Scott is back.

Scott is back with a new blog, American Dad.  As Scott explains:

The basic concept is, as the tag line suggests, “to honor fathers.”

The fatherhood crisis is not going to go away until fathers are honored, for just being fathers. Some of the dads featured are single. Some are raising step children. Some are separated from their own kids because of their ex-wives blowing up their marriages. There are poor ones, middle class ones, etc. The only criterion is “dads who love their kids.”

That may seem like a low bar. But in this culture, the simple of statement “dads should be honored” is countercultural.

Check it out from the link above, or from my blogroll.

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  3. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Off topic — California might remove the statute of limitations for rape allegations: http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-rape-california-statute-of-limitations-cosby-accusers-20160830-snap-story.html

    Used to be a woman must file charges within 10 years of the alleged rape. Now they want to be able to come back and claim rape decades after the alleged incident.

  4. Anon says:

    I don’t want to be OT this early in a thread, but the competition for ‘World’s Stupidest Feminist’ got another strong entry :

    http://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2016/08/31/every-businesses-respond-confronted-sjw-bullies-like-lyft-driver/

    Man, the competition is steep.

    Note the ‘Continent of Hawaii’ statement from the twat, aside from everything else…

  5. Those simple words ‘dads should be honored’ are completely offensive to this feminized culture.

    ‘Dad’ is a synonym for words like ‘mule’, ‘sucker’, ‘ATM’ , or ‘asexual loser’ in this society. Queue the TV laugh track.

  6. Spike says:

    Saw the Blog the other day.
    It’s so strange to hear: “To honor fathers”.
    When it sounds strange, it is counter-cultural. Good luck, Scott. I hope it becomes just as popular as Dalrock.

  7. Has anyone seen a movie in which a wife walked out on her husband and children? I saw a movie the other day about a girl who burgled houses to support her family because Dad skipped town, and it brought this question to mind. I keep hearing that most divorces are initiated by women, though of course there’s no reason for movies to reflect reality.

  8. sipcode says:

    Malachi 4:6 “And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers.”

    So, WHAT TURNED THEIR HEARTS APART?

    Proverbs 14:1 “Every wise woman buildeth her house: but the foolish plucketh it down with her hands.” ‘House’ in Strong’s 1004/1129 = family, children, tablet, temple, inside, build up, etc.
    Women have driven men to the corner of their rooftop [Prov 21:9 brawling women] and into the wilderness [Prov 21:19 contentious / angry women].

    Men abusing women is the SYMPTOM.

    Women abusing men is the ILLNESS.

  9. Gunner Q says:

    This isn’t the way to honor fatherhood. A list of men who haven’t been fully cut out of their kids’ lives is depressing, not encouraging. With no offense to any fathers here, we shouldn’t encourage fatherhood at all in the present situation.

  10. Frank K says:

    “Some of the dads featured are single. Some are raising step children.”

    Only a chump raises step children.

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  12. Scott says:

    Thanks for the pingback. Kind of a new direction.

    For the most part, the comments I have received offline echo most of what is being said here.

    Essentially, “How odd the phrase ‘to honor fathers’ sounds to me. And how odd that it sounds so odd.”

  13. rugby11 says:

    Wonderful

  14. Boxer says:

    Welcome back Scott! You’ve been missed.

    I think the blog is great, and subversive as hell. Those who hate it probably just don’t understand what you’re doing. Keep it up.

    Boxer

  15. feeriker says:

    Only a chump raises step children.

    Not if their mother is a God-honoring widow.

  16. Boxer says:

    feeriker:

    Only a chump raises step children.

    Not if their mother is a God-honoring widow.

    While I would never raise my own kids, much less someone else’s, only a faggot would presume to tell another man what to do or not do. Especially funny to see religious people mouth off this way. Weren’t Moses and Jesus raised by step-father figures in the text?

    Boxer

  17. Lost Patrol says:

    @Scott: Essentially, “How odd the phrase ‘to honor fathers’ sounds to me. And how odd that it sounds so odd.”

    I’ve had American Dad bookmarked since we first heard about it, so I could keep up with new entries. Odd phrase indeed. I don’t watch much TV (antenna), but I’m sure I see it at least briefly every single day; and every single day I am treated to some advertisement, preview, or episode of a bungling and clueless father (if he shows up at all). A woman generally turns up to save the kids, and the ridiculous excuse for a father from himself.

  18. Avraham rosenblum says:

    The Rambam (Maimonides) considered Divine Law [The Ten Commandments and the other of the many commandments in the Law of Moses] to be a step up from Natural Law. In today’s world Divine Law is considered to not have any weight at all.

  19. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    The Real Peterman: Has anyone seen a movie in which a wife walked out on her husband and children?

    I can think of at least one. Not a movie, but a TV episode. It was from the 1997-98 horror anthology series, Ghost Stories. The episode was called “All Night Diner”: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0587848/?ref_=ttep_ep11

    In it, a mother sneaks out in the middle of the night, leaving her husband and kids behind, to run off with her lover. She is attacked by a hitchhiker, who steals her purse and keys.

    Actually, the mother is killed, but doesn’t know it. She ends up in an All Night Diner where people are waiting for a bus. She finally learns that the bus is to Heaven, but she can’t get on the bus because of what she did. Not only did she run off, but the hitchhiker, after killing her, went to her house (getting the address from her stolen purse), then robbed and killed her family.

    The mother is now stuck working at the All Night Diner, a sort of limbo, forever barred from getting on the bus for Heaven.

  20. Siobhan says:

    This site is a gift to the reader. I honor these fathers, and am humbled in their presence, and offer respect and admiration.

  21. feeriker says:

    Has anyone seen a movie in which a wife walked out on her husband and children?

    This one, from a few decades back. Seems to have sort of dropped down the memory hole:

    http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0079417/

  22. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    There’s also a 2009 horror film, Tell Tale: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1135095/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

    The mother walks out because their daughter has a horrible birth defect, and the mother can’t handle it. The father stands by his daughter, raising her as a single dad.

  23. Feminist Hater says:

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    While I would never raise my own kids, much less someone else’s, only a faggot would presume to tell another man what to do or not do. Especially funny to see religious people mouth off this way. Weren’t Moses and Jesus raised by step-father figures in the text?

    While I agree with you considering step children a man chose to raise himself, like Joseph, or adopted, like Moses. There is a difference between that and having to raise a child where the wife cheated. The one gives choice, even God recognised that, and the other is a slap in the face not just to the man himself but to his whole genetic legacy of his ancestors.

  24. Tarl says:

    Gather the idea is not to “honor” dads by telling them to do more and more to make women haaaaaaappy? =)

  25. Scott says:

    Tarl-

    That’s correct. The idea here is that father is a position of honor, as the scripture tells us.

    I am not concerned with specific dads failings or whatever. Mothers currently receive such enormous accolades and God-like untouchability as to be silly.

    To “honor” simply means acknowledging what God has instructed us to.

  26. Boxer says:

    Dear Feminist Hater:

    While I agree with you considering step children a man chose to raise himself, like Joseph, or adopted, like Moses. There is a difference between that and having to raise a child where the wife cheated. The one gives choice, even God recognised that, and the other is a slap in the face not just to the man himself but to his whole genetic legacy of his ancestors.

    Believe me, I understand your sentiments. It’s foreign to me, too. I try and remember the primal unwritten rule of our own patriarchal society, which existed until just a short time ago, historically. Many men in 1950s America were faced with this sort of situation, and they made their own choices and lived with them, secure in the knowledge that society would support them either way. A man who is married to a ho’, and who chooses to raise the children she bears, is their father. Insulting such a man wasn’t tolerated back in the old days. That’s what we need to get back to. The father’s place in a healthy society is pretty much untouchable. He has control over his house and who comes into it.

    Best,

    Boxer

  27. Joe says:

    In answer to The Real Peterman’s question: Because of Winn Dixie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpsE_7oLdAU

  28. feeriker says:

    Insulting such a man wasn’t tolerated back in the old days. That’s what we need to get back to. The father’s place in a healthy society is pretty much untouchable. He has control over his house and who comes into it.

    Indeed. Alas, the only way I see fatherhood ever being restored to its rightful place of honor and respect in the western world is through a catastrophic civilzational reset, one during which most of the current population perishes. The remnant will be much more receptive to this idea than the majority currently cursing us with its presence, most of them being beyond salvageability.

  29. CEO Nikolic says:

    *waving my hand dismissively*

    Celebrate? Honor? Are those the words I’m hearing?

    This society only celebrates anything to do with money. Wasn’t it an American President just before the disaster of the Great Depression who said “the business of America is business”? Of course — and as the business suits were learning to fly out of their 33rd-floor windows, and as the soup kitchens filled up with shuffling men, the country learned a lesson or two it soon forgot in the flush of new prosperity after the War.

    On my website (hover over my name with a mouse and press click to go to) I have an article about the fall of Communism. That was a society which put politics before economics, and so failed; and America is a society that puts economics before society, and so economics succeeds — and the humanity of it all fails.

    Well. *stretching out my legs and crossing my feet* Looks like it’ll take a nuclear disaster before America changes course. I see fireballs blossoming all up and down the East Coast, and the survivors in Florida and Washington State refashioning the country into a more community-oriented afterimage of a once Mammon-obsessed society.

    That’d be nice.

  30. greyghost says:

    Somebody is think of us Check out the comments

  31. greyghost says:

    wrong video this is the one

  32. thedeti says:

    Feeriker:

    You remembered Kramer v. Kramer.

    Don’t forget Days of Wine and Roses (SPOILER ALERT), where the young wife (Lee Remick) stays in her drunkenness and leaves her husband (Jack Lemmon) and young 5 year old daughter.

  33. Neguy says:

    Thanks for the link, Dalrock. Here’s a hot off the presses instant classic from Glenn Stanton:

    https://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2016/08/why-man-and-woman-are-not-equal

  34. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    A college athletic dept’s cartoon mascot is too aggressive for fragile college students: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/26/herky-the-hawks-grimace-too-aggressive-for-fragile/

    A University of Iowa professor is asking the athletics department to make the university’s mascot, Herky the Hawk, display friendlier facial expressions, arguing that his angry grimace is traumatizing students.

    “I believe incoming students should be met with welcoming, nurturing, calm, accepting and happy messages,” Resmiye Oral, a clinical professor of pediatrics, wrote Tuesday in an email to athletic department officials, obtained by the Iowa City Press-Citizen.

    “And our campus community is doing a great job in that regard when it comes to words. However, Herky’s angry, to say the least, faces conveying an invitation to aggressivity and even violence are not compatible with the verbal messages that we try to convey to and instill in our students and campus community,” she argued.

    Ms. Oral told the Press-Citizen that she has been concerned for some time about Herky the Hawk’s lack of emotional diversity. …

  35. freebird says:

    I’ve got the matches if you’ve got the gasoline.
    The media is against fathers.
    Nothing but rape hysteria filler on the nightly news,words like disgusting and vomitus are lacking in descriptive severity.
    I and other men simply cannot function in a culture of presumed guilt.
    Matches anyone?

  36. @ Neguy

    Yep, Glenn Stanton has closed the comments section after 6 days. These “Christian” sweet boys don’t have what it takes to defend their heresies with righteous vigor.

  37. greenlander says:

    @Dalrock:

    Wholly off-topic, but I thought you might like this article. There are some great statistics that align with your interests.
    https://spottedtoad.wordpress.com/2016/08/24/say-you-dont-need-no-diamond-ring/

  38. DrTorch says:

    Don’t want to be so OT, but I’m very heavy-hearted this morning over last nite’s visit to son’s new school.

    We’ve homeschooled son until this year, and I felt he needed to get away from so much time w/ mother. So, chose local Christian school w/ good academic reputation, “classic education” approach and headmaster’s writing espouses philosophy akin to my own(and what drove us to homeschool to begin with).

    But, things changed shortly after applying. Despite having male headmaster, almost all other administrators are women (maybe all other administrators, I haven’t seen other male administrator yet). First encounter was woman wouldn’t let us enroll son in lower grade b/c he’s physically small and we thought it good idea for him to catch up a bit w/o stigma of being held back. She explicitly said she didn’t understand that as an issue (seriously? and she’s in a career dealing w/ childhood development) and that we needed to submit to her authority as we would to other church authority. Really? So now she has a role of church headship over me?

    Last nite was open house. I was stunned that so many of son’s teachers were women. And of course, both principals of the upper school were women. It was clear that despite having a “strong” headmaster (aka AMOG) the rest of the school is flooded w/ estrogen. All teachers gave saccharine, rehearsed pitch of how they “loved our children and were blessed to be teaching them”. Nice, but cloying after the 3rd or 4th time of hearing same thing. Then there was the content.

    8th grade English class will read ‘Cry the Beloved Country’ b/c dealing w/ themes of “racism” and “justice” are important. Uh, important to whom? Just that fact that this is in the curriculum tips the hand of some of the aims of this group.

    Biggest concern:
    Physical science teacher told us she specifically does NOT use electronic portal for a few handouts “to teach responsibility.” Maybe I can buy that, but we have tools for a reason. Of much greater concern, if you lose handout (and boys do this more than girls) she wants them to learn “humility” as they have to come to her and ask for replacement handout (and get grade docked). So these 8th grade boys will learn “Christian humility” by genuflecting to a woman and asking her for their assignment.

    I’m disgusted by this approach, and that any male would let it happen. Humility is obviously important in Christianity, but there are many other ways to teach it to boys. My son wrestles, and it’s very humiliating to be physically dominated by your opponent. Plenty of humility there, learning to be a gracious winner and loser. There are many other ways too to teach this to boys/young men, no need at all for another woman to put men in their place.

  39. Boxer says:

    Dear Dr. Torch:

    Kids in the 8th grade (12-14) are pretty good at deconstructing social narratives. I taught that age myself, when I was starting out. I wouldn’t worry about all the wimminz at his school, provided you have regular debriefings with him. You don’t have to be crass when dispensing realtalk. Just casually point out some of the most obvious examples of feminism and smirk at it with him. If you do this correctly, he’ll feel like you trust him, and he’ll have a point of trust in you, himself.

    The ability to swim in this hostile sea is a sad but necessary skill if we’re to survive in this world. This sounds like an excellent place to get an education. He’ll learn to see reality behind the façade, and he’ll learn to keep his mouth shut. Both essential skills when you’re a guerrilla behind enemy lines (as we all are, unfortunately).

    Best,

    Boxer

  40. DrTorch says:

    Boxer,

    Thanks for the encouragement. Agree w/ all you wrote. I do have regular red-pill talks w/ him already, hope to build on those.

    Keeping mouth shut- totally agree that this is vital skill. Unfortunately, he takes after me w/ passion about some things, so I believe there will be some hard lessons to learn in this regard.

  41. feeriker says:

    DrTorch says:
    September 2, 2016 at 10:26 am

    My grandson started the 8th Grade in a new (for him) Christian school this year that has both a male headmaster AND several male teachers – a rarity for ANY school these days, Christian or state-run (the Christian school he had attended for the last five years became both too feminized AND too academically retrograde). I recognize, however, that this is an aberration, that the field of primary and secondary education, Christian or no, has become an estrogen sphere, for many different reasons.. Ideally, a partial solution to this problem would be to encourage retired male professionals with solid backgrounds in the “three Rs” and related subjects (the sciences, history, etc.) to take teaching positions at least part time. The more male exposure that boys have in school, the better for all concerned.

  42. Cane Caldo says:

    @Boxer & Dr. Torch

    He’ll learn to see reality behind the façade, and he’ll learn to keep his mouth shut.

    I strongly disagree. What he is being taught is to keep his mouth shut in the face of female disapproval. In time, this will come to mean keeping his mouth shut in the face of female disapproval buttressed by male retaliation.

    Dr. Torch, in what way is it better for a son to be harped on by a gaggle of female bureaucrats rather than taught by his mother? If he needs male influence: Put him with males; with yourself, with sports teams, etc.

    Kids in the 8th grade (12-14) are pretty good at deconstructing social narratives.

    I think this is wrong, too. “Subject your children to perverse social narratives so that they can demonstrate deconstruction” is a terrible idea.

    And Cry the Beloved Country was shit.

  43. Boxer says:

    Cane:

    Your comment is long on condemnation, with zero practical alternatives. Am I to understand you endorse shielding young men from the realities of the world? Or are you suggesting to raise a generation of unemployable boys, full of hostility, who will be channeled into prison/mental hospital?

    Boxer

  44. Feminist Hater says:

    When I was in Prep school, age range around 9 to 13, I remember that the first few years were all female teachers. However, this would change when we reached about 11. And further to that, the female teachers worked well with their male counterparts, creating an environment of respect for those male teachers by encouraging in the boys a need to look up to those men and not disappoint them. I was lucky enough to go to an all boys Christian school when they still instituted corporal punishment and were serious about instilling a bit of fear and respect in the boys towards the male teachers who in the end had to deal with a bunch of youngsters who would otherwise run roughshod over the female teachers. As said before, this was reenforced by the female teachers.

    Nowadays that working together of male and female teachers to create healthy young men has been discarded by trying to turn boys into girls and the highly feminine education system which doesn’t promote male leadership or male teachers.

  45. Cane Caldo says:

    @Boxer

    Your comment is long on condemnation, with zero practical alternatives.

    The practical alternatives would be what I wrote: To return education to the home, and introduce male mentorship and camaraderie apart from a school. Two is not zero.

    Am I to understand you endorse shielding young men from the realities of the world?

    First bad pedagogy was “social narratives” which you said were worthy of deconstruction. Now it is “the realities of the world”. Whose side are you on? Do you know?

    Or are you suggesting to raise a generation of unemployable boys, full of hostility, who will be channeled into prison/mental hospital?

    False dichotomy For The Lose.

  46. Boxer says:

    Dear Cane:

    The practical alternatives would be what I wrote: To return education to the home, and introduce male mentorship and camaraderie apart from a school. Two is not zero.

    This is a good example of perfect vs. good. You do realize that not every father has the resources to attain your ideal, yes?

    False dichotomy For The Lose.

    That’s probably true (at least I was speaking hyperbolically). I snipped your poisoning of the well, and I won’t trouble you again, since it’s clear you’re not interested in a civil debate.

    To answer Cane’s question, for people who might actually be interested in my motivations: I’m on the side of fatherhood in a world that’s hostile to it. I manage to make decent money and have a lot of fun by keeping my mouth shut, resisting the status quo with whatever means are expedient at the moment. Deconstructing the narratives that are shoved down our throats is just a fancy way of saying I pay attention. I aspire to be “woke” (to use a phrase from the kids).

    Idealists like Cane are welcome to label me their enemy. I don’t care and don’t desire their support, under any circumstances. I’m on my own side, and any young man who is coming up in this world had better think of himself first. Otherwise he’s on the way to being used and tossed aside.

    Boxer

  47. Cane Caldo says:

    @Boxer

    This is a good example of perfect vs. good. You do realize that not every father has the resources to attain your ideal, yes?

    A father who can afford private school–as in this case–can afford karate and baseball and various other activities in lieu of private school. So again you have created a false dichotomy because there are other choices besides “Private Schools with Perverse Social Narratives” and “Nothing”. It is you who have made enemies of the good and the perfect; not me. It is good if a family can homeschool; not perfect.

    That’s probably true (at least I was speaking hyperbolically). I snipped your poisoning of the well

    You admit that you poisoned the well of the conversation with a false dichotomy, and now you accuse me of poisoning the well by calling out the poison. Pure projection.

    I’m on the side of fatherhood in a world that’s hostile to it. I manage to make decent money and have a lot of fun by keeping my mouth shut, resisting the status quo with whatever means are expedient at the moment.

    I am unconvinced. You are not married. You have no children. You worked or work silently in the employ of those who push the social narratives. So you are subversive. I am weary of subversion.

    Deconstructing the narratives that are shoved down our throats is just a fancy way of saying I pay attention.

    More subversion. Deconstruction IS the narrative. It is my observation that whoever beings to deconstruct can never stop until he has deconstructed everything and he becomes wholly agnostic, if not atheistic. Isn’t that your story?

    I’m on my own side, and any young man who is coming up in this world had better think of himself first.

    But Christ said: “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”

    And any father worth his salt will tell you that he puts his children before himself. You would know this if you were on our side. I’m not an idealist. I just refuse to build on foreign foundations.

  48. Boxer says:

    Dear Cane:

    …you are subversive. I am weary of subversion…You would know this if you were on our side.

    I don’t fight anti-feminists (including you). It’s counterproductive. If I can’t work with someone, I work separately toward the same goal. And, again, I support a father making his own choices as to his children, their lives and their education, without passing my insolent judgment on it. That goes for both you and Dr. Torch, and everyone else here.

    Best,

    Boxer

  49. DrTorch says:

    Cane,
    Dr. Torch, in what way is it better for a son to be harped on by a gaggle of female bureaucrats rather than taught by his mother It isn’t. However, he needs more time around peers than he was getting. Also, he has two male teachers and I was expecting more from a “classical education” school. He visited the school and really liked the logic class (male teacher) among others so he was keen to go.

    Put him with males; with yourself, with sports teams, etc. You mean like a wrestling team? Maybe I could be his coach for 5 years :O

    Cry the Beloved Country was shit. Yes. I’m pretty sure it still is.

  50. Cane Caldo says:

    @DrTorch

    I can sympathize. Homeschooling alone isn’t the answer, and private schools don’t have to be bad…though there are more considerations around homeschooling than just the child’s needs.

    It sounds to me like your gut is warning you. Would the school allow you to enroll just for the Logic class?

    You mean like a wrestling team? Maybe I could be his coach for 5 years :O

    Understood. Maybe there can be more of that. Also, team sports have a different dynamic and encourage different traits.

  51. Boxer says:

    Dear Dr. Torch:

    He visited the school and really liked the logic class (male teacher) among others so he was keen to go.

    That’s a particularly good age to learn basic symbolic/predicate logic and critical thinking. Kids at that stage are naturally curious as to how the world works. The subject also fits well with algebra (which he’s probably learning alongside it).

    Many public school districts in North America don’t teach logic any longer, which does students a real disservice. They end up at community college, where it’s almost always a required course. By that time they already think they know the way the world works, and many consider it a very difficult class.

    Best,

    Boxer

  52. BillyS says:

    I would argue that anyone who doesn’t homeschool their child today really hates their child, no matter how seemingly good the school is (or is assumed to be).

    Modern education has a huge number of flaws and the ones talked about here are just the tip of them.

    I realize this would not be popular and many think they could not homeschool their children, but that is simply not true in almost every case. Even a single working parent could do it with some additional effort.

    ====

    I would not go into primary education in any way as a male today. Far too much risk. I am personally likely to be stopping my secondary education work as well as I find it to be like beating my head against a wall too often, but those are “adult learners” and a different problem.

  53. Anon says:

    Boxer,

    Many public school districts in North America don’t teach logic any longer, which does students a real disservice.

    It is politically impossible to teach a subject in which female students will underperform males by a catastrophically huge margin.

    This is also why IQ is an amazingly poor metric. IQ tests have to be made in such a way that the female average is never lower than the male average. Yet, just about all innovation (not merely 100%, mind you, but about 120% once you account for pervasive female obstruction of innovation) is by men, and not always the highest IQ men.

    So yes, the educational system has long since excised subjects where women are likely to greatly underperform, hence reducing the value of formal educational systems.

  54. Anon says:

    I should add that female inferiority in logic relative to males only starts at sexual maturity. Hence, among 10 year olds, boys and girls may very well be equal. But after age 14 onwards, males go forward but female psychological caliber actually goes backwards in certain metrics.

  55. Boxer says:

    Dear Anon:

    I should add that female inferiority in logic relative to males only starts at sexual maturity. Hence, among 10 year olds, boys and girls may very well be equal. But after age 14 onwards, males go forward but female psychological caliber actually goes backwards in certain metrics.

    The girls I see who seem to do well in pure math skew toward being either big dykes, or being plain janes. Aside from the neurological differences (which I don’t question), the attractive girls might also have a social incentive toward not putting in the long hours required to memorize techniques of integration, truth tables, and modal axioms. They have dates to go on and parties to go to, ya know.

    As I get older, I’m more and more convinced that this is healthy and should not be discouraged. Hot young women should be striving to lock down a good earner, and should be training to marry and raise healthy children. Not only is it more akin to most female’s personal inclinations, it’s also objectively easier and more fun.

    Best,

    Boxer

  56. Spike says:

    Off topic Dalrock, but it looks like feminists will double down on stupidity even when governments tell them that their countries are dying:

    https://www.rt.com/news/358087-fertility-day-italy-feminist/

    Italy is going down, and feminists will yell to the heavens: “How dare the government tell us to have babies!”

  57. greyghost says:

    Spike
    Women are not and never have been a place to depend on for the survival of any society and civilization. Japan is trying to increase birth rates with the foolish notion that incentives tailored for women will be effective. Italian women will have babies just not with Italian when the migrants finish destroying Europe and set up sharia law they will mother children for those men simply for their own survival and will like being mothers.

  58. Dave II says:

    Indirectly on topic, this article clarifies why we need to honour fathers:

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2016/08/new-german-law-wants-force-mothers-reveal-their-child-s-biological-father.

    Basically this feminist is ok with a father figuratively and literally labouring his life away to provide for and raise a child believing it to be his, but how dare he want reassurance of this? It’s a violation of the woman’s right to privacy!

    Hear that? She’s implying that a woman’s right to keep mum about who she slept with one time is of more value than a man’s time, energy, money and dreams he may have had for his own children. He should work 8 hours a day plus lose time in the commute plus endure much stress and discomfort plus spend thousands of dollars over 18 – 25 years and give up his dreams for his own children to give them instead to the child of the woman’s inifdelity, because she has a right not to mention the name of the man she cheated on him with just that one time. One irresponsible night in a woman’s life is worth a childhood-length of a man’s lifetime and work.

    Really?

    It’s clear what this is really about. AF/BB is the only hope promiscuous women have of being a relatively well-off mother, so this must be protected.

  59. Spike says:

    greyghost says:
    September 2, 2016 at 9:34 pm
    Spike
    “Women are not and never have been a place to depend on for the survival of any society and civilization. Japan is trying to increase birth rates with the foolish notion that incentives tailored for women will be effective. Italian women will have babies just not with Italian when the migrants finish destroying Europe and set up sharia law they will mother children for those men simply for their own survival and will like being mothers”.

    Agreed, greyghost. What is outrageous in the article is that the government realises they have a massive demographic problem – as Denmark did and had tried the same campaign with (slightly)better results – yet women will maintain their selfishness to the end – the end you describe.

  60. Dave says:

    It is just another proof that the people in government don’t have a clue about women’s nature.
    Rather than trying to incentivize women directly, they should simply create competition for them.
    They could make it extremely easy for men to marry from abroad, and incentivize baby making by shifting most benefits to married men with nursing wives.
    Yeah, I know, it won’t fly because of sexism and such.
    Italy is done.

  61. Höllenhund says:

    @Spike

    If you read the article about that Italian media campaign, it becomes obvious why it generated opposition. It reminds women that their fertility is perishable. The hourglass and whatnot. This is a biological reality that simply cuts too close to the bone for most women. They want to block it out of their minds.

  62. Lost Patrol says:

    @Höllenhund

    “This is a biological reality that simply cuts too close to the bone for most women. They want to block it out of their minds.”

    Most women have an aversion to the truth. You can experiment with this – at some risk – it holds up time after time. I believe the hamster was born of this axiom.

  63. CEO Nikolic says:

    Fatherhood sucks bad — for both sons and father — if the father doesn’t have music in his soul, a certain joy of life and enthusiasm to teach.

    My father was a grand ole asshole, but at least he knew how to have fun. For all the times he would run after me in the backyard trying to kick my ass, he would patiently explain the game of chess to me, illustrating how the pieces could relate to real life, with chess tactics being used to win the game of life. He also was a rabid Montreal Canadiens fan, and he taught me that sports, including his beloved soccer, were healthy adjuncts to a sound life.

    Fatherhood is like music. If you want to win over the crowd (read: rambunctious kids), you have to entertain em en masse. We had four kids in my family, 3 girls and 1 boy, and when my father wasn’t screaming “separate! separate!” to us bickering children of his, he was leading by interesting example. One of the most interesting things he did was not take shit from my mother. My father, being an alpha father and potential superalpha, had he not taken the family-man route, would cheat on my mother and satisfy his needs for a decent sex and interpersonal life, showing me — at least — that you ignore the norms of society in pursuit of your own interests, at every opportunity if you can.

    Anyway, on another note — on my website today’s special is a piece entitled “Most influential pop musician ever.” Click up above on my name CEO NIKOLIC to find out who that is, in my analysis.

  64. dadofhomeschoolers says:

    Dr. Torch, Mr. Boxer and Mr. Caldo, may I speak to the homeschooling issue from the other side? As in my homeschooled kids have now graduated and moved on.
    The whole “socialization” canard came straight out of the south end of a north bound male bovine. By the time the boys are 12, they should be learning on their own. My wife aimed, kept track of credits and the paperwork (we live in a homeschool hostile state) and kept on track, but did very little actual “teaching”. She has very high language and organizational skills, which served her very well with finding curriculum and materials that worked for our boys. The digital learner is now an electrical engineer, and the auditory one is learning the music recording/producing business.
    The hardest part, is that it’s unnatural for a post pubescent boy to be under ANY woman’s direction, whether mother, or teacher, and lots of damage WILL be done by forcing that issue. Many times during the highschool homeschooling era I stood for the boys, and basically said “they did nothing wrong, merely didn’t do it your way”, and by God’s blessing, my wife is submissive enough to recognize that I told truth.
    So, TL/DR version, for Dr Torch, is to yank your boys from that cesspit, and find what works for them, yea, you might wind up not doing what you wanted to do for the next few years, coach the wrestling team, coach the bible quiz team, teach a few classes at the CO-OP, find other like minded people, be an intellectual scratching post, let them explore the far reaches of faith, science, language. Take vacations that explore, learn with them, show them that they have a whole life in front of them to learn new things, in other words, BE THEIR FATHER.

    and you know what? When they come back and are MEN, searching and standing for truth, standing up for right, what you wanted to do with those years really doesn’t matter.

    be blessed, and thanks for reading.

    DadofHomeschoolers

  65. Boxer says:

    Dear Dad Of Homeschoolers:

    Dr. Torch, Mr. Boxer and Mr. Caldo

    Please don’t categorize me as in any way similar to “Mr. Caldo,”. Thanks.

    If a father appears in this comment section declaring “I am going to do x…” and I know about x, and I have the time, then I am going to try to give the best possible advice about x, from my perspective. Unlike Mr. Caldo, I don’t presume to have the “one true way” of fatherhood, or education, or whatever. More importantly, I don’t open my fat yap to pass judgment upon that father’s decision as to what to do with his kid, or declare that his decision is “wrong”, or speculate that he doesn’t truly love his child.

    If I ever do this, I will consider it a favor if someone hunts me down in real life and beats my ass (I’ll pay your airfare after the fact).

    may I speak to the homeschooling issue from the other side?

    Your wisdom is valuable.

    I’ve met a number of homeschooled kids who show up in the community college/university system. About half of them are total idiots, and the other half are the brightest, most well-rounded men and women I have ever met. I assume that you’re among the parents of the second cohort (the ones that took the time to actually homeschool, rather than letting their kids run loose while they smoked pot all day).

    You are generally right that the institutionalized school system (public or private) tends to turn out mediocre thinkers. The job of the school is, after all, to mass produce alienated people who will conform to the rules of a paper-shuffling job. The last thing such an apparatus would want to do is to produce people who think for themselves.

    Best,

    Boxer

  66. Avraham rosenblum says:

    I found high school frustrating in that there did not seem to be enough time to do well in each subject. I felt spread too thin.But if home schooling would have helped I am not sure.

  67. dadofhomeschoolers says:

    Boxer, I apologize, it was an attempt at honor. I find useful information and point of view from both you and Caldo, and admittedly, some stuff that gets an eyeroll because it doesn’t fit with my experience and reality of the moment.

    Agreed on the two factions of the homeschool movement, although around here it’s the sheltering parents that have the backwards ones. My wife and I were leaders of the local organization. It gave them the chance at to actually walk in a cap and gown. It fascinated me that I could pretty accurately tell who was going to do well for themselves, and which ones were likely to fall off the wagon.

    Mr. Rosenblum, probably would have helped, in that you can skate on the el toro poo poo stuff, and actually concentrate on things that matter.

    Peace,

    DoHS

  68. mrteebs says:

    But, but, but…

    We can’t honor fathers. And please don’t use the word <heroic. That is exclusively reserved for single moms.

  69. The Jack Russsell Terrorist says:

    There was an iconic photo taken in New Westminster, B.C. in the 40’s where a boy reaches out to take his father’s hand as the soldiers are marching down the street. The boy is now 81 and reflects on that time of his life.
    http://www.pentictonwesternnews.com/news/392088341.html
    The article was titled “Wait for me Daddy” if it has been changed in the link.

  70. greyghost says:

    Honoring of fathers has to be a legal principle. Maybe a multi front tact will be a way to go. The church will not honor fathers until the court and society in general does. Right now pussy rules in church. respect for fathers must be seen as a way to advance culture that involves a selfish interest of the elite ruling class. Right now the female vote reigns supreme. When father run households reduce the violence and the death of ruling elite enforcers (cops) and an increase the the tax base and a raise of over all measurable statistic that show well being of the community for the ruling class to take credit for the status quo of the Child support welfare model will continue.
    Anything that looks to bring any sort praise on men will be seen as an attack on women period. especially after all of the as we know ineffective “gains” women have made with the feminine imperative of the last few decades of misandry.. The church is damn sure against any sort of praise or even acknowledgement of any benefit men bring to anything. Infact as far as the church knows and the liberal and cuckservative i culture included if women were paid fairly men would not be needed at all and that is where they are committed. Breaking that with real unacknowledged results is where it is at. Wicked selfishness and not the appeal to goodness is where this battle must be fought and won.

  71. Spike says:

    Dave says:
    September 3, 2016 at 7:36 am
    “It is just another proof that the people in government don’t have a clue about women’s nature.
    Rather than trying to incentivize women directly, they should simply create competition for them.
    They could make it extremely easy for men to marry from abroad, and incentivize baby making by shifting most benefits to married men with nursing wives.
    Yeah, I know, it won’t fly because of sexism and such.
    Italy is done”.

    The idea of competition works. In Australia, successive census data has shown that exogamy – marriage outside one’s ethnic group – accounts for the majority (56%) of marriages. That part can be done by men easily without government help.
    It’s the second part that gets tricky. The divorce rate is still high among exogamous marriages, because government policy enables it. Dalrock’s phrase “waving cash and prizes” is apt.
    The only way out of it that I can see is to get a Vladimir Putin in to actually lead:

    ..But that would require our leaders to not have hooks in their testicles, led around by FI.

  72. feeriker says:

    It is just another proof that the people in government don’t have a clue about women’s nature.

    Oh, tbey know women’s nature very, VERY well and exploit it to the max in order to destroy the fabric of the family and neutralize the influence of husbands and fathers, patriarchal figures who are the Stae’s biggest competitors for power and influence.

  73. Cane Caldo says:

    For those of you following along at home, here are the judge’s scores for Boxer’s latest act of passive-aggression:

    Unlike Mr. Caldo, I don’t presume to have the “one true way” of fatherhood, or education, or whatever. More importantly, I don’t open my fat yap to pass judgment upon that father’s decision as to what to do with his kid,

    Contained the barest hint of truth, but expressed in the worst possible way. Also a false implication of equality between Mr. Caldo and Boxer whereby something even remotely like an apples-to-apples comparison could be made. In fact Boxer has no experience either fathering or homeschooling; which are the topics of conversation. Mr. Caldo does. No points.

    or declare that his decision is “wrong”,

    Misleading, as the record reflects that Dr. Torch himself expressed strong misgivings about the school. Mr. Caldo encouraged those misgivings. No points.

    or speculate that he doesn’t truly love his child.

    A blatantly false accusation. Points deducted.

    Our color-commentary reporter on the sideline noted that Boxer’s overall strategy is more suited to the women’s league.

  74. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Single Mother locks her small kids in a hot car, while she works out at the gym: http://q13fox.com/2016/08/31/mom-routinely-locked-child-with-autism-infant-in-car-so-she-could-work-out-police/

    This Heroic, Strong, Independent Single Mother also has a “partner,” a man with a different last name. Apparently her boyfriend.

    http://player.ooyala.com/iframe.js#pbid=f9babf3a1fd64fbb82916ce9d76ffcfa&ec=FsY3dtNTE6Fpam9GydJiN4_QkIKN-2q6

    A Pennsylvania mother faces a slew of charges after admitting to leaving her children locked in a car outside the gym on multiple occasions, according to prosecutors….

    Police responding to a 911 call June 29 found two children locked inside a car in the parking lot of Nanticoke Fitness, according to WNEP.

    Police said O’Neill had been running on the treadmill for about 20 minutes when they found her 11-year-old son with Asperger syndrome in the car, along with his 5-month-old baby sister….

    Investigators say they learned O’Neill had left her children unattended in the gym parking lot about a dozen times before, for up to two hours at a time….

    Her partner, Daniel Johnson, is charged with one count of child endangerment because police say that on at least one occasion he also left the children in the car while at the gym.

  75. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    For some reason the embedded video didn’t come out in the above. Hopefully it will work this time:

    http://player.ooyala.com/iframe.js#pbid=f9babf3a1fd64fbb82916ce9d76ffcfa&ec=FsY3dtNTE6Fpam9GydJiN4_QkIKN-2q6

  76. Boxer says:

    Off Topic:

    Pinging Anon (and probably Grey Ghost too)…

    http://www.ilrestodelcarlino.it/cesena/cronaca/cesena-fugge-alla-vigilia-del-matrimonio-1.2479334

    55-year old Italian chick from town of Cesena starts sexing up 20-something Afghan refugee. He proposes. She buys everything (with the proceeds from prior divorce settlement, I assume). Night before the joyous celebration, he disappears, along with the rings and the cash from her purse.

    Couldn’t happen to a nicer broad, amirite?

  77. feeriker says:

    Boxer says:
    September 4, 2016 at 8:03 am

    Let us hope that this (i.e., a variation on the Nigerian Romance scam, something that even anencephalic babies have enough sense to recognize and avoid) reaches epidemic levels across the western world. No, these stupid bitches still won’t learn any lessons from it, but at least we can take comfort in the fact that the robbery of life savings couldn’t be happening to a more deserving bunch.

  78. feeriker says:

    Red Pill Latecomer says:
    September 4, 2016 at 7:02 am

    Odds are overwhelming that she’ll get a slap on the wrist while the boyfriend will get the book thrown at him. The kids won’t be taken away from her either, at least not permanently.

  79. Dave says:

    55-year old Italian chick from town of Cesena starts sexing up 20-something Afghan refugee. He proposes. She buys everything (with the proceeds from prior divorce settlement, I assume). Night before the joyous celebration, he disappears, along with the rings and the cash from her purse.

    Couldn’t happen to a nicer broad, amirite?

    As a Christian I should not be happy at anyone’s misfortunes, but I couldn’t resist saying “serves her right!”

  80. Dave says:

    Odds are overwhelming that she’ll get a slap on the wrist while the boyfriend will get the book thrown at him. The kids won’t be taken away from her either, at least not permanently.

    My thoughts exactly. Never mind that her crimes, quantitatively, are more than 10 times his.

  81. Oscar says:

    Your comic relief for the day:

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/09/02/lena-dunham-fire-imagining-sexist-conversation-odell-beckam-jr/

    Best reaction I’ve read so far:
    Lena Dunham yesterday: “I’m a feminist! Stop objectifying women!”
    Lena Dunham today: “Odell Beckham is a sexist! He didn’t objectify me!”

    But wait; there’s more!

    http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/dylan-gwinn/2016/09/03/slate-odell-beckham-jr-not-interested-lena-dunham-perhaps-gay

    “… Dunham has tapped into a real phenomenon—men who really don’t know what to make of women who don’t sexually interest them—and I, for one, intend to borrow her marshmallow line the next time this happens to me.”

    I’d say indifference is a perfectly legitimate reaction.

  82. feeriker says:

    Lena Dunham yesterday: “I’m a feminist! Stop objectifying women!”
    Lena Dunham today: “Odell Beckham is a sexist! He didn’t objectify me!”

    Feminisn, then, now, and always: “If I wanna be objectified, then you will objectify me when <bI want to be objectified and on <bmy terms, which you’d better figure out on your own. And if you objectify me when I <bdon’t wanna be objectified, at least not by YOU, then you’re a filthy, abusive, rapey, misogynist pig and I’ll make your life living hell! And just ’cause I wanna be objectified one moment doesn’t mean I’ll wanna be the next. Got it, you male pig asshole?!”

  83. greyghost says:

    Boxer
    A 55 year old woman is OLD. Sounds bad to say but nobody younger than 50 even thinks of romancing a 55 year old as a wife. At that age it is about money or a house, something more than her. A guy will hit it to get over a dry spell but romance and marriage commitment,”get real honey” Fifty five is too old to be getting a divorce.
    For you hard core christian types. When people mess up (sin) it is spoken of doom coming to those types. It is ok and a good thing to let the doom happen. Look where we are the church today is white knighting behavior that should be I told you so.
    A good response to this woman would be “you had a husband that committed himself to you. Isn’t that where the money this new stud took came from? Looks like you will be spending your final years alone or with somebody not nearly as committed and concerned personally about you as the man you used the state to fleece on your behalf.” Those are some kind pussy pulling words there. “Had me a hundred euros and I’ll be your friend for a week and talk like that to you.”

  84. greyghost says:

    Oscar
    That Dunham is not very attractive at all. Even if she wasn’t fat her attitude would be a one night stand hit and quit it any way. She is in misery because the only guy that will take her is a man she could never fell proud of because she knows how ugly she is through and through.
    The only reason she is acting the way she is is for attention and the exchange she would never get. Odell Beckham would look twice at that chick ever. She must think having strangers that can say her name when seeing a photo of her makes her in his league. An attractive woman taking orders at a cash register at a fast food joint has a better shot at smile and a hello than Dunham does.

  85. Yet Another Commenter, Yet Another Comment ("Yac-Yac") says:

    @ Oscar [September 4, 2016 at 12:51 pm]:

    Hamster Principle #07:

    “There is no expedient to which a woman will not go, to avoid concluding that some given man simply finds her unattractive, and that’s all.”

  86. Anon says:

    Boxer.

    Night before the joyous celebration, he disappears, along with the rings and the cash from her purse.

    Yep. This time it was small amounts, but as we saw earlier, these middle-aged woman are quite prone to losing six-and-seven digit amounts (i.e. everything they had. The amount got capped only because they ran out of money).

    It is fascinating to see the costs of ‘feminism’ transferring back to women. Normally, fraud is a very evil crime, but given that it is so much easier to scam an individual than a married couple (and more so an individual woman), this will keep happening again and again to women who are ‘done’ with men after age 55 (and after collecting cash and prizes).

  87. Anon says:

    Feeriker,

    Let us hope that this (i.e., a variation on the Nigerian Romance scam, something that even anencephalic babies have enough sense to recognize and avoid) reaches epidemic levels across the western world. No, these stupid bitches still won’t learn any lessons from it, but at least we can take comfort in the fact that the robbery of life savings couldn’t be happening to a more deserving bunch.

    Yes. This is quite poetic justice. Even better if the woman swindles a mangina and THEN is herself swindled by a Nigerian. That is a superb cleansing of the sordid cess-pool of ‘feminism’.

    Western harpies will successfully achieve the impossible : Lift Africa out of poverty.

  88. Jason says:

    In 1963…..the Alfred Hitchcock masterpiece “The Birds” the scene is right before birds attack the children’s birthday party, on the dune above the house on Bodega Bay……..the main characters talk briefly of family…..Miss Daniels says “My mother? She left, and walked out on all of us, and to this day…I, I don’t know where she is”

    Contrasted to Mitch’s mother who was always there, but a bit stern, and stoic

  89. Thank you.
    I have bookmarked the American Dad website and will visit it frequently.

    I don’t know why. Maybe I’m alone in this, but I just felt a wave of immense sadness wash over me just looking at these photos.

    A question mark wells up in me. Why in the world has it come to this?
    That fathers and husbands, who often sacrifice everything in life, would be regarded with the least respect, the greatest disdain, and unmitigated mistrust and ridicule?

    It’s fucking heartbreaking.

  90. feeriker says:

    I don’t know why. Maybe I’m alone in this, but I just felt a wave of immense sadness wash over me just looking at these photos.

    No, you’re not alone. There are at least two of us who feel this way.

    A question mark wells up in me. Why in the world has it come to this?
    That fathers and husbands, who often sacrifice everything in life, would be regarded with the least respect, the greatest disdain, and unmitigated mistrust and ridicule?

    A partial answer is that the western world has become godless, shallow, lazy, and self-indulgent. It has forgotten who is responsible for its prosperity and success. The good news is that a much-needed correction to the status quo in the form of a collapse is coming very soon, much sooner than anyone thinks. When that happens a renaissance of respect for masculinity and fatherhood will occur. It will probably be too late, though; most men by that time will have been so thoroughly shafted by the system as to be in “let-the-motherfucker-burn!” mode and probably won’t be inclined to want to rebuild or reassume the mantle of Saviour of Western Civilization (humans being generally incapable of learning anything from history).

  91. MarcusD says:

    @Boxer

    rather than letting their kids run loose while they smoked pot all day

    Thankfully the term “unschooling” has become popular enough that people will typically use it instead “homeschooling”.

  92. Opus says:

    Unschooling sounds a bit like undead – education zombies.

    I have a new theory, which posits that the only true Americans are people who do not prefix their alleged nationality with that of another nation; thus terms like Italian American or Irish American cannot denote a true American, and what are we to make of Native American? – yet you never hear the term English American, and so I propose that the only true Americans are in fact English, the terms English and American thus being interchangable. If I am right, a true American is someone like Christopher Hitchens or John Derbyshire – or Cary Grant or Gary Cooper. Amongst the women there is Mrs Trump senior and (((Elizabeth Taylor))) – who is surely despite her beauty one of the worst actresses ever to grace the screen – she played Cleopatra as if the script had been written by Tennessee Williams which is how she played everything.

    I think it is probably time for me to stop.

  93. BillyS says:

    Unschooling means different things to different people. The basic idea I took out of it was that you let children focus more on interest than some rigid structure of what must be learned in a given narrow window.

    The term “relaxed homeschooling” was appropriate to some when my wife and I were involved with that and it better impacted our environment.

    Boxer,

    Our children would more likely be the latter group because of their own motivations. We tried to push an interest, but they rejected much of it due to outside motivations. My children ended up better than they would have had we not adopted and homeschooled them, but they fell far short of where they could have been. One even has the temerity to assert she did it all herself, since she dumped all her hate onto us.

    My point of the ramble is to not just blame the parents in all cases of children not really learning.

  94. Gunner Q says:

    constrainedlocus @ September 5, 2016 at 3:46 pm:
    “A question mark wells up in me. Why in the world has it come to this?”

    Perhaps because of how fathers have treated their kids over the last 70 years? Raising girls to be men, selling sons into economic slavery? The Churchians didn’t make them do that. There’s one church in my area that reportedly had the last old-school Bible-thumping pastor, but he was forced out by his own congregation for intolerance and literal-mindedness.

    “That fathers and husbands, who often sacrifice everything in life, would be regarded with the least respect, the greatest disdain, and unmitigated mistrust and ridicule?”

    Two words: helicopter parents. I’ve seen fathers who orient their entire lives around their kids and it’s as unfortunate a fate as Baby Booming them.

    Kids should be like cars: important, valuable, but nobody goes to Heaven because he restored a Mustang GT.

  95. Kevin says:

    Germany law: It’s a bad idea but much easier is a subversive law which simply says for tax purposes we need to know if a child is really yours so all children get paternity testing. Making it about the man or women makes it too political – sidestep the issue. It stays about the man because they are the ones who get chuckholded but as policy the DNA of the baby and willing “father” are much easier than trying to make women confess to sexual adventures.

    Fertility
    In European countries the fertility will return when the incentives or women change. But otherwise all the white “modern” countries are going to be depopulated. Education efforts are reasonable – to remind women their fantasy is not reality. But I don’t expect any reversal without huge society changes. Women just don’t want to have children.

    Homeschooling
    The dueling responses between two very bright commentators is fun. We have homeschooled but my wife lacks the disciplin to maintain it and my career does not allow for it so we send them into the pit of vipers. We did homeschool one child for a few years and it was ok.

    We participated in a homeschooling group and the variation between parents is amazing – some teach their children nothing and some are getting an elite prep school education. The socialization thing is a myth- most the data shows they are better adjusted which probably reflects more involved and adjusted parents and less the impact of school.

    Modern school for boys is a miserable experience. Little recess. Too much wasted time. If online options get easier we may switch the older kids to that so they can learn at their own pace. But we have a high variation in IQ among our children and some could do it but some could not.

    I wish we could do something different. The amount of political stuff/ garbage they are teach is unbeleivable.

  96. Joe says:

    Who is Scott and where is Dalrock? Haven’t seen a full-length post on this blog in a month. Has feminism been defeated and I missed it?

  97. Gunner Q says:

    “…where is Dalrock? Haven’t seen a full-length post on this blog in a month.”

    It’s peak holiday season in America. Everybody’s busy and/or away from home.

  98. Boxer says:

    Who is Scott

    He’s an orthodox christian, critical theorist, cultural subversive, husband, father and all-round good guy. Go visit his blog and nominate a deserving subject if you have the time.

  99. Boxer says:

    Dear Billy S:

    Our children would more likely be the latter group because of their own motivations. We tried to push an interest, but they rejected much of it due to outside motivations. My children ended up better than they would have had we not adopted and homeschooled them, but they fell far short of where they could have been. One even has the temerity to assert she did it all herself, since she dumped all her hate onto us.

    My point of the ramble is to not just blame the parents in all cases of children not really learning.

    It’s a fair riposte. Obviously I wasn’t talking about you, and there’s certainly enough blame to go around for the state of the average chucklehead who shows up in remedial algebra. In the end, it’s the responsibility of the adult subject to get himself situated, regardless of the goings-on in his childhood.

    Even so, what I refer to is a population that does exist. The countercultural types who decide to homeschool while RVing or squatting in the woods, in an effort to “stick it to the man,” end up turning out some very handicapped adults. I think most of them may have started out with good intentions, but they were just too wrapped up in their hippie shit (or white supremacist shit) to stay current on lessons.

    Having homeschool groups is awesome. Some American states (Washington is one) have laws on the books that force school districts to accommodate home-school kids who want to show up just for one subject, or to get on the local sports teams.

    Best,

    Boxer

  100. Oscar says:

    We home schooled for several years, and it worked well for us at first, but as our family grew my wife got overwhelmed (she just had our 9th), so we placed our older kids in private Christian schools.

    The first private school in which we enrolled our kids belongs to a very old fashioned Baptist church. It’s not the most academically rigorous, but they place a lot of emphasis on solid Biblical teaching and moral character. We moved to a new state for work, so we had to leave that school (our kids were devastated), but I found a classical Christian school that I really like.

    We haven’t had any of the problems that DrTorch described (thank God). The headmaster is male, most of the grammar school teachers are female, but most of the Jr high and high school teachers are male. The school is very academically rigorous. They require Latin. Greek is an elective. My oldest son read Beowulf over the summer and is currently reading the Iliad. The Odyssey is next. Kids start learning logic in Jr High, then rhetoric in High School. On top of that, the higher grade classes get paired up with a lower grade class starting in 6th, so, for example, my 6th grade daughter’s class is paired up with my 1st grade son’s class. The older kids get a grammar school buddy that they read with once a week.

    The Jr High and High school classes are divided into “houses” (Dante, Milton, Homer and Virgil) that compete with each other. My hyper-competitive oldest boy is thriving there.

    It’s a great school. Even though they awarded us financial aid, we’re still struggling to keep up with tuition, but it’s worth it.

    If we have to go back to home schooling (another move, or can’t afford tuition anymore), we’ll probably go with Freedom Project Academy and join a local co-op.

    https://www.fpeusa.org/

  101. SirHamster says:

    Our color-commentary reporter on the sideline noted that Boxer’s overall strategy is more suited to the women’s league.

    Odd. I distinctly recall being lectured by Boxer on the masculine way of commenting.

  102. jamesd127 says:

    Off topic:

    I did an analysis of your data on falling marriage rates. http://blog.jim.com/culture/a-white-womans-chance-of-getting-married/

    Bottom line: From 2004 to 2007, women over thirty suffered a huge fall in their prospects if getting married.

    This suggests that to 2001, the rising proportion of unmarrieds was driven by women delaying marriage, from 2007, the rising proportion of unmarrieds was driven by women left on the shelf, was driven by never-will-be-marrieds, who are unable to get off the cock carousel until they gracelessly transition to cat ladies.

    Would love you to throw me a link.

  103. Boxer says:

    Odd. I distinctly recall being lectured by Boxer on the masculine way of commenting.

    lol – stay mad, cuck

  104. SirHamster says:

    lol – stay mad, cuck

    lulz.

  105. Opus says:

    @jamesd127

    I was most intrigued by your analysis at your own blog of Dalrock’s data – the take away for me being that women in their thirties have only a twenty per cent chance of marrying. I often wonder however whether the Androsphere projects its own desires and frustrations when it assumes that women in their thirties wish to marry; perhaps they don’t. No woman in her thirties ever claims to want to marry, in fact quite the reverse and so perhaps we ought to take their marital reticence at face value.

    What is certainly the case is that the longer women remain unmarried the greater the pool of potential wives from which a man might select a spouse. Marriage as Caesar said is for the young.

  106. Scott says:

    “He’s an orthodox christian, critical theorist, cultural subversive, husband, father and all-round good guy.”

    I’m totally putting that in my signature block.

  107. Hmm says:

    Actually, Scott, that would be Orthodox, right?

  108. Scott says:

    Yes, “Orthodox Christian” to be precise. I don’t think he meant anything by it, since it appears to be a compliment.

  109. Boxer says:

    Yes, “Orthodox Christian” to be precise. I don’t think he meant anything by it, since it appears to be a compliment.

    Sorry mate. I remember one of our old conversations, but don’t remember which nationality you specified (Serbian? Russian?). I also cop to being totally ignorant as to the specific meaningful difference between one of the national varieties and any other, aside from the obvious language stuff.

    I’m still pondering the mysteries of the Church of Rome, but will eventually get east, if only for a visit. Cheers man.

  110. Scott says:

    Boxer-

    The best way to understand the existence of the different ethnic labels applied to the various Orthodox autocephalous churches is this.

    The Orthodox Church recognizes the right of nations and ethnicities to exist and to celebrate Christ within those cultural contexts.

    Therefore, they do not differ from one another doctrinally or theologically. But they do in language, culture, food, history, etc.

    My family is Serbian, but we are in communion with the rest of Orthodoxy.

  111. Oscar says:

    Wow, that sounds like actual, real multiculturalism, as opposed to feel-good crap that wears that label these days.

  112. Ilíon says:

    Scott:That’s correct. The idea here is that father is a position of honor, as the scripture tells us.
    I am not concerned with specific dads failings or whatever.

    If you wish to honor fatherhood, shouldn’t you stop using the word ‘dad’ (and ‘mom’)? The childish words ‘dad’ and ‘mom’ are the very words used to denigrate real fatherhood and real motherhood.

  113. BubbaCluck says:

    My dad was a great father. Looking back I should have listened to him more than I did.

  114. Yet Another Commenter, Yet Another Comment ("Yac-Yac") says:
  115. Scott says:

    Lion-

    It’s interesting. I had never really thought of “dad” as dishonoring or pejorative in that way. Just a less formal version.

    But I also have not studied the origins of its use either.

  116. PuffyJacket says:

    Great point, Opus.

    As proof of your thesis, check out the ‘Are Women Done With Men After Age 55?’ thread, and note the calm, articulate and rational way such women are truly driving this point home.

    A skeptic might point out that women appear to proclaim their “disinterest” in marriage loudest just as their SMV plummets. But I, like you, am 100% willing to take their words at face value, as we all should.

  117. Anonymous says:

    Off-topic, but this just in: “Eat, Pray, Love” bint Elizabeth Gilbert has broken-up with her latin “love of her life” Felipe she “frivorced” her husband for and become a lesbian. No kidding.
    http://www.latimes.com/books/jacketcopy/la-et-jc-elizabeth-gilbert-20160907-snap-story.html

  118. Avraham rosenblum says:

    My Dad was an amazing man and father and husband. I wish I could follow in his foot steps in every way. That is all I have to add to this blog. The reason why in the 1990’s the crusade against fathers came out in full force is a mystery to me.

  119. Swanny River says:

    Completely off topic, does anyone know about a study book called Better by Jen Wilkens? My church is using it this fall for all the women to study together. Wilkens writes at The Gospel Coalition blog so I’m wary.

    [D: I’m not familliar with it, but have written several posts regarding Wilkin.]

  120. Hawk&Rock says:

    “Eat, Pray, Love” bint Elizabeth Gilbert has broken-up with her latin “love of her life” Felipe she “frivorced” her husband for and become a lesbian. No kidding.
    http://www.latimes.com/books/jacketcopy/la-et-jc-elizabeth-gilbert-20160907-snap-story.html

    Haha. It’s clear that this woman simply has too much love to give. It can’t be confined to one man or woman. And when her latest relationship ends tragically, she’ll have even more love to give some other woman (not to mention a compelling book with movie rights options).

    Sure, every person she comes in contact with gets used and discarded but she is clearly one of the most joyful, peaceful, spiritually enlightened women to ever bless our planet. I can’t wait for the next book and movie).

  121. Cane Caldo says:

    @Ilion

    The childish words ‘dad’ and ‘mom’ are the very words used to denigrate real fatherhood and real motherhood.

    I strongly disagree. Dad is intimate, and so revilers abuse it because it is intimate in an attempt to hurt. But that intimacy and weakness is a strength because pain provokes a response which is visceral and full of love and fury. Making fun of dads–or making fun of love for a dad–is a good way to get beat; at least around me.

  122. Novaseeker says:

    Liz Gilbert is shameless but clever. This move comes just in time both to capitalize on the existing pro-LGBTQ mood in the culture, and also anticipates one of the next trends: women opting to go lesbian because “there are no god men”.

  123. feeriker says:

    This move comes just in time both to capitalize on the existing pro-LGBTQ mood in the culture, and also anticipates one of the next trends: women opting to go lesbian because “there are no god men”.

    Methinketh that thy fat finger speaketh a Freudian truth! 🙂

  124. enrique says:

    I can just see her saying to her dying female companion, “I love you…as a supporting character in my next mostly-made-up novel….”

    https://www.yahoo.com/gma/eat-pray-love-author-elizabeth-gilbert-reveals-shes-140538848–abc-news-sex.html

  125. Swanny River says:

    Thank you for the links! I don have a home computer, and my phone search on your site didn’t turn anything up. My wife doesn’t want anything to do with church so she won’t be part of this women’s focus, but I wanted to know so I could get a better measure of my church. It’s University Reformed, pastored by Kevin DeYoung. We are really governed by elders so I only mention his name because it’s well known, not because I blame him for the book the women chose. I’ll ask around about the decision path for choosing the book. Freaking women will be busy studying Jen Wilkins and we can’t find a babysitter from my church. There is one, and only 22 or so, but she is really big and wears such tight pants that I don’t trust her to provide the kind of play and energy my boy responds to. Families are isolated and need help, even simple help like mine, so what good is all this godliness they are getting in year after year of passive sitting and reading?
    ,I didn’t want to search the book itself because I figured all the reviews will be blue pill christian slobbering.

  126. MarcusD says:

    Sugar Daddies and Student loans: The rise of soft prostitution
    View story at Medium.com

  127. Dave says:

    Sugar Daddies and Student loans: The rise of soft prostitution
    View story at Medium.com

    Is there anything soft about prostitution?

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