Not like the movies.

Huffington Post Divorce warns its readers that dating after divorce tends to be a letdown in The 11 Worst Pick Up Lines Divorcés Have Ever Heard:

Thinking of jumping back into the dating scene? Prepare yourself for some godawful pickup lines. (For some reason, the older you get, the worse the lines become.)

All of them are brutal reminders (in one way or another) that the divorced woman’s status in the dating world has dropped, but some are more brutal than others.

’I only date divorcées — you’re all so grateful.’

Ouch.  This guy wasn’t alone in seeing divorcées as desperate/easy:

…my estranged husbands’ friends offering their support in private: ‘Hey, if you ever need to talk…’

Several others communicated that they see divorced women as good for sex, but not for anything serious:

I guess now that you’ve crossed marriage off of your bucket list you can just relax and let a guy show you a good time?

and

Are you still married? If you are, we can still keep it on the down-low.

Even worse was the man who didn’t even take the divorcée seriously for sex:

…a guy on Tinder who started the conversation with, ‘You have a nice head’ then he followed with ‘we should get drinks.’ I ran into him on another date and he saw me and said, ‘Hey! We matched on Tinder! You’re the wellness blogger with a nice head!’ Then he actually patted me on the head.

The article does include one “bad line” received by a man after divorce.  Actually it wasn’t a bad line at all, but a case of the divorced man not expecting an attractive woman to proposition him for no strings sex:

A lovely women I knew walked into a bar I was at. We chatted for a bit and when I told her I was recently divorced, she slid off her stool, came over and gave me a very sensual hug. She looked me in the eyes and said, ‘What you need is a pure and simple rebound. A woman to just take you home and press her body into yours and ask for nothing but pure physical love.’ I don’t think that’s a bad pickup line but back then, as a freshly divorced man, I didn’t get it. I looked deep in her eyes and said, ‘You’re right — I wonder how I am going to meet someone like that?’ She waited for a few moments to see if I was joking. When she saw I wasn’t and truly had no clue, she gently extracted herself from the mess I was. It was only two days later that I realized what she was suggesting.

See Also:  Women’s morphing need for male investment.

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59 Responses to Not like the movies.

  1. greginaurora says:

    The Red Pill, and Game, should be natural for all divorced men. Only the willfully obtuse could ignore how high value they’ve become, and how low value all the same-age women are.

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  3. These lines really work:

    1. “Divorced?? OMG what the hell happened!?”
    2. “You’re divorced? WTF is wrong you?”
    3. “How much are you clearing each month in child support and alimony?”
    4. “Man, you look really tired.”
    5. “Hey, you really need to calm down.”
    6. “Are you sure you want dessert?”
    7. “Alright. Must be shark week.”
    8. “I don’t believe you. That’s not what happened.” After any of her long, protracted, unnecessarily detailed, run-on-sentence-laced stories.
    9. “Yeah, sure, we should just hang out sometime”.
    10. “Good God, what is that stink?”
    11. “What is that? That! There’s something in your hair. I don’t know. It’s white. Awww Jeezus!”

  4. Feminist Hater says:

    Don’t worry, after the divorce and all the men using her and giving her the cold shoulder, she can repent to her ex-husband and he must love her like Christ loves the Church and take her back. All is well guys, no need to worry!

  5. mmaier2112 says:

    “It was only two days later that I realized what she was suggesting.”

    That could have been me in the past. I like to think I am not quite so dim these days.

  6. After reading the account of the last man, I’m sorry to learn that Lloyd Christmas is divorced.

  7. Anonymous Reader says:

    I for one am shocked by this article.
    One would expect that hunky handymen who are really secret millionaires to have better lines than these, surely?
    Shocking. Truly shocking. And disappointing. Yes, shocking and disapppointing at the same time.

  8. enrique says:

    Last week I posted the news that….well, let me just use this:

    “On the morning of Friday, July 1, Elizabeth Gilbert, author of the beloved memoir Eat, Pray, Love, announced that she was going through a separation.” [http://www.elle.com/life-love/sex-relationships/a37619/elizabeth-gilbert-separation/]

    “Do you know where YOU were, when you heard the news that beloved author Elizabeth Gilbert had separated? ” People will be heard saying, 20 years later…and 15 years after the publishing of her sure-to-come book, “Eat, Pray, Love yourself…a memoir of love, divorce and self-redemption”.

    Mark my words, Gilbert will milk this thing a bit longer with a new book deal and an attempt to get another movie (Think Bridget Jones, but more fictionalized, LOL). With any luck, her Ex will wind up doing something interesting, so they can recruit another Hispanic model to play him hanging around on a beach or something.

    ….

    In the meantime, Gilbert may need to get her A/C fixed….

    http://nypost.com/2016/07/07/women-are-using-tinder-to-con-men-into-doing-chores/

    ” “I’ve tried speed dating and all the dating apps, but every time I put my real age, all I get are idiots and losers,” Bloom, a publicist, tells The Post. “I figured, why not make them useful and have them help me around the house?”

    So that afternoon, she swiped right on a 40-something bachelor. His default photo featured him wearing overalls and holding a hammer. “I wasn’t attracted to him, but he was very forthcoming,” she says. She messaged him, saying she was only looking for someone to come over to install her air conditioner, making it very clear it wasn’t a date.

    After he came over, opened her window and set up her AC, she said thank you — and promptly kicked him out. He later messaged her to go on a proper date, but she never replied and doesn’t regret it. ”

    Sometimes I think these folks that write these articles are actively trolling , while pretending to “you GO gyrlll!” they are signaling to the male readers what’s really going on.

  9. Boxer says:

    she can repent to her ex-husband and he must love her like Christ loves the Church and take her back. All is well guys, no need to worry!

    I wouldn’t believe such stuff was possible, in the whole scope of human relations, were I not a regular reader of this blog and its comments.

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  11. Anon says:

    enrique,

    ” “I’ve tried speed dating and all the dating apps, but every time I put my real age, all I get are idiots and losers,” Bloom, a publicist, tells The Post. “I figured, why not make them useful and have them help me around the house?”

    Lest you think these used-up sluts are getting away with appropriating the labor of any male who is something better than a mangina, think again :

    Long list of older women who lost 6 and 7-digit sums to Nigerian romance scams.

    To lose a few hundred bucks is one thing. To lose the entirety of one’s ill-gotten cash and prizes (a 6 or 7-digit amount) is quite another. It shows how desperate these women are, that they can be scammed by a Nigerian who only communicates with them via email, that too with bad grammar. This happens often enough that we can see how these women are very easy marks.

  12. Anon says:

    After he came over, opened her window and set up her AC, she said thank you — and promptly kicked him out. He later messaged her to go on a proper date, but she never replied and doesn’t regret it.

    Again, while the woman is a selfish user, the man got what he deserved by being this much of a blue-pill whiteknight in 2016. This is why ALL the gains are being accrued by red-pill men/men with Game.

  13. enrique says:

    Yes, agreed, it’s like the “journalists” that write all these articles are trolling the public and women aren’t onto it. (nor are the betas, but they never will be).

  14. seventiesjason says:

    A woman (single mom) I pursed years ago in my church who did politely turn me down with the “I just don’t feel a connection, you’re sweet but I don’t have those feelings for you” line

    We have been polite to each other in church since then. I left her alone. Phone rings yesterday….don’t know the number…..it’s her! She wants to drop by on the way to church this Sunday so I can de-frag / de-louse and fix “her stupid computer” she added the gravy about how “nice” I am and that she enjoyed my testimony a month ago

    Man…..part of me just wanted to say “sure, come on by” and I almost did…..

    I just smiled into the phone, and said “Oh sister, it’s really not a good idea. I don’t have single women over to my home unless she is accompanied and I really don’t have the time. I can suggest a good repair shop to take it to.”

    My statements were true, I would not have a single woman over at my place (my reputation in Christ comes first and foremost, it is important) and I did know a decent shop. I thanked her for calling, told her that I would see her in church on Sunday, politely ended the conversation……….and felt okay. As I ended the call……..I could FEEL the dejection from her. It was strange. It was like I dumped her right before the prom. I didn’t do it for getting even…I did it for my own sanity around women in church and upholding, and guarding my own heart. If she was my gf……a totally different situation…but she is not. She is just a lady in the church that I know.

  15. Spike says:

    Jenny Erikson, Elizabeth Gilbert – the names change, the story never does. Each and every divorcee is empowered, has evolved, become more spiritual….and leaves a trail of human wreckage behind her that men spot very quickly but our heroine seems oblivious to. They then wonder why they meet a man who will say something like , “Marriage? No. But if you’re willing to have sex on weekends, that would be fine”.

  16. greyghost says:

    I’m proud of you seventiesjason she was going to just use you as a tool. And you said no. Outstanding

  17. Avraham rosenblum says:

    Women tend to imagine they have not changed but remain the same attractive 17 year old girls.

  18. feeriker says:

    My favorite line is “I guess this is where I’m supposed to use some kind of ‘pick-up line,’ but I’m just too lazy and not in the mood. Besides, I can smell your desperation from across the room, so why should I bother? Your place or mine?”

  19. feeriker says:

    As I ended the call……..I could FEEL the dejection from her. It was strange. It was like I dumped her right before the prom

    Just be glad that she didn’t go whining to your pastor about how “uncharitable” or “unChristlike[TM] you were being. As a member of a privileged and protected churchian class (single mother), the wrath of St. Manginas would’ve come down hard upon you.

  20. Anon says:

    seventiesjason,

    You did the right thing, and this action took you a HUGE step closer towards getting younger, hotter women. A man who can genuinely turn down women below what he would ideally like suddenly radiates an aura of confidence and abundance that women higher in the rankings find irresistible.

    Now, if you really wanted to be a skilled player, you can use this first woman as a ‘pivot’, which is to string her along while using her to meet other women. This takes skill, but is otherwise a productive use of such a woman to create an amplifier effect on your broader game. Throw her the occasional bone, but only after she has retrieved a lot of other women for you.

  21. They Call Me Tom says:

    Avraham rosenblum says:
    “Women tend to imagine they have not changed but remain the same attractive 17 year old girls.”

    That is the truth.

    Of course, women who marry young and stay devoted to their husband, they always will be the same attractive young woman in their husbands memory.

    Single women who put off marriage are not so fortunate, if they ever do marry, their husbands will never have memory of those women’s peak attractiveness, as they’ve never seen it.

  22. Dalrock, stay safe tonight. Get your gun, sleep with one eye open, take care of yourself and your family sir. Prayers tonight for the law enforcement and the people of Dallas.

  23. Avraham rosenblum says:

    The comments here are amazing, especially that fellow Jason. Also Tom has some insights which I find very instructive and certainly resonate with what I have seen.

  24. Feminist Hater says:

    After he came over, opened her window and set up her AC, she said thank you — and promptly kicked him out. He later messaged her to go on a proper date, but she never replied and doesn’t regret it.

    And that is when you send the call out and installation or repair bill. She will be calling you a damn side quicker that way. These men are simply stupid..

  25. Hmmm says:

    “Women tend to imagine they have not changed but remain the same attractive 17 year old girls.”

    I am not so sure about this. When I have been around 40-something women that seem this way, I can often see the desperation and denial in their faces. Once in awhile the years peel away for a bit, and I get a glimpse of the beauty she was in her youth, but they always come crashing in again.

    To be fair, this can be true of men, too. I’m an older guy (though “well preserved”) on the outside, but twenty-five in my head. In almost anything but music, that is.

  26. Pandero says:

    Wow, flashbacks from reading this post. Divorced about 18 years ago in early 30’s. I wish I knew about all this SMP ideas back then. In conversations with the then “wife” she actually said to me she was looking for the Bigger Better Deal. I know now that means hypergamy. At the time I heard this we were 90% out of the relationship, so I wasn’t mad. It got me thinking about the same idea when looking for a new girlfriend. I starting meeting younger, leaner, and more educated women. Eventually I ended up re-marrying a woman that was younger, leaner, and who made more money. My ex-wife, who was mid-30’s, 250 lbs, and had an over-rated sense of her beauty and breast firmness started dating again too, but with lessor men. She never re-married. Fortunately she never gave me kids, because she wouldn’t bother to lose the fat that impeded fertility, so I have no strings to her at all. With the ex-wife I was a totally blue-pill chump that bought into the feminist message. Looking back, her wanting the better bigger deal, was the best deal for me!

  27. pavetack says:

    So instead of “Eat, Pray, Love”, men see Divorcées as “Meet, Play, Leave”?

  28. feeriker says:

    And that is when you send the call out and installation or repair bill. She will be calling you a damn side quicker that way. These men are simply stupid..

    Yep. The next time some leechette asks you to come over and play Harry Handyman, you call the electrician/plumber/IT technician/appliance repairman/whomever and set an appointment for them to show up on her front doorstep at an appropriate time when you know she’s home. Her reaction when they show up should be priceless. Yours should be “well, I’m not qualified or experienced in that area, so I set you up with someone who is, whose rates are reasonable, and who accepts credit cards (being certain you don’t have any cash on hand). So how did they work out?”

  29. Hawk&Rock says:

    From the Post article: “. “I know no single woman in NYC who would ever do a man’s chores,” Kinrys says. “It feels like the 1960s.”

    But of course you don’t, dear….

    Hahaha. Blue city spinsters are pretty much completely worthless. When the fake economy blows up, these women will be in dire straights.

  30. Dalrock says:

    @IBB

    Dalrock, stay safe tonight. Get your gun, sleep with one eye open, take care of yourself and your family sir. Prayers tonight for the law enforcement and the people of Dallas.

    Thanks. We aren’t in any danger. My prayers are for the police as well.

  31. Oscar says:

    @ Hawk&Rock says:
    July 8, 2016 at 8:05 am

    “From the Post article: ‘I know no single woman in NYC who would ever do a man’s chores’”

    I know some lesbians who do. That’s about it.

  32. Avraham rosenblum says:

    To Hmmm: Right about that comment that men also are not that aware of aging. But with men their social lack of status is usually brought home to them in the most unpleasant possible ways while women are shielded from this reality.

  33. Durasim says:

    She looked me in the eyes and said, ‘What you need is a pure and simple rebound. A woman to just take you home and press her body into yours and ask for nothing but pure physical love.’

    He says that he knew this woman prior to her making this proposition. Maybe she has a second occupation? If he had accepted the offer, would she have told him that the “pure and simple rebound” was going to cost $500?

  34. Thanks. We aren’t in any danger. My prayers are for the police as well.

    Good. I want to lead a PLM movement, “police lives matter.”

  35. Anonymous Reader says:

    Of course, women who marry young and stay devoted to their husband, they always will be the same attractive young woman in their husbands memory.

    This is known as “husband goggles”. It’s like “beer goggles” but much longer lasting, more reliable, better for all concerned.

  36. seventiesjason says:

    feeriker…..

    I am expecting a bit of a cold shoulder from her on Sunday……..but who knows? As I grow stronger in who I am in Christ, and the people I am called to serve……….I am not going to let fellow Believers, or the secular world “steal / pervert / twist / or guilt MY joy, and salvation in Christ because I am guy and I am supposed to fix things and be nice”

    Like I said, I didn’t do this for revenge or the cynical attitude of “oh, she can’t date me, but expects me to do thing for her just because”

    I did and said what I said because this was the proper thing to do in a social situation concerning women that I see and associate within my church. If she was my girlfriend on a path to marriage……a totally different matter. If she brought the computer to a pot-luck meal / fellowship and asked me there…perhaps a different outcome may have happened…..but to my home to drop it off? No way. A situation like that could be used against me in the future.

    It took a very long time for me to learn to use the word “no” to people (inside and outside my Christian walk), especially women. In college, as a younger man…..I would say yes to women when they asked me to do things, and I was still dateless because evidently I was too “nice” (whatever that word means). My life is half over. I have work to do. I have a life to live by and for Christ, and my time now means a lot to me. A true walk in Christ by a woman would get my time….the rest of the lukewarm lot…I pray for, am polite to…..but my time in the vineyard in these matters is reserved only for the woman who actually respects, watches and learns from the pruner / and wants to be with him. If I stand the rest of my days alone, so be it.

  37. >I am expecting a bit of a cold shoulder from her on Sunday

    Telling a woman “no” inevitably activates the tingles so it is probably best you give her the cold shoulder. Best guess? She walks up to you apologetic, bubbly or reserved but feminine, followed by some light Kino. If you called her on this behavior the next day she would deny it with a full conviction and have no idea what you are talking about. One the other hand…

    You can easily and immediately escalate her kino, then take her hand and lead her out of the church. Try to make sure none of the ladies notices what you are doing so don’t be obvious or vulgar. Venue change to lunch then back to her place….

    Like I said, probably best that you politely avoid her. Prove me wrong.

  38. My prayers are that police begin to realize that minority neighborhoods are not no go zones and should not be militarized to the point of quickdraw Mcgraw law enforcement. What happened to the community cop walking the beat in the neighborhoods? He was replaced with heavily fortified compounds and armored patrol vehicles and rapid response forces. WTF is this? We are not Baghdad, the police are not the Iraqi Republican Guards, and WE THE PEOPLE are not armed Sunnis blowing themselves up and attacking schools and markets. They are going to push it to the point of an armed insurrection if they don’t back the Hell off.

    I told my wife last night: It has started. This could be it. I don’t want to get involved in this one because the anti-coppers are going to get crushed. However, the backlash will lead to further liberty deprivations and the cycle of violence will escalate with new aggrieved groups. I will not be surprised if history records this standoff as the first battle. If there was ever a time for leadership now is it.

  39. The only thing you need to remember about banging divorced women; you are merely an Alpha agent of righteous karma:
    http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/08/12/the-difficulty-of-gaming-women-by-age-bracket/

    36 to 38 year olds

    She is at peace with her spinsterhood and her failure in the dating market. She will acquiesce easily and gratefully to sex with very little game, as long as you don’t look like a grandpa. Her expectations are so low, it will be a challenge to disappoint her.

    If you are prone to guilt, you might feel it when you inevitably dump a woman in this age range. Don’t. Remind yourself that her past is littered with her insouciant dumping of many beta men before you. You are merely an alpha agent of righteous karma.

  40. Jim Christian says:

    Divorced broads are E-Z pickins, no cheesy lines necessary. They know what they want, if it’s not too disgusting, there are lots of guys to give it to them. Even if it’s very disgusting.

  41. Jim Christian says:

    Correct, Rollo:”If you are prone to guilt, you might feel it when you inevitably dump a woman in this age range. Don’t. Remind yourself that her past is littered with her insouciant dumping of many beta men before you. You are merely an alpha agent of righteous karma.”.

    Many guys kind of play this game in their heads that THIS one is special, THIS one is clean and not over-used, so to speak. Forget it, they’re ALL over-used from age 30-on up. Trust that none are special, none are snowflakes and trust always that she will leave YOU behind the instant she judges another man a “better deal”. With divorced women, with aged women, divorced or not, you picks your poison, you makes your choices. You take from these women whatever companionship, company and sexual favors are available and never trust that they are faithful or really connected to you. They are not and it is dangerous delusion to even imagine that the one you’re with fits that pattern. These are the women we’re presented. It took those assholes 50 years, but they’ve ruined womanhood in this society. Live with it.

    If these wingle/divorced women of 30-plus years were any good, if they were good wives, if they were even good people forgetting their vagina for an instant, they wouldn’t be available. They are not special and frankly, they never deem any man special either. Remember that and go bang them with the certainty that they are below you. Hey, if I’m wrong, show me where? I’m not bitter, it’s just that this is what we have. If anything, it certainly leads to copious variety.

  42. Oscar says:

    @ bluepillprofessor says:
    July 8, 2016 at 12:41 pm

    “My prayers are that police begin to realize that minority neighborhoods are not no go zones and should not be militarized to the point of quickdraw Mcgraw law enforcement.”

    I grew up in those neighborhoods, and I can tell you I was glad to see cops.

    “What happened to the community cop walking the beat in the neighborhoods?”

    1. They became revenue-generating engines and switched to traffic enforcement, and…
    2. More recently, the Ferguson Effect.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-baltimore-police-hiring-insight-idUSKCN0ZN0BF

    “The number of uniformed officers in [Baltimore] fell 6.1 percent last year and has shrunk by even more in the first half of this year…

    ‘They’re having trouble recruiting because since Ferguson there has been a lot of negative press about policing’, said John DeCarlo, an associate professor of criminal justice at the University of New Haven and former chief of the Branford, Connecticut, police department.

    … [Baltimore] saw a 63 percent surge in homicides last year, with 344 people slain… ”

    Minority neighborhoods need more policing, not less. But they need old fashioned beat cops on foot saturating high-crime areas, not cops enforcing traffic laws to generate revenue.

    But, who would volunteer for that job just to be accused of being a racist, jackbooted thug, railroaded into court, have your family’s physical safety threatened, have your livelihood destroyed (see Officer Wilson in Ferguson, MO), or even shot or murdered (see Dallas) just for doing his job?

  43. seventiesjason says:

    bluepillprofessor:

    there is nothing to prove. even if she is all bubbly and nice to me………I want to be with a woman by the ‘fruit of the spirit’ and her genuine walk with Christ. I thought this woman in question was worth pursuing. She wasn’t and she didn’t want to be pursued by me evidently. I watch and observe from afar and see. Some of the married women in my church are solid women to their husbands in a Christ-like manner. I leave the young women alone. I would not be able to keep up with that, and I am not playing drama roles with a young woman. I ignore them….yes, a polite “hello” and that’s about it. I am looking for a woman who is five to seven years older or five to seven years younger than me.

    If I meet a Godly woman who….like me, made some TERRIBLE and WRONG choices when they were younger. They have Godly sorrow, and have indeed repented, changed and openly admit “I made very wrong, and bad choices / mistakes….but I don’t want to be that woman any more. She’s dead. I am really, humble, and honestly anew!” By their walk it shows and demonstrates this…..well, I might be interested. Sadly, I don’t see it. Not in my church, Not at other churches I attend here and there. Not on (cough) ‘christian’ dating sites. Not in the bloggersphere. Women in the range I want (end of their thirties to early fifties) may attend church. May indeed be Saved, may indeed close their eyes and raise their hands up during praise time…..but their walk is dead. I don’t see a spirit that I show, and that I want. I just don’t see it.

    ……and no, I am not going to have sex until I have a wedding band on my finger and the words “I do” are spoken. That will be the proof🙂

  44. Eidolon says:

    Anyone know what happened to Scott’s blog? I was enjoying that but it seems to be deleted all of a sudden.

  45. feeriker says:

    If I meet a Godly woman who….like me, made some TERRIBLE and WRONG choices when they were younger. They have Godly sorrow, and have indeed repented, changed and openly admit “I made very wrong, and bad choices / mistakes….but I don’t want to be that woman any more. She’s dead. I am really, humble, and honestly anew!” By their walk it shows and demonstrates this…..well, I might be interested. Sadly, I don’t see it. Not in my church, Not at other churches I attend here and there. Not on (cough) ‘christian’ dating sites. Not in the bloggersphere. Women in the range I want (end of their thirties to early fifties) may attend church. May indeed be Saved, may indeed close their eyes and raise their hands up during praise time…..but their walk is dead. I don’t see a spirit that I show, and that I want. I just don’t see it.

    ……and no, I am not going to have sex until I have a wedding band on my finger and the words “I do” are spoken. That will be the proof:-)

    Repeat after me:

    “Passport”

    “Foreign Language Lessons”

    “Travel”

  46. Random Angeleno says:

    There are a few interested older women in my life, but I just can’t get excited about any of them. I’m not very sociable anyway. I can make conversation, I can flirt, but why bother? Mostly I just dance with them and leave it there.

    My ex used to get me to do handyman things for her post-divorce. I allowed it because she finally started showing respect for me and my time. She did that because I enforced my boundaries on her conduct for the first time in our relationship. Something I had not known how to do while we were married as I didn’t get red pill until after it was long over. For example, I did her taxes the first couple of years post-divorce, then told her I would start charging her for it. Next year rolls around and I enforced the charge. She paid anyway, but she learned to do her own taxes after that. Last year, she asked if I could trim her palm trees; my response was “how much are you paying?”. She ended up hiring a professional to do it.

    For women who aren’t family or who aren’t my gf, “no” is my firm answer. I don’t even like assisting single mothers at church either because it feels like rewarding them for their choices.

  47. feeriker says:

    I don’t even like assisting single mothers at church either because it feels like rewarding them for their choices.

    It IS rewarding them for their bad choices.

    I just wish that these supplicating white knight pastors would be honest and just start calling them “Alpha Widows,” since they insist on lumping them in with REAL widows anyway.

  48. Gunner Q says:

    Oscar @ 1:33 pm:
    “Minority neighborhoods need more policing, not less. But they need old fashioned beat cops on foot saturating high-crime areas, not cops enforcing traffic laws to generate revenue.”

    Those old-fashioned beat cops were effective by being proactive. They knew their neighborhoods and the people in them so they did things like tail juvenile delinquents without probable cause and harass shady characters until they decided to leave town. It’s called “jamming” and has been outlawed.

    Also racial profiling and stereotypes. Gangs stayed away from lootable neighborhoods because they knew the police would be on their case just for “driving while black” or whatever. That’s gone, too.

    Now that police are not allowed to be proactive, they’ve retooled themselves to be reactive. Defensive. Living in fortified bases, going everywhere trigger-fingered, not even caring if thugs move into his neighborhood because he isn’t allowed to chase them off until it’s too late.

    The current attitude of police is the result of three decades of punitive civil lawsuits and social justice initiatives. It’s a bad attitude but they got there honestly.

  49. Minesweeper says:

    @GunnerQ, also what no one will talk about – the elephant in the room is the very great disparity between African american crime and Caucasians.

    Per head of population a AA is almost 4 times more likely to kill someone that a whitey.

    Now every policeman will know this but for some reason the media won’t talk about it. Its not surprising the police are are at very high levels of stress when dealing with that population. They also behave very differently and talk differently, their mannerisms too. I’ve often made the case AA should have their own police from their own race as only they will understand what the situation is. White guys get very confused and very stressed very quickly.

  50. Gunner Q says:

    Funny thing, I hear black cops are much harder on blacks than white cops.

  51. Anon says:

    Funny thing, I hear black cops are much harder on blacks than white co

    Why wouldn’t they be? Most black murders are by other blacks.

    Given the huge disparity in cop risk in the worst inner-city areas vs. some wealthy neighborhood or small town with no blacks, why would a cop choose to be in the Oakland, Baltimore, or Philadelphia PD at all vs. in the Woodside, Cupertino, Pacific Palisades, etc. PDs or some small town in Montana or Idaho’s PD?

  52. Anon says:

    BPP,

    My prayers are that police begin to realize that minority neighborhoods are not no go zones and should not be militarized to the point of quickdraw Mcgraw law enforcement.

    Wrong. Hispanics have a crime rate only 1.2x that of whites as Ron Unz has decisively analyzed with data. Asians have a crime rate only 0.4x that of whites.

    Blacks, however, are 7x. Yes, seven times.

    Don’t do Obama’s work for him by concealing black crime rates within the ‘minorities’ umbrella. On crime rates alone, it appears that the two types of people in America are not ‘white vs. non-white’, but rather ‘black vs. non-black’. The faultlines of friction seem to corroborate this.

  53. Oscar says:

    @ Gunner Q says:
    July 8, 2016 at 3:21 pm

    Agreed. The NYPD used “stop and frisk” (among other tactics) to transform NYC from a hellhole into one of the safest big cities in the country. And it only took a few years. And – contrary to popular belief – they didn’t target blacks unfairly. If anything, they targeted whites and Hispanics unfairly.

    http://www.city-journal.org/html/distorting-truth-about-crime-and-race-10730.html

    @ Gunner Q says:
    July 8, 2016 at 7:04 pm

    “Funny thing, I hear black cops are much harder on blacks than white cops.”

    Correct.

    “… a study conducted University of Pennsylvania criminologist Gary Ridgeway in 2015 that determined black cops were 3.3 times more likely to fire a gun than other cops at a crime scene. ”

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/7264/5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler

    My guess is that’s because black police officers are less likely to be accused of racism.

  54. Minesweeper says:

    Anon, yeah I heard it was x7 overall, the x4 i calc’d was murder only – I was trying to err on the lower side of things.

    I read an article somewhere I think Milo \ briebart\ hearstie\twitter (i know cuts it down) either linked to it or made it.

    It stated you are almost x10 more likely if white to be killed by black than the other way round.

    The rape\sex assault stats are unbelievable as well if you compare black->white assault, as we know alot of false reporting goes in there too.
    Would be great if someone could unpick whats happening in them and why noone has the balls to even mention it. As it would blow the BLM movement off the grid. Someone has to counteract the lies or if they have already get some publicity.

  55. Minesweeper says:

    @Oscar, so really your graph shows positive discrimination towards blacks for stop and search.

  56. Oscar says:

    @ Minesweeper

    Correct.

  57. I have blamed the cops in part for this situation and I stand by it. So let me attack the other side as well. It appears to me that black people in general, especially since el-Presidente he of the “Obama gonna take care of it all fo me” group came to power in his bloodless coup-de-tete, are more vocal and arrogant than I have ever seen. It is not hard to imagine how they treat cops when pulled over.

    We need a general education in this country. Cops need to learn that there job isn’t force protection. It is the job on their cars- protect and serve. To do that the boot lickers and cop lovers no matter what have to admit there is a problem. There are restrictions today that were not previously there, but the beat cop who knows the gangs and talks to the people is still better than a half dozen armored vehicles and stun baton wielding, Iron Man suit armored police.

    The citizens, particularly blacks, need to learn how to deal with the police. They need to learn to STFU and don’t mouth off and show some respect a$$hole. They need to say “yes, Sir” and “No Sir. They need to speak calmly and not make sudden movement and keep their hands in plane site. I have been pulled over dozens of times and have talked my way out of many tickets. Of course I am White with legal training but if you show some respect, it goes a long way.

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  59. That was me for sure when I first got divorced.

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