, you name it..

    The reason vote fraud is obvious is that since CA is not a swing state, the rest of the country does not look at it at the Presidential level. But the vote fraud still was done to pass a lot of tax increases, purge out any Republicans at the state or local level, etc.

    Tons and tons of vote fraud. In a state that was reliably red as recently as 1988…

  34. Gunner Q says:

    “Besides: Games Workshop FTW? Doubt it.”

    I wonder if GW will go after Vox for copyright infringement. They’re one of the most litigious companies on the planet. That would be an awesome fight. Eighth edition 40k would see the Emperor reborn as a billionaire construction magnate as part of the settlement….

    The Question @ 12:02 pm:
    “Our modern luxuries have made previously laborious tasks either nonexistent or relatively easy to perform and allowed people such as feminists the privilege of mindless diversions they could ill afford in bygone eras.”

    They’re as moral today as then. Virtue doesn’t come from having no opportunity for vice.

    “There are numerous articles on LinkedIn talking about how Trump will usher in a new Holocaust and people genuinely think he will throw gays into concentration camps.”

    Remind them concentration camps are THE trademark symbol of liberals. We want to keep people out, not in.

  35. It’s different.
    I think the angry people today who voted for Trump are only going to become more angry and outraged, not less.

    In only a few short months both the honeymoon and shock/fear will be over.Reality is going to set in.

    The election was won on economic issues, not petty identity politics or even anti-feminism.
    Identity politics and shaming tactics by movie stars, musicians, feminists, globalists, party leaders and the media outlets was an important ingredient. Identity politics was a full glass of prune juice guzzled down by the middle class and poor American voters who already knew they intended to take a giant dump on establishment. A mere accelerator.

    The reality is that while Trump comes as a populist outsider into Washington, much like Reagan did in 1980, Trump’s America in 2016 is completely different economically & financially (fiscal and monetary).

    Trump promises infrastructure initiatives (roads, airports, hospitals, construction etc.) which would stimulate the national economy and create millions of jobs. He also promised lower corporate and personal income tax rates. But none of this is free. YOU have pay for these things, likely with treasury bonds. Or you have to slash government expenditures.

    In 1980 the US national debt ratio to GDP was 30%.
    In 2016 that ratio is inverted.

    We have $19 trillion of debt. We are worse than bankrupt. It’s obscene.

    If you are bankrupt you are not allowed to take on more debt. You default on the debt or restructure it or are liquidated.
    Who is going to buy US treasury bills and bonds at essentially 0% interest?
    Exactly.

    All politicians – Republican and Democrat, from Reagan thru Obama – refused to level with the American people about not only how bad things really are (with our national debt and government finances), but that in order even start to fix it, painful sacrifices will have to be made by every day Americans, but especially the middle class and poor – namely loss of entitlements (social security, pensions for retirement), loss of currency power and a lower standard of living (temporarily, but over several years).

    What’s more, those Americans most suffering economically who voted Trump into office expect instant gratification on the economic front. What they will get is more national debt, a temporary, feel-good high and then another horrific crash, a currency crisis and a lower standard of living.

    We’re only 8 years removed from the housing bubble and crash, and now we learn that the US now has a 1 trillion dollar automobile loan bubble to contend with that may burst within the next 2-3 years, with equal or greater devastation.

    These are horrible, uncomfortable realities, so denial is the perfect remedy.
    We would rather talk incessantly about mundane diversions of racism, sexism, xenophobia, and misogyny while the ship we are all on together approaches an real iceberg and with no life jackets.

    Petty feminist complaints like this one demonstrates clearly just how out of touch and condescending many of these elites are. In a few short months, trust me, the absence pockets in your feminine wardrobe will be the least of your problems.

  36. Anon says:

    In 1980 the US national debt ratio to GDP was 30%.
    In 2016 that ratio is inverted.

    Yep. And all of that extra spending was wasted on ‘feminism’.

    75% of all government spending is a transfer from men to women, so the deficit is only a portion of this artificial transfer. Yet, we have grown our deficit by that much, and for what?

  37. IT Lady says:

    I’m also a pockets fan. At work or as a student, I can carry a pen and keep track of personal necessity – ID, credit card, business card, small amount of cash on my person, a tissue or cough drop if I’m not well. I use a very thin card case (far thinner than a man’s wallet). I do rip out the stitches (they are loose and wide, so it can be done with scissors or a sewing tool) in the sewn up pockets so I can use them. I think it is more professional to have a pen or business card accessible rather than, I have to go put down what might be in my hand already, open a purse, dig for the item.

    Other items such as my phone, keys, cosmetics, store loyalty cards, bottle of aspirin, can go into a backpack, bookbag, canvas shopping bag, laptop case, car trunk, etc. On dates, I do carry a teeny purse more like for decoration and my make-up compact and lipstick. I do dress modestly–think more flowy type styles rather than tight, form fitting, so my clothing can accommodate useful pockets with a little bit of stuff.

    I’ve never had fabulous expensive designer purses , but I believe purses are very easy targets. I’ve unfortunately had tons of theft issues with a purse, even in somewhat secured areas. As a kid, when girls first started carrying little purses, mine would disappear from the cubby or shelf. In college cafeteria, my school required that purses, backpacks, etc. had to be put on an open shelf while in the dining hall–the school didn’t want someone sneaking out an extra cookie for later. My grown-up wallet of course got stolen and an awful lesson in identity theft. After that, I’ve sharply limited my purse carrying to be an accessory, and not to carry that are important.

    But even now, in plenty of places I’ve worked at, there have been purse thefts. Even where people have offices or cubicles and the item is not in direct sight such as in a drawer, I don’t think I’ve ever worked a place for very long where there isn’t an incident report of some women having theft problems.

  38. The Question says:

    @ Cane Caldo

    “Christians already have a set of arms and armor. Make your choice wisely.”

    From a post I wrote last year.
    https://anarchistnotebook.com/2015/10/28/neoreactionary-libertarian/

    “All I can say is when these people form a true nationalist movement in this country, gain power, and start campaigns of violence against their enemies, I won’t condone it or support it, but neither will I shed a tear for many of their victims. Because before it happened I understood why it would happen, and how easily it could have been prevented.”

    I still stand by that sentiment.

  39. feeriker says:

    constrainedlocus says:
    November 11, 2016 at 1:39 pm

    Well said! Also, for those who think a Trump Administration is going to be some sort of panacea for all of our current economic ills, here is an ominous sign that he is either getting horrible advice from his inner circle about staffing of his cabinet, or he is closer to these people than he wants us to believe. Let us hope that this is nipped in the bud, pronto.

  40. Original Laura says:

    It’s nice to have pockets in everyday skirts and pants, and I do look for pockets when I buy. Even if the pocket can’t hold much, it is great to have a pocket that can handle a key and a $10 bill so that I can leave my purse at home while going on a walk, etc.

    But Hillary’s outfits during the campaign were “for show.” She would not have used the pockets for anything, because she was going to be photographed from every angle. Most ordinary women would similarly not care if their work wardrobe or church finery had pockets or not, because they would always be carrying a purse while wearing these clothes.

    Men’s suits for work make no provision for a pocket watch, but I assume that if a man has very formal evening wear custom made, he can ask the tailor to accommodate great-grampa’s big and heavy gold pocketwatch.

    Hillary had custom clothing made for a presidential campaign. She had no need for pockets as she would have had a purse and probably a briefcase to hold needed items, and aides to take charge of the purse and the briefcase.

    Women’s casual and semi-casual clothing has pockets, and women don’t need pockets when they are dressed up, as they would carry a purse. Whatever kind of clothing you want, it’s readily available. Feminism has become a complete joke.

  41. The Question says:

    “This is flat out nuts, and it is feminism in a nutshell.”

    It’s become clear that there is really two choices the West when it comes to feminism. Submit to it or fight it and never yield. For years, Western men have passively resisted but ultimately submitted to each new demand. Eventually they will make a demand that men will not give into, and when they don’t get their way they will turn violent. What will men do then?

    I’ve said this repeatedly; there is no peaceful solution to this. The sane ones are the ones who have already started to say, “We’ve gone too far and need to stop.” They’re the parasites who realize they’re killing the host. The remaining ones are so deluded they will cling to their delusions to the death.

    Trust in the Lord and keep your powder dry.

  42. White Guy says:

    Dalrock:
    “Christians should understand this, because we know that Eve was dissatisfied in Eden! Why did God get to keep the knowledge of good and evil all to Himself? Why couldn’t she have it too? The best that can be done is women can learn to recognize this temptation and manage it. Helping women recognize and manage this temptation is something loving we men can do for women. But we tend to fail in exactly the same way Adam failed; ”

    Any way you could expand on this? I’ve got a currently rebellious wife and couple of impressionable daughters I want to lead correctly.

  43. Tarl says:

    I get the no pockets thing because I hate putting stuff in my pockets but since I’m not gonna carry a fag bag I have no choice…

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  45. elmertjones says:

    My dear wife bought me a couple of shirts which hanged in the closet until I grabbed one before work, then realized they had no front pocket. Would be ok with a sports jacket which I seldom wear but I realized she had essentially bought me women’s blouses, but made for a man.

    As for alleged oppression through pocket discrimination, it is women and gay men who design clothing. And don’t get me started on their purse obsession.

  46. Dalrock says:

    @White Guy

    Any way you could expand on this? I’ve got a currently rebellious wife and couple of impressionable daughters I want to lead correctly.

    Look at the way the serpent tempted Eve in Gen 3. He knew exactly how to tempt her:

    3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”

    2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

    4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.

    6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it.

  47. feeriker says:

    Eventually [feminists] will make a demand that men will not give into, and when they don’t get their way they will turn violent. What will men do then?

    The same thing real men always do when faced with aggressive violence: fight back with defensive violence. That will end very, very badly for feminist women.

  48. tsotha says:

    Bah. If women’s clothing had lots of pockets feminists would be complaining because it meant Teh Patriarchy expected them to work their fingers to the bone.

    Feminists don’t complain to solve problems. They complain for attention.

  49. SnapperTrx says:

    Just a quick word of note, my wife and I have discovered why so many women out there are walking around in jeans with the upper thighs ripped up front! We finally solved the mystery when we saw a rather rotund young lady trying, with much effort, to shove her iPhone into her back pocket! By simply applying knowledge of the laws of physics we ascertained that the amount of pressure caused by trying to wedge the device between her excessively large backside and the material that made up her pocket was causing undue stress on the front thigh material, which undoubtedly caused it to rip under the immense stress! Perhaps women’s clothing lack pockets because they are a danger not only to the women wearing them, but those around them! I don’t want to be standing in front of that when those front thighs finally blow out. The shock wave alone must be incredible!

  50. Anonymous Reader says:

    @White Guy via @Dalrock

    I’m going to disagree with Dalrock. The real key to female rebellion and contentiousness & the high level approach to dealing with it in the Christian context is in these words:

    Did God really say,

    Each and every feminist argument from the churchgoing perspective eventually boils down to that. Should women teach men? Are men really supposed to be the head of their wives? Etc. all eventually wind up in the same place, “Did God REALLY say that?” and usually the plain language text is tortured via re-re-reinterprestation to get the desired, gynocentric, result.

    Churchgoing men need to know the Bible better than their women. They need sufficient presence, leadership, Game, etc. to stand up and say “Yes, God said it. End of discussion” and make it stick.

    That “sufficient presence” is a whole long topic by itself, but I see far, far too many betaized churchgoing men who get talked into things by women dumping a torrent of out-of-context Bible quotes on their head. A man doesn’t need to get a preacher’s license, just needs to understand the book he and his wife are supposed to live by better than she does, and therefore to have an answer to the usual equalitarian arguments, “judge not!” chant, “love bears all things” scam, etc.

    Discontent and rebelliousness are inherent in female nature. Men must learn how to manage and lead women knowing this fact.

  51. White Guy says:

    AR, I’ve been doing exactly that, so much so I presented THE LIST of her NEEDS (not wants) as spelled out by the Bible that I have to provide being a Godly husband. (Plus it’s a good list for me now that I’ve swallowed the Red Pill) There was a lot of push back and arguing about ‘my interpretation’ of scripture* but I stood my ground.
    Summary of my list of her Needs (since she can’t/wasn’t able to provide it me)
    1.Leadership
    2.Provide Sanctification (oh boy this one got the ‘juices flowing’)
    3.Provision
    4.Sex
    5.Honor as coheir in Christ

    Once I finishing flushing the blue pill out of my system over the next 6 months and work towards the man God wants me to be, we are going to go over my list of needs as set out by scripture. We will see how that goes.

    *She’s been listening to a tape ‘ministry’ (bible class) for the last 30 years which has really messed her and her family up when it comes to the Word. I had to learn scripture to fight against a wolf in my home whispering in her ears almost daily.

  52. Lost Patrol says:

    Pockets?

    If I’ve learned anything from feminism, it’s that gender is a social construct, and what we used to call men and women are actually the same hominid life form.

    True Egalitarian Feminists should all be wearing Chairman Mao uniforms, and demanding we do likewise.

  53. BubbaCluck says: November 11, 2016 at 12:25 pm
    Many women wear jeans, which have pockets. Anyone ever seen women actually use those pockets for anything?

    Mobile phones go in back jeans pocket. To be sat on and broken or fall out and break.

    And for selfie emergencies.

  54. mmaier2112 says:

    *She’s been listening to a tape ‘ministry’ (bible class) for the last 30 years which has really messed her and her family up when it comes to the Word. I had to learn scripture to fight against a wolf in my home whispering in her ears almost daily.

    You should douse those tapes with gasoline in a small fire pit in your backyard. Light a match and call for her. Burn the damned things right in front of her and tell her the words of Satan’s minions are forbidden in your home.

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  56. Annie says:

    Doesn’t this woman have anything better to do? As has been pointed out, the suit does have at least one pocket, but it wasn’t meant to be used. If it has pants pockets, she can’t use those either because she is rather (excuse my rudeness) wide in the beam. Putting things in pockets would amplify the issue. Plus she has minions to hold her phone and medication.

    Historically, women’s clothes could include pockets but didn’t always. Mainly for the reason others have already stated – it ruins the line, particularly on clothes made from light-weight fabric. However, since at least 1800s, they’ve added pockets if they wanted them. Doesn’t she ever read books? They mention pockets! I recall one mentioning a discrete pocket through which a lady could access her firearm in an emergency.

    As for regular women’s clothes today, it doesn’t always work to add/use pockets. They can be added to wider skirts made of firm fabrics, but you may still run into the annoying bulge issue, plus the stuff knocks against your leg as you walk around. Very annoying. In tighter skirts or ones made from light-weight fabric they often shouldn’t even be put in, because the empty pockets create lumps. I’m going to have to remove the pockets from a summer dress I bought because of this issue.

  57. feeriker says:

    *She’s been listening to a tape ‘ministry’ (bible class) for the last 30 years which has really messed her and her family up when it comes to the Word. I had to learn scripture to fight against a wolf in my home whispering in her ears almost daily.

    Is this “tape ministry” produced by someone well-known, or is it someone local? If the former, who do we need to (ensure that our wives) avoid?

  58. Oscar says:

    Completely OT:

    So, my teenagers and I have been reading through the Bible, and we’re currently in the Song of Solomon. I don’t know who’s more uncomfortable; them, or me.

  59. RichardP says:

    @ Anonymous Read: “Did God really say”

    I appreciate you focusing on that reality. Now, lets take that question a step further:

    – Did God really say that Adam would lead Eve?
    – Did God really say that Eve would submit to Adam?

    What did God really say in Genesis? (God, not Paul)

    God did say things in Genesis more than “don’t eat the forbidden fruit”.
    What were the words that God (not Paul) actually used?

    (hint: desire (in both Biblical meanings of the word), and rule over; no lead or submit)

    Those words are easy to find in the first part of Genesis. Not so easy to find in the Christian manosphere.

    If God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, we ignore what God actually said at our own peril. The beginning of wisdom is knowing the answer to that very useful question: “Did God Really Say … ” It is not just Eve that gets tripped up by that.

  60. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    I had no idea that historically women’s clothes didn’t have pockets.

    I had no idea that the “pockets” on women’s jackets were often not functional.

    I had no idea that women didn’t use pockets because pockets were not form-flattering.

    The women in my life, those in my family and the ones I’ve dated … I never even noticed whether they had any pockets or not. To this day I can’t say which of them had pockets, and which did not.

    All these decades, I have been blind to this colossally important issue. I didn’t even know that it was an issue.

    And yet, being a man, I somehow share blame for this pocket crisis?

  61. Opus says:

    It is an uncontestable law of nature that the more pockets one has the harder it becomes to find where on placed ones railway ticket, ones set of keys, ones paper money; the task mede all the more difficult when squashed into a seat on the Train. Women thus never have this problem and so it is a mystery to me as to why in a check-out queue at Tescos [Walmart] women always wait for every item to be scanned, before they decide to pack their purchases and only then do they reach into their Handbag and start searching and frequently for a while for the purse holding their money, Credit Card, Store Loyalty Card and any coupons granting them a few pence off the price of their purchases. I can only conclude that they act in this way because they – being full of their own importance – see it as their right (probably under one of your Constitutions endless amendments) and privilege to take twice as long as any man. One just stands there, head cast down, waiting in silence.

  62. Tam the Bam says:

    @elmer: The shirt-pocket in formal business wear is very much an American style and quite infra dig. I’ve heard tales of the pocket being literally ripped off newbies’ fronts in some City of London firms by bullying senior colleagues. Strictly for lab-assistants, bench-hands and other tradesmen. One’s fountain pen resides horizontally on one’s desk in a suitable stand, at all times.
    “A bespoke suit, for example, will not have a belt, while a serious merchant banker would not be seen dead in a shirt with a breast pocket.
    For breast pocket read “casual shirt,” several bankers said.
    There are also issues with white shirts.
    “There is a slight snobbery that white shirts are more for juniors,” said Modoo. “It says: ‘He’s just left college and he wants to dress safely so he wears a white shirt.” “

    Check out e.g. Tyrwhitt’s (bargain) or Pink’s (somewhat less so) sites. Then check the labels of what your wife bought. Might be damn’ pricey “blouses” !

  63. Frank K says:

    The US constitution has 27 amendments. Compared to the constitutions of other countries that is a short list and is hardly endless. For example, the Mexican constitution has been amended over 500 times.

  64. Lost Patrol says:

    @RPL

    And yet, being a man, I somehow share blame for this pocket crisis?

    Good one but how can you ask? You confessed to a crime against the FI.

    “All these decades, I have been blind to this colossally important issue. I didn’t even know that it was an issue.”

    You’re supposed to just get it Brother. Failure to just get it is a statute violation.

  65. GargoyleVirgin01 says:

    It’s me, again. Did you miss me?
    “One of the greater misconceptions about feminism is that men can fix the problems feminists are complaining about.”
    That’s funny because many of the men, like Dave and BradA, on Dalrock’s blog target guys like me and tell me to go man up and go fix feminism. They falsely accuse non-married male virgins like me of being Eeyores in life, intentionally and deliberately distracting from my point. I actually have been called a gay fagoot multiple times in my life, by both men and women, for being so happy by men and women

    “But we tend to fail in exactly the same way Adam failed; we see the pouty face and go along with it.”
    You mean the bitter and divorced men, like Dave and BradA, on here who project their failure of not being able to keep their women onto guys like me. In the end, guys like Dave worship pussy and project their guilt and idolizing of it onto guys like me. I remember a girl commenter on here who showed me some sympathy and a pat on the back for my harsh upbringing. I never asked for it. Anyway, BradA and Dave wanted her approval, and they were jealous of me. I can see how thirsty these and other guys are on here. They talk the talk, but as soon as they see another man get a woman’s approval. They covet it, and try to steal it by acting all macho and beating their chest.
    They contradict themselves, preaching that there are so many virgin women in their 30s in America, and then they turn around and go after foreign women, saying American women cannot compete in a 100 years.
    You know, Dave. I would have shown you sympathy for your divorce(s) except you turn around and shit on me for no reason but to project your anger and bitterness onto me. So now eat your own shit.
    Below is a video below by Steve Hoca describing how so many men on Dalrock’s blog project their bitterness and hatred of women onto guys like me and when we defend ourselves, they get even more furious. A good quote by Steve Hoca is that the only thing men want more than sex from women is a woman’s approval, and these men on here are so desperate for a woman’s approval that they’ll throw each other under the bus.

    (Let the hate comments commence.)🙂

  66. Days of Broken Arrows says:

    The time that white women spend pontificating on this used to be spent raising children. Without kids, women need to replace the emotional void in their lives, so they invent drama. Like this.

  67. Carlisle says:

    Actually, you will find that disproportionally, women do desire pockets any regular (barring evening wear, etc) clothing. Many designers do not care for them as they will alter the fit and appearance, but those of us that live a normal life — caring for children, working either in the house or office, gardening, attending school or religious services or buying groceries – pockets are indispensable.

    In my job as a nurse, we recently had an instituted dress code. The nursing staff is 95% or female. there were several styles of shirts and scrub attire. Disproportionately, shirts, pants, skirts and dresses purchased all had pockets. The only nurses that bought the pocketless shirts were the male nurses. They ended up getting rid the pants without pockets because no one would purchase them.

    And yes, it is very annoying to find those “false” pockets, though that is becoming less common.

  68. BillyS says:

    feeriker,

    The problem is that many otherwise reasonable ministries are very blue pill and even feminist in areas of husband-wife relationships. That makes life very tough for those who want good teaching.

    White Guy,

    Aim for the best, but realize you may have to walk more carefully than you would prefer. My soon to be ex wife finally nuked our 28 year marriage for many issues related to female rebellion. I can see the things that built to this along the way, but I stupidly believed a woman who claims Jesus as her lord would never follow this path.

    I am convinced that this kind of deep-rooted rebellion is very hard to clear out, even over the years.

    (She is having people load her POD with the stuff she is taking from the house. At least all in the house (for the most part at least) will then be mine. We still have to wait for the court and possibly mediation to make that certain, but she has said it is all she wants, minus some clothes she may not fit in her car now.

    I have another activity this afternoon, so I can get my mind off this, but it is still quite lousy.)

  69. Lyn87 says:

    Field Report, tangentially related to what BillyS is going through.

    As I mentioned yesterday, IHOP has free pancakes for vets on Veteran’s Day, so I asked my dad if he wanted to go get some with me (he was in the Air Force before I was born). My wife got there a few minutes before I did and got us a table, and while I was walking in a saw an old guy wearing one of those hats all of us old soldiers seem to have (like this).

    He was walking toward the entrance and his wife was still by their car, and he was loudly berating her for something. I’m not sure what he was upset about, but he was yelling at her and clearly displeased. She was being very apologetic about whatever it was, but he wasn’t about to let it go. I walked on by and went inside, and destroyed enough calories to last me an entire day (which I worked off later by spending an hour on a stair-climber – about four Eiffel towers in 60 minutes according to the machine: totally worth it).

    My point is that what I witnessed was one of those situations that feminists like to call “abusive,” and in which men are “supposed” to intervene. He was yelling at her and ordering her around, and she was being all mousy and trying to appease him. Classic “Duluth Model” behavior.

    But I am now spring-loaded to disbelieve the Duluth Model – SorryNotSorry, Feminists, but you’ve overplayed your hand and I’m not about to play “White Knight” for a woman in an ambiguous situation. And despite what feminists like to say about men being abusers and women being victims, the situation was ambiguous. And even if it had not been ambiguous. there was no criminal activity or physical danger involved that would justify my intervention even had I been so inclined.

    It’s not that I was incapable of intervention: the guy was not even close to being a physical match for me (and I was armed as per usual), so I wasn’t in fear for my safety… I just couldn’t bring myself to care very much. That made me feel a little bad, because it pains me to know that I live in a society where such coarseness is no big deal, and I know that men are hard-wired to be protective of women in distress, yet here we are: wallowing in the crap that feminism has wrought.

    As I reflected on that a bit it occurred to me that women stay in situations like that because they want to. There is literally nothing keeping her there against her will: neither society nor the legal system would stop her from having him forcibly removed. Quite the contrary, in fact – both would enthusiastically spring to her aid without hesitation. Yet there she was, being loudly humiliated in public while she tried in vain to appease him.

    So far it’s a dull story: I saw a guy yelling at his wife and my dad and I ate delicious, delicious free pancakes.

    #Coolstorybro

    But is there anything we can learn from that? The first thing is that some (maybe most) women LOVE, LOVE, LOVE men who DGAF about their feelings. That’s why “jerk-boy game” works so well – and it’s not necessarily something they outgrow. The other is a tautology that we’re supposed to pretend isn’t true: she ended up with a man like him because she rejected men who aren’t like him. I don’t know her history, but we’ve all seen women pass over guys who treat them well in favor of men who don’t (for many guys, the journey away from the blue-pill mindset begins when their own gentlemanly behavior results in constantly “losing the girl” to the jerk-boys). I wonder how many nice, decent guys she passed over before she settled on Mister Berates-Her-In-Public. The answer is probably not zero… and just like the lack of pockets on blouses, it’s not my problem to solve.

    So is the old lady I saw in the IHOP parking lot miserable? I doubt it. You don’t accept public humiliation and offer appeasement if you don’t care very much what the other person thinks of you. She’s presumably chosen to stay with the guy all these years, and unlike BillyS’s wife, she doesn’t seem to have a rebellious bone in her body – I doubt he would tolerate it. That’s NOT a criticism of BillyS, of course. SEE NOTE BillyS is representative on all of us who try to have Biblical marriages and wouldn’t dream of screaming at our wives (much less in public)… but BillyS’s wife has swallowed the feminist-heretical Kool-Aide, and it takes two to tango. In a sane society women wouldn’t have the power to unilaterally destroy their husbands and families, so it wouldn’t be a choice of 1) choosing well and hoping she doesn’t change like I did, 2) applying enough dread game to keep her from exercising her power like “Parking Lot Guy” does, or 3) getting steamrolled by the church, the courts, and society like BillyS and about a thousand guys every day do. Sadly, we don’t live in a sane society.

    NOTE Again, I’m not criticizing BillyS at all… the thing that separates me from sharing the fate of BillyS and my own brother is our wives – and no man has any control over that.

  70. RPC says:

    @Lyn87

    Your story reminds me of Ms. Keller smashing the china to manipulate her husband into submission. God was obviously using her in that moment to get an important message through to Tim. But, if a husband acts in a similar manner, or does something that even hints of open displeasure toward his wife, it’s abuse.

    If in your story the roles were reversed I guarantee you the upstanding Christian ladies walking by would think how wonderful it was that God was using her as an instrument to whip her husband into shape. After all, women are responders…

  71. BillyS says:

    I wouldn’t be as certain about that situation Lyn87.

    I could probably have been accused of actions like that, though I do not believe it was ever as bad as you indicate. Any comments I would make in public would have been short though, not a long rant. That is simply not what a man should do in public, at least in my mind.

    No one knows how the wife had behaved prior to that. I am seeing even more undermining words, something my wife completely missed, as she finishes packing and moving her stuff out of the house.

    My wife is the passive aggressive type. She built up her bitterness over years. That meant everyone else thought I was the abusive controlling one, not accounting for her actions outside public view.

    That is one of the flaws in modern society. Men are judged much more harshly than women. It is what we have, but it will not last forever. What cannot continue, will not continue.

    I hate that I had to go through this, but hopefully I can turn it into something good, including writing and videos on the topic.

  72. BillyS says:

    No offense taken Lyn87 as well. I could certainly have done some things differently, but I don’t think I could have stopped this. I didn’t expect it, but even a woman who claims Jesus as her Lord can do this and surprise her husband. I didn’t expect it all until it happened. I was even willing to do the counseling route (to a point), but that was not really her goal. She has crossed the Rubicon and I don’t see any turning back.

    Strong conviction and repentance on her part is the only possibility of change, but that seems very unlikely now, no matter what I do.

  73. feeriker says:

    Without kids, women need to replace the emotional void in their lives, so they invent drama. Like this.

    Women invent drama regardless of what’s happening in their lives (or not). Humans of both sexes need food, oxygen, and water to survive. Women need those three things plus drama. They may invent much more of it, and of a more destructive strain, when they’re distracted from/neglecting to exercise their God-given function in life, but they NEVER lead lives that are drama-free.

  74. Anonymous Reader says:

    Lyn87, heed BillyS. A snapshot like you saw tells very little. I personally know of men whose wives are very polite in public, especially around other church members, but in private? Not so much.
    Maybe she was nagging him all the way to the IHOP about his driving. Maybe she was passive-aggressively gasping and clutching the door handle. Maybe she didn’t want to go to IHOP but chose to accompany him AND make him miserable on the way.

    Or maybe they just had a fight about something totally unrelated and it wasn’t resolved yet. There’s lots of possibilities, but like you I have discarded the default “man bad” mindset when I see or hear raised, angry voices. It’s not a shame, it is reality.

    Now, one more important thing: did the woman have pockets on her garments, or not? Don’t tell us you didn’t notice!

  75. Anonymous Reader says:

    @RichardP

    Sorry, I don’t care to run down that particular rabbit trail with you today, too many more important things to do. There are other men here who can do that with you, there are other sites where those questions are of great importance that you can post to. I chose to answer a fellow man who asked for a solution to a particular problem that I have some vague clue about.

    Dancing with you and your personal demons on the head of a pin is not important or interesting enough to me to justify the time and effort required.

  76. Oscar says:

    @ BillyS says:
    November 12, 2016 at 12:53 pm

    “My wife is the passive aggressive type. She built up her bitterness over years. That meant everyone else thought I was the abusive controlling one, not accounting for her actions outside public view.”

    That’s Genesis 3:16 in a nutshell. Wives try to usurp their husbands’ headship (“Your desire will be for your husband”). They’re too small and weak to do that by dominating their husbands, so instead they do it through manipulation.

    Husbands who figure out what’s happening tend to react with anger and try to shut it down by dominating their wives (“and he will rule over you.”). This usually leads to more passive/aggressive manipulation by the wife and the cycle perpetuates itself.

    The methods for dealing with wives’ passive/aggressive manipulation that Dalrock has described in this blog work a lot better. They short circuit the cycle. Some call them “game”. I really don’t care what you call them. I just know I’ll teach them to my sons so they’ll avoid the heartache most of us have gone through. I’m still married, but I’ve dealt with the cycle (and mishandled it badly in some cases) just as most men have. It all comes down to Genesis 3, which is why it’s a universal problem.

  77. Why does someone need pockets when they carry around a bag filled with eight pounds of crap?

  78. Lyn87 says:

    AR,

    I didn’t assume the man was wrong (I thought I made that clear – perhaps I wasn’t clear enough). I saw less than a minute of interaction, so I had no way of knowing what led up to the incident. All I saw was an old guy humiliating his wife, who was trying to placate him. Who knows what they’re like in private? Certainly not me. What’s worth noting is that feminists and white knights would use that snippet as justification for condemning me (or any other male bystander) for not intervening on her behalf. But like I said, I just couldn’t bring myself to care very much… she chose to be with him.

    Not my circus – not my monkeys.

  79. feeriker says:

    Why does someone need pockets when they carry around a bag filled with eight pounds of crap?

    Penis envy. They’re torn between wanting to have the convenience and practicality of men’s clothing and yet still be able to carry an entire beauty supply shop and drug store on their person without having to carry a purse.*

    Soon we’ll hear whining, from the same women to whom pocketless clothes are currently a crisis situation, that no men have turned wizard/alchemist and found a way to magically compact the dozen pounds of crap that they carry in their purses into a neat, Smart phone-sized packet one one hundredth the weight of the original that they can fit into their clothing (and that can be extracted and uncompacted/recompacted at will). WMSUF.

    (* Purses represent an interesting dilemma for many women. While many of them consider purses a sexist fashion relic of the past, they still hold great power as fashion statements and status symbols. Schizophrenia at its cruelest.)

  80. feeriker says:

    What’s worth noting is that feminists and white knights would use that snippet as justification for condemning me (or any other male bystander) for not intervening on her behalf. But like I said, I just couldn’t bring myself to care very much… she chose to be with him.

    Not my circus – not my monkeys.

    Odds are almost 100 percent that had you tried to intervene, the woman would have wigged out ON YOU and accused you of assaulting her husband – and probably even tried to physically attack you as well.

    You did absolutely the right thing by walking right on by. Far be it from any of us to disturb any woman’s sleep in the piss, shit, and vomit-soaked hard bed she’s made for herself. There is ZE-RO good to ever come of that for any man who would play the white knight.

  81. Anonymous Reader says:

    Lyn87, not disagreeing with you, merely expanding on your observation.

    Not my circus – not my monkeys.

    You might be surprised how far that extends now. I know several firearms instructors who teach their civilian students “Defend yourself, defend your family, no question. Beyond that? Think hard”.
    The upshot is we are entering a world where a woman screaming will elicit cautious examination, rather than Sir White Knight thundering and blundering into the scene.

    ‘Cause Strong n Independent women don’t need no man, and the bicycles are more prone to just glide by the fish caught in a puddle on the street.

  82. White Guy says:

    To answer the question, she and her family have listened to Bob Thieme (and now his son) out of Texas for a better part of 40 yrs. So of it is ok, but lots of it is very damaging. Though God is awesome, if the Spirit hadn’t poked me every time I heard something false I might have been lead down the same path, being weak in the Word at the time. Here is a taste of what I’ve been dealing with for years. http://thiemite.blogspot.com/2008/07/mint.html

  83. Lyn87 says:

    AR,

    I’ve heard the same from firearms instructors. Defending myself or my family with my firearm… not an issue. But libtards are so paranoid about “gun violence” (practically non-existent among members of my demographic group) and conservatards are so eager to give special privileges to cops, that intervening in even clear-cut cases is extremely risky. Cops get a couple of weeks of paid vacation if they shoot somebody, but I’m not a cop: I would be arrested. I live in a red state so I would almost certainly be cleared, but in the meantime I would be arrested nonetheless… and if some douche-bag prosecutor got a bee in his bonnet I might be looking at a felony charge anyway.

    As you noted, the weak are the ones most at risk when men are offered disincentives for helping. We have traditionally been society’s protectors, but when any actions we take are just as likely to be perceived as aggression, the weak will increasingly be at the mercy of the strong.

    Expect more stories like that of Kitty Genovese.

  84. galloper6 says:

    Anyone else notice how the election closely followed Red Pill pattern?
    Women say in public what is socially acceptable (polls), then when no one is looking (the voting booth) they bang the Alpha. What ever you think of DT, he is an alpha. Plus look at Melania, she is NOT a Beta’s wife. Classic preselection.

  85. @galloper6:

    I talked about Trump as the likely President back in Fall 2015 because Trump is “Alpha” and Hillary was going to be the Democrat’s nominee. That was going to be worth the difference in a tight race. Because Alpha just wins. (As anyone that’s been to high school knows.)

    But it also, from a strategic point of view, allowed Trump to get around the “Woman Card” and all of his actual weaknesses as a candidate. Clinton couldn’t really exploit them. It took the most massively coordinated Media & Political campaign in human history to just suppress his turnout.

    Also, it was hilarious when they tried to shame Trump about his past, by bringing out photos of him with some of the most beautiful Women on the planet. That doesn’t hurt people’s opinion of them.

  86. galloper6 says:

    So correct Looking glass. What the GOP never understood is the Prez is also a cultural figure. They keep presenting candidates with boring resume` campaigns.

  87. Lyn87 –

    While I agree with you about the bystander effect, not to mention men having strong disincentives to intervene in a situation, the Kitty Genovese case is not necessarily an example of that. From the wiki entry –

    “More recent investigations have questioned the original version of events.[48][49][50] A 2007 study found many of the purported facts about the murder to be unfounded,[51] stating there was “no evidence for the presence of 38 witnesses, or that witnesses observed the murder, or that witnesses remained inactive”.[52]

    A 2004 article in the New York Times by Jim Rasenberger, published on the 40th anniversary of Genovese’s murder, raised numerous questions about claims in the original Times article. In 2007, a study found many of the purported facts about the murder to be unfounded.[53]

    None of the witnesses observed the attacks in their entirety. Because of the layout of the complex and the fact that the attacks took place in different locations, no witness saw the entire sequence of events. Most only heard portions of the incident without realizing its seriousness, a few saw only small portions of the initial assault, and no witnesses directly saw the final attack and rape, in an exterior hallway.[1] After the initial attack punctured her lungs, leading to her eventual death from asphyxiation, it is unlikely that Genovese was able to scream at any volume.[54] Only one witness, Joseph Fink, was aware she was stabbed in the first attack, and only Karl Ross (the neighbor who called police) was aware of it in the second attack. Many were unaware that an assault or homicide was in progress; some thought that what they saw or heard was a lovers’ quarrel, a drunken brawl, or a group of friends leaving the bar when Moseley first approached Genovese.[14]

    Public reaction to murders happening in the neighborhood supposedly did not change. According to a The New York Times article dated December 28, 1974, ten years after Genovese’s murder, 25-year-old Sandra Zahler was beaten to death early Christmas morning in an apartment within a building that overlooked the site of the Genovese attack. Neighbors again said they heard screams and “fierce struggles” but did nothing.[55]”

    The Sandra Zahler case mentioned there argues that a similar event happened – bystanders ignoring a crime practically right in front of them. in almost the same place, a newswriter couldn’t ask for more – but the article that the entry links to opens with a carefully-worded “While at least one neighbor heard her dying screams and did nothing…” and immediately segues into recalling the Kitty Genovese case and invoking the “38 witnesses” line, causing the reader to conflate the two events and unconsciously assume there were multiple people standing around gawking while Zahler was beaten and killed.

    The article states “a woman in the next‐door apartment on the fifth floor said she heard screams and the sounds of a fierce struggle,” but never mentions that anyone else was in the area. The woman next door is quoted at length, and as soon as she’s introduced, it’s noted that she claims to have heard Genovese’s screams during the attack 10 years prior, again causing the poor reader (probably not fully awake and skimming the article over breakfast and coffee) to conflate the two events and believe at least a dozen people ignored the attack on Zahler.

    Some people wonder why I don’t trust the media.😀

  88. Just Saying says:

    misconceptions about feminism is that men can fix the problems feminists are complaining about.

    Why would men care? Women can fix their own problems – to me, women are to be enjoyed, I enjoy them, if they have a problem I couldn’t care less – as long as they are useful to me. If they aren’t, I’ll move on to another woman. And a complaining woman is *very* low on my list of someone that I want to do anything for.

    I like women that deal with their own problems. The younger sister of one of the women in my core group was having problems with a jerk. She didn’t complain, took a while to get it out of her why she was unhappy. Once I found out, I showed the little pansy wanna-be gangsta what life is like with the big fish. Hasn’t bothered her since – if he does, he’ll vanish – no worries. The reason, is she didn’t complain about it – she dealt with it. I just showed her she didn’t have to deal with it alone. Didn’t tell her about why he stopped bothering her, she doesn’t need to know or worry about it – the fewer people know about such things, the better.

    So women need to deal with things – men that care will find out what the problem is, and fix it their way. It won’t be talked about, it’ll be done. Men act – women talk. That’s why Trump is the President to be – Hillary was a whiny pain in the ass… Men don’t like whiny pains in the ass… It’s a sad thing that men are joining those ranks – which is why young women go for men – doesn’t matter their age, women are attracted to manliness, always have been, always will be…

    But feminists hate men, so why would a man care? Answer is – we don’t… Be feminine, be sweet, be nice… Men will care – simple. And guess what? Women will never be man’s equal – just like no man will equal a woman. Be who you are and stop trying to be something you aren’t…. And stop whining… Nothing more annoying than someone that whines about it… Just makes people want to smack you….

  89. Lyn87 says:

    Nightskyradio,

    I know there was some controversy about the Kitty Genovese murder (especially following her brother’s film, “The Witness”), but although the NYT story was wrong in many particulars, other research points to a more-or-less concurrence with the general idea of the original story: there were 38 people who people who were in position to know something bad was happening to her, and nobody did anything substantive until it was too late to matter. To the extent that the story gave the impression that 38 people watched half an hour of murder/rape through their windows, that’s hugely false, but plenty of people could have done something and chose not to. But, yeah, the original story and the urban myths that came from it were riddled with errors of detail. I’ve personally been involved with or witness to a couple of stories that made the big-time news, and in all cases the initial stories were wrong to some degree, so I share your lack of trust in the media.

    That’s neither here nor there, of course… my point was to reiterate what AR was saying: men are opting out of putting themselves at risk for anything (including women). That’s very bad for women because women are weak, and the weak become prey when the strong don’t protect them. A wife can count on the protection of her husband, but an unwed feminist shrike may well find herself forced to rely on her own devices when the SHTF for her personally. Not only doesn’t she have an individual man to watch out especially for her as a matter of course, but strange men are likely to be less willing to come to her aid in general.

    Damseling is going the way of the Charleston, and feminists can blame themselves for it.

  90. feeriker says:

    [A]n unwed feminist shrike may well find herself forced to rely on her own devices when the SHTF for her personally.

    If she’s armed (probably in violation of local gun-grab laws that she demands everyone else but her be endangered by) and manages to repel the attack and put he attacker out of commission, she’s a heroic kick-ass SIW. If she’s armed with nothing but her feelings and her mouth (which she’ll almost certainly use to aggravate the situation), she’s a helpless snowflake victim who will blame the weak men she despises for not coming to her rescue.

  91. BillyS says:

    I am now alone in my house with only “my stuff” left. Many things gone, but not as much as could have been gone, so I am not complaining too much on that point. I did push back on a couple of items and got to keep them, giving up a few other things that were not as important to me.

    My son and his family are coming over for Thanksgiving (unless his work messes that up), so I should have them here then. I am not a socialite, but I will push myself there now.

    Now I need to figure out how to effectively screen possible replacements. I am not going to be in any rush, but I have no firm conviction to be a MGTOW at this point.

  92. kfg says:

    “I had no idea that historically women’s clothes didn’t have pockets.”

    Historically purses were invented by and for men. They carried money and tools. Women’s rights activists starting carrying purses to signify that they were strong, independent and didn’t need no man to handle her money.

    Women used to have an article of outer clothing that did contain pockets, in which they could carry their own work tools, and then remove when they weren’t working.

    It was called an apron.

  93. Spike says:

    A white suit for a Black Witch.
    Even if the Wicked Witch of Washington is dead, the seething resentment and evil of wanting to usurp God will remain, creating conditions for the next Hilary.

    Regarding the Suffragettes Dalrock: There is rich pickings for the Masnosphere there. Angry Harry looked at their history, one of demanding the right to vote and disrupting life while the country was at war, and good old “Suffragette Saint” Emmeline Pankhurst’s parallel White Feather Campaign. Without referring to Angry Harry, I believe he summed up the Suffragettes as, ” They got women the vote, so pardon me while I spit on them”.

  94. Avraham rosenblum says:

    OT There was a great comment on Dalrock one fellow describing father and his his experience in Medical school. His father had been a DI and his favorite motto was “No excuses.”
    So this guy in Medical school aced his first test. Then the professor decided grade on a bell curve and teh next test he got was graded 30 out of 100. He called home expecting his other to pick up teh phone and give him some word of comfort. Instead his father picked up the phone. He said I am never going to be a MD at this rate and sobbed on for a minute of two and then his father told him to buckle down and do the work and stop making excuses. [I forget on what essay this comment was or who made it.]

    I found that comment relevant to my own situation in a kind of synchronized way. For I also has seen this kind of thing in myself

  95. Hippopotamusdrome says:

    What about the fashion police? Won’t they arrest a woman wearing pockets?
    Tell her we’ll let women have pockets after they allow men to carry purses.
    BTW, I like their channel name “Racked”.

  96. Otto Lamp says:

    Why can’t women have pockets?

    Because you can carry a purse.
    Because you can wear a fanny pack without people making fun of you.
    Because you can wear an over the shoulder bag.
    Because you can wear hip bands that store items.
    Because you have choices…including pockets if you want them.

    The only acceptable choice for men is a full size backpack (no mini-packs, men will be ridiculed–by women–for carrying a purse).

    Another instance where women have a wider range of choices than men, and yet they still manage to complain about it.

  97. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    I’m sick of all these overgrown hipsters walking around with backpacks. Backpacks are for: 1. children carrying books to school, 2. campers, 3. soldiers.

    No adult urbanite should wear a backpack. Adult urban men can have pockets, briefcases, satchels, or toolboxes. Adult urban women can have pockets, briefcases, satchels, or purses.

    I was watching the anti-Trump riots in Portland and Seattle on YouTube. Many of the rioters, male and female, had backpacks. Something very left-trendy about backpacks.

  98. Gunner Q says:

    Red Pill Latecomer @ 9:51 am:
    “I’m sick of all these overgrown hipsters walking around with backpacks. Backpacks are for: 1. children carrying books to school, 2. campers, 3. soldiers.”

    4. Homeless bums with enough self-respect to not steal shopping carts. This might be where the hipsters are getting the style from, copying society’s dregs. That’s how baggy pants became a style. Prison guards sometimes issue badly-fitting pants to the more violent prisoners so they need one hand on the waistband just to walk. Young men of confused masculinity adopted such pants into “gangsta style”… and possibly backpacks into hipster culture?

    I’m a toolbox man myself. One would think smartphones would have killed the briefcase but they didn’t; the paperless office is still a more unlikely future than Buck Rodgers.

  99. feeriker says:

    Now I need to figure out how to effectively screen possible replacements. I am not going to be in any rush, but I have no firm conviction to be a MGTOW at this point.

    Billy, may you be blessed by the Lord with the type of “replacement,” with which He blessed me: a woman who is in every conceivable way the polar opposite of my rebellious, contentious, frigid, vain, adulterous, irresponsible, hateful ex-wife.

    I don’t know why God saw fit to bless me in the way that He did and am certainly not about to question His ways, but He showed me that all was not hopeless and that loneliness was not to be my lot in life. Again, may He fill your heart with renewed joy and your soul with fresh fire.

  100. feeriker says:

    4. Homeless bums with enough self-respect to not steal shopping carts. This might be where the hipsters are getting the style from, copying society’s dregs. That’s how baggy pants became a style. Prison guards sometimes issue badly-fitting pants to the more violent prisoners so they need one hand on the waistband just to walk. Young men of confused masculinity adopted such pants into “gangsta style”… and possibly backpacks into hipster culture?

    You probably nailed it. The cultural cesspool within which we’re forced to dwell worships mediocrity, failure, coarseness, and low expectations. Hipsters being the latest iteration within the culture of what this represents, why wouldn’t they adopt a symbol of bottom-dwelling as their own?

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  102. BillyS says:

    That would be a good result, even if reconciliation ultimately happened feeriker.

    My wife was not as outwardly rebellious, but push more subtly against almost everything. That made things very frustrating.

    I definitely do not want to repeat that. Why a women in that age range would be single would likely be the biggest question.

  103. PokeSalad says:

    Now, in 2016, with Trump’s election, we have entire swaths of people unable to function.

    Meh, the weren’t really functional to begin with. Parasites….like societal tapeworms. Now the mask is off, and they are showcasing how useless they have always been.

    I hope they riot for the next four years. Every “protest” shows even reluctant Trump voters how right he was.

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