Honey, I’m home!

While Pastor Saeed Abedini was flying home to see his wife and children yesterday after being imprisoned for his faith for nearly four years, his wife Naghmeh was preparing a special surprise for him. According to a local news station, this surprise resembles the one Jenny Erikson had for her husband:

…a case filed Tuesday in court that shows Naghmeh Panahi vs. Saeed Abedini with Judge Jill Jurries for domestic relations. Legal experts say that could mean a couple of different things, from separation to support to divorce.

A surprise ruined.

Earlier Naghmeh had complained to the Baptist Press that someone had ruined another surprise she had in store for him when he was first released. She explained that someone had told Pastor Abedini about her accusations that he was abusing her from prison:

“It’s unfortunate that your family is going through so much pain and people try to profit off of it and put it out there,” she said. “Because Saeed was made aware of it, it will make it that much harder for us to pursue healing and reconciliation. So I was very heartbroken.”

After that she decided not to take their children to meet him in Germany.  Naghmeh told the Idaho Statesman that the new plan was for her to fly out with the kids on Monday of this week (Jan 25) to begin “going through counseling” with Saeed at a retreat in North Carolina:

He will be at a retreat center with his parents for a few days and then the kids and I will join him on Monday and will be taking weeks or months healing as a family and going through counseling

It would seem that Pastor Abedini changed those plans and decided instead to fly home Tuesday to finally be reunited with his wife and children.

Pastor Abedini, have you stopped beating your wife?

Not all of the surprise is ruined, however, as Naghmeh told the Baptist Press that now that she has whispered accusations against her husband she will not elaborate further and instead will expect Saeed to tell the world about how he abused her:

“I think when it’s time,” she told BP, “I think it’s a story that needs to be told by Saeed, not me. I think it had better not be anything that I focus on anymore.”

This fits her pattern from the very beginning.  After she sent the email saying she was living a lie and would stop her advocacy for Saeed’s release, she has been careful to passively aggressively make statements in support of the charges repeated by the press while never actually going on record making the allegations*.

Pray for repentance and reconciliation.

This is seriously ugly business, but we should remember that marriage is sacred and that there are children at risk of growing up in a broken home.  I pray for repentance and reconciliation in their family and a return to the biblical roles of husband and wife.  I ask those reading to do the same.

If Pastor Abedini doesn’t deserve better from Christian leaders and the press, no Christian husband does.

Over the years many men have commented on this blog that they were abandoned by their churches once their wives decided to blow up their families.  While this will be small comfort, they should at least realize that this wasn’t due to any defect in themselves.  In this case we had a persecuted pastor being accused of abusing his wife from his Iranian prison cell, and the best response he received was silence as his wife publicly erased him from the picture.

*Update (H/T Coloradomtnman): Naghmeh has finally made a specific claim against Saeed outside of the whispering campaign she has lead for months.  See this local news article for a full reproduction of her post on Facebook (emphasis mine):

I do deeply regret that I hid from the public the abuse that I have lived with for most of our marriage and I ask your forgiveness. I sincerely had hoped that this horrible situation Saeed has had to go through would bring about the spiritual change needed in both of us to bring healing to our marriage.

Tragically, the opposite has occurred. Three months ago Saeed told me things he demanded I must do to promote him in the eyes of the public that I simply could not do any longer. He threatened that if I did not the results would be the end of our marriage and the resulting pain this would bring to our children.

Naghmeh also explains that she went to the family courts to “establish boundaries” with Saeed.

Update 2:  Commenter Craig looked up the filing:

She filed for separation, a pair of TROs, and counseling for divorcing parents.  See for yourself:

https://www.idcourts.us/repository/mainpublic_id.do?forward=mainpublic_id

Case: CV-DR-2016-01483 Magistrate Filed: 01/26/2016 Subtype: Domestic Relations Judge: Jill S. Jurries Status: Pending

(CERTAIN DOCUMENTS MAY BE ACCESSIBLE UNDER I.C.A.R 32)
Defendants: Abedini, Saeed
Plaintiffs: Panahi, Naghmeh
Register of actions: Date
01/26/2016 New Case Filed – Domestic Relations
01/26/2016 Petition for Legal Separation
01/26/2016 Summons Filed
01/26/2016 Joint Tro Property
01/26/2016 Joint Tro Children
01/26/2016 Order To Attend Focus On Children (2/24/16)

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282 Responses to Honey, I’m home!

  1. Deep Thought says:

    As a Muslim, I am glad they are both apostates. What an ugly embarrassing family. Disgusting does not describe them.

  2. SnapperTrx says:

    What an awful person she is. So, instead of going into some type of counseling or recovery for spending 4 years in a horrible place where he was beaten repeatedly and who knows what else, Saeed will instead be forced to go into counseling to be told what an awful husband and father he has been. I doubt it would happen, but I will hope that he will quickly come to his senses and put this harpy away and let her live alone with her own devices. It’s a sad day when a man starts to remember fondly the days of being in a solitary cell, with only a physical beating from an unknown soldier to look forward to, rather than the mental beating his “loving” and “caring” wife will deliver right before bed time.

  3. shadescale says:

    Praying, Dalrock.

    However, Treebeard expresses what I think of Naghmeh Panahi: “There are no words in Entish, Elvish, or tongues of men for her treachery.”

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  5. paddy says:

    Duluth Model, I take it? He may wish to be back in prison…

  6. Lol, there is no worse hell than marrying a woman.

  7. Jim says:

    “Lol, there is no worse hell than marrying a woman.”

    Honestly FH I am utterly mystified why men are still marrying these insects. Do these pussy boys all have extreme dominatrix fantasies or something? What a bunch of pathetic little simps.

  8. Opus says:

    I looked at Mrs Abedini’s Facebook, and her profile picture is now just herself – looking somewhat forlorn – and her cover picture only her and the children – all looking equally glum: A picture or two says a thousand words, does it not. Her latest post has over ten thousand likes and a vast number of comments all gushing over this poor abused wife. As it is pointless leaving a comment and (where I am) probably enough to interest the police – for what I might have said would not have been sufficiently ‘nice’, I left in silence.

    I presume that she has political ambitions.

  9. Don Quixote says:

    Deep Thought says:
    January 27, 2016 at 1:08 pm

    As a Muslim, I am glad they are both apostates. What an ugly embarrassing family. Disgusting does not describe them.

    I would encourage you to think a bit deeper than what you have said above. Do you believe what this woman has said about her husband? Do you like to kick a man when he is down? There is nothing to suggest that Pastor Saeed Abedini is an apostate.

  10. thedeti says:

    From a legal standpoint it’s not easy to say what the nature of the legal filing is. From descriptions in Naghmeh Panahi’s Facebook page, it’s a step to make sure the kids stay in Boise for the time being. The legal expert they cited, the Idaho attorney general, said most domestic relations cases like this are precursors to divorce.

    It sounds like this court filing is in the nature of what lawyers call a request for a temporary restraining order (TRO) or a preliminary injunction. TROs are usually granted without a hearing and on an emergency basis, and expire after a set period of time (usually 10 to 14 days) so a hearing on the merits can be held. Then if necessary after hearing the court issues a preliminary injunction.

    A TRO tells parties on an emergency basis what they can do and cannot do. It sounds like if there is or will be a TRO it will be a status quo order – kids stay where they are now. Same with an injunction, after a hearing.

    I noted a couple of things. Naghmeh uses her maiden name in the court filing. That might have been to throw the press off track; but that doesn’t explain why she felt the need to publicize it on social media. Second, she is now blaming Saeed – saying he was telling her to do things to help him that she couldn’t do.

    Another man is about to be pulled through the gears of divorce court, I fear.

  11. RichardP says:

    On the referenced Facebook page, Naghmeh says “I want our reconciliation to be strictly based on God’s Word.”

    Really? The word in Genesis, where God says he made her to be a proper and fitting help for Saeed, where God says “he will rule over you”? Or the words in the New Testament that say to first confront the abuser. Then, if he will not obey you, you are to take your beef to the elders of the Media for a thorough public shaming, lest the devil have his way.

    We’ve been over this before, in multiple blogs in this corner of the internet. What did God actually say? Does she know? Does she care? This is going to be an excellent opportunity for many of the recent commenters on this subject to bring this question to a wider audience – through commenting on internet articles where commenting is allowed: What did God actually say? What kind of a reconciliation is consistant with God’s word, where God says “he will rule over you”, in a situation where she claims “I could no longer do what he asked me to do”?

    I’m guessing we shall soon see what she thinks God’s word says are her responsibilities to God’s claim on her life and Saeed’s claim on her life. She will be an object lesson for all to see.

  12. Jim says:

    “What did God actually say?…. Does she care?”

    No. Her God is her. It’s very obvious.

  13. TLM says:

    This skank has been cheating on him for some time now. All her abuse claims are a smokescreen. I bet millions she was pissed when she found out about his sudden release. God threw a curve ball at this bitch and now she’s doubling down with a court action instead of repenting.

  14. lozozlo says:

    What makes this all the worse is that she is taking her FI-addled wickedness and sin and wrapping it with the Cross.

    Truly sick.

    As Jim said, I also don’t understand why any man gets married today.

    Seriously guys – I am a man and have hormones too – but is a few years of youth and beauty really worth tying yourself to some traitorous whore who views you as nothing but a pack mule and cannon fodder? Control yourself and try to see what modern amerikan women really are – lift the hormone fog and observe what the reality of modern marriage really is!

  15. lozozlo says:

    Also – was Nagmeh originally from Iran? If so, then that shows the “foreign women are better” crowd up.

    Foreign women aren’t better – they just live in a culture where their traitorous whoredom is more tightly controlled. The instant they get a chance to betray their man they’ll do it.

    Everytime.

  16. SJB says:

    Nasty piece of business dealing with an attention whore after an unjust imprisonment. Out of the frying pan into the fire.

  17. castle says:

    Saeed’s tragic story has caused me to delurk. First 3+ years of tortuous imprisonment, and now this.
    The degree of contempt I have for his wife is beyond words. But even worse are the christian leaders who are accepting Naghmeh’s narrative of abuse by saying that Saeed is a “humbled and broken man”. They are just piling on while thinking themselves wise.
    My heart goes out to him and he needs our prayers now more than ever, he is about to go through perhaps the most grueling time of his life. No doubt he will soon look back fondly at his time in Elvin. Elvin prison hath no fury like Naghmeh scorned.

  18. RichardP says:

    @TLM: “All her abuse claims are a smokescreen.”

    We don’t know what, if anything, both he and she are guilty of. If we want to make spiritual points here, I think we weaken our case when we make claims that we can neither prove nor disprove.

    @ lozozlo makes the point most relevant: “… she is taking her FI-addled wickedness and sin and wrapping it with the Cross.”

    I have no special insight to know who’s to bless and who’s to blame – in terms of their relationship issues, and I doubt anybody here does either. But that is really not the point. The point is claiming to the world that she wants a Biblical solution, when her behavior makes it clear that she does not know what that Biblical solution is. That is a discrepancy upon which we can and should comment with gusto (as a teaching tool). Being mindful of the fact that grace would not be needed if we were all capable of behaving perfectly.

  19. feeriker says:

    Not to be crowing “I told you so” to all of those here who urged us to lay off this obviously duplicitous bitch (come on now, guys, Helen Keller could’ve seen this coming), but I’ll be happy to provide gourmet seasonings to make the crow taste a little better.

    Seriously, though, the real test is going to be of “Christian” “leaders” and how they react to this. I’m sure we all know the answer to that to, but I’ll be generous and give them a chance to prove us wrong.

    Finally, Dalrock, you are correct in saying that prayer, not only for Saeed and the children, but for Nagmeh is in order. It’s easy to pray for people we love or respect. Our enemies or people deserving of our censure and aprobrium? Not so much. Still, as Christians we are obligated to love and pray for those who are unlovable. Furthermore, it would do us all well to remember, as things move forward, that whatever discomfort Nagmeh will suffer from the coming typhoon of manosphere backlash and negative publicity (and she ain’t seen NOTHIN’ yet), it will be nothing compared to what awaits her eternal soul if she does not repent.

    Saeed, my brother, hold fast and continue to rely on the Lord. Know that others who love you are aware of what is happening and are praying constantly for you and your children!

  20. Liz says:

    “…a case filed Tuesday in court that shows Naghmeh Panahi vs. Saeed Abedini with Judge Jill Jurries for domestic relations. Legal experts say that could mean a couple of different things, from separation to support to divorce.”

    If that is true, I must concede I was wrong.

  21. Hawk&Rock says:

    I suspect we will see some outrage from the tradcon blue pillers about suggesting another man is in the picture without any such evidence surfacing …. Yet.

    But those of us who have been through this know the script all too well. She either has had an affair or has had a man picked out and primed for one for awhile now. It’s just the way these things work.

    The support from the church for her…? Also just part of the script. Women are masters at controlling the narrative to amass social support and the churches are completely aligned with the FI in these cases. (Except for the “extreme” “nutball” type conservative churches of course and there’s not enough of those left to matter).

    Pray for them.

  22. joshtheaspie says:

    Don Quixote says:
    January 27, 2016 at 1:46 pm
    There is nothing to suggest that Pastor Saeed Abedini is an apostate.

    They have converted from Islam to Christianity. In my understanding, under Sharia, this marks them both as Apostates who should be killed. This is the issue for which Saeed was imprisoned.

    I believe that the form of the rebut you intended, was that there is no reason to believe that Saeed has behaved shamefully (from a Christian perspective).

  23. feeriker says:

    RichardP said:

    The point is claiming to the world that she wants a Biblical solution, when her behavior makes it clear that she does not know what that Biblical solution is. That is a discrepancy upon which we can and should comment with gusto (as a teaching tool).

    Sorry, but I’m inclined to believe that she absolutely DOES know what that biblical solution is, as do most women who (claim to) seriously study the Bible. The trouble is that that “biblical solution” RUNS COUNTER TO THE FI.

  24. Bdawg16 says:

    Hawk&Rock says:

    January 27, 2016 at 2:48 pm

    “I suspect we will see some outrage from the tradcon blue pillers about suggesting another man is in the picture without any such evidence surfacing …. Yet.

    But those of us who have been through this know the script all too well. She either has had an affair or has had a man picked out and primed for one for awhile now. It’s just the way these things work.

    The support from the church for her…? Also just part of the script. Women are masters at controlling the narrative to amass social support and the churches are completely aligned with the FI in these cases. (Except for the “extreme” “nutball” type conservative churches of course and there’s not enough of those left to matter).

    Pray for them.”

    Well said and my thoughts exactly. The support from the “church” is what gets me the most. If you’ve lived through an ordeal like this, seeing it happen to another brother in Christ is painful.

  25. feeriker says:

    If that is true, I must concede I was wrong.

    Thank you, Liz.

  26. Dalrock says:

    @Liz

    “…a case filed Tuesday in court that shows Naghmeh Panahi vs. Saeed Abedini with Judge Jill Jurries for domestic relations. Legal experts say that could mean a couple of different things, from separation to support to divorce.”

    If that is true, I must concede I was wrong.

    The only question appears to be exactly what she filed against Saeed in the family courts. From her facebook post, it sounds like those speculating that it is a TRO regarding the children are right:

    In very difficult situations sometimes you have to establish boundaries while you work toward healing. I have taken temporary legal action to make sure our children will stay in Idaho until this situation has been resolved. I love my husband, but as some might understand, there are times when love must stop enabling something that has become a growing cancer. We cannot go on the way it has been. I hope and pray our marriage can be healed. I believe in a God who freed Saeed from the worst prisons can hear our plea and bring spiritual freedom.

    But no matter the specifics of her legal action against her husband, this is a brutal homecoming for a man she has whispered about for months while he was in prison.

  27. Saeed is about to find out that the worst of Iran’s prisons, tortures and evil is nothing compared to the American feminist Churches, Court System, Judges, ‘for profit’ prisons and divorces. Iran might take your hand or other body parts, even your life but America will take your soul, your very being will be destroyed.

    Good luck Saeed, you’re going to need it. The worst man to be before the West’s laws is that of a Christian man.

  28. feeriker says:

    I believe that the form of the rebut you intended, was that there is no reason to believe that Saeed has behaved shamefully (from a Christian perspective).

    God forbid that this ever happens, but if Saeed were to renounce his Christian faith after all of this tragedy and suffering and beg for forgiveness for his apostasy of Islam, can anyone say that they would really be surprised – or that they would have an easy time blaming him?

    If the churchians stay true to form and throw Saeed under the bus, they will have done more to evangelize for Islam than any radical Islamic group could ever dream of doing.

    Vile, sickening, shameful, wretched people.

  29. Hawk&Rock says:

    ” If you’ve lived through an ordeal like this, seeing it happen to another brother in Christ is painful.”

    It really is, bdawg. I don’t know any of these people but reading this account gave me that sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. I know some of the confusion and the hurt, the isolation and the sense of betrayal this man is in store for. It will be a terrible time after he’s already been through so much.

    Please pray for him and his family.

  30. Wow, who could have seen this coming. Stealthy. Clever. /sarcasm

    She got early word of his release, she painstakingly weighed the PR of exactly what to file, how to file, where to file, and what to say. A divorce attorney (hers) is part of her new PR team.

    When i saw Franklin Graham hugging Saeed I wondered if he was admonishing him during the embrace, telling him he needs to submit to the weeping willow as the willow leaves, the willow may bring healing to him through the Willow Song played by a lute.

    Oh great willow, you do not bow to the winds that are right and righteous, you are medicinal and can cure the blood lust and flesh lust of man. Of course you can willow. You’ll not be broken and thrown into the river nor will you drown yourself there.

    Why would you. You have a book deal, a pace on Oprah’s couch, and for a while a soon to be ex husband to torment in front of the world showing for once and all you, willow, are closest to the creator’s will. Because the creators will is your will. Willow = “will of the woman”

  31. H&R

    I know some of the confusion and the hurt, the isolation and the sense of betrayal this man is in store for. It will be a terrible time after he’s already been through so much.

    Agreed, I know as well. How much worse would it be to go through it after what he has been through? To have churchians speaking christianese over Saeed, “words of healing” that are little more then force multipliers for lift chasing….he will wonder if he is still on a mat on the floor in prison and suffering a fever dream.

  32. RichardP says:

    @feeriker (2:55): “I’m inclined to believe that she absolutely DOES know what that biblical solution is, as do most women who (claim to) seriously study the Bible.”

    Perhaps, and I don’t disagree with your claim.

    However, it has been pointed out elsewhere that women excel at book learning (good grades in school), but fall down when it comes time to apply that book learning to real-life situations. They have the knowledge, but don’t know how to apply it (content knowledge vs. process knowledge). To the extent that is true, Naghmeh may “know” what God says in his word while at the same time may not be able to recognize how that word should be applied in her own life.

    Not arguing against your point. Just saying that we don’t know for certain what is going on in her head, but we do know that her behaviors don’t line up with what God actually said in his word. That would be the teaching tool for those focusing on the spiritual side of things.

  33. Coloradomtnman says:

    Naghmeh is a nobody; a homely looking housemarm that was elevated from anonymity to ‘Christian’ women telling her she is their hero simply because she is the wife of an imprisoned pastor. (her public FB page) She is the worst type of traitor and predator, who willfully and cunningly laid a trap for her husband, used the Chistian PR Bully Pulpit to publicly shame and accuse him in his absence and then filed a TRO against him in his hometown to be dropped upon his arrival. Welcome home brother!

    Saeed is going to need a meat eating attorney to beat the wrap and maintain 50/50 custody of his children.

    He can use our prayers and a legal defense fund.

  34. thedeti says:

    Part of Saeed’s “counseling” will surely be accepting that Naghmeh (Panahi, no longer Abedini) will likely divorce him. Then he will have to go through “restorative” counseling so he can return to public ministry — if he is not forever barred from ministry. Those who licensed or ordained him will stand in judgment over him in that regard, I am sure.

    My own church has talked about Saeed frequently and rejoiced at his release. But on the claims of “abuse”, my church has been silent.

    The Christian media’s response has been astonishing. It fails even the rudiments of basic journalism. The claims against Saeed are unproven allegations. There is no proof of any abuse whatsoever. There are only Naghmeh’s unproven claims. Any reputable journalistic outlet would call this “alleged” abuse” or “his wife claims there was abuse”.

    Yet the Christian media has accepted Naghmeh’s public proclamations and in the emails as statements of incontrovertible fact. She said it; it must be true, and we must now hold Saeed accountable for what Naghmeh says he did. Not what he did; what SHE CLAIMS he did.

    This is endemic of the current state of the Christian church. The wife is always right; whatever the wife wants or needs is paramount and the husband must provide it. IF she says it happened; it happened, and nothing the husband can say about it has any validity whatsoever. The Christian community and media have already tried and convicted Saeed of abusing his wife. I’m ashamed to be called a Christian today.

  35. My heart aches for this whole family. What a tragic situation!
    I pray that the Lord will bring repentance, healing and restoration.

  36. thedeti says:

    I hope that if Saeed proves the “abuse” claims were untrue, he sues the shit out of every publication, Christian or no, which reported the “abuse” claims as unconstested, rock solid established fact.

    In any other matter, reporting claims like this as fact when such claims/facts would hold up a person to public ridicule or to lower his estimation/standing in the community or injure him in his ability to earn a living is considered libelous and slanderous. It’s not a bad defamation case, really.

    Then I hope he sues Naghmeh for defaming him, and for intentional and negligent infliction of emotional distress. If ever there were truly outrageous conduct causing injury and damage, this is it.

  37. Boxer says:

    Deep Thought sez:

    As a Muslim, I am glad they are both apostates. What an ugly embarrassing family. Disgusting does not describe them.

    If you’re in North America, you’d do well to concern yourself with your own community, rather than worrying about those who wander away. I’ve dated several Muslimaat over the course of the last few years. Many Muslimahs fuck on the first date, and none of the women I dated were virginal when I found them (or, as was usually the case, they found me). Go to any masjid in North America and you are likely to see hijabi women wearing yoga pants and showing ample cleavage — even at Friday prayer time.

    More important than this nonsense, stay for Friday prayer and listen to the preacher’s message. I’ve heard several different preachers lecture on the Muslim man’s duty, and the Muslim wife’s privileges and entitlements, and never the other way ’round.

    It is true that Islam is a bit less degenerate and a bit more manly, monogamous and patriarchal, than the Protestants and Jews in North America, but don’t be fooled. The feminists just got to you guys a bit later. The sort of overconfidence I hear from Muslims in America is very reminiscent of my own people (i.e. Mormons) who laugh and mock outsiders, but who themselves love to go down to the divorce courts and collect the cash and prizes. Your people are customers of this unholy trade also. The rot is deep, and our enemies won’t let your community escape.

    Boxer

  38. Boxer says:

    Dear Fellas:

    They have converted from Islam to Christianity. In my understanding, under Sharia, this marks them both as Apostates who should be killed. This is the issue for which Saeed was imprisoned.

    Mormons have an identical rule (google ‘blood atonement’). In a perfect world, I’d have had my head sawed off, shortly after I first set foot in the cathedral downtown. Fortunately, we live in the secular USA and have freedom of conscience, so neither I nor Saeed are in much danger.

    Just FYI: Saeed was never charged with merely “being a Christian” or apostasy. He was imprisoned for being an active Christian missionary, and running evangelical bible studies in a school he was volunteering at. Not to defend Iran, but this is a law which is universally enforced. Muslims there have been imprisoned for trying to convert Christians and Jews as well. (It surprises people to learn that there are Christians and Jews in Iran, but there are, in fact, and most of them are content to stay there). This is a fundamental tenet of Sharia: “no compulsion in religion” (2:256).

    I know we like to hate on Muslims in North America, but the situation is a bit more complicated than people assume.

    Boxer

  39. RichardP says:

    @thedeti: “I hope that if Saeed proves the “abuse” claims were untrue …”

    God said that he made her to be a proper and fitting help for Adam. Then God told her that Adam would rule over her.

    Husband told wife what he wanted her to do = not abuse.

    He expected her to do it = abuse.

    In this instance, her “abuse” claims are not false. He did what she claimed he did. That is not the point. The point is, does doing that actually meet the criteria for “abuse”. Against this question, Saeed has no defense in the natural world. She claims that him expecting her to do as he asked her to do is “abuse”. By which standard does that behavior qualify as “abuse”? (Hint: not the Bible’s.) Which standard will carry the day? Measured against the FI standard, Saeed is guilty as charged. Measured against the FI standard, Saeed has no defense. And we know the family court will not be looking to the Bible for guidance. The only question remaining is what his punishment will be.

  40. Boxer says:

    I hope that if Saeed proves the “abuse” claims were untrue, he sues the shit out of every publication, Christian or no, which reported the “abuse” claims as unconstested, rock solid established fact.

    This is what I hope also. It’s common for women to paint their ex-husbands as criminals/perverts/psychopaths, but it is inexcusable for the press to run these one-sided stories, most of which had no caveats or even acknowledgements that he was unavailable to rebut them.

  41. feeriker says:

    I hope that if Saeed proves the “abuse” claims were untrue, he sues the shit out of every publication, Christian or no, which reported the “abuse” claims as unconstested, rock solid established fact.

    And before anyone brings up 1st Corinthians 6, I will assert that the behavior of these “Christian” media organs has effectively impugned any legitimate claim they have to being Christian and therefore should be subjected to the full weight of the civil laws.

  42. Boxer says:

    Come on fellas… Time to start talking back!

  43. dragnet says:

    The longer this goes on, the harder it is not to see Pastor Saeed as a modern-day Job.

    I can only hope his ending is as happy.

  44. Dalrock says:

    @Opus

    I looked at Mrs Abedini’s Facebook, and her profile picture is now just herself – looking somewhat forlorn – and her cover picture only her and the children – all looking equally glum: A picture or two says a thousand words, does it not.

    I don’t use Facebook so I’m not able to see her profile there. However, almost immediately after Saeed was released she changed her Twitter profile removing all reference to him. That seemed ominous at the time, but with her actions since then it seems like less of an oversight. Either way it fits with her already established pattern of writing him out of the narrative. Here is what her twitter page looked like on January 6th. The banner image and icon show Naghmeh and the children holding Save Saeed signs, and the caption says:

    This is the OFFICIAL (and only) page for Naghmeh Abedini, wife of imprisoned American Pastor Saeed Abedini.

    It was announced that Saeed was being freed on January 16th. Some time between then and the 19th (and while she was sending out tweets about how glad she was that he was being released) Naghmeh changed the banner and icon images to just her and the children, and the caption says:

    This is the OFFICIAL (and only) page for Naghmeh Abedini.

    One could be forgiven for seeing her new Twitter profile and mistaking her for a single mother.

  45. craig says:

    ‘…Legal experts say that could mean a couple of different things, from separation to support to divorce.’

    Liz says: “If that is true, I must concede I was wrong.”

    Sadly (but not unexpectedly), that is true. She filed for separation, a pair of TROs, and counseling for divorcing parents. See for yourself:

    https://www.idcourts.us/repository/mainpublic_id.do?forward=mainpublic_id

    Case: CV-DR-2016-01483 Magistrate Filed: 01/26/2016 Subtype: Domestic Relations Judge: Jill S. Jurries Status: Pending

    (CERTAIN DOCUMENTS MAY BE ACCESSIBLE UNDER I.C.A.R 32)
    Defendants: Abedini, Saeed
    Plaintiffs: Panahi, Naghmeh
    Register of actions: Date
    01/26/2016 New Case Filed – Domestic Relations
    01/26/2016 Petition for Legal Separation
    01/26/2016 Summons Filed
    01/26/2016 Joint Tro Property
    01/26/2016 Joint Tro Children
    01/26/2016 Order To Attend Focus On Children (2/24/16)

  46. Coloradomtnman says:

    “I hope that if Saeed proves the “abuse” claims were untrue, he sues the shit out of every publication, Christian or no, which reported the “abuse” claims as unconstested, rock solid established fact.”

    As I found out in the State of Colorado you cannot prove that you didn’t abuse your spouse or children. This is intentional and exactly why the ‘script’ is well-known script. As men that have seen and experienced this script; we know what Naghmeh is doing next.

    He should vigorously defend himself, he should cut the cord with her and he should sue her. Given the opportunity to have lunch with him this would be my encouragement.

  47. Boxer says:

    Thanks Bro D., for bringing all this to light.

    Some time between then and the 19th (and while she was sending out tweets about how glad she was that he was being released) Naghmeh changed the banner and icon images to just her and the children, and the caption says: This is the OFFICIAL (and only) page for Naghmeh Abedini.

    Laughable and pathetic.

  48. He did all that from a prison cell. And not a nice American cell, this was Iran. That is very hard to believe

  49. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    “Three months ago Saeed told me things he demanded I must do to promote him in the eyes of the public that I simply could not do any longer. He threatened that if I did not the results would be the end of our marriage and the resulting pain this would bring to our children.”

    Note this could be something as innocuous as “If you don’t keep me in the public eye, they’re going to kill me.”

  50. Coloradomtnman says:

    “Sadly (but not unexpectedly), that is true. She filed for separation, a pair of TROs, and counseling for divorcing parents. See for yourself:”

    Wow – she’s something! He’s going to need a great attorney; again this is straight out of the script.

  51. “…a case filed Tuesday in court that shows Naghmeh Panahi vs. Saeed Abedini with Judge Jill Jurries for domestic relations. Legal experts say that could mean a couple of different things, from separation to support to divorce.”

    If that is true, I must concede I was wrong.

    I’ll be over here patiently awaiting the forthcoming contrition and apology from a certain aging “christian” ole biddy for her blog slander ignorance.

    Breath holding begins,…now.

  52. The Question says:

    The title to this post would be worth a chuckle if it weren’t one of the most depressing stories I’ve read in a long time, and considering last year’s wonderful headlines, that’s saying something.

    You have to wonder what the Iranians who locked him up and tortured him are thinking right now about this spectacle. It’s also like they released him only to have him suffer an even worse indignity.

  53. Dave says:

    I think we can and should do more than pray. We should publicly support Saeed. Let us create a website, and publicly support him. It is a tragedy to see a brother thrown under the bus this way.

  54. thedeti says:

    Craig:

    Good find.

    In layman’s terms, Naghmeh filed the typical documents you file when seeking a legal separation, which might or might not be a precursor to divorce. She’s petitioned for legal separation. In most states this functions in practice like a divorce, except that there is no dissolution of the marriage. Both husband and wife are legally obligated for each other’s debts and support, unless the court orders otherwise. Most state courts will enter orders providing for financial support, temporary and permanent support, residential child custody, child support, property – the whole ball of wax.

    Looks like there are TRO motions (or maybe orders) for property and the children. This probably means everything stays just like it is. The children’s current living arrangements and support are to continue until further court order. The TRO for property probably just means husband and wife are not to waste, sell, give away, conceal, transfer or destroy any property.

    The divorce court machinery cranks to life and its gears begin to grind, and prepares to consume another man.

  55. TomG says:

    What she’s doing is standard operation for a divorce. She makes reconciliation impossible by poisoning the well. She already decided to divorce him long before he was released from prison. Unfortunately for him, it came at a worse time so he will take much longer to heal from imprisonment. She needs to file the inflammatory divorce documents to justify her cruelty. No one believes her, yet the court is forced to act on the lie. The pastor has no income so it’s not like she will come out significantly ahead. She wants out. Let her go.

  56. Boxer says:

    I think we can and should do more than pray. We should publicly support Saeed. Let us create a website, and publicly support him. It is a tragedy to see a brother thrown under the bus this way.

    You are doing noble work.

  57. thedeti says:

    TomG;

    Yes. Or it could be the Wake-Up Call.

  58. Robert What? says:

    When I first read about her bizarre accusations, I was hoping it was part of some elaborate plot to game the Iranians into releasing him. That when he was finally released they’d both announce that the plan had worked. Now it seems her whole campaign was as ugly and sordid as it appears. A cadre of SJWs couldn’t do better (worse?).

  59. Coloradomtnman says:

    “Looks like there are TRO motions (or maybe orders) for property and the children. This probably means everything stays just like it is. The children’s current living arrangements and support are to continue until further court order. The TRO for property probably just means husband and wife are not to waste, sell, give away, conceal, transfer or destroy any property.”

    @thedeti – Idaho and Colorado are alike in that a ‘Legal Separation’ is identical to a ‘Divorce’ other than the legal name. You are confused however about the TRO: What the TRO provides is that Naghmeh keeps the house and full authority over the kids and Saeed gets to fight in court or live at her mercy as to when he can see them. He can’t just go back to his house, open the front door and sit down to play with his children.

    I’ve lived it and can speak to it fluently.

    I have reached out to him seeking his permission to create a website and GoFundMe account for his legal fund.

  60. RichardP says:

    @Dave: “I think we can and should do more than pray. We should publicly support Saeed.”

    We don’t know where the truth lies. The Biblical way is for the both of them to seek the counsel of their church elders. The Biblical way is not for those who know nothing about what actually went on to publically support one at the expense of the other. The Bible does not call us to support either one of them. But it does provide for them a way to work out their issues outside of the public eye.

    We can point folks to the standard contained in the Bible. But we cannot publically support one at the expense of the other – because we don’t know the truth of the relationship. Only God does. We can compare visible behavior to God’s standards. We are called to that task in 1 Corintians 5 and 6. Judging visible behavior. We are not called to judge behavior we cannot see. Only God can do that. Because – absence of proof is not proof of absence. We can only see the outside. Only God can see the inside, the heart.

  61. RichardP says:

    I was not speaking about contributing money to a defense fund in my previous post. I was talking about arbitrarily judging one as right and the other as wrong based on incomplete evidence.

  62. Minesweeper says:

    F88k sake. Horrible horrible woman. But we all knew exactly what was going to happen. Lets just hope he finds this blog and knows he has probably the only support available to him. He has walked into a shitstorm coming home.

    What a foul woman. She looks like a man too.

  63. Opus says:

    I see that Mrs Abedini’s three week fast ends today – ready and slimmed down for the cameras, one presumes.

  64. Minesweeper says:

    Well done D for focusing on this and giving the man his probable only support he will find in the Christian kingdom. As we all know just how graciously it treats men accused of abuse in a divorce.

  65. Minesweeper says:

    Opus, Im sure she has been burning calories off camera as well- nudge nudge wink wink. There is absolutely zero possibility there is not another man in the picture – I would suggest. Going for a divorce on abuse grounds tends to fast track the whole cadaver, I’ve seen it before, its the no.1 go to for a quickie divorce without questions asked.

  66. Minesweeper says:

    I would just like to express my feelings regarding her actions : fu88ing fu88ing fu88ing fu88ing fu88.

    Heartless bit*h that she is.

  67. Minesweeper says:

    Waow, is she actually TROing him ?
    01/26/2016 Joint Tro Property
    01/26/2016 Joint Tro Children

    A day out of jail and gets hit with this. Obviously very similar to the thousands of servicemen who get served the minute they land in the US.

  68. cynthia says:

    @CP

    Note this could be something as innocuous as “If you don’t keep me in the public eye, they’re going to kill me.”

    I had a similar thought when I saw this story. Whether intentional or unintentional, most female lies (from those of us who are not clinically disordered) have some basis in some actual event. So taken a step further, it seems very likely she’s taken a small incident or two of understandable negativity from him, spun it into an apocalyptic scenario in her own mind, and bought into her own imaginary narrative. Selling it to others (as she has with her Facebook posts) is a way of confirming it and gaining external approval for the fiction. Other people make it real for you. It reminds me of making piñatas as a kid; you blow up a balloon, paper-mache around it to create the cavity, and then pop the balloon. Wasn’t anything but hot air in there, but the resulting shell of shellacked newsprint is very much real.

    Women are incredibly good at things like this. Men tend to ascribe such behavior as what Neghmah is displaying as cold-blooded calculation, but the fact of the matter is, whether intentional or accidental, most women truly believe the lies they tell.

    I don’t understand her motives, but hope whatever else has been going on in her heart, seeing her husband again will start to heal what’s gone wrong there. Like Dalrock, I feel sorry for her children and hope she chooses to reconcile. No man deserves to come home from such an ordeal to something like this. It’s an inexcusably cruel act.

  69. Anonymous Reader says:

    Liz
    If that is true, I must concede I was wrong.

    Ok. Congrats. And?

  70. Coloradomtnman says:

    @Minesweeper “Waow, is she actually TROing him ?
    01/26/2016 Joint Tro Property
    01/26/2016 Joint Tro Children

    A day out of jail and gets hit with this. Obviously very similar to the thousands of servicemen who get served the minute they land in the US.”

    Yes, this is a well-oiled script and he’s now going from the frying pan (Iranian prison) into the fire (Idaho Family Court). She’s been sleeping with another man – suhrpize suhprize and Saeed’s reappearance is highly inconvenient.

  71. The Question says:

    Something for men contemplating marriage to consider: If you have kids, teach them starting as soon as they can understand you that divorce is evil and that the only reason you’d ever “leave” them is if the government took you away from them and wouldn’t allow you to see them. Also, teach them that anyone who says otherwise is a liar and they shouldn’t trust them. Might not have to be that blunt, but toss a quip out there whenever there’s the opportunity and it’ll sink in. Tell them about how unjust the marriage laws are and how evil people break up their families and how fathers are out there miserable because they can’t see their kids and suffer in poverty due to child support laws.

    Unless I missed something, this works in two ways. People won’t be so gung-ho to divorce if they know their own children will despise them for it, and they can’t say anything against what the other spouse teaches the kids about divorce without looking bad for defending the indefensible.

    It may not do it on its own, but its a deterrent, and enough deterrents will dilute the power of the threatpoint.

    Better yet, show a prospective wife this story above and see how she responds. If she tries to rationalize the wife’s behavior, you know what’s in store for you if you marry her.

  72. Liz says:

    ” And?”
    And what?
    I only checked in to acknowledge that I was wrong, Dalrock was right.
    I DID acknowledge before that he might be right.
    My opinion on Naghmeh’s character, with this new piece of what seems to be more concrete information, is now different.
    I gave her the benefit of the doubt based on what I knew of her history, and what I know of the media. I would do it again because I do not believe on basing any conclusions (particularly very disparaging ones) on partial information or speculation. Now there is enough information, so I concede Dalrock is right.

  73. ace says:

    “Women are incredibly good at things like this. Men tend to ascribe such behavior as what Neghmah is displaying as cold-blooded calculation, but the fact of the matter is, whether intentional or accidental, most women truly believe the lies they tell.”

    Damn, that’s even worse than I thought?

  74. Anon says:

    but the fact of the matter is, whether intentional or accidental, most women truly believe the lies they tell.”

    Damn, that’s even worse than I thought?

    More accurately, for them, strongly held feelings become facts, to women.

    This can be very useful for men in some situation (like pick-up). Elsewhere, it can be a problem. Internalize this fact about women, and adapt accordingly.

  75. Gunner Q says:

    feeriker @ 3:04 pm:
    “God forbid that this ever happens, but if Saeed were to renounce his Christian faith after all of this tragedy and suffering and beg for forgiveness for his apostasy of Islam, can anyone say that they would really be surprised – or that they would have an easy time blaming him?”

    I would be surprised. There is nothing Naggy can do to him that Iran hasn’t done much better. When Christ throws a man through the Badlands, he doesn’t come out weaker. That’s why Christ does it.

    My guess is his suffering in Iran will enable Saeed to take this fight all the way. Naggy backed the wrong man into the wrong corner at the wrong time, threatpointing a man accustomed to jihadists beating the blood out of him daily.

    Kick her ass, Saeed! Your finest hour is at hand.

    RichardP @ 4:58 pm:
    “But we cannot publically support one at the expense of the other – because we don’t know the truth of the relationship.”

    The truth of the relationship is that he is her husband and therefore deserves her complete loyalty. We are not Christians if we do not act upon our belief that the husband is head of his family.

    Her bald-faced lies and abuse of their children as hostages of the court to force Saeed into “counseling”, that’s just icing on the judgment.

  76. enrique says:

    The United States is an open air jail for men. It’s just a matter of whim whether or not you’re arrested. You are always incarcerated in a manner of speaking.

    File under “wow”

    https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/dad-arrested-for-taking-daughters-phone-as-171354368.html

  77. theasdgamer says:

    I am no longer agnostic about Mrs. Abedini’s motives. She’s been seduced by evil religious feminists. Too bad for the kids. Likely the kids are estranged from their father already.

  78. enrique says:

    Such gifts often await when they return from prison in foreign lands:

    Bobby Sherrill, a Lockheed employee in Kuwait from North Carolina, was captured by Iraqis and spent nearly five months as an Iraqi hostage. Sherrill was arrested the night after his release for not paying $1,425 in child support while he was a hostage.

    As I recall the story, he was arrested on the tarmac.

    Again: OPEN AIR JAIL.

  79. Stig says:

    Nag me, frag me

  80. Neguy says:

    I notice that Christianity Today hasn’t written about this yet. Nor have their feminist friendly editors I follow on social media. We’ll see what they do.

    This is going to be interesting to watch.

    I hate to be a cynic as I’m usually the one cautioning against that here, but there’s certainly at least a decent possibility of an affair.

  81. greyghost says:

    Cynthia
    I agree with you on this one This Neghmah is a normal woman. She displays all of the female behaviors discussed in the manosphere. As you said this isn’t cold blooded logic this is a normal woman completely lacking in logic and .empathy bailing out on a commitment. primary motivation most likely another female characteristic, hypergamy.
    The moral crime here is the cuckservative churchians that went along and supported and encouraged this. Rather than remind her of her duty to submission to her husband and God They chose to stand by this cunt.
    Now the government is stepping in to assist this loving wife with keeping him away from his children while she works on a plan to have him removed with out ever having to explain how he abused her from prison in a foreign country. The real crime is the government going along with this.
    Overall this is normal female behavior. Women’s natural lack of empathy and capacity to love makes her behavior seem cold and calculating.
    Lets now hear from the righteous ones that want to save this government or think you can negotiate with for “fairness’

  82. JDG says:

    lozozlo says:
    January 27, 2016 at 2:25 pm
    Also – was Nagmeh originally from Iran? If so, then that shows the “foreign women are better” crowd up.

    Foreign women aren’t better – they just live in a culture where their traitorous whoredom is more tightly controlled. The instant they get a chance to betray their man they’ll do it.

    Everytime.

    Except for all the times they didn’t. How does this one example prove your ridiculous assertion?

  83. Minesweeper says:

    @Coloradomtnman says:
    “January 27, 2016 at 5:32 pm
    @Minesweeper “Waow, is she actually TROing him ?
    01/26/2016 Joint Tro Property
    01/26/2016 Joint Tro Children

    A day out of jail and gets hit with this. Obviously very similar to the thousands of servicemen who get served the minute they land in the US.”

    Yes, this is a well-oiled script and he’s now going from the frying pan (Iranian prison) into the fire (Idaho Family Court). She’s been sleeping with another man – suhrpize suhprize and Saeed’s reappearance is highly inconvenient.”

    Its not you is it ?🙂 She seems to becoming less feminine in appearance, her facial lines looking like something superman would be proud of. I wouldnt go there.

    I am genuinely upset over this as I am sure many are.

    GunnerQ, a wife can twist the blade into her soon2b-x-husband in a way nothing else can.

  84. JDG says:

    Verne Robirds says:
    January 27, 2016 at 4:04 pm
    He did all that from a prison cell. And not a nice American cell, this was Iran. That is very hard to believe

    What should be hard to believe is that a women has actually suffered abuse when she claims she has been abused.

  85. Minesweeper says:

    GG, when a womans feelings change from one man to another, this is exactly what it looks like.

    As women generally obey their feelings, if their feelings change they have to alter the facts to support their feelings. As that is generally their God.

  86. greyghost says:

    Bobby Sherrill, a Lockheed employee in Kuwait from North Carolina, was captured by Iraqis and spent nearly five months as an Iraqi hostage. Sherrill was arrested the night after his release for not paying $1,425 in child support while he was a hostage.

    As I recall the story, he was arrested on the tarmac.

    Again: OPEN AIR JAIL.

    This is why I participate I have a son

  87. enrique says:

    One of the built in protections for women in Family Law, is that not only do the White Knight Judges (or advocate attorneys) care if a woman makes complete absolute perjury throughout the process, the system is rigged to make it not matter or go away. RARELY, because of Pendente Lite, CS and other asset issues, does ANY man go all the way to trial, and depos are typically secret (until released later, which can also be sealed).

    At trial, a public trial, an attorney could walk her down EVERY SINGLE ALLEGATION and put her on record, publicly for what she has claimed and/or is claiming. However, with the deck stacked so greatly against men, and even in cases like this (where Saad will be encouraged to “do the right thing and settle to avoid a public spectacle”) women almost NEVER confronted head on, for their false statements, reports and positions within the complaint process.

    Most states follow the Fed Rules of Procedure, (adopted) which typically has a clause that if, or your attorney, KNOWINGLY makes and/or continues a position in which you know is false that you the lawyer and client can be subject to sanctions (I know, I tried it in my UNNAMED state). But judges don’t care.

    In other words, she will claim this ALL THE WAY DOWN the rabbit hole, he will “settle” for whatever, and it will be sealed and they will move on and her later comments will be “Understand, this was very traumatic for myself and my children” and “I believe this was already answered and best left with the Family Law…we have moved beyond this”

    She will NEVER have that Court TV moment where she crumbles when his attorney demands she explain how he tormented her from HIS prison cell in Shia Iran (btw, if such Skype transcripts and/or videos occurred, don’t you think the Iranians would release it to show how crazy Christians are?, or in the alternative, if the allegations were true, what an “abuser” he truly is?)

  88. JDG says:

    If the journalists who exposed Planned (Infanticide) Parenthood’s baby body parts business can be indicted on felony charges in Texas (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-david-daleiden-faces-20-years-in-prison-for-offering-to-purchase-h) and the baby murderers cleared, what chance does a true blue Christian man have against his treacherous wife when entering another corrupt court system of the same PC feminist bent society?

  89. thedeti says:

    Interesting. The Idaho State Judiciary website turns up no results for Naghmeh Abedini. It does turn up results for “Naghmeh Shariat Panahi” born in 1977. She is three years older than Saeed, who was according to his Wikipedia page born in May 1980.

    The results go back to 1996 (before she married Saeed) and up to 2011 and 2014 (well after she married). There’s nothing to get in a twist over, really — just three moving violations/traffic tickets.

    This means Naghmeh likely never changed her name or took Saeed’s last name. She couldn’t file legal documents under any name other than her actual legal name.

    Just an interesting development. Stealth feminist on our hands? Why was it so important that she use the name Abedini, if it wasn’t legally her name? To gain fame and notoriety as the martyred wife of a heroic pastor imprisoned for his faith? An attempt to ride his martyred coattails to her own fame and notoriety?

    https://www.idcourts.us/repository/caseHistory.do?schema=ADA&county=Ada&roaDetail=yes&partySequence=1967521&displayName=Panahi%2C+Naghmeh+Shariat

  90. feeriker says:

    No one believes her, yet the court is forced to act on the lie.

    “No one believes her?” You could’ve fooled me, based on the way the churchian gossip rags published her story. I’m sure that whole legions of churchio-feminists and their deluded mangina white knight enablers believe every syllable she utters.

    lozozlo babbled:

    Also – was Nagmeh originally from Iran? If so, then that shows the “foreign women are better” crowd up.

    Nagmeh was born in Iran but was brought to the U.S. when she was nine years old. In other words, at a young enough age to be irreparably corrupted by America’s cesspool culture during her formative years.

    Nice try, though.

  91. enrique says:

    JDG: He has zero chance. The only consolation, for Christians who actually care, you will truly probably know them both by their fruits after all this is over.

    Curious, what Christian men on here plan on reaching out to Franklin Graham and other high profile Christians? To reach out and demand, as women would, that the Pastor be supported and defended. Where are the Christian men doing that? Not a rhetorical question.

    Who’s gonna man up, and publicly support him. Secular PUA Roosh (I believe of Christian/Muslim parents) has the balls to openly say that such women are LIARS until proven otherwise. WHAT CHRISTIAN MAN IS going to at least CHALLENGE her narrative and it’s absurdity?

  92. Neguy says:

    @thedeti, I’m getting a session expiration on the link. But as far as I know, you don’t need to file a name change petition when you marry. The marriage itself is the legal event that lets you change your name.

  93. The moral crime here is the cuckservative churchians that went along and supported and encouraged this. Rather than remind her of her duty to submission to her husband and God They chose to stand by this cunt.

    Thats right. Cuckservatives negotiated an entire treaty with the Iranians, and cuckservative churchians wrote open letters opining to the Iranian leadership about having an open hand reaching out, and cuckservatives initiated the offer of billions to give to the regime and cuckservatives signed the Lilly Ledbetter law and cuckservatives constitute the vast majority of bull dykes on the move advocating for the increasingly ridiculous inclusion of so many gender classifications there are not enough Greek letters to name them, nor stereo chemical spatial indicators (cis, trans, iso, meta, para, etc) prefixes to label them, cuckservatives pressed relentlessly for gay marriage and for a woman’s right to choose up to an including choosing to abort during the actual delivery of the baby …………….catches breath……wait…..not really.

    But what the hell, those things are not very important anyway. No reason to consider opposition to those things as a virtue when taking measure.

    This piling on crap gets stranger than fiction, especially that (some of) it cannot be seen for what it is by many here at all.

    To use some snark that is past its sell by date…..Pro Tip: If you see this comment as defense of what Christians and many conservatives (Christian and secular) are doing via direct advocacy or tactic acceptance, or for blatant lift chasing, you (generic you) are probably guilty of piling on rather than making a measured thoughtful comment.

    Grey, For the record I used your comment as launch, but i am not convinced that you are doing what I am describing. Ive no interest in saving either side of a government as it is today. Im not making a political argument. Its an argument about individuals and their propensities. Many of same are teased along by the low fruit of a group of ostensible Christians who would likely have some traditional conservative beliefs (in categories having nothing to do with manosphere matters, to be clear)

    But these relentless comments with zero qualifiers are I assure you inviting things that will manifest as unintended consequences. Unless we are all really the smartest people in the rooms.

  94. RichardP says:

    @Gunner Q: “The truth of the relationship is that he is her husband and therefore deserves her complete loyalty.”

    That is not actually what God said. What did God actually say? “To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband.” (1 Cor. 7:10-11)

    What behavior and activities transpire between complete loyalty to husband and walking away from him (perhaps with children involved)? Whatever it is, God said it is OK to do, so long as she does not remarry. So – perhaps “complete loyalty to husband” ought not be where our focus lies, since God doesn’t require it. Seems that God is OK with the Wakup Call – so long as she remains unmarried or eventually returns to her husband. At the moment, we have no evidence that Saeed’s wife is doing anything more than this. And, if that is all she is doing, God says he is OK with that.

    Gunner, I’m sure you know what I actually meant when I said that we don’t know the truth of their relationship. Again with what did God actually say: we look on the outside at what is visible; God looks on the inside, the heart, at what we can’t see.

    These three statements are indisputable truth: 1) We have no way of knowing whether her charges against him are true. 2) We can absolutely compare her visible behavior to what the Bible says, and conclude that she is not following Biblical instruction by making this private matter public). 3) From a Biblical perspective, for those of us who are not spiritually-mature folks who attend their church, the truth of their relationship is none of our business. But, as a tool for teaching others, we can hold up their visible behaviors and compare them to behaviors required by God – based on what God actually said.

  95. thedeti says:

    Neguy: True, a married woman can just start using her husband’s name after marriage. She doesn’t have to though. If she chooses to continue using her maiden name, she can do that legally as well. If she does continue using her maiden name, that’s her legal name.

  96. greyghost says:

    I don’t like cuckservatives nor the liberals they take their cultural guidance from.

  97. Philalethes says:

    This is a fundamental tenet of Sharia: “no compulsion in religion” (2:256).

    Really? I know Christians and Jews are tolerated in Dar Al-Islam so long as they pay the jizya tax, but my understanding that others (e.g. Buddhists) are to be killed if they do not “embrace Islam”. That sounds like compulsion to me.

  98. greyghost says:

    If God says it’s cool to step off from her husband then I guess the kids will be ok with their father. “Go on then bitch I don’t need that pussy any more. The kids and I will do just fine.”

  99. RichardP says:

    @thedeti and Neguy: This may vary from state to state, but at least for Washington and California, there is no requirement for the wife to legally change her name when she marries. I know this is true because I do work in situations where the wife needs to claim a benefit given to her husband after he dies. She is denied because she is filing using her first name and his last name, and there is no such name in the legal record (because she never legally changed her last name to his). So – no requirement to legally change last name – but a variety of repercussions down the road for not doing so.

  100. Philalethes says:

    This is a fundamental tenet of Sharia: “no compulsion in religion” (2:256).

    Really? I know Christians and Jews are tolerated in Dar al-Islam so long as they accept second-class citizenship and pay the jizya tax, but my understanding is that others (e.g. Buddhists) are subject to death if they do not “embrace Islam”.

  101. David J. says:

    FWIW, there is another case in the same Boise/Ada County court with Saeed as a party, but the case is sealed. It may be that she has filed a separate suit against him (possibly for divorce?) and requested that it be sealed. No way to know for sure at this point, but I don’t know what other kind of case involving him would be sealed — an unusual procedure.

  102. RichardP says:

    @greyghost: My point was, when a wife steps away from her husband she is demonstrating something less than what would be described here as “complete loyalty” (although in her head she may think she is demonstrating loyalty by trying to shock her husband back onto the “right” path; highlights the value of Titus 2 women intervening). Paul gives us direct evidence that God thinks this stepping away is OK. Any stepping away is going to be messy. But, if God is OK with the stepping away, we can assume he is OK with the messiness as well. Even when it comes to custody battle over who gets the children (may the best man win).

    God is OK with little kids getting hurt. That is an extremely difficult truth for me to get my heart and head around. But, the fact is – if God didn’t want little kids to ever be hurt, he would have created Adam and Eve as something other than humans with the capacity for choice.

  103. Boxer says:

    Really? I know Christians and Jews are tolerated in Dar al-Islam so long as they accept second-class citizenship and pay the jizya tax, but my understanding is that others (e.g. Buddhists) are subject to death if they do not “embrace Islam”.

    There are Buddhists (and a large number of Hindus, and atheists, and anything else you can think of) in Oman today. Before the US backed nutters took over Afghanistan, there was a Buddhist minority there as well, which had been there for well over a thousand years.

    Many nominal Muslims in West Africa retain pretty much all their folksy tribal beliefs. When they throw curses or do witchcraft, they put a verse from Qur’an into the fetish along with eye of newt, etc. Muslims are much more diverse than we usually imagine in the west.

    Boxer

  104. enrique says:

    Bingo David. In a sealed case, no one will ever know what is claimed/counter-claimed…and when it is settled, as it almost ALWAYS is (fathers typically accept crumbs to have every other weekend and couple weeks in the summer), no one will ever know!

    See how that works.

  105. RichardP says:

    “I don’t know what other kind of case involving him would be sealed — an unusual procedure.”
    Perhaps a document outlining his alleged abuse – involving her and maybe the children?

  106. @RichardP

    The import of the command that the wife is not to separate from her husband (which could encompass even an emotional separation) is that it is still a command. For her to separate after being commanded not to is a transgression. The further instruction to remain single or be reconciled to her husband is instruction to an individual already in a state of transgression and does not in any condone the violation of the command not to separate. Thus, your statements:

    “Whatever it is, God said it is OK to do, so long as she does not remarry.”

    ” Seems that God is OK with the Wakup Call – so long as she remains unmarried or eventually returns to her husband.”

    are not correct. The Lord did not say it was OK, He said not to do it. No wake-up calls allowed. You are taking the further instruction to one already in transgression and attempting to use that instruction as evidence that the transgression (violating the command not to separate herself) is of no importance.

    Further, this view ignores the other commands to the wife to submit to her husband in everything. “Honey, I am telling you to stay here.” If she refuses she is now in violation of her command to submit to him in everything. And, that command to submit cannot be tied to his behavior because she is also commanded to submit to him even if he is disobedient to the Word, that he might be won over without a word by her chaste and quiet conduct.

    The one thing we can know beyond all doubt is that she has very publicly and officially violated God’s commands to her as a wife, multiple times.

    Do not separate (yet, she did)
    Submit to him in everything (yet, it’s obvious she has not, by her own testimony)
    Submit to him without a word. (witness the “words” in the court filings.)

    But, look at it this way. Let’s say it gets even worse and Nag-me gets her divorce and later officially shacks up with her new man in a state-sanctioned adulterous union. Does anyone here know of a group of elders at any church who would even hear the case if Saaid brought it to them and asked them to excommunicate her based on 1st John 2:3-6? Because that is where the rubber meets the road and it seems that the churches today are no different from the church at Corinth- at which the Apostle Paul cited the case of a man taking his father’s wife (forbidden, a death penalty offense) and the church saying nothing about it. How is it any different today?

    Somebody point to one, just one group of elders that does NOT suffer from terminal testicular atrophy and I’ll point to a sliver of hope.

  107. RichardP says:

    @ Philalethes: One of the articles I’ve read recently regarding Saeed says that, in Iran, Christians may assemble (don’t know about the tax, etc.) But, muslims who convert to chrisitanity are prohibited from assembling with “normal” christians – those who didn’t convert from Islam. That is the point of the home-based churches. These are the only places where muslims who convert to christianity can assemble with other christians who have converted from Islam. Saeed was instrumental in creating many such home-based churches for his fellow muslim-turned-christians. Upon his first arrest, he was made to promise to stop creating these home-based churches – but he could continue with social work. So he and his wife turned to building orphanages.

  108. David J. says:

    @RichardP: Certainly — something related to the domestic case we know about. I meant that the sealed case is unlikely to be unrelated — it’s not a traffic stop, a business lawsuit, personal injury case, etc. — those cases don’t get sealed.

    Also, you are completely abusing 1 Cor. 7. That is NOT blanket permission for a wife’s divorce under any and all circumstances, with the attendant harm to the children, as long as she doesn’t remarry. The preceding sentence says explicitly that she MUST NOT separate. And the broader context is the prohibited separation would be at best a Plan B ONLY in cases of abandonment or adultery.

  109. David J. says:

    Sorry, AT, I didn’t see that you had already made the same points in response to RichardP. Thanks.

  110. The Jack Russell Terrorist says:

    What is happening to Saeed comes as no surprise to long time readers of Dalrock. She more than likely has a beta-white kinigit waiting in the wings. She may have in the back of her mind that maybe he will somehow pass away and be free to marry without the adultery hanging over her head. She will probably be on radio programs like CBC’s “The (left) Current” hosted by carpetbagger Anne Marie Tremonte, who is a die hard lefty fembot.

  111. Coloradomtnman says:

    @David J – I just looked at the record also and it is indeed sealed. It could very well be an old DV (Domestic Violence) complaint which can be sealed by his request as long as his spouse doesn’t contest. If so, his goose is cooked.

    Pure speculation on my part but it’s a civil matter and not an open case so it points to DV. His speeding tickets are listed and public.

  112. RichardP says:

    AT – I will leave it to you to reconcile Paul’s statement that I offered above. Paul says God says don’t do it, but if you do here are the only conditions under which you can do it. Paul is laying out degrees of being wrong. God said, don’t do it – but if you do, stay single or be reconciled. Do you dare claim that one who does this and stays single or is reconciled has fallen from favor with God. Fallen from favor with God more so than one who remarries?

    You are the one who is (rightly) drawing attention to our need to focus on what God actually says. What I provided above is something that God actually said. Don’t do it; but if you do, do it this way. If God wasn’t OK with that, would he have still said it?

  113. RichardP says:

    @David J. Nowhere did I equate “stepping away” with divorce. I was not talking about divorce. I was talking about stepping away – legal separation, or just going home to mom with the kids. Not divorce.

  114. Boxer says:

    This is a very interesting conversation you guys have going on…

    God is OK with little kids getting hurt. That is an extremely difficult truth for me to get my heart and head around. But, the fact is – if God didn’t want little kids to ever be hurt, he would have created Adam and Eve as something other than humans with the capacity for choice.

    When I read the new testament, I see no reason why an observant Christian woman should be divorcing her husband, with the exception of her husband whoring around (not symbolically with porn, but literally and physically, with other women).

    Admittedly, I don’t know what goes on in Iran’s prison system, but I imagine it is much like America’s: very depressing, with brief bursts of (usually guard-initiated) brutality, and no opportunity for female companionship. His incarceration makes the thought that he has been unfaithful very difficult to believe.

    With this in mind, Naghmeh seems to have no religious justification for separating from Saeed. I know she reads here, so I’ll continue hoping she finds some dignity. A faithful wife of a man who has been tried this way is a hero, but a woman who divorces her man after he has been through hard times is a common ho’, and not worthy of anyone’s respect. Naghmeh has a choice to make. The easy way is the way of reconciliation. I hope she’s not foolish enough to think that any normal man would trust or love her, after she did her husband dirty. If your husband can’t trust you, then no one can.

    Do the right thing, Naghmeh. Work it out and be an honorable wife and mother to your kids.

    Boxer

  115. feeriker says:

    Because that is where the rubber meets the road and it seems that the churches today are no different from the church at Corinth- at which the Apostle Paul cited the case of a man taking his father’s wife (forbidden, a death penalty offense) and the church saying nothing about it. How is it any different today?

    Only in that things are much, MUCH worse, the heresy and decay being deeper than ever. Does anyone doubt that if Paul were resurrected from the dead and wete to issue his epistles to the church today that he would be excommunicated/de-fellowshiped and branded as a heretic or a kooky fanatic?

  116. mmaier2112 says:

    The flames of Hell cannot be hot enough.

  117. greyghost says:

    Do the right thing, Naghmeh. Work it out and be an honorable wife and mother to your kids.

    This is what a Christian Church should have been doing while fluffing her up as a Christian woman.
    I don’t see why we are hair splitting on what God said. But I’m sure he wouldn’t approve of the female of the house gathering up the kids and leave. let’s play this out.
    “the kids and I are leaving. I’m still a dutiful Christian wife cause God is ok with this so don’t forget that asshole. when the cops get here with that order of protection and childsupport bill that is mans law not me muthafucka so don’t blame me. Don’t try and contact me praise the Lord loser.”

    That may have looked bad to the unrighteous but us righteous real Christian men know God is cool with cunts pulling this shit. Amen

  118. Mistral says:

    Egad. Sorry Dalrock, no disrespect, but tell us again why we shouldn’t fear/avoid marriage and fatherhood?

  119. feeriker says:

    With this in mind, Naghmeh seems to have no religious justification for separating from Saeed

    Nagmeh is about to prove what some of us here have long contended: that women, in the final analysis, incline to no god but their own hamsters and fear and respect no god but the State.

    God won’t confer cash and prizes upon her. The State will.
    God won’t make Saeed bend to her will. The State can, and will, if she plays her cards right.
    God doesn’t have the tangible force of law, with guns to back it up. The State does.
    God’s punishment is an abstraction. The State’s is real and observable in action.
    God hasn’t punished her (yet) for betraying her marriage vows, so there’s no reason to be afraid that He will.
    Fasting and prayer to God didn’t give her what she wanted (i.e., to be rid of Saeed). Suing and appealing to the State’s courts did.
    God hates divorce. The State loves it (less competition for authority from empowered men).

    So who gives women what they want in compliance with the FI? God, or the State?

    The question answers itself.

  120. @grayghost

    Heh. The church “fluffing” nag-me’s divorce porn episode. That’s as straight a call as I’ve ever seen.

  121. Dale says:

    @RichardP
    >1) We have no way of knowing whether her charges against him are true.

    Actually, we already know this is a lie. It is impossible to physically or sexually abuse someone in another city / country / continent.
    Claims of name-calling or yelling being “abuse” is nonsense. Unkind, sure. Possibly threatening. Not on the level of abuse.

  122. OKRickety says:

    Anyone have any insight into why there is another case with Saeed Abedini in the Court Records? It shows “Case Sealed By Court Rule or Judicial Order”. Is it likely related to the “legal separation” case?

    https://www.idcourts.us/repository/caseHistory.do?schema=ADA&county=Ada&roaDetail=yes&partySequence=2657816&displayName=Abedini%2C+Saeed

    The “Sequence” number 2657816 is quite close to the number (2657867) for the “legal separation” case. Other cases with similar Sequence numbers are quite recent, so I suppose this case is also quite recent.

  123. @RichardP

    In an absolute sense, the least of any individual’s sins, in and of itself, was sufficient to nail Christ to the cross. That is the magnitude of sin.

    The wording of the passage (1st Cor. 7:10-11) is such that it implies that there may come a time when the wife must leave her husband, without providing any guidance as to what kind of circumstances might warrant such action. However, the first portion was the command, not suggestion, not to separate. The second portion was that *if she did* she was to remain single (chaste) or be reconciled with her husband.

    Telling the child they are not to leave the house, but if they do leave the house they are to remain nearby or return to the house does not mean that it’s OK for the child to leave the house as long as they stay nearby. The rule is they are to stay in the house. However, there are some things that are highly unlikely that might occur- the house might catch fire. Someone might attempt to break into the house. These are highly unlikely but they are still possibilities, so if the child has reason to believe they *must* disregard the command to stay in the home, they are further instructed to remain nearby if they do or to return to the home.

    Several possibilities present themselves in the execution of that instruction.

    *The child obeys and stays in the house. All is well.
    *The child may leave the house without a valid reason but stay nearby and punishment is warranted.
    *The child may leave the house without a valid reason and further violate the instruction by leaving the immediate area. Greater punishment is warranted.
    *The child may leave the house with a valid reason and stay nearby. Some punishment may or may not be warranted depending on the culpability of the child in the events that warranted leaving the house.
    *The child with a valid reason and then violate the instruction to remain nearby. Regardless of the validity of the reason to leave the house, there is no excuse for the child to leave the immediate area and so further punishment is warranted.

    Notice that it is only when the child leaves the house with a valid reason to violate the instruction, but remains constant to the further instruction that there is the possibility of not being punished for violating the command, but I notice the justice displayed in Luke 12:47-48 might be instructive here:

    And that slave who knew his master’s will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes, but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more.

    @Dale

    The problem with quibbling over the definition of abuse is you skip over the part about abuse not being mentioned in the commands to wives. In fact, a careful reading of 1st Peter 3:1 demonstrates that it refers to 1st Peter 2;18-20. Verses 21-25 use Christ’s suffering as an *example* for servants and the instruction they received in verses 18-20. With that in mind 1st Peter 3:1 should be read to mean the wife is to submit to her husband even if he is disobedient to the word and treats her harshly (abuses her), and win him over without a word by her quiet and chaste conduct while she bears up well under her unjust suffering.

    Of course, that’s right up there with my position on when a marriage is initiated and the resultant indictment of the widespread adultery within the church. It’s guaranteed to result in a rapid expulsion amid angry screeching, but God’s Word is what it is. Take it or leave it. Christ said “Come to me all who are weary and heavy-laden, for my burden is light and my yoke is easy.” You don’t get the salvation without becoming a servant with a Master who has the authority to command you with every expectation of being obeyed.

    As servants we have a duty and obligation to uphold the commandments of our Master. Even if they are unpopular and counter to the culture we live in.

    I take comfort in knowing that IF Nag-me actually is a Christian, Revelation 3:19 is somewhere around the corner waiting for her. It may not even happen this life but the Lord is nothing if not just. She may be one of those Christians who, instead of hearing “well done, my good and faithful servant, come, enter the joy of your master” instead hears “bind this worthless slave and cast her into the outer darkness where there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth.” It is impossible that she has not heard the Gospel, so if she isn’t a Christian it means she rejected it and I’m sure there is a very special level in hell reserved for women like her.

  124. OKRickety says:

    I see I’m a little late on the other case against Abedini. Sorry.

    I do think the Sequence number suggests that this case is quite recent.

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  126. JDG says:

    Perhaps a document outlining his alleged abuse – involving her and maybe the children?

    I hope you understand that just having a biblical / patriarchal relationship with your wife is “abuse” according to these people.

  127. JDG says:

    Also, AT has a valid point IMO regarding abuse, and this applies to all Christians (not just wives).

  128. Jim says:

    “I hope you understand that just having a biblical / patriarchal relationship with your wife is “abuse” according to these people.”

    Dude, if you refuse to lick the butt crust out of her rear end and build a idol to the “Great FI Goddess” these days it’s called “abuse”. Any guy who marries these days has a screw loose or is just a masochist.

  129. JDG says:

    I knew a couple where the wife left the husband citing abuse. He had a back injury and never laid a had on her. When I called her on it she claimed it was “verbal abuse”. Quoting 1st Peter and referencing how Christians are called to suffer when necessary had ZERO affect on her. She already had another bo in line before initiating. The bo dumped her a couple of months later. Jezebel is a harlot.

  130. Boxer says:

    I knew a couple where the wife left the husband citing abuse. He had a back injury and never laid a had on her. When I called her on it she claimed it was “verbal abuse”.

    Yeah. He didn’t agree on what shade of brown to paint the upstairs study, or something.

    The men I have known who get divorced are, in the end, happier and healthier and better men for the experience. Not so for the women, who often get a short term monetary gain, but lose the social status and respect of being an honorable married woman.

    Naghmeh is a fool if she thinks, in 20 years, her life is going to be nearly as good as it would have been. She’ll be a bitter old skank, her kids will hate her, and she’ll watch as her husband marries a decent woman (prob. decades younger/hotter/tighter than herself). It’s a pattern I’ve seen many times. If she’s lucky, while she’s still moderately attractive, various 50-something playas might use her for sex. That’s all the play she’ll muster, though.

    On the upside, she will serve as an example that fathers can show their daughters. No normal girl wants to end up a bitter, elderly whore like Naghmeh will be. A potent warning indeed!!

  131. feeriker says:

    Quoting 1st Peter and referencing how Christians are called to suffer when necessary had ZERO affect on her.

    Of course not. There is no such book in the feminist bible. You might as well have been quoting from the Scrolls of Thoth in the original Egyptian.

  132. Having worked in the family courts for many years and dealt with divorces this post triggered me. They will wait to personally serve him when he lands, probably at the airport. He has just 21 days in most States to get settled, get a lawyer, and answer the complaint or they default him. He will have to pay up to 80% of any income he gets to the wife while she rails her new man on his bed. He might be able to see his kids 1 hour a week supervised visitation for the first month. It may be a no contact visit so he won’t even be allowed to hug his kids. Depends on the Social worker but some of them will poke and poke these inmates who have not seen their kid in years. After the full psychiatric evaluations are completed and filed and the reports argued before the magistrates it will finally get to the judge. The judge will adjourn the case for some reason or other. Then after several months he will maintain the Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) but will graciously allow unsupervised visitation twice a week. In about 7 months or so the Pastor should start to get overnights with the kids. Within a couple years he should be up to 1 weekend a month and 2 hours on Wednesday night- and he had better NOT be over 2 hours on his time with the kids! About 90% of “Amber Alerts” are that exact situation. Just FYI. This is assuming he is contrite and forgiving enough so that this Judas/Wife does not deliberately turn the children against him.

    Triggered.

  133. American says:

    1. Never marry.
    2. Never cohabitate.
    3. Never have children.
    4. Never deviate from 1-3 under any circumstances!

  134. Egad. Sorry Dalrock, no disrespect, but tell us again why we shouldn’t fear/avoid marriage and fatherhood?

    It’s much deeper than a fear of marriage and fatherhood. In this modern culture, neither exists, instead they have been replaced by a coercion culture based on your slavery. That is what you should fear and avoid it you should.

  135. @Boxer
    On the upside, she will serve as an example that fathers can show their daughters. No normal girl wants to end up a bitter, elderly whore like Naghmeh will be. A potent warning indeed!!

    With the discussion in the last thread on what men should be doing, perhaps this is an area in which men with no power or authority in the church can really make a difference. Wouldn’t it be neat to have a repository of stories about real women who did really horrible things to their husband and family and then the “rest of the story” about how their lives turned out later?

    I’m a bomb thrower (or as my ursine friend calls me, a “provocateur”) so my style wouldn’t work well for a project like that. With as many men as we have here, if just one particularly egregious example were found from each community, that would be a great start. Something like that could be turned into a documentary movie that would put “Fireproof” in perspective. Especially if it had the men’s perspective as well and showed that in the end the women only destroyed themselves. The icing on the cake would be interviews with the adult children who had their family wrecked by their mom’s selfishness and their lack of a relationship with her now… along with their candid opinions of her after having had years to reflect on what happened.

    This stuff didn’t just start yesterday so there has to be lots and lots of stuff available, just waiting for somebody to document it. The rules are already well established by the feminists, so getting interviews with the people who knew the couple in “happy” times to talk about what a wonderful and Godly woman she was is the setup, then the hidden camera recording her drunk in a bar making a complete ass of herself over an attractive guy (or worse- just depends on how far one wants to take it) would be the foundation. Then the history and backstory, candid interview with others (women will stab each other in the back in a heartbeat). Wonder how the adult children would react to seeing that?

    It isn’t a question of how bad it is, the only question is how much bad you want to put on display. There are probably some non-Christian PUA guys out there willing to take one for the team for a good cause and getting it on video has never been easier. What’s funny is these days an upper-end smartphone has a camera as good or better than the multi-thousand dollar Canon GL2 and Sony VX2000 I was using 15 years ago to make videos with.

    Of course, the women in the church would throw an absolute fit over something like that, so the only way to give it legs would be to show just how depraved the women had become and how things finally worked out for them. The neat thing is a revisit of the women in question every 5 years or so would just emphasize the stupidity of their decisions. A closing scene with cats eating a dead body would guarantee enough publicity that it would reach a broad audience.

    But this is probably a really bad idea. We’re supposed to put our Christian women on a pedestal and submit to them because it’s always the man’s fault when they are forced to give him the wake-up call. And divorce-rape him, and take away their children’s father from them (for their own good!). Christian women never act like sluts, they don’t cheat on their husbands, after all, we don’t have any *evidence* of that because nobody is willing to get it. There are plenty of men who can attest to the fact that once you’ve got a married woman in bed, she will cheerfully tell you about all the times she’s cucked her husband along with the details of how. She’ll laugh about how she’s going to turn him down later when he wants sex. But those men are all *very* bad men, they’re PUA’s. Good Christians don’t listen to them because game doesn’t work and they’re just making up stories.

    No, this is a really bad idea, because if some those *bad men* PUA’s could walk into church on Sunday morning and game some wives it would be bad. It would *never* be the woman’s fault that she wound up banging said PUA in the church parking lot during the sermon while her husband thought she was working in the nursery. Christian women just don’t *do* that kind of thing and if they did it certainly isn’t their fault. It was their husband’s fault! He was so repulsive she *had* to do it to preserve her self-respect! Ask any woman! Besides, his SUV had blacked out windows so it wasn’t like it was public or anything like that.

    Somebody saw us?! I was raped! Right there in the parking lot, I was raped!

    Camera? What camera? You mean there was a video camera filming us? Three cameras!!!?? OMG! OK, how much money do you want for the video.

    What! What do you mean you’re going to give it to my husband??!!! Only a monster would do that! You’ll destroy my marriage!!!

    Yep, it’s just a really bad idea. Best to forget all about it. The irony would just be too much.

  136. Jeremiah says:

    He needs more than our prayers. Is there a way we can help him financially?

  137. joshtheaspie says:

    @enrique:

    More demanding “man up” language eh? I was honestly considering what to do about Pastor Abeed. You’ve just convinced me not to contact any of the ‘prominent Christians’ I don’t normally think about anyway.

  138. Hawk&Rock says:

    What kind of woman/wife would choose to subject her husband to the emotional, psychological, and financial degradation, turmoil and trauma he is about to face via the family court system?

    At the very least, one who does not love him anymore.

    What kind of woman/wife would choose to do this immediately following his 3+ year ordeal in an Iranian prison? At the very least, a selfish and cruel one.

    Oh yeah…Also one who at the very least, already has his replacement lined up.

    Could you attempt to reconcile under those circumstances?

  139. Hawk&Rock says:

    @Boxer,

    “On the upside, she will serve as an example that fathers can show their daughters. No normal girl wants to end up a bitter, elderly whore like Naghmeh will be. A potent warning indeed!!”

    In my experience, this is pure revenge fantasy. If they so desire, most of these women end up remarried within a few years with most of the same friends and all of the social support (including church support) that they had before their divorces. Most will be just fine.

    Their kids? Not so much but they should just be thankful they had such a strong mom or they would probably have fared even worse (right?).

  140. yamanous says:

    just a hundred years ago she would have been slain from the beginning

  141. greyghost says:

    What kind of woman/wife would choose to subject her husband to the emotional, psychological, and financial degradation, turmoil and trauma he is about to face via the family court system?

    All of them would including yours and my wife and daughters. The whole purpose of civilized society is to keep this kind of behavior in check. Laws, customs, and traditions, ,the day to day aspects of culture. The creator provided us with a bible to guide us through. Women lack empathy and the capacity to love but do have a strong desire and need to be seen as empathetic and loving. A civil and thriving society understands this and makes it part of it’s order. Never project this on to women with out her direct effort to display empathy and love otherwise we get this woman’s behavior. It is also why nice guys get frivorced and civilizations fail. Check genesis 3:15 though 3: 19 This is how it is there is no getting around it.
    This is normal female behavior when left unchecked. now tell her you love her. .

  142. greyghost says:

    hawk&Rock

    On the upside, she will serve as an example that fathers can show their daughters. No normal girl wants to end up a bitter, elderly whore like Naghmeh will be. A potent warning indeed!!”

    On the upside this gave motivation and birth to the red pill and the manosphere’s collection of beta males looking for answers to this issue. You can bet your ass my son will learn from this. Females can only learn from this when men are red pill and make such behavior and out come a reality that is the norm.

  143. Boston to Providence says:

    I would’ve sworn that she’d stick around for the potential book deal income (perhaps she found out, before letting slip her dogs, that the pastor would decline to pursue one – almost no degree of suspicion is implausible with such women in these situations). Her lack of consideration for this lends credence, in my mind, to the theory of her infidelity, or perhaps she has simply become twisted with hate.

    @johntheaspie: I think this is one case of “man up” that you could let go of. Enrique’s suggestion should be a matter of course. Saeed should be supported. Of course, with the indelible slander of the abuse claim, no mainstream pastor will touch this. Their support (such as it ever was) will end with his passage to physical freedom, and that’s where ours must begin.

  144. Remo says:

    He needs to quietly appease her and get her and his children on a plane to Saudi for … reasons … make something up preferably lucrative that gets big money signs in her eyes for the future divorce rapes she’s planning. Then he needs to loudly denounce her in public, brand her a heretic and a whore, and get her arrested by Saudi authorities. Bribe them to have her severely punished, imprisoned, etc. Make a fake recording of her saying awful things about the prophet. Then he takes his kids and disappears. Its no worse than what she is planning.

  145. Opus says:

    Interesting to learn that she (is and) was three years older than her husband when they married. I am wondering, in their Iranian culture, whether she was somewhat ‘on the shelf’ and thus married in some desperation. That Mr Abedini may be courageous and brave (or foolhardy) does not prevent him from having gone with the first woman to show him interest (if that was the case).

    What I’d like to know is (and I think her tweets might give some useful clues): Who’s Nailin’ Naghmeh?

  146. Opus, Naghmeh simply cannot be compared to Lisa Ann, although a couple of drunk Russian tank drivers might give her a go. With enough vodka. And a lot of eyebleach afterward.

    However it works out, we can assume the guy in question is not a Russian tank driver and I suspect he’s already thinking that the blowback from him being publicly linked as Saeed’s dog in the manger will kill his rep. Especially if he’s tied to any Christian media or organization. That would be poetic justice.

    Saeed needs a good lawyer but he also needs a really good publicist. This story is just too brutal to be ignored, even by the harridans who would normally be able to spike it. If he plays his cards right it could help him with his divorce and custody issues (Judges in Idaho are elected).

  147. benfromtexas says:

    When the husband is away the wife will play. These stories of women going feral are getting way too common nowadays.

  148. tickletik says:

    This woman was alone with her children, totally dependent on the material good will of others while her husband was stuck in a prison being tortured. Soemthing that terrified her, and at the same time she probably resented him for causing her to go through all this. “Oh he is sobrave, how can they do this him? What is he going through now?” Coupled with “Goddamit did he have to be so brave and righteous? Everyone thinks about his suffering, what about mine?!”

    Logical? Well actually, we are dealing with people, so no, it doesnt have to be logical. What she needed were wise honest people to be aware of all these conflicting human tendencies to help guide her and support her properly.

    When, not if, she would feel resentment, she probably felt horrible guilt for that same resentment, which naturally makes her resent him even more, especially if shes surrounded by morons, which we all know she was. Lonely, frightened, dependent on blithering idiots while someone she loves and admires is being torn apart. Any normal human would be going crazy by this point, what she needed were wise old men and women who understood the human soul.

    Unfotunately what she probably got instead were a bunch of superficially well meaning but corrupt imbeciles praising her endlessly for being such a hero, now the hero martyr label is a lot better than the secondary sidekick label, so her mind latched on to that. Maybe it was even worse. Taking a man away from his wife, is also a torment for the wife as well. Just like it would be in reverse.

    Well, its a mess, but an important one. This case needs to be studied in depth so those of us who are men of conscience and true compassion can learn from it to guide and protect the next family that goes through something like this,

  149. JJ Barrister says:

    I imagine being held a political prisoner in a foreign land could make one a little persistent about getting out of jail. If she could no longer support his efforts for release she should have divorced him then, this “abuse from jail” line is absurd.

  150. PokeSalad says:

    I presume that she has political ambitions.

    She reminds me of a Persian Wendy Davis.

  151. enrique says:

    @Greyghost. Nailed it. There may be a spectrum with various women, to what degree they will ditch you (or harm you) based upon their needs, wants and desires, but it is inside all of them. What’s interesting, from a psychological standpoint, Neg couldn’t even handle THIS. Her threshold point was so low that her husband could be locked up/away, and she still made it about her.

    I’m serious about Franklin Graham (I believe she had bragged on FB about meeting him) and other leaders. I’d like to see Christian men (like the ones on here), start publicly calling out these guys–get them on record. Also, if Saeed believes he has support, REAL SUPPORT, he may be less likely to just roll over, but if he feels abandoned (as will probably be the case), he will settle this to avoid the embarrassment that comes with false accusation and subsequent White Knightedry.

    He needs a “Defend SAEED” fund started now. She will react negatively to that, which will be problematic, from her attorney’s perspective, because she seems like such an attention whore that she will start posting things like “Wow, a group of so-called “Christian men” have decided to financially support an…abu…my…uhm…ex husband.” Her attorney, if he has any brains, will caution her against publicly making more comments about her Husband, but instead to keep it within the safe confines of a court complaint (where you cannot be sued for defamation).

    She will also come armed with gazillions of feminist Christian women.

  152. enrique says:

    Speaking of abuse: Uber girl:

    https://www.yahoo.com/gma/miami-doctor-accused-attacking-uber-driver-calls-biggest-125500270–abc-news-topstories.html

    She actually does what we would want, she apologizes publicly, accepts responsibility, asks for forgiveness and advises others to use her situation as a lesson. Of course, all of this is only because it was caught on vid.

  153. Dota says:

    I was born a Muslim (shia) but eventually drifted away from Islam over the years and am now non-religious. I have always admired Christianity’s ethically solid foundation and I confess that once I even pondered the possibility of converting to Christianity. However, after reading Dalrock’s blog over the last year (and the Naghmeh episode in particular) I have resolutely decided against it. I don’t think I’ll be returning to Islam either as I’ve lost my faith in all religion, but I must ask this: How can Jesus be God when he inspires such weak devotion from his followers?

  154. feeriker says:

    …what she needed were wise old men and women who understood the human soul.

    HAH! Good luck finding any of those in any given congregation today. As I remind people endlessly, Titus 2 women are for all practical purposes extinct. Men who might otherwise exhibit such wisdom are, in their churchian variety, almost invariably become supplicating and enabling white knights when it comes to the women of their congregations.

    You’re absolutely correct; Nagmeh was dwelling in the desert in terms of wisdom and spiritual mentoring.

  155. Looking Glass says:

    Well, another harlot makes plan that’s all she ever was. She’ll join her sisters of Jezebel and rest in Hell for it. She has chosen her path. It’s only sad she’ll inflict so much damage on others.

    Since my mind is on such things, anyone got a read on what type of damage you could inflict on a Church that may or may not have been “helping” Naghmeh along the way? I wonder if you could ruin them via a Defamation suit? Considering she’s obviously gotten extremely extensive advice from somewhere, those people should be fairly easy to destroy in court. Depending on the circumstances around the situation.

  156. Pilgrim says:

    Dota – read the lives of the saints. Saint Catherine of Siena by Sigrid Undset is a great place to start.

  157. enrique says:

    Vomit: The lead paragraph says it all, the “next” battle is….for her. She is strong and independent. He is an abusive asshole that should be thankful she “hid” the allegations of abuse so long. Holy F#$kballs, this drama is beyond farcical.

    http://www.christiantoday.com/article/naghmeh.abedini.seeks.prayers.husband.counseling/77456.htm

    “It might seem like the battle is already won now that Pastor Saeed Abedini has been released from his Iranian prison cell, but his wife Naghmeh is preparing for more emotional and spiritual battles ahead.

    “Please pray for us as we will be spending weeks or possibly months healing as a family and going through counseling. I am thankful for Franklin Graham for coming along side our family through this next steps of the difficult journey ahead,” she writes on her Facebook page.

    Before Saeed’s release, Naghmeh actually revealed to supporters that she suffered from “physical, emotional, psychological, and sexual abuse through her husband’s addiction to pornography,” which started during the early years of their marriage. The abuse only got worse when Saeed was imprisoned, she said, but the faithful wife is now hoping that they can “address the serious issues that have happened” now that Saeed is back.

    “I am believing in a miracle for our marriage. We need your prayers more than ever. The enemy wants to bring division and destruction. Please pray that we can heal and move forward united as a family,” she pleads.”

    …Now…back to the (sealed) and dis-uniting court complaints…

    I don’t think you could GET MORE PHONY that this woman, or the whole situation. Where’s Franklin Graham on all this?

  158. Boxer says:

    AT:

    A closing scene with cats eating a dead body

    lolled hard at this.

    Boxer

  159. Boxer says:

    I often take to playing a fun epistemic game with emotionally-laden texts. For example:

    Before Saeed’s release, he actually revealed to supporters that he suffered from “physical, emotional, psychological, and sexual abuse” not from extreme isolation and rough treatment in prison, but through his wife’s “addiction to trashy romance novels,” which started during the early years of their marriage. The abuse only got worse when Saeed was imprisoned, he said, but the faithful husband is now hoping that they can “address the serious issues that have happened” now that he has returned.

    Would you sympathize with this man, or would you laugh in his punk face?

    Why should we sympathize with anyone who makes such a nutty claim?

    Boxer

  160. enrique says:

    I’ve asked for years, when I’ve played such a game with the women I know in my life, why Romance Novels are not considered un-virtuous as porn, especially when women claim they are less visual and more into romance…then why wouldn’t such novels be considered cheating on a spouse, and well…”ABUSE”

    I saw the pics of the Pastor at the airport with his parents and sister. I surely hope he fights these allegations whole hog and THIS–THIS is where a sister (woman) can come into play. His sister ABSOLUTELY has to come out in his defense. Not that the Christian church will care…we will get the whole, double hand motion downward, “Calm down folks, look, it’s a complex situation, yes we understand his parents and sister are, understandably, defending him..let’s not get dragged into this whole “who’s a better Christian” thing, ok?” “There’s a lot of blame to go around and healing for us all”.

    Then, ultimately, as we have seen since Anita Hill all the way to Duke Rape Hoax, when it is clear the woman is lying we get the “but it was the PRINCIPLE of what she was saying that matters”.

    Like women concede..sure, convicted child abuser and murderer Crystal Mangum was “confused” about her situation, but that only hurts women from coming forward…blah blah. not that it has any affect on the MEN FALSELY ACCUSED.

  161. craig says:

    Dota says: “How can Jesus be God when he inspires such weak devotion from his followers?”

    If you read the Christian scriptures, it was this way from the beginning: followers who are faithless and cowardly right alongside those who are bold and witness right unto death. Usually all these traits are present in the same people, and it’s a struggle to see which trait will dominate. Christians have to soldier on through periods of life in which God appears to be silent and no consolation appears to be forthcoming. The virtue of hope is what sustains us: “a light to you in dark places, when all other lights go out”. In short, Christianity is not for sissies.

  162. Coloradomtnman says:

    Naghmeh keeps posting things in the public domain on her Facebook account. Keep talking; great facts to be cross-examined under oath.

    “he did pray for 20 hours a day for the first 6 months when he had no phone. People who visited him in prison said he was changing then. After the 6 months he got access to the phone. He was on the phone with me 6-8 hours a day and then watching Movies on my Amazon account and then sleeping. Definitely not praying for 20 hours a day for the last few years of his imprisonment.”

  163. enrique says:

    Because, having a movie “on” via a monitored Amazon account, in a foreign (hostile) nation, is proof that he was “watching” said movie…and not the guards, or not Iranian Intel backtracing through the account to gain access to other material via such an account. Because, the Persians are too “stupid” to be doing any forensic work on him, through him and any associated accounts.

    Is this woman stupid, evil or both?

  164. bob k. mando says:

    Dota says: January 28, 2016 at 8:45 am
    but I must ask this: How can Jesus be God when he inspires such weak devotion from his followers?

    all religions, philosophies and beliefs have those who “fall away”, for whatever reason.

    this has nothing to do with the validity of the system being talked about and, often, indicates nothing more than that the person in question put away their previously declared beliefs because those beliefs don’t currently benefit them or might even cost them something.

    the problem of back sliding and false teachers seeking entry into the Church was noted many times … in the New Testament epistles.

    the question of “is Jesus, God?” has nothing to do with whether any particular imperfect, sinful person ( as we all are ) fails to uphold the faith in any particular or even falls away from the whole concept. it’s that his sacrifice is the blood offering which covers up and washes away all of your sins.

  165. Coloradomtnman says:

    I think she’s both. First, all of her Facebook posts are subject to discovery; everything going back years. Secondly, her absurd exaggerations – ‘I spoke to him for 6-8 hours every day’ – can be shown to be false in minutes by looking at her phone bill. When the worm turns on this one – which it will she’s going to be readily viewed as a complete fool.

    She also posted on Facebook – that he has ‘abuse convictions in Idaho’ that prove he is who she says he is. verbatim
    “Naghmeh Abedini Kammil Bridgette the police records in Boise will speak for themselves. Domestic abuse convictions. No more explanation needed.”

    Here is another of her posts on FB – verbatim “Naghmeh Abedini Jason Dolly Cassar he was not broken in prison because he had access to phone and was watching sexual/porn and was skyping and calling instead of spending that time with the Lord. I have evidence of that if needed. He already told the congressman in Germany that he had access to phone. So he is not hiding it.”

  166. Coloradomtnman says:

    Most interestingly I would like to know what network was being accessed by this phone – Verizon, ATT or WIFI inside the prison? If it was WIFI then it was obviously a monitored and packet recorded device – DUH! Also, where was the device charged and how did it keep a charge allowing for a 6-8 hour phone call?

  167. enrique says:

    Wow, so if all this is true, it will be remarkable evidence! So he already has, publicly viewable? convictions in the system in Idaho (do they have an online system?). If so, then that would tend to support at least the spirit of her claim, in theory, (he isn’t who he says he is), if NOT, then that’s defamation, claiming someone is guilty of a crime in which they are not, particularly DV. And NONE of this was known by anyone in the universe at an earlier time? Except for her?

  168. enrique says:

    Coloradomtnman, if she is this talkative online, they must have milked every call for everything. Like a treasure trove of intel (even innocuous things like when she was planning to meet with so and so can be used to link OTHER information). Anyone with L/E or Intel background knows, every piece of info can be relevant when pieced with other pieces.

    Maybe when she publicly cut ties with him, they realized he had no more values…

    “You’re letting me go free?”

    “Yes, your wife isn’t going to be calling you any longer…you’re not needed now”

  169. @Dota: >How can Jesus be God when he inspires such weak devotion from his followers?

    The God of Abraham is quite different than the Muslim “god.” Jesus never uses Jedi Mind Tricks to coerce His followers into submission or to force non-followers to follow him and neither does Jehovah. He gave us free will. This is the difference between Islam (aka “Submission”) and Christianity (voluntary followers of Christ).

    When Christians say there is no compulsion in religion they really mean it.

  170. lolled hard at this.

    Hard enough to produce a hairball?

    But seriously, I didn’t realize that Charisma News would be so blatantly feminist. Don’t misunderstand, since I was driven to study up on the original Vineyard churches and the founder(s) John Wimber and his wife, and because I have personally attended a number of wild charismatic services that included all the shenanigans, because I once even had a black pastor call me to the front of a black church (my family was five of the maybe eight white people in the church that day) and pray for me, expecting I would fall out and be slain in the spirit he pressed and pressed his oil covered hand on my forehead as I slid one foot behind me to steady myself and prevent falling backwards, I came to view the experiential type worship as a place where a couple of men suffering a form of evangelical arrogance in their charismatic machinations could transfix women’s emotional cravings onto whatever farcical manifestation they could dream up.

    Google “Leg Lengthening Ministry” and see the other power of The Lift. Sheesh now another term has to be coined.

    Charismaticuckservatives.

    Charisma News shockingly puts ads for these books in prime ad space on the site. Both of these, when a new edition comes out, Saeed will be in the content and Naghmeh will write the forward.

    http://strang.christianbook.com/strong-women-men-who-love-them/tom-lane/9781629985923/pd/985923

    http://strang.christianbook.com/controlling-husband-every-woman-needs-know/ron-welch/9780800722302/pd/722307?event=CFCER1

  171. nick012000 says:

    @Dota: >How can Jesus be God when he inspires such weak devotion from his followers?

    Because while the Kingdom of God has been released onto the Earth, it has not conquered the Earth yet; in this age, the rulership of the Earth belongs to Satan, and he is struggling with Jesus for the ownership of our souls. He is entirely willing to do whatever is required of him to achieve his goals of destroying as many human souls as possible, even impersonating God, and he has armies of willing followers in the halls of power who seek to do his bidding.

  172. Dalrock says:

    @CoMtnMan

    Here is another of her posts on FB – verbatim “Naghmeh Abedini Jason Dolly Cassar he was not broken in prison because he had access to phone and was watching sexual/porn and was skyping and calling instead of spending that time with the Lord. I have evidence of that if needed. He already told the congressman in Germany that he had access to phone. So he is not hiding it.”

    She is really freaking out, going full scorched earth. For months she was careful to stoke the media fires just enough to keep the press trashing Saeed, but at the same time generating a smokescreen of passive aggressive deniability. Starting yesterday she took a strong turn, making it clear to everyone that while she says she wants reconciliation, she is actively trashing Saeed. What isn’t clear is if she understands that she has shifted to scorched earth mode, or if she is just lashing out because others are starting to see the ugly thing she is doing.

  173. @Liz,

    Now there is enough information, so I concede Dalrock is right.

    Be sure you c&p this on IB’s blog. I’ll be waiting.

  174. She’s a sister in Christ, Dalrock, as I am, and we all need your encouragement, your support, your love, not your fear, not your condemnation, and not your gossip. Weaker vessels, right? Weaker vessels already facing more than one human being can handle, should not be pointlessly kicked about for your own gratification.

    Your love in Christ has the power to change everything. Your condemnation, not so much.

    https://insanitybytes2.wordpress.com/2016/01/16/okay-dalrock/

    Uh, heheheh,…

    Reality has a Red Pill bias:
    https://insanitybytes2.wordpress.com/2016/01/16/okay-dalrock/#comment-30137

  175. Dalrock says:

    @Rollo

    Reality has a Red Pill bias:
    https://insanitybytes2.wordpress.com/2016/01/16/okay-dalrock/#comment-30137

    I saw the name of the commenter and had to double check the gravitar to make sure he is the same Eric who commented here with his signature term “Amerobitches”. Same gravitar.

  176. Dota says:

    Bob Mando
    the question of “is Jesus, God?” has nothing to do with whether any particular imperfect, sinful person ( as we all are ) fails to uphold the faith in any particular or even falls away from the whole concept.

    I’m going to have to respectfully disagree. All religions sound great on paper, but ultimately religion is what the adherents do. Is Islam a peaceful and tolerant religion? It was, 900 years ago during the Abbasid dynasty when philosophy and Algebra flourished. Is Islam a violent religion? It certainly is today. Islam is what Muslims do. If Muslims are peaceful, then Islam is peaceful, if not, then Islam isn’t peaceful. The same applies to Christianity. Christianity strikes me as a weak and effete religion because that is how Christians behave. They have surrendered their institutions, families, and even children to the forces of feminism and cultural Marxist rot.

    Because while the Kingdom of God has been released onto the Earth, it has not conquered the Earth yet; in this age, the rulership of the Earth belongs to Satan, and he is struggling with Jesus for the ownership of our souls.

    I understand that the point of Christianity is to serve and not to dominate (although historically, Christians did quite a bit of the latter too). This point was symbolically made by Jesus when he washed the feet of his disciplines. However, even if Christians are politically and financially helpless, they can still resist. The Christians of antiquity who publicly declared their faith and happily marched into the Colosseum towards certain death committed an act of extraordinary defiance and valor. The point I am making is that today’s Christians have simply given up. Dalrock has made it abundantly clear that Churches don’t even acknowledge the presence of feminism. I do not care about the glories of the past, today Islam is violent and Christianity is pathetic. They are both worthless. This is a shame because historically it was Christianity that made the west great.

  177. I presume InanityBytes’ apology will be forthcoming any day now,…

  178. Jim Clay says:

    Boxer,
    Mormons have an identical rule (google ‘blood atonement’). In a perfect world, I’d have had my head sawed off, shortly after I first set foot in the cathedral downtown.
    That is a lie.

  179. Boxer says:

    I do not care about the glories of the past, today Islam is violent and Christianity is pathetic. They are both worthless. This is a shame because historically it was Christianity that made the west great.

    You’re falling into the trap of seeing these movements ahistorically. To you they’re merely social groups that you can join, and you’re judging them on the quality of the current herd.

    I think men should also judge them on their application. These are disciplines that can make your life better. In that regard, they’re both worthwhile, in their own respective ways.

  180. Scott says:

    Google “Leg Lengthening Ministry” and see the other power of The Lift. Sheesh now another term has to be coined.

    Holy crap, man. The first time I ever heard one of those stories, I was like 9. I had no idea it was still a thing.

  181. SnapperTrx says:

    A popular radio host turned podcaster has been a long time supporter of both Saeed and Naghmeh, and has only just now posted something with regards to the situation at hand. I have since posted in response how I feel about the situation, and how Nahgmeh is pulling a ‘girl-jerk’ move for doing this as her husband is stepping off the plane, as well as how Christians will have already judged Saeed when they have no facts, merely an accusation. We shall see how he and the general public responds. Already saw a response that boiled down to “if I had known the ugly side of this story I don’t know if I would have prayed for Saeed!”. Wow, great heart of Jesus, lady. Because He NEVER prayed for sinners.

  182. Cane Caldo says:

    @Coloradomtnman

    Even supposing what she says is true

    “he did pray for 20 hours a day for the first 6 months when he had no phone. People who visited him in prison said he was changing then. After the 6 months he got access to the phone. He was on the phone with me 6-8 hours a day and then watching Movies on my Amazon account and then sleeping. Definitely not praying for 20 hours a day for the last few years of his imprisonment.

    What’s the message here?

    What a loser, amiright? Any real man wrongly imprisoned over three years for literally doing the Lord’s work ought to be able to pray 20 hours a day the whole time. A real never suffer periods of doubt, discouragement, stupor, and certainly not mere boredom. Real men don’t need to be cut any slack, and to all those phony men you will get no quarter and no forgiveness. A real man he wouldn’t need them anyways. So be a good Christian and cut Naghmeh some slack and forgive her not dealing perfectly with a husband who abandoned her while she works out the divorce she deserves.

    The peace of God on Seed. May the stink of Naghmeh’s hubris rise to Heaven and the Lord be offended on Saeed’s behalf.

    @Dalrock

    Small quibble, but important I think to maintain the thrust of efforts.

    This is seriously ugly business, but we should remember that marriage is sacred and that there are children at risk of growing up in a broken home.

    I think we must not get distracted into worrying about the children. Saeed’s children have a father who is committed to the Lord so much so that he suffered prison rather than give up on Christ. We can believe with confidence that if Saeed is upheld his children will prosper in his care.

    @Dota

    I was born a Muslim (shia) but eventually drifted away from Islam over the years and am now non-religious. I have always admired Christianity’s ethically solid foundation and I confess that once I even pondered the possibility of converting to Christianity. However, after reading Dalrock’s blog over the last year (and the Naghmeh episode in particular) I have resolutely decided against it. I don’t think I’ll be returning to Islam either as I’ve lost my faith in all religion, but I must ask this: How can Jesus be God when he inspires such weak devotion from his followers?

    We know Jesus Christ is God because He is resurrected and because He resurrected others. He has power over life and death; which no one else has.

    What you should be asking is: Why is a quitter like Dota questioning the God with a follower like Saeed?

  183. Coloradomtnman says:

    I’m actually optimistic about this situation with Saeed. He is going to come out of this entire situation as a better messenger for Christ.

    My prayer for this situation is three things: The Truth will prevail, the tricks and lies of the enemy will be exposed and His perfect will be done.

    Having a she-devil ex-wife strengthened my faith, grew my character, forced me to face up to my own poor choices and allowed me an opportunity to be a father to my children that I would not have been able to do otherwise. Once he steps out of the napalm fog he will have an opportunity to see the blue sky.

  184. Cane Caldo says:

    @Coloradomtnman

    I’m actually optimistic about this situation with Saeed. He is going to come out of this entire situation as a better messenger for Christ.

    Word.

    Having a she-devil ex-wife strengthened my faith, grew my character, forced me to face up to my own poor choices and allowed me an opportunity to be a father to my children that I would not have been able to do otherwise.

    Marriage is the crucible one chooses to be refined by.

  185. Miserman says:

    Over the years many men have commented on this blog that they were abandoned by their churches once their wives decided to blow up their families.

    This the big, ugly underbelly of American Evangelical Christianity.

    And He said, “Go, and tell this people: ‘Keep on hearing, but do not understand; Keep on seeing, but do not perceive.’ – Isaiah 6:9 NKJV

  186. AnonS says:

    “All religions sound great on paper, but ultimately religion is what the adherents do.”

    All math sounds great on paper, but ultimately math is what the adherents do.

    Religions are claims about objective reality that can be true or false.

  187. feeriker says:

    I presume InanityBytes’ apology will be forthcoming any day now,…

    The only thing “forthcoming” from that quarter will be more angry, disjointed rambling that will make an interview with Charles Manson seem eloquent and articulate by comparison.

  188. Boxer says:

    First I write:

    Mormons have an identical rule (google ‘blood atonement’). In a perfect world, I’d have had my head sawed off, shortly after I first set foot in the cathedral downtown.

    Then Jim Clay sez:

    That is a lie.

    Don’t take my word for it. Here’s Brigham Young himself…

    There are sins that men commit for which they cannot receive forgiveness in this world, or in that which is to come, and if they had their eyes open to see their true condition, they would be perfectly willing to have their blood spilt upon the ground, that the smoke thereof might ascend to heaven as an offering for their sins; and the smoking incense would atone for their sins, whereas, if such is not the case, they will stick to them and remain upon them in the spirit world. (Lecture, 21 September, 1856)

    http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mountainmeadows/atonement.html

    Hope this helps, brother.

    Boxer

  189. The Question says:

    @ Dalrock

    Anyone who knows her personally should have the decency to tell her to stay off social media and handle all of this privately. This is what happens when you have emotionally unstable people with access to social media who then use it like it’s a private diary.

    It’s amazing because even if someone were to buy into the farcical notion that she has legitimate grounds for divorce, they would have to concede that the matter should be handled as discreetly as possible so as not to create unnecessary division or strife within the Church, or at the very least bring the least amount of shame to the children. Don’t we always get people telling us that it’s “about the children?” How are they being taken into consideration in all of this with their father’s name being dragged through the mud.

  190. Once again, the Red Pill is a better predictor of human behavior than feminism/equalism (or churchianity for that matter) has ever been:

    https://insanitybytes2.wordpress.com/2016/01/16/okay-dalrock/#comment-30137

    You can’t sweep under your Christianese rug what’s written all over the walls.

  191. Oane says:

    Same here my “christian” church family abandoned me

  192. Dota says:

    Boxer
    To you they’re merely social groups that you can join, and you’re judging them on the quality of the current herd. I think men should also judge them on their application. These are disciplines that can make your life better. In that regard, they’re both worthwhile, in their own respective ways.

    I acknowledge that historically both Christianity and Islam helped shape their domains in profound ways (art, architecture, literature ect). In my opinion, Christianity is more morally focused than Islam precisely because it has produced Western societies that are high trust and ethical; and not because Christ supposedly rose from the dead (which can’t be proven anyway). A good religion produces good results and Christianity has done that historically by encouraging ethical action.

    Today, However, it is a weak and ineffective religion. It’s ironic that while both Christianity and Islam are under attack, their responses are poles apart. Christians have their heads buried so far in the sand that they refuse to even acknowledge the presence of feminism, and indeed have capitulated entirely to it. Muslims have gone the other way and in an extreme manner. They have taken on a siege mentality which has made them paranoid, insecure, narrow-minded, and generally intolerant.

    I haven’t been to a mosque in years, but I’m pretty sure very few imams would stand by a woman like Naghmeh. This episode was appalling and the justifications that many make for Naghmeh’s disgraceful behaviour makes me ill. Did Naghmeh overpower the Church or is this what modern Christianity has become? For all their faults (and numerous they are) Muslims will not allow feminists to re-interpret the Quran for them.

    Cane Caldo
    What you should be asking is: Why is a quitter like Dota questioning the God with a follower like Saeed?

    Because I’m a skeptic, it’s what we do.

  193. feeriker says:

    Once again, the Red Pill is a better predictor of human behavior than feminism/equalism (or churchianity for that matter) has ever been:

    https://insanitybytes2.wordpress.com/2016/01/16/okay-dalrock/#comment-30137

    You can’t sweep under your Christianese rug what’s written all over the walls.

    Indeed.

    OK, so, Liz, when are we going to see an admission over at IB22’s identical to the one you gave here? Consistency and all that, y’know …

  194. enrique says:

    Dota

    Naghmeh would be completely ostracized were she still Muslim. Actually, none of this would have occurred. Other women would have told her to STFU.

    In Islam, we see women for how they are, just like the Jews of old. In my Masjid, she wouldn’t even be able to enter until she publicly apologized to her husband.

  195. Cane Caldo says:

    @Dota

    Because I’m a skeptic, it’s what we do.

    What an effeminate answer.

  196. cynthia says:

    @greyghost

    Sorry for the overdue reply, but you’re absolutely right. The people who have encouraged her on this path have some culpability as well. Not that it absolves her of guilt. It’s the rare woman who will proceed down a path that those around her disapprove of. We’re social beings; ostracization is a fate worse than death.

    Is her family here in America? It may very well be that she has no support structure (and no other men in her life) to slap some sense into her.

  197. Opus says:

    Criticism is often voiced in England largely by Fathers4Justice that the Matrimonial Courts, being held in private, are effectively a Star Chamber or secret court. The rational for the apparent secrecy is of course that one hardly wants ones matrimonial affairs discussed in public or reported in the local paper. I was, therefore, somewhat taken aback to discover that in the State of Idaho (as can be seen above) an outline of the matters in issue in the case can easily be obtained by anyone with a laptop. Mrs Abedini, nevertheless, has added some flesh to the outline courtesy of the social media – truly washing ones dirty linen in public – and is surely looking way beyond the inevitable outcome of the present proceedings. Her latest tweet avers: “I love my Pastor. He has been there every step of the way”. Has this Pastor who she loves, I wonder, been helping her proceed to divorce/separation and/or helping himself to Mrs Abedini?

    *and that your Judges are democratically elected – ye gods!

  198. Anonymous Reader says:

    Empath
    I came to view the experiential type worship as a place where a couple of men suffering a form of evangelical arrogance in their charismatic machinations could transfix women’s emotional cravings onto whatever farcical manifestation they could dream up.

    You went a lot further into that world than I ever did, but for similar reasons the hair on the back of my neck sorta stands up whenever any “Spiritual Leader” tries to get me into an emotional lather. Just like when a sales type tries the same thing only oriented towads “free” vacations or bargain cars or other stuff. Because stoking up my emotions makes it a tad more difficult to use reason, and that’s not an accident, either.

    Charismacuckservatives

    Now you’re getting it. Stand by to be accused of namecalling…

  199. Anonymous Reader says:

    Question
    Anyone who knows her personally should have the decency to tell her to stay off social media and handle all of this privately.

    I still maintain that it’s her “friends”, her gossip circle — er — “prayer partners”, etc. who first started
    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2010/11/02/the-whispers/ in Nagamah’s virtual ears. So there’s no chance anyone will talk sense to her at this point, not that she’s likely to listen anyway.

    This incident points up just how feminized the American churches are.

    This is what happens when you have emotionally unstable people with access to social media who then use it like it’s a private diary.

    “This is what happens when you have women with access to social media”.

    FIFY.

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  201. The Question says:

    @Anonymous Reader

    “This is what happens when you have women with access to social media”.

    FIFY.

    Far be it for me to say NAWALT – which I won’t – but I do see Blue Pill men do this, too. Wouldn’t want to leave exclude anyone, would we? Inclusion and all that.

  202. joshtheaspie says:

    @Boston to Providence
    Nope. In fact, several more things I may well have done are off the list, as enrique continues his demands.

  203. Anonymous Reader says:

    Say, Rollo, since you like to go slumming over at Bites blog, can you tell us what she’s had to say in the last 24 hours about Saeed / Nagamah?

    My guess: nothing, nada, zilch. But I could be wrong…

  204. Scott says:

    You went a lot further into that world than I ever did, but for similar reasons the hair on the back of my neck sorta stands up whenever any “Spiritual Leader” tries to get me into an emotional lather. Just like when a sales type tries the same thing only oriented towads “free” vacations or bargain cars or other stuff. Because stoking up my emotions makes it a tad more difficult to use reason, and that’s not an accident, either.

    Years ago, a friend who trusted my judgement asked me to come observe a church his wife was dragging him to.

    He was not religious, but he was going because she wanted him to.

    It turned out to be a Vinyard church.

    Everyone holding their hands up to the air, preaching was weird. “Tongues” (mumbling to themselves).

    I looked around and asked myself “am I supposed to experiencing something? Because I am not feeling it.”

    It was really weird.

  205. Anonymous Reader says:

    Question
    Far be it for me to say NAWALT – which I won’t – but I do see Blue Pill men do this, too.

    Blue Pill men sometimes act like women, it’s true. So? Social media use / addiction appears to be strongly correlated with ag. Over 40’s use it like Pinterest, under 30’s use it…differently.

    Seriously, next time you are around women under 30, especially the college aged ones, just watch them. They pretty much live on their phones, and it’s not just Candy Crush, either. Facebook, Tumblr, Tinder (yes, Tinder) all providing emotional highs all danged day, and it doesn’t take much to find outbursts of various sorts.

  206. Stand by to be accused of namecalling

    I’m accusing myself of it. I had to close my office door (old school, we have offices) lest I receive a no confidence vote from my employees.

  207. Anonymous Reader says:

    I’m accusing myself of it.

    Cutting out the middleman? That’s efficient, and you can pass the savings on to yourself, too!

  208. The Question says:

    @Anonymous Reader

    “Seriously, next time you are around women under 30, especially the college aged ones, just watch them. They pretty much live on their phones, and it’s not just Candy Crush, either. Facebook, Tumblr, Tinder (yes, Tinder) all providing emotional highs all danged day, and it doesn’t take much to find outbursts of various sorts.”

    Oh, I could tell you stories (I’m just under 30). As a man who shall go unnamed once told me, “social media is for women what porn is for men.”

  209. If the theory is close to correct, and I believe it is, that she has been on this track to blow up the family for awhile, then she has confided in a few good sisters already, Two , max four, other women have known for awhile and they have not only been working out the narrative because we all know that for a small group of women charged with accountability…. crap cannot help but sharpen turd. Righteousness forged in the fires of relativism…..”yea, just put it in a fire that gets it warmish but be careful it doesn’t generate any dross”.

    If they need a new version of reality they will invent one. The other women gain because the true believers are also doing thought exercises for their own marriage demise.

    It will be the Christian women who keep her on the path of family destruction. Or, they will be de friended.

  210. feeriker says:

    “I love my Pastor. He has been there every step of the way”. Has this Pastor who she loves, I wonder, been helping her proceed to divorce/separation and/or helping himself to Mrs Abedini?

    That’s the VERY first thing that came to my mind, within milliseconds of reading those first four words.

    Nagmeh clearly isn’t very self-aware, nor obviously does she consider her words carefully before digitally jabbering on social media. Big surprise, that.

  211. Cutting out the middleman? That’s efficient, and you can pass the savings on to yourself, too!

    Benefits R akrewin

  212. Scott yes you should have been experiencing something. One other time when we went and I managed to stay under the radar in a seat near the rear, when I left the place and for the next couple of days the muscles along my spine had my back frozen in pain. I couldn’t move very much, Id been stressed through the whole 2.5 hour chaotic show out.

    It wasnt Benny Hinn, but he’d have been welcome

  213. Christian says:

    A lurking Mormon here. De-lurking to post this in regard to blood atonement. I’m sure Boxer has already read it, but perhaps the rest of you have not.

    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700041267/Mormon-church-statement-on-blood-atonement.html?pg=all

    Love the blog.

  214. Jim says:

    “feeriker says:
    January 28, 2016 at 12:31 pm ”

    The content of that link….what a bunch of losers. And look at one of the posts saying… (paraphrase) “Look what Dalrock and his followers say about women!” IOW, we won’t kiss her ass. “They’re not Christian”. No sweethearts. Most of you are not Christian. You’re a feminist. The FI almost always takes precedence over God, eh?

  215. Jim Clay says:

    Boxer,
    One, what Brigham Young said is not LDS doctrine. We do not believe in blood atonement. Second, even he said that blood atonement only applied to those who had committed unpardonable sins- denying the Holy Ghost and murder. Leaving the LDS church did not constitute an unpardonable sin. On the contrary, it is not unusual for people to change their mind and be re-baptized into the church after leaving it.

  216. Gunner Q says:

    Dota @ 12:31 pm:
    ” A good religion produces good results and Christianity has done that historically by encouraging ethical action.”

    Question, do you believe good and evil is ultimately defined by God or men? If the latter then you cannot find fault with what Nagmeh is doing to Saeed because her behavior is legal. If the former then my followup question is how do you plan to escape justice for the times you did wrong? “I’ll do more good than evil” doesn’t work even in traffic court.

  217. Dalrock says:

    @Coloradomtnman

    Here is another of her posts on FB – verbatim “Naghmeh Abedini Jason Dolly Cassar he was not broken in prison because he had access to phone and was watching sexual/porn and was skyping and calling instead of spending that time with the Lord. I have evidence of that if needed. He already told the congressman in Germany that he had access to phone. So he is not hiding it.”

    “he did pray for 20 hours a day for the first 6 months when he had no phone. People who visited him in prison said he was changing then. After the 6 months he got access to the phone. He was on the phone with me 6-8 hours a day and then watching Movies on my Amazon account and then sleeping. Definitely not praying for 20 hours a day for the last few years of his imprisonment.”

    As Cane noted above assuming this is true she comes off as petty, spiteful, and treacherous.

    Moreover, either she is greatly exaggerating here or she has been lying for years about his treatment. We are left to either believe the Naghmeh who tells us he had constant access to a smartphone after the first six months, or the Naghmeh who told us in October that her only contact at the time with Saeed was relayed from his parents when they visited him in person. I also recall reading a recent article around the time of his release quoting her as saying she hadn’t spoken to him since October. If someone finds that quote please point me to the article.

  218. Holy God PLEASE keep talking Nag-Me. Pretty please. If she ever has her deposition taken she will not be able to prevent perjury. He talked to her 6 hours a day and abused her over skype. He watched Porn on his phone (why does she care again?) and he sexually abused her from an Iranian prison. Ummm, OK.

    Please, please tell us more Nagamah. This is so interesting the world deserves to hear your story.

  219. The Original Laura says:

    “…a case filed Tuesday in court that shows Naghmeh Panahi vs. Saeed Abedini with Judge Jill Jurries for domestic relations. Legal experts say that could mean a couple of different things, from separation to support to divorce.”

    If Naghmeh has amassed a substantial amount of cash donations it could also be a method of maintaining control over the funds either permanently or for the length of a cooling-off period. Some of the men who were held prisoner by the Vietnamese for lengthy periods came home and went on wild spending sprees. After being locked up for up to seven years in intolerable conditions, they felt that life was very short and they wanted to live it up. IIRC, one of them bought a Rolls Royce as soon as he returned and blew threw all of the marital assets.

    Her husband may also have indicated at some point over the last few months that when released, he wants to move somewhere she doesn’t want to move, or follow a career path that doesn’t produce much income, etc. The concept of imputed income in the context of determining support payments could pressure him to attempt to return to whatever sort of work he was doing before being imprisoned, even if as the result of his imprisonment he is no longer capable of performing that work. The TROs will force him to choose between moving out of Idaho or seeing his children on a regular basis.

    No matter what Naghmeh is afraid of, if anything, she has publicly humiliated her husband when he was in no position to refute any of her statements. I’m not actually surprised that the marriage is falling apart after three and a half years of imprisonment & the emotional roller coaster that both parties have been on. Lots of marriages fall apart for little or no reason, and the Abedinis have been physically separated and under continual stress for an awfully long time. Also, Naghmeh has been the de facto head of the family for years now, and may not want to give that up. Historically, Navy families had to deal with the situation that six months of the year Dad made all the decisions, and six months of the year Dad was essentially incommunicado and Mom made all the decisions. Some couples handled the transitions well, but some did not. Even if Naghmeh were totally loyal to her husband and hadn’t accused him of being abusive their marriage would almost certainly have hit a very rough patch after the honeymoon period of family reunification had ended.

    I hope that their marriage can be restored, but Naghmeh has burned a lot of bridges. Only Christ can bring restoration.

  220. Dota says:

    GunnerQ

    Question, do you believe good and evil is ultimately defined by God or men? If the latter then you cannot find fault with what Nagmeh is doing to Saeed because her behavior is legal. If the former then my followup question is how do you plan to escape justice for the times you did wrong?

    Interesting question. I do ultimately believe that good is defined by God and while I remain non religious, I still retain my belief in the Abrahamic God. This isn’t an abstract ontological belief, but a literal one. I personally don’t think God cares much about rituals and doctrinal purity either. You also make an interesting point about the divergence between legality and ethics. Our moral beliefs are ultimately tied to our factual beliefs. If a society believes in Jesus then they are likely to follow his ethical example as well. I know it looks like I’m contradicting my earlier comments but I’m not. That society has moved away from Christ and substituted legalism for ethics demonstrates just how weak Christianity has become. What Naghmeh did was utterly immoral and I believe that divine justice will be meted out, but that is just a personal belief and I cannot prove it. At any rate, the emphasis on legal instead of moral is a sign that the State is God and that we already live in a communist society. It is not Islam’s job to save Western civilization, that is Christianity’s responsibility since the latter is part of the West’s heritage. However, it has failed to stop feminism and Marxism, and so here we are.

  221. A Visitor says:

    “In this case we had a persecuted pastor being accused of abusing his wife from his Iranian prison cell, and the best response he received was silence as his wife publicly erased him from the picture.”

    What a ****! How can anyone take what she says seriously? He was in an Iranian prison for years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Anyone that takes her claims at face value needs to do some serious critical thinking.

  222. Liz says:

    Rollo: “Be sure you c&p this on IB’s blog. I’ll be waiting.”

    I posted a retraction.
    I must admit this isn’t easy for me (not admitting I was wrong, I don’t care about that, it’s the realization that Naghmeh has betrayed her husband this egregiously).
    I felt a bit of kinship with her because many people near me (and my family too, fwiw) have been on the wronged side of a false media report. Plus, my husband is away a lot and I understand how this sort of report (if false, in this case apparently it isn’t) might harm him and our family if we were in a similar situation.
    The first real evidence that started to weigh on me and indicate I could be wrong was the fact she didn’t meet him in Germany immediately. That’s what I would have done. But I still gave her the benefit of the doubt, because I didn’t have any other factual details and she might not have been permitted to meet him there. Now there is no denying it.
    Anyway, thought you were entitled to my admission that I was wrong, Dalrock!
    So I “darkened your door” again, though I’d stormed off and told you I wouldn’t.😉
    That is all.

  223. Boxer says:

    One, what Brigham Young said is not LDS doctrine.

    Brigham Young began his lecture with the words: “Thus Saith THE LORD”. He was speaking as prophet, seer and revelator, the mouthpiece of the Mormon god himself.

    We do not believe in blood atonement. Second, even he said that blood atonement only applied to those who had committed unpardonable sins- denying the Holy Ghost and murder. Leaving the LDS church did not constitute an unpardonable sin. On the contrary, it is not unusual for people to change their mind and be re-baptized into the church after leaving it.

    Most discussion of blood atonement during the Mormon Reformation concerned the killing of “covenant breakers.” The greatest covenant breakers were thought to be “apostates,” who according to early Mormon doctrine would become sons of perdition and for whom “there is no chance whatever for exaltation.” (Young 1857, p. 220)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_atonement#Blood_atonement_for_apostasy

    I never framed you for a liar, brother.

    Boxer

  224. ray says:

    Boxer — “He was imprisoned for being an active Christian missionary, and running evangelical bible studies in a school he was volunteering at. Not to defend Iran, but this is a law which is universally enforced”

    I think that’s stretching it. However, I was much surprised to learn that Saeed even was allowed to correspond outside Iranian boundaries. Also I was surprised at the relative moderation concerning his physical treatment. It was no picnic, but what he experienced was far less than Standard Methodology in the prisons of that prince.

    P.S. Judge Jill Jurries. Yep that’s your God, o America. She’s the Judge and the Jury both, over U.S. males! Of course a public defender will be retained in your defense, as soon as we wake him, clean up his drunk-vomit, and send him over to spend five minutes ‘planning’ your defense against Judge Jill Jurries and Nation Nag Me. Good luck and be sure to sit up straight in your chains so that Judge Jilly gets a nice long drooly look at you. Ah, Equality!

    The JJJ that runs the country turned out to be far more vicious — and totalitarian — than the KKK. And there are a LOT more JJJs. And the KKKs, even at the height of their power, were never considered The Law. Like Judge Jilly.

  225. @Liz, I think your unease is due less to identifying with this woman and more about accepting that what Dalrock and many others were proposing was in fact predictable and true.

    And IB’s cognitive dissonance is exactly what I’ve always said it was. Keep that in mind next time you get yourself wrapped up in it.

  226. malloymalloy says:

    Don’t know if has been mentioned yet – there are a lot of comments here – but the Court Order and Temporary Restraining Orders are available online:
    http://www.kivitv.com/news/saeed-abedini-returns-wife-files-domestic-relations-case

    A brief summary of the court documents:

    The Court Order requires Saeed to attend a “Focus on the Children Class” held at the Ada County Courthouse on February 24, 2016. Class takes approximately 2.5 hours.

    The TROs focus on the children (such as not changing schools, insurance, etc.) and also address the family’s finances and joint property.

    It’s not a filing for divorce, but it’s planning for divorce.

  227. ray says:

    Enrique — “The United States is an open air jail for men. It’s just a matter of whim whether or not you’re arrested. You are always incarcerated in a manner of speaking. ”

    Yep. Offend the wrong group, they’ll put you in the basement of one of their county courthouses, in a box about the size of a broom closet. No doors or windows. That’s what you’ll get for standing up to any female in America that defrauds, attacks, or cheats you. Just expressing your displeasure with her beatdown indeed is sufficient for your incarceration. After which, you’ll be paraded happily before some fatassed skank fishwife in a Size XXX black robe, with some fatassed skank clerk sitting next to her. Judge Jilly Jive will then decide your future, grinning in her empowerment over the lives of her betters.

  228. Anchorman says:

    The reason why many of us spotted exactly what was happening is not, as insanity suggests, because our hearts are darkened by gossip.

    It’s because it happened to me and others. Details change, but the strategy is remarkably similar.

    Here’s a handy-dandy guide to noting when the father is about to be evicted from his children’s lives:

    * Physical contact significantly reduces or stops altogether
    * The youngest child is about age four or older
    * Wife starts reading books or refers to discussions about “following her true heart”
    * Whispers of “abuse” to those in a close circle gradually “leak”
    * The circle closes ranks and Father is convicted in the public eye

    The whispers of “abuse” preceding all formal actions are needed because this cuts short the father’s/husband’s defense, because the circle will testify to the frightened nature of the mother and creates selective observations that are otherwise innocuous and part of normal relationships.

    As I suggested before (and others), she very likely caught wind of his upcoming release and planted the seeds. Once released, she was magically prepared with legal actions and he’s three months behind in legal advice and woefully unprepared for the danger he faces immediately following his eviction. He will be angry and may act out – which is a normal reaction to false abuse allegations, but also “proves” his anger and abuse.

    Neat trick.

  229. Elisabeth says:

    Wait a minute… who here actually knows if she really was abused or not? Were you there, behind closed doors? Do you live in their house? So much vitriol, and none of you have a clue if this is true or not. Men in the church really have abused their wives and children, you know. It’s not so far-fetched. And many women don’t have the courage to do anything about it because of people like you who label them liars and whores, and push them into staying in the situation etc. What if she really WAS being abused? Why do you all automatically assume that the wife is a liar and adulteress? Has anyone considered that perhaps the fact that her husband was jailed gave her the time and courage to begin to process what had been happening to her and her children and to get away from him and the abuse? Have you considered that his being jailed gave her the opportunity to break free?

    Have any of you wondered why she fought so hard for his freedom if she’s such an awful person? I know people who personally KNOW her and go to church with her. I think you’re all very wrong in your assumptions. I also think, as some of you profess to be Christians, that you’re not acting that way at all, and the ones who should be ashamed are YOU people.

  230. Gunner Q says:

    Dota @ 3:51 pm:
    “What Naghmeh did was utterly immoral and I believe that divine justice will be meted out, but that is just a personal belief and I cannot prove it.”

    Let’s not worry about proving anything. We agree Nagmeh’s behavior was utterly immoral and divine justice will be meted out.

    Suppose now that Nagmeh wanted to stop? Wanted to apologize to Saeed, drop all charges and go back to being his wife? Whatever Saeed might choose, she wronged God and God is going to punish her, just like a robber can’t go free merely by returning the money. Neither does Nagmeh have any goods or services to offer the Almighty in reparation. She’s guilty and she’s bankrupt… she’s Damned no matter how much good she might do in the future. She cannot reclaim her innocence.

    God’s solution was to punish Christ in her place. That’s Christianity. It’s not about making the world a better place. it’s not about funny rituals in pretty buildings. It’s the chance to stop being a doomed criminal before God.

    Will Nagmeh take advantage of Christ’s opportunity? I doubt it. How about you? How do you plan to escape God’s punishment of you? I don’t need to hear the answer but you should have one.

  231. Coloradomtnman says:

    @Liz – some apology there!

    “Plus, my husband is away a lot and I understand how this sort of report (if false, in this case apparently it isn’t) might harm him and our family if we were in a similar situation.”

    Please expound on this. J’Accuse style Saeed is guilty because she says he is. ‘Splain to me exactly how Saeed was watching porn from Evin. Was he connected to the SSID ‘Evin Entertainment’ over WIFI and streaming Amazon Prime as she says? Was he truly talking to her 6-8 hours per day as she says? Was he talking in his cell with his handy dandy all-day charge iPhone 6s at his side while connected to the ATT or Verizon cellular network? Was he using Skype over an unencrypted WIFI link between Teheran and Boise?

    Riddle me these simple questions and then juxtapose that against the highly inconvenient statements that are all in the public domain that she made in the three years prior to November 2015. ‘He is in a horrible physical condition and needs immediate medical attention.’ Does that ring a bell for you? That or the other two dozen damning statements that she made. By the way, which is it – was she lying then or is she lying now? If she was lying then, but she is telling the truth now, how can you be so sure?

    This whole treacherous thing stinks to high heaven as does your ‘if false tinged apology.’

  232. Spike says:

    Wasn’t the narrative about Pastor Saeed’s treatment at the hands of a brutal anti- Christian (that’s anti- Jesus, for the churchians) regime, and his endurance for the faith?
    Naghmeh’s running of this abuse narrative has destroyed any positive witness Saeed’s could have. She has successfully made it all about her.
    I previously likened the Saeed-Naghmeh reunion to that of my godfather and his hideous ex-prostitute wife, who swore “she loved him all the time”, when he won the lottery.
    At this point, I’d prefer my godfathers wife to Naghmeh. At least she didn’t pretend to be a follower of Christ.

  233. Liz says:

    I’m not apologizing for disagreeing, I’m admitting I was wrong.
    I don’t agree with forming conclusions based on partial evidence. That isn’t going to change. I didn’t question anyone’s character here or throw insults (I was not granted the same courtesy).
    Did she say he was still abusing her from Iran?
    Only media reports indicated that, she didn’t say that (until recently, and now my opinion has changed). I’m not going to get into this again.
    Rollo, to answer you of course I don’t want to believe this behavior, which is horrifying, is “predictable and true”.

  234. Liz says:

    Just to add, need to push away from the internet.
    Commence mockery, “stinking Liz” and so forth, really it’s not worth my getting worked up over. Naghmeh is not the person I thought she was. This behavior is inexcusable.
    There’s really nothing else to say.

  235. Looking Glass says:

    @Spike:

    The fascinating thing about understanding Moderns is that you have slightly more respect for Whores. There’s one thing they are, by definition: honest about what they’re after. That’s more honesty than most Women can conjure up in our society.

    @Liz:

    The predictive power of Insight. That’s what scares most people about this part of the Internet. Not that we might be right “sometimes”, but that it’s extremely accurate & predictive of outcomes. In other contexts, we’d call that Science. That’s what scares most Women off. That we can predict their actions with high precision. Snowflake, you ain’t Special.

  236. Scott says:

    * Physical contact significantly reduces or stops altogether
    * The youngest child is about age four or older
    * Wife starts reading books or refers to discussions about “following her true heart”
    * Whispers of “abuse” to those in a close circle gradually “leak”
    * The circle closes ranks and Father is convicted in the public eye

    One of the things those of us who maintain social media pages also get to see is a qualitative change to the posts.

    I can’t quite put my finger on it. But so far, I am batting 1000 on using FB posts from our married women friends to predict cheating-> divorce.

  237. Anonymous Reader says:

    Liz
    Rollo, to answer you of course I don’t want to believe this behavior, which is horrifying, is “predictable and true”.

    “Is” and “ought” are not the same thing, Liz. You are fortunate in that you can walk away from this particular form of cognitive dissonance. Men have to live with behavior by women that is both horrifying and “predictable and true” all the time while everyone around them pretends “it just happened” and it’s totally a mystery wrapped in a riddle wrapped in an enigma. This goes on all the time, Liz, even though you haven’t noticed it before, apparently.

    All. The. Time. Because AWALT, pretty much. Some more than others. But AWALT nevertheless.

    Do you see, yet, where a lot of androsphere anger comes from? Do you see? Did you read the comments by the man in Colorado who went through pretty much the exact scenario Nagmah is playing out?

  238. Dota says:

    GunnerQ

    That’s Christianity. It’s not about making the world a better place.

    Perhaps that’s how you see it as a Christian, but as an outsider I have a different perspective. As an outsider, I see a religion that has had a positive impact on Western culture. It’s true that many of the West’s finest characteristics pre-date Christianity and go back to the ancient Greeks, however, Christianity did help bring these characteristics to the surface and ensure their diffusion across Europe. The belief in Christ’s cosmological role requires me to make a leap of faith which is beyond me. For me, (traditional) Christianity commands my admiration because it has produced good effects. I can’t confirm or deny the cosmological significance of Christ’s actions, but I can readily observe a moral and functioning society when I see one. I am a rational man that believes in empiricism.

    As for everything you’ve written above that, I have no comments. All that is between God and Naghmeh.

    How about you? How do you plan to escape God’s punishment of you? I don’t need to hear the answer but you should have one.

    I do. For me the answer lies in good works. Faith alone will not sustain a homeless man, but an act of charity will. A homeless man will accept your kindness without caring much about the validity of your doctrine. I suspect that God doesn’t care much either, he will acknowledge and reward your virtue just the same. Whether my belief is true or false is impossible for me to determine since I can’t read God’s mind.

  239. tonk says:

    “Deep Thought says:
    As a Muslim, I am glad they are both apostates. What an ugly embarrassing family. Disgusting does not describe them.”

    It could always be worse. They could be murdering people by flying airliners into skyscrapers, suicide bombings, community center shootings, and committing mass rapes.

  240. Coloradomtnman says:

    @ Liz I love it, in typical SJW fashion you ignore reasonable questions and instead feign indignation and ask questions back. Splat, that was the impact of the points hitting home.

    @Anonymous Reader You are right, seen this show before and lived to tell the tale. A black flag over all of them; no quarter.

  241. Kevin says:

    @Boxer

    I don’t trust Wikipedia for anything controversial. A highly contentious religious groups doctrine? You must be joking.

    I am sad for this poor pastor. What a mess his life is being made.

  242. Boxer says:

    Hi Kevin:

    I don’t trust Wikipedia for anything controversial. A highly contentious religious groups doctrine? You must be joking.

    The quote itself is from a collection of revelations we know as the Journal of Discourses. Here’s a direct link.

    http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/JournalOfDiscourses3/id/544

    This is Mormon Doctrine. At present, while we don’t have our own state, we’re taught to quietly keep these commandments where we can, and deny them to outsiders (as my brother has done on this blog). Even so, most Mormons are tacitly glad that we don’t live in Deseret, despite the oaths we take in the temple to rebuild it, and most of us like living in secular USA (Canada/Mexico/wherever) because even we know these teachings are totally looney.

    The wikipedia quote was to emphasize to my brother in the self-appointed chosen tribe that his lies can be refuted pretty easily, with one google search. Whether you believe me is not my concern.

    I hope this is helpful.

    Boxer

  243. bob k. mando says:

    Dota says: January 28, 2016 at 11:16 am
    I’m going to have to respectfully disagree. All religions sound great on paper, but ultimately religion is what the adherents do. …The same applies to Christianity. Christianity strikes me as a weak and effete religion because that is how Christians behave.

    can’t argue that we should be known by how our adherents behave. the tree shall be known by it’s fruit and all that.

    but to be fair, St John predicted this. most of Revelations is certainly prophecy and most view chapt 2/3 as both epistles to contemporaneous churches in Asia Minor ( today known as Turkey ) as well as characterizations of the seven ages of the future church. this is generally understood to be the last age, the church of Laodicea :
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+3%3A14-17&version=KJV
    14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
    15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
    16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
    17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

    we are the emperor clothed in the finest ( imaginary ) raiment.

    there are undoubtedly many of true faith, especially in those countries where they are being tried and tested. the fire burns the dross.

    but one need only look at Europe’s apostasy; that alone would fulfill the prophecy. America is no better, only fatter.

    Dota says: January 28, 2016 at 11:16 am
    They have surrendered their institutions, families, and even children to the forces of feminism and cultural Marxist rot.

    concur, because we allowed the Marxists to control the colleges, then the teachers, now the primary schools.

    now, all of our public school children and most of the private school ones receive a full indoctrination in Marxism and atheism by the end of the 12th grade. we allow them to corrupt our children.

    the perfect example of this is Sweden’s fascination with importing Africans and Middle Easterners. why? when did ANY of the Nordic nations ‘oppress’ Africa or the ME? what on earth are they atoning for? what social sin could they have possibly committed? and yet, they are even more desperate than Merkel to import their rapists and murderers.

    we have been stupid and foolish and created our own destruction.

    otoh, this tends to be the way of empires. they get fat, dumb and sloppy and stop doing all of the things that are necessary to maintain and build civilization. it even happened to the Ottomans.

    the only saving option is the Ninevah option, repentance. but hardly any even recognize the need for it. they’ve got their EBT card, after all.

  244. Liz says:

    Good grief.
    “I love it, in typical SJW fashion you ignore reasonable questions and instead feign indignation and ask questions back. “
    I didn’t ignore your questions, I answered them. Here:

    “Please expound on this. J’Accuse style Saeed is guilty because she says he is.”

    I don’t know what you are talking about. I haven’t accused Saeed. As far as I was concerned (up until very recently) the only information that indicated she was accusing him was relayed out of context by the media. I dismiss out of context, second hand media information. In my experiece it can’t be trusted.

    ‘Splain to me exactly how Saeed was watching porn from Evin.
    I don’t think he was. See my response above (the first one, I answered this. Also answered in the paragraph I just wrote above)

    “Riddle me these simple questions

    Done. (again)

    ” and then juxtapose that against the highly inconvenient statements that are all in the public domain that she made in the three years prior to November 2015. ‘He is in a horrible physical condition and needs immediate medical attention.’ Does that ring a bell for you?

    Yes. That is WHY I suspected the media was making out of context, erroneus claims about statements she had ostensibly made. It didn’t add up. NONE of it added up.

  245. Dota says:

    Bob Mando

    otoh, this tends to be the way of empires. they get fat, dumb and sloppy and stop doing all of the things that are necessary to maintain and build civilization. it even happened to the Ottomans.

    Here’s why I disagree with this comparison. The Ottomans faced political disintegration and eventually lost their empire. Happens all the time. The West faces complete cultural obliteration. The former doesn’t necessarily lead to the latter as Islam still endures in Turkey. The survival of Christianity in the West seems suspect otoh. What we are seeing here is unprecedented in history; we’re witnessing a carefully coordinated assault on Western institutions, culture and values by a tiny hostile middle eastern tribe and their gentile lackeys.

  246. Coloradomtnman says:

    @Liz Thanks!

    Her Facebook page is public domain, you should check it out.

  247. Minesweeper says:

    @Coloradomtnman says:
    “Here is another of her posts on FB – verbatim “Naghmeh Abedini Jason Dolly Cassar he was not broken in prison because he had access to phone and was watching sexual/porn and was skyping and calling instead of spending that time with the Lord. I have evidence of that if needed. He already told the congressman in Germany that he had access to phone. So he is not hiding it.”

    She WANTED him broken, her disappointment that he wasnt he clear. Wonder if she pushed him to go over there knowing what would occur. The plot thickens.

    What “wife” wants her husband broken ? Imagine a husband wanting his wife broken ?

  248. Minesweeper says:

    *She WANTED him broken, her disappointment that he wasn’t is clear.

  249. Minesweeper says:

    Do women actually view the laws\judiciary and jails as something that exists for their own purpose ? To accomplish what they so desire in others.

    Woaow if so. Explains an awful lot of what happens during the standard divorce process.

    Men have no idea.

  250. Pedat Ebediyah says:

    @Minesweeper

    When I think about how this filthy trifling ass woman is behaving I think of Proverbs 11 (the entire chapter) but this one verse, in particular:

    22:  As a ring of gold in a swine’s snout so is a beautiful woman who lacks discretion

    Even if Saeed is guilty of even an iota of a transgression, this tramp is guilty of tenfold.

    Saeed certainly isn’t from the hood, but any homeboy or homegirl I know would put their foot in this woman’s ass for putting the bizness out in the street like this.  Looking like a damn hooker with all that dark eyeliner on!

  251. Dave says:

    @lIZ:

    I gave her the benefit of the doubt based on what I knew of her history, and what I know of the media. I would do it again because I do not believe on basing any conclusions (particularly very disparaging ones) on partial information or speculation. Now there is enough information, so I concede Dalrock is right.

    If you are this restrained when it comes to men being accused, I would very much respect your position. But if you only give women the benefit of the doubt, then it’s too bad.
    I was once having a chat with a female friend. We were talking about President Obama and his tete-a-tete with I think the president of Denmark during one of his trips to South Africa. It must have been during Mandela’s state burial ceremonies. Michelle Obama was noticeably uncomfortable with the presidential chtchat, so she moved to sit herself between them at the earliest opportunity she got.

    I commented that Michelle was too controlling and probably insecure to think that her husband had any ulterior motives; that if Obama was to commit adultery he would not have been so blatant to flirt with another president on camera.
    The lady friend of mine responded that it would be unfair to judge Michelle by a single event—something which I agreed with. She then went further to say that the president may not be all that innocent “because some men could be blatant when it comes to having affairs”.
    So I took this woman to task immediately. Did she mean that we should excuse Michelle because it was a singular act, but crucify Barack in spite of the same reason?

    So, again, if you are this considerate when men are accused, particularly by women, then it is alright. But if you are batting for your fellow sisters, then that is unacceptable.

  252. Dave says:

    What we are seeing here is unprecedented in history; we’re witnessing a carefully coordinated assault on Western institutions, culture and values by a tiny hostile middle eastern tribe and their gentile lackeys.

    Remind me again what the Western folks are doing about this other than talking endlessly about it?

  253. Pedat Ebediyah says:

    Hey Dave,

    Nearly all of my friends are married couples. Some younger, a few older.  All so-called Christians.

    My policy is to be friend and support to both husband and wife, regardless of which one came first.  However, I do try to drop RP gems to the husbands when I can, on the down low.

    I call them ‘my couples’.

    One of my younger couples were having a crisis recently, and I happened to be sitting at the dinner table talking to both of them. During the conversation, I learned that the wife (who came into my life first) had being going upside his head. (For various “reasons”).  In fact, unbeknownst to me, it came out that she had been doing this from the giddy up, even while they were dating.  I knew they were off/on for a while before they eventually got married, but I thought it was because she wasn’t ready to get off the carousel yet and that he wasn’t stepping up his game.  (This was pre-RP for me, of course).

    She admitted that this was the case while he sat there blankly. Needless to say, I tore into her ass, and told her to her face – in his presence – that if I were him I’d have called the cops and pressed charges against her long ago and that if I hear of any more of this shit, I’m done with the both of them.

    Later I gave him the skinny, privately – and in no uncertain terms – that he should have long ago kicked her ass to the curb (before the babies came, whether she was my friend first or not), and this was of his own doing.  I asked him what he was going to do about it. His answer was unacceptable, and I told him that I’d no longer wished to be involved in their affairs.

    Now Dave, to my point…because it relates to these exchanges with Liz…

    I casually mentioned this situation (discretely) to the two women (the ones I mentioned who were “vetting” me for husbandry) as a test to see where they stood.

    Both of them said that there was something he was doing that was making the wife go ham sandwich and that she was trying to get his attention.

    You do know that each of them – individually -got cussed out and I no longer associate with either of them – right?  Right.

    AWALT.  Women have zero empathy for men. Period.

    Liz, that means you too.  You went kicking and screaming to give any fucks about Saeed, and you know it.

    When Paul wrote: “wives see to it, that you respect your husbands…” notice he wrote “see to it”; because he knows that if you could get away with going ham sandwich on your man, you’d be doing it all day long, and have a passel of varmints (ratchet herds of women, and simping white knights) co-signing your vainglorious fuckery.

    A.W.A.L.T.  PERIODTUH!

  254. Liz says:

    “Both of them said that there was something he was doing that was making the wife go ham sandwich and that she was trying to get his attention.
    *snip*
    Liz, that means you too. You went kicking and screaming to give any fucks about Saeed, and you know it.”

    Yes, of course.
    Because I’ve mentioned repeatedly that Saeed must’ve done something wrong.
    And the minute I heard about a domestic court order (and then a statement she finally made to the public which is clear) I immediately attempted to excuse her behavior.

  255. Liz says:

    “So, again, if you are this considerate when men are accused, particularly by women, then it is alright. But if you are batting for your fellow sisters, then that is unacceptable.”

    Thank you Dave, I agree.
    I hope it’s clear by using terms like “egregious” and “horrifying” to describe Naghmeh’s behavior (now that actual statements she has made, like the above Facebook one, and the domestic case filed with court, a concrete item), I am on “team woman” no longer in her case.

    I have had enough years of experience observing the reality i know and contrasting it with the media spin reported to know that the story and reality seldom align. And yes, usually it’s a case against men. Examples: General Franklin, Lt Colonel Wilkerson, Lt. Gen. Susan J. Helms (she overturned a sexual assault conviction, so she was on “team man” and her reputation publicly crushed), Lt. Col. Krusinski, the USAF Academy, and the entire USAF in general, and many more have been my points of reference in particular (though not the only ones…not by a longshot).

    There’s always an agenda. In this case, the agenda was pretty clear (against Saeed) but I reserved judgement on Naghmeh because there were no clear statements from her. Now i know the reason, after reading her recently released statement. She sounds like a lunatic.

  256. greyghost says:

    AWALT. Women have zero empathy for men. Period.

    This is how women are. vetting for one that does is foolish and on par with unicorn hunting. The best you can hope for is a woman that finds being seen as empathetic is important. That is as good as it gets.

  257. Dalrock says:

    @Greyghost

    AWALT. Women have zero empathy for men. Period.

    This is how women are. vetting for one that does is foolish and on par with unicorn hunting. The best you can hope for is a woman that finds being seen as empathetic is important. That is as good as it gets.

    This isn’t true. I agree that empathy is harder for women. But it is not impossible especially if they work at it. The bigger issue is the blind spot they have in this regard.

  258. greyghost says:

    Dalrock interesting reply

    I agree that empathy is harder for women. But it is not impossible especially if they work at it.

    Less than 2 weeks ago my younger daughter was having issues with my son. Mom was upset and yelling at her about insulting and being rude to her brother. Rather than add to the “punishment” I quietly spoke to her and almost said exactly the same thing word for word. A actually said to her she was a female and empathy doesn’t come naturally but it will be something you have to consciously think about. I added people with empathy are always respected and treated well.
    very interesting. I must be on the right track because I seem to be the only one that doesn’t have problems with her.
    Your church is a fun church to participate in Dalrock

  259. Pedat Ebediyah says:

    Fair enough Dalrock.

    They have to muster up this natural affection for their fellow “man”.

  260. bob k. mando says:

    Dota says: January 29, 2016 at 7:34 am
    What we are seeing here is unprecedented in history; we’re witnessing a carefully coordinated assault on Western institutions, culture and values by a tiny hostile middle eastern tribe and their gentile lackeys.

    you have the causal and power relationships backwards.

    Marx published his Communist Manifesto in 1850 and the Communists / Socialists have been at work ever since. Muslim immigration was a complete non-issue until the ~1990s.

    Islam is the lackey of these entrenched Marxists. without the Marxist ideologues in power throughout the West, no significant muslim immivasion would even be possible.

    you need to ask yourself what purpose the Marxists hope to achieve with the destruction of Western “bourgeois” ( as they would have it ) society and morality. and do you REALLY think that they have no plans for Islam? the architects of the Holodomor, the Cultural Revolution, the Cheka and the Killing Fields?

    you think they have no plans for Islam once it has served their purpose and eaten out the heart of Europe? these are people who have murdered their hundreds of millions and who hunger to murder by the billions.

  261. Anonymous Reader says:

    Liz, it’s pretty big of you to admit any error at all. So as I said before, congrats. And?

    Now we have a little bit of “and”. Here’s something for you to consider:

    I have had enough years of experience observing the reality i know and contrasting it with the media spin

    Nobody here that I could see was in disagreement with you on reality vs. media. The problem that you had, and may still have, is in assuming that your experience is a universal.

    When men who have seen this behavior pattern before, some multiple times, called to your attention what surely was happening, you flat out denied that could be true. So in the process of your denial, you just happened to deny any reality of any man’s personal experience.

    I used to think that was the sole provenance of feminists, but now I realize it’s just female nature.
    You’ve gotten a little lesson in what reality is like for the other half of humanity; the half that can look at Nagmah and be all but certain “She’s going to divorce him” because they have seen the pattern of behavior before.

    Suggestion: don’t go out of your way to casually dismiss men’s hard-won experience. It’s not a good look.

    Dalrock
    This isn’t true. I agree that empathy is harder for women. But it is not impossible especially if they work at it. The bigger issue is the blind spot they have in this regard.

    “Not impossible” is a true statement if 1 woman out of 1,000,000 can muster empathy for man. Or one woman out of 3 billion. Off hand I can’t think of any woman I know that really has the ability to empathize with a man for more than a few seconds at best. That’s women online and offline, btw.

    So while literally true, I call “BZZZT” on that statement, because women who are both willing and able to work on empathy would appear to be rare. Maybe as precious as rubies?

  262. Jim says:

    “I used to think that was the sole provenance of feminists, but now I realize it’s just female nature.”

    I know what you mean. Over time I came to realize that there are lot of things I used to attribute to feminism which are actually just female nature. Feminism is just their Schutzstaffel storm troopers (made up of lesbians, bitter or dumb bitches and emasculated males), commanded by their Feminist Fuhrer, to enforce their will at gunpoint.

  263. Liz says:

    AR: “When men who have seen this behavior pattern before, some multiple times, called to your attention what surely was happening, you flat out denied that could be true. So in the process of your denial, you just happened to deny any reality of any man’s personal experience.”

    The above statement is false. I never “flat out denied that it could be true” or anything close.
    I suggested we give her the benefit of the doubt. I suggested that we would all know the truth in time anyway so why rush to judgement.

  264. Liz says:

    One post from the past (there were many many others where I basically repeated myself here):
    “Let’s look at the facts. For three years this woman has rallied around her husband and supported him massively. She has written letters/done public speaking engagements/lobbied/ ect.
    She sent two e mails. We don’t know to whom. Now she has expressed public regret and retreated. She isn’t acting like a woman who is attempting to purposely betray her husband and drum up “abuse sympathy”, she is acting like a woman who feels disgraced after some private information she thought was made in confidence was released.
    The above could be wrong. She might want to humilite and betray him. She might have, after three years of support, suddenly decided she wants to generate sympathy for herself as an “abused” spouse. But that’s not what the limited information here would indicate to me.

  265. David J. says:

    UPDATE: Saeed’s first public statement, including that “much of what I have read in Naghmeh’s posts and subsequent media reports” is untrue.

    http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/community/boise/article57514008.html#storylink=cpy

  266. Liz says:

    Thank you for the link David J.
    I don’t know much about Saeed but I am REALLY impressed with this man.
    He is handling this incredibly well. And I believe him.

  267. Anonymous Reader says:

    The above could be wrong. She might want to humilite and betray him. She might have, after three years of support, suddenly decided she wants to generate sympathy for herself as an “abused” spouse. But that’s not what the limited information here would indicate to me.“

    Right, that’s what the information about another woman would indicate to you.

    But Liz, the limited information available at that time just happened to match the pattern that far too many men have seen, and you rejected that. In essence, you expended multiple comments trying to convince men “Hey, ignore your lying eyes and just pay attention what I, Woman, have to say about this!”.

    I’ll be the first to admit that women often catch subtleties, subcommunications, in social situations that men miss. I’m sure you’ll agree with that.

    BUT: men can see patterns of behavior that you might miss, especially those men who have been through the blast furnace of the divorce industry. It’s not like every frivorce is a unique event, you know, there are patterns of behavior on the part of Mrs. “till-death-do-us-part” that are known, rather well known as a matter of fact. I suspect part of your hindbrain is triggered by the notion that, yeah, you sex really isn’t all that mysterious, and can be quite predictable. It’s a bit condescending on your part to assume that all teh menz are just out to lunch while you have all the insight, courtesy of being an Air Force wife. See, even being an Air Force wife doesn’t qualify you as a man.

    You biffed it. You ignored obvious signs. Again, congrats on admitting you were wrong, very few women will do that. Plenty of men won’t do that, either, including some of the Holier Than Thou types.

    Hopefully Saeed is lawyered up. He’s going to need it; between the conservative church feminists and their White Knight sockpuppets, Team Woman is out to hammer him hard. Because nothing threatens the Female Imperative like a man who refuses to accept his designated role punching-bag-of-the-month.

  268. Minesweeper says:

    @Anonymous Reader, “I’ll be the first to admit that women often catch subtleties, subcommunications, in social situations that men miss.”

    it seems to be that women know other women will never tell the truth honestly/verbally so they have work it out using other cues, this is until it comes to them declaring men are being nasty to them.

    THEN ALL PSY-OPS COMMS ARE FULLY VALID AND TO BE DISSEMINATED AND ACTED UPON BY ALL IN FULL RETALIATION.

    I guess they reckon its the only time women actually tell the truth, when its often nothing but.

  269. Minesweeper says:

    “Team Woman is out to hammer him hard. ”

    Absolutely, im absolutely AMAZED but the maginas with a fully paid up Team Woman membership card. AMAZED how easily men will turn on their downtrodden brothers.

    The maginas seem even more shameless than the women in their condemnation of an inocent man.

  270. jsr says:

    Franklin Graham is not the complete pushover for feminism that some have suspected. He’s quoted as saying the following…

    “There’s an old saying that there are at least two sides to every story. I can tell one thing for sure — not everything that has been reported in the media is true.”

  271. Isa says:

    “Three months ago Saeed told me things he demanded I must do to promote him in the eyes of the public that I simply could not do any longer. He threatened that if I did not the results would be the end of our marriage and the resulting pain this would bring to our children.”
    Is there any info as to what he demanded she do? Odd thing to say anyways.

    I do think it would be best to give the woman as little exposure and media attention as possible. Whipping up the hordes of SJW over the internet because people are “doubting her story” and “Excusing domestic violence” will only cause further harm for the Pastor and his family, but especially the children. No child should ever read extensive discussions about the violent abuse by their father.

  272. David J. says:

    UPDATE: Saeed said the following about the marriage on his Facebook yesterday, at the end of a post thanking supporters for their prayers and rallies: “I am grateful for marriage counselors who have been helping me but my wife’s relationship with me is not good at this point, so we need prayer that she joins this counseling process with us.”

  273. Dave says:

    Anyone wanna bet that Nagmeh was disappointed Saeed came home that soon, or at all?
    His unexpected release obviously ruined things for her. She had it all planned out.
    1. Destroy his reputation in the mind of the people
    2. Erase the poor guy from their memory
    3. Look for a spiritual cover through a 3-week fast
    4. Replace him with a “better” man.
    Alas, things didn’t go as planned. Saeed ruined the whole plan by showing up earlier than expected. Or at all.

  274. No child should ever read extensive discussions about the violent abuse by their father.

    Except there was no violent abuse, even by Nag Me’s deluded accounts. So… what are you smoking, the truth must out?!

  275. Liz says:

    “Anyone wanna bet that Nagmeh was disappointed Saeed came home that soon, or at all?”

    The evidence does seem to indicate his release took her by surprise, and that it was an unpleasant one (for example, the quick scrambling for a court order).
    Again, I’m pretty sure at this point I know why the media story wasn’t very forecoming about her exact statements and instead paraphrased without any direct quotes. I suspect her exact statements (and this has since been the case) would make her come across as a lunatic.

  276. OKRickety says:

    @Liz,

    I am glad to see you voicing the perspective that Naghmeh’s claims are, at least, questionable. Thank you. I hope, if you aren’t already doing so, that you are also doing this in other “forums” where the voice of a woman might be heard better than a man’s voice. Perhaps readers would then allow the Holy Spirit to work in their hearts (women and men) and they would have the gift of discernment regarding abuse and divorce. I believe abuse does occur, but not at the rates that many believe. Most of all, I hate that claims of abuse are presumed true solely on the evidence of the claimant (one witness), rather than investigating and finding the truth.

  277. Dalrock says:

    @DavidJ

    UPDATE: Saeed said the following about the marriage on his Facebook yesterday

    I’m sorry to see that. I think the most positive development has been Naghmeh stopping her tweets and facebook posts over the last few weeks. I can understand that he wants to put some pressure on her to engage in the process she repeatedly told the world she wanted to do, but I also think there is a risk that she will dive back into the social media swamp she has wallowed in previously.

  278. Boxer says:

    I am grateful for marriage counselors who have been helping me but my wife’s relationship with me is not good at this point, so we need prayer that she joins this counseling process with us.

    Has anyone politely reached out to Saeed? I suspect that he knows we have been supportive (I told his wife that we supported him on twitter) but am not sure.

    I think if we are civil, respectful and polite, we could do some good, by sending him (and his family) our well-wishes on the facebook, and linking him to some material by Athol Kay and Dalrock.

    Boxer

  279. OKRickety says:

    Dalrock said on February 16, 2016 at 10:11 am
    I’m sorry to see that. I think the most positive development has been Naghmeh stopping her tweets and facebook posts over the last few weeks. I can understand that he wants to put some pressure on her to engage in the process she repeatedly told the world she wanted to do, but I also think there is a risk that she will dive back into the social media swamp she has wallowed in previously.

    I stumbled across a blogger/cartoonist (cartoonish chivalrist?) calling himself the “naked pastor” who stated the following on Feb. 1st:

    I’ve had the great pleasure of being friends with Naghmeh. She contacted me after she saw this first cartoon I did in her honor and in her defense. We’ve been communicating since. I’m also glad she became a member of The Lasting Supper where she’s getting really good support and advocacy.
    […]
    As always, people silence the woman, mostly by shaming her into turning something that is private into a public issue. Basically, when a man abuses a woman and we try to intervene or advocate, we are told to leave and mind our own business.

    Hello? It’s not a relationship issue! As this cartoon hopefully illustrates… it’s his problem, not her fault!
    […]
    I’m always shocked when a woman tells her story and isn’t believed. But I’m never shocked.

    It seems Naghmeh has retreated to a place where she will be supported in her claims.

    Of course, that group must live in a make-believe world, when he can say he is shocked when a woman tells her story (of abuse) and isn’t believed. [Then he says “I’m never shocked”. Well, which is it? Is he shocked or not?]

    I wonder if there is anyone in the “Team Woman” camp who is willing to even consider that a woman might be wrong about abuse in her marriage? You would think they have seen reports where it has been proven that a woman has lied about being raped, and consider that, similarly, women might just lie about abuse, too.

    Well, that is a nice fantasy that is unlikely to happen when they seem to be so close-minded. In contrast, I hope that we men here are willing to admit that abuse does sometimes occur in Christian marriages, although it is much less common than is claimed. And, when it does, there should be Christian discipline for the abuser, man or woman, with the intent of reconciliation and the result of a better marriage.

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