Why can’t he find men to marry the women he is teaching to have contempt for men?

The “Friendly Atheist” at Patheos has a new post going viral titled Christian Pastor Says Men Who Play Video Games Are Losers Possessed by a “Retarded Spirit”

Pastor Gene Lingerfelt goes off on men who play Xbox, blaming “that retarded spirit” for why beautiful young women in the church can’t find dates.

The post links to a video which appears to have been deleted, but the post contains a still and excerpts from the original video.

And don’t even get me started on the Xbox. And all of that. If you have callouses on your thumbs, you’re a loser. If you’re more than 18 years old and you’re still jackin’ around with that stuff… [does “L” gesture].

I curse that spirit in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

There are young gals in this church. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful young gals, and you know why they can’t get a date? ‘Cause that retarded spirit got onto young men.

This is all crowd pleasing stuff for modern Christians, and calling other men retarded and losers is how a pastor can set himself up as the only real man in the room.  Very few conservative Christians would have objected to the parts of the video transcribed in the post, but the Friendly Atheist found it shocking.

I recently covered the social changes driving the delay in marriage, so I won’t rehash that here.  Aside from the larger social changes I can offer another reason non retarded young Christian men might not be lining up to marry the women in Pastor Lingerfelt’s congregation;  wise men don’t want to marry a rebellious woman.  Not only are the women in Pastor Lingerfelt’s congregation receiving a constant barrage of feminist messages from the culture telling them they are better than men and encouraging them to to rebel against headship, they receive the same corrosive messages from Pastor Lingerfelt himself:

Some of you women, you have my permission — blame me. He come home — I’m talking about your husband come home, and that’s gone. And don’t just throw it in the trash — he’ll go fish it out — you gotta put in the bathtub full of water before you throw it in the trash. Now don’t do that while it’s plugged in… [Laughter]

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  2. Steve says:

    While I agree that video games are a trap for men, what this pastor is encouraging women to do is ridiculous.

    Also, I find that the young women in churches that the young men are supposed to be marrying, are so mouthy bold, and entitled.

  3. rugby11 says:

    It’s always on the man. But complimentary stuff is grand.

  4. Pedat Ebediyah says:

    This guy…sheesh.

    My response to him would be the same response I made to Jeff Riddle concerning MGTOW.
    http://www.jeffriddle.net/2016/02/a-christian-response-to-mgtow.html

    Xbox? Xbox? That’s all you got, Pastor.

    And this tongue-in-cheek encouraging women to touch – and discard – anything that doesn’t belong to them, is irresponsible and dangerous. He’s saying he’ll take in this woman for a while, and all of her shit that I just threw out into the street – along with her. And he’s going to pay the bill for what she destroyed – or he’ll get his fronts pushed in.

    I’m sorry bros, but something about that just rubbed me all the wrong way. He’s way out of his lane with that one…I don’t care if he was only playing.

    Some other dude told you to do what? With my stuff? At that point, he’s not anyone’s Pastor, he’s an interloper who will get dealt with just like one.

    And I don’t even play video games…much less would I want any of the sooty broads in his fold either. Buster!

  5. feeriker says:

    A special place in hell awaits this “pastor,” all the other ordained white knight frauds like him, and the pussy-worshiping, spineless laytoadies that enable them.

    If there were any real men in his congregation they would have beaten him to a bloody pulp and tossed him out into the street with orders never to return after hearing shite like that rant. But of course no “man” worthy of the name sets foot anywhere near a “church” run by a PoS like this.

  6. feeriker says:

    I’m sorry bros, but something about that just rubbed me all the wrong way. He’s way out of his lane with that one…I don’t care if he was only playing.

    Some other dude told you to do what? With my stuff? At that point, he’s not anyone’s Pastor, he’s an interloper who will get dealt with just like one.

    Like I said, until pussy-worshiping pieces of shite like this assclown get “set straight” by real men who mean business when he oversteps his bounds as he did here, this is just going to continue to get worse and worse.

  7. enrique says:

    This “Only Real Man in the Room” stuff is out of control. It’s like a soothsayer who claims to know when you are going to die–you get immediate attention from your pre-selected crowd of cucks and womynz like it was the most interesting, righteous and true narrative ever told or heard.

    All these so-called pastors are passive-aggressive man-boys (ironically), who, on the average, could never control men or dare to credibly challenge men in any actual sphere of real, diverse interaction (the military, fighting, sports, gambling, corporate America). They constantly harp at other men for not growing up and being “real men” etc etc, when they make their living appealing to women’s reception of virtue signaling. It’s all phony.

    Are any Christian leaders not Cucked? Seriously. I never see these kinds of topics discussed in the Masjid (most Jummah’s are not social commentary, but more historical and self-betterment if anything). Why is this such common theme within (particularly Evangelical) Christianity?

  8. Anonymous Reader says:

    Hey, does this mean that married churchgoing men have the right to:

    * Toss out their wive’s copies of “Twilight” (including the DVD’s), fanfic “50 Shades of Gray”, all rom-porn (especially the new shape-changing genre), etc.?
    * Prohibit their wives from viewing such things at other women’s houses?
    * Ban them from Facebook and other social media that takes time away from couple bonding?

    Of course the answer is obvious. Only peter-pan manboys are to blame for anything wrong. Godly women? Never.

    The comments on that article are sort of interesting, especially those from the nerdettes who enjoy gaming with their husbands / boyfriends / “significant others”.

    Another example of an out of touch Boomer shooting his mouth off to AMOG his church.
    If I had a supervisor like that, I’d look for a new job, even a lateral just to get out from under his authoriteh.

    Plus I bet he wonders why he can’t get Good Men To Step Up To Leadership, too.

  9. Neguy says:

    Dalrock, regarding age of marriage, I’d be interested in your perspective on this:

    https://www.census.gov/hhes/socdemo/marriage/data/acs/ElliottetalPAA2012presentation.pdf​

    See especially page 13,16, 28

    It looks to me like marriage age has gone up, but only after a major dip at mid-century. The trend vs. 1890 is not that extreme (at least for men – higher for women).

    Also, the percentage of never married women, particularly white women, at age 45 (and also 35 and 40) is in fact lower than at many previous points in the last century.

    Say what you will, the strategy appears to be working for them.

  10. feeriker says:

    Plus I bet he wonders why he can’t get Good Men To Step Up To Leadership, too.

    Like all such power-crazed demagogues, he doesn’t really want any men to step up and lead. Real men who would step up and truly lead would see right through his pathetic, pseudo-biblical bullshit and would call him on it without tolerating it for an instant. No, he says he wants men to “step up and lead,” but the only male assistance that petty tyrants like him will ever tolerate is from yes men who will do his bidding and ONLY HIS bidding.

  11. jew613 says:

    I am not christian so I am trying to understand how it is a good idea for a religious leader to encourage a woman to destroy a product that costs $500. Is the pastor serious, or is it a joke?

  12. Tom C says:

    Man up and marry those beautiful, beautiful, beautiful young gals who are entitled to and should be encouraged to destroy your property, you loser with a retarded spirit.

  13. Anon says:

    If the cuckservative pastor is troubled by video games, wait until the Oculus Rift and other VR gets into more male hands…

  14. Statistically speaking, the only 18 y.o. men in the contemporary church are those who were raised by parents who were themselves a part of that church’s culture. So, if these men are attached to their X-Boxes in preference to dating these “beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, young gals” in that same church culture perhaps it would serve the pastor better to analyze where that church upbringing has failed to prepare these men as well as the girls?

    I’m telling you, modern church culture is ripe for a christianese savvy PUA to exploit.

  15. seventiesjason says:

    I play SimCity on the computer….have not had a video game system since my Super NES back in 1992……and it has been regulated to a box somewhere in the closet with the fifteen or twenty games that probably has not been played since 1996.

    This is what I find strange……most single men I DO know in the church don’t play video games, or if they do….it’s merely as a short amusement. They don’t spend all day on it, not even hours day……..and if they get that bender where they kill a Saturday afternoon……….it’s not problematic.

    Beautiful women in church? By what standard? The most attractive women in church are usually too good for ANY man there…….and he has to meet the 20,000 things on her list of basic requirements.

  16. Days of Broken Arrows says:

    Wait a minute. Why videogames? Why not romance novels? What about the things on which women waste endless hours? Why not attack the endless parade of “shows” today’s women get hooked on. Netflix…HBO…Shonda Rhimes…there is so much of this that you can watch it practically ’round the clock. Women I know are so hooked on all their “shows” they can barely find time to do anything else.

    The reason this pastor attacked men is because we frown on men who are not being productive. We don’t hold women to the same standard. Men are supposed to be workers, first and foremost, and family men second. (We allow men to play sports and cheer for sports teams because it’s a metaphor for war, and we see men as warriors.)

    All of the above view evolved out of biology, so it’s not particularly “wrong” or misguided in the larger sense. But the reason it’s misguided in this context is because it’s men and only men coming in for judgement. Why not judge the women as well? The roles that women played for years also evolved out of biology: Wife and mother. Yet what would happen if a preacher started telling women to get rid of Netflix and put down “50 Shades” and instead grow up and tend to their man? I don’t need to answer that, do I?

  17. The Question says:

    It’s time for single Christian men to stop trying to reason with these people. It’s clear they don’t care what we think or what we say. They don’t want to consider the evidence stacked against them. If they had so much as a single ounce of intellectual curiosity they wouldn’t be spouting this nonsense.

    The Alt. Right has demonstrated how effective irony and sarcasm are in disabling your foe. That’s what has to be done, and I think many are realizing that. At this point sarcasm and irony are inevitable because they are all we have left. Sincerity and arguing in good faith has gotten us nowhere.

    It sounds harsh but the only thing left is to mock what they’re telling us to do in very blunt terms.

    “You need to man up and marry!”

    “Hold on. I’m waiting for this one good girl to finish with getting defiled by Harley McBadBoy; I can’t man up until she’s done “finding herself” by making all sorts of bad life choices with him. But I’m sure that will make her a better wife.”

    “Video games are for the retarded male soul!”

    “What? Sorry, I couldn’t hear you above the moans from the 50 Shades of Grey movie my girlfriend is watching. It’s kind of racy but she has another movie scheduled afterwards that’s much more wholesome. It’s just about how awesome it is for women to destroy their marriages and then hookup with exotic men who later marry them. She also reads romance novels about hunks ravaging young maidens but hey there’s no nude photos so it’s not pornography, right?”

    “You need to move out of your mother’s basement!”

    “I’m waiting for my future wife that I need to man up and marry to move out of Harley McBadboy’s place first.”

    Unvarnished truth is the sharpest shiv.

  18. As I’ve said in the last few threads, contemporary Christian culture is openly hostile to men. Whether it’s to an XBox or online porn or some other distraction, men are leaving the church in droves.

    The idea that church culture (and by extension the religion itself) would be expressly hostile to, or so unsupportive of, men to the point that a simple video game would be a sufficient enough distraction from it speaks volumes louder about that culture than the men being distracted from it.

  19. Anon says:

    Very few conservative Christians would have objected to the parts of the video transcribed in the post, but the Friendly Atheist found it shocking.

    So the atheist is closer to both the Bible and basic human decency than the cuckservative ‘Christians’ are..

  20. tweell says:

    Not seeing the video up any more. I guess it got the wrong type of attention.

  21. Spike says:

    The “Only Real Man In The Room” should have gone out with feminism. It is starting to wear thin in Christian circles just as much as feminism is getting rejected due to men waking up to the treachery of the game.
    What’s wrong with video games? Recently Ms Jennifer Lopez wrote a spiteful song called “I Ain’t Yo Mama”, in which she derides video games*. It’s almost as if a man in a relationship is not allowed to have down time, no allowed to enjoy himself, not allowed a break, hobbies or pleasure of any kind apart from what his woman gives him. It’s the same message here.

    If there are a lot of “Beautiful x 3 young women” who aren’t matched up in this guy’s church, perhaps he should look at why they aren’t. Could it be because they are a bunch of badgering, loud detestable harpies that are unsuitable for relationships?

    *Incidentally she also says she refuses to cook and clean for her man, and why the hell isn’t he loving her like he did in the early days of their romance?

  22. Anon says:

    Spike,

    If there are a lot of “Beautiful x 3 young women” who aren’t matched up in this guy’s church, perhaps he should look at why they aren’t.

    It goes without saying that none of those women are higher than a 6. Cuckservatives and manginas are notorious for overrating the looks of women to even a greater degree than women themselves do. If the cuckservative can only get a 4, then his next action will be to extol how pretty she is, so as to strengthen his denial about his low SMV.

    It’s almost as if a man in a relationship is not allowed to have down time, no allowed to enjoy himself, not allowed a break, hobbies or pleasure of any kind apart from what his woman gives him.

    Women hate *any* free time for men (see female reaction to the Superbowl) because the man is, at that particular moment, not producing resources that the woman can consume. What women hate the most is a group of guys having fun without any women. This represents a lot of resources not being produced, plus reminds women that maybe the guy doesn’t need her as much as she thinks.

  23. feeriker says:

    So the atheist is closer to both the Bible and basic human decency than the cuckservative ‘Christians’ are..

    Please tell me that this doesn’t shock you.

    Women hate *any* free time for men (see female reaction to the Superbowl) because the man is, at that particular moment, not producing resources that the woman can consume.

    Women hate male “downtime,” especially when spent in the company of other men, because it’s not about HER. The ultimate in intolerable is male down time that hubby spends in the company of single male friends. First of all, she’s not in control of him in such a setting. Second, his single friends, by their very presence, remind him of how hideous of a mistake it was to exchange that kind of freedom for enthralling himself to a sexless lifetime with a bitchy, contentious, domineering harpy who makes him regret every day of his existence.

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  25. feeriker says:

    *Incidentally she also says she refuses to cook and clean for her man

    J-Ho, cooking and cleaning (or trying to)?

    You could sell tickets to that event. Pure comedy gold (something about six monkeys trying to f*** a football).

  26. On the one hand: if he has a genuine issue with members of his congregation giving in to mindless entertainment and consumerism, then something ought to be done. On the other hand: men can be told directly that the time they spend on media is ridiculous, no need for passive-aggressive gammaness.

  27. Side note: Not saying men cannot or should not use media or have downtime. But from my experience, huge numbers of men in my age group can complain they have no time or money before spending an entire afternoon playing a £70 game. There is definitely a problem arising, where men are beginning to spend like women and, frankly, nobody should do that. Especially not the part where they call themselves a victim of circumstance afterwards.

  28. @superslaviswife,

    My friends all busy themselves in fake worlds of video games where they feel like they are succeeding. They win at video games. They’re all in their thirties now and all gone mgtow even though they have never heard the term. What else are they gonna do? Can’t get married as we destroyed marriage. The women they liked were too busy getting railed by bad boys to ever look their way. And now these guys just aren’t interested anymore.

    No one believes that a woman will in any way make your life better. And marriage is dead and gone. Our worthless sick society destroyed it in order to protect poor precious women from their vile husbands so that they could waste all their best years getting passed around like trash. And women fully endorsed all of this. Cheered it on.

    I don’t play video games. How would I have time to pick up the young trash and spin plates if I was wasting my time playing video games?

    Don’t get upset at men. They have zero reasons to stop playing video games and even start spinning plates. Marriage is dead and gone. I mean they are all unhappy about it. One guy told me on his thirtieth birthday that he feels like he should be married by now. And then he said, “but it’s good that I’m not. I could have ended up like you. Or Tommy.”.

    Those of us who did get married are divorce raped slaves that women all voted for. The “best” guys are just still married slaves working to make nests for ungrateful cheating women. And they don’t even have time to play video games.

    Look at the options men actually have. Maybe then you’ll stop being confused by men making the choices they make. It’s the choices our sick society gives us. Made even worse by churchianity. No guy even bothers to go hear about how awful they are and how they should man up and be some busted up used up sluts slave in fake marriage, until boredom does she leave. Still with your wallet in her pocket. That part is until death, of course.

  29. Dean Esmay says:

    Shaming men into marriage with no concern to their needs and desires and their own need for security is as terrible an idea as coddling women.

    Pastors who won’t call out women for bad behavior and have no empathy compassion or concern for men are shepherds leading their flock into a valley of wolves.

    Or they’re just setting themselves up to be a Harem Congregation, with a bunch of women flocked around the beaming pastor they adore because he never tells them anything they don’t want to hear.

  30. Mike T says:

    * Toss out their wive’s copies of “Twilight” (including the DVD’s), fanfic “50 Shades of Gray”, all rom-porn (especially the new shape-changing genre), etc.?
    * Prohibit their wives from viewing such things at other women’s houses?
    * Ban them from Facebook and other social media that takes time away from couple bonding?

    Of course the answer is obvious. Only peter-pan manboys are to blame for anything wrong. Godly women? Never.

    Godly women can view porn and talk to ex-boyfriends on Facebook all day with a heart on fire for God and not sin, so I don’t know what you’re talking about.

  31. Mike T says:

    Especially not the part where they call themselves a victim of circumstance afterwards.

    I don’t know the men you know, but I’ve never witnessed this among the millennial men I know. My attitude toward video games at home is really simple. I don’t let myself get into sports because I have enough time to choose a AAA title or watching sports or something else. I’d rather play the AAA title. Therefore leave me the hell alone when I want to play through from start to finish. It’s 10 hours split up over several days or weeks and happens once a business quarter.

  32. Looking Glass says:

    A few rhetorical jabs at the pastor:

    “Online shooters are notorious for the rolling insults over voice chat. It’s a much more enjoyable experience than listening to you.”

    “Noob.”

    “Just because you’re terrible doesn’t mean the rest of us get ganked all the time.”

    “My Xbox gives me a lot more value than anything you’ve ever told me.”

    “It’s a bad idea to encourage the thing worth less to destroy the thing worth more. The kids all know this; why don’t you?”

    I’ll come up with some more.

  33. Opus says:

    I have never played Video Games (I don’t think Space Invaders counts) but are not Video games the digital equivalent of Hunting much as shopping is the modern Gathering. There are two types of Games; chasing games and fighting games. Chess is of course a fighting game and there has never been despite any number of women who play and have always played chess a world class female chess player. Their brains are not hard wired for it – but then men cannot abide shopping.

    I was reading in Jefferson (you can’t say I do not at least attempt to understand your strange country) where he was writing about the Indians. He said that young men were mocked for wanting to have sex with the squaws. What the young Indians had to do was go out and prove themselves as men (bring down Bison single-handed – that sort of thing) and then they could aspire to court a female. Is that not exactly what still goes on, for ultimately it is women who will choose and it appears that the women in the Reverend Pastor’s congregation have yet to find any suitable men. A good score in a video game should be regarded less as loser-ville and more as evidence of Hunting ability, but given its private nature, how are the beautiful young women of the congregation to know who to throw themselves at.

  34. Mike T says:

    A few rhetorical jabs at the pastor:

    Sometimes the truth hurts more…

    “You can swing a wired controller into a room full of eligible young bachelors and not miss a man who likes video games.”

  35. Opus says:

    to know at whom they should throw themselves.

  36. Looking Glass says:

    Considering professional eSports now regularly makes ESPN highlights, it’d be pretty damn funny to show the pictures of the girls that the top-tier pro players get. Being supreme at any skill will harden a Man. Especially won that requires dispatching your opponent without mercy.

  37. Johnycomelately says:

    We are witnessing very interesting turn of events.

    Western society was historically a ‘guilt culture’ underpinned by appeals of authority to Christ, scripture and universal truths.

    Atheists and cultural trend Christians have appropriated the guilt culture by appeals to justice against class tyranny and social equality.

    Now that men have effectively embraced equality the guilt schtick doesn’t cut muster anymore so they have embraced shame.

    Problem is shame only works in collectivist cultures with rigid social roles and rules which doesn’t even exist in the West. So the moralisers are literally tilting at windmills and no one gives a shit about their opprobrium.

    You can’t shame someone who isn’t even there to hear it, if a preacher falls in a forest does he make any sound?

  38. rocko says:

    Forget the fact that men are not allowed to play video games. Men are not allowed to have any hobbies, it seems, even if it may help them in the future. Meanwhile, women are allowed to be “fabulous”, according to this pastor and men like Steve Harvey. As a bonus, Harvey claims to be a Christian and claims that good women shouldn’t date atheists like me. For one, the man has been married, not one, but five times. Plus, I might not be a Christian, but I do share common values regarding things like discipline, family, gender roles, and masculinity, even if I might end up being a bit flexible on these subjects. I just happen not to care for the concept of a deity. To end my comment, American Christianity doesn’t need Islam to destroy it. It only needs thinking like this to do so

  39. enrique says:

    Johnycomelately,

    I’ve noticed that when I’ve seen crowds of SJCreeps on Youtube, whether it be soft riots, protests, or just Q&As. The men are so “equal” that they simply look like women dressed up like men and give off the “we’re all in this together” vibe, which I think at it’s core, is either the cause or result of what you are hitting on in your post above.

    When I see these guys, especially the ones interviewed that adopt women’s passive aggressiveness in conversations, uptalk, “vocal frying” or even the gay lisp, but you are pretty sure they actually aren’t gay, you realize they have this “hey, don’t look at me, I’m a pussy too” attitude that must privately annoy the shit out of their female counterparts in the social justice creepery movement.

    Look at these “men”. Even watch how the aggressive dark boy in the kid’s hoodie smokes his cigarette. Could you get more feminine than that? The way he is trying to dress down the Russian guy, sounds like a parody of a nagging housewife on MadTV:

  40. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Far be it from me to have anything pleasant to come home to.

  41. DrTorch says:

    Neguy- Why do you use 1890s as a benchmark? I saw that same comparison in a book by H Norman Wright several years ago, and it puzzles me why this is considered meaningful.

    1890s saw an economic depression (panic) in the US as well as a rise of the politically left populist movement responding to the crony capitalism of the day. First wave feminism had also picked up significant momentum, w/ activists like Anthony, Stanton, Woodhull, etc. In other words, the same drivers that delay marriage today were prominent then:
    – Limited access to decent jobs
    – Immigration skewing demographics, and impacting job access
    – Rebellious women gaining legitimacy

    The 1890s was also referred to as the “Gay ’90s” in reference to the “eat, drink and be merry” mentality held by the UMC and wealthy. While this is connected to many of those societal events and activities, it is still another driver that raised the age of marriage for many during that time.

  42. DrTorch says:

    they feel like they are succeeding. They win at video games.

    That’s the issue right there. So why aren’t churches rallying against things that stifle business and opportunity for success? Such as oppressive regulation, high taxes and fees, EOE laws and lawsuits?
    Or in the marriage world: frivorce, entitled women/rebellious wives and the parents who create them?

    That’s why this AMOG pastor is a fraud. No concern with root cause issues.

  43. crowhill says:

    How does a wife destroying and throwing away her husband’s Xbox help the single women in the church find a husband? That makes no sense at all.

  44. astrapto says:

    But surely the conservative Christians you mention, D, would object to the use of words and gestures like “losers…retarded…jackin’ off” and the L-sign, at least in our post-Driscoll world.

  45. feeriker says:

    So why aren’t churches rallying against things that stifle business and opportunity for success? Such as oppressive regulation, high taxes and fees, EOE laws and lawsuits?
    Or in the marriage world: frivorce, entitled women/rebellious wives and the parents who create them?

    That’s why this AMOG pastor is a fraud. No concern with root cause issues.

    That’s why it’s called “churchianity.” The point of it is to make worldly people (especially white MC/UMC people) “feel good” about themselves by letting them paint a veneer of “Christianity” upon themselves without demanding anything from them that hurts, makes them uncomfortable or accountable , or makes them sacrifice anything that the world has given them. Actually ministering to people’s spiritual needs, as well as standing up to the world’s evils, requires effort and sacrifice, as well as genuine faith – something churchians don’t have at all.

    “Pastor” Lingerfelt and others of his ilk are “‘feel-good’ facilitators” who choose cheap, easy straw man targets for their co-dependent audiences to project upon. This keeps to a minimum the risk of having to address actual biblical precepts (which –**GASP!!! SHUDDER!!!**– actually require people to live a Christ-like existence, which means effort, humiliy, sacrifice, and sincerity) and keeps the collection plates full.

  46. Dalrock says:

    @Dr Torch

    That’s the issue right there. So why aren’t churches rallying against things that stifle business and opportunity for success? Such as oppressive regulation, high taxes and fees, EOE laws and lawsuits?
    Or in the marriage world: frivorce, entitled women/rebellious wives and the parents who create them?

    That’s why this AMOG pastor is a fraud. No concern with root cause issues.

    From a quick look at his twitter page, I would guess he is against all of the things you mention except for frivorce and entitled women/rebellious wives. He is also against the GOPe and open borders.

  47. Dalrock says:

    @Freeriker

    If there were any real men in his congregation they would have beaten him to a bloody pulp and tossed him out into the street with orders never to return after hearing shite like that rant.

    This is cartoonish in the opposite direction. No real man would do such a thing.

  48. feeriker says:

    This is cartoonish in the opposite direction. No real man would do such a thing.

    Yes, I was of course speaking figuratively here, but my obvious point is that a congregation full of “real” men would have nipped this guy’s nonsense in the bud, especially the part where he blatantly oversteps his pastoral authority (to say nothing of his tossing Scripture aside) by urging rebellious wives to destroy their husbands’ property. The fact that it would appear that no one called Lingerfelt out on this blatant misstep is symptomatic of the nearly Stalinist level of power that most churches blindly confer upon pastors, with deacons and elders serving as an “amen” chorus rather than a check and balance or source of objective biblical corrective.

  49. Dalrock says:

    @freeriker

    The fact that it would appear that no one called Lingerfelt out on this blatant misstep is symptomatic of the nearly Stalinist level of power that most churches blindly confer upon pastors

    I disagree. He is saying exactly what they want to hear, both the women and the men. If you want to be a runaway success in modern Christian culture, tear down husbands and fathers. The Kendrick brothers aren’t forcing anyone to see their movies and buy the associated products. Christians, especially conservative Christians, love Fireproof, Courageous, and War Room because they love the anti husband, anti married father message.

  50. Scott says:

    If you want to be a runaway success in modern Christian culture, tear down husbands and fathers. The Kendrick brothers aren’t forcing anyone to see their movies and buy the associated products. Christians, especially conservative Christians, love Fireproof, Courageous, and War Room because they love the anti husband, anti married father message.

    This is what makes it so weird to be the “type” of Christian I am now. As much as I praise Orthodoxy, there is a strain of it there too, as the surrounding culture is permeating everywhere–even a church whose primary characteristic is resistance to outside influence.

    We are just a remnant, really.

  51. Anon says:

    These Pastorbators are cartoonish to the extreme.

    Now they are saying ‘destroy’ his property (putting aside the fact that most men over age 18 play PC-based games, that are downloaded directly. There is no specific hardware to destroy).

  52. Marie says:

    Here ya go…..

    http://www.thetwocities.com/practical-theology/ministry/complementarian-rhetoric-and-hermeneutics/

    It’s interesting that he uses baptism as an analogy because I’ve only ever heard people argue that way about doctrinal issues.

  53. Imagine the outcry if a “leader” advocated for taking away a woman’s Iphone!

    “Now don’t just throw away that phone. She will just fish it out. Throw it in the bathtub!”

    Gee, I wonder what the Duluth Model would have to say about that advice?

  54. Coastal says:

    I never understood why these pastors bash video games, but have no problem watching hours upon hours of sports.

  55. @StringsOfCoins:

    I understand what you’re saying, but the part that confuses me is the complaining. It’s one thing to spend money and time on video-games, pretty much every guy I know does, even my husband, and everyone deserves something enjoyable. And I can’t see much wrong in spending £70 on a game and spending all afternoon playing it, even all week, as a friend of ours does happily, if you own up to it and it makes you genuinely happy. It’s entirely another thing to have constant meltdowns about not having money, ask for handouts and then go and buy a £70 game, spend days on it and then complain again that you didn’t have time left to get the house in order, do an errand you told someone you would do, or, even worse, make it into work. I know guys in debt, with their lives a mess, risking losing their jobs, who will still drop hundreds a month on games, nights out and pet projects like starting garage bands for a single afternoon, who are later literally in tears because they have no time or money. Nobody should be like that.

    As a slightly humorous aside, regarding: “No one believes that a woman will in any way make your life better.” One of those very men described above told my husband the other day “It’s hard for a young single guy like me to save any money, you’re lucky to be married, because it means you have money.” The logic is not very strong in my generation, apparently. That or we are the only example of a relationship he has ever scrutinized, as most married men would agree the opposite is generally true. He’s currently attempting to find a girl for a LTR/marriage and is in for a rude awakening if this is what he believes.

  56. Spawny Get says:

    Superslav, I guess some men can only understand the Red Pill when applied as a suppository. Usually via divorce.

  57. Anonymous Reader says:

    Marie, others – the larger culture, including the legal system, doesn’t care about baptism.
    The same cannot be said regarding differing sex roles. Nobody’s making movies about a “one right way” to baptize, whereas the Kendricks and others are all about making movies concerning the roles of men and women.

    So while maybe in a Bible / theology context that link has some points to make, but to me in the larger context it’s just triviality. Churhces are not being driven into the ground by different opinions on baptism, but putting women into leadership roles is slow suicide. Teaching people preparing to marry that a good marriage is always egalitarian? This sets them up for eventual failure via “cash and prizes”.

    So I regard that link as “tempest in a teapot”. Women are frivorcing men for cash and prizes, damaging any children in the process, men in the divorce machine are dying, women are finding that life after divorce ain’t what the divorce-porn said it would be….and Churchian bozos are sitting around hair splitting over Bible verses that clearly and obviously set out different roles for men and women, while nattering about baptism. “Tempest in a teapot” is the kindest thing I can write.

    “Squid ink” isn’t as kind but might be more accurate.

  58. feeriker says:

    Imagine the outcry if a “leader” advocated for taking away a woman’s Iphone!

    “Now don’t just throw away that phone. She will just fish it out. Throw it in the bathtub!”

    Gee, I wonder what the Duluth Model would have to say about that advice?

    While we can readily imagine the what the response from churchian CEOs to that suggestion would be, I know for a fact what would happen if a husband actually tried to take a phone (or credit/debit cards) away from his wife.

    Anecdotal sample size of one, but there’s no reason to believe this wouldn’t resemble millions of other identical scenarios:

    My brother’s lazy landwhale wife suffered a catastrophic stroke back in October that left her in a comatose, vegetative state. The doctors were certain that she would never recover and would soon die. But God intervented and within a month she was almost completely healed. After another two months of intense rehabilitative therapy the neurologists revised their prognosis to read “complete recovery likely.” There was, however, one caveat: it was essential that she keep physically active and engage in productive mental exercises as well. Otherwise there is at least a 75 percent chance that she will suffer another stroke at some point and would probably not be so fortunate next time as to recover.

    So did my SiL take this advice to heart and change her behavior and attitude, realizing that she is alive only by the Grace of God and that she needs to take care of the body, mind, and life God gave her a new lease on?

    Silly boy, of course not! As soon as she returned home she relapsed into her old ways, cocooning herself in her iPhone world of FB and Twitter, spending all day every day in this world, to the exclusion of all else (housework, errands, her husband, work, etc.). One day my brother said “Enough of this! It’s time for you to start living again, and the phone goes away until you do! God didn’t give you your life back just so that you could waste it!”

    What did he say a damned-fool thing like that for? For a woman who was “recovering from a stroke,” she launched into an emotional and physical rage that would have done an army of crazed Amazons proud. She literally assaulted my brother, screaming like a demented banshee that if he ever touched her phone again she’d put him in the hospital and walk out on him never to return (she’d last about two days on her own in the real world, but that’s for another thread on another blog). My brother told me that he could have flushed all of her jewelry down the toilet and she would not have reacted as violently as she did at the threat of losing her phone.

    Oh, and yeah, he explained the situation to his pastor later on. Care to guess how his pastor reacted?

    My brother is the dictionary definition of “castrated henpecked beta,” so I know nothing will ever change. He can count on my SiL stroking out again within the next two years, because he’ll never again push her to change her ways. I’m just surprised he showed gonads even the one time.

    So no, don’t try to take a woman’s Smart phone away from her unless you find violent bat-shit crazy attractive and get a warm and fuzzy over the idea of a DV arrest for yourself.

    And Pastor Lingerfelt will make sure that you’re reminded that it was all YOUR fault that she snapped.

  59. If there are a lot of “Beautiful x 3 young women” who aren’t matched up in this guy’s church, perhaps he should look at why they aren’t.

    The idea that these women or his church culture’s feminine-primary influence might be a factor in these guy’s ‘checking out’ isn’t even an afterthought to him. Honestly, that’s what’s telling in all this.

    Pastors assimilated by the Feminine Imperative are openly hostile to the men in their congregations at home and at men in general to the larger whole of churchianity, this is just one example of that hostility. Granted, there’s a lot of Christian Beta Game AMOGing going on – that’s to be expected – but it’s almost comical that male pastors are oblivious to their own hostility while yelling at men to ‘Man Up’ and accept their own indenturement. A feminized church would work so much better if men would only cooperate with it.

    There is nothing for men in contemporary christianity, and in fact it’s all a lose-lose proposition. It will seriously take men’s wholesale abandonment of the church before that culture has an collective introspection.

  60. Marie says:

    AR

    I wasn’t sharing the link because I believe it, I shared it because I thought it confusing. But I a lot of the cultural issues don’t apply to me so I like to read more of the strictly theological discussions.

  61. Anonymous Reader says:

    I know guys in debt, with their lives a mess, risking losing their jobs, who will still drop hundreds a month on games, nights out and pet projects like starting garage bands for a single afternoon, who are later literally in tears because they have no time or money.

    In Game terms those men are suffering from a lack of congruence. In managerial terms those men have no priorities, no “this task first then that”. In Bible terms? Proverbs is full of advice on that topic.

    There’s a definite lack of focus in both men and women in the modern world.
    What Pastor AMOG is showing is his own lack of focus, by the way – he’s focused on outcomes for women rather than outcomes for married couples.

  62. thedeti says:

    “This “Only Real Man in the Room” stuff is out of control.”

    I wonder what St. Paul would have to say about this.

    10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

    11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

    12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

    13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

    14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

    15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:

    16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:

    17 And the way of peace have they not known:

    18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

    Rom 3:10-18

    There is none righteous, Pastor. Not even you.

  63. E says:

    I remember when my wife threatened to destroy my (several thousand dollar) PC. I told her that she’d be throwing herself away from my life with her flagrant disregard of property and my family. The issue? A weekly 4-hour game session with my brothers who live in another part of the state.

  64. crimsonviceroy says:

    If that fool was trying to extol or even challenging the men in his congregation to pursuit the “beautiful young girls”, then he sure as hell made it abundantly clear that when they get married, damage of personal property based on arbitrary standards of their wives’ frail feminine emotional proclivities is what they have to look forward to. This man is literally advertising MGTOW in Neon to any man who has even half a functional brain left, if it hasn’t been completed supplanted by his “small brain”. What burns me the most is this apostate claiming power and authority in the name of the Son of God. Of all the troubles and challenges that Christianity and the church face in today’s charred climate against God, rampant immorality, legalized slaughter of innocent children via abortion, and the sodomized bastardization of marriage through legalized authority, this guy is ranting against video games?! Seriously?! Guess nothing has changed and there’s nothing new under the sun. Always easier to pick on the little guy, instead of having the balls to stand up to the big guy. Where the hell were these pastors when the Supreme Court was making its decision in Roe V. Wade?

    To anyone new to this blog or these series of topics, please don’t listen to this apostate pastor. He’s clearly out of touch with the Bible and is at this point has clearly shown himself to be an acolyte in the Sect of the Holy Vagina.

  65. Anonymous Reader says:

    Marie
    I wasn’t sharing the link because I believe it, I shared it because I thought it confusing. But I a lot of the cultural issues don’t apply to me so I like to read more of the strictly theological discussions.

    Understood, and I can completely understand how interesting theology can be. My response was not to you at all, but to the men who are IMO literally fiddling while Rome burns. Faced with churches where 1/3 of marriages fail within 10 or fewer years, the majority blown up by unhaaaapy women, churches where 1/5 to 1/4 of the women have had abortions…faced with an ongoing catastrophe these men choose to split hairs over ever finder definitions of egalitarianism vs. complementarianism, and in the process all too often take a plain set of words such as “I do not allow a woman to teach men”, mutilate it to say “I do allow a woman to teach men” and then wonder why increasingly no one outside their echo chamber bothers with them at all.

    They are like effete aesthetes discussing different flavors of tea while the house burns down around them. In my opinion, of course. They need to put down the teacups, ManUP and try to put out the fire. But these men would rather burn than offend women…

  66. Hank Flanders says:

    Dalrock

    I disagree. He is saying exactly what they want to hear, both the women and the men. If you want to be a runaway success in modern Christian culture, tear down husbands and fathers. The Kendrick brothers aren’t forcing anyone to see their movies and buy the associated products. Christians, especially conservative Christians, love Fireproof, Courageous, and War Room because they love the anti husband, anti married father message.

    Of course, most consumers of such movies and sermons probably aren’t even consciously against husbands and fathers, but anti-husband, anti-father, and just general anti-men themes, often perpetuated by self-loathing men themselves, are so prevalent in evangelical thinking that Christians often don’t even think about them or are even aware that there’s another way of thinking. In other words, they don’t know what they don’t know.

    For myself, I know that reading the manosphere, especially this blog, has taught me to have a lot more respect for myself as a man and to have less of a pedestalizing attitude regarding women, but I still probably have some improvements to make in this area, even after having read this and other manosphere blogs for the last two years. However, most Christian men are not even aware of Red Pill thinking and think sermons and Christian movies, which always have men as the bad guys, are great simply because they have some overall Christian themes.

  67. Gunner Q says:

    Anonymous Reader @ May 11, 2016 at 10:19 pm:
    “Another example of an out of touch Boomer shooting his mouth off to AMOG his church.”

    Yeah, it’s like he never heard of Gamergate. I have a pleasant mental fantasy of an Xbox computer nerd kneeling in front of the Supreme Dark Lord, presenting the severed, bloody password of this pastor’s Facebook account and swearing fealty as his Vile Faceless Minion number is Sharpied onto his forehead.

  68. Jonadab-the-Rechabite says:

    If not video games, golf, if not golf hunting and fishing, if not hunting and fishing time in the wood shop. What ever a man does that is not woman worship is to be condemned by endless complaining and white-knight tirades. Bitches gotta bitch its why they are called bitches. Much easier to bitch about men than the bitching bitches who make up the congregation. Must not offend the holy harem of pastor alpha boast.

  69. Matt H says:

    Why is it always video games? I see a lot of talk about spending, and expenses, and whatnot, but really, what’s the difference in spending an afternoon gaming as opposed to….what? What else are we supposed to do? Bond? Spend quality time together? Takes two to tango, and when you spend the QT together, it tends to be about her, not us. Are we supposed to spend time in the garage working with our manly tools and being masculine? By whose definition? What’s the difference between playing a game on your PS4 and building a spice rack?

    Men need myth, and legend, and things greater than themselves to believe in. Video games fill that role nicely, they improve problem solving, hand-to-eye coordination, and don’t in any way contribute to negative behaviors. Despite all the talk about “Only man in the room arguments are old and tired,” I see a LOT of comments saying that exact type of thing, “I don’t play games, I’m an adult.” How is that a different argument?

    Let men have their hobbies, whether it be reading, gaming, building, or hiking, and quit trying to prove how manly you are by not doing them.

    Side note: a PS4 is about $400, and each game is $70. The average game can be played for about 80 hours. That’s about $6 / hour if you ONLY BUY ONE GAME. Buy two games and it drops to $3 / hour. Go see a movie in the theater, where tickets can be up to $15, that’s $7.50 / hour. Tell me again how gaming is an expensive hobby?

  70. feeriker says:

    However, most Christian men are not even aware of Red Pill thinking and think sermons and Christian movies, which always have men as the bad guys, are great simply because they have some overall Christian themes.

    This is an important point. American Christians, in particular, are so desperate for some form of affirmation of themselves and their beliefs by the popular culture that they’ll clutch at any straws they can grab within the mainstream that even hint at Christian ideas and hold them up as shining examples of reverential art. More often than not what they actually hold up as shining examples are products that actually mock or trashtalk Christianity. Sadly, they’re not intellectually sophisticated (or scripturally literate) enough to see the truth. The 70s movies Jesus Christ Superstar and Godspell are two examples that come to mind.

    I never saw the movie Moms’ Night Out, but from descriptions of it that I’ve read, the movie sounds like it fits this mold. If I were a cynic (who, moi?) who didn’t otherwise know better, I would say that the Kendricks were a pair of Hollywood regulars in the Mel Brooks mould who were out to lampoon Christianity while painting their product with a thin veneer of faux respect (“we’re just kiddin’ ya, folks. No, really…”).

  71. Novaseeker says:

    The thing is that it’s true that gaming isn’t helping these guys one bit. They ought to be doing much better things with their time than gaming, and we talk about this a lot in the sphere in general. But the problem here is that he doesn’t get the dynamic right — in fact, he gets it completely backwards.

    The young men are pissing away their time with computer games because the young women are either unattractive or unattainable. This is the basic thing that drives so many young men into gaming — it’s more reliable, more entertaining, and less irritating than being shot down by unattainable (yet who are peer in attractiveness) women, and being faced with only unattractive women being available. In that context, ESPN/Porn/X-Box/PC games seems attractive. That’s the dynamic, and he gets it precisely backwards because he can’t fathom that the young women are doing anything at all which impacts the choices that young men are making.

    Of course, in the sphere and TRP and so on, we advise young guys to work on themselves, ditch the games ESPN and take the time freed up to self-improve in various ways. But the guys have to be motivated to do so, and, as we all know, almost everyone who turns up in the RP-sphere is self-motivated in a way that the masses of young men are not. There isn’t much to be done about that as long as young women are behaving as they are, and unfortunately given the underlying strong biases, I think it’s extremely unlikely that Christian pastors will be acknowledging the actual dynamic at play any time soon.

  72. Wood Chipper says:
  73. feeriker says:

    @Wood Chipper

    “Paul Maxwell (@paulcmaxwell) is a PhD student at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, and philosophy professor at Moody Bible Institute. He writes more at his blog, and pretends to like coffee.”

    This (and his photo – are all divinity school grads metrosexual hipsters?) explains everything.

    Against my better judgment I clicked the link, just on the off chance that the term “strong” in the article title actually referred to the strength attributes in women that that dusty and neglected tome called the Bible prescribes for and praises in women. Needless to say, I was quickly shown how foolish my hopes were.

    You especially gotta love Maxwell’s assertion that a “strong” woman who rebukes a Godly man is something noble rather than an example of contentious rebellion.

  74. “The young men are pissing away their time with computer games because the young women are either unattractive or unattainable.”

    That hits the nail on the head.

  75. Heidi says:

    Two issues: 1) If I threw out any of my husband’s stuff, he would never see my action as “godly,” or worthy of serious discussion; any such tantrum would be viewed as irrational and childish, and he would treat it as such. I have a neighbor who feels that she must blow a fuse in order for her husband to “listen” to her, and I regard this as an extremely dangerous attitude. Essentially, it removes decisionmaking from the realm of reason and affection, and places it in the realm of the woman’s basest instincts.

    2) If our pastor–or any other person–tried to exert such an intrusive, harmful influence as that described in this post, we would take immediate steps to remove ourselves from contact with this person. Should not a man of God be exhorting his congregation–including the women–to examine their own consciences, and to pray for the Spirit’s intervention in their own lives, rather than making scapegoats of part of his congregation?

  76. LeeLee says:

    Okay I want to know what people think of this… what I notice about a lot of the Christian women I know who have not been chosen by a man isn’t necessarily that they rebellious or feminist even. A couple of them are, but the most feminist Christian women I can think of are married for the most part.

    The thing I notice is that a lot of them aren’t sexy. They are kind of desexualized, maybe even to the point of being like.. sexually prepubescent if that makes sense. And this isn’t all the women, but it’s a thing I’ve noticed.

    Which makes sense, right? Women who aren’t sexy aren’t chosen. But I just wonder if just as much of the problem isn’t Christians sort of spiritualizing the concept of beauty and sexuality. You know how Christian men are told that if their wives are drifting it’s because they aren’t godly enough? Like women are sexually aroused by godliness when that doesn’t seem to be the case?

    I think women get a similar version of this — “Your heart should be so lost in God that a man has to find Him to get to you”, etc. It seems like a lot of women who grow up in Christian environments kind of fail to thrive when it comes to maturing sexually. And I don’t mean in promiscuity at all.. just like, being sexy in a godly way. Like Song of Songs.

  77. ray says:

    “I curse that spirit in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth”

    The what? LOL

    Oh I geddit he thinks he’s a He-row! He thinks he’s been empowered by Christ to curse demons — although that power never was offered by Christ. Jeshua can arm certain servants with ability to cast out spiritual influences, or to jump up-and-down on them, but not to curse them. As if Pastor Dorkus would know what to say anyway. Yeeks.

    But Our Hero doesn’t know or love Scripture, he’s too busy striding back and forth across the stage, puffing out his chest to the girls, playing Pretend Spiritual War in his pretend church. Ironic, because he accuses other men of being shallow and fake gamesters.

    As for ‘retards’, this chump eventually will discover that God loves many persons considered ‘retarded’ far more than Pastor Dorkus. How is that gonna look to the teeming universe? Not very flattering to Pastor Dorkus I expect. And that some of those ‘retards’ are spiritually advanced people who — unlike himself — are close to Father and Jeshua.

    Too bad I’m old and chewed up. This bitch needs to be knocked out, dragged from ‘his’ church, and tossed in the gutter with the other trash. With the doors bolted behind.

  78. thedeti says:

    Novaseeker:

    You’re correct, of course, that the men’s turning to video gaming is a direct response to the women’s presumptive rejections.

    There’s more to it. There’s also educational institutions hostile to them (Yes Means Yes, Affirmative action in favor of women and discriminatory towards men, etc.) Men are being squeezed out of jobs in a workplace that is openly hostile and adversarial to them. Men are told they are not welcome in place after place after place — private homes, private clubs, schools, jobs, churches, and virtually everywhere else. All but the most undesirable, unattractive women reject them in the most cruel and public ways.

    Men have literally nowhere else to go other than to gaming communities and to online communities.

    Of course, most women will say that all this is wrong. Women haven’t done anything to cause any of this. If men aren’t motivated, then that’s not women’s fault. But my rejoinder is that women (and their willing sycophants in the clergy) cannot then be heard to complain when men simply absent themselves. because this is what men do when it’s made clear to them that they aren’t wanted or needed — they simply go away and busy themselves with activities that are easy, that provide a more or less certain and predictable return, and that involve little risk. Because for men, our ENTIRE LIVES are fraught with risk, rejection, loss, adversity, and constant threats of injury and death.

  79. thedeti says:

    “real men love strong women”

    Real, strong Christian women find husbands and submit to them.

  80. feeriker says:

    I have a neighbor who feels that she must blow a fuse in order for her husband to “listen” to her, and I regard this as an extremely dangerous attitude

    Based on past experience, and without even knowing this woman or her husband, it is almost a certainty that the only way she has ever communicated with him is by screaming at him in full-blown BPD mode. All.the.time. Simple emotional exhaustion has led him to just tune her out. Rather than greasing the squeaky wheel (there probably isn’t enough grease in all creation to make it stop), he’s chosen to “soundproof” himself from the incessant squeaking in order to stay sane.

    A suggestion you could offer your neighbor, if you haven’t already: a kind, quiet, gentle, reasonable demeanor stands an excellent chance of improving his receptiveness by orders of magnitude, especially if what she wants to say is something perfectly reasonable. Men would rather listen to wind chimes than to a jackhammer.

  81. feeriker says:

    LeeLee says:
    May 12, 2016 at 1:58 pm

    Your theory makes sense. I think both Christian women AND men have been led badly astray, albeit in different ways. Quite frankly, the church collectively suffers a severe case of rectal-cranial inversion (or at best is in denial, its hands clapped tightly over its ears, shouting “La la la la la la I DON’T HEAR YOU!”) when it comes to Christian marriage, sex, and families especially sex. It’s the one issue that, when they’re not busy demonizing (usually men), pastors and elders run away from like cats from a swimming pool. There’s something about the subject of intimacy between men and women that has ALWAYS made the church uncomfortable, even when the Bible clearly praises it as one God’s greatest gifts to humanity when confined to His guidelines for its use. They’d rather confront any other subject in depth.

  82. Coastal says:

    @LeeLee

    From my experience, most churchians believe that inner and outer beauty are mutually exclusive. They take “man looks at the outward appearance but the Lord looks at the heart” WAY out of context.

  83. ray says:

    @Freeriker

    “If there were any real men in his congregation they would have beaten him to a bloody pulp and tossed him out into the street with orders never to return after hearing shite like that rant.

    Dalrock — This is cartoonish in the opposite direction. No real man would do such a thing.”

    In a jiffy. Yup. Not beaten to a pulp, no need for that — the guy is just some fat coward. But forcefully and effectively removed, absolutely. Wouldn’t give it a second thought afterwards either.

    King Jeshua WHIPPED persons from the temple/church who were misusing it, and/or misrepresenting him. He probly got told he was a cartoon and not a real man, too.

    The King’s servant Elijah slew 450 false ‘teachers’ who were, overtly or covertly, promoting idolatry and obedience to Jezebel/goddess/women. I’d put Pastor Dorkus in that group. But I guess Elijah didn’t qualify as a real man, either. A real man doesn’t take direct action when the Lord’s House has been infiltrated and commandeered by false ‘pastors.’

    There is a place for talk, and writing, and blog posts, and there is a place for action, as the world soon will see upon Christ’s return.

  84. The Feminine Imperative: coming soon to a diocese near you.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/12/world/pope-women-deacons/index.html

  85. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Always remember when asking WWJD that flipping tables and taking a whip to folks is not out of the question.

  86. seventiesjason says:

    Well…..here is a story from a “mom” and how exciting her life has become of this extended family unit she created! A book deal is coming a long soon! Everyone is happy, and it’s better than that “old stuffy traditional marriage”

    Women in the West sooner than later will be DEMANDING harems!

    https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/happened-fell-love-much-younger-160000348.html

  87. Cane Caldo says:

    @Novaseeker

    The young men are pissing away their time with computer games because the young women are either unattractive or unattainable.

    This is wrong. They choose video games because they want them. Unattractive and unattainable women are responsible for why men aren’t spending time on women, but it does not explain why they spend time doing something worthless instead of something worthwhile.

    I already hear keyboards clacking out “But I just relax with my video games! It’s not a big deal! It’s just entertainment.” All those things can be true if it’s not 20 hours a week…plus YouTube, plus NetFlix, plus porn novelty websites; plus a whole bunch of other passive bullshit.

    The point is: None of that has anything to do with women. That includes Lingerfelt’s bullshit sermon.

  88. @LeeLee,
    https://therationalmale.com/2012/02/08/sexy/

    Quite honestly I think seduction is a lost art for women. Very few women know how to be sexy, much less seductive. Even fewer ever feel a need to be seductive. This is due to an environment that, for the past 50 years, has simplified sexual exchange for women to the point that all she need do is stay somewhat fit and wear a thong occasionally. So many men have become so acclimated to just these visual prompts as sexual cues that women don’t really need to learn seduction. There is no greater reward for being sexy or seductive beyond what she’s already capable of prompting in a man, so seduction practices aren’t reinforced for her.

    Now add to this the feminine priority westernized culture has placed on women’s sexuality. Any woman feeling a need to be seductive for a man is cast in the role of putting his sexual value above her own. Remember, according to Cosmo and Oprah it is he who needs to be sensitive to her needs. Her sexuality is a GIFT he qualifies for, not something she should ever feel a need to sell to him by means of seduction.

    Women don’t need to seduce men anymore. The feminine-priority dynamic has put a default value on women’s sexuality. Those hot enough to simply wear something revealing never need seduction, and those not hot enough can’t sell it anyway. And the girls who’re in between – the one’s who’d benefit most – are discouraged from learning seduction since it’s “denigrating” to women who should already be on a pedestal to begin with.

    Ever since the sexual revolution there’s been less and less motivation for women to develop seduction skills. If anything there’s a resentment for ever having needed them in the past. I’d argue that feminine seduction skills have been replaced with emotional and psychological manipulations (see BPD) in order to make men comply with their imperatives as a result of having abandoned those seduction behaviors.

  89. Anchorman says:

    If not video games, golf, if not golf hunting and fishing, if not hunting and fishing time in the wood shop. What ever a man does that is not woman worship is to be condemned by endless complaining and white-knight tirades.

    Precisely.

    The real root of the anger over video games is because it doesn’t include women.

    Women want to be a part of men’s lives. Men have no interest in doing things women want. In fact, male presence at female events is usually considered “whipped.”

    But women don’t like a lot of male interest, either. The difference now is that women feel they must have a place in male spaces. Feminism says so. They have to have a ranking in male qualities (strong, independent, outspoken).

    Men are screwing up feminism by not engaging in activities women approve of/like so they can overtake the event and make it female.

  90. Anchorman says:

    Women don’t like male interests

  91. feeriker says:

    Men have no interest in doing things women want. In fact, male presence at female events is usually considered “whipped.”

    Apparenty there has been a trend among women the last few years to invite men to baby showers – and to get unduly offended when they decline to attend.

    I don’t personally know a single man worthy of the title who would allow himself to be seen at a baby shower even as a corpse.

  92. thedeti says:

    I went to a couples shower once (don’t remember if it was a wedding or baby shower). Was years ago, we had been married probably 4 or 5 years. It was the most torturous, interminable 3 hours I have ever spent. I told Mrs. deti that under no circumstances would I ever attend one of those abominations again. And I never have.

  93. From Compatibility:
    https://therationalmale.com/2011/12/15/compatibility/

    Whenever a Man engages in any leisure activity, passion, hobby, etc. that doesn’t directly benefit his wife / GF it’s always perceived as a waste of time. If she cannot realize a tangible result that benefits her – or by way of her, the potential “family” or the “relationship” – your effort is pointless and frivolous in contrast to engaging her, entertaining her or relating with her. Again we see the hypergamous feminine imperative of girl-world. If it’s not directly benefiting women, it’s not benefiting humanity in general.

    That said, you can stretch this association quite a bit. If you enjoy playing basketball after work with friends or hitting the gym, there is a benefit to her – your improved health, better looks, less fat, etc. so the “hobby” is more tolerable. There is a kind of hierarchy of leisure activities, hobbies, passions, etc. that women rank based on how it relates to themselves and the social perceptions that are associated with it. You could even make the case that playing X-Box helps you decompress after a hard day at work, but this is less tolerable than something that has tangible benefits or at least the association of benefits for a woman. You have to learn how to mediate this in an LTR. It’s actually a fantastic opportunity to maintain the frame within a relationship if you have the wherewithal to endure her protests. I have a LOT of passions and interests that I enjoy. Some directly benefit my wife, others don’t, but the moment I give one up, I surrender and that’s the moment she loses respect for my authority as a Man. I fully acknowledge there are interests I have that Mrs. Tomassi is casually indifferent to or outright despises, but were I to acquiesce with “OK honey, you win, I’ll stop it with such and such”, I lose prominence.

    Nothing irks me more than AFC husbands who abdicated their authority and prominence by giving up things that they loved prior to marriage. And then they tell me how “thankful” they are that they married a woman who “allows” him to watch Hockey occasionally on the little TV set they have in their bedroom (not the widescreen in the living room). If guys are obsessively playing fantasy football or baseball in preference to banging their wives, I think the first place to start is with the wife. Most often it’s a referendum on her. Men should not need to create their own space, their home should be their space. Your home should be your ‘Man-Cave’.

  94. >I never understood why these pastors bash video games, but have no problem watching hours upon hours of sports.

    Young men who follow the rules of football can get into the habit of following the rules of a church or an authoritarian movement.

    Thorstein Veblen had a theory that humans went through stages of development.

    The earliest stage was the peaceful hunter, with little religion or organization.

    Next came the warlike, clannish barbarian, with a strong sense of clan loyalty, a desire to pick fights, and a tendency toward gambling. This might correspond to a semi-nomadic herdsman who would steal an outsider’s cattle if possible, but take revenge if the outsider tried to steal cattle from his tribe. “Barbarians” have tribal war gods and punish their children if those children don’t fear the tribal god.

    Veblen believed that the kind of guy who watches football, hates his country’s enemies, goes to church every week, and regards Las Vegas as exciting was a “barbarian” type.

    Later comes the “agricultural” or “feudal knight” type, and finally comes the “industrialist” type. The “feudal” mentality is interested in social prestige, including religious prestige. The “industrialist” is irreligious and interested in technology.

    If Veblen is even close to correct, pastors like “barbarians” more than “industrialists.” This might be because “barbarians” and “feudal” types put more money in the collection plates.

  95. >Women hate male “downtime,” especially when spent in the company of other men, because it’s not about HER.

    For woman, man is really a kind of machine, if rather an unusual one. Her ideal, if
    she could define it, would be a robot capable of thought, of programming itself, of
    continuing to develop and produce an ideal set of functions to meet each new
    situation. (Scientists, too, are working on the development of such robots, who will
    work for them, make decisions for them, think for them, and put the results of their
    labor at their disposal; but these robots will he constructed from non-living matter.)
    Long before man is in a position to choose his own way of life, he will have formed
    the
    necessary addiction to praise. He will be happy only when his work brings him praise
    ,and, because he is an addict, his need will increase-and with it the type of
    achievement so much praised by his woman.

    -Esther Vilar, _The Manipulated Man_

    The book is available for free, and it is poorly-organized, but easy to read and mercifully short.

  96. Dave says:

    I am not christian so I am trying to understand how it is a good idea for a religious leader to encourage a woman to destroy a product that costs $500. Is the pastor serious, or is it a joke?

    Even if he meant it s a joke, it is still in bad taste, as it shows profound disdain for the person and manhood of men. When a woman decides to destroy a man’s property because she considers it inappropriate for her husband, it means she is treating him like a little boy who is incapable of making his own decisions, and who deserves to be disciplined by his all knowing, wise woman. Since when did a woman has the right to determine what is/what is not OK for another adult? Can she treat another woman that way—destroy her property because she considers it inappropriate for her? Wouldn’t that land her before a judge?

  97. BillyS says:

    Novaseeker,

    The thing is that it’s true that gaming isn’t helping these guys one bit. They ought to be doing much better things with their time than gaming, and we talk about this a lot in the sphere in general. But the problem here is that he doesn’t get the dynamic right — in fact, he gets it completely backwards.

    That may be true for some, but video games are a perfectly valid hobby to engage at. Any hobby can become a compulsion, but that doesn’t make the activity inherently a waste of time.

    Cane,

    They choose video games because they want them.

    Of course. People generally choose to do things they get some value out of.

    All those things can be true if it’s not 20 hours a week…plus YouTube, plus NetFlix, plus porn novelty websites; plus a whole bunch of other passive bullshit.

    So which activities are allowed during this time? Do you have to approve of the activities? I am sure I play 20+ hours a week on video games at times, though I watch YouTube only occasionally and NetFlix quite rarely, in spite of paying for it. Generally seek to skip the websites you note for obvious holiness reasons.

    Why is your chosen free time activity (and what is that?) inhernetly more holy than playing a video game? What do you base that call on?

  98. AbelardLindsey says:

    You guys have got it wrong about early marriage. Everyone knows that in this country (US) you have to make the money first, then you get the girls. This is reality. Another reality is that, for the vast majority of people (e.g. those not born in wealth), having kids prior to the age of 30 (e.g. being established in a career or successful in business) is a recipe for lifetime poverty and struggle.

    People, in general, are more rational than you give them credit for. There is a reason why people are not getting married and having kids like they used to.

    Hint: its always about the money. The reality is that money is everything. Deal with reality.

  99. Looking Glass says:

    @Cane:

    Firstly, Video Games are vastly more enjoyable to most other passtimes. Especially the good games. Secondly, there is a social aspect to Games that have been obliterated in much of the rest of society for Men. (I can either talk about Video Games or Sports, that’s about the only thing that binds huge sections of Men together now.) Thirdly, most games are a skill to learn and it flexes certain mental pathways that much of rest of life simply won’t.

    Games hit in the same place that getting good at Chess or Poker can for a Man. (That’s before any discussion of diet/physical activity comes into play. We train Men to sit all day, so what logical direction would we focus our entertainment? )

  100. Neguy says:

    @DrTorch, I picked 1890 because that was the start date in the presentation. I don’t know that data exists prior to that, but if so I’d be happy to use it. There’s nothing magical about 1890, but I think you’ll find the data in that presentation is more than just one bad year’s comp.

  101. mike says:

    It’s almost universally acknowledged that single women in churches tithe to a much lesser extent than their married counterparts. These pastors must know that the only way to raise their bottom line is by marrying the single women off and keeping them in their church for as long as possible, acting as a second man in the relationship and carrying authority that is greater than the husbands. They will find some way to take that husband’s income. It doesn’t matter if he goes to church or not. It’s all about pleasing the women who uses her husbands checks.

    Just like this pastor, saying “you can blame me”. It’s as if the husband is supposed to say, “Oh, pastor Chad told you to throw away my xbox? Perfect”. It’s like they are embracing cucked headship.

    “Here, let’s have you clean up this china I just broke over my emotional problems and I’m going to head over to the family room and kill your xbox, mmkay. The pastor said this was perfectly fine”, says the wife. Wonderful women the church is raising up. But how else do you appeal to women who aren’t Christians at all, but hoping to simply entangle a man into their web when their hypergamy comes full circle. After all, the church is really only a dating service for post wall women and an an enforcer for their coming marriages and divorces. Pastors must marinate the single men in a sense of shame as they prepare to sign their life away to one of these post wall churchian hoes.

  102. galloper6 says:

    I must have been going to the WRONG churches. Where are the churches with beautiful beautiful young women who can’t get dates???????
    He is delusional or MOUD mothers of ugly daughters( Maud for short ) have been riding his a$$ over why can her 300 pound angel can’t get a high quality suitor. “Must be menz fault”
    Gene please post addresses of the churches with surplus beauties and the problem is solved.

  103. feeriker says:

    I must have been going to the WRONG churches. Where are the churches with beautiful beautiful young women who can’t get dates???????

    It just occurred to me that we may have terribly misunderstood the good Reverend. We assumed that he meant “beautiful” in the commonly accepted definition of the word, when he really was using the acronym that stands for:

    Bitchy,
    Entitled,
    Argumentative,
    Unkempt,
    Trashy,
    Ill-mannered,
    Fat,
    Ugly,
    Lazy

    In other words, he was saying “Come on now, boys – put down the game controllers, get up off the couch, man up, and marry those sluts! Do you really think you deserve any better, you worthless little slackers?!”

  104. Paul Murray says:

    @Enrique “All these so-called pastors are passive-aggressive man-boys”

    I was in a couple of churches that had real men of faith at the helm, and that collapsed. In both cases, those godly men of faith became used car salemen. That was the job that their talents best suited them to.

  105. Vektor says:

    Video games is a red herring. Repackaged man-up manipulation. Men do not choose to not date/marry these women because of video games. They do so for reasons spelled out again and again throughout the Manosphere.

    Video games, or whatever hobby, just fills up some of the vast free time that comes from not being a servant. The whole ‘video games gives you a retarded soul’ BS is to obfuscate the issue and put men on the defensive.

    It’s difficult to tell which group is the greater threat to male sovereignty…the feminists or these cuckservative types.

  106. Anon says:

    It’s almost universally acknowledged that single women in churches tithe to a much lesser extent than their married counterparts. T

    That is merely a reflection of a woman’s ‘generosity’ with money from her own paycheck vs. her husband’s.

    It is not marriage itself which makes a woman more generous, but rather the fact that it is not directly from her paycheck, but rather from the man’s.

  107. Anon says:

    Again, the great thing about video games is that no shaming language from a pastorbator or a femtroll will even reach the man in question. He is not around to receive the shaming language.

    Plus, as stated above, if the pastorbator had a clue, he would know that most men of marriageable age who play video games for long periods of time do not play console games, but play PC games. There is no hardware piece towards which the pastorbator can direct the female to conduct vandalism onto.

  108. enrique says:

    seventiesjason,

    Notice how women, like the article you linked, always say things like, “What matters most (and here’s the thing: I know this) is my children’s happiness, safety, and security.” about two seconds before they prepare to violate that rule? (or to discuss how they did so. )More phony “Virtue Signaling” moments before establishing that you have no virtue.

    Also, ‘Safety and security’, are always thrown in to make it sound like women live in a dark forest of fear, from their husbands and any other guy not named “Tall, Dark and Handsome” that they met at a club, or whatever. It’s odd how they throw in “safety” a lot, in unusual places within such narratives.

    It’s one of those Freudian attacks women do on men, at the margins, in passing…it’s equivalent would be like men saying, “of course I knew as a married man and father about to cheat, having my children not drowned by their mother was central to my purpose in life…but anyhow…”

  109. Anon says:

    Older women find that divorce is not as great a deal as they thought. This is after proclaiming that they are done with men after age 55.

    But this is still before they lose their cash and prizes to a Nigerian romance scam.

  110. I totally agree with Novaseeker’s comment at 12:48. In addition, I advise young men to take up a demanding physical activity. I like bodybuilding, rowing, and biking. As long as it is physically strenuous the results will include lower fat, increased muscle, better attitude and better emotional state. Do the exercise for yourself; not to obtain a lady. Do it for your own self-respect; for your self-value. Then as a secondary result, perhaps your opportunities for better quality women will increase.

  111. ray says:

    ” I told Mrs. deti that under no circumstances would I ever attend one of those abominations again. And I never have.”

    It’s outrageous, a three hour baby shower. Toss the little guy in the tub and hose him down I say. Five minutes max.

  112. Emily says:

    We live in a digital age. Women like social media, men like video games. Men and women alike are too busy with these things to bother chasing after / seducing each other. Everyone needs to relax, but I’m afraid all of this screen time is having a very negative effect on society as a whole. We are mesmerized by it. It can be addictive, so I really do think that the problem is more complex than just the fact that women are failing to offer men something better.

  113. nastynate says:

    Scott says:
    “This is what makes it so weird to be the “type” of Christian I am now. As much as I praise Orthodoxy, there is a strain of it there too, as the surrounding culture is permeating everywhere–even a church whose primary characteristic is resistance to outside influence.”

    My brother and I are Eastern Orthodox. Every person in his church turned on him or turned their backs when his wife rebelled. The Priest of his church actively undermined his headship in his house and encouraged his wife to eject him from his home. My brother was never unfaithful, or abusive. He is a disabled vet who is struggling with PTSD and a severe spinal injury. His wife just got tired of the grind and wanted him out. The priest of the church I used to attend actually told me that my brother needed to “man up”. Hearing those words come out of my own priests mouth was like being shot in the gut. So, to say there is a “strain” of this bullshit in the American Orthodox churches is being kind.

  114. The Other Jim says:

    @Rollo, “The Feminine Imperative: coming soon to a diocese near you.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/12/world/pope-women-deacons/index.html

    As a former Episcopalian I have seen this movie and can assure you it sucks. One day you’ll have women deacons and before you know it you’ll have practicing gay priests, bishops, transsexual priests, declaring abortion is a blessing, referring to God as female, the U2-charist, Ubuntu, the previous creepy female archbishop who might be a lesbian and whose husband hasn’t been seen in a long, long time, a current American Black archbishop who plays the race card in front of Black African Anglican bishops(to no effect I might add), and an archbishop of the larger global communion who is a product of cuckoldry as the head of the entire church.

    I can go on here but I warn the Roman Catholics, dump Pope Frank the Fool before he ruins what’s left of the RCC and turns it into the Episcopal Church & Church of England.

  115. Novaseeker says:

    OT, but Rome is burning, by the way: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/us/politics/obama-administration-to-issue-decree-on-transgender-access-to-school-restrooms.html?_r=0

    Hamma is comin’ down, y’all. Find your option, and take it. The hammers are already coming down and will keep coming, regardless of November. The country is transforming, or perhaps “transitioning” is a better phrasing, into something that is culturally unrecognizable. Take heed, take precautions and take action.

  116. Novaseeker says:

    So, to say there is a “strain” of this bullshit in the American Orthodox churches is being kind.

    Yep. We’re not immune from the broader problems in Christianity in North America. Not by a long shot, sadly. Most of our priests are totally inculturated. You can find exceptions, and thankfully we have some of them here in DC, but it can be thin elsewhere.

  117. desiderian says:

    Cane,

    “The point is: None of that has anything to do with women.”

    It’s not just women (the way their daddies are raising them is also a big problem, for instance), but young men are missing the role young women used to play in encouraging them toward marriage and manliness within marriage (inspiring him through her admiration, for instance, which had as much to do with what he could be with her support as what he was yet).

  118. Anon says:

    It’s outrageous, a three hour baby shower.

    I have also wondered why *bridal* showers are now a thing. A recent 35 year old found some hapless beta bux provider, and her bridal shower consisted of other 35 y/o women, half of whom were old maids, and almost none of whom had children.

  119. @Ray: “He thinks he’s been empowered by Christ to curse demons — although that power never was offered by Christ.”

    Wrong, read the Book:

    …16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In My name they will drive out demons;

  120. Dale says:

    The Question said:
    >It’s time for single Christian men to stop trying to reason with these people. It’s clear they don’t care what we think or what we say.

    Absolutely. Refusing to marry one of the women who are unwilling to ACT in submission to Scripture is
    a) the best course of action. See Joshua’s views about “as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord” in Josh 24:14-15.
    b) the only action I can take to clearly register my objection and to guard my heart – Prov 4:23

    @LeeLee

    Yes, you have a valid comment about “sexy women get chosen”.
    I think most people would understand that, for many men, long hair (i.e. elbow length) is attractive. And by some coincidence, 1 Cor 11 says that it is shameful for a woman to cut her hair, and that “long hair is her glory”.
    Similarly, for many men, a woman wearing a dress is more attractive than the same woman wearing dress pants. And by some coincidence, Deut 22:5 speaks against cross dressing.
    Likewise, for many men, a woman with a healthy weight, instead of an excessive weight due to a lack of self-control, is far more attractive. And, surprise, surprise, Titus 2:1-8 teaches both men and women to be self-controlled.

    A truly Biblical woman would be very attractive, even without fake enhancements like cosmetics and jewelry.

    And you are definitely correct. Feminine / attractive women are more desirable for marriage. It is unfortunate that we spiritualist choosing to be unattractive.

    @Coastal
    Your comment is great. I memorized 1 Samuel 16:7, in part because it clearly shows that men DO perceive differently than God. And men can never see the heart, as God does; we can only see the outward actions and heart the outward words.

  121. ray says:

    Bluepillprofessor —

    You were in such a rush to prove me wrong that you didn’t read the sentence:

    “Jeshua can arm certain servants with ability to cast out spiritual influences, or to jump up-and-down on them, but not to curse them”

    The quoted Scripture says ‘drive out’ entities, not ‘curse’ entities. Drive out and cast out (my usage) are interchangeable. Cursing demons is not interchangeable, because Christ never recommended nor taught it.

    Work on the envy first, Bluepill professor. Then reading comprehension.

  122. Gunner Q says:

    AbelardLindsey @ 5:44 pm:
    “People, in general, are more rational than you give them credit for.”

    You must be new to the Manosphere. The sordid truth is that most of humanity never outgrows high school. You will soon be amazed at how much of human behavior is sexually motivated compared to financially motivated… or even self-preservation.

  123. Dale says:

    Emily
    >Everyone needs to relax, but I’m afraid all of this screen time is having a very negative effect on society as a whole.

    Largely, I would agree. Facebook is a prime example.

    Blogs such as this one are based on education, or giving corrective information, which is great. Even this can become a time-sink however, if I choose to follow 10 blogs, all saying something I already know. I personally choose to follow just this one, for precisely the reason that I want to limit the amount of time that I spend.

  124. Hemant Mehta says:

    Hi, this is Hemant from Friendly Atheist.

    The video in question is now here: https://youtu.be/r5sxzmiDbHU

  125. benfromtexas says:

    Amazing how never teaching boys how to be men never comes up. Even more amazing is how the girls are NEVER to blame for anything. Weird to the point of being borderline delusional.

  126. Jim Christian says:

    Meh, the nerds’ video games, my motorcycles I was “supposed” to give up in the drive to force me to “put away childish things” starting 40 years back. Never did give up the bikes, but after a mild divorce-rape thirty years back, I DID give up marriage. To me, the Patriarchy lives on. Plenty of broads to feast on still roam the Earth, what really, have we lost?

  127. Mike says:

    If you listen to the congregation, the men seem to have fully embraced the amog. Just for kicks…

  128. Mike says:

    Give me money, losers.

  129. feeriker says:

    If you listen to the congregation, the men seem to have fully embraced the amog.

    If that’s true, then I will assert that these losers have effectively surrendered their “man cards.”

  130. @Lee Lee: “The thing I notice is that a lot of them aren’t sexy. They are kind of desexualized, maybe even to the point of being like.. sexually prepubescent ”

    A prim and proper and chaste girl is not such a bad thing. What men are objecting to is this desexualized woman wearing plaid and poofy skirts and short cropped hair is THE SAME girl who a short time ago was wearing pink and black miniskirts, tight sweaters and had long flowing blonde hair. These SAME girls twirled and giggled that hair at the 10% guys until they got the hard dicking they were seeking.

    Don’t try to tell us that these church sluts don’t know how to attract men. They know. They are just practicing for married life as a denying, asexual harridan and can’t understand why those “lower” men are not lining up for her now that she is 30, and is totally desexualized but retains that 1,000 c-ck stare.

  131. BuenaVista says:

    LeeLee comments on dumpy, asexual churchgoing women:

    Have you examined the majority male cohort? 40 or 50-inch waist, and a fashion sense that would would repel a suicide bomber. My point is that the average churchian church is anti-sex, and its subscribers make manifest this preference.

    The happy (i.e., sexually active) couples, in my experience, do not dress themselves at Goodwill.

  132. Dota says:

    Have you examined the majority male cohort? 40 or 50-inch waist, and a fashion sense that would would repel a suicide bomber.

    Perhaps, but these men don’t have pastors campaigning for their sexual prospects (or lack thereof)

  133. Hells Hound says:

    The young men are pissing away their time with computer games because the young women are either unattractive or unattainable.

    The flipside is that young women are pissing their time away with romance novels, women’s magazines, leftist posturing, carousel watching, clubbing, make-work jobs etc. because young men are either unattractive for sex or unattainable for relationships. Good luck finding even one word uttered about this in the mainstream media.

    Of course, in the sphere and TRP and so on, we advise young women to work on themselves, to self-improve in various ways. But they have to be motivated to do so, and there isn’t much to be done about this as long as they see no point in assortatively eliciting commitment from their male peers.

  134. BuenaVista says:

    @Dota:

    But most congregations are filled with married male congregants who applaud those pastors.

    My comment has nothing to do with your implicit “the pastor started it!” concern. My concern is that the happy stooges that self-identify as “men” in these churchian churches are rowing the same boat as the anti-sex women. And my argument is this: they’re actually affirming my argument (as are you) by choosing to eat and dress themselves into pre- or post-diabetic ridiculousness.

  135. Cane Caldo says:

    I just watched the video. (Thanks Hemant!) As I watched it I thought to myself, “That guy is from Texas”. Lo, I have heard him preach live! In fact I’ve written about him and his church twice before.

    The church where that clip was filmed is called “Faith Christian Center”. It used to have the laughably confused name “The Center for Overcoming Faith”; which I mentioned here. Back when I lived in the area I drove by the pre-construction sign daily: “Coming Soon: The Center for Overcoming Faith”.

    Until today I didn’t know that church had the same pastor from whom I’d heard the worst, damning even, bit of preaching I’ve ever heard.

    Mike is right; except that those men in the audience don’t think he’s talking about them. Lingerfelt’s church on I-30 was called “Cathedral of Praise”. I believe it went bankrupt. Lingerfelt, unlike many of the pastors Dalrock rightfully skewers, is definitely a huckster in it for the money.

    @BillyS and Looking Glass

    I know from whereof I speak. (1.3+ KDR on Xbox versions of CoD BO3 and MW3, yo!) Video games are entertainment, a diversion. Diversions, like junk food, are fine in small amounts. Thirty or forty or more hours a week in mere diversion is not healthy. The benefits of video games (problem-solving, et al) are maxed-out in a short span of time. A part-time job’s worth of video games does not perpetually increase problem-solving skills.

    So which activities are allowed during this time? Do you have to approve of the activities? I am sure I play 20+ hours a week on video games at times, though I watch YouTube only occasionally and NetFlix quite rarely, in spite of paying for it. Generally seek to skip the websites you note for obvious holiness reasons.

    Why is your chosen free time activity (and what is that?) inhernetly more holy than playing a video game? What do you base that call on?

    Not “more holy”, but “wiser”. It’s not holier to be fit than fat, but it is wiser, and the things that cause fatness can be sinful. Video games have few benefits. They are designed to distract us, and numb us. (Watching sports all day and ESPN all night isn’t any better.)

    What do I do? Leaving family obligations out of it: I write, and at the end I have an essay. I fish, and (God willing) I have fish. I woodwork, and I have a bench, a couch, a chair, and several other things that I’ve made, and others that I’ve sold. I watch some YouTube (probably 30 minutes a day); usually instructionals on the previous topics. I plot food vending endeavors and study real estate laws; my pedestrian ideas for future, stable, businesses. With the exception of writing, I include my family members in the rest of it, as well. Sometimes I play Halo with my son; once every couple weeks for no more than an hour.

  136. BillyS says:

    You are much better than many of us Cane. I have gamed my life away (along with sleeping through grad school) and have a quite nice career. I could make more and I do need to write more, but I spend very minimal time in front of the TV (on demand, recorded or live), so this is just my vice.

    Fishing holds little interest for me and I am not sure I would trust any of the fish I could catch to eat anywhere near me in Fort Worth anyway. I keep collecting things for my woodshop, but I am not coordinated enough to make things as much as you likely are.

    Yes, I can spend too much time in games and I need to write more, but it is far from as unhelpful as other activities could be. I will never be Mr. Fixit in the shop, though I do what is needful around the house.

    I have minimal family responsibilities with no children at home, so I am not missing much there. Church activities would have met a need in the past, but not so much now. Me making cabinets in my garage could easily be less productive and far more wasteful of money than playing Destiny a bit too much.

    I also get some fellowship there, being part of a Christian players group.

    I do credit God with advancing my career in spite of my tendency to slack, but I don’t see dropping video games any time soon, or going with the 20-minute sessions the preacher advocates.

    ====

    I did think his name was familiar. I remembered hearing in the past, having lived in the DFW area for some time. I went to a church with the same name as his current place, but I would almost certainly have walked out of the service had I been there during this one.

    My current pastor isn’t as strong on things as I would prefer, but he is not way off base like this.

    ====

    Someone mentioned called pastors being likely used car salesmen: That is because many of those are evangelists and it is all really some branch of selling. I had a pastor for years who was definitely passionate about his call, but also kept getting caught up in sales schemes. I would argue that it goes with the territory.

  137. Cane Caldo says:

    @BillyS

    I have gamed my life away (along with sleeping through grad school) and have a quite nice career.

    I basically quit both. You could too. One astute thing Looking Glass said above was:

    (That’s before any discussion of diet/physical activity comes into play. We train Men to sit all day, so what logical direction would we focus our entertainment? )

    Let me rephrase that: Video games are part of the training to get us to live lives of complacency.

  138. Abelard Lindsey says:

    AbelardLindsey @ 5:44 pm:
    “People, in general, are more rational than you give them credit for.”

    You must be new to the Manosphere. The sordid truth is that most of humanity never outgrows high school. You will soon be amazed at how much of human behavior is sexually motivated compared to financially motivated… or even self-preservation.

    Well I can tell you that I am far more driven by self-preservation (radical life extension, cryonics) and secondly by financial gain. Sexuality is a very distant third place fringe benefit for success in these first two endeavors. I can also tell you that memes that would impede my pursuit of my objectives are as worthless as tits on a boar hog. I have no use for shit memes such as religion or socialism.

    As a libertarian transhumanist, I consider myself and my life goals to be infinitely superior to the “most of humanity that never outgrows high school” as you put it.

  139. Novaseeker says:

    Abelard —

    OK, but you do realize that most people are not motivated by cryonics or radical life extension, and are not transhumanists, either. So when speaking about *general* motivations of people in general, those criteria are hardly relevant, even though they may be relevant for you.

    This is also a blog frequented by many Christians (notice the topics, for example), so transhumanism and dissing of religion as a “shit meme” is generally not going to go down well here.

    Just saying.

  140. Novaseeker says:

    The thing about video games is that there are literally tons of other things you could be doing that are much more self-improving than video games are. There are some minor benefits to gaming that, as Cane says, are maxed with relatively little time. Past that time, you get more ROI from almost anything else — like learning new skills, arts, creativity, physical endeavors, socializing — virtually anything, really. It’s fine to have some pure passive downtime entertainment now and again, but spending huge amounts of time with it has huge opportunity costs as compared with almost anything else you could be doing with that time.

  141. BillyS says:

    Everything has an opportunity cost. Finding other men who share a close enough worldview to spend time with is another challenge.

    Perhaps I should drive to Cane’s house since it looks like he lives fairly nearby! He could try to teach me woodworking. Though I suspect he would be more in favor of video games for me after doing that for a while!

  142. nastynate says:

    Abelard Lindsey says:
    “I have no use for shit memes such as religion…”

    There is no possible way you missed the fact that this is a Christian male space. There are literally hundreds if not thousands of other non-religious internet male spaces you could have gone to.

  143. American says:

    “This is the opposite of reality, but newspapers have a strong incentive to give the sense that ‘everyone is doing it’ to both sell feminist divorce empowerment and to sell copy.”

    ^ Ah, there it is: the truth.

  144. feeriker says:

    “This is the opposite of reality, but newspapers have a strong incentive to give the sense that ‘everyone is doing it’ to both sell feminist divorce empowerment and to sell copy.”

    ^ Ah, there it is: the truth.

    An opportunistic cynic might decide to follow this career path:
    http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2016/05/make-fortune-selling-lies-to-women.html

    As Yoda would say: “a very lucrative career this would be.”

  145. Isa says:

    @BuenaVista You forgot that the attractive unmarried men at church are 70% gay. So the male cohort is gay, asexual, celibate (by choice or not by choice), or has already slept with half the female singles. The females follow a similar sorting pattern, but there are generally far more women than men that attend regular service while single. I would also posit a lower rate of lesbians and higher rate of asexuality manifested through scrupulousity and “chastity” expressed through frumpiness.

    So the real question for the good pastor isn’t get the guys to man up, but rather why do young men and some women only start going to church after they marry? Inducing gay men in the congregation to marry women tends not to work out well…

  146. American says:

    “Why can’t he find men to marry the women he is teaching to have contempt for men?”

    ^ ROFL! This made my day. Keep them coming Dalrock. Expose the hypocrisies.

  147. Micha Elyi says:

    Hey, does this mean that married churchgoing men have the right to:

    Toss out their wives’ copies of “Twilight” (including the DVD’s), fanfic “50 Shades of Gray”, all rom-porn (especially the new shape-changing genre), etc.?
    Prohibit their wives from viewing such things at other women’s houses?
    Ban them from Facebook and other social media that takes time away from couple bonding?
    Anonymous Reader

    Good question. Instead of pretending to psychic powers and claiming you already know Pastor Gene Lingerfelt’s answer, try writing him a polite letter and ask. Of course, you’d have to give up anonymity in order to receive a reply.

    I’m not interested in Mr. Lingerfelt’s theories of Christian marriage because I know he has no authority to teach about such things. He just has a redacted copy of a book from a Church whose authority he denies.

  148. Cane Caldo says:

    @BillyS

    My email is on my website. Click on the tab titled “Who is Cane Caldo?”.

  149. Cane Caldo says:

    @BillyS

    Forgot I took it off. If you leave a comment on my site, I can email you if you want.

  150. Anonymous Reader says:

    Micha
    ,Good question. Instead of pretending to psychic powers and claiming you already know Pastor Gene Lingerfelt’s answer,

    Where did I do that? Are you asserting that asking rhetorical questions constitutes a claim of “psychic powers”, or a claim to know another man’s mind?

    You wouldn’t be projecting here, would you? Yes, this is also a rhetorical question.

    try writing him a polite letter and ask. Of course, you’d have to give up anonymity in order to receive a reply.

    Why would I care what his answer is?

    I’m not interested in Mr. Lingerfelt’s theories of Christian marriage because I know he has no authority to teach about such things. He just has a redacted copy of a book from a Church whose authority he denies.

    Aside from trolling me for flames, do you have any sort of point to make, dearie?

  151. OKRickety says:

    I’m not interested in Mr. Lingerfelt’s theories of Christian marriage because I know he has no authority to teach about such things. He just has a redacted copy of a book from a Church whose authority he denies.

    Aside from trolling me for flames, do you have any sort of point to make, dearie?

    I think this paragraph is another of Micha’s “drive-by” comments where he fires another volley of his preferred ammo: “the Roman Catholic Church is the only real church”.

    Why the previous part of his comment? Only Micha knows for sure.

  152. galloper6 says:

    I am still in awe or shock, by the weapons grade bulls—– by this man.

    Churches full of “beautiful women who cant get dates” ???? If that was even partially true, this site would not exist. The Manosphere would not exist, The churches would soon be packed with zealous young men ready to march on what every crusade was projected.
    Perhaps we could call him a Fantasyist.

  153. infowarrior1 says:

    ”American Christians, in particular, are so desperate for some form of affirmation of themselves and their beliefs by the popular culture that they’ll clutch at any straws they can grab within the mainstream that even hint at Christian ideas and hold them up as shining examples of reverential art. ”

    The love of the world runs deep.

  154. cptnemo2013 says:

    Reblogged this on MGTOW 2.0.

  155. Micha Elyi says:

    <I am not Christian so I am trying to understand how it is a good idea for a religious leader to encourage a woman to destroy a product that costs $500. Is the pastor serious, or is it a joke?
    jew613

    I conclude that Mr. Gene Lingerfelt is joking. Were he serious, he’d have started by telling the congregation to throw away their boob tubes (television sets).

  156. feeriker says:

    Were he serious, he’d have started by telling the congregation to throw away their boob tubes (television sets).

    I guarantee you that no self-promoting churchivangelical preacher would ever dare make such a suggestion, and for two reasons.

    1. Telling churchivangelicals to toss their televisions would be to ask them to divorce the culture. Ain’t gonna happen. Ever. They’ll toss him first.

    2. Guys like Lingerfelt aspire to fame, which is only possible by establishing a boob tube presence, a la Oral Roberts, Jimmy Swaggart, et al. Telling your followers to ditch their TVs would thus be a moronic move.

  157. BillyS says:

    I will leave a comment Cane.

    No rush on content, but I would have no trouble meeting up if you were up for it. I would love to learn more about woodworking as well, though I want to do far too many things.

  158. BillyS says:

    He was not joking. Plenty of those type people are disconnected from reality.

  159. I’m in my forty’s. To young men I say this:

    1. Give up video games. Men don’t play them. Only boys do.
    2. Live chaste lives, pray daily, attend church services.
    3. Pray God will send you a good, prayerful Christian women, otherwise stay single. Modern marriage is a sham.
    4. Lift heavy; seek arduous tasks.
    5. Being a man is about sacrifice. Accept it.

    Jesus was the perfect man. Model your life after His.

  160. Gunner Q says:

    jameshickey2014 @ 5:03 am:
    “I’m in my forty’s. To young men I say this:

    1. Give up video games. Men don’t play them. Only boys do.”

    Sure, if you buy me a bigger residence with an attached garage for a woodworking shop or fishing boat & trailer, or a five-acre hobby ranch so I can learn “useful” skills instead of “wasting my time” on mere entertainment. I don’t think you realize how impoverished the generation of men you’re talking to is. Those college degrees you older men demand as the price of a job interview aren’t free.

    2. Live chaste lives, pray daily, attend church services.

    Dude… women are so badly behaved, I CANNOT live an unchaste life. Who do you think you’re talking to, George Clooney?

    3. Pray God will send you a good, prayerful Christian women, otherwise stay single. Modern marriage is a sham.

    We should ask God for help? What a great idea! It never occurred to me.

    4. Lift heavy; seek arduous tasks.

    Sure, in return for reward. The worker is worth his wages.

    5. Being a man is about sacrifice. Accept it.

    Let’s start with you. Go wax my car for free, every week, or you’re a Peter Pan manboy! And I’m sure it would be a sacrifice to give me $500 a month gratis.

    If my point isn’t already obvious: Stop ordering us to do what YOU want in return for NO reward. Make us a better offer, maybe one with incentives instead of shaming. Matthew 23:4, Luke 11:46.

  161. feeriker says:

    OT, but I just have to share this:

    Our pastor announced this morning that Mother’s Day is going to last all month.

    That’s right: today, and the remaining two Sundays of this month, the sermons are going to be focused on mothers. Today’s offering was based on Proverbs 31, the last two verses. After the service all mothers in the congregation were asked to come forward for a special prayer.

    I wish I were joking. In fact, I remember jokingly thinking to myself last Sunday as I stayed home that it would be just my luck that they avoided a gynocentric sermon on Mother’s Day and would serve it up the following Sunday. Apparently one gynocentric sermon on Mother’s Day wasn’t enough to appease the estrogen vessels. They need three more.

    To the pastor’s credit, there was no father/husband bashing in today’s message, but he’s got two weeks left to work that in. I have no doubt he will at some point.

    Needless to say, I’ll be spending hhe next two Sundays visiting new churches.

    Churchianity in Spanish isn’t any more palatable than it is in English.

  162. Hank Flanders says:

    feeriker

    there was no father/husband bashing in today’s message,

    That’s what Father’s Day is for. Report back to us after June 19.

  163. James Hickey, shame on you. You have no right, nor the invitation to tell younger men what to do. That era is past. Its a new era, particularly for those Christian men who have discovered the red pill.

    You have no authority to enforce your ridiculous demands. Keep your feminist imperative solutions about telling men to sacrifice to yourself.

  164. feeriker says:

    That’s what Father’s Day is for. Report back to us after June 19.

    If I don’t attend services on Mother’s Day, I’m most certainly not going to do so on Father’s Day either.

  165. Hank Flanders says:

    Haha, yeah, I figured, feeriker. Personally, I plan to go on Father’s Day just to see what happens.

  166. feeriker says:

    IBB @janethickey2014

    You have no authority to enforce your ridiculous demands. Keep your feminist imperative solutions about telling men to sacrifice to yourself.

    Well, we have to admit one thing: her FI rant is no different nor any worse than anything the churches serve up today. That’s one reason why prayer requests for individual men (or for any given group of men, for that matter) are so often glossed over or just ignored. Men are just supposed to suck it up and man up. God’s got their backs (hasn’t He always had THEIR backs before anyone else’s? Patriarchy, donchaknow?), so don’t waste time asking anyone else to have their backs too.

  167. Morrel says:

    I can relate to a lot of the stuff you guys are saying here.There is no place left for free-thinking men in this world any more. Women still ask where all the real men have gone, but the reality is that real men are so over it that they can’t even be bothered with the question. They’re content to watch the comedy unfold between two permanently dissatisfied camps: On one hand, the entitled modern feminist woman and on the other the white knight (aka dancing monkey) modern man.

  168. galloper6 says:

    And so the base theme keeps repeating like in a melody; Women keep demanding MORE and MORE, offering less and less/ and men are just walking away.

  169. The Old Sarge says:

    “Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful young gals”

    There he goes with the “B” word again. To paraphrase “The Princess Bride”, I don’t think that word means what you think it means. They *might* — or might not! — be more or less “physically attractive”, but if they are rebellious, they are most emphatically *not* “beautiful”.

    (And, from what I’ve seen, most of ’em aren’t even all that attractive.)

  170. BillyS says:

    Give up video games. Men don’t play them. Only boys do.

    This is mostly just a lack of keeping up with the times. It has already been noted that games fill a roll filled in the past by other hobby activities.

    We no longer live in a society where every minute must be productive. Pushing for that is not a good thing for everyone. It may be that some of us could balance leisure and productive tasks better, but claiming no place for leisure or that leisure must be in specific boxes is a bad argument.

  171. Linx says:

    @jameshickey2014

    “Give up video games. Men don’t play them. Only boys do.”

    Says who? http://cdn.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/images/800×800/dimg/m_img_50357.jpg

  172. galloper6 says:

    “Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful young gals”

    There he goes with the “B” word again. To paraphrase “The Princess Bride”, I don’t think that word means what you think it means. They *might* — or might not! — be more or less “physically attractive”, but if they are rebellious, they are most emphatically *not* “beautiful”.

    (And, from what I’ve seen, most of ’em aren’t even all that attractive.)

    Translation; They are beautiful to their own mothers. Nevermind that men do not see a woman through a mothers eyes. Yes I know “ITS NOT FAIR!” just fact.

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  174. Jay Karknee says:

    I’m actually starting to get bored with this stuff. I love to see these white knight frauds obsess over video games. I’m certainly not the first to make this observation, but if playing video games was primarily a female hobby verses a male one this “pastor” would be praising these games as well as blaming men for forcing women to the xbox. I can hear the speech all the way from the counter factual universe: “Look at all these beautiful women, enjoying time alone and embracing technology! Can anyone blame them? Why would they date some dead beat who lets them pick up every check, rather than using their hard earned money to relax on their own?” Then we would hear about how playing video games is so challenging, that it indicates a high intellect and that the reason men don’t play is that they are too stupid and lazy. They would rather spend other people’s money at the mall etc. etc. etc. I’m sick of all this, and I’m very glad that my son plays video games rather than date the whores at his workplace who could care less about his happiness.

  175. Cane Caldo says:

    @Jay Karknee

    I’m certainly not the first to make this observation, but if playing video games was primarily a female hobby verses a male one this “pastor” would be praising these games as well as blaming men for forcing women to the xbox.

    It’s already happened. Between Facebook, other social media, and casual games, the era of female gaming is already upon us.

    Then we would hear about how playing video games is so challenging, that it indicates a high intellect and that the reason men don’t play is that they are too stupid and lazy.

    No. What you’re hearing now is the pastoral response, and that sound is: Silence.

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  177. princeasbel says:

    Greetings, Dalrock.

    I made a YouTube video about this clip, and my video was taken down via copyright claim by Austin Lingerfelt, the son of Gene Lingerfelt (who is also the associate pastor of Faith Christian Center of Arlington). The video is not watchable now, but if anyone clicks this link, they can see that it’s unavailable due to the claim made by FCC.

    I filed a counter-copyright claim which YouTube has approved, and now it’s up to FCC to provide evidence that they are going to court to keep my video from being reinstated. If they don’t respond, YouTube will bring my video back up by June 3rd. If they retract their claim before then, then my video will go up earlier, which is what I hope will happen. Oh, I Tweeted about how YouTube approved my counter-copyright claim and mentioned FCC and Austin Lingerfelt by their Twitter handles. Austin has not blocked me, but FCC has. So weird, but interesting how they wish to suppress and keep quiet the people who exposed Gene Lingerfelt for the man he is. Funny how they react in the face of criticism from such losers as gamers.😉

    Oh, I also asked Gene Lingerfelt on Twitter if he stood by his words in that clip. He responded by blocking me as well. lol

    On a final note, I want to thank you for writing so much about Sheila Gregoire in the past. Your article titled “Reframing Christian marriage part 5: sex as a weapon.” had a quote from her about wives not needing to become what their husbands think is pretty. I cited that quote from her book briefly in my video because it strikes me that if a pastor is complaining about women in his congregation not getting dates even though they’re allegedly beautiful-beautiful-beautiful, then they must be using standards of what’s actually beautiful that gamers don’t share. lol

  178. Hi, just a chick, here –

    Clearly, you don’t frequent this guy’s church or videos. This segment was a drop in the bucket, a moment in time, likely only semi-annually to ever be seen again where this church isn’t all about men 24/7. His ministry is for men.

    You’ll find no preacher less feminist than him. Pls don’t just pop off at the mouth with these generalizations that are clearly overwhelmingly ignorant of the 99th percentile of this guy’s content. If he calls a man a loser, it’s extremely rare and probably well deserved.

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