Misers are miserable.

Perhaps the greatest disappointment for feminists is their failure to make men miserable by getting them to do traditionally female roles.  Feminists didn’t understand that their misery came from their own miserly hearts, not from the act of caring for others.  Not only has becoming more like men made women less happy, but even more maddening is the fact that men aren’t experiencing the misery feminists hoped to transfer along with women’s roles.  Men in fact have the audacity to be downright cheerful when caring for others:

Expectations also lie behind the curious finding that performing household chores makes men statistically less likely to become depressed but contributes to depression in women. Taking on housework seems to encourage men to judge themselves as generally likeable, fair-minded dudes, kindly reducing their wives’ load. On the other hand, taking on housework seems to make women feel exploited.

See the full article in the Guardian (Gains in women’s rights haven’t made women happier. Why is that?) for much more feminist gnashing of teeth, with the final conclusion that of course feminism makes women miserable, we never promised otherwise:

Declining happiness among women may seem depressing. But who ever claimed an expanded consciousness brings satisfaction?

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173 Responses to Misers are miserable.

  1. DrTorch says:

    That’s why a loving Church shouldn’t allow any bit of feminism into its congregation, and certainly not from its pulpit.

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  3. The_Mad_A-Rab says:

    Still a lot of manblaming. The author femsplained her way in to it being mens fault for being happy.

    Men like to help. Men like to ease the burden of their families. Men have no issue with more responsibility. Men, in general, want ed to noticed as being useful and handy. We are natural problem solvers. She works… Let us help. She complains… Let us help more.

    The worst part of these studies, in regards to how women work more hours is, often times the chores histrionically attributed to men around the house are not included as chores. Cutting grass, painting the house, cleaning gutters, car repair, home repair etc… are all over looked.

    As more people rent and live in condo’s it frees men from difficult tasks and frees them up for the easy stuff: Like doing laundry. For us it is a win.

  4. Women are never satisfied. Why do married men work longer and harder? To make their women happy. Why do men look for more flexible jobs? Because working long hours makes the wife unhappy. Why do women drop out of the workforce? Because staying home will make them happy. Why do they inevitably go back to work? Because that didn’t make them happy either, but maybe a different make-work job will. Why do women browbeat men into marriage only to file for a divorce a few years later? Chasing this silly idea of happiness that they think can be found by acting like men. And how happy are men, really? We work hard, we’re saddled with responsibility, and no one ever tells us to EPL and “find ourselves”. We don’t have the time for that.

    There’s an enormous, worldwide effort to market this unattainable idea of ‘happiness’ to women, and in pursuing it, they give up all hope of contentment. The wasted years and money and broken families and fatherless children are all justifiable collateral damage to these monsters.

  5. rugby11 says:

    We move on and do are best from are hearts.

  6. Minesweeper says:

    ” Why do married men work longer and harder? To make their women happy. ”

    And in that same vein, its becoming clear with the “marriage bonus” that men unfairly receive, that the only way to not create equality is for men to not marry, that way equality will be obtained for all, either that or women will have to be forced to work longer hours to pay for the man she decides to keep at home. Maybe both ?

  7. Looking Glass says:

    “For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?” Mark 8:36 (ESV)

    It wasn’t a rhetorical point the Lord was making there.

  8. Anon says:

    There’s an enormous, worldwide effort to market this unattainable idea of ‘happiness’ to women, and in pursuing it, they give up all hope of contentment.

    That is right. The most prosperous societies ever created are literally choosing to squander all of their resources on this goal; a goal that is neither possible nor worthy….

  9. greyghost says:

    Looks like you made a post on the mythical beast Hypergamy. Pursued and never caught with a wake of destruction in its path. Whole empires have been lost, hypergamy

  10. Minesweeper says:

    *that the only way to create equality is for men to not marry,

  11. Atticus says:

    “And how happy are men, really? We work hard, we’re saddled with responsibility, and no one ever tells us to EPL and “find ourselves”. We don’t have the time for that.”

    I’m pretty happy all the time. Even doing stuff I hate. Not sure why, except that it’s just great to be alive.

  12. Jim says:

    “You know what makes women happy? Nothing.”

    Bill Burr

  13. You can’t make this stuff up.

    Declining happiness among women may seem depressing. But who ever claimed an expanded consciousness brings satisfaction?

    LOL

    Genesis 3:4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

    6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

  14. greyghost says:

    She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

    “Dumb ass, why the hell did you do that? We’re going to have to get jobs now”

  15. greyghost says:

    Deep strength
    Women today fell for it the same as she. Too bad we are the only ones putting two and two together on this.

  16. anonymous_ng says:

    @Atticus “I’m pretty happy all the time. Even doing stuff I hate. Not sure why, except that it’s just great to be alive.”

    Yep.

  17. honeycomb says:

    The solution is for men not to marry .. and thusly oh’press these special snowflakes.

    Gentlemen its time to let them stew in their own veg’tie’bull med’lee .. without any man seasoning .. okay that sounded bad .. but you get the point.

  18. cmr says:

    That article was terrible. To summarize: “Women have to marry worse men because of all the high quality men in prison. You know, those drug dealers/users that are so high quality. But actually, Europe doesn’t incarcerate as many people and it’s all the same there anyway. Turns out having to compete with everyone instead of just other women is hard and makes us sad.”

  19. >who ever claimed an expanded consciousness brings satisfaction?

    As you well know Dalrock, the Book says quite the opposite- the more knowledge, the more grief, not to mention Genesis 1:3.

  20. Whoops, make that 3:1.

  21. Yoda says:

    But who ever claimed an expanded consciousness brings satisfaction?

    But truly expanded consciousness it is?
    Yoda says it is not

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  23. desiderian says:

    Happiness is in fact overrated, but that doesn’t help feminism, which has been sold on the basis of enhancing happiness and has not delivered the promised goods.

  24. Chump No More says:

    “Expectations also lie behind the curious finding that performing household chores makes men statistically less likely to become depressed but contributes to depression in women. Taking on housework seems to encourage men to judge themselves as generally likeable, fair-minded dudes, kindly reducing their wives’ load. On the other hand, taking on housework seems to make women feel exploited.”

    Men who understand their burden of performance see is a job that needs to be done, and they do it… end of story. No ‘misery’ from an unfulfilled covert contract, just satisfaction from a job well done.

  25. Heidi_storage says:

    One of the commenters: “such a dangerous subject that could be read to [sic] easily, especially by men, as saying we should all keep to traditional values.” Uh, yes, that does seem to be reasonable. You have to engage in some really creative thinking to come up with the conclusion that women are unhappier because we need more feminism, not less.

  26. LeeLee says:

    I’m reading this book about the history of American housework and it’s blowing my mind. I kind of want to talk about this with everyone, because I just didn’t realize how leisurely, comfortable, safe and prosperous my life is, historically speaking. It’s kind of confirming stuff I’ve considered for a lot time, which is that being a housewife might be *too easy*, so easy that it’s empty..

    Being a housewife used to be about hard labor and producing meaningful items that were consumed by your loved ones. But I don’t have to chop wood or build & tend fires because I have a furnace and an oven. I don’t need to haul water in and out of my house because I have indoor plumbing. I don’t have to dedicate an entire day to laundry, I have a washing machine.

    Housewives don’t create things anymore, or really labor in exhausting or community oriented ways, beyond cooking. We buy what we need from the store, we run errands and drive kids around and generally inflate the role of mothering into something that can fill all that spare time. We supervise machines.

    I think feminists were right that housework is boring and empty… but that’s not because it is inherently, but because industrialization has made it so and we haven’t figured out how to remediate that yet.

  27. MarcusD says:

    @LeeLee

    A number of women I know have adopted a range of hobbies. One in particular is knitting for charities (e.g. http://www.craftsy.com/blog/2014/03/crocheting-and-knitting-for-charity/).

  28. Daily Llama says:

    Interesting. I just heard on NPR about the valium addiction of white middle class housewives during the 50s and 60s. The pills were touted by ad agencies (not doctors) in the womens’ magazines at the time as a cure all for boredom, depression, lack of energy and lack of sex drive as well as lack of satisfaction with one’s dish washing skills. They promised to get women through the day with a smile, shinier dishes and a sudden burst in desire for their husbands. One did not require a doctors prescription either. You could order “mothers little helper” through the magazines. Eventually women started coming out about their addictions and they were treated with sympathy unlike the men of color who were treated with disdain (and often arrest) for their own addictions to opium, coke or reefer. That’s when Big Pharma stepped in to make big dolla via prescriptions.

    Maybe men find satisfaction in chores women don’t because its not expected of us? We can view it as “helping” rather than a drudging duty that society assumes is our role? Anything repetitive can get boring to the point of frustration. There has to be a larger purpose in life. The message of the 50s and 60s was “The American Dream” which basically meant living life to buy stuff pushed by corporations. Accumulation and consumption became the sole American values and sole purpose to be an American. America was at the top of the world back then having become wealthier and more powerful after WWII. We believed in “infinite growth”. Infinite growth was our god. Even the hippies didn’t manage to debunk this myth but rather became subsumed by it.

  29. Daily Llama says:

    Clicked on the link and the summary explains why they still feel like shit. Turns out us men have only increased our housework by a margin while women are still doing twice as much as us.

    “Major theoretical, methodological, and empirical contributions to the study of household labor are summarized, and suggestions for further research are offered. In summary, women have reduced and men have increased slightly their hourly contributions to housework. Although men’s relative contributions have increased, women still do at least twice as much routine housework as men. Consistent predictors of sharing include both women’s and men’s employment, earnings, gender ideology, and life-course issues. More balanced divisions of housework are associated with women perceiving fairness, experiencing less depression, and enjoying higher marital satisfaction.”

    Let’s see how we feel once we reach parity or the household labor hours are reversed. I’ll probably need valium then too.

  30. Cane Caldo says:

    @Daily Llama

    Although men’s relative contributions have increased, women still do at least twice as much routine housework as men.

    When you suck at something and make every act a misery, it takes you twice as long to do it as someone competent and cheerful.

  31. Hope Deferred says:

    @ hankerinforaspankerin

    “Women are never satisfied. Why do married men work longer and harder? To make their women happy.

    From my own place of observation, when a man tries to make a woman (wife) happy, he generally never succeeds, no matter how diligent his efforts to give her what she says she wants. When a woman tries to make a man happy, she will most likely be successful if she will just simply do what he said he wanted her to do, not what she thinks it ought to be.

    Short version: A wife can make her husband happy; a husband…well, perseverance is a virtue.

  32. The Question says:

    “Declining happiness among women may seem depressing. But who ever claimed an expanded consciousness brings satisfaction?”

    As the Scarecrow from The Dark Knight remarked:

    “Buyer beware. I told you my compound would take you places. I never said they were places you wanted to go!”

  33. MrMasculine says:

    Women will never be happy as long as they are trying to get,get and get. Happiness comes from giving without an expectation of return. Happiness comes from having gratitude for what you’ve got. An older woman I know told me that she derived happiness and fulfillment from being a mother. She understood that her kids were completely dependent on her and would give her nothing back. She said she felt that it was extremely fulfilling even though she got nothing in return.

  34. The Question says:

    They say the easiest way to make a woman unhappy is to give her everything she wants.

    If that’s the case then we have given Western women everything they’ve wanted, and more.

  35. Vektor says:

    From the link… “As women’s rights and opportunities have increased, it seems reasonable that women in industrialized countries have internalized ever more complex and optimistic expectations, and judged reality against these.”

    I cared about female happiness for decades. I don’t care about female happiness anymore. In dark moments, I begin to care about female unhappiness.

  36. It’s so unusual — I read all of the comments about how women are almost never happy or satisfied about nearly ANYTHING, and no one ever mentioned the old fable about “The Fisherman and His Wife”.
    I learned in childhood from my own sister’s actions that you can’t make a woman happy if she is damned determined to NEVER be happy.
    Since that attitude to NEVER be happy is now in vogue in Western culture with the advent of feminism, it would be MUCH better for a man to make himself happy, before even being concerned with even TRYING to make a Western woman happy. A man will have a much more satisfying and peaceful — even happy — life by doing so.

  37. JDG says:

    Although men’s relative contributions have increased, women still do at least twice as much routine housework as men.

    If only that were true. Women SHOULD be doing ALL the housework, and getting most of them out of the work place would be a vast improvement for those places. It’s so easy to forget that the woman was made for the man, not the other way around.

  38. ManlyMan says:

    @ Daily Llama-

    Nice try honey.

  39. Spike says:

    Interesting: men doing housework may prevent them getting depression, but housework contributes to women’s unhappiness.
    Doesn’t this show that the modern woman is a selfish bitch, as does Jessica Valenti telling us that wrapping Christmas presents is a form of oppression, as is preparing Christmas dinner?
    I live in the forlorn hope that feminists will eventually discover what Christians have known for millenia: serving others, being hospitable and demonstrating kindness (including a wife’s sexual openness to her husband) is what makes men and women happy.

    I’m being wishful. What is more likely is that feminists will double down on stupidity and work out in yet another way how men are responsible for women working harder, falling off the self imposed career-marriage -family tightrope, being pumped and dumped, getting abused by Alphas, medicating themselves with higher quantities of dodgy prescription drugs and wondering why cheap holidays to exotic lands just don’t make them happy.
    There MUST be a man to blame in there somewhere.

  40. Anon says:

    LeeLee :

    It’s kind of confirming stuff I’ve considered for a lot time, which is that being a housewife might be *too easy*, so easy that it’s empty..

    Well, a competent woman should be able to have 4 kids and homeschool them. But even that basic task seems Herculean to the average incompetent female..

  41. Anon says:

    BTW, this sort of thought is also why most women have zero clue how a workplace should work, why an employer should create a job, why a minimum wage cannot be legislated, and more importantly, why there is the ’77 cents on the dollar’ pay gap that they will never, ever stop whining about.

    The notion of value generation through productivity is stunningly alien to most women. This is also why the ‘women in tech’ whining is amazingly transparent as nothing more than a ‘Gimme that money being generated there’ grab.

  42. feeriker says:

    Women will never be happy as long as they are trying to get,get and get.

    Three-plus generations of western women, including those who self-describe as “Christian,” have had this materialistic mindset brainwashed into them to the point where it’s part of their hardwiring.

    Happiness comes from giving without an expectation of return.

    And that’s the self-serving line that the average woman will hand the average man as she takes, Takes, TAKES while he gives, Gives, GIVES, her bottomless maw never being satisfied as she doubles down on the entitled whining.

    Happiness comes from having gratitude for what you’ve got.

    I’m now convinced that much of the western world, western women in particular, would benefit immensely by being reduced to the status of starving beggars on the very edge of survival. Genuine gratitude for the blessings one has been giving by God in this life, howevermuch for granted such blessings are taken (“poor” people in the West today are far better off materially than were the “wealthy” of yestercentury) is a sentiment that I’m sure the Almighty will agree is as extinct today as is the dinosaur. He would be more than fully justified in issuing us a new “reminder” of from whence those blessings flow, in much the same way He felt compelled to regularly “remind” the habitually ungrateful and rebellious Israelites of the Old Testament.

  43. feeriker says:

    The notion of value generation through productivity is stunningly alien to most women. This is also why the ‘women in tech’ whining is amazingly transparent as nothing more than a ‘Gimme that money being generated there’ grab.

    They understand the value generation concept; they just don’t believe that they have to do any of the generating. That’s men’s job. They’re still entitled to a cut of (and selective claim of credit for) the productive value that men have generated because … well, because it’s not FAIR otherwise!

  44. Modsquad says:

    Gary Larson said it best…

  45. Jakeithus says:

    I became the father of a daughter today, adding to the son I already have, and part of my reflecting on what it’s going to mean to raise a daughter was the realization that part of raising her correctly will be fighting against a feminist system that claims to be looking out for her best interest, but who’s real goal is to make her unhappy and resentful (with my son it’s been clear they never been trying to look out for his best interest). That was before reading Dalrock today and seeing another example of unhappy women spreading their unhappiness around. It makes me long for a society that cared more about raising healthy individuals than about trying to ensure everyone is “happy” which is a foolish and impossible quest.

  46. mmaier2112 says:

    Congratulations, Jakeithus! God bless you and yours. My newest niece (2yrs) is truly a joyful blessing. I hate thinking of how the world will attempt to screw her up every which way.

  47. @ Jakeithus

    Congratulations! May God bless you and your family…….

  48. MrWoot says:

    I grew tired of my wife audibly sighing from the kitchen as she did dishes. Sometimes comments were made and eventually I just ignored her. Same thing with laundry. Early on I use to take on the folding to “ease her burden” and one day she decided to “help” me. I mentioned that I named each of her underwear and gave her socks stupid labels like “Green Racer” as it had a green stripe on the toes. She was aghast that I could have “fun” folding laundry. As for dishes, I would calculate the minimum amount of cabinets to require opening in order to finish the task. If I was under the amount of cabinets I won, and, if over, I lost. How do you dig a hole? Make a dirt pile. The guy who invented the vacuum cleaner did so to create a cleaning service – it was to make money – not help women.

    My mother, the anti-feminist to her bones, helped me understand work by “making a game out of it”. She cleaned houses for a living, while raising two kids, and so her housework was at least 2x what normal women do. She never complained. She saw work as simply a means to help people.

  49. Deansdale says:

    “On the other hand, taking on housework seems to make women feel exploited.”
    Who would have thought that teaching women to be miserable would make them miserable… But of course there’s a solution: more feminism! /s
    It’s the very same thing the elite uses to incite hatred based on race, politics, sexual orientation, etc.
    Ultimately there are only two directions those who control society can steer it: either they move towards peace by telling people to be calm, forgiving and productive, or they move towards war and suffering by telling people they should be angry. The reason for anger is totally irrelevant, only the fact matters that anger can only raise tensions, never calm them.
    You can determine the sanity and/or the motives of anyone trying to steer society by observing which category they fit into. And this is why Christianity was a force of good in the world: it was a representative of the former category.

  50. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    “You know what makes women happy? Nothing.”

    I’ve come to realize that one of the primary attributes to seek in a potential wife is happiness. Some people are just congenitally happy. They can’t help it. They’re natural Tiggers (the Winnie the Pooh character). Nothing brings them down. They’re happy over very little. They shrug off disappointments. They’re always laughing.

  51. Dave says:

    MrWoot,
    Sorry, but I have to ask, what’s a man doing with folding the laundry and doing the dishes when he has a wife? I mean, seriously? I can only think of, maybe two situations where such could happen: if the wife was indisposed, or physically away from home due to a legitimate reason. Even then a good wife would minimize the effects of her absence on her man. Studies have shown that women don’t appreciate men more because the latter did more household chores.
    American men are considered some of the best husbands on the planet; they deserve much better than American women.

  52. Jack Russell Terrorist says:

    Ever notice it’s the western countries where most of the women have Permascowls. There is a fairy tale about a man who releases a fish after the fish promises him anything he wants if he gets released. The man’s wife demands more and more and can’t be pleased. Eventually the fish has enough of this and the couple end up with what they started out with.

  53. Minesweeper says:

    @JRT
    http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/grimm019.html

    someone else mentioned this recently on Dalrock, all credit to them.

  54. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Regarding the fish story, there’s a similar joke regarding a Husband Store.

    I googled and found several versions of this joke:

    http://www.phocks.org/stumble/husband-store.php

    http://board.jokeroo.com/funny-jokes/139962-women-impossible-please.html

    http://www.jokesduniya.com/93/husband-store/

  55. feeriker says:

    Dave says:
    May 27, 2016 at 5:32 am

    My bitchy, lazy, useless, tub o’ lard sister-in-law epitomizes the spoiled Amerikan MC bee-yotch who, even though she stays home all day, cannot be bothered to do even the simplest of household chores without acting as if she’s enduring slave labor in a gulag somewhere. Of course my ueber-Beta brother enables her, doing all the household chores for her, even after coming home from a 12-hour workday slog.

    I have say that while I heartily and completely agree as a general principle that American men deserve much better than what passes for women in America, “men” like my brother are the exception to that statement. He could have done MUCH better than the hopeless train wreck that is (and always has been) my SiL, but deliberately chose not to and still chooses to ignore her inexcusable behavior. No, guys like him fully deserve what they’ve consciously chosen to burden themselves with. My sympathy lamp went out a long time ago.

  56. feeriker says:

    I’ve come to realize that one of the primary attributes to seek in a potential wife is happiness. Some people are just congenitally happy. They can’t help it. They’re natural Tiggers (the Winnie the Pooh character). Nothing brings them down. They’re happy over very little. They shrug off disappointments. They’re always laughing.

    Yes, generally speaking, a women in a perpetually felicitous state is a rare gem of a find. However, caveat emptor: sometimes that can also be a symptom of bat-shit craziness.

  57. Novaseeker says:

    Also leads to cheating. It’s amusing when women confirm this themselves, as in this recent article: http://nymag.com/betamale/2016/05/women-are-now-cheating-as-much-as-men-but-with-fewer-consequences.html

    Of course, women are to be applauded for cheating because they are empowered by doing so, whereas for men it’s just crappy to cheat. The first step, I think, in a broader trend to socially legitimize female infidelity, while socially deligitmizing male complaints about it (or deligitimizing men leaving their wives over it), and keeping strong deligitimacy against male infidelity. This is the beginning of this trend, really.

  58. Minesweeper says:

    @feeriker says:
    “Yes, generally speaking, a women in a perpetually felicitous state is a rare gem of a find. However, caveat emptor: sometimes that can also be a symptom of bat-shit craziness.” – Yup, this can apply to both sexes with disorders. That only tend to come out of the closet behind closed doors. The difficulty is screening for that, when they are so good at hiding it.

  59. @Nova: Rollo has been warning us of the coming Open Hypergamy for quite a while now so this is more a continuation of the trend, not the beginning. In fact, the trend is well advanced. Women can decide whether or not to have a child. Men have no choice and if you suggest otherwise ANY woman within earshot will caustically and sarcastically tell you “He should have wrapped it up, it’s his fault.”

    Now we are at the stage where the media lauds female infidelity as “empowering” and male infidelity as “divorce-rape worthy.” Soon the pressure will increase and EVERY SINGLE WOMAN within earshot will support the narrative. They will caustically and sarcastically tell you “What are you a shitlord? Do you hate women? You must be insecure.”

    After that, EVERY SINGLE WOMAN will begin telling men that female infidelity is “just fine” and “don’t worry about it” and “she is just finding herself.”

    After that, ANY MAN who opposes sloppy seconds from his wife will be criticized as controlling and supporting the patriarchy and oppressing women. The media will support the narrative and I don’t think the men will even push back on it.

    Rollo was right and Open Hypergamy is coming.

    Soon after cucks are taught their place, it will become the cause-de-jure for Transexuals and Homosexuals to force straight men to service them. I believe the time is not far off when a Tranny will feel free to walk up to a man on the subway, whip it out, and demand a BJ. Then when the man refuses or recoils in disgust EVERY SINGLE WOMAN will jump on the man like Bonobo’s jumping on a young male. EVERY SINGLE WOMAN in earshot will protest at the open “Homophobia” and LOUDLY protest about Transphobia. They will contact your employer for refusing to service the gay man because that is a form of “Hate Speech.” Mark my words: Men WILL be fired for refusing to service gay men and trannies and it will happen within 4 years.

  60. Cylux says:

    Well they’ve already defined refusing to have sex with a tranny as transphobia.

  61. greyghost says:

    If all of this leads to shooting it is going to be vicious. Raw emotion

  62. The Question says:

    @ bluepillprofessor

    If things continued along this trajectory I think you’re right. But I don’t think it will get to that point or it will be the last straw.

    In four years there will be an out-and-out “fashist” (right-wing nationalist) movement in this country. We’re already seeing its rise. In four years any stigma around the word “fascism” will be gone. Again, we’re already seeing the stigma being removed.

    While Milo calmly endured abuse at DePaul University recently, the fashists won’t have the forbearance. If anyone threatens them they will just shoot them. If they are attacked they will use whatever levels of violence they deem appropriate to get their enemies to stop.

    For 40 years the Left, through ideologies such as feminism, has waged a war against the natural order of things. The pendulum is about to swing the opposite direction. Any good will at that point will have been squandered well before.

  63. The Question says:

    @ greyghost

    It could turn into conflict a la Spanish Civil War or the Irish Troubles. Or a weird mix of both. But I don’t see a peaceful outcome to this anymore.

  64. Novaseeker says:

    Mark my words: Men WILL be fired for refusing to service gay men and trannies and it will happen within 4 years.

    I think that’s a bit of a stretch, but I do see a similar trend developing around trans in particular, where young men and boys will be shamed for deciding against pursuing someone if they learn that “she” is trans. That’s already starting — there was a BBC story not long ago about a MTF who had a few boys attracted, but when they learned she was MTF they were no longer interested — of course this was presented as problematic and troubling. We’re not far away from that being denigrated as being homophobic and transphobic and bigoted (“the guy was attracted to “her”, but he’s just bigoted against her because she still has a penis” type of reasoning).

  65. feeriker says:

    It could turn into conflict a la Spanish Civil War or the Irish Troubles. Or a weird mix of both. But I don’t see a peaceful outcome to this anymore.

    Alas, I don’t either. The irrational hostility toward human civilization by the enemy is too deeply entrenched and all-pervasive to be receptive to reason.

  66. Looking Glass says:

    @The Question:

    Not 40 years, at least 140. Realistically since the beginning of the “Enlightenment”. The rot & murder is an inherent part of it. It just took a long while to fully bloom.

    As for what the next steps look like, much as with the Presidential Election, people make great assumptions about the Status Quo. The Stock markets will hit all-time highs going into mid-Summer, but the crash is going to happen somewhere in the September to October range. In best possible scenario, it makes it until 2017. But that’s getting really unlikely at this point.

    About 10% of Western economies is held up by smoke & mirrors. We’re not going to see SHTF-level problems, but we’ve already been in a recession for on 2 years and we’re about to snap fully into the Depression, regardless of what the Central Banks are trying to do. And that’s before everything else starts happening.

    The other thing to keep in mind is that the American impulse is always “Counter-Revolutionary” in nature. It wasn’t be the rise of Fascists here, but the outright assassinations of those in leadership. It won’t be public bombings to “send a message”; it’ll be 2 bullets to the head in the dead of night.

  67. The Question says:

    @ Looking Glass

    “It won’t be public bombings to “send a message”; it’ll be 2 bullets to the head in the dead of night.”

    Something like this, perhaps.

  68. MrWoot says:

    @Dave
    Good question. A good wife would do so and, like the book says, who can find one? I now live alone.

  69. thedeti says:

    What interested me in the article about women’s cheating pulling even with men was that at least in the report, the men in the marriage are trying to work it out and keep the marriage together, while the wife just wants out.

    And it doesn’t seem to be about keeping up appearances or “making it work for the kids”. It’s about the men having no other emotional or relational support system. These men will lose the only adult in their lives who cared anything at all about them. They sank their entire emotional and interpersonal lives into their wives. If their marriages end, these men have literally no one else to interact with, talk to, or share anything with. They certainly might have a hard time getting another sex partner or spouse, in large part because they don’t relate to or interact with anyone else on a day to day or even week to week basis, apparently. They cling to their romantic ideals of a wife who loves them just for who they are, forever. They’ve bought into the beta blue pill feminine imperative, where they have to give up everything about themselves to “make her happy”, and then if their wives leave, they have nothing.

  70. Anon says:

    deti,

    They’ve bought into the beta blue pill feminine imperative, where they have to give up everything about themselves to “make her happy”, and then if their wives leave, they have nothing.

    That is why the nature of the correction will be rather weird. The resources that have been sunk into women, both tangible and intangible, has bee incalculable. Yet, society receives very little return from having sunk all these resources into women…

  71. thedeti says:

    Anon:

    “That is why the nature of the correction will be rather weird. The resources that have been sunk into women, both tangible and intangible, has bee incalculable. Yet, society receives very little return from having sunk all these resources into women…”

    The correction will be in the near term that women like the ones in the article will divorce, pay child support, pay a small bit of temporary alimony, and they’ll remarry, or not. Their ex husbands and fathers of their kids will likely not remarry. Society will continue to splinter and fracture along these lines. It’s going to continue sliding in that direction for a long time to come. It will get much, much more difficult economically, relationally and sexually, for men. Most men aren’t going to be attractive enough to get and keep a woman long term. Women aren’t going to stay with those men. Why should they, when society outright incentivizes them to leave their marriages to faithful men for another go at the carousel? This is going to happen much more with women who are primary breadwinners, too.

    And notice this: When men were primary breadwinners and had affairs, the way most men conducted said affairs was discreetly and on the down low, while remaining with their wives and continuing their roles as husbands and fathers. Society looked down on men cheating on their wives, but didn’t usually penalize them as long as they did it discreetly and didn’t flaunt their dalliances in their wives’ faces or flip the middle finger at society, their jobs and their reputations. It wasn’t consistent with Christian morality, but society continued working.

    When women become primary breadwinners and have affairs, notice the difference in how the women conduct the affairs and their personal lives. The affairs are out in the open and many times confessed. They’re not discreet about it; they’re looking to detonate their marriages. The wife is not looking to stay in the marriage, she’s looking to get out — to marry the affair partner, or less often to cougar it up. Society doesn’t look down on women cheating on their husbands; in fact society is encouraging this and calls it “empowering”. Society is falling apart because of it.

  72. Anon says:

    So it really appears that men have just two choices : be an MGTOW or a PUA..

    The third choice appears to be to convert to Islam…

  73. Dave says:

    So it really appears that men have just two choices : be an MGTOW or a PUA..
    The third choice appears to be to convert to Islam…

    I would like to suggest that a third choice is to look for foreign brides, and there are still loads of them who will eagerly become wives of good men.

  74. Opus says:

    The BBC is a Marxist-Feminist institution – the model for Orwell when writing 1984. It pumps out in subtle and less-subtle ways inter-alia non-stop Homophilia and Transphilia propaganda whilst allowing its light entertainer’s to be persecuted on trumped up Heterosexual allegations for which in any event there is no evidence of a credible nature if for no other reason than that the allegations relate to alleged events, unwitnessed, from forty years ago. The people of Britain (those who have installed a Television set, that is) each have pursuant to The Wireless Telegraphy Act 1949 the honour of paying £145.00 a year ($180.00 approx – happily for you, and you will have to thank your founding fathers for this: all those living in America are exempt) – the Licence Fee – for the privilege of viewing its Television Services, viewing its web-site and listening to its Radio Stations, including listening should they be so inclined to its six Symphony Orchestras for whom it commissions well over one hundred new pieces of music each year and otherwise from its record library which is the largest in the world as well as maintaining in Maida Vale (about three quarters of a mile to the South West of EMI’s Abbey Road studio) its own set of concert halls/recording studios and runs The Promenade Concerts which is said to be the world’s longest – July to September – and longest running – one hundred and twenty years – Music Festival. The BBC is maintained by Charter and thus is independent – at least notionally. Brideshead Revisited (which was once a popular Mini-Series) was not however and contrary to a view I once heard voiced by an American, a BBC production. In the spirit of equality amongst its long-running series is Woman’s Hour; there is not and never has been a Men’s Hour. On the credit side, once a week, it broadcasts Choral Evensong live from one or other of the country’s Cathedrals and the like places of worship.

    I have been inside both Broadcasting House (which externally and internally is like a cruise-liner) and Bush House (which isn’t but which is where The World Service emanates from); just two of its many properties. The BBC is hopelessly overstaffed and that staff who have little to do are extremely well paid. My biggest regret in life is not having sought to become one of its employees.

  75. thedeti says:

    “I would like to suggest that a third choice is to look for foreign brides, and there are still loads of them who will eagerly become wives of good men.”

    Sigh. Every time that’s raised as a potential solution, the response is that when you bring that foreign bride to the feminism-soaked United States, the previously good bride is transformed into an insufferable feminist harpie who divorce rapes her hapless “good man” and runs off with Harley McBadboy.

  76. Anon says:

    Sigh. Every time that’s raised as a potential solution, the response is that when you bring that foreign bride to the feminism-soaked United States, the previously good bride is transformed into an insufferable feminist harpie who divorce rapes her hapless “good man” and runs off with Harley McBadboy.

    I agree. It is amazing that men who think this is a solution have not figured this out.

    For an example, just observe women who immigrated to the US while still single, from a country you think does not have ‘feminism’. It takes very little time for them to slut it up over here, whether they are from Russia, Latin America, VietNam or even Iran.

    Why will the married woman be different. There may be *some* resistance to feminism in the early years, but what about at Year 10 of the marriage? Year 15? Year 20? Do these women not watch the same TV shows?

    While such a woman may stay married to keep up appearances (since her relatives back home still live in a society where divorce is infrequent), she will become a nagging harpy.

  77. Anon says:

    Plus, if this ‘foreign bride’ logic worked, then US cities with a large portion of non-Anglosphere immigrants, such as the big California cities or New York, would be strong bastions of stable marriages.

  78. greyghost says:

    There is no wife in the West by law. Doesn’t make any difference. The men alive today are tasked with building a civilization not learning how to come out on top in one built by other men.

  79. JDG says:

    Sigh. Every time that’s raised as a potential solution, the response is that when you bring that foreign bride to the feminism-soaked United States, the previously good bride is transformed into an insufferable feminist harpie who divorce rapes her hapless “good man” and runs off with Harley McBadboy.

    Except the stats show that foreign brides are much less likely to go harpy then Western woman are. Sure it happens, but the divorce rates among foreign brides is around 20% (and this number includes couples who plan to divorce before they marry for visa reasons) vs the 50% range of their US counter parts.

    Foreign brides may not be a solution, and there are no guarantees, but if a man is determined to marry in a nation that does not even understand what genuine marriage is AND is hostile towards men he may want to consider a market where women are at least raised to like and show respect to their men.

  80. Minesweeper says:

    @GG, now there may be still a concept of wife(financial obligations to be met by the male spouse), the concept and practice of “husband” is the one that’s been outlawed.

    Any man declaring he is in fact not only her husband but treats her as his wife, is sure to be on the receiving end of the law and harsh cultural condemnation.

  81. Anon says:

    JDG,

    Sure it happens, but the divorce rates among foreign brides is around 20% (and this number includes couples who plan to divorce before they marry for visa reasons) vs the 50% range of their US counter parts.

    That is less because of their foreign-ness and more to keep up appearances, while treating the husband worse and worse. Hence, foreign brides are similar to UMC American women…

    UMC Americans too have a 20% divorce rate. The wife maintains the marriage but instead becomes a high-maintenence, ungrateful white elephant, while still keeping the marriage in tact.

    Divorce rate is not the entire measurement of the health of marriage. It does not include intact marriages where abuse by the woman is the norm.

  82. JDG says:

    Anon – I have yet to see a foreign bride treat her husband as bad as I see your average American Jane treat her husband on a regular basis. I say this as someone who interacts with foreign couples daily (lots of them). I’ve been told that my group is an outlying phenomena, but I’ve yet to personally encounter any of the “foreign bride horror stories” I often read about by foreign bride critics. I don’t see the proof statistically, I don’t see it anecdotally. Where is it?

  83. MrWoot says:

    A wonderful sweet foreign bride married my client. I have no idea what he was making. She stayed with him about 3.5 years – enough time to get pregnant, have a baby, bring momma to look at the baby and boom – she is now getting $9k a month in alimony and child support.

    I did not see it coming but her ROI makes prostitutes look moronic.

  84. Minesweeper says:

    @Mr Woot, I think you could offer a valuable new service to your clients based on your experience. With that on offer – why wouldn’t she leave ?

    And to think what was the lump sum on leaving ?

    If he did the calc (sex quantity/lumpsum) = ???

    they do say hookers are the most honest women around ! That phrase is proving more accurate the more I read.

  85. They Call Me Tom says:

    One solution occurred to me on drive home… what if, instead of a dowry, women were required to provide marriage insurance prior to the government recognizing a union? Sort of like a contractor provides a bond for construction projects?

    Then there is no hamsterized ‘preparing to fail’ argument as with prenuptials… and there is a third party, who, should the wife try to detonate the marriage, will get to the bottom of it, and pursue damages against the guilty party when the state tries to play the ‘it’s no fault divorce, which is to say it’s always the husband’s fault’. An insurer would figure out who the responsible party is out of their own self-interest.

    When it becomes a private insurance contract, seems like you get around all the double standards from the government. At least for a few years… then I suppose, it’d be declared illegal for, you know, holding individuals accountable for their actions, which seems to be what most new laws are written for these days.

  86. Yet Another Commenter, Yet Another Comment ("Yac-Yac") says:

    I don’t think Yoda posts nearly often enough.

  87. Yoda says:

    To get the full Yoda experience, go here you should

    https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2016/05/28/man-baiting/

  88. feeriker says:

    One solution occurred to me on drive home… what if, instead of a dowry, women were required to provide marriage insurance prior to the government recognizing a union? Sort of like a contractor provides a bond for construction projects?

    While this is an excellent idea in theory, it will never work in practice, for two very important reasons:

    1. It demands responsibility and accountability from women.

    2. From a purely risk analytic standpoint, the costs of premiums would be so high as to be unaffordable. Women, by their very hypergamous and emotion-driven nature, present an inherently unacceptable risk to the idea of “insuring” martiage. It would be akin to trying to create a life insurance policy for a suicide bomber.

  89. @ The Mad A Rab said, “The worst part of these studies, in regards to how women work more hours is, often times the chores histrionically attributed to men around the house are not included as chores. Cutting grass, painting the house, cleaning gutters, car repair, home repair etc… are all over looked.”

    The next time you see a woman throw this, “A Wife’s unpaid time is so valuable” crap, demand they add up the costs to hire a plumber, land scaper, mechanic, electrician, appliance technician, painter, roofer or better yet, a 365 days/year pay for an armed security guard with no days off including overtime because we all now who’s going to check out what went bump in the night.

  90. Anon says:

    The next time you see a woman throw this, “A Wife’s unpaid time is so valuable” crap, demand they add up the costs to hire a plumber, land scaper, mechanic, electrician, appliance technician, painter, roofer or better yet, a 365 days/year pay for an armed security guard with no days off including overtime because we all now who’s going to check out what went bump in the night.

    You are assuming women have any interest in fairness or logic. They don’t.

    The good news is that a woman does not want her complaints to be resolved. What she wants is a man to laugh off her complaints, so that she can get aroused.

  91. feeriker says:

    The next time you see a woman throw this, “A Wife’s unpaid time is so valuable” crap, demand they add up the costs to hire a …

    Anon stole some of my thunder, but his point is correct. Economic logic might as well be advanced quantum physics or ancient Sumerian text as far as women are concerned.

  92. Dave says:

    The good news is that a woman does not want her complaints to be resolved. What she wants is a man to laugh off her complaints, so that she can get aroused.

    So true, so true. Women are like an ocean. Though it beats endlessly against the hills at the shore, it does not want to have its way, because its very existence depends on being confined. God never planned that the world would exist in absolute peace. By asking man to have dominion over His other creation, He introduced an eternal conflict into the world. The victor must constantly assert his position, and the vanquished must repeatedly seek to overthrow him.
    When the woman sinned and God said “He shall rule over thee”, He extended that conflict to man-woman relationships. The woman will therefore instinctively shit-test the man, and the man must maintain his frame, else he gets overthrown and gynocentricism results, as we now have in the west. Unfortunately, women hate gynocentricism, despite their unending clamor for it, because their very happiness depends on its absence.
    The good news, though, is that, the vanquished (men in this case) will not rest still; they will seek to overthrow their conquerors (women), either through passive (MGTOW), or active (Islamic) means. In either case, the eternal conflict continues unabated.

    …this sore travail hath God given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith…
    Ecclesiastes 1:13

  93. Looking Glass says:

    Insurance products almost all need regulatory approval. It’d never get through any Western Government’s bureaucracy.

  94. Anon said, “UMC Americans too have a 20% divorce rate. The wife maintains the marriage but instead becomes a high-maintenence, ungrateful white elephant, while still keeping the marriage in tact.”

    Having first hand experience with my best friend’s mother is a foreign bride, this is more common that people realize. She’s miserable, clingy and controlling.

  95. Hells Hound says:

    It could turn into conflict a la Spanish Civil War or the Irish Troubles. Or a weird mix of both.

    Maybe. But consider the Spain in 1936, or Belfast in 1969. The male population was mostly young, fit, pumping lots of testosterone, politically engaged, and more or less aware of the reality of armed conflict and weapon use (there were many veterans around). Today in the West, the male population is the opposite of all that.

  96. adam says:

    This reminds me of the difference between Mothers Day and Father’s Day. At least in our household growing up, Mothers Day meant waking early on Sunday to go to church, having nice presents for mom, a nice restaurant for dinner, and nice words to say. Fathers Day comes along a month later and we did much less, yet my dad would come down beaming about how great Father’s Day was because his family was present…

  97. Dave says:

    A wonderful sweet foreign bride married my client. I have no idea what he was making. She stayed with him about 3.5 years – enough time to get pregnant, have a baby, bring momma to look at the baby and boom – she is now getting $9k a month in alimony and child support.

    For every foreign woman who ends up this way, there are probably 10 American women who do the same.

  98. Chris says:

    @ The Question,

    There’s an “epithumia” in my heart for such a cultural change, but I doubt it. The Left has won the culture war. The legitimizing of gay marriage opened the door even wider for Marxist termites and it looks like the next step in their script is to validate pedophilia – at least when the perpetrator is a woman.

    Lately I find myself seeking out Bible verses that urge believers not to be afraid. But it’s like the fog from the John Carpenter movie: it’s closing in fast and there’s bad things in it.

  99. They Call Me Tom says:

    “From a purely risk analytic standpoint, the costs of premiums would be so high as to be unaffordable. Women, by their very hypergamous and emotion-driven nature, present an inherently unacceptable risk to the idea of “insuring” martiage. It would be akin to trying to create a life insurance policy for a suicide bomber.” –Feeriker

    Fair point. My thought was that perhaps having a third party involved could start correcting the problem that the state (and the families that raise women) created when it washed it’s hands of dealing with the problem. The majority of women will not control themselves, unless there is something shiny at the other end of the rainbow…or worse the threat of losing all the shinys is the cost of not controlling themselves.

    But, yeah, I know it’s pie in the sky, there has to be a way to protect marriage, and part of that would be to create a financial incentive in opposition to what the Partners of Divorce, Family & Law currently offer to women as a financial incentive for divorce.

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  101. PokeSalad says:

    They’ve bought into the beta blue pill feminine imperative, where they have to give up everything about themselves to “make her happy”, and then if their wives leave, they have nothing.

    This is where the principles of Game, ie abundance mentality and frame (and probably others), come into play. One can rail about the ‘evils’ of PUAs all you want, but the principles are there and useful to all men.

  102. I doubt housework is satisfactory for men for the kindness it does the wife. It can be cathartic for men because task completion is cathartic for men. We see entropy winning, after all it is a thermodynamic law that that crap (entropy) summed up in the universe will increase….always and forever, God set it in motion in fact with simple weeds in the garden. And men set out charged with holding entropy back enough to mark a certain number of years biologically alive until not alive, affording progeny the head start to keep a finger in the dike of chaos….and so on.

    We do that. We build shit, invent shit, clean and refine shit, organize shit, limit actual shit to safe handling and disposal….like that. We know that where we press back on entropy it resumes its crumbling effect when we release it . Men are therefore driven to maximize entropy minimization through force multiplication by invention.

    We invent things that multiply women’s entropy resisting efforts. When we started collectively fighting entropy and leaving the home to do it we hoped that someone could manage to hold status quo foe a few hours while we are absent. And we found that it is cold comfort to have a non linear thinker trying to fashion a daily counter attack to what amounts to an utterly predictable stable of chores and errands. The ability to see the future and avert an entropy event is precious, and lost on women who mostly cannot plan a weeks meals, wash laundry across the days of the week so that there is not a day a week with piles of dirty cloths pouring from the laundry room.

    The woman’s thoughts are entropy. They try and apply utter chaos onto a template of predictable disorder when they manage a home and end up stuck in minutia, Completion of minutia, giving over to all manner of flying squirrel distractions, these are considered normal because she is likely incapable of embracing the simplicity of the tasks required. She knows this and it makes her hate the work and resent the husband who attacks a task, completes it, and basks in the moments of static entropy.

    We like stalling entropy…..its not about feeling good that we help the wife. truth is, she shouldn’t need help in the sense it is represented in modern life. She wants to live a free range life in an environment of entropy restrained by his efforts as husband, father, and collectively as a worker.

  103. Daily Llama says:

    “When you suck at something and make every act a misery, it takes you twice as long to do it as someone competent and cheerful.”

    Women might sweat the small stuff. For a man, as long as a place is clean and relatively neat and decent looking, its good to go. For a lot of women decent isn’t good enough, the place has to look fabulous. Maybe that’s why they do twice as much housework? Maybe if women relaxed their perfectionism a bit they’d have less housework to do. On the other hand many of today’s women are outright slobs. Our own house is hygienically clean but looks very lived in. Nobody in my family cares about everything matching and looking like some magazine photo. And none of us spend inordinate time doing chores. We clean as we go and once a month hire a house keeper to do the big sweep so the rest of the month we just have to maintain.

    Asian foreign mail order brides specifically target North American and Western European men for our money and opportunity for their families to come abroad. They make no secret of that. If it were about looks or true love then why don’t they target South American, Eastern European or other men?

  104. feeriker says:

    They’ve bought into the beta blue pill feminine imperative, where they have to give up everything about themselves to “make her happy”, and then if their wives leave, they have nothing.

    This is where the principles of Game, ie abundance mentality and frame (and probably others), come into play. One can rail about the ‘evils’ of PUAs all you want, but the principles are there and useful to all men.

    A massive part of the cause of the problem that deti describes is the disappearance of any fraternal bodies wherein men can come to one another’s aid in times of struggle. In eras past male fraternal orders and groups, many of them rather loosely organized, played pivotal roles in men’s lives, serving as a sort of counter-balance to what was very often the female-dominated life of the home and the extended family.

    Alas, almost all of these are now gone or completely compromised in their effectiveness by both the infiltration of women into their ranks and by the weakened state of masculinity that is the result of at least three generations of unrelenting and toxic feminism that has been enforced as both law and social custom. The result is that men to not know how to commune and bond anymore. There is no longer a common body of male experience and wisdom that the average man can either share with others or benefit from when needed (this website of Dalrock’s might indeed be the closest now existing thing to one of the old fraternal orders that were once ubiquitous).

    THIS is why so many men ultimately are forced to confide in their wives on subjects that are absolutely inappropriate in terms of a woman’s ability to process or relate to. I think many men instinctively know this, but also know that they don’t have any other trusted male peers in whom to confide (one other ugly spillover cost of the social changes of the last half century has been the destruction of those attributes that traditionally characterized “friendship” or “comradery”) and are thus for all practical purposes on their own. It’s an awful situation to be in, and a man had better hope or be certain of the fact that he has a solid relationship with God through prayer, because God is truly the only one he’s going to be able to confide in or rely on.

  105. feeriker says:

    Asian foreign mail order brides specifically target North American and Western European men for our money and opportunity for their families to come abroad. They make no secret of that.

    And the ones who do “make no secret of that” are “NEXT!”ed in very short order. American men do more homework than you give them credit for.

    If it were about looks or true love then why don’t they target South American, Eastern European or other men?

    Because men from those parts of the world have a well-deserved reputation for being lazy, drunken, abusive, impecunious douchebags (i.e., the kind of men American women LOVE).

    But of course you already knew the answers to those questions.

    Give it a rest, sweetheart. Today’s grotesque American women know that they cannot compete on any level with women from Asia, Latin America, or EE and it galls them to no end. The whining and the horror stories are reminiscent of GM’s management in the 1970s spreading gloom and hellfire stories about Datsun, Toyota, and Mazda as those three companies were kicking GM’s ass into a bloody pulp in the car market.

  106. Daily Llama says:

    You’re right about Russian men having bad reputations for being abusive drunks but I’ve not heard other men having. You’re not going to get me to diss my brothers while putting Asian women on a pedestal they don’t deserve. AWALT. They are about resources and stuff. That’s why the American economy is 100% geared around fulfilling women’s desires for stuff and the ad angencies target women and only women. Women control the micro and macro economies. Look in your own home (if you have one) and tell me that 50% of the stuff there was bought by you to please you. You know 99% of it was bought by your wife or gf (if you have one) to please her.

    Women are hoarders. And then they complain about having to clean all the stuff they hoard.

  107. Dave says:

    But, yeah, I know it’s pie in the sky, there has to be a way to protect marriage, and part of that would be to create a financial incentive in opposition to what the Partners of Divorce, Family & Law currently offer to women as a financial incentive for divorce.

    Looking at it from a spiritual standpoint.
    Yes there is a way to protect marriage. But the church dropped the ball big time. The biggest mistake the Church made was to try and fight these spiritual battles using physical means only. Law suits. Picketing fences at abortion clinics. Writing opeds. Giving talks in the media. Etc. All well and good, but they are futile if not coupled with spiritual forces. It is like coming to a real gun fight with water guns.
    Make no mistake about it: the forces behind liberalism are first and foremost spiritual in nature. These forces which promote child sacrifices in the form of abortions, hedonism, atheism, homosexuality, and all forms of sexual perversion that is so revolting good men are choosing to be celibate, rather than be defiled with the flesh of these degenerates, could not have been from some Marxist ideas. They come from the devil himself as he works behind the scenes to deceive the whole world.
    We cannot face such onslaught of evil with the force of humans alone. We must appeal to the forces of the world to come. God gave Jeremiah a ministry which most appropriate for us today. For the lack of a better term, I call it The Ministry of Destruction, because Jeremiah’s mandate was to be twice as destructive as it was to be constructive. The enemies of the Lord had erected ungodly monuments, and it was Jeremiah’s job to tear them down.

    Then the Lord put forth his hand, and touched my mouth. And the Lord said unto me, Behold, I have put my words in thy mouth. See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant. Jeremiah 1:9,10

    We need Modern day Jeremiahs who will tear down many of these ungodly monuments, using spiritual means.

    …the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled
    2 Corinthians 10:4-6

  108. Opus says:

    When it comes to Mail Order Brides, and even if, they are slimmer, cuter, younger and fitter than the home-grown variety the down-sides do not outweigh the positives. I am well aware that all Anglo-American women are Monsters from Hell yet the horror stories I hear about imported female goods suggest that behind the brightly-coloured packaging the received product will prove just as faulty as might the home-grown – and you can’t(so to speak) get the spare parts.

    Bidding for your Cash-on-Delivery Spouse amounts to an admission that you cannot compete in the Marriage Market and therefore that being the case and no matter how cute she might be, everyone will be laughing at you behind your back much as you laugh at the EPL woman who returns home from North Africa or The Caribbean gushing that she has met the love of her life, a man twenty years younger than she and probably called Mohamed, Marco or Fernando. Of course he loves her and she is the hottest woman he ever met – he said so himself. Your Ting-Tong or Ustvolskaya won’t cut it either. Then there is the cultural Gap – it will not be long before there is the most almighty confusion over something the both of you take for granted – but you will be the one apologising for your countries strange ways. After that you will find that you are not just marrying her but will be persuaded to stump up for her children by her previous husband (they all have them and will move in with you), her spare income will be returned to her home country to support her indigent brother and finally her Mother will arrive for good, the one, that, looking like an Easter Island Statue is what, you will reflect, you will be looking at – should your marriage last, which it probably won’t – in thirty years or so.

    When two Anglo-Americans marry, two families join together; you will gain relatives-by-marriage, people like yourself and probably from the same town or region and thus of a similar culture forming a Unit with shared celebrations – but that is not what will happen if you indulge in asset-stripping the Third World Marriage Market. If that is the best you can do, then frankly, my dear, my view is, Don’t. Tomorrow, with new home-grown possibilities, is another day.

  109. BubbaCluck says:

    +1 to what Dave said!

    Might I add…
    “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places…”
    (Ephesians 6:12 NASB)

  110. We need Modern day Jeremiahs who will tear down many of these ungodly monuments, using spiritual means.

    I do not disagree. I have read words like these and heard them preached and stood for rallies etc. and prayed and been called to pray. Ive put money in place of mouth, Ive done prison ministry where the spiritual darkness is like syrup. I am not at all, not for an instant, claiming any credit or calling attention to myself. I tell those things to say, please say more. Say something, anything, that is more than what the above sentence says, or what it says when others essentially AMEN your assertion.

    Again, Im not disagreeing or pushing back at all. I get caught thinking sometimes however that these kinds of Christian statements seem to me to confuse saying with doing and lead to lots of….whats the old cliche…..actions so heavenly minded as to be little earthly good.

    My comment is sincere, not snark nor cynacism.

  111. The first paragraph is a quote. The reast, I closed my tag incorrectly

  112. Alex says:

    @NovaSeeker,
    I saw that same documentary, unless there were more than one such documentaries, and the transsexual was a young guy that actually looked and sounded like a girl, unlike the majority of transsexuals, and I noticed the same thing. They were trying to shame the guys initially interested in the show’s subject, for not being interested once they found out about his/her penis, throwing out accusations of homophobia – like the young guys should be so ashamed of their ‘homophobia’ that they should willing service the transsexual in order to prove their political correctness, and honor his sexual choice. The young men’s own sexual desires were irrelevant. Ridiculous logic.

  113. Dave says:

    I get caught thinking sometimes however that these kinds of Christian statements seem to me to confuse saying with doing and lead to lots of….whats the old cliche…..actions so heavenly minded as to be little earthly good.

    On the contrary. I am not advocating “spiritual-only” approach, but adding that dimension to what we are already doing. We should continue to write, speak, protest, and exchange ideas as we have been doing. But to get a different set of results than we have gotten so far, we may want to try something else in addition. That was my whole point. We cannot afford to get weary in standing for the truth. In the passage (quoted below), irrespective of who God was addressing originally, we can easily see that God’s intervention among humans is heavily dependent on the availability of other humans. Thus we are all heavily invested in what is happening in our world today. But we are not winning, so we must re-evaluate our strategies and adapt as necessary.

    Jeremiah 51:
    20 You are My battle-ax and weapons of war:
    For with you I will break the nation in pieces;
    With you I will destroy kingdoms;

    21
    With you I will break in pieces the horse and its rider;
    With you I will break in pieces the chariot and its rider;

    22
    With you also I will break in pieces man and woman;
    With you I will break in pieces old and young;
    With you I will break in pieces the young man and the maiden;

    23
    With you also I will break in pieces the shepherd and his flock;
    With you I will break in pieces the farmer and his yoke of oxen;
    And with you I will break in pieces governors and rulers.

  114. Novaseeker says:

    throwing out accusations of homophobia – like the young guys should be so ashamed of their ‘homophobia’ that they should willing service the transsexual in order to prove their political correctness, and honor his sexual choice. The young men’s own sexual desires were irrelevant. Ridiculous logic.

    Yes, the idea is that “you were attracted until you found out about the penis, which means that you’re allowing your own fear of having sex with someone who has a penis override your attraction — in other words, you’re afraid of being attracted to someone with a penis, so you have to run away and deny that you’re attracted once you know about the penis, and the only reason you would do that is because you are afraid of being gay or engaging in gay sex, because you think it is shameful”. That’s the “logic”, and it’s going to be repeated a lot in the years to come, believe me. Men who reject “women with penises” because they have penises are going to be shamed for doing so and considered bigots and homophobes.

  115. Anon says:

    Men who reject “women with penises” because they have penises are going to be shamed for doing so and considered bigots and homophobes.,

    I wouldn’t worry about this. The biggest problem with the FI is that female primacy is part of the innate hardwiring of humans.

    Attraction to penises is not (for 97%+ of men), and I don’t think this can be enforced, no matter what SJWs want. The few men who get trapped are men who were pursuing ugly women anyway (manginas), so they deserve it.

    A lot of other things will correct before it gets far enough for non-manginas to be affected. Among other things, men will convert to Islam en masse* if that is the only way to avoid being forced into having sex with other men..

    *Islam also has a lot of homosexuality, but it is not compatible with this sort of SJW tactic.

  116. kaminsky says:

    Why does it have to go zinging off to the binary end of ‘mail order, cash on delivery’ when it comes to foreign brides? Why not add in a ‘tumbling out of a cargo container with a bone through their nose, logging on to Jezebel with the latest I-phone’ in order to bolster the weak generalization you’re trying to pull off.

    What about simply meeting a cool foreigner, either while in the US, living overseas, online, and making a good decision after a respectably lengthy relationship?

    How about; there are good and bad foreign women, choose carefully?

    And I guess The Donald just ‘couldn’t compete’ in the marriage market. Guys buying into the ‘Foreign girls are for losers’ canard is straight from a female’s mind, right through your FI-hijacked brain and out your mouth (or fingers).

  117. Patrick says:

    The whole point of being a woman is to be useful. This is why St. Francis of Assisi wrote in The Canticle of the Sun,

    Be praised, my Lord, through Sister Water;
    she is very useful, and humble, and precious, and pure.

    Be praised, my Lord, through Brother Fire,
    through whom You brighten the night.
    He is beautiful and cheerful, and powerful and strong.

    Highlighting feminine features of usefulness and humility is the exact opposite of what preachers do today when they talk about women. It’s always, “women are so beautiful, women are the crown of creation,” and so forth. Women are useful, humble and precious, but not feminist women. It’s interesting, too, that St. Francis instinctively considered “beauty” to be a masculine trait. It’s the reverse of today, where men are supposed to be the ones who are useful and humble.

  118. feeriker says:

    How about; there are good and bad foreign women, choose carefully?

    Notwithstanding the fact that it’s (what once was referred to as) “common” sense, this is an intolerable thought to modern American she-beasties, who will never relinquish the belief that American men are nothing but perpetually erect penises with brain stems. There’s too much invested in the current narrative to consider any alternative (truth-based) theories.

  119. feeriker says:

    Guys buying into the ‘Foreign girls are for losers’ canard is straight from a female’s mind, right through your FI-hijacked brain and out your mouth (or fingers).

    More than anything else that stems from being too lazy or too intimidated to get up off of their complacent arses and put forth the effort to do what they know needs to be done in order to give themselves some viable alternatives. It’s much easier to wallow in their own misery while shaming other men who’ve actively and successfully made the extra effort to alleviate theirs.

  120. American says:

    I do my own housework as a single bachelor. It’s not difficult. I just turn on some good music, brew a pot of coffee, and jump in and do it. No problem. And, I don’t have to listen to some female screeching at me the whole time because no females are allowed in my residence. Peace. Blissful peace.

  121. jonakc1 says:

    what is with this obsession to make men run homes and do housework.
    Why do people assume that men that refuse to pretend they are women and perform homemaking tasks, DO NOT care for their home?!!
    Is not providing, protecting, leading etc caring
    since when did men have to show how domestic they are to feel good about themselves?!!

    I do not recall a single man in the bible being praised for his homemaking skills…

  122. Opus says:

    I have yet to meet a Tranny who has the ‘scent of a woman’. If, however, it is now bigoted to reject a woman for having a penis, would it also be morally wrong to reject a woman for wearing a Strap-on? – there was a case in England a little while ago where a strap-on woman was successfully prosecuted, her ‘victim’ claiming that she would not have indulged in the arranged anonymous sex with a person she had not and was not allowed to see had she known that it was not a real Penis!

    If a woman takes up with a Tranny (I have known two couples of this make-up) is she a Lesbian or Straight?- and what about the Tranny?

  123. Minesweeper says:

    @Opus
    “however, it is now bigoted to reject a woman for having a penis,”

    “There are no chick with dicks…, just men with tits” ((and makeup))
    — The book of Ted.

    Who would have thought a crude talking bear makes more sense than the SJW\FI narrative coming out of academia.

  124. Hmm says:

    I see the whole trans-sex case first entering colleges as a specific example of a more general sexual pressure that is already applied. Pretty soon, the whole college “sexual orientation” will include expecting an answer of “yes” to the question, “Have you ever had sex with someone of your own gender, or with someone who is transsexual?” Those who answer “no” and are unwilling to will be stigmatized.

    Ten years after that, companies will be allowed to ask that question on job applications.

  125. Hmm says:

    Oh, and this just in from the “cash and prizes” division:
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/johnny-depp-denies-attacking-wife-8073370

  126. Minesweeper says:

    @Hmm,

    This is both great and sad, its great in that how we will see the FI working in the public sphere, that her cheating (allegedly) is allowed but him getting angry wasn’t. SO yeah public cuckoldry for him if it wasnt a girl she was cheating with. Not quite sure why he wouldnt have had her over for a threesome – but hey – each to his own…🙂

    Amber and Nag-me, really flying the flag for female kind.

  127. Minesweeper says:

    @Hmm, the other corollary also proves itself,

    “there is no fool like an old fool” – particularly when it comes to young women.

  128. kaminsky says:

    For something like 40 to a hundred million, you’d think she could find the grit to put that trifling welt on the cheek herself. It’s exactly on the very point of where a person would tap their own cheek to bring up a welt.

  129. Dave says:

    What about simply meeting a cool foreigner, either while in the US, living overseas, online, and making a good decision after a respectably lengthy relationship?

    That’s the question folks aren’t asking. I plan to marry before the end of the year. My bride to be is a 24 year old beautiful, chaste Christian woman introduced to me by an old time friend. She is a foreign woman, and feminine as they come. You could sense the innocence, the love with abandon, the vulnerability. American women can’t compete in a hundred years.
    A word of caution though. Many good foreign women don’t fancy lengthy courtships. In my experience, it’s only in the West that insane amount of time is spent “dating”, even after meeting a potential spouse; foreign women are expected to marry and become wives within a year or less of meeting their future husbands, all things being equal. Otherwise, their families may start asking questions.

  130. feeriker says:

    I plan to marry before the end of the year. My bride to be is a 24 year old beautiful, chaste Christian woman introduced to me by an old time friend. She is a foreign woman, and feminine as they come. You could sense the innocence, the love with abandon, the vulnerability. American women can’t compete in a hundred years.

    Let the shaming and screeching by our resident EAPs and their gloom-and-doom white knight enablers begin.

  131. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Regarding Johnny Depp, one female commentator posted that “It serves him right for marrying a child.”

    A child? Amber Herd is 30. True,she’s over 20 years younger than Depp. But still, she married him at an age — 28 or 29 — wherein a woman should be mature enough to know what she’s getting into, and what the phrase “lifetime commitment” means.

    Only in today’s West can a 30-year-old woman still be regard as a “child” and thus not responsible for her actions. Even many fortysomething women are still children, living their lives on social media, living vicariously through celebrities, seeking celebrity mates, and abandoning the consequences when reality doesn’t meet fantasy.

  132. @Dave

    I suspect most of us here that are Christians are aware we are in spiritual battle and familiar with those and other spiritual battle scriptures. Please do not take that as criticism for sharing the scriptures here or anywhere anytime. They are to be quoted and used among believers as anchors and strengtheners. I’m not saying dismissively “yea we already know that”.

    On the contrary. I am not advocating “spiritual-only” approach, but adding that dimension to what we are already doing. We should continue to write, speak, protest, and exchange ideas as we have been doing. But to get a different set of results than we have gotten so far, we may want to try something else in addition.

    If you read here much, and if you have for long, and followed some links to the bloggers fortunate enough to have Dalrock list them on the right, its surprising to me to see it suggested to we add a spiritual effort to our other efforts.

    Its actually more worrisome in this context to see assertions like this made by you as opposed to someone who perhaps only read here for a day or two. They could truly be making a suggestion about something that is missing as far as they know.

    Now, if your suggestion were more practical such as actually getting some sort of group together virtually or otherwise, or recommending certain times when believers pray certain scriptures over certain things, certain events or problems…..then it is possible. But saying we need to add a spiritual element makes me unpleasantly remember those in my past that I label evangelically arrogant. Not you Dave, I don’t know you at all so cannot make the charge. But it gets very close to a kind of coaching, or even motivational speaking, and it lowers the scriptures in my mind when Ive encountered these men who , if they walked into a room of monks in sack cloth and hair shirts self flagellating and reciting scriptures, they would say “I can see what the trouble is here,You guys need to add a spiritual element”

  133. Novaseeker says:

    Aaaaaaand … Canadian conservatives have now officially dropped support for traditional marriage from their platform. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/conservatives-end-official-opposition-to-gay-marriage/article30197721/ Only a matter of time until US conservatives follow suit. Conservatism proving, again that it is mostly useful for conserving the “gains” achieved by progressives, and is no real opposition other than at times slowing down change that otherwise inevitably takes place the way progressives want it. Utterly useless.

  134. >>Men who reject “women with penises” because they have penises are going to be shamed for doing so and considered bigots and homophobes.

    That is the first step and it is already well advanced. The next step is to make it compulsory. I have said it before and I will say it again: Within 4 years or so it will be REQUIRED that you service a Tranny or Homosexual man. He will whip it out on the subway and if you don’t drop to your knees and service it immediately ALL the women in earshot will howl and scold you for “Transphobia” and “hate speech.” ALL the women will scowl at the offending man. Some of the women will contact your boss at work complaining about your hate speech. Men WILL be fired for refusing to service a tranny on the subway within 4 years. Watch for it.

    The next step after that is to outlaw heterosexual sex (because it is “rape”) and make gay/transexual sex mandatory under penalty of law (because to do otherwise is “hate”).

    No I am not being satirical or sarcastic. THAT is exactly where this is headed.

    >>>”Modern day Jeremiah’s to tear down the altars of Baal.

    The first altar to tear down is marriage. It no longer exists in the West because the “agreement” is COMPLETELY one sided. Men promise their children, their income, their lives, their fidelity and this is strictly enforced. Women promise to “have and to hold from this day forth” but just try to directly “force” her to fulfill her marital vows.

    If the woman’s vows (to sex up her husband) were enforced like the mans vows (to forsake all others) then every time a man was denied sex he could call the sex police who would show up within seconds at his door, beat the hell out of the wife, drag her off in chains, and lock her up with thugs and rapists where she will be beaten further and probably sexually assaulted. Then in the divorce, the man would get the kids, the house, child support and alimony from his “unfaithful” wife. Bonus: The woman would be disgraced, lose all her friends, be kicked out of church, and forced to live in a single bedroom apartment in the inner city.

  135. JDG says:

    kaminsky says:
    May 28, 2016 at 10:14 pm

    Why does it have to go zinging off to the binary end of ‘mail order, cash on delivery’ when it comes to foreign brides? …

    … And I guess The Donald just ‘couldn’t compete’ in the marriage market. Guys buying into the ‘Foreign girls are for losers’ canard is straight from a female’s mind, right through your FI-hijacked brain and out your mouth (or fingers).

    Thank you for writing this. I was going to reply to what Opus had to say in detail, but frankly I’m too tired right now and it gets old having to refute the same old nonsensical fallacies again and again.

  136. Dave II says:

    @bluepillprofessor, if you don’t mind me asking, why on earth do you believe servicing a tranny will be required, let alone in 4 years? I am curious since you claim you are not being sarcastic. If you are right, then in 4 years I will either be in prison, on the run or no longer on God’s green earth.

    @ Dave, congrats on the engagement.

  137. greyghost says:

    Dave II you left one option out. You could be in command of a battalion insurgence destroying the government that tried to imprison you for not sucking that tranny penis.
    If what “bluepill” predicts doesn’t happen you an thank the armed citizen.

  138. JDG says:

    I plan to marry before the end of the year. My bride to be is a 24 year old beautiful, chaste Christian woman introduced to me by an old time friend. She is a foreign woman, and feminine as they come.

    Let the shaming and screeching by our resident EAPs and their gloom-and-doom white knight enablers begin.

    Let them shame away.

    I could have married any one of five attractive local born girls before choosing my foreign born wife if, and I mean if, I was willing to jump through the right hoops and say and do the things those women wanted to hear and see.

    This loser could see the writing on the wall and chose instead to marry the woman whose character more closely aligned to what the Bible says it should be. Odd that she was born in a country where women were raised to honor their men and feminism didn’t exist.

    So, if that makes me (and several of my friends and acquaintances) a failure in the marriage market, I say call me (us) a loser. Better to be a loser with an obedient and respectful wife than a winner with a harpy / Jezebel bent on destroying everything worthwhile in the marriage.

    “An excellent wife is the crown of her husband, but she who brings shame is like rottenness in his bones.” – Prov 12:4

  139. Opus says:

    The horror stories that I hear – at close and not so close hand – of foreign wives are truly frightening. I never hear these stories of home-grown home-counties wives. This may be because the home-grown wife, working in a well-paid occupation and thus having something financially to lose should she divorce, knows that Divorce will even with the Misandrist Laws that favour her, greatly reduce her social status. Being reduced to living in a former Council House is something one cannot easily magic-away or reduce to insignificance. This is not the case with the immigrant who at best has minimum-wage-slave employment and for whom Council Housing is grand by the standard of the shanty-town from where she hails and privately sees her husband as a Sex-fiend and closet-Rapist for she knows that the only reason he went on-line for a Bride was because he could no longer cut-it with native home-counties woman. Marriage (as Caesar – or it may have been Suetonius – said) is for the young. He, of course, gets a lot of Bang for his Bucks. Were there equality of income between his country and hers she would never have looked at him and he would have been forced to retain his InCel status. She knows this; is thus contemptuous of his neediness and acts upon this knowledge.

    It would be nice to think that Christianity is some sort of armour whereby a Vow to exclude all others is effective against female unhaapiness,or at lleast the acting thereon, but although many people claim to be Christians, I see – and statistics apparently bear me out – that the success rate of Christian marriage is really no higher than for the non-believer.

    I have never heard of Donald Trump and so I looked him up. I see that he is a famous television personality who has failed – so far – twice at marriage: Wife Number one was a Czech divorcee; Wife number two was Canadian and Wife number three is a Serb who looks like a Tranny. Compare that with handsome George Clooney who wisely married the all-British Mrs Clooney. Mrs Clooney looks like First Lady material (and you are welcome to her). Notice how British Royalty do not marry overseas; notice what happened in Paris to the late Lady Di when she went EPL. Can one really get cuter than Kate Middleton? – or her sister with the cute culo?

    Your experience may vary. Terns and Conditions apply.

  140. feeriker says:

    I was going to reply to what Opus had to say in detail, but frankly I’m too tired right now and it gets old having to refute the same old nonsensical fallacies again and again.

    Agreed. A waste of energy and words. Concrete heads aren”t going to magically and suddenly turn to spounge.

  141. Feminist Hater says:

    Opus, that was epic trolling! I like it!

    Compare that with handsome George Clooney who wisely married the all-British Mrs Clooney.

    ROTFLMAO!

  142. Anon says:

    Again, it is safe to say that a foreign bride from a non-Western country may carry somewhat less risk than a Western woman, but individual results can vary a LOT, based on a variety of factors. Plus, the risk increases as more years pass as more cumulative media is consumed and the alimony/CS windfall accrues.

    The same is true for a small-town, religious American girl with few divorces in her family to date. She may remain in those values forever, or erode over time. Hence, a small-town, religious American girl is highly analogous to a foreign woman in terms of whether her values sustain over time or not…

  143. Anon says:

    bluepillprofessor,

    Men WILL be fired for refusing to service a tranny on the subway within 4 years. Watch for it.

    This is far too alarmist. It will not go that far.

    Under your prediction, women will simultaneously be required to service men pretending to be women, etc. That will not happen, so your prediction will not happen.

  144. JDG says:

    Okay Opus you got me. I thought your “losers” post was strange coming from you. I should have known better. I’m taking off my hat.

  145. Jessica says:

    “I’m now convinced that much of the western world, western women in particular, would benefit immensely by being reduced to the status of starving beggars on the very edge of survival.” – feeriker

    I rarely comment here, since its a male space. But this was too close to something I’ve been saying for the past few years… too many imaginary oppreshuns, too many totally invented battles because we are too soft. And of course we women going totally off the reservation and making everyone miserable because of it. We do need a semi apocalypse to remind us of what is real and what is false.

  146. Jim says:

    I rarely comment here, since its a male space. But this was too close to something I’ve been saying for the past few years… too many imaginary oppreshuns, too many totally invented battles because we are too soft. And of course we women going totally off the reservation and making everyone miserable because of it. We do need a semi apocalypse to remind us of what is real and what is false.

    Yup. Seems like us humans need our collective asses humbled once in awhile. Humans grow under adversity and spoil under prosperity I’m sorry to say. Human nature is a bitch.

  147. Opus, you had me going until you said you never heard of Trump and his tranny-looking third wife.

  148. Are we in agreement that foreign brides attenuates the risk at least somewhat from a purely statistical perspective.

    The real interesting question is how much risk do we need to attenuate before marriage becomes a viable option again? We don’t need to make it a “good deal for men” (because that is never going to happen) but I wonder how much we really need to shift the bar.

    And to all those who think I am insane, wrong, or trolling when I talk about tranny demands, y’all didn’t think gay marriage could ever possibly be a thing. Mark it on the calendar. There will be cases like I describe in 4-5 years. The Overton Window and all that. Don’t think that there will be ANY social pressure on women to similarly perform in the coming dystopia.

  149. Anon says:

    And to all those who think I am insane, wrong, or trolling when I talk about tranny demands, y’all didn’t think gay marriage could ever possibly be a thing.

    That is like comparing the invasion of Granada in 1984 to World War 2.

    Mark it on the calendar. There will be cases like I describe in 4-5 years.

    There is a difference between one case in a country of 320 million vs. the wholesale tyranny thrust upon all men that you are describing.

    Your prediction, while certainly what some SJWs may want, is not going to go anywhere. No one else on this thread thinks that level of extreme threatpoint is going to happen. Mandatory blowjobs for other men on the subway? Really? Enforced by all onlooker women?

  150. greyghost says:

    Under your prediction, women will simultaneously be required to service men pretending to be women, etc. That will not happen, so your prediction will not happen.

    What makes you think or anybody think knowing what we know women will be required to do a damn thing. Nobody requires anything from women.

  151. Hmm says:

    I guess from the FI viewpoint, we just aren’t killing off men as well as we used to. Still, it may affect the value equation in relationships.

  152. Hells Hound says:

    @Hmm

    Meh. The importance of the sex ratio tends to be overrated in the mainstream media and the Manosphere as well. Look at China, where the lopsided sex ratio theoretically benefits women. Well, the number of aging women unable to find “eligible” husbands is so great that the local media has started focusing on it. They’re called “leftover women”, and the whole issue is seen as a growing social problem. Likewise, a sex ratio that should theoretically benefit men doesn’t actually translate to better sexual opportunities for betas. This has been discussed extensively on Rollo’s blog and J4G before it was deleted. There are campuses in the USA where women outnumber men 3 to 2, yet the betas still pretty much live in a sexual desert. When compared to female hypergamy, the effect of the sex ratio is largely marginal.

  153. Hmm says:

    @HH: Point taken.

  154. Minesweeper says:

    Sweden its like watching cuckoldry occur at the national level.

  155. greyghost says:

    Minesweeper
    The Swedish don’t seem to mind. They must be “real men” making any and all sacrifices to make “pumpkin” is happy.

  156. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    India also has a serious over-supply of men: http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/16/indias-man-problem/?_r=1

    Yet the situation is not hindering hypergamy. One of the comments questions the article because Indian newspapers still carry more ads seeking grooms than ads seeking brides.

    What the commentator doesn’t understand is that the prevalence of ads seeking grooms does not indicate a shortage of men — but a shortage of men that women find desirable.

  157. Minesweeper says:

    @GG, from a country that followed God to a atheist, feminist, islamic state in 2 generations, its something to behold, just how fast the rot can set in when you let it.

  158. Minesweeper says:

    Im not sure when Sweden was last considered a Christian country, but I certainly cant remember. Maybe there is still a few holdouts, I wouldn’t want to speculate what will happen to them.

  159. Looking Glass says:

    @Minesweeper:

    With England and most of the North European Countries, there’s a strong argument that the committed Christians mostly fled to the Colonies (then the States) over the past 400 years. The problem is, for the first time in human history, there’s really no where left to “run” to. That’s when it’s going to get ugly again.

  160. Just Saying says:

    failure to make men miserable

    The problem is that women are the source of their own miserableness – men do not suffer from this and thus tend to be happier in general. This is for a simple reason, men understand naturally that happiness comes from within – no one can “make” you happy, you either choose to be happy, or not. It is that simple. Women choose not to be happy and thus seek it out and blame others (men) when they cannot find it. It is the nature of the beast. Men enjoy women, but their happiness is self-contained so they can still be happy when women do everything they can to make them miserable. Of course, all this does is make men leave the source of the constant irritation – women. The women, then blame the men as they are now unhappy that they have no one to take their anger and misery out on.

    Women really are easy to understand once you accept that they will always find a reason to be unhappy, and nothing you can do will change that. So enjoy them – but never tie yourself to a source of irritation.

  161. feeriker says:

    Women really are easy to understand once you accept that they will always find a reason to be unhappy, and nothing you can do will change that.

    Yup.

    This really should be common (sense) knowledge by now, like the fact that fire needs oxygen to burn. But, alas …

  162. Col Trautman says:

    @Looking Glass,

    “The problem is, for the first time in human history, there’s really no where left to “run” to.”

    I had that discussion the other day. This time there will be no America to counterbalance collective decay.

  163. Dale says:

    @Dave
    >I plan to marry before the end of the year. My bride to be is a 24 year old beautiful, chaste Christian woman introduced to me by an old time friend. She is a foreign woman, and feminine as they come.

    May God give you both wisdom and a willingness to serve and sacrifice. Wish you the best.

  164. SecretSquid says:

    I thought Dave was already married. Did he get divorced? Also, Dave said American women can’t compete in a hundred years. I thought Dave said one time that there are so many virgin women in their 30s in the American churches unless he was talking about just foreign women who came to America. He acted as though there is a virgin woman for every man. If Dave is divorced, why didn’t he marry one of these women in their 30s instead of robbing a younger man of a younger virgin women. What? Are the women in their 30s not feminine enough for you, but they should be for other men?

    Let the hate comments begin.

  165. gargoylevirgin01 says:

    I thought Dave was already married. Did he get divorced?

  166. Daily Llama says:

    “Bidding for your Cash-on-Delivery Spouse amounts to an admission that you cannot compete in the Marriage Market and therefore that being the case and no matter how cute she might be, everyone will be laughing at you behind your back much as you laugh at the EPL woman who returns home from North Africa or The Caribbean gushing that she has met the love of her life, a man twenty years younger than she and probably called Mohamed, Marco or Fernando. Of course he loves her and she is the hottest woman he ever met – he said so himself. Your Ting-Tong or Ustvolskaya won’t cut it either. Then there is the cultural Gap”

    Yep. My neighbor married a Filipina and when they had a kid he refused to let her teach him Tagalog. What he had against being bi-lingual I’ll never guess but it cost him his family and the now grown kid is currently working overseas and learning 2 additional languages. Good on him.

  167. Original Laura says:

    @Novaseeker: If a “female” used to be male, and begins dating a heterosexual male, at what point does “she” reveal to him that she has male genitalia? At the beginning of the first date? The third date??? At some point, the failure to mention one’s transsexuality becomes a lie, and people do not like to be in a relationship with a liar.

    Lots of people break off dating somebody who turns out to be deeply in debt, or has multiple prior spouses or illegitimate children or a venereal disease or criminal record. Why can’t a man decide that he only wants a female who was BORN female? Nobody thinks anything is terribly amiss if a man strongly prefers to date blue-eyed blondes, university graduates, or Southerners. The Germans say that there is a pot for every lid. There are obviously people who don’t have a problem with dating transsexuals, but nobody can guarantee transsexuals that they won’t be rejected by most people, just as morbidly obese people are generally rejected in the dating and marriage markets. The trannies should be open about who they are and what they are looking for. They will not have as many dating prospects, but they will spare themselves a whole lot of dramatic rejection scenes. The fact that for many of them their dating strategy seems to be based on fooling somebody else for as long as possible seems to indicate deep character issues and perhaps a desire for dramatic rejection scenes.

    Sexual orientation is hard to change and we all need to accept everyone else’s orientation. At least this has been the unending progressive message for the past 50 years. Why can’t a man just say that he isn’t attracted to transsexuals? Lots of people are attracted to self-confidence. Maybe people fear that a transsexual is self-loathing and that that psychological problem has manifested itself in a rejection of his/her biological reality? Milo Yiannopoulos says that the trannies are mentally ill and need psychiatric care, not surgery, as they have a very high suicide rate, etc. whether they have the surgery or not. From what I can tell, transsexuals seem to have a very high need to be the center of attention, which is a marker for narcissism and immaturity, both of which tend to ruin relationships in a hurry.

    If the heterosexual male hopes to father biological children, is this now considered wrong in the eyes of those who bring us reality television? Is he not allowed to choose a “partner” who is likely to be able to give him children? The reality TV people are setting up a situation in which everybody is in on the “secret” except the male heterosexual. Then they film the fireworks that result when the guy realizes that he has been tricked into doing something that violates his personal beliefs and made to look like a complete fool who can’t tell a man from a woman.

  168. SecretSquid says:

    No respone!?!? Yeah, I thought so, Dave. By the way, I saw that comment on that other Dalrock’s where you were whining about that you’re about to give up, give up, give up. Did I ever say that I was about to give up? Did I? No! Looks like I caught you with your underwear down yet you’ll still deny it, divorce boy.

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  170. SecretSquid says:

    Here is a video to describe what is happening with the manosphere, as he says in the description box is inspired by the double think of Aaron Clarey, Benard Chapin, and Rocking Mr. E, including Christian manosphere guys like cough Dave cough. A guy who divorced and is going to remarry is going to beat his chest at me!?!? and call me the insults that the guy in the video describes below. Doesn’t the Bible say any man who divorces his wife and marries another has committed adultery in his heart. Isn’t the punishment for adultery stoning!? After all Dave said, we need to apply the law and its punishments to enforce it otherwise it is just advice. Good idea. Let’s start with you! I questioned Joshua Harris once and some people got insulted by it on this blog. Guys like Joshua Harris, and Dave on this blog, seem to think that by having a grand wedding with a priest and a big cross hanging overhead, one can wash their sexual sins and previous marriages away as if it never happened. Now they can have sex with any number women they want like a PUA except the former pays for a wedding to do it.

    Later, you losers and hypocrites! The Black Pill blog was right. Dalrock’s blog attracts so many bitter and divorced old men who are pretending to be something they are not.

    If you don’t feel like watching the whole 10 minute video, skip to 6:20 to get his overall points.

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