Open election thread.

For those who want to discuss today’s election.

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  1. Novaseeker says:

    From Looking Glass in yesterday’s thread:

    VA & MI are the wonky ones to call. VA was fairly close for Romney and, but for the record Black turnout, probably would have been won. It’s under the same non-degreed White up / Black down effect the rest of the region is under, but Trump does worse with degreed Whites than Romney. And, well, it’s the DC area for a reason. This, oddly, is the one place that the Media’s PsyOps could backfire badly: if the DC crowd & Blacks don’t turn out highly but the rest of the state does, Trump could win by 2-4% and no one really sees it coming.

    I agree that something is going on in Michigan. Whether it’s enough or not will be seen soon enough, but the massive activity there in the past few days is indicative that it was slipping towards Trump.

    Virginia is a very odd state. Most of the state will be red and is very pro-Trump outside of AA areas in Hampton, Richmond and small parts of NoVa. NoVa in general, however, is where most of the votes are, and it’s very highly educated white, and therefore very anti-Trump in general. I don’t think people here are generally very pro-Clinton outside of her core base of activists and women over 45ish, so the key issue here will be whether they actually turn up to vote. I think a higher turnout in NoVa benefits Hillary for the most part due to who is running against her, but at the same time it has to be noted that the Trump campaign spent quite a bit of time here over the weekend — Pence was in Fairfax on Saturday, Trump was in Leesburg on Sunday and Ivanka was in Loudoun County yesterday — so they probably are seeing some movement in the polls here, and since most of the state’s votes are in NoVa, this is where they came. Also lots of Trump and Clinton ads on TV during NCAAF and NFL this weekend here (and it isn’t because of MD and DC obviously), so there’s that.

    I honestly don’t know what is going to happen today. I am flying down to FL today for a business trip for a few days and so will watch the returns from there this evening, which should be interesting.

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  3. Avraham rosenblum says:

    I think the Constitution would work if faith had been strong. Faith and reason seems to have been the working formula of the Middle Ages and i think it worked well. Two things worked against this. The constant attacks on faith cases it to weaken plus that fanatical faith which opened Protestants to the Dark Side. Also the Constitution was never meant to be workable except for a certain kind of people–people that believed in the Bible. Most of it was modeled on the Virginia Constitution written by John Locke and there there was a requirement to be part of a church –any church. Plus John Locke saw the danger of Islam and said openly not to let any of them in (in his Two Treaties).

    I think this is a very significant election because it will determine if the American Republic can survive or will be washed away by barbarian hordes. And if America falls to the barbarians, that is the end of Western Civilization.

  4. Just finished voting in the same district (7th) that kicked out Eric Cantor and elected Dave Brat. Turnout appeared to be huge. Regardless of how this election turns out, tomorrow is when the real craziness starts. Either way, it’s in God’s hands. Not too long ago, I came to the realization that the right political party or the right trade policy or the right piece of legislation will not be enough to stem the downfall of this country. The only thing that can do that is a wholesale resurrection of the moral character that this country once had. Do I think that is likely to happen? No. But that’s not going to prevent me from believing that it will all work towards God’s plan.

  5. casparreyes says:

    @AR

    “John Locke”

    That would be George Mason

  6. PA voter here. This was the biggest turnout I’ve ever seen. We are a statistically blue state but the Trump support here has been yuge. It’s all going to come to a head tomorrow, but I am hopeful that we win this.

  7. DrTorch says:

    NoVA has been corrupted by credentialed (“educated”) fed gov’t workers/contractors who don’t want to see their comfortable jobs disappear.

    In my suburban neighborhood (wh/ discourages political signs) it was 4-5 Trump signs, 2-3 Clinton and 1 Johnson/Weld. But the one street w/ the smallest, most run-down houses, it was 3 more Clinton signs.

    Hard to tell what will happen, neighborhood is largely Asian, very quiet and reserved, but not without their opinions.

    All I can recommend is praying and fasting.

  8. Avraham rosenblum says:

    I thought constitution of Virginia written based on advice from John Locke. I guess i made a mistake thinking that he did the actual writing.

  9. S. Chan says:

    @ Avraham rosenblum

    A relevant quote from President John Adams follows.

    Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

    You say “this is a very significant election because it will determine if the American Republic can survive or will be washed away by barbarian hordes”. I agree.

  10. Opus says:

    Should a woman be elected you may find that she is not as bad as you feared and if a man is elected he may not live up to your hopes. If a woman is elected it will be your first: our first (after the conquest) was the Empress Mathilde who brought civil war to England in the 1140s. If her name is not familiar that might be because William Shakespeare failed to write of her reign; happily John Keats sought to remedy this omission with his KIng Stephen, though unfortunately he never got beyond the first three scenes of Act 1 and frankly seeing that even by that stage it was going very homo-erotic it is perhaps a good thing that he did not proceed further.

    May the election bring you the incumbent President for whom you voted.

  11. pavetack says:

    Voted early this morning, and the polling place was packed. All 10 machines busy, and four people ahead of me in line. I’ve only voted in non-Presidential elections since moving here, but typically there is 2-3 people ahead of me and open machines at this time.

    Blue collar neighborhood in an Ohio suburb of a large city. A mix of working class white, African American, and EMEA immigrants. It’s going to be interesting…

  12. FiveThirtyEight says it will be Hillary:
    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-senate-forecast

    At the front of mind right now is just how unbearable the next week is going to be.
    When bargaining stage hits it will be how to cope with another 4 years.

  13. theasdgamer says:

    These events are particularly obnoxious because I am subjected to a heavy dose of liberal lies.

  14. Anon says:

    VA and NC are the real tragedies. In 2004, Bush won them by over 7% each. But now they are blue? VA is just due to DC pork, but it appears that has spilled into NC as well.

    Forget the Southwest. CA was red until 1988, NV and CO until 2004. But now even AZ is in play, and Texas is more purple than red.

    At any rate, cuckservatives brought this on themselves. Good riddance.

  15. Anon says:

    pavetack,

    A mix of working class white, African American, and EMEA immigrants. It’s going to be interesting…

    I am going to guess Parma, Ohio or close to it.

  16. The Question says:

    I worked for the Associated Press on Election Night of the 2008 presidential election and had the dubious honor of finding out the winner before it was announced on the news; tonight I’m staying up late again, this time to cover state election results for a separate organization.

    I refuse to make any predictions about who wins or what will happen after they’re elected. My primary focus has been preparing for whatever comes next regardless of who sits in the White House.

  17. casparreyes says:

    @Avraham

    No question that Locke was an influence. George Mason is credited with writing the Virginia Declaration of Rights, whose language heavily influenced Jefferson in writing the Declaration of Independence. These guys all read the same stuff.

  18. Heidi_storage says:

    @Opus

    I’ve heard of Empress Mathilde from Ellis Peters’ Brother Cadfael mysteries. Not the place for a history lesson, obviously (nor for great writing, certainly not up to Keats), but the conflict between her and Stephen did look interesting.

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  20. BubbaCluck says:

    Exit polls are saying that people want a strong leader. That could bode well for The Donald.

  21. Anonymous Reader says:

    Opus

    Should a woman be elected you may find that she is not as bad as you feared

    Sir, that is not just any woman. I remember the last time she was Co-President all too well.
    You might as well say “Re-animate the spirit of Lucretia Borgia and make her your leader, you may find out she is not as bad as you feared”. Indeed, sir, she could well be worse than almost anyone expects.

    Far worse, if John “Spirit Cooking” Podesta remains in her inner circle.

  22. thedeti says:

    @ The Question:

    “My primary focus has been preparing for whatever comes next regardless of who sits in the White House.”

    What do you foresee is coming next?

  23. BillyS says:

    This country is not going to continue anywhere near what it was, even if Trump wins today. Too much crud in the system and too many people are following the pattern in the Book of Judges (doing what is right in their own eyes).

    Trump may help with a brief reprieve, but we are headed into some very messy times as one many can’t fix everything and most people don’t completely want a fix.

  24. Greg Nikolic says:

    I had to laugh at the beta bucket list of “things to do for your wife.”

    They are, without exception, TERRIBLE ideas to implement. Do housework? Take on the woman’s role at your house? Oh yes, I’m SURE that will be much appreciated as you stand there with a feather duster and daintily dab at the kitchen stove. When the wife nags you at the bad job you’re doing, and you apologize, that’ll help EVEN MORE. Backpedal, apologize, refuse to stand your ground, beg, plead — sounds like the recipe of a successful alpha lover indeed.

    TA-HAH!

    There used to be a consensus of Christianity in the West. All the men in society except a few cranks — and by that I mean all the alphas and the betas — went to church together. What the alphas provided was invaluable and IRREPLACEABLE. They made sure such parts of the bible as “the woman looks up to the husband as man looks up to god” were PART OF DAILY BELIEF.

    I sincerely believe the alphas are no longer attending church. Why should they? All they get is a boring dose of feminism and blue-pill thinking that weighs them down and attempts to guilt-trip them for their superior malehood.

    With churches depended on volunteer women (mostly old, of the bake-sale type), this saps male leadership and vitality of the churches even more.

    Forget about Churchianity. This turkey is done. Turn it over.

  25. The Question says:

    @ thedeti

    It’s really hard to make any specific predictions, but my general mindset is to be able to leave in a hurry if necessary, whether it’s an economic or social upheaval, and have the skills and material to care for myself. Sort of like Robert De Niro’s 30 second rule from the film “Heat.” Stay alive and free. Also, come up with independence income streams if I can.

  26. Gunner Q says:

    Greg Nikolic @ 1:57 pm:
    “What the alphas provided was invaluable and IRREPLACEABLE.”

    Not hardly. Women always want to have sex with promiscuous, rebellious men. That makes those men Alpha by definition. It should be no surprise if promiscuous, rebellious men aren’t always welcome in church.

  27. Anonymous Reader says:

    I had to laugh at the beta bucket list of “things to do for your wife.”

    Wrong thread. Try again.

  28. feeriker says:

    This country is not going to continue anywhere near what it was, even if Trump wins today. Too much crud in the system and too many people are following the pattern in the Book of Judges (doing what is right in their own eyes).

    Trump may help with a brief reprieve, but we are headed into some very messy times as one many can’t fix everything and most people don’t completely want a fix.

    Yup. It’s all over, folks.

    Even if Trump were serious about his platform (far from certain) and even if he were the choice of the Majority (also far from certain), the Deep State is NOT going to let him win this election. We’re already hearing about rigged votng machines in multiple states in which all votes are being cast for Hitlary, even if you pull the lever for Trump. The fix is in and always has been.

    If voting is a form of masturbation that makes you feel better, like you’ve really accomplished something, go right ahead and abmuse yourself. Just don’t delude yourself into thinking that it makes any difference.

  29. BillyS says:

    Note that my pessimism that we won’t return to any beautiful past state. I do believe we can head toward a good future, but that it will require going through some nasty times.

    At least I am in Texas now where succession is a reasonable option if things do become Yugoslavia bad.

  30. SirHamster says:

    Should a woman be elected you may find that she is not as bad as you feared

    If she fails to be as bad as her record, it will be because she leaves this mortal coil, or because of effective opposition from resolute men.

    It won’t be because she grew a conscience and a love for the country.

  31. Novaseeker says:

    CNN just reported that a “senior Trump adviser” told him that “it would take a miracle for Trump to win this election”. Sounds like they have some bad internal exit polling data, really. Hard to tell if it’s just CYA or real or what have you, but it isn’t a positive sign for Trump supporters, I think.

  32. Novaseeker says:

    Earliest returns in NoVa counties look consistent with Obama’s performance in 12 or slightly higher.

  33. Anon says:

    feeriker,

    If voting is a form of masturbation that makes you feel better, like you’ve really accomplished something, go right ahead and abmuse yourself. Just don’t delude yourself into thinking that it makes any difference.

    Remember that this is the final Presidential election before widespread VR sex corrects certain distortions in society. This benefits non-user males as well (and children).

    4 years is a lifetime in terms of emerging tech.

  34. Anon says:

    Earliest returns in NoVa counties look consistent with Obama’s performance in 12 or slightly higher

    That is only because Terry McAuliffe (a crook even by Homocrat standards) pardoned 60,000 felons, all of which will vote Democrat.

    But this may dissuade voters in the other three time zones, which is a common Homocrat trick.

    Virginia went 7% for Bush in 2004 (and NC went 12%), but now are solid blue, despite not even being a state that attracts a lot of Hispanics. This is government gibs in action. Gibs so powerful that the VA effect has distorted NC as well.

    NC : +12% for Bush in 2004, but blue now? Come on. It is not even on the Mexican border.

    That is why cuckservatives are losers.

  35. Novaseeker says:

    What has happened in NoVa and NC key areas is lots of migration into these places from dem places in the North (mostly). There is also more immigration than you think — it isn’t all Latino (although there is plenty of Latino immigration inbound into NoVa … PW county now has a huge Latino pop that it didn’t have 15 years ago, for example), but the Asian immigrants and the ones from elsewhere also mostly tend Blue, for various reasons (some of it is sinecures, some of it is hatred of whites), but the biggest difference here demographically (I have lived here for 25 years now) is the influx of (mostly) highly educated whites from democratic areas, mostly up North. Basically lots of people from MI, OH, upstate NY, PA, etc., from dem areas there. “Too smart to be Republican”, similar to the people in the Bay, really.

  36. Anon says:

    but the Asian immigrants and the ones from elsewhere also mostly tend Blue,

    In all the stats, one that is overlooked even by the junkies, is how Asians are the only group that were majority Republican until the turn of the century, and then swiftly went blue.

    No other group is voting very differently than 25-30 years ago. But Asians went from 70% GOP to 70% Dem. To never get the black vote is one thing. To lose a group that the GOP once had, is even worse. Asians may be small in number, but the three West Coast states, even CA, might still be purple if not for this shift…. Even the Bay Area (15% Asian) would be far less blue aside from this (remember, the shift is a two-fer – a loss of a red vote AND a gain of a blue vote, so the Greater Bay Area would be 55-45 rather than 70-30 like it is now).

    Cuckservatives are losers. They call Asians ‘natural Republicans’, but could not even keep a group that they did in fact have until recently. It is not that Asians ‘should’ vote Republican, it is that they DID until recently, only for the cuckservatives to lose even that.

  37. Anon says:

    I repeat, Asians were more Republican than whites in 1992 and equal in 1996. That is hard to believe today. If only the Asian vote were still the same pattern in 1992, OR would be red, and both WA and CA would be purple (yes, really). NJ might be purple too.

  38. widespread VR sex corrects certain distortions in society. This benefits non-user males as well (and children).

    VR sex will not “correct” any distortions in society, but will merely distort society even more. It’s just porn, which means it’s just a masturbation aid. Masturbation is not a substitute for a relationship with a woman.

    It’s also not going to help the “alphas” because an actual “shortage” of men isn’t going to make women more docile and better at relationships, it will simply drive them into more “strong independent wimminz” nonsense since fewer and fewer will have a real husband to submit to.

    Feminism and “the Playboy philosophy” (as E. Michael Jones reminds us it used to be called) are simply two sides of the same coin, and feed on each other. Let’s not forget that Hugh Hefner – and most other pornographers – are outspoken radical feminists.

  39. Novaseeker says:

    Overall the realignment will be this. Right-wing populism, as the minority position. Left-wing progressivism as the majority position on a national level. “Traditional Republicanism” will be dead outside of small intellectual circles and journals and a handful of small pop states. That’s what comes next. Between now and then is a civil war on the right. I don’t expect a civil war on the left, but a gradual leftward drift in an ever more progressive direction on a national level.

    Make your adjustments, adjust your Game and move on.

  40. Most Asians I know have gotten suckered into the minority lies, even though they know that being successful is effort-based, affirmative action is used against them, and other progressivist policies oppress them more.

  41. It’s refreshing to see that during elections, no one pretends that “race doesn’t matter.” When it comes to elections, everyone openly admits that races vote in their own interests. For a few months every few years, people openly talk about race and racial interests. Just look at how the racial voting blocks are openly discussed without a trace of self-consciousness.

    Still, only European (i.e., “white”) Americans ever get called “racist” – and only white people split their votes. Most non-whites – blacks, Asians, Mestizos – even Ashkenazi Jews – virtually all vote Democrat as a block.

    Only white people split their votes between conservatives/liberals and Republicans/Democrats. But Trump’s fan base – whether Trump wins or loses – shows that White Identity Politics has finally arrived.

  42. Anon says:

    Right-wing populism, as the minority position.

    Yep. Especially since nationalism is a left-wing ideology.

    There is literally no option for small government, free-market people. Female suffrage ends up making both parties left-wing in economic matters.

  43. Anon says:

    Hipsteracist,

    You still think that white women don’t practice misandry, just because 45% still vote Republican.

    I recall you saying, with a straight face, that white women never use divorce laws to separate white children from white fathers, and that misandry is never a problem for ‘your race’.

  44. I recall you saying, with a straight face, that white women never use divorce laws to separate white children from white fathers.

    No, you do not “recall” me saying any such thing – you imagined it.

  45. Anon says:

    Hipsteracist,

    Yes, you did. Over here.

    Just a few of the quotes from you :

    “Feminists ONLY ever attack White men. They never attack non-White men. ”

    “Misandry is a hatred of men. That’s not a problem for me and my people. ”

    At least later on you conceded :

    “Perhaps you have bedded far more women than I have. Maybe you are an alpha stud, and I’m a lowly beta/omega or whatever.”

  46. No – I did not. You posted this:

    I recall you saying, with a straight face, that white women never use divorce laws to separate white children from white fathers.

    Which is a bald-faced lie, as I never said any such thing. And the second part of your quite is a distortion.

    I guess your post about “VR sex” was so laughable and indefensible you have resorting to lying and trying to change the subject. Feminists – and certain men – are just two sides of the same coin.

  47. Elspeth says:

    Darrell Castle for President.

  48. Anon says:

    Hipsteracist,

    I guess your post about “VR sex” was so laughable and indefensible you have resorting to lying and trying to change the subject.

    Projection. You are the one changing the subject.

    At any rate, those quotes from you say it all. Remember that it takes considerably more courage and intellectual evolution to recognize that ‘feminism’ is the bigger problem than race divisions (which are downstream effects of women having too much political power anyway). People who think ‘nationalism’ is the bigger goal than anti-feminism are just afraid of intellectual rigor and lack moral courage.

  49. No, you changed the subject. I responded to your ridiculous claim about “VR sex” and you changed the subject by lying and making up a false quote and then posting an off-topic, sarcastic response I made to Boxer. Are you Boxer’s other handle?

    Remember that it takes considerably more courage and intellectual evolution to recognize that ‘feminism’ is the bigger problem than race divisions

    That’s the opinion you are pretending to hold, but I don’t buy it.

    downstream effects of women having too much political power anyway)

    That’s laughably absurd, as if nationalism, “racism” or ethnic conflict only appeared in 1920 with women’s suffrage.

    You can claim to be intellectually rigorous and courageous all you want, but that’s just you making claims with no supporting evidence.

    In any case, my two points stand. “VR sex” is not going to fix any “distortions” in society, and it’s refreshing that when elections roll around, everyone openly points out that racial and ethnic groups tend to vote in blocks – except for “white” people – although we see that changing.

  50. AnonS says:

    Trump is winning the election currently BTW

  51. Novaseeker says:

    An incredible evening for Trump and the GOP in general, really, regardless of final results.

  52. Anon says:

    There is only ONE day, ever, where it is worth your while to go read the comments at Manboobz Futrelle’s sordid den of pedophilia.

    Today is that day.

  53. Don Quixote says:

    Looks like Trump is gunna win!
    Extra blessing is some ~clebs~ said they will leave the US if he wins. You might be able to unload some unwanted harpies. Just don’t send them to Oz, we’re already inundated.

  54. Novaseeker says:

    Hillary Clinton is a coward for not conceding.

  55. Anon says:

    Hillary Clinton is a coward for not conceding.

    Homocrats never concede until much later. Even in 2004, John Kerry waited until Noon the next day, as his team feverishly tried to produce 120,000 fraudulent Ohio ballots.

    Right now, Detroit and Philly are working feverishly to produce fraudulent ballots.

  56. @Novaseeker:

    She could never take a punch. Always had to have someone else around to do her dirty work.

    Though some of the interesting sourcing stories really do seem to suggested she actually might be demon possessed. At this point, it’s probably true.

  57. Feminist Hater says:

    Amy Schumer better be packing her bags. I bet Canada can’t wait!

  58. Christian says:

    OT: Jenny Erickson has been tweeting about her pregnancy. Did she ever remarry, or did she just fornicate?

  59. thedeti says:

    At 2:40 am eastern time Fox News called PA for Trump. That’s 274. It’s President -Elect Donald j Trump.

    This is unbelievable. Really.

  60. Now I realize that 90% of the people I know on facebook are crying because Hillary lost.

    The interesting thing is the doom and gloom. What they should really be asking themselves is why enough people hated Hillary enough to vote for someone like Trump. (While ignoring the voter fraud against Bernie.. as Bernie probably would’ve won against Trump as he could probably have gotten MI, WI, and PA)

  61. Anon says:

    Leftists are racist. They only ever talk of moving to Canada. Never to Mexico, Cuba, or Haiti, all of which have great weather.

    Leftists are racist. Well, racism was always a left-wing idea.

  62. @Deep Strength:

    A Trump vs Bernie election would have been far, far more preferable. We could have actually talked about policy! Though Bernie was still an old, Jewish Socialist. He really didn’t pull much minority voting in the Primary (even with the rigging), which probably sinks him worse than it was for Hillary.

  63. Novaseeker says:

    Trump generated a new electorate, which is something that doesn’t happen very often.

    More working class whites voted for Trump yesterday than voted for Reagan in 80. He created this electorate, and because it was new, it wasn’t tracked.

    He has also awakened the Kraken. Politics will not be the same after this, because the Kraken is now awake, at least for the next few cycles.

    He also has the unquestionable leadership of the GOP — he had coattails wins in the Senate and the House, which the GOP both retained, and so he has chits to cash. Paul Ryan is in a bad position, honestly — leadership in the party, politically (vote generation) is now in the populist wing.

    This is good. But I expect many defections from ideological conservatives. We will see what happens. It’s a new situation, in any case.

    And … Looking Glass.

    Good call, man. Seriously.

  64. Anon says:

    Looking at the demographic breakdown, there is really one thing that swung the election.

    Not blacks. They still went 88-8 for Hillary.
    White turnout was higher, but percentage vote for Trump was not very different than prior elections.
    Gender division was starker, but still cancelled each other out.

    So what was it? What really swung the election?

    Obamacare. Trump voters are 90%+ opposed to Obamacare.

    I am amazed the Homocrats did not arrange for the premium increases to be after the election. How can people whose whole existence is politics, make such an obvious error?

    Separately, the flow of shitlibs from the North to VA and NC may have won VA for Hillary, but arguably cost her PA (even though the shitlibs were all set to vote twice in both states).

  65. Hillary Clinton is a coward for not conceding.

    That was never going to happen. The feminist imperative means she doesn’t have to….. certainly not… TO HIM!

    Can’t wait to watch Real Time with Bill Maher and Saturday Night Live!

  66. Anon says:

    leadership in the party, politically (vote generation) is now in the populist wing.

    This is good.

    What about small government, free-market people? Where do they go?

    What was the original ideology of America is now one that has no home at all…..

  67. Anon says:

    Can’t wait to watch Real Time with Bill Maher

    Bill Maher is going to age 5 years in 5 days.

  68. @Novaseeker:

    Thanks, man, it’s appreciated.🙂

    Though most of it came down to 2 things: 1) the polls showed serious signs of manipulation, as part of a Media PsyOps campaign and 2) Alpha Wins. Or at least makes the difference.

    The Southwest was, however, a little bit of a mis-read on my part. I’m concerned it might be completely blue for a while. While, at the same time, it’s distinctly possible this was the last-gasp of the Illegal Vote. The big-tell being that CA looks on track to be a bigger margin for Clinton than for either Obama victories. (Let that sink in.)

    Now that we can start talking about how Trump is going to govern and what type of Re-alignment we’re under. Trump has shifted the country into a bit more like a Parliamentary system. He very clearly isolated out what certain groups wanted and “made a deal”. He got the Evangelical vote by simply making a solid deal on Supreme Court picks. (That was insanely easy!) They clearly worked out something with the LDS Church in Utah, as a bunch of the leaders were with Pence at a rally in SLC.

    People are going to find out, within a few months, that just removing the Jackboot of the Government will allow a lot of things to self-correct. Long-term, things are still going to be insanely messy and I can point to a lot of trends that head that way, but Trends only go until they stop. And there’s a lot of policies that garner 60%+ support that a lot of people are going to like. It lets the Republic live for another day.

    Now, does Hillary flee the country?🙂

  69. Dave II says:

    Someone at We Hunter the Mammoth is threatening suicide – and sounds quite serious. It’s sad, really.

  70. Since it’s probably important, Assange is within the Russian Sphere of influence. He’s been pretty clearly protected by them, as part of their classic approach to the low-level information warfare that the Soviets did.

    However, in the age of “Total Information Awareness”, I’m not sure that’s really a bad thing. When we’re under unprecedented surveillance, the Government has managed to hide even better.

    Though, it needs to be stated a lot: those connected with the Hillary campaign attempted to tie Assange to child porn and likely killed a few more people around him. The Channers managed to wrap up an entire NSA data collection front because of how pathetic the attempt was.

  71. The “#NeverTrump” faction does seem to have cost Trump MN and possibly NH. Though NH is clearly going to a recount on both the President & Senate.

  72. Opus says:

    Just as I predicted (oh yee of little faith – that means you Nova) – and what a week for Scots, and those of Scots decent – for you may have failed to notice that Andy Murray of Scotland (white male) is the world’s new No 1 ATP Tennis Player. Although I profess indifference to American politics and to whomsoever may be holding office the influence of America is such that this will surely in the weeks and months to come have ramifications in England and the rest of Europe and is thus much to my pleasure. Time for some more of these (not used since Brexit) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  73. @Opus:

    To Novaseeker’s credit, he’d been hedging the last few weeks, but he also lives in the DC area. The constant drum-beat makes it hard to see otherwise.

  74. Novaseeker says:

    What about small government, free-market people? Where do they go?

    What was the original ideology of America is now one that has no home at all…..

    That’s dead — the future is populist, of different stripes. Same as the 20th. Plus ca change, plue c’est la meme chose and so on.

  75. Novaseeker says:

    It’s a watershed election, no question. Historic in the sense of the general surprise of it.

    This should provide an early opportunity in 2017 for Trump. The question is whether he will capitalize.

  76. @Novaseeker:

    Well, Trump was running against every Rich Man he’d ever known, and he won. Now he’s running against the great Presidents. I think he’ll work hard to deliver.

    I also think people are going to be amazed how much can actually get done in a hurry if there’s effort to do it. (Plus, well, deal making.)

  77. dragnet says:

    Nationalists 1, Globalists 0

  78. Dave says:

    I just woke up to some of the best news I’ve heard in a long time. Trump won!
    Now he needs even more support from everyone to be the best president America has had in a very long time.

  79. The Interpreter says:

    Trump’s victory speech had four agenda points:
    1. National unity
    2. Infrastructure
    3. Veterans
    4. Giving the forgotten a renewed sense of purpose

    I was just reflecting that a manlier manifesto it would be hard to imagine, Feminizm’s position on these four points is:
    1. Grievance groupings
    2. Not having to think about yucky low-class men doing their icky physical jobs
    3. Having men bleed unseen and return home unheard to maintain wealth and comfort for the right sort at home, while poster images of soldierettes (one featured in a recruitment clip recently said her message to girls to persuade them to enlist was “you can be both strong and pretty”) assuage the feminist conscience
    4. Parachuting a grasping minority of women into high-visibility makework positions while most men and women slave invisibly for them

    No wonder the “professional” women I saw on the commute and at university this morning in Europe (one was so stereotypical, she even took up a seat on the train for her bag) were all declaiming Trump as simply frightful. This is really personal for them, and they are making it so for their beta husbands and children as well.

  80. We’ll never have a full accounting of it, but there was a massive amount of behind-the-scenes activity. A lot of voter fraud was likely prevented, as the Dems really were trying to put the fix in. (Notice the problems only seemed to happen in key Swing States… and IL.) Though Social Media really changed the landscape.

    Hopefully something Trump will address is that all Electronic Voting should have a paper trail and all source codes should be Public. No more of this Black Box shenanigans.

  81. Oscar says:

    Congratulations, you magnificent bastards!

  82. Oscar says:

    Dammit!

  83. Höllenhund says:

    Someone at We Hunter the Mammoth is threatening suicide – and sounds quite serious. It’s sad, really.

    Well, no. I checked out that shitpile of a page because someone above recommended it, and I see his commenters sucking up to this idiot, pandering to her(?), coddling her ego, offering emotional support etc. It’s a complete double standard based on in-group preference. If a poor, white 30-something man was expressing the same feelings in a similar situation (.e. a Hillary victory), they would all laugh at him, taunt him, egg him on, savagely attack him, tell him he’s a scumbag and the world will be better off without him. We can be sure about that.

    Screw them all, really. The Khmer Rogue rule applies to them: to keep them is no benefit, to destroy them is no loss.

  84. Intentionally did not look at TV last night. I didn’t want to listen to all the so called “experts” pontificate with their predictions and pollsters distort the voice of the people. I go to the gym this morning and get on the treadmill, look up at the TV to see Donald Trump Wins! My first thought – “Thank God” (I voted Trump)…My second thought…”God help us”.

  85. Höllenhund says:

    Bernie probably would’ve won against Trump as he could probably have gotten MI, WI, and PA

    Except that there’s pretty much no way Sanders would be getting the Southern and Midwestern states as a candidate, at least not to the degree Trump did. He’d be a perfect target for cuckservatives, the Christian Right and neocons as well. He’s exactly the kind of Democratic candidate they want to fight. There’s no way he would win.

  86. Oscar says:

    “America is a nation of many economies, but those that produce real, tangible things — food, fiber, energy and manufactured goods — went overwhelmingly for Trump.” ~ Joel Kotkin

    When the people who actually build the country with their hands overwhelmingly vote for one candidate, it’s wise to ask why. Naturally, the elites won’t.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/joelkotkin/2016/11/09/donald-trumps-presidenti-victory-demographics/#58c7bb0679a8

  87. Feminist Hater says:

    Trump actually gave a really good and positive acceptance speech and instead of deriding his opponent, showed respect and dignity in victory. Don’t get me wrong, I hope he really does nail her and puts her in prison.. but he handled himself well.

    I remember the flak Donald got, even here on this website for his unabashed tone. Saying that this would cost him the election. No, he was right on the money. He might be a pompous jerk but at least he tells it straight. He’s not perfect but honest people like that. Fake kindness is a weakness, one that Republicans have suffered from for ages.

    Trump pulled in a lot of voters compared to Mittens by doing the complete opposite. No sugar coating, no fear. He did it by being a man and facing his demons, facing his critics and facing his own dying party and telling them ‘no’. That is what won him this election.

  88. Lost Patrol says:

    @Opus and any other Europe based Dalrock readers:

    Some smart guy wrote about the iron law of the culture wars. The public hates overreach, and each side will always overreach.

    Trump’s victory is the second thing that’s happened. Brexit was the first. Do you think we can expect more such dominoes to fall on the continent?

  89. DrTorch says:

    When the people who actually build the country with their hands overwhelmingly vote for one candidate, it’s wise to ask why. Naturally, the elites won’t.

    Exactly right. Neither will the useful idiots who follow them.

  90. Dota says:

    I would have paid good money to see him say: “Hillary, you’re fired!”

  91. Hmm says:

    This election was really the culmination of the same sort of coalition building that goes on in parliamentary democracies like the UK. The difference is that the coalitions form under two parties before the election rather than several afterward.

    Trump’s coalition contained some unexpected (and unexpectedly numerous) participants – unexpected by the MSM, that is. That was abundantly clear in the shock I saw among the ABC reporters last night.

  92. Cane Caldo says:

    @Oscar

    When the people who actually build the country with their hands overwhelmingly vote for one candidate, it’s wise to ask why. Naturally, the elites won’t.

    It depends which elites we’re talking about. I watched NBC’s coverage last night. Chuck Todd, for example, led a pretty illuminating discussion at their roundtable asking how they missed this–and that was before PA was called for Trump. Liberal elites want to win so they will most certainly dissect this election. They will examine this loss and try to correct course and get back to winning.[1]

    It’s the establishment Republican elites who won’t ask why because their main goal is to be personally correct/politically holy. If they can win, then great, but it’s not their goal.

    [1] This has been a long game. Someone up-thread said “Nationalists 1, Globalists 0”. If the scoring is based on presidential elections, a more true rhetoric would be “Nationalists 3 (Eisenhower, Reagan, Trump), Globalists 22 (everyone else)”. Don’t miss the spread between “nationalist” wins.

    @Anon

    Do you recant your prediction that Trump was taking a dive for the Clintons?

  93. Cane Caldo says:

    @Hmm

    Trump’s coalition contained some unexpected (and unexpectedly numerous) participants – unexpected by the MSM, that is. That was abundantly clear in the shock I saw among the ABC reporters last night.

    Agreed. I watched a bit of ABC’s coverage. They were utterly stupefied. it was a national broadcast television version of “What the actual F? I can’t even…”

  94. The Interpreter says:

    @Lost Patriot Yes, the public is waking up here on the European continent at a rate of knots. Not much of this seeps into public knowledge abroad, because only a few journalists like Ambrose Evans-Pritchard are truthful and skilled enough to report on it from the source languages. The Continentals’ proportional representation and state funding of parties makes it a greater challenge than in an English-speaking country to shift a dead establishment, but you can notice in conversations and social media (especially top-rated scathing comments under sneering Establishment articles by mainstream press) that a critical mass is building. Central Europe is leading the way. France and Benelux will be (and already are being) less repressive of this momentum than the German-speaking and Scandinavian countries’ establishments; the Germanics are in a liberal tyranny death spiral, it is their absolutist state religion.

  95. thedeti says:

    I think we’ve discovered that the “deplorables” still have something to say about how they’re governed…

  96. BillyS says:

    I suspect that those who claim Trump only did it to help Clinton will now claim that was his original intent but that he got pulled away at the last minute, or something like that. People who would believe that don’t follow strong logic.

    They also usually claim Trump is more dangerous than Hillary, in spite of all she has done.

  97. Gunner Q says:

    Anon @ November 8, 2016 at 7:54 pm:
    “No other group is voting very differently than 25-30 years ago. But Asians went from 70% GOP to 70% Dem.”

    This is fallout from our gov’t selling us to China.Our state leaders (CA and, I’ve heard, WA) are tripping over each other to “build alliances with China” and “encourage Chinese investment”. You may have noticed the movie industry’s enthusiasm for the Chinese market? Tip of the iceberg.

    Looking Glass @ 2:47 am:
    “Now, does Hillary flee the country?”

    The moment Trump replaces Comey, I suspect. Hope.

  98. Hmm says:

    Maybe Hillary knows now why she wasn’t 50 points ahead.

    Nah.

  99. Opus says:

    @Lost Patrol

    To answer your question:

    I can only presume that Mr Trump’s victory will embolden others in Europe – I see that Orban Viktor, of Hungary, Madamoiselle Le Pen of la belle France and even Mr Dutarte were quick to send their congratulations to Mr Trump.

    So far as post Brexit England is concerned (and recall, the prospect of not Brexiting lead to the assassination of the ghastly globalist ex-carousel-rider and feminist Mrs Cox an affirmative action member, before her assassination, of our Parliament) the Prime Minister continues to make clear that England will leave the European Union – her job after all depends on it. Our latest little battle against the forces of Globalism is is to defy FIFA (the equivalent for Soccer of the U.N.) when England plays Scotland at Wembley London, tomorrow the 11th November – Armistice Day in Britain; both teams will defy FIFA and wear arm-bands and a poppy to commemorate war dead, and the Prime Minister told FIFA – frankly – to get lost and put their own house in order before trying to politicize the gesture of commemoration by threatening disciplinary proceedings – against the country that invented the game for heaven’s sake – and not one person in Great Britain is opposed to and in fact is strongly in favour of the teams so wearing the arm-band and poppy – an open goal so far as the Prime Minister is concerned – seeing that everyone in the street (myself included) does not venture out at this time of the year without a poppy on display.

    Interestingly, the application in the High Court to stop Brexit was brought by a black South African woman and likewise the Poppy-ban by a black Woman from Senegal – both however with British passports. As Mr Farrage said to the first of those two on television ‘what part of the word “leave” is it that you do not understand’ – Mr Farrage you may recall was a speaker at a Trump rally where he said he would not vote for Mrs Clinton if the audience paid him and then added that he would not vote for her if Mrs Clinton were to do likewise – [much laughter].

    That is how things stand but as every National Soccer team knows, never underestimate the Germans, who so I am told, are pretty fed up, and then there are the Netherlands and Sweden who may both kick-off ere long.

  100. Scott says:

    D– email sent.

  101. The Jack Russell Terrorist says:

    Feminist Hater says:
    November 9, 2016 at 1:56 am

    Amy Schumer better be packing her bags. I bet Canada can’t wait!

    As a Canucklehead,😉. I believe Sweden, Cuba or Venezuela would be a better choice for her and all these other lefties. North Korea is another option as a last resort.

  102. Oscar says:

    @ Cane

    You’re probably right about which elites will learn. After all, people either win or they learn. Still, the elites’ (all of them) hatred and contempt for blue collar whites (especially men) was so thick you could cut it with a chain saw. Can they suppress it enough to win them back?

  103. Heidi says:

    @Opus

    You still wear the poppies? That’s neat! I suppose you Brits have longer memories than we Yanks do. (Not that we ever wore poppies, and I think most of us had to read “In Flanders Field” in school, but I suspect many of us don’t know the origins of “Veterans Day.”)

  104. Dalrock says:

    @Christian

    OT: Jenny Erickson has been tweeting about her pregnancy. Did she ever remarry, or did she just fornicate?

    I can’t imagine her remarrying without an article on the Stir and a post on her blog. Nor can I imagine her tweeting about an in-wedlock pregnancy without finding an excuse to subtly point out that she is married to the baby daddy.

  105. Cane Caldo says:

    @Oscar

    Can they suppress it enough to win them back?

    Good question. One thing to consider is that they only need to win enough white men–and only long enough–until non-whites reach a critical mass.

    The questions are: Can white men stay awake? Who will keep them awake? Trump woke them up at least a little bit, but in the long run they can only fully awake if some among the lower ranks take up posts. They’ll need sergeants.

  106. The Question says:

    @ Dalrock

    I can’t say much about what I witnessed during the election coverage except to that this was totally a gender-war from the female side. This had “you go girl, we’ll show those evil bigoted misogynist men what strong independent women we are!” written all over it.

  107. Cane Caldo says:

    @Christian & Dalrock

    According to her Twitter feed, Jenny Erickson’s due in April.

    That puts conception probably in July. In July, Jenny’s dad took her and her kids to Hawaii…

    …which could have spurred a joie de coq episode either during the trip, or sometime before it as part of her building anticipation. We do know that on June 10 she was tweeting about Tinder,

    and that July 5 she tweeted a variation of “I don’t need men”

    a sure sign she either had trouble finding a man, or had just added to her life-experience of them.

  108. Feminist Hater says:

    As a Canucklehead,😉. I believe Sweden, Cuba or Venezuela would be a better choice for her and all these other lefties. North Korea is another option as a last resort.

    You might be in luck. It looks like she actually said Spain, so say a prayer for the Spaniards, they’re going to need it!

  109. Lost Patrol says:

    @The Question

    This had “you go girl, we’ll show those evil bigoted misogynist men what strong independent women we are!” written all over it.

    That part is still intact. Anita Kumar tweets: @HillaryClinton to little girls; Never doubt you are valuable and powerful and deserving

    Everybody can get on board with valuable – but of course powerful and deserving must be emphasized as well.

    @The Interpreter, @Opus,

    Thanks. Will be watching all that with heightened interest now. BTW, during a previous life I was stationed for a time within the Commonwealth. We proudly marched every year alongside Her Majesty’s forces in the Remembrance Day Parade. Wearing poppies on our uniforms of course. The RSM was a haughty bastard. We respected him though.

  110. feeriker says:

    @Christian

    OT: Jenny Erickson has been tweeting about her pregnancy. Did she ever remarry, or did she just fornicate?

    I can’t imagine her remarrying without an article on the Stir and a post on her blog. Nor can I imagine her tweeting about an in-wedlock pregnancy without finding an excuse to subtly point out that she is married to the baby daddy.

    Looks like Leif Erickson went through what turned out to be a major blessing in disguise, albeit a painful one. How blessed he is indeed to be rid of this poisonous slut and in the arms of a woman who is, hopefully, a loving, nurturing, devoted wife.

  111. Oscar says:

    @ Cane

    I suppose the answers to your questions depend in part on what Trump and the Republicans do now. They retained control of both houses of Congress, so their voters will rightly expect much of them. If they feel betrayed (again) four years from now, they’ll say “screw it” and stay home.

    The other danger is that, if they feel like the country is headed in the right direction, they’ll become apathetic. That’s why the sergeants you mentioned are so important. I’ve tried to remain politically informed since my teenage years, but I’ve been a Soldier since 17, so I’ve never been politically active, so I have no insight as to who can or will fill that role.

  112. Anon says:

    Cane Caldo,

    Do you recant your prediction that Trump was taking a dive for the Clintons?

    I think so (which would be good news for America). The next 60 days will tell us for sure.

    Feeriker and JDG were of the same view as me at the time. Perhaps they can chime in..

  113. Anon says:

    dragnet,

    Did you vote for Trump? I am quite curious to know if you did.

  114. feeriker says:

    Feeriker and JDG were of the same view as me at the time. Perhaps they can chime in..

    Sorry for being a little late to Part II of this party.

    I didn’t stay up last night to see the final results (an all-day job interview yesterday had me more exhausted than usual and in bed earlier than usual), but I was elated to see the results. I’m quite prepared to dine on crow (I prefer it deep fried, like chicken), a meal which will be rather tasty if my cynicism turns out to be completely unfounded. Like Anon, however, I am going to defer the meal for a couple of months until events fully pan out.

    While I truly do want to believe that “all is really as it seems to be,” that we “deplorables” have delivered the Establishment a pelvis-shattering kick in its mid-section, recent history warns that only a fool or a dreamer makes such optimism his default assumption when it comes to politics.

    May God truly be showing mercy on our nation, most undeserving of it as it may be.

  115. SirHamster says:

    Hopefully something Trump will address is that all Electronic Voting should have a paper trail and all source codes should be Public. No more of this Black Box shenanigans.

    As a SW engineer, I’d rather have electronic voting completely banned. The risk fraud completely outweighs the convenience. Every vote is on a paper ballot. Design the system so that destroying or tampering a vote requires physical interaction.

    The only use of tech should be to reinforce the audit chain, such as livestream video of storage and handling of ballots. Maybe allow electronic counting too, as long as it redundantly uses at least 2+ vendors and/or manual counting.

    Americans in times past were able to survive not having same-day results, so can we.

  116. Anon says:

    I wish this magnificent thread were not polluted by Jenny Erikson. Bash that slut another day…

    Trump, having the marketing savvy that the GOPe cucks lack, can undo the greatest electoral tragedy of the last generation : the fact that Asians swung from voting 70% Republican in the 90s to just 30% Republican now.

    See the chart above. Every other group votes Republican in proportion to their income. Asians used to as well (being the highest income/education group of all), before swerving towards Democrats (seemingly against their own economic interest). This is purely a situation caused by branding/marketing, and is reversible. Unlike Hispanics, who never voted for the GOP, it is a very different thing when a group SWINGS so sharply away from a party in such a short time. No GOP strategist even mentioned this (which proves that the GOPe cucks were just paid to show up and lose to the lefto-narrative).

    Asians merely going back to they way they voted in the 1990s would turn the entire West Coast purple. I kid you not. NJ would be purple too. Unlike getting 20% of the black vote and 50% of the Hispanic vote (neither of which has happened in our lifetimes), this is actually achievable, since it was a reality pretty recently. Trump’s marketing machine has a huge opportunity here.

  117. Opus says:

    Never been to the former Kingdom of Hawaii – it’s been embedded in America now has it not – so I was wondering whether it is one of those holiday paradises where youngish men ply their wares for a small fee? Or perhaps Erikson met someone in southern California before she set off for Hawaii with her two daughters and without monetary exchange. It ought to be Opus’ third Law (I recall number one but forget number two) that whenever a woman declares that she is not interested in men (or prefers sleeping alone) as Jenny Erikson averred on Twitter last July that she is about to or already has allowed some here-today/gone-tomorrow libertine to sleep in that very bed – I’m guessing the previous night. How does she square her avowed anti-pussy-grabbing-anti-Trump Republicanism with her promiscuity and imminent production of an illegitimate daughter – or will we hear that some man is prepared to step up to the plate and take one for the team?

    Everyone will applaud her but this is surely another fall-in-status after the jettisoning of Leif. It is, I observe, only females (like Erikson) with so-so looks who tend to screw-up like this; women caught between settling for men they do not want as they fail to attract the Alpha men they would willingly marry – were they asked – which of course they won’t be.

  118. Anon says:

    Again, Obamacare is what did it. A lot of people got 60% premium increase notices in the two weeks before the election. That is why even 42% of women voted for Trump…..

  119. Cane Caldo says:

    @Oscar

    If they feel betrayed (again) four years from now, they’ll say “screw it” and stay home.

    If liberals are smart they will stay quiet and induce daddies to take more naps. I saw video of protests in Pittsburg and at UCLA. Those were stupid. Protests in the streets will keep us up. Illegals marching in the streets or pillaging the countryside on their way back south o’ the border will get us armed…though I think they cannot stop themselves from that if Trump halts immigration, rolls back Obama’s border patrol anti-policies, submits a budget for The Wall, and so forth.

  120. @Anon:

    Trump has laid out a path for re-election. And I expect the Democrats to not find some Hispanic Woman to run. (Their identity politics kill-shot.) But, reelections are always referendums on the President’s job, so that’s not unexpected.

    We’ll have to wait a few weeks to start to get a detailed picture about turnout, but I think NV went Clinton because of the massive PsyOps Media campaign. The “Winner Effect” and all of that. Especially as it looks like CA might end up down a lot of voters from 2012.

    Last point, as it probably shouldn’t be lost, the #NeverTrump + Egg McMuffin campaigns did do some damage. Gary Johnson got 4-5% in a lot of places that likely would shift to Trump in a re-election campaign. NH, Maine, MN and NV are probably the likely candidates. Maybe CO, but that one is wonkier.

    And, just to rub a point in on Hillary: she ran 2% below Al Gore in New York. And only eclipsed him in total vote count by about 30k. 16 years later. She’s a freaking terrible candidate.

  121. @Cane Caldo:

    The saddest part of all of this entire campaign is that most of Trump’s “Make America Great Again!” points will be accomplished just by stopping the Government from tipping the scale so far. So much is an artificial construct that I think people are going to be amazed.

    There’s also a funny bit about all of the Liberal Economists that were “all-in!!!” on Stimulus back in 2009. They’re all going to be against building a 5-7 Billion USD Wall, yet it’s exactly one of those projects they claimed needed to be done. The amounts of money Trump has proposed for Infrastructure is pretty trivial compared to Entitlements, which is why it’s so valuable.

    – Remove Illegals, which opens up jobs for citizens. (Removes spending.)
    – Build necessary infrastructure. (Moves spending here, removes people from Entitlements, increases money volatility and economic costs from bad infrastructure.)
    – Drop the regulations & taxes and let self-interest do its magic.
    – Hope the Bankers don’t implode themselves in the process. (He’s got a lot less control over that.)

    Considering DXY is probably headed to 120 over the next few years, Trump should be riding a strong dollar for a while.

  122. Cane Caldo says:

    Did y’all see this? (H/T: Social Pathologist) Michael Moore’s analysis is very good here. NSFW language warning.

    Obviously, the audio was removed from its intended context (In Moore’s film, this bit is followed up by a plea to white working class men that they should still give the establishment one more try and reject Trump.) but Moore’s read of white working class is right on. The creator of this video did a great job.

    So Moore got it. Chuck Todd and other NBC staff are learning. The left elites will learn. The RNC? They don’t care. Their direction proceeds from the corporatists’ bank accounts. National Review? I don’t think so. Cato Institute? Doubt it. Weekly Standard? Maybe, but not likely. At this moment, it is the Republican side which is weaker. That’s why Trump beat the R establishment, but Bernie couldn’t beat the D establishment. The D establishment has better discipline and vision.

  123. Boxer says:

    Amusing to see that Jenny Erikson is still struggling to remain relevant, now by becoming not just a divorcée, but a skank-ho single mom, with kids by different fathers. I’m sure old Leif is thankful that this basketcase wandered away from him, at this point. It worked out well for him, in the end, as it usually does for men who play it cool.

    I do feel sorry for all her kids, though. She sets a pretty wretched example.

  124. BillyS says:

    Cane,

    I don’t think liberals and their protesters really know how to stay quiet.

    Anon,

    The next 60 days will tell us for sure.

    How could he be a plant to get Clinton in office in this case? I am a bit confused.

    ====

    I think people need to realize what Trump represents more than exactly what he does. Filching out like Republicans have done many times in the recent past would be horrid, but accomplishing even part of his platform and declared agenda would be good.

    I would like it all implemented, but that would be the ideal case and falls short of likely reality. Figuring out how to go forward will be a challenge for many different people.

    I do hope he avoids all the “reconciliation” those on Fox News and elsewhere were pushing last night. Ignore the cucks!

    His acceptance speech was smart. It would be bad if that really was a sign of a “kinder, gentler Trump” even if it was a good political move.

  125. BillyS says:

    She’s a freaking terrible candidate.

    I continue to be amazed (though not completely surprised) at how many can go on and on about how bad Trump is and completely ignore her major flaws.

  126. BillyS says:

    Boxer,

    How can she have any claim to have God and Family as priorities on the blog linked to her Twitter account. She hasn’t blogged since 2014, but still hooks it. I could say it was a countdown, rather than a priority order, but even having then on the list is quite inconsistent with her life.

  127. Cane Caldo says:

    @LG

    [M]ost of Trump’s “Make America Great Again!” points will be accomplished just by stopping the Government from tipping the scale so far. So much is an artificial construct that I think people are going to be amazed.

    I think our amazement depends. How much of a stink will the illegals make, and how much do those in authority want to get off their ass? Police, even in deeply red areas of Texas, say they can’t do anything about illegals. “We’re only local police and don’t have the resources!” Well then how is it that Sheriff Joe can cause illegals so many problems?

    I bet code enforcement, which is a local matter, in the barrio would do wonders. There’s a section of my town with housing add-ons and shanties between that looks like it was air-lifted out of a Brazilian favela.

    But there’s a chance such an enforcement would go sideways: Conservatives (we’ll call them Good Guys) like to show their zeal for the law and their willingness to fight liberals (Bad Guys) by fighting conservatives and normals first…you know, to impress the Bad Guys that We’re Really Serious This Time! But it doesn’t impress the Bad Guys because the Bad Guys are already at war with Good Guys.

    The net effect of such a tactic is this: Good Guys kill other Good Guys, Bad Guys don’t care, and now Good Guys are demoralized and quit the Anti-Bad Guy program before a single Bad Guy ever gets targeted.

  128. Boxer says:

    Dear Billy:

    How can she have any claim to have God and Family as priorities on the blog linked to her Twitter account. She hasn’t blogged since 2014, but still hooks it. I could say it was a countdown, rather than a priority order, but even having then on the list is quite inconsistent with her life.

    I have a theory about [most]* women’s views on religion, which I tend to call the feminine view. For women*, religion is an outward marker of status or membership in some ingroup or other. I saw this growing up, watching different people convert from Christianity to Mormonism; and I saw it a few years ago, when I hung around with a bunch of Muslim friends, and saw converts to that tradition.

    Basically, men* tend to convert to something seriously, seeing it as a discipline, that can make them better men and better people. Women* just treat religion as a prop, which has very little to do with themselves or their inner life. It’s something like a new dress, that can be exchanged if a better one appears in a shop window.

    So our pal Jenny is using “god faith and family” in this way, but it’s not really surprising when you look at it through this lens.

    Boxer

    *Yes, I’m aware that there are exceptions. Lots of hardcore Catholic and Protestant sisters on this site will attest to that, as well as plenty of Glenn Beck type men who convert for superficial reasons (Glenn Beck converted to Mormonism for business opportunities). I’m speaking in very broad generalities.

  129. Casey says:

    Regardless of your political leanings, last nights election was a strong repudiation of all things ‘status quo’.

    The Occupy Wall Street movement was ignored (and dispensed with quite handily), the BREXIT vote was a gigantic missed call by the political class. Now another, and larger, missed call regarding a Trump presidency.

    This is the message that can’t sink into thick skulls (political class, leftists, feminists): Simply thus – THE LAST 60 YEARS HAVE BEEN AN ABERRATION !!!

    Feminism has been chief among these aberrations, and so will eventually be revealed for the hypocrisy within it truly is steeped.

    I expect real conflict will befall Western nations in the coming 4 – 8 years.

    It will be your SONS that are marched off to war, not your DAUGHTERS who masquerade as soldiers.

  130. Cane Caldo says:

    Stephen Colbert began the White Dude’s Lullaby last night.

    The end is hilarious. He tries to lead the audience in “My Country, Tis of Thee”, but you can only hear Colbert–even though laughter during the segment would occasionally drown out his words; as one would expect. It’s tough to hold an impromptu patriotic sing-along after 50 years of teaching everyone that America and patriotism and old songs are forms of white oppression.

  131. Gunner Q says:

    Opus@ 1:59 pm:
    “Never been to the former Kingdom of Hawaii – it’s been embedded in America now has it not – so I was wondering whether it is one of those holiday paradises where youngish men ply their wares for a small fee?”

    No. I’ve worked there and the natives still have the nativist attitude and tropical work ethic they always did. Cost of living is higher that coastal California too, which is saying something. They use us for money & infrastructure and we use them for military bases & giant resorts. There’s no real love here. Come for the SCUBA, leave for your sanity.

    BillyS @ 2:48 pm:
    “I don’t think liberals and their protesters really know how to stay quiet.”

    +1. The parasites, by definition, have nothing to offer us so they’ll double- and quadruple-down until they get their way or their world burns in turn.

  132. Anon says:

    The absurd narcissism by lefties who declare they are going to move to Canada because Trump won is merely a loud advertisement for their low intelligence and poor character.

    1) Again, why not Mexico, Cuba, or Haiti? All of them have great weather. Leftists are racists, of course, so only consider Canada.
    2) Leftists usually work in jobs that would not exist in most other countries. Few countries can afford so many lefty make-work sinecures as the US. That is in fact a more valid reason for them to go to Canada, but they should admit that being a moocher is all they know.
    3) That they NEVER follow through on this, despite this declaration, merely exposes their phoniness. They obviously don’t take this into account.
    4) Canada, too, occasionally votes in right-wing governments. Plus, Canada does certain things better than the US (they don’t allow new regulations unless an old one of equal size and scope is repealed). Lefties don’t know this.
    5) Canada is a huge beneficiary of selling hydrocarbons that emit CO2 into the atmosphere. Plus, energy consumption in Canada per capita is higher than the US. These idiots cannot go to Canada if they care about ‘global warming’.

    So much low intelligence packed into one simple declaration.

  133. What’s most interesting in the responses about the Trump victory are the claims that racism, misogyny, sexism and xenophobia in America drove the rejection of Hillary.

    False

    Trump’s victory was American voters, the majority being white employed men and women, giving the double-birds to the Washington DC and Wall Street establishment, both Democrat AND Republican , including the traditional, bought-and-paid-for establishment media, namely CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox News.

    Trump was a populist, anti-establishment candidate from the start.
    Bernie Sanders was also a populist, anti-establishment candidate, and politically independent himself for decades, but who needed broad-based financial back from the Democrats to win.
    Both were immensely popular with average, American voters, young people, women, Hispanics and Blacks.

    But the DNC rejected Sanders in wholesale fashion in order to preserve selection of the most establishment candidate ever: Hillary Clinton.

    The RNC rejected Trump in favor of weak, cold fish, compliant, beta male, religious nitwits: Rubio, Carson, Bush, Christie. This failed in spectacular fashion because of Trump’s populism and alpha, IDGAF approach. Ultimately the RNC had no choice but to accept Trump to their ticket because they had NOBODY ELSE. Trump normally would have been relegated to an Independent status.

    Then Americans of all races and sexes chose the anti-establishment candidate, the outsider of Washington, despite his overt, unsavory character flaws.

    Americans care about their personal liberty, prosperity and want something done about the money-laundering, “pay for play all day” Washington DC cesspool, and their Wall Street Casino financier girlfriends.

    Hillary Clinton lost because of decades of complacency by the establishment. In 2008 there were no perp walks by AIG, Lehman and Morgan Stanley. They all got golden parachutes and bonuses. The banks were not broken up. The former CEO of Countrywide, Angelo Mozilo, still walks free today, despite the fact that their behavior and greed brought the US economy to its knees, destroyed tens of thousands of jobs and the foreclosed on the future and standard of living of millennials and their future children (which they aren’t having btw).

  134. While Trump has won his mandate for 4 years, any Republican hangers-on, political conservative administrators, cabinet members and advisers, and any right-wing, evangelical, Rush Limbaugh-listening triumphalists would all do well to remember exactly what happened to John Podesta and Hillary Clinton.

    In no way should Trump’s win yesterday be confused with a return to the Republican glory days and traditionalism of old. Those days are over. Trump has to deliver on economic policy and growth (trade, jobs, lower taxes, better household bottom lines, security) and fix the corruption in Washington, or get the fuck out of the way for someone who will.

    Personally, I have zero faith that those who call themselves Republicans really understand what just happened, and what it means about results.

  135. @Anon:

    The leftists would all freeze. The only Left-aligned countries in northern climates are well into the “drill, baby, drill!” camp.

    @Cane:

    Part of it is will, the other part of it is political cover. No one really sticks their neck out in politics, unless they’re a local pol and that is simply their ceiling. Half of the people working in any State Capitol want to be President. So there’s a MASSIVE in-group preference for very safe actions. That’s why the Progressives slow-push strategy has worked so well. (Flooding schools with incapable & indoctrinated teachers helps matters as well.)

    But so much of the Elites games only work when the President gives them cover. All large organizations take on the personality of their Leader. This is why top CEO pay is so insanely high: there are scarcely few that can do it. In the case of a Trump Admin, you’re going to have a lot of Deal Making, Things Done On Time and Abusing of Banks. And it’ll all be in a New York-style. (A lot of actors need to work on their New York accent is all I’m saying.)

    [I’m all for abusing the banks, btw!]

    This is one of the funny parts about major businesses, actually. It’s most commonly reflected in Professional Sports. The team, in the on-field product, will display much of the character of the owners. Though a lot less baseball for some technical reasons, but most coordinated team sports will definitely show it. So the actual main job of the President & GM is really to harness the positive qualities of the Owner and limit the negative ones. (You really need a combination of Owner + GM + Star athlete to win in pro sports; all but a few coaches are pretty fungible.)

    This is why the Obama Administration works the way it does. It’s really all show and sending money to low-level functionaries to be annoying, with a general Progressive approach to everything. I was actually thinking about what Obama had accomplished in 8 years, and the only things I can think of he got drug into with little planning and they’ve all blown up. Nothing except his NCAA Bracket and Golf really seemed to get that much investment from him.

    This is why a Trump Administration will… build things. Not sure what all “things” those will be, but he’s going to get people building them. And they’re going to look good, too. I expect many new, very large-fonted “USA”‘s on things.

  136. feeriker says:

    Personally, I have zero faith that those who call themselves Republicans really understand what just happened, and what it means about results.

    Oh, they understand alright. They’re just in denial and are not about to accept the message from Main Street that the Republican Establishment’s reign is over, that no longer will the rank and file EVER accept what has been the status quo. It would be very nice if phony blowhards like Lardbaugh, Hannitard, Savage (no need to mock that surname), etcetera and so on, saw their radio shows tank in the ratings to the point where they’re kicked off the air (they’ve been mouthpieces for the GOP Establishment since Day One), but I’ll be satisfied in the interim with an admission that there is no going back to “Glory Days” that never existed in the first place. Even better would be for the Establishment apologists to be constantly and mercilessly reminded by the Deplorable Class that they’re living on borrowed time if they refuse to accept the message has been delivered. That goes double for the GOP Establishment types infesting Crapitol Hill who think that they can stymie the Trump Platform. These assholes are going to find themselves facing the prospect of needing gainful employment in the real world VERY QUICKLY if they decided to attempt to defend or continue the status quo.

  137. JDG says:

    Feeriker and JDG were of the same view as me at the time. Perhaps they can chime in..

    Sorry, but my new job has me so fatigued that I can neither affirm nor deny this. I do remember Trump taking a bullet for Hillary being discussed and thinking that I could see that happening, but I also remember a couple of other scenarios which I thought were possible. I don’t remember how I fleshed all that out.

    I do remember thinking that the elites would never allow Trump to win. Maybe the elections aren’t pre-determined by a handful of the richest people in the world after all (or maybe this is all part of some other plan). Either way I know it’s all part of God’s plan.

    My thoughts on the election have from the start been that no matter who won there would be a feminist in the white house; however, I am grateful that God spared us the shame of having a female Commander in Chief and a criminal one at that.

  138. @constrainedlocus:

    One subtle detail on Bernie. He came to an agreement to not attack Clinton on certain things. (Go go Podesta’s emails!) That + fairly obvious electronic voter fraud is the only way Clinton won the primary. The “fix” had been in since 2000 for Hillary to be the Democratic nominee for President. Obama just had the balls to ignore that. (He also had his own power base, from Chicago, to back him up.)

    Though a Trump vs Bernie campaign would have been very interesting. And extremely different. Plus I really doubt most Blacks & Hispanics were going to vote for an old NE Jewish Socialist. (Who has a nice, new Audi R8 in red, no less.) The electoral map would have looked both wonky and a little different in that one, mostly because the New York money would have been confused as hell for a while to figure out what they were doing. (And INSANELY PISSED at Hillary.)

  139. @JDG:

    The Elites are at war with each other. And there was a LOT of advantage to be gained by backing Trump late. There was a clear, hyper-coordinated campaign to take down the Clintons that we’ll never get any information about. Though I would tag out the National Security, especially the Military, as the major driving force. Probably specifically the DIA-locus of power, from a logical point of view.

    I know from other channels and study that the Panic of 2008 is what caused the fissure and it’s been rolling ever since. But Soros and his lackeys over-stepped their bounds, and I really am curious if Trump might allow Soros to be extradidated to Russia. That would be fitting. (I more expect him to have a heart attack soon. He’s 86 after all. Things happen at that age.🙂 )

  140. JDG says:

    Looking Glass says:
    November 9, 2016 at 6:44 pm

    That the elites were at war did not occur to me, but it makes perfect sense. Your entire post is making sense.

  141. sipcode says:

    Fewwwww…. That was close.

    Now that the election is over, America can go back to forgetting about God.

  142. JDG says:

    Now that the election is over, America can go back to forgetting about God.

    Sad but true. I’m convinced that this country has been abandoned by God and we are witnesses to the consequences.

    Romans 1:28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

  143. @Cane Caldo

    The majority of White women voted for Trump. And to be frank, Trump had a lot of negatives with White women. His last minute TV commercials on child care polled as very helpful, which is why they staged the “grab them” leak right afterward.

    Race trump sex. Married White women tend to vote the same way their husbands vote. Despite all the hoopla about “the first female President” and the feminists attacking women who voted for Sanders and Trump, the majority of White women voted against the feminists. If Trump had put even a little more effort he would have won even more of the White women vote (Trump had White men in the bag since day one.)

    Also – the popular vote was basically tied, with Clinton winning a tiny bit more from what I’ve read. It was Trump economic populism and his promises to restrict immigration that won him the Rust Belt vote.

    So if this election shows us anything, it is that:

    1. White Identity politics has arrived and Whites will start voting as a block, especially if we can get more White women.

    2. Chamber of Commerce conservative Republican gas-baggery of the George W. Bush type is a loser. Like it or not, Trump is basically a liberal. Yeb! Bush lost big, Cruz’s phony-Christian act failed, and Marco Rubio isn’t the future of the GOP after all. Wall Street wasn’t able to sucker Whites into voting against their own interests by running fake Christians and calling White people “racist anti-seeemite Hitler Nazi sexist” isn’t working anymore.

    3. Trump ran on the ISSUES – this was the most substantive campaign in memory. Immigration, trade, jobs. Bread and butter issues. Even the liberals really wanted Bernie Sanders, who also ran on ISSUES like jobs and against globalist trade deals. Sanders originally even came out against mass immigration, saying it was a “Koch Brother policy” that hurt the working class and the poor, but backed down because the Democratic party is anti-white and refuses to countenance any slow down in non-white immigration.

    4 Bush/Obama wars against the Muslim world can’t be sold to the average American anymore – Obama’s attempt to attack Russia via Ukraine and Syria didn’t work, and even Obama wasn’t fool-hardy enough to try and start a hot war with Iran.

    5. The voter divide is clear as day now – it’s the elites, the establishment, Wall Street, upper class Whites – and virtually all non-whites and anti-White white groups (like Ashkenazis) against the White middle and working class majority, who voted overwhelmingly for Trump.

    6. Social Justice Warriorism is dead. Both the Democrats and the Republicans spent the last year screaming “NAZI HITLER ANTI-SEEEEMITE SEXIST RACIST” at Trump and anyone voting for him, and it just didn’t work. “Nasty women” backfired. Feminists accusing White women of “selling out the sisterhood” didn’t work. Everyone just rolled their eyes and voted for Trump because of jobs, trade, and immigration.

  144. We’ll have to see, but it seems like it’s possible the Media PsyOps massively pushed down West-coast GOP voting, with Clinton online to have a larger margin of victory in CA than Obama. Which is damn odd, if we’re being honest.

  145. Oscar says:

    @ Casey says:
    November 9, 2016 at 3:07 pm

    “The Occupy Wall Street movement was ignored (and dispensed with quite handily)”

    Well, that’s because rioting, vandalizing, destroying private and public property, assault, theft, rape and murder are still frowned upon by most Americans.

  146. Oscar says:

    @ Hipster Racist says:
    November 9, 2016 at 8:17 pm

    “White Identity politics has arrived and Whites will start voting as a block, especially if we can get more White women.”

    58% isn’t exactly a unified block, especially when compared with the rest.

    Source: http://hotair.com/archives/2016/11/09/election-wrap-up-interesting-odds-and-ends-from-the-data/

  147. Anon says:

    White voter preference for the GOP was not any more than in 2012 :

    Instead, black and Hispanic voters went more for the GOP than before.

    In reality, the gender gap has been ever-widening (mirroring the decline in marriage) and was wider than ever this time :

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/ft_16-11-09_exitpolls_gender/

    If anything, Trump won because MEN turned out more than before.

    Oscar,

    Of course. 58% was the same as it was in 2012.

    Remember that the greatest frustration of a WN is that most whites are just not interested in the Goddess Cult they are selling.

  148. Oscar says:

    Mittens got 59% of the white vote. Given the standard 3% margin of error, it’s a tie.

  149. feeriker says:

    Now for the $64,000 question:

    Will the lame duck Kenyandonesian Muslim sock puppet go on a rampage in his last couple of months in office, churning out Executive Orders faster than Hitlary spins lies? Or will the GOP-dominated Congress finally grow some balls and put him in his place before sending him packing to what would be, in a land where any justice existed, a jail cell in same slammer that will (hopefully) hold Hitlary?

  150. Cane Caldo says:

    @Hipster Racist

    Race trump sex. Married White women tend to vote the same way their husbands vote.

    Seems like it is marriage which does the trumping rather than race per se. Like others, I’m not seeing a new pattern here which deviates from previous elections. Perhaps more white people in the Rust Belt states showed up. if that’s true, then perhaps a bit less showed up in other states. Part of the problem with the nationwide stats is that it doesn’t reflect demographics in states, yet it is the state-by-state breakdown which can tell us who won the electoral college seats.

    1. White Identity politics has arrived and Whites will start voting as a block, especially if we can get more White women.

    It’s likely that smart Libs, Dems, and Establishmentarians will come to this same conclusion, and use the lure of more female votes to convince men to adopt more feminist policies in an attempt to get the female vote.

    6. Social Justice Warriorism is dead.

    In its current incarnation, perhaps you are right. I am unconvinced this is true in the long run. There could be a lot more emphasis on the Warrior part from the Left; protests, riots, etc.

  151. So in the last two elections, Whites broke heavily for the GOP. Bill Clinton was quite popular with white men. The Democrats increasingly rely on the non-white vote (which as we see, all non-whites – even Asians – vote heavily for the Democrats and increasingly so that means they are vote for RACE, not economic class.)

    We can also see that anti-whites are desperate to pit white men against white women, something I noticed three years back when various non-white “manosphere” men were suggesting that “all men should team up against all women” – then would go on to fantasize about bedding white women.

    The anti-whites threw everything they could at Trump – he was compared to Adolph Hitler, the Ku Klux Klan, and they spent nearly a year screaming “racist anti-seeemite” non-stop. It didn’t work.

    Even liberal publications like the Nation are calling this an expression of White identity politics.

    (As for the weirdness about a “goddess cult” or Boxer’s obsession with skinheads, they only attack when they are defensive. ONLY white people are called “racist” and ONLY white people are attacked for voting in their own perceived interests. All other groups naturally vote for the Democrats because the Democrats promote the interests of all non-whites. ONLY white people split their vote, but as we see that is changing.)

    The majority of White women voted against “the first female president” despite constant attacks from feminists. Some will attempt to spin it but it is what it is.

  152. There could be a lot more emphasis on the Warrior part from the Left; protests, riots, etc.

    The rioting today is being done by non-whites – NOT liberal Whites and not White women.

    The Democrats spent the entire election season attacking Whites for supporting Trump – they are now attacking White women who voted for Trump (the majority of White women.)

    The Democrats certainly see the racial aspects here. Virtually every single article written about the elections breaks down the vote by ethnicity – even the anti-whites here are posting stats showing that non-Whites vote as a block for Democrats, and the GOP is constantly attacked as the “White party.”

    Trump had huge personal negatives – he isn’t a conservative. He spent more time supporting the Democrats than the GOP. The GOP establishment hated him. He was vilified as a “racist” and the media constantly attacked his based as too “white.” Yet still the majority of Whites voted for him.

    If people aren’t seeing the obvious racial/ethnic factor here, it’s because they don’t want to.

    And as for White women – the majority of whom voted for Trump – as I said, all we need is to get up the White women vote and Whites will be voting as a block – just like all the other racial/ethnic groups which vote as a block.

  153. @feeriker:

    For as little as he’s actually done in 8 years (seriously, think about what he’s done, besides play golf), he’s only pardoning Hillary if she can cut him some deal. It’s whatever deal Obama can cut with Trump that matters. Because his fingers are all over Benghazi as well.

    @Anon:

    Considering most of the Exit Polls ended up being pretty wildly off, why are we sure, even with a huge sample size, that these are accurate? I just spent 4 months being insulted by the terribleness of the Media Polling. I’m not quite to the point that I accept those numbers are accurate.

  154. NYT: “Donald Trump’s Victory Was Built on Unique Coalition of White Voters”

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-donald-trumps-victory-was-built-on-unique-coalition-of-white-voters/

    One of the biggest upsets in American political history was built on a coalition of white voters unlike that of any other previous Republican candidate, according to election results and interviews with voters and demographic experts.

    Mr. Trump’s coalition comprised not just staunchly conservative Republicans in the South and West. They were joined by millions of voters in the onetime heartlands of 20th-century liberal populism — the Upper and Lower Midwest — where white Americans without a college degree voted decisively to reject the more diverse, educated and cosmopolitan Democratic Party of the 21st century, making Republicans the country’s dominant political party at every level of government.

    Mr. Trump spoke to their aspirations and fears more directly than any Republican candidate in decades, attacking illegal immigrants and Muslims and promising early Wednesday to return “the forgotten men and women of our country” to the symbolic and political forefront of American life. He electrified the country’s white majority and mustered its full strength against long-term demographic decay. …

    But Mr. Trump also won over millions of voters who had once flocked to President Obama’s promise of hope and change, and who on Tuesday saw in Mr. Trump their best chance to dampen the most painful blows of globalization and trade, to fight special interests, and to be heard and protected. Twelve percent of Mr. Trump’s supporters approved of Mr. Obama, according to the exit polls.

    I realize this is ruining some people’s narrative, but it is what it is.

  155. @Anon:

    To follow up my point, the Racial Data needs to be done ex-CA, OR, WA & NY. National data is worthless when most of that 37% for Clinton is possibly taken up in just a few States. I imagine what we would see is the *start* of the White Voting Bloc along the Midwest. (There’s also the issue that several million more CA voters simply didn’t show up this year, but I’m still curious what is going on there. Have they not counted absentee ballots yet?)

    We could actually be under a massive trend-split, with the Coastals becoming a culturally prominent but fairly small sub-group. They could end up shifting the skew to the shown 60/40, but in the places that matter, it ends up being closer to 80/20. Can’t answer that from that data.

  156. Casey says:

    @ Oscar says:
    November 9, 2016 at 10:39 pm

    Casey says:
    November 9, 2016 at 3:07 pm
    “The Occupy Wall Street movement was ignored (and dispensed with quite handily)”

    “Well, that’s because rioting, vandalizing, destroying private and public property, assault, theft, rape and murder are still frowned upon by most Americans.”

    Seriously Oscar? Why don’t you go sit on the other side of the room with the leftists who declare that “All Men Rape”.

    And just for fun, could you tell us which Investment Bank that you work for?

  157. Oscar says:

    @ Hipster Racist says:
    November 9, 2016 at 11:58 pm

    “The anti-whites threw everything they could at Trump – he was compared to Adolph Hitler, the Ku Klux Klan, and they spent nearly a year screaming ‘racist anti-seeemite’ non-stop. It didn’t work.”

    You do realize that they do that to every Republican, regardless of race, right?

    “I realize this is ruining some people’s narrative, but it is what it is.”

    Do you realize that the NYT is doing exactly what you accused anti-whites of doing in your previous post?

  158. Oscar says:

    @ Casey says:
    November 10, 2016 at 6:49 am

    “Why don’t you go sit on the other side of the room with the leftists who declare that ‘All Men Rape’.”

    Probably because I’m not a Leftist.

    “And just for fun, could you tell us which Investment Bank that you work for?”

    Sure. I work for JPGoldMerrylMorganCitiDeutscheWellsMitsui. Was that fun enough?

  159. Casey says:

    Trump’s election victory was one of pure rebellion against the status quo.

    When Barack Obama came to power in 2008, he did so on a platform of Hope and Change. Once in office, it became one of broken promises and deceit.

    Obama did nothing to turn over the status quo, or prosecute those responsible for the 2008 meltdown. In this regard, he was a massive letdown to the American people.

    Obama could have marched down to Eric Holder’s office and demanded legal charges be pursued against the Big Banks. He did not.

    In 2008, the USA had much hope for REAL CHANGE. It didn’t occur, and the people have only felt an ongoing financial battering during that time. Courtesy of many things, including Obamacare.

    In 2016, the USA will settle for anyone who is an anti-establishment candidate.
    And so it goes, and that’s how Trump is now President Elect.

    Here’s hoping he can do some good……..but I rather suspect he is merely the shortcut catalyst to ‘Chaos before Order’.

  160. Avrahmarosenblum says:

    It will be a long trek back to sanity.

  161. Novaseeker says:

    It was really that

    1 — men turned out in droves, especially white men, and especially more downmarket white men

    2 — women didn’t overwhelmingly vote for Hillary, even educated women (she won them, but only by 6%, which isn’t an abnormal margin, and represents an epic fail state for the Hillary campaign)

    3 — black turnout was way down from 08 and 12 (Dems seem to have forgotten that this record level turnout in those years was due to their nominee being, um, black)

    4 — latino surge wasn’t as much as they expected

    5 — young vote wasn’t as high, and wasn’t as democratic as in either of 08 or 12.

    So the electorate was more white (less minorities showed up, mostly due to dropoff in black turnout from historically high levels for Obama), more male and women didn’t break for Hillary very much at all, really (as compared with normal female voting differences between D and R). Basically she couldn’t replicate what Obama did because she’s not Obama and doesn’t have his base.

  162. Dalrock says:

    @Novaseeker

    2 — women didn’t overwhelmingly vote for Hillary, even educated women (she won them, but only by 6%, which isn’t an abnormal margin, and represents an epic fail state for the Hillary campaign)

    A few weeks back someone posted a quote from Scott Adams to the effect that a positive impact of Hillary being elected would be that women could take responsibility for what happened next. At the time it struck me as a clever attempt to dissuade women from voting for Hillary, because the last thing women want is responsibility for their choices. It is much better to goad a man into action and retain plausible deniability. I doubt many women actually saw that quote, but I strongly suspect large numbers came to the same conclusion. If women voted as a block to get another woman elected, they would have a much harder time blaming men when Hillary inevitably failed.

  163. Novaseeker,
    “If women voted as a block to get another woman elected, they would have a much harder time blaming men when Hillary inevitably failed.”

    You’re making the assumption that logic and evidence would play a significant role in the actions of feminists and leftists (but I repeat myself). No matter how Hillary would have performed, and I’m convinced that any right thinking person knows that she would have failed miserably, the ever present cry of “sexism” and “misogyny” would have been their rationalization and her disaster of a presidency would have been blamed on those nefarious and specter-like boogie men.

  164. Novaseeker,
    Sorry – I incorrectly attributed that quote to you instead of Dalrock.

  165. Oscar says:

    @ Novaseeker says:
    November 10, 2016 at 10:09 am

    “Basically she couldn’t replicate what Obama did because she’s not Obama and doesn’t have his base.”

    She doesn’t have Obama’s charisma. People voted for Obama because they felt he was “cool”. The same was true of Bill Clinton playing the sax on the Arsenio Hall Show. The media went all in for Hillary Clinton and they STILL failed to carry her across the finish line ahead of Trump. If the Democrats had nominated a more charismatic candidate, they probably would’ve succeeded. But, apparently, it was Lady MacBeth’s “turn”. Who decides whose “turn” it is? I have no idea.

    Despite Trump’s many flaws, he’s probably the only candidate who could’ve survived the media onslaught. No other candidate had the ability to connect so naturally with the blue collar voters that pushed Trump over the top. I find that fascinating about him. It’s extremely rare for a wealthy man to connect so naturally with blue collar men, much less a billionaire. I realize that his work in construction helps in that respect, but there are plenty of wealthy real estate developers who don’t have that talent.

  166. feeriker says:

    In 2016, the USA will settle for anyone who is an anti-establishment candidate.
    And so it goes, and that’s how Trump is now President Elect.

    Here’s hoping he can do some good……..but I rather suspect he is merely the shortcut catalyst to ‘Chaos before Order’.

    I strongly suspect that the electorate is done with tolerating candidates who lie their way into office. While no reasonable person expects Trump (or any other candidate, for that matter) to accomplish ALL –or maybe even a majority– of his campaign promises, all indications are that if Trump reneges on his platform, tears off a mask, and reveals himself to be just another Establishment tool, there is going to be all-out civil war.

  167. Opus says:

    The Mail opened with a photo of Mr Trump and the headline Trumpquake – they at least obviously like him. By this afternoon The Standard had a picture of the riots with the headline Backlash – I don’t recall hordes of upset Republicans burning the Stars and Stripes in 08 or 12 – why doesn’t your President use his moral authority to put a stop to this childlike whimpering?

    I seem to recall, vaguely, that once, during the campaign, it was being suggested that even if he does not read what may loosely be called the Alt-Right blogs Mr Trump is much aware of them and clearly Mrs Clinton – and surely extempore – when searching for a word came to put down the Alt-Right landed on Deplorables. Remarkable that something which does not really exist has no leader or ideology and is certainly neither the Republican party or indeed any party or candidate in the election should have been in her line of fire for what is the Alt-right but a collection of very loosely if at all linked blogs on a wide range of subjects, blogs that before the arrival of the internet did not and could not have existed. They are the modern equivalent of the Eighteenth-century coffee-house and the proprietors of the blogs are the equivalent of the that same century’s pamphleteers; and is it not interesting to note that both Roissy and Roosh (as well as Krauser) have morphed from pick-up gurus to political-philosophers – modern day Thomas Payne’s. Mr Trump – surely a man who could give master classes in the art of seduction was debated in The Parliament as to his suitability to be allowed to visit these shores yet Roosh too exercised the rhetoric and ire of female members of the main House for half-an-hour as to whether he might shag them – sorry – too be allowed to enter the country. Is this not remarkable?

    One might have thought that experienced career politicians like former Prime Minister David Cameron and the present Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson would sufficiently have their finger on the pulse to grasp that if Mr Trump needed insulting then perhaps his chance of prevailing in the election were not as low as they had assumed: Now, Mr Johnson at least is going to have to swallow double-helpings of Humble Pie and I hope it makes him choke. Cameron was of course no better over Brexit and had equally insulted all the Ukip supporters (as fruitcakes, loonies and closet-racists) which can only have speeded up his being cast into political darkness – good riddance. Mrs May – she of the fuck-me boots – had at least the sense to stay quiet and indeed Mr Trump’s victory can only suit her planned Brexiting.

    It would be wishful thinking to suggest that the Alt-right won the election for Mr Trump – most voters presumably have never heard of it or its blogs – but its ideas are clearly beginning to feed through. I thus say: this is first blood to the Deplorables of the Alt-Right. As TFH so rightly said a long while ago (or words to this effect) the Alt Right have devised a model of how the world works, tested it against reality and found a remarkably close fit.

  168. Novaseeker says:

    I find that fascinating about him. It’s extremely rare for a wealthy man to connect so naturally with blue collar men, much less a billionaire. I realize that his work in construction helps in that respect, but there are plenty of wealthy real estate developers who don’t have that talent.

    It’s his background.

    Trump is from Queens. He didn’t grow up in Manhattan. His family was well-off, but it wasn’t close to the level where he is now, and, being in Queens at the time he was (i.e., back in the 60s-70s), he was surrounded by lots of working class whites. He gets them, and can connect with them, because he grew up right in their midst. This was overlooked by many about Trump. His connection with these folks was not fake, it was because of his own specific background, which is uncommon for a billionaire real estate developer, really.

  169. thedeti says:

    It was the same about Bill Clinton. He had a lot of natural charm and that helped immensely. But Clinton grew up in rural Arkansas. He connected with working class whites (and working class and poor blacks) because he grew up and lived around them . That area of the country has been economically depressed for decades, and is populated by plainspoken, salt of the earth working class and poor people, both white and black.

  170. People forget Clinton’s Charisma and just how incredibly good he was at working a room. (Though he really needed Perot to win both times, but that was more for structural reasons.) Which is also why Hillary’s complete inability to connect with even her own grandchildren always meant she was going to be a terrible candidate.

    To borrow a truism from NFL Football, “games are won Monday to Saturday”. Quite a lot about an election, at the national level, comes down to aspects of the Leader that’s running. Those aspects are normally decades in the making, and, at the end, they can be the subtle difference needed.

    In these parts, we do like to focus on the subtle details that are missed, and I’m a little annoyed at myself that I didn’t see through the “New York Playboy” aspect of Trump’s image sooner. Because we can see the actual actions: Trump has 3 child in their 30s right now. Between them, all 3 are married and there are 7 children already. Ivanka specifically has 2, which is an immense oddity among their socio-economic set. (And she’s only 35.) Though Donald Jr. probably takes the cake with 5 children already and his wife is a former model and he’s 38. (And none are twins.) That’s rarely seen in rural areas these days.

    This isn’t to write a hagiography of the man’s family life, but as with most human communication, it is the things not said that make all of the difference. Donald drinking his Diet Coke while everyone else is getting sloshed on $500 bottles of booze explains a massive amount about the man. (There’s also a funny bit where this makes the 2nd Republican President in a row that doesn’t drink.)

  171. @Opus:

    Clinton gave a speech pretty much because of the Pepe Meme. A candidate for the President of the United States of America gave a speech about a cartoon frog. Never forget the Great Meme War of 2016. o7

  172. I’m still trying to figure out what is up with CA’s returns. Either they’ve not counted something or there was a greater than 30% collapse in turnout. We’ll see.

    But I think the Media environment did actually have a nasty effect on the election, which is why a lot of turnout was down in places. The “Trumpslide” was actually on deck, but the combination of the Media & the GOPe worked well enough to drop the election into a 50/50 one. Trump handled his turnout side of things better. (The RNC actually spent over $150 million building out a turnout/voter information model, which is where the money went rather than Ads. Ads are still useful, but only in certain contexts. Trump won almost every county he had a Rally in.)

    I think the “cost” of the Media environment + GOPe will end up being NH, MN, NV and ME (1 + Total). That’s another 23 EV. So rather than 306, it would have been 329 EV.

  173. Anon says:

    Novaseeker,

    Trump is from Queens. He didn’t grow up in Manhattan. His family was well-off, but it wasn’t close to the level where he is now, and, being in Queens at the time he was (i.e., back in the 60s-70s), he was surrounded by lots of working class whites.

    Yes. His family was wealthy but he still had to interact with the construction crews, deal with the mafia, etc. in his youth. He was not in some $110M Penthouse then. He also had 5 siblings, who are not *that* rich today. But his older sister has been a Federal judge for a long time and perhaps coached him on certain things along the way.

    Plus, I think 14 seasons of The Apprentice gave him (and his kids) invaluable media training for Presidential Press Conferences, Cabinet Meetings, etc. The overlap of skillsets is not low…

  174. Anon says:

    Between them, all 3 are married and there are 7 children already. Ivanka specifically has 2, which is an immense oddity among their socio-economic set.

    Ivanka has 3, so 8 grandchildren total.

  175. Oops, haha. Good point.

    A woman from a Rich Family married to a Rich Man with 3 children by 35? Yeah, Trump lived on another planet compared to his peers.

  176. Anon says:

    Plus, Trump knows how to troll the lefto-femmo-faggots. As the 9th, 10th, etc. grandchild arrives, the family picture with tons of little kids will be sent out, causing millions of triggerings to the people who hate them…

  177. Oscar says:

    @ Looking Glass says:
    November 10, 2016 at 12:51 pm

    “People forget Clinton’s Charisma and just how incredibly good he was at working a room. (Though he really needed Perot to win both times, but that was more for structural reasons.) Which is also why Hillary’s complete inability to connect with even her own grandchildren always meant she was going to be a terrible candidate.”

    That’s a really interesting point. Even with Bill Clinton’s charisma, he still needed Perot to win. Even with Obama’s equally prodigious charisma, he still needed the full power of the media to beat Romney (I doubt anyone would’ve beaten him in 2008). Hillary Clinton, whose voice alone feels like ice picks in the ears, almost won thanks to media assistance.

    That says a lot about the power of the media, but it also tells us a lot about the limits of that power.

  178. Novaseeker says:

    What the heck is going on in MI, AZ and NH? Counting absentee and early voting ballots? For two days?

  179. Lost Patrol says:

    What the heck is going on in MI, AZ and NH? Counting absentee and early voting ballots? For two days?

    I have the same question. Once this is resolved, we can get on with publishing the red/blue USA map. Don’t go by the states version, it is slightly misleading. The one that tells the story of modern day America is broken down by counties. Though not an exact model, it will nevertheless look a lot like a handful of megalopolis zones opposed to practically the entire rest of the country.

    A lesson in how the much maligned electoral college keeps a half dozen or so mega-cities from dictating terms.

  180. @Oscar:

    In 2008, 2 months from the election, the economy imploded. Jesus doing miracles in every battleground State wasn’t winning as a GOP candidate in 2008.

    As for Clinton & Perot, the real issue is that unlike Trump, Perot pretty much freaked out when he realized he could win. Then promptly did the drop-out/re-enter thing. And all but tactically endorsed Clinton. The guy still got 20% of the popular vote. Perot just wasn’t quite prepared like he should have been. That was a really weird election.

    @Novaseeker:

    NH has to recount because of their Senate race, so the final result could still be a while.

    MI & AZ are done deals, there isn’t enough votes left outstanding. But, depending on the location, there’s a lot of absentee & provisional ballots to process. They’ve not been called because they don’t want Trump’s victory to look better during this period. This is, again, pure MSM PsyOps action.

  181. Oscar says:

    @ LG

    Agreed on 2008. As for Perot, you’d think he’d have been better prepared the second time around.

  182. thedeti says:

    NOva, Looking Glass:

    Don’t know what is up in MI and AZ. According to the Associated Press, both states have 100% of the precincts reporting. AZ: Trump leads HRC by 4 points in the popular vote. Even with absentees, there’s no way HRC could make up that deficit. AZ 11 electoral votes should be certified for Trump and in fact some agencies are calling that state for Trump and stating his total EV count at 290 instead of the “official” 279 currently.

    MI is a different story… It’s Trump 47.58% to HRC’s 47.35%. No one wants to call it yet. But it really doesn’t matter. Take AZ 11 EV, MI 16 EV and NH’s 4 EVs and give them all to HRC, that gets her to 259, 11 short of the 270 needed to win.

  183. Well, there’s still 2 the Electors in Washington State that publicly said they weren’t going to vote for HRC. I wonder if they’ll still follow through, haha.

    MI & NH are close on the President, but maybe there’s something else with AZ that isn’t on President they’re dealing with. But, even then, I’m not sure any Sec of State has actually certified the votes yet. That normally would happen next week, in most States. (This was actually what Bush v Gore was about.)

  184. Novaseeker says:

    Yeah she can’t win anyway, but there’s a significant optical difference if Trump actually passes 300, which he would with MI.

  185. Oscar says:

    Just winning MI would be a huge deal for Trump. The last time a Republican president won MI was 1988.

    http://www.270towin.com/states/Michigan

  186. I was having a discussion about Obama’s Foreign Policy. He’ll go down as the worst FP President since Wilson (so 2nd worst of all-time), but there’s a caveat that needs to be kept in mind. During his entire first term, every other country was reading his SoS’s email. And all of her staff. They knew exactly what they were thinking/planning. This was probably worse, in scope, than what we did to the Axis powers with Enigma/Purple code breaking. So I wasn’t really sure how much if it really came down to Obama & his staff or what was due to simply being easily outplayed when people know what you’re thinking.

    It’s day 2 after President-elect Trump and Mexico & Canada have already accepted that NAFTA will be renegotiated & TPP is dead. I think that answers the question. Also, the European Free Trade agreement is dead, even if that one pretty much was already.

  187. Gunner Q says:

    Every new tax measure passed in California. So did marijuana legalization, death penalty repeal and background checks for ammunition. I’m bummed.

    They aren’t even being stupid. They’re parasites and know it and act like it.

  188. Anon says:

    The reason they are not calling AZ and MI is because the lefty media wants the ‘popular vote’ meme plus lack of closure on EVs to get leftists to riot and conduct violence. Leftists still think that violence will overturn this, so the media is aiming to get more mileage out of it.

    Even Wikipedia has attributed MI to Trump, despite the leftist bias of most Wikipedia editors.

  189. Dakota Breeze & Vegas James says:

    its shameful he’s telling blue collar families that the steel industry is going to come back to the usa. its not. its just plain cruel to mislead hopeful poor people that way.

  190. Dakota Breeze & Vegas James says:

    “So did marijuana legalization, death penalty repeal and background checks for ammunition.”

    death penalty costs the american tax payer way more than life in prison. background checks for firearms are already the law everywhere and marijuana is a medicine . you can use it without thc so you won’t get high but it is a medicine. and if people like to kick back with a few puffs or even a glass of vodka to relax, then what? no one has ever died from mary jane whereas the same can’t be said for the other drug, alcohol.

  191. feeriker says:

    Every new tax measure passed in California. So did marijuana legalization, death penalty repeal and background checks for ammunition. I’m bummed.

    They aren’t even being stupid. They’re parasites and know it and act like it.

    Dude, come on now, this is California you’re talking about. Did you seriously expect any other outcome?

    I keep asking my mother, who, now that my father is gone and I and my brother are living in other states, meaning that she is alone there now without family, why she continues to live in that tax-oppressive, Marxist, dystopian hellhole. She has yet to give me a logical reason.

    I have to pose the same question to you and every other self-respecting freedom lover who stays there. The place is obviously hopeless, beyond redemption, and on the verge of collapse. Why not get out while you still can?

  192. Dakota Breeze & Vegas James says:

    Colorado’s making mucho bucks off the weed trade. In 10 years the whole country will. This is the industry that Trump promised is “coming back” – a return to hemp products (used to be huge in the 1800s and certain states were legally bound to grow it.) and medical and recreational marijuana. these will turn our economy around and we’ll be prosperous again. Give it 10 years and you’ll see. its a blessing.

  193. Anonymous Reader says:

    Opus, Lost Patrol: Much summing up in this image.

  194. Anonymous Reader says:

    Deti, Looking Glass, Novaseeker:

    My understanding is that AZ requires more scrutiny of provisional ballots than some other states, they actually try to detect fraud. As a result, the final count will drag on. The margin in AZ is high enough that the provisional ballots won’t change anything, but they will be counted.

  195. Colorado isn’t making anything new on the Weed trade, unless you’re in Drug Testing Services. Then it’s been a major boon to your income. (Much like Obama has been the best gun salesman in human history.) But Weed legalization was a topic that was lost in the 1970s via normalization among the elites, so it was eventually coming. Though the “backers” should be mindful that they exist in a grace period right now. The Nanny State types will, in a decade, be in control over the topic and it’ll be shameful to smoke weed. (Aside from getting you fired from most jobs.)

    @Gunner Q:

    I don’t think Measure 63, at least some provisions, are going to survive in Federal Court. (Also, doesn’t retroactively banning large-capacity magazines qualify as an “ex post facto” law? The court cases over that measure will be interesting.) Though, given the nature of the 9th Circuit, I imagine those will end up at the Supreme Court.

    @AR:

    The Bob Schieffer bit hit and, yes, the MemeLords were having a blast. Somewhere between Pepe, Kek and the 10 Plagues (of which Frogs was one of them), this stuff just got awesome. Someone needs to ask that a Vivarium is put in the White House.

    As for AZ, yeah, I saw that after I brought it up. It’ll be a week but Trump will win pretty cleanly there. Might even increase the %.

  196. mrteebs says:

    Here is a remarkable and refreshingly candid moment of “coming clean” by a member of the mainstream press:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-the-unbearable-smugness-of-the-press-presidential-election-2016/

    It does not escape me that he is a man.

    While his epiphany very likely did not lead him to reject his core ideology, at least there are no hamster wheel justifications being offered.

    In contrast, I cannot imagine a female member of the mainstream press penning a similar piece. They really seem to be incapable of a teachable moment. A perusal of TIME and the NYT, among others, show the predictable doubling-down on “she was rejected due to gender – the ultimate glass ceiling is still firmly in place.”

  197. Anonymous Reader says:

    Anyone wondering how the media and pollsters got the election wrong? Enjoy this little trip down memory lane.

  198. @Oscar:

    GM probably would have lost contracts if they announced that Friday before the election. But Trump still won both states.

  199. Considering how close a few of the States were, there’s an argument for a lot of things “pushing Trump to victory” or however you want to phrase it.

    I wonder if the NFL not putting the screws into Colin Kaepernick didn’t help set a really bad mood for a lot of the Midwest electorate. Considering where most of the Football audience is, there’s a pretty solid overlap to the Trump shift compared to where the viewing audience had dropped. Interesting topic, as it just fend into the issues.

  200. Oscar says:

    @ Looking Glass says:

    “But Trump still won both states.”

    Correct, but the elites thought he was going to lose. GM’s execs probably wanted Clinton to win, so they probably didn’t want to help Trump by announcing the layoffs before the election.

  201. Gunner Q says:

    Dakota Breeze & Vegas James @ November 10, 2016 at 5:30 pm:
    “death penalty costs the american tax payer way more than life in prison.”

    There is no sane reason why 60 years of incarceration is cheaper than a shotgun shell and burn barrel.

    This is an example of how liberals advance their agenda. They tried to repeal the death penalty but the people voted it down repeatedly. So, they crashed the system Alinsky-style by filing endless appeals and celebrating every “wrongful” death sentence. (Having a sentence reduced to life imprisonment was counted as an overturned conviction.) People began opposing the death penalty because of cost, casework overload and self-doubt. The only difference between a liberal and a hostage-taking terrorist is cowardice.

    feeriker @ November 10, 2016 at 5:32 pm:
    “Dude, come on now, this is California you’re talking about. Did you seriously expect any other outcome?”

    Sometimes good things happen. Remember Proposition 8? And the new taxes only passed by 55-45 margins at most.

    “I have to pose the same question to you and every other self-respecting freedom lover who stays there. The place is obviously hopeless, beyond redemption, and on the verge of collapse. Why not get out while you still can?”

    And go where? Start a new life in the backwaters of Peru or Vietnam to keep a few years ahead of the Elites? Become a location-independent (homeless) guy peddling second-rate self-published books on Amazon? Subsistence agriculture in the Idaho panhandle? There comes a point in a guy’s life where family and roots become more important than socioeconomic optimization.

    Besides, I did try to leave. Didn’t work out.

  202. Hank Flanders says:

    After seeing the way women have reacted to the election results with their tears and cries of “sexism,” “racism,” “bigotry,” and “hatred” to describe those who voted against their candidate, I’ve seriously been contemplating whether it’s actually even God’s perfect will that women be allowed to vote. I’ve typically always thought that voting is an intrinsic, God-given right no matter one’s gender, but I also now realize that the feminist social conditioning I (we all) have grown up with has likely contributed to my view on that. We know from scripture, though, that women are described as the weaker sex for a reason, which to a certain extent, limits the types of roles they should try to take on. Does helping decide who our governmental leaders should be fit into that category, too? As we’ve seen, women (and many feminized men) want to push for a female president just for the sake of having one. What does that tell us about women’s decision-making abilities?

  203. BillyS says:

    I understand that many (most?) of the arguments made against allowing women the right to vote have come true. I need to dig into that at some point, but it would reinforce the assertion. I think male landowners should likely be the only ones to vote. I would even say just landowners as well if that helped sell it better.

  204. Lost Patrol says:

    @feeriker –

    That one is a winner, winner, chicken dinner!

  205. @BillyS:

    Some of the female Anti-Suffragettes were spot on in their analysis. Granted, a decent understanding of female psychology will explain where it was all going to go.

    But the 19th Amendment Era is the important point. It wasn’t just Women getting the vote, we went from something like 15% of the US population to around 75% was eligible to vote, which is how the “people suddenly found the purse-strings”. The people that pay for insanity at the voting booth are now hostages to the whims of fools.

  206. Dakota Breeze & Vegas James says:

    Gunner, I’m pro death penalty in a few rare cases, like seriel killers and seriel rapists and especially seriel rapists and killers of kids. But most murders are non-premeditated crimes of passion and i think those people can be rehabilitated.

    “Colorado isn’t making anything new on the Weed trade”

    Yes it is. And the other states that are legalizing it will have a major boost in tax revenue as well. This industry is the industry that will “put our people back to work again” and “make america great again”. Of course Big Pharma will find a way to completely take it over which is horrible, I’m sure. But there’s no turning back. Weed will become one of the biggest industries in the US over the next 5-10 years.

    ” But Weed legalization was a topic that was lost in the 1970s via normalization among the elites”

    Meaning?

  207. Dakota Breeze & Vegas James says:

    “I have to pose the same question to you and every other self-respecting freedom lover who stays there.”

    Gunner wants a very useful medicine plant and healthy cooking herb to stay “illegal”. How is that “freedom loving” exactly?

  208. Oscar says:

    Gents,

    The national-level elections were a big win for the Republicans, but nothing compared to their state-level gains.

    25 states now have Republican governors and Republican-majority legislatures.

    https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2016/11/REDAMERICA.jpg&w=1484

    Only 4 states have Democrat governors and Democrat-majority legislatures.

    https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2016/11/BLUEAMERICA.jpg&w=1484

    The Democrats have lost at all levels of government consistently since 2008.

    https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2016/11/Dems_2_Percent.jpg&w=1484

    This is huge.

  209. Anon says:

    Oscar,

    25 states now have Republican governors and Republican-majority legislatures.
    Only 4 states have Democrat governors and Democrat-majority legislatures.

    Yes, but if they are going to be cuckservatives who propagate feminist memes, it means nothing…

  210. Oscar says:

    Anon,

    True. All remains to be seen. My reason for posting is that – if you recall – pretty much the entire media (other than Breitbart, Hannity, etc.) claimed that Trump would not only loose, but drag the entire Republican party down with him. We already knew they were wrong about the national-level elections, now we know they were dead wrong about the state-level elections. The article even alludes to that.

    “Election Day was largely a stalemate between the parties at the state level, but Republicans only needed to pick up one or two chambers and governors’ mansions to make history.

    And they did, despite our predictions otherwise.”

    This election has been a huge gift to those of us who’ve pointed out the mainstream media’s out of touch bias for years, and this gift is still giving.

  211. @Oscar:

    I was actually expecting a Trump win + some down-ballot carnage because I was expecting a higher than normal cross over vote. But I’m starting to become of the opinion that much of the “prowess” of the Democrats is actually just massive voter fraud.

  212. Oscar says:

    Still more fallout at the state level.

    http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/14/the-2016-election-turned-more-state-legi

    “Republicans now control both legislative chambers in 32 states, up from 30 before last week’s election. As recently as 2010, Republicans controlled as few as 14 states.”

    https://d1jn4vzj53eli5.cloudfront.net/mc/eric.boehm%40reason.com/StateLegislativeControl2016.jpg?h=363&w=650

    This is huge, because it takes 33 state legislatures to ratify a Constitutional amendment (Article V of the US Constitution). There’s already a Convention of the States in the works, led by Texas (who else?).

    http://www.conventionofstates.com/

    By calling a Convention of the States, the states can bypass Congress in the Constitutional amendment process. The states already held a mock convention in From 21-23 Sep 2016.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/440506/constitutional-amendments-states-convention

    “The simulated convention passed significant amendment proposals on the following six ideas:

    1. Requiring the states to approve any increase in the national debt
    2. Imposing term limits on Congress (effective retroactively)
    3. Limiting federal overreach by returning the Commerce Clause to its original meaning
    4. Limiting the power of federal regulations by allowing an easy congressional override
    5. Requiring a supermajority to impose federal taxes and repealing the 16th Amendment, which legalized the federal income tax
    6. Giving the states (by a three-fifths vote) the power to abrogate any federal law, regulation, or executive order”

    Depending on which amendments the states ratify, they could reign in and decentralize the federal government’s power.

  213. dakota breeze & vegas james says:

    hillary won the popular vote by 2 million. that means trump lost by 2 million. the electoral college should be dismantled because it makes no sense that a nation can elect someone but it can be overrided by a “college”. Trump was right. The system is rigged and its called “electoral college”.

    1 person 1 vote does not exist in the usa. our votes do not matter.

  214. Lyn87 says:

    db&vj,

    1) The Electoral College exists for a reason. 2) The US is a republic, not a democracy. 3) We have no idea how many votes either candidate got due to rampant voter fraud in the blue states. 4) Most of the people who voted for Hillary shouldn’t have the franchise anyway.

    Personally, I wouldn’t care if the presidency was decided by autistic monkeys flipping coins as long as Hillary is kept away from the levers of power.

  215. feeriker says:

    Depending on which amendments the states ratify, they could reign in and decentralize the federal government’s power.

    That would certainly be a wonderful thing, but you can bet that the Oligarchy would declare all-out war against the states and the people before they would allow that.

    Also, don’t get too excited about the prospect of local autonomy. Tyranny is as alive and well in the 50 state capitols as it is in Rome-on-the-Potomac. Indeed, most of the human refuse inside the Crapitol Beltway started their political careers as mayors, governors, and state legislators, using these offices as stepping stones by which to satisfy their boundless powerlust and inflict themselves upon the entire nation.

  216. Anon says:

    The electoral college does more good than bad. It will not be repealed just because lefto-shitlibs are butthurt.

    For one thing, it ensures that smaller states do not have too little power. Every state has at least three EVs, no matter how few people it has.

    For another thing, it prevents cities from becoming too much more powerful than rural areas.

    It should be kept, and it will be.

    The only reason Hillary ‘won’ the popular vote is due to massive vote-fraud in CA. Other states don’t look at CA as it is not a swing state at the Presidential level, but there were tons of little propositions to increase taxes that all passed in CA only due to vote fraud by Homocrats.

  217. Novaseeker says:

    Read The Federalist Papers. The EC exists precisely to prevent the big states from running roughshod over the small states. That is certainly no LESS needed in 2016 than it was in 1790 — if anything it’s much more needed.

    You never did have one man one vote — it’s a federalist republic, and the constitution is a pact among the states. The Senate is the same deal.

    Anyway, if the Dems are so pissed about the EC, then go ahead and try to amend the Constitution. Only takes 2/3 of both houses, or 2/3 of state legislatures to call for amendments and then 3/4 of the states to ratify. Good luck getting those small states to disenfranchise themselves so that the people living in CA and NY can feel more dominant than they already are.

  218. Anon says:

    Plus, the smaller states are not heavily tilted Republican anyway. If one counts all the states with either 3 or 4 EVs (states were pop per EV is low), the split between R and D is almost even…

    The only people who want the EC gone are lefto-fascists that want their extreme vote fraud in CA to have ripple effects over the entire nation….Which is to say, they don’t actually want democracy at all….

  219. Gunner Q says:

    +1 to everybody’s defense of the Electoral College. Thanks, guys!

    Oscar @ 8:46 am:
    “1. Requiring the states to approve any increase in the national debt”
    Already in effect. Senators represent their home states.

    “2. Imposing term limits on Congress (effective retroactively)”
    This can already be done at the state level.

    “3. Limiting federal overreach by returning the Commerce Clause to its original meaning”
    You can’t force the Feds to obey the law by passing another law. Wrong tool for the job.

    “4. Limiting the power of federal regulations by allowing an easy congressional override”
    Congress can already override federal regulations because it’s the Legislative Branch.

    “5. Requiring a supermajority to impose federal taxes and repealing the 16th Amendment, which legalized the federal income tax”
    The 16th Amendment is illegal, having been passed only by threatening the Southern states with dissolution. Nobody believes that the South, after fighting such a bloody war, would then voluntarily sign a blank check in perpetuity to the victors.

    “6. Giving the states (by a three-fifths vote) the power to abrogate any federal law, regulation, or executive order”
    The States already have authority under 9th & 10th Amendments to disobey any Federal law that violates the Constitution.

    Our problem is not just that the Feds are evil. Our State gov’ts are also evil, every last one, and so long as they’re all in bed together a Constitutional Convention will be only the quickest path to the New World Order.

  220. Lyn87 says:

    Gunner Q speaketh the truth. The only disagreement I have is with #1: “Already in effect. Senators represent their home states.”

    The 17th Amendment scuttled that. Prior to that Senators were appointed by majority vote of state legislatures and represented their states as equal and sovereign political entities (sort of like the European Parliament does now, except with real legislative power and not filled with… well… statist European technocrats). After the 17th Amendment was ratified Senators became elected by popular vote within their states… essentially the Senate ceased representing their states and began representing the people within their states, which just turned the Senate into a less-Democratic version of the House of Representatives (which defeated much of the purpose for which the Senate was created). The founders wanted to divide the power between the states, the people, and the central government by creating the House, the Senate, and the Presidency… the 17th Amendment took the states out of the equation to a great extent and gave both legislative chambers to the people directly. It was a huge mistake, and because of it we’re talking about charging down the very dangerous road of a Constitutional Convention because the Senate can no longer perform the function for which it was created: representing the sovereign states as a check on the power of the Executive Branch and the rest of the Federal Government.

  221. Lost Patrol says:

    After the 17th Amendment was ratified Senators became elected by popular vote within their states… essentially the Senate ceased representing their states and began representing the people within their states, which just turned the Senate into a less-Democratic version of the House of Representatives (which defeated much of the purpose for which the Senate was created).

    This is a good American Civics lesson. I wonder if I learned it and forgot it, or never learned it.

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