Weak men screwing Star Wars feminism up.

Spoiler Alert:  Don’t read any further if you want to avoid plot spoilers for the new Star Wars movie.

Mark Judge complains that weak men are screwing his Star Wars feminism up in ‘Star Wars’ and the Crisis of Masculinity (H/T Instapundit).  Judge postulates that the problem both in the movie and in real life is a lack of a male initiation ritual. There may be something to this, but there is a much more obvious problem in both Star Wars and the western world which Judge trips over while making his case for meaningful initiation rituals of manhood (emphasis mine):

Yet young men who are not properly initiated can suffer from psychic dissonance, depression, rage, and a lifelong inability to handle relationships. In other words, they become like Kylo Ren. This is why the questions about Ren’s parentage are so fascinating. His parents, Han Solo and General Leia, are both strong warriors, yet their son seeks to test himself against a grandfather he never met. What went wrong?

Of course his mother and father are both strong warriors.  This is western fiction;  all princesses are now warriors.  It is mandatory.  Women have coveted the status of men, including their status as protectors.  For the most part women don’t actually want to take on the role, but they want to deny men of any sense of manly pride which might come with having such a defined obligation.  This is why all parts of our military need to be open to women, even the most elite and physically demanding roles.

The fundamental problem is not that we don’t have initiation rituals for men, but the reason why we can’t have them.  Initiation rituals are about defining manhood, especially the noble qualities of manhood.  This is something women en mass in the western world have demanded that we no longer do, because defining noble manhood confers the very manly pride women covet.

Judge gets tantalizingly close to recognizing the problem via a quote he offers from James Hollis:

What the modern man suffers from, then, is the wounding without the transformation . . . He is asked to be a man when no on can define it except in the most trivial of terms.

The real problem is not in the fictional universe of Star Wars, but in our own modern societies.  When we encourage young men to imagine themselves fighting to protect a woman, he must imagine that once he arrives to save the day he will be met with feminist snark “What took you so long?”

What sane young man is going to dream of fighting to be yet another punchline in our feminist society?  Good men who do heroic things are suckers and buffoons in our culture.

The problem isn’t just that feminists have managed to destroy our ability to even imagine noble masculinity, but that our conservatives are stuck living in a fantasy world where feminist rebellion isn’t happening.  As a result of this crippling conservative delusion, our most conservative institutions are focused not on encouraging a vision of respectable manhood but on destroying the idea of respectable manhood.  Who needs feminists to destroy our sense of manhood when we have Christian conservatives?

In this sense Judge’s near miss analysis is emblematic of the very masculine malaise he is analyzing.  Judge cheers on Leia’s transformation from a princess to a bad ass general while seeking to find the explanation for the loss of the concept of noble manhood.  All he can see is the possibility that individual fathers are failing by not providing a ritual which would embody a forbidden concept:

The Force Awakens is a weakly written script so we never find out what precisely motivates Ren, but judging by his behavior, his hostility and confusion might stem from the lack of male initiation. That is to say, Han Solo may have been hyper driving around the galaxy when he should have been raising his son.

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230 Responses to Weak men screwing Star Wars feminism up.

  1. Guy_Buttersnaps says:

    I will say that the chick Jodi is extremely lucky she only had to fight twink Sith. Kylo Ren taking his helmet off was one of the most disappointing moments in movie history ever, and I had basement level expectations for the movie to begin with.

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  3. I won’t watch that crap to save my life. They butchered Star Wars long ago. This is just ramming feminism down the throats of every sci-fi male fan. I will refuse, upon torture and death, to watch such dribble.

  4. What sane young man is going to dream of fighting to be yet another punchline in our feminist society? Good men who do heroic things are suckers and buffoons in our culture.

    Sane men must turn their backs on society. Feminists and most women today are not worth saving. Let them feel the pain. I don’t know why men even bother anymore, you gain nothing from such pursuits.

    Let it burn.

  5. donalgraeme says:

    When we encourage young men to imagine themselves fighting to protect a woman, he must imagine that once he arrives to save the day he will be met with feminist snark “What took you so long?”

    What sane young man is going to dream of fighting to be yet another punchline in our feminist society? Good men who do heroic things are suckers and buffoons in our culture.

    Well said Dalrock. This is cultural suicide- this path leads to utter ruin because it wards off and destroys the very people who are necessary to defend it.

  6. Opus says:

    I have in recent weeks been reading a lot about the latest addition to the Star Wars cannon: Movies like Star Wars appear to be not merely iconic but to enter the American Psyche. All this is lost on me: I’ve never seen one and I’m not American.

    The main complaint – a perfectly reasonable one – appears to be that the sexual roles are reversed so that females save the day and protect the male. This is not (I was thinking about it) anything new. Consider: Beethoven’s opera of Fidelio (1808) sees the heroine (in disguise as a man) find her way into the prison and to the deepest dungeon where her husband is being held captive: Reader she rescued him. Consider: The Ring if the Nibelung of Wagner (1876) which features no less than eight female warriors known as Valkyries. Consider: Fanciulla del West of Puccini (1909) where our hero is saved from the Gallows (this, by the way, is California) by the herione Minnie. They are well known; but there are others: any operatic Joan of Arc (Tchaikovsky, Verdi, Honneger) will do: Meyerbeer’s Romilda e Constanza (1819) for example has something similar and doubtless as soon as I hit post other examples will come to my mind.

    This goes back to the myth of The Amazons and is nothing but a recurring phase which quickly will pass.

  7. The key takeaway here is that this is all totally Han’s fault. Leia is guiltless, naturally, because she’s a woman badass.

  8. Remo says:

    And the other problem with the movie: So we built a death star and it sank into the swamp. We built another and it sank into the swamp. The third one burned down fell over and sank into the swamp BUT THE FOURTH ONE WILL STAY UP DAMNIT!!!

  9. feeriker says:

    When we encourage young men to imagine themselves fighting to protect a woman, he must imagine that once he arrives to save the day he will be met with feminist snark “What took you so long?”

    Some day, hopefully in the very near future, some indy film producer is going to have a cynical, overtly misoygynistic dark triad hero respond to such line with “Oh, yeah. Stupid me, I forgot: you’re one of those StrongIndependentWomen. Why the fuck would you need a man to rescue you? OK then, sorry for the interruption. I’ll be off to Hooters now to watch the ball game over a few pints of IPA. Best of luck to ya and enjoy the remains of the day.”

    The red pill cinematographer (yeah, yeah, I know, I know; flying pigs and all that) unconcerned with ratings or negative fembot outrage would then follow this exchange with an absolutely epic gang rape scene that would make the one in A Clockwork Orange look like something out of a children’s program by comparison.

  10. Anonymous Reader says:

    Dalrock:
    The fundamental problem is not that we don’t have initiation rituals for men, but the reason why we can’t have them. Initiation rituals are about defining manhood, especially the noble qualities of manhood. This is something women en mass in the western world have demanded that we no longer do, because defining noble manhood confers the very manly pride women covet.

    This summary is excellent. The other day I was reading a different review of The Farce Awakens and it occurred to me that the Strong Independent Woman Who Don’t Need No Man seems to have first splashed into science fiction cinema via the character of Ripley in Alien. At the time, killing off the captain early on was surely a daring move in the story (as was hiring big name actor Roddy McDowell and killing his character off before mid story).

    Just in Alien and Aliens we have women characters saving themselves, then women characters rescuing children, then women characters rescuing men, and eventually women leading men. That’s in one film franchise, mind you.

    Feminism has, perhaps always, been about women obtaining the privileges of men while not having to pay the costs. To have the authority without the responsibility. They can’t have that authority if men have their own rituals that make them fit for authority. Therefore, as Dalrock summarizes, we can’t have such rituals for men. Or perhaps only for men is a better way to put it?

    Now the Strong, Independent Woman Who Don’t Need No Man has become a stock character in any fiction that even slightly borders on the heroic. It’s a standard trope. It’s expected by audiences now, I daresay. So someone somewhere who creates a film that is, shall we say, biologically realistic will be a real avant garde type.

  11. Slack says:

    And that is why its not worthy to protect a country that treats you as disposable crap. en need to stop being soldiers, cops, firefighters etc; and refuse to do heavy lifting, changing car tires and opening doors.Let women do it.
    They get really pissed off when you do, especially when they complain and you say that doing so is sexist and enforces gender roles. Mostly they just pout and look sullen as they realize the party is over; while the guys piss themselves.
    Frankly they can have the battlefield,….

  12. Men are inherently weak since they need initiation rituals. Women, of course, do not need them. Look how Rey (man’s name) with no training was able to beat Kylo Ren who was strong in the force and a military commander.

  13. Why would Leia rather be a general than a princess, anyway? In monarchies, the military takes orders from royalty. It’s a demotion.

  14. JDG says:

    Han Solo may have been hyper driving around the galaxy when he should have been raising his son.

    And where was the mother of this poor neglected fictional child? Somehow I don’t think she will ever be portrayed in the kitchen making sammiches. To the feminist mind it’s just fine her being honored in the masculine role of general instead of nurturing mother, but Mr. Solo had better account for his failings as a father. Though he doesn’t realize it, Mark Judge is a feminist.

  15. JDG says:

    Why would Leia rather be a general than a princess, anyway? In monarchies, the military takes orders from royalty. It’s a demotion.

    It’s a demotion, but it’s a masculine role. The masculinization of the female and the emasculation of the male is the goal. That way everyone can be “equal” (though women can still be special and never wrong). If you disagree you’re a sexist bigot because of patriarchy and sammiches.

    I’m lifting my glass to patriarchy and sammiches.

  16. JDG says:

    As I commented over at Spawny’s Space, I have zero motivation to see yet another girl power movie.

  17. fakeemail says:

    I find the success of this movie most disturbing.

    Why are white men rushing see a white woman and african man usurp their role as hero? A healthy male mind would instantly recoil. Cuckold America has been achieved and THEN SOME.

    Let’s face it, the World Wars were the deathblow of Western Civilization. Everything after has been the slow-mo collapse. A global Third World is our fate. It is inevitable.

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  19. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    One recent, extremely unrealistic, Strong Independent Women character is that of Ma-Ma in the 2012 sci-fi film Dredd.

    Ma-Ma is a street hooker who’s cut up by her pimp. So she “feminizes” her pimp, then takes over his gang. Then leads the gang into killing every other gang in ‘hood. Ma-Ma her male gangstas with fear and terror. In one seen she LOOK UP at her underling — who looms over her — snarling at him, “I ought to kill you myself,” while he quivers in fear.

    Do women really think that they can rule a gang of Crips or Bloods?

    Here’s Ma-Ma’s story, as described in the film:

  20. Josh says:

    I used to be a huge Star Wars fan, but this movie ruined the franchise for me. At least we still have Warhammer.

  21. JT says:

    “One recent, extremely unrealistic, Strong Independent Women character is that of Ma-Ma in the 2012 sci-fi film Dredd.”

    At least her name hints that it is possible for “mama” (i.e. woman) to go really evil. With a few tweaks it could be done in a more realistic way. Maybe an old woman like the stereotypical prairie matriarch widow.

    Remember also in that movie when the psychic chic causes the man to wee-wee on himself.

  22. JT says:

    *spoilers*

    See also Kill Bill where it is women bad-arse fighting other women bad-arses (one who happens to run a Japanese gang). The protagonist doesn’t kill the male hench-bad though, he almost gets her before getting backstabbed by a female hench-bad.

    Forgive me, this was before I stopped watching Tarantino garbage.

  23. Don Quixote says:

    feeriker says:
    January 1, 2016 at 4:21 pm

    Some day, hopefully in the very near future, some indy film producer is going to have a cynical, overtly misoygynistic dark triad hero respond to such line with “Oh, yeah. Stupid me, I forgot: you’re one of those StrongIndependentWomen. Why the fuck would you need a man to rescue you? OK then, sorry for the interruption. I’ll be off to Hooters now to watch the ball game over a few pints of IPA. Best of luck to ya and enjoy the remains of the day.”

    Agreed. Check this out:
    [WARNING very bad language]

  24. Looking Glass says:

    @RPL:

    Some Women are actually very good at operating a System built by a Man. This is how Pakistan & India can end up with Women are Prime Ministers. They’re simply the most capable of running the system built by their Father or Grand-father. Because when you need a lot of Faction-minding and Deviousness, having a Woman being the best at it (of the current family) isn’t the most surprising.

    It very rarely ends well, but it does happen for logical reasons.

  25. They Call Me Tom says:

    In all honesty, I found Rey’s character to be better than the typical ‘token female hero’ that Disney usually employs. Sure, it is a sad thing that Disney doesn’t include male heroes, because it means that the rank and file movie watcher apparently are afraid of male heroes now rather than sympathetic to them. But Rey felt more like Eowyn (the Tolkien version, not the Disney Princess version Jackson created) than G.I. Jane.

  26. They Call Me Tom says:

    …and yeah, it’s also sad that, they decide to include the color corrected black hero, but in the end they determine that his male dangerousness outweighs his color correctness as a character, and so he’s written as a bumbling coward… they enforce the very racial stereotypes they were supposedly defying (that black men can’t be heroic)… because there have been white male heroes in the past, even if they aren’t in Disney movies anymore, but Disney still hasn’t had a black hero after all the pre-release pc articles raving about ‘finally having a black hero’.

  27. Gunner Q says:

    By the way, Dalrock, thank you for not turning on comment moderation this Christmas season. Seems I wasn’t the only guy to need a periodic break from generally beloved family.

    I’ve never understood the concept of male initiation rituals despite seeing it repeatedly in the Manosphere. Never felt any need to prove I’m male. This seems a good time to ask if someone can explain why initiation rites are important?

    Josh @ 7:20 pm:
    “I used to be a huge Star Wars fan, but this movie ruined the franchise for me. At least we still have Warhammer.”

    This is why I believe 40k is still around despite the gross mismanagement from Games Workshop. Probably by accident, Warhammer 40,000 is still pure Alpha Male masculinity and patriarchy while competing wargames like Infinity and Warmachine are more than willing to push female models and heroines.

    In other words, 40k will only die when female Space Marines happen.

    Apologies to bystanders for the nerdspeak. Wait, no, no apologies. You knew it was going to happen in this thread.

  28. Cane Caldo says:

    @fakeemail

    Why are white men rushing see a white woman and african man usurp their role as hero? A healthy male mind would instantly recoil.

    My thoughts exactly.

    According to the theory: early Star Wars’ marginalized women and non-whites, and it was therefore offensive. We then must accept that by making the protagonists female and non-white, they set out to offend white males.

  29. Forge the Sky says:

    When we encourage young men to imagine themselves fighting to protect a woman, he must imagine that once he arrives to save the day he will be met with feminist snark “What took you so long?”

    So when Finn meets Rey, she’s some random menial worker and he’s a trained soldier. They’re attacked by a hostile force that he has intimate knowledge of. He’s supremely well equipped to save both of their asses. So he grabs her hand and drags her to safety.

    Her response? “Don’t grab my hand!” To his credit, he does anyway and demonstrably saves both of their lives.

    Then he does it again. And she yells at him again.

    I can’t imagine the hubris that would take. Literally doesn’t compute. Gender roles aside, if I was a dude and some random girl saved my life by pulling me around, then tried to pull me around again, I’d just go with it and be grateful. Holy hell.

    I was raised in a kinda twilight world, where masculine heroes were still praised in a lot of the books and movies I was exposed to growing up. But the cracks showed even then. And so the attitude and behavior of women i’ve cared about – girlfriends, sisters, friends – was a rude shock to me, but one I adapted to fairly quickly.

    They seem to have some degree of visceral positive reaction to heroic actions on their part. They struggle against them mightily, and so their snark and reprimands when you do something for them comes off as a bit sarcastic almost by its extremity.

    At any rate, any motivation to do risky things for the sake of women’s safety or comfort – family and a few close friends excluded – holds no appeal to me any more.

    But try to find the woman who’ll lay in that made bed.

  30. Oscar says:

    @ Red Pill Latecomer says:
    January 1, 2016 at 7:13 pm

    “Do women really think that they can rule a gang of Crips or Bloods?”

    Female crime bosses are rare, but Ma Barker managed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_Barker

  31. Forge the Sky says:

    From the Vox article linked in the OP:

    The problem is that we always know what the Strong Female Character will do and say in every situation, because at no point can weakness be shown for fear it will expose the entire fraud. And characters who lack weakness, who lack doubt, who lack even the basic trappings of genuine humanity, are little more than tedious cardboard.”

    This hits the nail on the head, and I think this bothers me more than the imposed feminist narrative. (I expect feminist narrative in media, it’s just reality for my generation – you learn to cope. It’s like accepting talking animals in cartoons after a while.) The narrative is weakened in a way that no suspension of disbelief can remedy – a character becomes weak and uninteresting since they are not allowed to show any weakness. It’s toxic. Luke showed many weaknesses, and so did basically every heroic protagonist ever. But ‘strong women’ protagonists can’t. It would collapse the house of cards.

    And so they become Mary Sues. Perfect, glamored, unstoppable, boring.

  32. Oscar says:

    @ Cane Caldo says:
    January 1, 2016 at 11:33 pm

    “According to the theory: early Star Wars’ marginalized women and non-whites, and it was therefore offensive. We then must accept that by making the protagonists female and non-white, they set out to offend white males.”

    Not quite. Poe Dameron – described as the resistance’s “most courageous pilot” – is played by a dude of European descent – Oscar Isaac. Of course, I may be biased, since we both hail from Central America and share a pretty badass name.

  33. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Since becoming red pill, I’ve noticed another narrative that my previous blue pill self never saw.

    In this narrative, there’s a young man — a White Knight — who loves a young Woman. But she doesn’t love him. Instead she marries someone else — a Cad who is richer, more exciting, more glamorous — but also meaner, cruder, unfaithful, or unappreciative of her.

    The narrative begins years, or even decades, later, when the Knight and Woman are middle-aged or older. The Woman is in trouble. She’s accused of murder, or some other crime or scandal. The Knight has never married, because he’s carried a torch for her all these years. Maybe now he’s a cop or detective — and he rescues his old flame.

    His reward is that she finally realizes that he was the right one for her, and deigns to marries him.

    What I find interesting is that she’s presented as still a prize to be won. Still worthy despite giving her best years to the Cad. She’s blameless, guiltless. All blame belongs to the Cad for misleading her pure and trusting heart. And the Thirsty Beta Knight is so grateful for winning his prize after so many years of pining away for her.

    I recently heard a Radio Mystery Theater with a variation on this theme: http://www.cbsrmt.com/episode-1053-the-forty-four.html

    The film Streets of Fire also has this narrative. A Woman Rock Star dumps her Alpha Soldier Boyfriend for her Beta Provider Manager, because it’s good for her career. Then she’s kidnapped by bikers. So the Alpha returns to rescue her. But then he steps aside for the Beta Provider, because Alpha Knight realizes that Beta Provider can do more for the Woman’s career. But Alpha Knight promises to return if she should ever need him again.

    So the Woman has the best of all worlds. She lives with a Beta Provider. But there’s an Alpha White Knight pining away for her, carrying a torch, ready to swoop in should she need him, then disappear again after his rescue job is done.

    The Beta Provider is cool with this. So is the Alpha. In a conversation, each man acknowledges that the other can give things to this Worthy Woman that one of them alone cannot.

    In all these narratives, we’re supposed to think how romantic it is for this White Knight to pine away, carrying a torch for years, or even decades, just waiting for his chance to rescue the Woman. Often for no reward. Sometimes for the reward of finally winning her favor after decades of self-sacrificial waiting.

    In my youth, Streets of Fire was one of my favorite films. I used to think these narratives were romantic. I used to think the men were so noble and honorable. Now I see that they’re chumps and willing doormats.

  34. Random Angeleno says:

    Reminds me of a different Tolkien heroine. This one can be found in “The Silmarillion” story of Beren and Luthien. If you don’t know it, I won’t spoil it for you, it’s actually one of the better stories in that book.

    Guess I’m going to give this Star Wars episode a miss. I don’t blame Lucas for taking the money, but it seems he has already realized he is paying a psychic price for it in watching Disney feminize the whole package. Seems Disney intends to release a new Star Wars flick once a year til 2020. If that’s so, then I’ll bet we’re not going to recognize the franchise at the end.

  35. Farm Boy says:

    As I commented over at Spawny’s Space, I have zero motivation to see yet another girl power movie.

    JDG,
    What if a sammich for you Rey did make?
    What if a sammich for you Princess Leia did make?

  36. quigonj2014 says:

    To the person complaining about Finn… uh, why? He was almost as much comic relief as Jar Jar.

    I agree there seemed to be an anti-male bias in almost every male character:
    Luke – Had a setback, ran and hid.
    Han – Couldn’t talk things out with his woman, ran and hid.
    Finn – PTSD issues, motor mouth, and a was ready to run. Very sensible, that last bit, but still.
    Kylo – 13 year old with weird daddy issues that they didn’t explain very well.
    3PO – Well, he’s 3PO. Nuff said, though I give him points for slapping R2 this time.
    Max Von Sydow’s character – Old school male, but he does die pretty darn quick.

    Maz – .Ultra wise woman.
    Leia – Like someone else said, Kylo was clearly shown as not her fault. But since we really don’t know his issues well, who knows?
    Rey – The flashback scene showed she had Jedi training as a kid. That much I am certain of. She’s a quiet person, who knows if she has people skills? But she was amazingly competent in ways men used to be.

  37. Yoda says:

    Don’t read any further if you want to avoid plot spoilers for the new Star Wars movie

    If “spoil” it you do,
    a favor it would be

  38. Yoda says:

    Sense much negativity toward SW:TFA in this thread I do.
    Justified it would be

  39. Dave says:

    And that is why its not worthy to protect a country that treats you as disposable crap. en need to stop being soldiers, cops, firefighters etc; and refuse to do heavy lifting, changing car tires and opening doors.

    Isn’t it better to lay blame where blame truly lies? I understand most won’t have the guts to say it, but is the blame really America’s? After all, this country, despite its past mistakes, has made consistent efforts to stand with righteousness, protecting its women and honoring its heroes. How did it come to this?

    Isn’t it more accurate that America has been hijacked by the Jews? Aren’t these people the ones feeding the society with the smut of Hollywood, and shaping societal opinions through their propaganda machines (aka news outlets)? After all, we all know that the Jews own or control CNN, NBC, CBS, Fox, BET, ABC, and everything else that makes this country tick. They sold us feminism, homosexuality and everything that is taking the country to hell. They may not run for president but we all know who the de facto leaders of America are. Shouldn’t it concern anyone that ALL American presidential aspirants MUST pledge allegiance to the Jews first? How many aspiring Jewish leaders come here to tell us they will be on our side , if elected? Yet, virtually all would-be American leaders, Democrats and Republicans, must visit Israel, and make obeisance to the Jews, and bow at the Wall, and make outlandish promises to the Jews, before they could be taken seriously.

    Like most American women who have been sold the lies of feminism from the cradle, America itself is a victim here, suffocating under the stranglehold of Jewish hegemony. Yes, it is time to look at things as they really are, and look for solutions that address the problem. Apportioning blame to the country formerly known as The United States of America is actually a form of victim blaming. This country still cries out for its ideals, for true traditionalism, for the can-do spirit, for honor, and for everything that once made it great. But the people with the big bullhorn will not allow its voice to be heard. They ram their disgusting ideas down its throat and force-feed it with their propaganda.
    Yes, the culprits here are the people once referred to by Christ as “the synagogue of satan”.

    Yes, go ahead and label me anti-Semitic, the same way brainless feminists label the truth they don’t agree with “misogyny”. You know the charge is nonsense.

  40. Oscar says:

    Oh hell. Here we go.

  41. God is Laughing says:

    I guess our Lord Jesus was just spoofing us and setting us to be conspiracy nuts when He told us to beware the Jews (who are not because of their rebellion towards God), the synagogue of Satan, and the teachings of the Pharisees.

    When you see a Jewish Disney, hire a Jewish director make civilization destroying girlcrack movies it is your obligation to mindf*ck yourself to avoid the appareance of anti-Semitism.

  42. benfromtexas says:

    I remember a story a while back a marine helped a woman in a bar from a severely drunk man who stabbed him. Instead of staying by his side while the ambulance arrived, she left with her friends!!! Disrespectful cunt.
    Girls are now raised to outright disregard any noble acts of masculinity. It’s disturbing.
    By the way Dalrock, I also enjoyed your links on this post to older posts. Being someone who just discovered your blog a few months ago, it’s very helpful to learn more via older posts I’ve not been exposed to.

  43. Looking Glass says:

    @Dave:

    I’ll clean up the issue with the Jews and fix the easiest problem to have fixed from Star Wars Episode 1’s error on Midichlorians.

    If Lucas has simply said that Midichlorians are the sign of the Force in a living being, the result of the inherent “Force Ability” being present, they could have existed as a trait to be tested for by the Jedi. In effect, Midichlorians collect around areas strong in the Force, which would have further gone to explain areas “strong” in the Force on many planets. This would make perfect sense and not pissed off anyone that actually thought the World Building was interesting in the Star Wars series.

    The Tribe operates the same way. They rarely start anything. They’ve not been very inventive over the past 1000 years. But, what they do excel at is finding the places to gain enough influence to not get themselves killed. At the same time, they are God’s chosen people, and they still act like it. It infuses all of their thinking, and the post-Babylonian Jewry is ardently constructed to prevent conversion to Christianity.

    So, very much, it’s wise to keep the Jews at arm’s length, but they’re rarely much of an actual issue. But they do show up anywhere that there is money to be made or influence to be had, but they’ve never been dominant in any situation outside of Israel.

  44. Looking Glass says:

    The the sort-of side topic of “strong” Women in Fiction, I’ve found it fascinating how hard they’ve tried to write Penelope out of the Odyssey these days. Even if they have to teach the Odyssey as part of the Western Canon, most of Penelope’s part with the Suitors seems to slip away when they read only sections of it.

    That, from the red-pill point of view, is really easy to explain. I, too, would fight for a decade to return to a Wife that insanely loyal. But the good feminine traits must be mercilessly removed from before out students, as they can’t be indoctrinated as well when reality intercedes.

    On a personal note, I always quite enjoyed the Slaying of the Suitors. Probably because slaying the evil that assaults your House resonates well for most Christian Men. Though I also find The Illiad to be the better book, even with the really, really long interlude sections.

  45. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    Looking Glass: At the same time, they are God’s chosen people

    What does “chosen people” mean, theologically?

    My understanding is that the Jews were “chosen” for a task — to introduce God to the world. This task culminated in Jesus arriving on Earth. This is what is meant by “Salvation comes from the Jews.” The word “Salvation” refers to Christ. He did indeed “come from the Jews.”

    But after Christ arrived, the Jews’ task was complete. Henceforth, “there is neither Jew nor Greek in the Body of Christ.”

    Post-resurrection, ethnic Jews have no special “chosen” status. If you reject Christ, it makes no difference whether you’re a Jew, Muslim, atheist, or pagan. You’re out. Likewise, if you accept Christ, your genetic heritage makes no difference. You’re in.

    I realize that Dispensationalists disagree, and think that having Jewish DNA confers some special theological status.

  46. Casey says:

    @Dalrock

    “When we encourage young men to imagine themselves fighting to protect a woman, he must imagine that once he arrives to save the day he will be met with feminist snark “What took you so long?””

    Very well said.

    I have seen both the movie & the commercial in question.
    Both are, quite simply, a feminist’s proverbial ‘wet dream’.

    I found Kylo Ren’s character to be an unprepared, uninitiated, wimpy boy-kid.

    Rey’s character on the other hand is portrayed as mastering the force in an hour; and doesn’t require a man to save her. Quite the contrary, she winds up saving Finn.

    This streak of cultural insanity continues unabated. It is immovable, and it cannot be reasoned with either.

    I had the distinct displeasure of seeing ‘A Christmas Story’ at a play this Christmas season.

    In this version Scut Farkus (the bully) is chasing Ralphie and his friends when one of the girl character’s steps in front of Farkus; which stops him dead in his tracks.

    She gives him a snarky look, and Farkus’ character looks meekly down at the ground, and then weakly steps around her, and continues his chase of the boys.

    This is not only inconsistent with the movie, it is inconsistent with reality. The fascism that be feminism has permeated every nook and cranny of western society to the point that local theatre culture is also spooging all over itself to bow to the F.I.

    When clownish fools such as Mark Judge lament about the ‘crisis in masculinity’, they never want to consider the source of the crisis.

    Spoiler alert…….it’s Feminism.

  47. bkilbour says:

    Oh, man. It looks like Disney is gonna make Star Wars into the other Marvel Cinematic Universe; every movie will have a different cast with recurring characters, maybe difference atmosphere, but will have the same exact plotlines. Guardians of the Galaxy was really just Avengers in Space. Same for Ant Man being the same as Iron Man. The guiding principle behind this conformity? Strong female characters and Tumblr-level sensitivity – no weakness allowed and thus no real change of plot.

  48. Robin Munn says:

    Shorter Dave:

    “The Jews ruin everything. But calling me anti-Semitic would be nonsense.”

    My response:

    You refute yourself. Go away.

  49. Robin Munn says:

    @Forge the Sky –

    Luke showed many weaknesses, and so did basically every heroic protagonist ever. But ‘strong women’ protagonists can’t. It would collapse the house of cards. And so they become Mary Sues. Perfect, glamored, unstoppable, boring.

    Before watching Avengers: Age of Ultron, I had heard feminists’ complaints that Black Widow was made “weak” in the movie. So when I watched the film for the first time, I tried to pay close attention to Black Widow’s scenes to see what they might be complaining about. Turns out, it boiled down to “When she was alone with Ultron and he was monologuing at her, her face showed fear.”

    Her face did, but her actions didn’t: once someone showed up to help her break out of jail, she didn’t try to run away, didn’t even hesitate before plunging back into danger to save civilians. In other words, she showed courage: being afraid but refusing to let that fear master her. Which made her a far stronger character than someone who never feels fear in the first place. And that’s exactly what you’d think SJW’s would want: a truly strong character. But no, they complained that she showed any fear at all. They don’t want true moral strength in their heroines, they want in-your-face, show-no-fear badasses who embody all the masculine virtues.

  50. desiderian says:

    “Reminds me of a different Tolkien heroine. This one can be found in “The Silmarillion” story of Beren and Luthien. If you don’t know it, I won’t spoil it for you, it’s actually one of the better stories in that book.”

    Well, Luthien’s mother was a Maia (a lesser deity of a sort), so she’s no Everywoman.

    Star Wars has set up a similar out for Rey, if the sequels want to take it, in that it is the Force acting through her which is doing the superhuman stuff, not Rey herself. She could become a Virgin Mary figure for renewing the Jedi order, if the movies ever catch-up wit the actual Zeitgeist.

  51. desiderian says:

    “our conservatives are stuck living in a fantasy world where feminist rebellion isn’t happening”

    The good news is that if they can ever pull their heads out of their asses, there are a lot of post-Christian women now rapidly becoming post-feminist and looking for men who embrace masculine headship and are willing to exert it.

    Rebellion isn’t nearly so appealing when all the common women are now doing it.

  52. Ray Manta says:

    Oscar says:
    Female crime bosses are rare, but Ma Barker managed.

    If you read the Wikipedia article carefully, it states that there was no hard evidence that Ma Barker was a criminal ringleader. Certainly J. Edgar Hoover had a motivation to paint her in a different light.

  53. Philalethes says:

    What the modern man suffers from, then, is the wounding without the transformation.

    As in infant male circumcision, an ancient “initiation” rite (and brutal, bloody, crippling ceremony establishing the primacy of the Matriarchy) which is imposed on American males (must be nearly 200 million of us by now) at a point when it can have nothing to do with the necessary “transformation” of a boy into a man, but can only result in an unconscious, overwhelming fear of Mother (to a newborn infant, everything is Mother) – and an inability to stand up to female anger (“What will she do to me if I say No?”).

    I don’t believe it’s entirely an accident that it was precisely when the first universally-circumcised generation of American males (born in the 1940s) came of age that feminism finally took over America.

    Isn’t it more accurate that America has been hijacked by the Jews?

    Nor is it an accident that many among those pushing hardest to graft this atrocity into White Protestant American culture in the late 1800s were Jews – of the “Reform” variety, who’d already violated many of their religion’s precepts in an attempt to “pass”, and apparently believed that if all American men were circumcised, it’d be even harder to tell the Jews apart. E.g. Lewis Sayre, New York orthopedic surgeon, who became a prominent advocate for circumcision in America.

    (When I lived in New York some 50 years ago, I once asked an Orthodox Jewish friend why I saw so many supposedly “Orthodox” Jewish men from Brooklyn who were shaven – as I thought one of the primary Commandments prohibited this. He said that as apparently the relevant mitzvah literally translates as “Thou shalt not suffer a razor to touch thy face,” it was considered permissible to use an electric shaver, which “operates on the scissors principle”. This was my first experience of Jewish legalistic hairsplitting – one of the primary uses to which their superior intelligence is dedicated.)

    In fairness, it should be noted that White Protestant America was ripe for this Judaization. Some Christians – in particular many English “nonconformist” groups (e.g. the famous Pilgrims, true religious fascists) who were among the first colonizers of what became New England – have long felt a kind of envy of the Jews’ “Chosen People” status, so have tended to defer to the Jews’ superiority complex and take instruction from them past all reason. So it was not an accident that the circumcision ritual first took root in the late 1800s among the Puritan-descended population of the northeastern states – which was also, by a curious coincidence, where American feminism was born, at the Seneca Falls Convention in 1848 – by another curious coincidence, the same year that Marx first published the Communist Manifesto.

    Isn’t history fun?

  54. Drive Them Before You says:

    According to Duracell, boys aren’t even allowed to daydream about being the hero anymore. Now they are supposed to daydream about being out-classed by an emasculating female doppleganger.

    This doesn’t end well.

  55. Miserman says:

    In Return of the Jedi, it is revealed that Han Solo was promoted to General (about 47 minutes into the film, at the briefing). Well, there is no way that we can have a male general and a female princess. No, sir! We must have a female general who equals or surpasses Solo. Maybe the reason Kylo Ren went to the Dark Side was because he couldn’t tell whether he had two daddies or two mommies.

  56. @Dave and @LG:

    Oh No! The Joooooooooossss!

    It is not the joos, it is the Marxists aka feminists in panties (and blue jeans, purple hair, etc). It just happens that Marxism has infected Jewish identity to a greater extent than many other groups. Since they are God’s chosen people🙂 this magnifies their power and the effect of the perverted doctrines you laid out which can also be found in the Book of Oprah.

    I will bless him that bless you and curse him that curses you. God is usually a bit more opaque than that when He speaks (compare the curse of Eve) so I am just going to take Him at His word this time. Hmm’K? We do have thousands of years of history on that precise point.

    >there are a lot of post-Christian women now rapidly becoming post-feminist and looking for men who embrace masculine headship and are willing to exert it.

    Where? For how long are they going to be “post-feminist?” Sounds like post-wall hamstering to me.

  57. Gunner Q says:

    Why are people bringing up anti-Semitism when there’s nerdrage to be done?

    Random Angeleno @ 2:13 am:
    “Seems Disney intends to release a new Star Wars flick once a year til 2020. If that’s so, then I’ll bet we’re not going to recognize the franchise at the end.”

    Sure we will. A small band of charismatic outlaws blows up an unbelievably large military installation with hokey religions and ancient weapons. This will save the galaxy because Darth Evil didn’t fund anything between planet-killing ray guns and disposable minions with bad aim. No offense, Finn.

    I don’t even know why people need spoiler warnings for this movie. WARNING: Movie sucks ass! Do not watch before reading safety reviews!

    Dear God, please take the Star Wars franchise away from Disney and give it to Timothy Zahn. I want to see Grand Admral Thrawn reading the Evil Overlord list over breakfast.

  58. Fifty Seven says:

    Don’t think I’ve commented here before. Anyway…

    Robin Munn: The feminist freakout was (from what I heard, anyway) about Black Widow’s being bummed out that she was sterilized in Russian spy school. Regretting that you can’t bear children is an unacceptable display of Internalized Misogyny or something.

    Gunner Q: Games Workshop is going to have a hard time retconning that one, since I believe it’s firmly establish canon that the Space Marine gene seed is incompatible with female XX. Primarchs, Emperor, and all that. Plus, the Grrl Power set already has the Sisters of Battle (who are, quite naturally, working for the Imperial Inquisition…)

    RPL: Gotta admit, I kinda liked Dredd. The female Judge was a psychic, and does a lot of her fighting mentally rather that physically, which is how women win in the real world anyway. Gun stuff doesn’t bother me, since shooting skill is pretty gender neutral.

    As for Ma-Ma, as others point out, there’s precedent for females taking over and running both legal (kingdoms, etc) and illegal organizations. Not common, granted, but it happens.

  59. Fifty Seven says:

    Disney paid Lucas four billion dollars for that property. The Mouse does not intend to suffer financial loss. Their plan is (I know a guy who works for A Large Animation Studio that Disney purchased some years ago) to release one every year, but with only every other year being an “Episode”. So Episode 8 will be 2017. The in betweeners will be back story, side stories, and other things that they can sell MERCHANDISING of.

  60. mrteebs says:

    RPL,

    And the other truth in your narrative is that Princess still isn’t fundamentally sexually attracted to White Knight.

    She is simply desparate enough to now seriously entertain the tradeoff between the security he offers and the tingles the carousel offered. Unfortunately, not every White Knight grows out of his own fantasy realm in which he imagines Princess is genually attracted to him in the end. He still sees her as a prize, not realizing that sexual frustration lies ahead – not sexual nirvana – and that her “attraction” is more about the assessment of a dependable work horse now that she has grudgingly accepted none of her thoroughbred studs will pull a plough.

  61. JDG says:

    JDG,
    What if a sammich for you Rey did make?
    What if a sammich for you Princess Leia did make?

    Disney would never allow it, but if these women made sammiches for their men in the movie I might be persuaded to watch it.

  62. mrteebs says:

    desiderian,

    The good news is that if they can ever pull their heads out of their asses, there are a lot of post-Christian women now rapidly becoming post-feminist and looking for men who embrace masculine headship and are willing to exert it.

    I’m not nearly so optimistic. Until biblical truth on this subject starts coming out of our pulpits again, a woman’s admission of cracks in the foundation will not alone lead her to the proper recipe for concrete.

  63. JDG says:

    Maybe the reason Kylo Ren went to the Dark Side was because he couldn’t tell whether he had two daddies or two mommies.

    That could do it.

  64. Gunner Q says:

    Welcome, Fifty Seven and fellow wargamer!

    “The in betweeners will be back story, side stories, and other things that they can sell MERCHANDISING of.”

    A little-known movie fact, when Mel Brooks got legal permission to do his Spaceballs parody it came with the caveat he couldn’t merchandise the film. That inspired him to add the famous merchandising scene. The scene feels different when you know it’s a direct dig at Lucas’ moneygrubbing.

    “Spaceballs the T-Shirt! Spaceballs the lunch box! SPACEBALLS THE FLAMETHROWER!!!”

    Another little fact, with the release of The Farce Awakens Mel Brooks announced he now has enough new material for a sequel. One rumor has the title as “Spaceballs 3: The Search for Spaceballs 2: The Search for More Money”.

    We can only assume Brooks was too much of a sportsman to mock Jar-Jar Binks.

  65. Patrick says:

    You’re right, and Kylo Ren in the movie correctly identifies the issue, too. He calls people “traitors” over and over. And he makes the right decision, ultimately, too, when he kills Han Solo (figuratively speaking, in the sense that killing Han Solo represents, in my view, killing a male iteration and acceptance of feminism, not patricide). Han Solo, the piece of shit father who got kicked out of his own house in the divorce and turned into a can-collecting bum who goes back to his ball-busting wife and then tries to get Kylo Ren to return to the “light” side. I was pretty happy with the movie, once I (quickly) accepted that I in the real world am represented in the movie by the First Order and Kylo Ren. It’s a feminist film so obviously the white, hierarchical, patriarchal side is portrayed as oppressive and impotently enraged but still capable of doing serious damage. Like a school shooter or something. While the “light” side is a super friendship team of teddy bears and girl power. I think the writers pretty much have a finger on the culture’s pulse at the moment.

  66. Anonymous Reader says:

    fifty-seven
    As for Ma-Ma, as others point out, there’s precedent for females taking over and ruining both legal (kingdoms, etc) and illegal organizations

    FIFY.

  67. Just Saying says:

    What the modern man suffers from

    Is they are taught to try to be women. Plain and simple – that is why everything is f’ed up. There are no real men today in the US or western world – and what I’ve seen in the middle east is worst than savages that need to be put down like rabid dogs. I did my part when I was there to cull the herd, so no they are importing them here – keep your powder dry.

    Personally, I’m glad that things are the way they are – lots of women for me since I was raised as a man should be prior to all of the feminist drivel, and that turns on the young women. I can’t change things but I can enjoy them, and I do.

  68. Dave says:

    Robin Munn says:

    Shorter Dave:
    “The Jews ruin everything. But calling me anti-Semitic would be nonsense.”

    My response:
    You refute yourself. Go away.

    Really? That is all you’re going to write in response to the irrefutable statements that I made about the Jews? Why don’t you attempt to refute any of my earlier assertions?

    In any case, I ain’t going nowhere. I stayin’ right here.

    Looking Glass says:

    The Tribe operates the same way. They rarely start anything. They’ve not been very inventive over the past 1000 years. But, what they do excel at is finding the places to gain enough influence to not get themselves killed.

    I really wished the Jews were as benign as you tried to portray them here–just make their money and go happily about their businesses. But the facts are completely different.
    They have managed to infiltrate and destroy an otherwise patriarchal society that once existed in America, and filled the whole world with smut and violence. There is virtually no war happening anywhere in the world where the Jews do not play a covert or overt role. None. Even ISIS has a Jewish colonel at its center.
    So much for a peaceful people who are into businesses.

    At the same time, they are God’s chosen people, and they still act like it.

    This is one of the most erroneous statements people make about the Jews. They are no more God’s chosen people than any of the benighted heathen in the deep jungles of Africa. God selected the Jews to carry out two specific jobs: 1. preserve the holy writings, and 2. produce the Messiah, and both jobs have been completed. They ended up killing the Son of God and their own prophets, and, in the words of Apostle Paul “they please not God, and are contrary to all people” (1 Thessalonians 2:15) .

    God’s chosen people are those who are washed by the blood of the Lamb of God. These are “…the children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.” John 1:13.

    Apostle Peter stated this even more clearly in his epistle:

    But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 1 Peter 2:9

    The Christians who worship God in truth, are the Israel of God, and peace be upon them:

    And as many as those who will walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God. Galatians 6:16

  69. Boxer says:

    Really? That is all you’re going to write in response to the irrefutable statements that I made about the Jews? Why don’t you attempt to refute any of my earlier assertions?

    When you make these silly comments, what you are actually doing is white knighting for women. You’re saying, in essence, that it’s not the fault of women (nor any individual woman’s fault) that so many women go down to the divorce court and the abortion clinic. Rather than looking critically at the women who actually, you know, do this stuff, we should hold them blameless, and instead project the culpability onto Jewish men.

    There’s really no need to argue against this line of reasoning. It’s obviously illogical and has no basis in reality.

    The idea that my friend Saul (who has no money and no influence on anything outside his modest home) is somehow responsible for unknown women who abort their kids and run their husbands through the divorce machine is just too silly even to entertain. It’s like blaming me for Canadian foreign policy, or for the behavior of Harry Reid and Mitt Romney (both Mormons like my own bad self).

    Boxer

  70. The Tingler says:

    “Why are white men rushing see a white woman and african man usurp their role as hero? A healthy male mind would instantly recoil.”

    This.

    As we all know, Hollywood reflects our self-perceptions back at us. So what is Hollywood’s (and America’s – at least liberal America’s) perception of the (presumably Millennial) audience for The Force Awakens?
    -White girls are flawless and effortlessly powerful, capable of beating up battalions of men twice their size
    -Black males are misguided but ultimately good and heroic, and therefore the right match for white females (we see this in advertising all the time now, as well as top 40 music videos)
    -Latino males are savvy badasses
    -Gay males are savvy badasses (if recent hints that Oscar Isaac has dropped about Poe Dameron are to be believed)
    -White males are whiny emo b*tches, nowhere near as manly as their fathers

    Surely it isn’t a coincidence that whiny emo millennial Kilo Ren kills his much manlier father at the end?

  71. Yoda says:

    I found Kylo Ren’s character to be an unprepared, uninitiated, wimpy boy-kid.

    A white male potential rapist he is.
    More needs to be said not.

  72. The Tingler says:

    Oh, forgot to mention:

    A white girl who has never used the Force before can still defeat a white boy who’s been training to be a Jedi all his life.

    Welcome to the 21st century, white boys.

  73. Yoda says:

    Surely it isn’t a coincidence that whiny emo millennial Kilo Ren kills his much manlier father at the end?

    Yes, old swashbuckling white male un-PC relics eliminated they must be

  74. Yoda says:

    Wonder how much truth here there would be,

    It’s not actually specified in the script, but it’s pretty obvious from Princess Leia’s new leather jerkin look (and her ridiculous made-up Caitlyn-style name General Organa) why it is that she and Han Solo are no longer an item. “You changed your hair,” notices Han who — typical male — has only picked up on about 0.05 percent of the full story.

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/12/31/the-force-awakens-is-the-worst-thing-ever/

  75. nick012000 says:

    >You’re saying, in essence, that it’s not the fault of women (nor any individual woman’s fault) that so many women go down to the divorce court and the abortion clinic.

    It’s really not. Women are followers; they don’t really possess much, if any, real initiative of their own. If they’ve got a strong man in their life, they’ll follow him, but if they don’t, then they’ll follow what the media and culture tells them instead. This is one of the reasons that the Kikes and their libtard minions spent so much time undermining and infiltrating the media and the education system.

  76. Boxer says:

    It’s really not. Women are followers; they don’t really possess much, if any, real initiative of their own. If they’ve got a strong man in their life, they’ll follow him, but if they don’t, then they’ll follow what the media and culture tells them instead. This is one of the reasons that the Kikes and their libtard minions spent so much time undermining and infiltrating the media and the education system.

    And yet, despite a media constellation and educational system which endlessly promotes divorce, abortion, selfishness and feminism, there are millions of women in our society who make the choice to stay married and not to slice and dice their kids. Why is that?

  77. Escoffier says:

    Tingler,

    What you say is true, but the full truth is even worse.

    Whatever one thinks of Luke—whiney beta to Han’s (formerly) cocky alpha—he was the true hero of the original series. He’s trained by Yoda himself, apparently the greatest Jedi, if not of all time, at least of the past 1,000 years. He defeats Darth Vader, he resists and overcomes the pull of the Dark Side, is instrumental in deposing and killing the Emperor, leading to the downfall of the Empire, and for good measure manages to turn Vader back to the light side of the Force. Then he single-handedly revives the Jedi order and begins to train a whole new generation of Jedi by himself. Including Kylo Ren, whom we know from the new movie to be very powerful himself.

    So that’s the events of the original trilogy plus the gap. Whatever you think of Luke, these must be admitted to be genuinely huge and heroic accomplishments within the parameters of the Star Wars universe.

    But the new movie guts Luke—and by extension the original trilogy—like a fish. Why is he on that Island? Not because his life is in danger, or because he is a danger to his friends or to others. No, he apparently had a tantrum when things didn’t go his way. That sounds harsh, but remember he is an epic hero. Yes, it’s awful that Ren (Ben Solo) went Dark and killed all the padawans (at least, that’s what the dialogue leads us to believe). But shouldn’t a true hero be able to rally? This is not Achilles sulking in his tent; this is a weak man running away. So all of Luke’s competence, courage, and heroism from the original trilogy is gutted with that explanation. He doesn’t know what he’s doing (he could turn Darth Vader Light, but he couldn’t keep Ren from going Dark) and lacks the emotional stability to deal with it and soldier on. So he runs away. Some hero!

    Then it gets worse from there. Ren must be very powerful indeed to have killed all the padawans right under Luke’s nose and then to have driven Luke off by himself. Either they got into a fight and Luke lost, or else Luke perceived him so strong that he fled in terror rather than right Ren.

    But Rey is able to defeat Ren without any training at all. How does she even know about the mind trick? That is, not how to do it, but that it even exists at all? Luke had seen Ben do it and was amazed. Rey just “knows.” And then she knows how to do it with total competence after one small failed attempt. Remember how on Hoth, Luke—who had already had some training from Ben—could barely get the lightsaber out of the snow? Rey is able, on her first try, to pull one dozens of yards, and get into a Force tug-of-war over it with Ren, whom she easily defeats. With no training. And then she is able to holder her own and even defeat Ren with a lightsaber, which is supposed to take decades to master.

    So Rey>Ren>Luke. Ren is so badass he can defeat one of the two or three most accomplished Jedi of all time. But at least he had to be trained. Rey is so badass that she can defeat Ren with no training at all.

    What will they do with the next movie? If they hew to the formula, then she will persuade Luke to end his isolation and train her. But in what? She’s already greater than he is. She could lift not one but a whole squadron of X-wings out of a swamp on her first try. What does she need him for?

    This takes the “kick-ass babe” phenomenon, which I agree began with the original Alien, to a whole new level of ridiculousness. Rey is established as a kick-ass babe very early, when all 80 pounds of her are able to easily defeat a crowd of toughs three times her size while Finn just looks on in impotent shame. That’s already idiotic. Add total Force master with no training and the premise of the series is just destroyed.

    Some blogger called her a “Mary Sue,” the trope name for a super-young character with no flaws, typical of fan fiction. The thing is, you usually don’t see Mary Sues in “professional” productions. Well, now we have one as the main character in the most pop-culturally dominant franchise of the last 40 years.

    The problem, plot-wise for the franchise, would have been just as bad if the Rey character were male. But of course it would never occur to anyone in modern Hollywood to make a male Mary Sue. Females must always be portrayed as omni-competent. Will omnipotence be next?

  78. Escoffier says:

    “You changed your hair”

    The funny thing about that line is that she appeared to have the same hairstyle that she had in Jedi, i.e., exactly the same hair for the past 32 years.

  79. JDG says:

    If they’ve got a strong man in their life, they’ll follow him,

    So it really is the man’s fault? I’m afraid not. A rebellious woman will be rebellious regardless of the man. I’ve seen it time and again. They even rebel against the thugs that they tingled for sooner or later. They are self destructive. From what I have seen the one thing you CAN count on is that a rebellious woman will find a way to self destruct … period.

  80. Yoda says:

    He’s trained by Yoda himself, apparently the greatest Jedi, if not of all time, at least of the past 1,000 years.

    Thank you for the complement I do

  81. Yoda says:

    From what I have seen the one thing you CAN count on is that a rebellious woman will find a way to self destruct

    If only count on them to make sammiches one could

  82. JDG says:

    If only count on them to make sammiches one could

    Then they probably wouldn’t be rebellious. The very nature of the rebellious woman is anti-sammich making.

  83. Yoda says:

    A white girl who has never used the Force before can still defeat a white boy who’s been training to be a Jedi all his life.

    Welcome to the 21st century, white boys.

    Happened long ago in a galaxy far far away it did.
    But SJW propaganda timeless it is

  84. JDG says:

    Happened long ago in a galaxy far far away it did.

    If only we could transport Big Red and all other proponents of feminism (on the “left” and on the “right”) to that galaxy.

  85. JDG says:

    Perhaps I should have said banish rather than transport. I wouldn’t them returning with “general” Leia and company. Feminism seems a lot like the Borg, always trying to force assimilation and never content with previous conquests.

  86. General Leia obviously was on the front lines insufflated the front lines and any other lines she encountered.

    I know, I know, beauty is on the inside and all that shi’ite, but day’um….she must have stayed at some exact relative speed compared to Harrison Ford for a long time because she is now officially older than him. That can only happen with some weird relativity, which by the way, could happen in Star Wars.

  87. Yoda says:

    I know, I know, beauty is on the inside and all that shi’ite, but day’um….she must have stayed at some exact relative speed compared to Harrison Ford for a long time because she is now officially older than him.

    Chose to respond poorly she did,

    http://www.salon.com/2015/12/30/carrie_fisher_shuts_down_the_ageist_haters/

  88. Farm Boy says:

    Perhaps she got accustomed to adoring fans when she was attractive.
    When that dries up, what does she have?

  89. If you want to see a good movie with appropriate sexual roles see “The 33” with Antonio Banderas. Excellent movie. Male miners working hard to support their families and the wives and families who love them for it. Highly recommended.

  90. desiderian says:

    Escoffier,

    “Females must always be portrayed as omni-competent. Will omnipotence be next?”

    No, it’s already played out, and everyone knows it. It’s all over network TV, for God’s sake! How common! The only people still buying it are nerds and the bean-counters who’ve always been right on top of yesterday’s trends.

    We did get Leia to admit to being a lousy mother and wife, and to apologize for blowing up her marriage. So there is that.

  91. Escoffier says:

    Des, I expect a Hollywood remake of The Ten Commandments, with “Moses” recast as a middle school girl who parts the Red Sea on her own initiative without any recourse to God. And, of course, she carves the Tablets herself. The whole thing was her idea.

  92. JDG says:

    We did get Leia to admit to being a lousy mother and wife, and to apologize for blowing up her marriage. So there is that.

    It must have been in a galaxy far, far away. I find it extraordinary that a “strong independent woman” would (or even could) admit that she was wrong (let alone apologize) … about anything.

  93. cynthia says:

    What the media complex doesn’t seem to understand is that most girls don’t like watching female characters. It’s not a draw. We want the same thing men want out of our programming; competent, strong men being bad-asses.

    We don’t get it very often these days, just like men don’t get the naked girls in Bond anymore. For me at least, it’s uncomfortable watching men be eviscerated on screen. And even for liberal girls, though, watching some (other) women beat up on her favorite character, take his screen time, or even be a bitch to him if she’s his SO, can be rage-inducing. The Supernatural fangirls, about the most insane group out there, have hated every single female character the show has tried to introduce, to the point where the writers just keep killing them off.

    Women hate each other enough in real life. We’re all in competition with each other constantly. We need to feel like we’re superior to somebody. So the only thing that allows us to really tolerate one another, besides big age differences or familial relation, are each other’s flaws. I honestly think there’s something about these flawless female characters – who are thinner, prettier, with better LTR prospects – that is discomforting to female viewers as well. At least at some unconscious level.

    I don’t think Star Wars would have been hurt one bit by having a male protagonist. Probably would have helped it immensely. I know I’d much rather watch Ewan McGregor and Liam Neeson try to salvage Episode I than Daisy Ripley Mary Sue her way around Episode VII again. But I guess Disney needs another princess to add to the line-up.

  94. Yoda says:

    We did get Leia to admit to being a lousy mother and wife, and to apologize for blowing up her marriage. So there is that.

    Not sure saw this I did.
    Be more specific you can?

  95. Oscar says:

    @ Ray Manta says:
    January 2, 2016 at 9:37 am

    “If you read the Wikipedia article carefully, it states that there was no hard evidence that Ma Barker was a criminal ringleader.”

    Silly cops lost the gang’s org chart.

  96. Oscar says:

    @ The Tingler says:
    January 2, 2016 at 3:57 pm

    “-Latino males are savvy badasses”

    Yes we are. Thanks for noticing.

  97. desiderian says:

    “Not sure saw this I did.
    Be more specific you can?”

    You’ll just have to wait to stream it, then.

    I won’t be responsible to earning Disney the price of your second ticket.

  98. desiderian says:

    “What the media complex doesn’t seem to understand is that most girls don’t like watching female characters.”

    This.

    It’s not regular women driving this nonsense now, if it ever was. It’s nerds who don’t grok femininity, bean-counters chasing yesterday’s fads, and a few blue-haired trustifarian lesbots.

  99. enrique says:

    @ The Tingler:
    “-Latino males are savvy badasses”

    If only that were true. Most of the younger generation (particularly S. Americans), do exactly what their mothers tell them to do, even when they are 25 (and still living at home). When they marry, the wife and evil MIL fight it out over who will dominate your life more. Glad I dumped my parents (esp mom) at 18 to join the service. It’s almost unbearable to watch my wife’s younger male nephews and cousins in their full betatude around their moms and g/fs or wives.

  100. Oscar says:

    @ desiderian says:
    January 2, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    “It’s not regular women driving this nonsense now, if it ever was. It’s nerds who don’t grok femininity, bean-counters chasing yesterday’s fads, and a few blue-haired trustifarian lesbots.”

    The irony is that if Hollywood really wanted to celebrate female heroism, there is an abundance of true stories from which they could draw inspiration. For example…

    http://www.amazon.com/Women-Heroes-World-War-Resistance/dp/1613745230

    Mind you, these ladies weren’t kicking 200 lb SS troopers’ asses, but the feats they pulled off (espionage, couriers for resistance units, rescuing Jewish children, etc.) were even more impressive than that, and often they were able to do so BECAUSE OF their femininity, NOT in spite of it. Some were captured, tortured, executed and God knows what else.

    Instead, Hollywood is obsessed with heroines who are essentially men in drag.

    Who knows? Maybe someday a script writer will pick up a copy of the book linked above. Those stories would make exciting, suspenseful movies.

  101. Looking Glass says:

    @Yoda:

    Good gimmick you chose. Dedication paid off, it did.

    @Oscar:

    No explosions and no romantic drama. It’s would be really hard to film. So only the “Indy” types would take it up, and they’re so far up the Progressive chuff that they could never pull it off.

  102. God is Laughing says:

    @Boxer, reverse apex fallacy?

    I don’t care what some homeless descendent of Abraham is doing today. What seems to matter is the cohort that is largely in charge of American media and has been for a long period of time. Their influence appears to be having a deleterious affect on our civilization. Almost as if Jesus had not warned His Church in vain.

    I don’t think it’s the “Jews” as a group. I also don’t think Jesus was blowing smoke.

  103. God is Laughing says:

    In fact that her words when Jesus tells us to beware, I don’t blow Him off for fear of being associated with Stormfront by a bunch of SJW’s

  104. God is Laughing says:

    “In other words”, that is, sorry.

  105. They Call Me Tom says:

    @Escoffier: Great point on Luke’s demotion via retcon. I didn’t really pick up on that, but you’ve spelled it out well. If the next episode doesn’t do a good enough job with the history between episode 6 and episode 7, it’ll be a terrible retconning of the episode 4-6 version of Luke. Episode 7 in general, as far as Luke is concerned seemed to be inconsistent… Sith Oz and Emo Ren sense an awakening in the force…so Luke must too…. and yet Luke stays in hiding. Unless he’s channeling Paul Atreides or Leto II Atreides… can’t remember were their spicemaking sandworms in Episode 7?

  106. They Call Me Tom says:

    arggg…. there not their

  107. paddy says:

    Probably there are other forums better suited to realist debate over The Chosen. Surprised that no one pointed out Revelations 3:9 however.

  108. Gunner Q says:

    Dave @ January 2, 2016 at 3:40 pm:
    “They have managed to infiltrate and destroy an otherwise patriarchal society that once existed in America, and filled the whole world with smut and violence. There is virtually no war happening anywhere in the world where the Jews do not play a covert or overt role. None. Even ISIS has a Jewish colonel at its center.”

    If the Jews alone are this powerful then we should give up. The ability to destroy an entire planet is insignificant next to the power of this Force.

    paddy @ 3:01 am:
    “Surprised that no one pointed out Revelations 3:9 however.”

    Romans 11:25 & context is an even better counter to the blame-the-Jews crowd but we can prove them wrong anytime. How often do we get to talk about Star Wars on this blog?

  109. jonakc1 says:

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thoughtlife/2016/01/emo-kylo-ren-and-the-force-awaken-quick-thoughts/
    CBMW’s head praising Star Wars and Rey…

    one commenter spoted the hypocrisy…

  110. Dave says:

    @Boxer:

    When you make these silly comments, what you are actually doing is white knighting for women. You’re saying, in essence, that it’s not the fault of women (nor any individual woman’s fault) that so many women go down to the divorce court and the abortion clinic. Rather than looking critically at the women who actually, you know, do this stuff, we should hold them blameless, and instead project the culpability onto Jewish men.

    Calling my assertions silly and illogical, without offering a plausible counter-argument, except for the anecdotal example of your powerless neighbor, reminds me of the feminists’ MO. And I am pretty certain you are not a feminist. Unless things have changed and we didn’t know.
    To claim that the Jews are not at the root of America’s decadence and decaying culture is to be willfully ignorant. Of course that does not absolve the American women of guilt, but it helps those who really want to see the whole picture as it really is. Merely blaming the mass of women (who themselves are victims of carpet brainwashing from the very time they took their first breath), without addressing the roles of their manipulators, is foolish and counter-productive. It’s like trying to cure HIV or herpes, when they could have easily been prevented in the first place.

    @Gunner:

    If the Jews alone are this powerful then we should give up. The ability to destroy an entire planet is insignificant next to the power of this Force.

    I know this might be a surprise, but for the observing eye, America is actually easier to change than it looks. Women did it. Gays did it. The Hispanics are doing it. Actually, anyone with money and focus can change America. Heck, Osama Bin Ladin single handedly changed America, as millions of airline travelers can testify everyday. It’s no surprise that the Jews twist and turn the American leaders any way they want.

    But the jig is up. Just as the men are waking up to the feminists’ shenanigans, folks are waking up to the Jewish hegemony. Preachers are educating their members and nonreligious people are seeing the arms of Esau on this Jacob.

  111. Yoda says:

    A reboot it really was.
    Episode IV: A New Chick

  112. Yoda says:

    Some truthful user reviews of SW:TFA here they would be,

    http://m.imdb.com/title/tt2488496/reviews?ref_=m_tt_urv#showAll

  113. desiderian says:

    “Great point on Luke’s demotion via retcon.”

    It’s too soon to say whether it’s a demotion. We’ll see where things go in the next one. By then the Zeitgeist may have meaningfully shifted.

    Until then he’s just a MGTOW.

    And yes, Rey is (so far) a Mary Sue. Disney has made sure to hedge their bets there. But she, too, can go a lot of directions from here.

    The Force in VII is Subject, not Object. This is new, and in fact deeply Christian (and hence also Hebraic). Gone is Lucas’s weak Buddhism, and the atheistic Materialism of I-III’s midi-chlorians. Rey’s experience reflects that of many Millennial raised to believe that Christianity (and indeed not just Christianity, but the rich Western heritage as a whole) was only a myth when confronted unexpectedly with it’s reality in the Flesh.

    It’s something those of us raised in a still Christian culture (even one dubiously Christian) have not experienced.

    Luke needed training because he sought to use the Force for his own purposes. Rey didn’t because the Force was using her for His own purposes. She ironically functions in this sense as a Marian figure, rather than a Mary Sue.

  114. Boxer says:

    Dear Dave:

    Calling my assertions silly and illogical, without offering a plausible counter-argument, except for the anecdotal example of your powerless neighbor, reminds me of the feminists’ MO.

    Blaming some nebulous, ill-defined group of people for all the social problems we see around us is the feminist MO. You can call them “the Jews” and they can call them “the patriarchy” and the arguments, from my perspective, are interchangeable.

    And I am pretty certain you are not a feminist. Unless things have changed and we didn’t know. To claim that the Jews are not at the root of America’s decadence and decaying culture is to be willfully ignorant.

    I say it’s a conspiracy between Marxists and grey extraterrestrial space aliens, which have caused Americans to make moral mistakes throughout their lives. I don’t have any hard evidence of this, naturally, but that doesn’t matter. Listen and believe. We’re all victims.

    Of course that does not absolve the American women of guilt, but it helps those who really want to see the whole picture as it really is. Merely blaming the mass of women (who themselves are victims of carpet brainwashing from the very time they took their first breath), without addressing the roles of their manipulators, is foolish and counter-productive. It’s like trying to cure HIV or herpes, when they could have easily been prevented in the first place.

    That’s an apt analogy, actually. I’m pretty sure “the Jews” didn’t cause the HIV outbreak.

    There’s an old logical postulate that dates to classical Rome: The burden of proof is upon the accuser. If you make a “muh Jews” (or “muh Patriarchy”) claim, you first have to define the group, and then lay out your case that they’re responsible for whatever nefarious nonsense they supposedly did. I see people making these “muh Jews” claims all the time in the manosphere, and usually I ignore or laugh at them, because the accusers aren’t worth talking to. You’re a lot smarter than those guys, so I’ll ask again, to start: what is a Jew?

    Thanks,

    Boxer

  115. Escoffier says:

    “Rey didn’t because the Force was using her for His own purposes. She ironically functions in this sense as a Marian figure, rather than a Mary Sue.”

    This may be, but I found no indication of it in the “text” as it were. That said, I only saw it once and probably won’t again, unless it’s one a plane or something.

  116. enrique says:

    Dave and Boxer might enjoy the work of Prof. Kevin McDonald, who discusses much broader issues, but also touches on “The Jewish Question”. McDonald frames it, as with most of his work on the current political climate, as a system in which Jews (as a whole, not every single one) seek to shame European and European-Americans, based upon moral precepts shared and held ONLY by those same white Europeans–arguing for “multiculturalism” when they (Jews) are in the minority here in the US and Europe, as if seeking such diversity was a long-held Judaic principle, when in fact–Israel’s very existence is based upon racialism.

    Yes yes, I know, “Jews aren’t a race”, yet we all (myself included via my mother’s Spanish heritage) typically share specific genes associated with a few women going back thousands of years. People can say Jews aren’t a race all day, just like they can claim race is a social construct (it isn’t). The fact is, Ashkenazi Zionism makes clear who is in group and who is out group.

    The larger point being, that Boxer, it isn’t wrong to note that Jews hold an extraordinary grip on our culture and society, and THEY have fought for the influx of 3rd world immigrants without restraint–which was grabbed upon by pathological altruists of N. European descent. A cultural trait that is ALSO genetic. In other words, as Stefan Molyneux (and Ayn Rand before him) note: White people are held moral standard, shamed and required to feel guilty–based upon a moral standard that is largely only held by them–not Jews, not Africans, not Arabs, not Mestizos (who are much more tribal and in-group bound).

    I recommend listening all the way through:

  117. Yoda says:

    Luke needed training because he sought to use the Force for his own purposes. Rey didn’t because the Force was using her for His own purposes.

    Anybody believe this they do?

  118. God is Laughing says:

    A little leaven leavenath the whole lump.

  119. Boxer says:

    Dear Enrique:

    I read all three of McDonald’s books. While I found them interesting and worthy of discussion, they don’t really approach Dave’s assertion that “the Jews” are responsible for John Doe’s divorce. Specific to that particular text, I remember very little that was documented about Jewish players in intellectual movements that wasn’t also applicable to Mormon players in similar (same in many cases) movements. It’s very common for people to approach me and appeal to my own ethnic identity — wheether they’re trying to schmooze me out of donation money or just attempting to excuse their own shortcomings.

    More to the point, even if Dave’s conspiracy theory were true, it wouldn’t matter. “Jews told me to do it” is not a legit excuse for crap behavior, and I don’t accept women using this excuse any more than men. When women suck down divorce empowerment propaganda (whether it’s produced by Jews, Mormons, or extraterrestrial space aliens) and decide to make their children bastards, they’re making a conscious choice, and they need to be held accountable for it.

    Best,

    Boxer

  120. Kevin says:

    Spoiler alert
    This analysis does not even make sense in the context of the movie. Kyle Ren was in a Jedi training camp – a very ritualistic training with clear advancement and progression.

    The Star Wars reference is inane and just click bait. A better question would be how did Ray last more than 5 seconds against a Sith Appretence who had been training in the force for years. What – only guys need to train? Girls get the force by just wanting it. How typical.

    Still a good Star Wars movie but not as good as the hype. 7/10.

  121. JDG says:

    Luke needed training because he sought to use the Force for his own purposes. Rey didn’t because the Force was using her for His own purposes.

    Anybody believe this they do?

    Only people trying to reconcile PC BS With Christianity.

  122. enrique says:

    Boxer, McDonald is just as harsh on the Puritans and much of the NW European “Christianity”. We still see that same radical liberalism in the North Eastern United States.

    I don’t anyone is blaming “The Jews” for John Doe’s divorce, but the reality is that feminism was almost completely started, led and propagated by Jews. You can claim, legitimately, “well, white women lapped it up” true enough, but the reality is that the Jews are just as influential and “mind controlling” as the midnight bonfires of the Nazi’s which have been the subject of study for decades–the psy ops, groupthink, etc.

    I still don’t see your analogies, to the degree you’ve attempted to apply them, to the Mormons. Most people in the United States, particularly outside of Utah, and few surrounding states, and Hawaii, think much about Mormons at all, other than the usual “They really good people,” “Their weird, don’t they wear that special underwear?” and all that. Mormons ARE very successful, but they are not, to my knowledge and experience as an American, destructive like the Jewish elite have been.

    But then, I have a Jewish mother, so maybe I’m biased against “my own” people so to speak. Jewish women are masters at manipulation.

  123. Yoda says:

    If the force allowed Rey to make great sammiches with training not,
    then truly awesome it would be.

  124. Joe says:

    I’m surprised to see anti-Semitic comments on this site. Does Dalrock condone this?

  125. Yoda says:

    Still a good Star Wars movie but not as good as the hype.

    In what way would this be?
    As a stealth reboot it would?

  126. Yoda says:

    Dare I say Michael Bay a better director for this he would be?

  127. Oscar says:

    @ Looking Glass says:
    January 2, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    “No explosions and no romantic drama.”

    Dude, it’s WWII. Shooting and explosions are built in. As for “romantic drama”; war doesn’t change human nature. In fact, people tend to seek out human connection even more intensely during times of existential crisis.

  128. Gunner Q says:

    Dave @ 7:38 am:
    “I know this might be a surprise, but for the observing eye, America is actually easier to change than it looks. … It’s no surprise that the Jews twist and turn the American leaders any way they want.”

    Then the real conspiracy isn’t “Da Jooz”, it’s that everybody with any power is voluntarily cooperating. Which is it? Is controlling the world so hard that only the “children of the Devil” can be held responsible or is it so easy that all anybody needs to do is oppose them?

    I feel like I’m arguing with a child… and I’m the one who’d rather talk about lightsabers!

  129. justdoit says:

    I really wish that this website has a like (and maybe even dislike) button for the comments. People post so many excellent comments, and I do not have time to thank all of them.

    How about it, Dalrock?

  130. Kevin says:

    I read all the comments. I think within the context of the Star Wars issue the race and gender of the heroes are meaningless. There have always been powerful women in Star Wars so that has not changed.

    As others have mentioned the retconning of Luke and the over powered nature of Ray would be bothersome whether she was make or female. It just makes no sense. We have seemed what a semi trained Jedi looks like fighting a Sith (Luke vs Darth Vader in their first confrontation) and it’s not pretty. I expected Kylo Ren to dominate her and to actually be saved by a green lightsaber – Luke’s from Return of the Jedi. He has returned from hiding because of the force awakening and saves her, trashes Kylo but spares his life because he cannot kill his padawan and flies off with Rey to continue her training. That establishes Luke as the master Jedi he is and appropriately establishes the relative power of the characters. I kept waiting for this scene and instead the silly one of her survive more than seconds against him.

    Anyway – still a good Star Wars movie. I do think the Empire is very wasteful. Destroying 5 planets with all the resources and human capital for show. So dumb. Building another big death machines. So dumb.

  131. Farm Boy says:

    Kevin,

    And you are good that it was essentially a remake?

    All that money, and all one gets is a rehash?

  132. JDG says:

    Isn’t it more accurate that America has been hijacked by the Jews? Aren’t these people the ones feeding the society with the smut of Hollywood, and shaping societal opinions through their propaganda machines (aka news outlets)?

    I don’t anyone is blaming “The Jews” for John Doe’s divorce, but the reality is that feminism was almost completely started, led and propagated by Jews.

    Odd that.

    Then I guess the next question should be: Were Jews also responsible for all the smut, decadence, and the feminist outbreak during the decline of the Roman Empire?

    A follow up question might be: Do Jews have meetings to plan all the notorious events they are accused of, or do the events just happen as a result of Jews going about their daily business?

    Yet another question: Who was responsible for the evil of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites, Jebusites and the Girgashites?

    I thought that feminism, though enabled by foolish men, was almost completely started, led and propagated by women (some Jewish, some Gentile).

    Also, no one forced the whole of society to swallow the smut seeping out of Hollywood, universities, and the like. To say the American populace is blameless is to say that all baby momma’s and cads are blameless for their fornication’s.

    Whether the men more successful at selling smut were Jewish or Gentile hardly seems relevant to me. Removing Jewish influence from society will do nothing to remove evil from men’s (and women’s) hearts.

    I am curious, did Obama also make a trip to Israel to pay homage? He doesn’t seem like a guy that likes “the Jews” either.

  133. JDG says:

    Another thought: Weren’t the scriptural warnings against “the Jews” in reference to those opposed to the Kingdom of God rather than worldly kingdoms, and weren’t those warnings given by Jewish men to many who were also of Jewish decent? If I remember correctly Paul never denied the fact that he was of Jewish descent, only its ability to save him from hell.

  134. desiderian says:

    “The larger point being, that Boxer, it isn’t wrong to note that Jews hold an extraordinary grip on our culture and society, and THEY have fought for the influx of 3rd world immigrants without restraint–which was grabbed upon by pathological altruists of N. European descent.”

    They do now because its a game they are extraordinarily skilled at playing. Also, as you note, because they themselves play by different rules.

    Those rules were originally set, however, by the pathological altruists themselves:

    https://nickbsteves.wordpress.com/american-malvern/

    Aka the founders of the American Empire.

  135. desiderian says:

    “Only people trying to reconcile PC BS With Christianity.”

    There can be no such reconciliation. So far, they’re hedging their bets. In the next film, the choice must be made.

  136. enrique says:

    JDG: The “meetings” rhetorical question is the classic straw man. There doesn’t need to be “meetings”, simply meetings of the mind and a requirement that when you are born into the tribe, you look out for the tribe, above all else–even your own personal interests in many cases (as we say, “is this good for us as a people?”). To be clear, OTHER races and ethnicity operate under essentially the same rules, sometimes more often at the micro level of the extended family unit, however, the issue is that the Left and Media (often working together) is inordinately run by Jews with a few WASPs thrown in here and there, and sometimes some liberal Catholics. Those same folks on the Left, CASTIGATE whites for ever thinking of their own self–interests (like fighting against busing when already paying a premium to live in a particular area)–yet all of Judaism is based upon self-interests. I know, because I grew up with it and rejected it based upon my own personal and religious beliefs.

    Zionism IS racism. You can call it self interest, but if that be so, then why is it so wrong for other cultures or races? Feminism was part of the chipping away at European culture, which had purposely excluded Jews, even in this last century, because of the underlying differences in the cultures. Prof. McDonald basically explains it much better in the above video. Btw, many Jews agree with the basic arguments that folks like Dave (or me) are making. The scene in The Believer, in the Synagogue (written in part by a Jew), covers this dichotomy of Jews doing one thing while claiming something else for some other group. At one point Danny notes the similarity in the writings if (I believe) Goebbels and some of the early Zionists. The writers inserted those lines to show the utter hypocrisy.

    Feminism in America is part of that same hypocrisy. ‘Who is a Jew?’, is decided by the gender-segregated Orthodox Jews/Rabbis in Israel…while close cousins in the US bash any Church perceived as treating men and women differently.

  137. Dragonfly says:

    cynthia “Women hate each other enough in real life. We’re all in competition with each other constantly. We need to feel like we’re superior to somebody. So the only thing that allows us to really tolerate one another, besides big age differences or familial relation, are each other’s flaws. I honestly think there’s something about these flawless female characters – who are thinner, prettier, with better LTR prospects – that is discomforting to female viewers as well. At least at some unconscious level.”

    ^This sounds like it’s just a envy issue to me. I don’t think all women resent other women who appear to have no flaws, because with maturity, you realize that no one has “no flaws,” even these actresses.

    As far as the “thinner, prettier, with better LTR prospects – that is discomforting to female viewers as well,” that wasn’t what made me not like this movie. I actually liked Ren, but I did think it was ridiculous that she’d be stronger than a male, and it was quite obvious that she was a better man than the black man (who sadly was not brave). You’re right that women WANT to see bravery from men, but it didn’t turn me off that Ren was also brave, just that the men (except the small role pilot) weren’t depicted as heroes. This bothers me since I have boys, I like them having positive male heroes in movies they’ll like to see. This movie obliterated any good role Luke and Han DID have in the past, by making them out to be weak now. That part… was horrible to me, much more than seeing a heroine.

    Since you pointed out that it’s her body and looks that bother you “thinner, prettier with better LTR prospects,” I don’t see how that wouldn’t apply across the board in Hollywood, (especially Bond girls LOL!), not just Star Wars. Is it more that you wish they’d show unattractive, heavier women for leading roles so that you would like them more?

  138. desiderian says:

    “This analysis does not even make sense in the context of the movie. Kyle Ren was in a Jedi training camp – a very ritualistic training with clear advancement and progression.”

    Rey, not Ren. Ren is a perfect illustration of the futility of trying the use the Force. All the training in the world ultimately availed him not. Not a bad symbol of our empty culture of credentialism.

    “This may be, but I found no indication of it in the ‘text’ as it were. That said, I only saw it once and probably won’t again, unless it’s one a plane or something.”

    What have I said which contradicts the text? Surely, all art speaks to deeper themes. Are we to be deaf out of despair?

    When I first heard of the plot before seeing the movie, what they did with Luke reminded me of Hari Seldon. After seeing how they filmed it, it brought to mind Lindisfarne.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindisfarne

  139. JDG says:

    There can be no such reconciliation.

    Exactly!

    So far, they’re hedging their bets. In the next film, the choice must be made.

    I suppose they are trying to reach the “Best Life Now” church attenders. Sadly their bet may pay off, but if it does it will be with heresy decorated in “Christian” trappings and not the real deal. I don’t care either way. Girl power (females acting like men) is always BS. Some aptly mentioned girls in drag above. I concur.

  140. bob k. mando says:

    Forge the Sky says: January 2, 2016 at 12:08 am
    Then he does it again. And she yells at him again.

    if you notice, SHE subsequently grabs *his* hand several times and drags him around. of course, he, as a man, is not permitted even to comment on this.

    nick012000 says: January 2, 2016 at 4:40 pm
    It’s really not. Women are followers; they don’t really possess much, if any, real initiative of their own.

    considering the arc of this comment thread, this assertion is truly amusing. the Jews, perhaps more than any other know that this is a lie:
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=proverbs+21%3A9+&version=KJV
    “It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house.”

    and who was it that infiltrated the schools and television and movies and teaches girls / women at every turn that they should be screeching and demanding and emasculating … because that’s how they demonstrate their femininity and Womyn power?

    isn’t that strange?

    Luke needed training because he sought to use the Force for his own purposes. Rey didn’t because the Force was using her for His own purposes.

    Yoda says: 3, 2016 at 11:31 am
    Anybody believe this they do?

    if by ‘Luke’ he means ‘every previous Jedi in the history of the StarWarsverse’, then sure, ok.

    but i think we all know that the only real meta- reason she didn’t need training was because … she’s an all powerful Womyn.

    one really stupid thing about LucasMorality that i’m sure somebody else has to have mentioned by now … it’s asserted many times that ‘the Force requires balance’ …

    well, aren’t the Sith the counterbalance to the Jedi?

    IF a Jedi exists somewhere,
    THEN wouldn’t the dumbass ‘balance’ requirement means that the Force would create a Sith out of whole cloth if necessary?

    and, by the same token, wouldn’t the inverse be true?

    the unspoken ugly truth of the StarWarsVerse is this:
    all this war and destruction and conflict is happening because ‘the Force’ wants it that way.

  141. Robin Munn says:

    Dave,

    I want to be polite, so I will refrain from saying what I really think of you. But your “irrefutable” claims about how Jews are running everything are not only false, they are laughably false. You should retract them and apologize for them, but I know you will not; you wouldn’t have called your false claims “irrefutable” if you were prepared to listen to any refutation, so I won’t waste my time refuting you.

    I will, however, refute your false use of Scripture. You said that the Jews were those whom Christ called “the synagogue of Satan”. But you have mishandled the Word. In Revelation 3:9, Christ says, “I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.” The Word says the opposite of what you claimed it did. For that, at least, I WILL demand an apology and a retraction from you.

  142. Escoffier says:

    “What have I said which contradicts the text?”

    It’s not that what you’ve said necessarily contradicts the text. It’s that, if this is what the “auteurs” really intended, they left no textual clues to indicate that. Hence your interpretation would–if true–be either fantastic intuition or a lucky guess. Personally, I don’t believe it is true because I don’t think any of those themes cross any of their minds.

    Contrast that with the original, for which Lucas–guided by Joseph Campbell–studied all sorts of ancient religions and mythologies in order to get ideas and inspiration. I don’t see it in the latest one.

    In any case, even if what you say is true, it would still contradict the mythology of the original. Sort if the way “midichlorians” (sp?) did.

  143. Robin Munn says:

    Okay, one more reply to Dave.

    Dave, if you claim that the Jews are no longer God’s chosen people, but he has abandoned the promises He made to them, then you stand in direct opposition to the apostle Paul. Read Romans 9-11, first quickly to get the overview, then more slowly to get the nuances. Especially Romans 11:1 (“I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means!”), Romans 11:11-12 (“So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion mean!”), Romans 11:17-18 (“But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, do not be arrogant toward the branches …”), Romans 11:25-26 (“Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved …”), and Romans 11:28-29 (“As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.”)

    You are not entirely wrong — many of the Jews did reject Christ — which is why your error is going to be hard to persuade you of. But you are deeply, profoundly wrong to say that God has rejected Israel, and that the Jews are no longer (and/or never were) God’s chosen people.

  144. @ Dave:

    Your blame-the-Jews straw man is really getting old. As previously articulated upthread, how could such a small percentage of the American population be so superior in intelligence and savvy that the vast majority of non-Jews would just follow the lead of the Jews without any forethought or demonstration of moral agency? In fact your assertion is so illogical and outlandish that a female on this patriarchy blog accurately publicly corrected you.

  145. JDG says:

    em>There doesn’t need to be “meetings”, simply meetings of the mind and a requirement that when you are born into the tribe, you look out for the tribe, above all else

    So it happens as they go about their daily affairs.

    To be clear, OTHER races and ethnicity operate under essentially the same rules,

    Here I agree. I’ve personally seen this tribal (racist?) mentality play out with hispanics, blacks, and whites time and again. One of my oldest friends is hispanic, yet he wouldn’t think twice about putting his “mexican” brothers in front of me (note I didn’t say he was my best friend). Why is it any worse when “the Jews” do it?

    Those same folks on the Left, CASTIGATE whites for ever thinking of their own self–interests (like fighting against busing when already paying a premium to live in a particular area)–yet all of Judaism is based upon self-interests.

    Actually, as far as I can tell, they castigate white males rather than whites in general. IThough I claim no expertise in this, to my knowledge all societies, tribes, and groups (save one) are based on self-interest.

    Zionism IS racism. You can call it self interest, but if that be so, then why is it so wrong for other cultures or races?

    Racism is currently defined as thinking one race is superior to another. I think to believe that one race is superior to another is to believe a lie. Granted different races excel in different areas, but that does not men one is over all superior to the other.

    Given the above paragraph, I’m not if sure the current definition for racist is correct.

    What do we call someone who prefers one race over another without believing themselves superior (like my hispanic friend)? Although I don’t think this way, I don’t have a problem with people who do. Historically this type of racism and self interest have often gone hand in hand (and often still does).

    So to answer your question, I don’t think it’s wrong for other cultures and races. Yet must I repeat the obvious that PC and feminism are not the sole property of “the Jews”?

    Feminism in America is part of that same hypocrisy. ‘Who is a Jew?’, is decided by the gender-segregated Orthodox Jews/Rabbis in Israel…while close cousins in the US bash any Church perceived as treating men and women differently.

    And hopefully genuine Christians everywhere could care less. Evil was in the world long before “the Jews” were a thing. When Satan isn’t using Jews, he is using Gentiles.

  146. The Jack Russell Terrorist says:

    Star Wars. Light sabres! In the context of the movie, you shouldn’t bring a light sabre to a ray gun fight. In Indiana Jones, a man was waving his scimitar around and Indiana Jones pulled out his revolver and finished him off. I don’t see swords as being equipment a modern army uses today, let alone the future.

  147. Robin Munn says:

    What do we call someone who prefers one race over another without believing themselves superior (like my hispanic friend)? Although I don’t think this way, I don’t have a problem with people who do. Historically this type of racism and self interest have often gone hand in hand (and often still does).

    I’d call it tribalism. Sarah Hoyt has a pretty good blog post on immigrants and assimilation from about a month and a half ago. She doesn’t define tribalism in that post, but she does talk about it, why it’s a natural tendency, and why it should be resisted (somewhat) if you want to be emotionally healthy as an immigrant:

    http://accordingtohoyt.com/2015/11/22/prepare-to-be-assimilated/

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  149. Kevin says:

    @Farm Boy
    Well no one asked me my input up front or we would have a very different movie. For one – no way the Gillian’s waste another quadrillion on a planet killing stupid weapon. My guess is JJA next has the First Order winning, the villains prevail and Luke gets killed. Then in the 3rd movie the Jedi win to essentially replay the original trilogy. JJA essentially remade Star Trek 2 with whole portions having the same dialogue. JJA knows how to show cool things happening on screen but going all the way back to Lost he does not seem to have the ability to think about why they happen or what makes sense.

    @mando
    This is a very good point but there is another option which may be the way these movies are heading – balance requires those who use the Force to have portions of the Light and Dark and the absolutes the Jedi imposed are the imbalance. The force will be balanced when that happens and Daryh Vader failed in his mission. In that story the new girl IS the real messiah. But part of me suspects Disney prefer good and evil. I laughed when in phantom menace a Jedi declares that Anakin is the savior who will balance the force when there are 500 Jedi and 1-2 Sith. Uh that means Jedi genocide….

  150. desiderian says:

    “one really stupid thing about LucasMorality”

    Lucas sold the franchise. We’re post-Lucas.

    “In any case, even if what you say is true, it would still contradict the mythology of the original. Sort if the way “midichlorians” (sp?) did.”

    Of course, that was my point. And it does so in a way that is uniquely Christian.

    “I suppose they are trying to reach the ‘Best Life Now’ church attenders.”

    Not likely.

    Christianity is true to the full human experience in a way that mere Materialism or even the most enlightened Buddhism are not.

    Those who seek for truth are likely to eventually stumble upon It.

    In any case, the ‘Best Life Now’ attenders are part of the problem. The solution lies with those not yet in the pews. The Reys (and yes, Rens) who have never known Christ.

  151. JDG says:

    Luke needed training because he sought to use the Force for his own purposes. Rey didn’t because the Force was using her for His own purposes.

    of course, that was my point. And it does so in a way that is uniquely Christian.

    In this latest edition of PC malarkey did they actually refer to the force as a “him”?

    Call me skeptical, yet if you say so I’ll take your word for it. If they did not (again call me skeptical) why should this be seen as “uniquely Christian”, even when considering the masculine girl’s point of view?

    Without the masculine monotheistic reference I would think this simply another pagan (new age) rendition of a different flavor.

    Or did I miss something else you were getting at (which I admit is more than possible).

  152. HayeksGhost says:

    Cue Insta-lanche

  153. JDG says:

    “I suppose they are trying to reach the ‘Best Life Now’ church attenders.”

    Not likely.

    Christianity is true to the full human experience in a way that mere Materialism or even the most enlightened Buddhism are not.

    Those who seek for truth are likely to eventually stumble upon It.

    I find it difficult to believe that Disney is actually concerned about the truth (actual real truth as in Jesus died for our sins) except perhaps to keep others from finding it.

    In any case, the ‘Best Life Now’ attenders are part of the problem. The solution lies with those not yet in the pews. The Reys (and yes, Rens) who have never known Christ. But Disney could make a bundle off of the “Make your own reality” believers. Others already have, so why would they pass that up?

  154. The Question says:

    “The Force Awakens is a weakly written script so we never find out what precisely motivates Ren, but judging by his behavior, his hostility and confusion might stem from the lack of male initiation. That is to say, Han Solo may have been hyper driving around the galaxy when he should have been raising his son.”

    This speculating is made all the more ridiculous by the fact that it concerns a fictional character in a fictional universe. Ren isn’t real. The Force isn’t real. Han Solo isn’t real. Neither is Leia or anyone else in the Star Wars film. Judge speaks as though there is a real backstory, not one which scriptwriters put together based on their own ideas. He acts as though if we later find out in the next film that Han abandoned or ignored Ren as a child it would somehow be an indictment against fathers in our culture rather than a reflection of what the writers wanted to do with the character.

    Art is a reflection of values, and this film was a reflection of the values of the people who made it. Why doesn’t Judge inquire as to why the filmmakers had Han killed by his own son? Why would they portray a father-son relationship like this?

  155. Mary Sue versus Emo Darth doesn’t really grab me as something to hang a franchise on.

  156. kkollwitz says:

    I worry that this sort of movie encourages my grandsons to think it’s ok to fight with girls.

  157. JDG says:

    Why doesn’t Judge inquire as to why the filmmakers had Han killed by his own son? Why would they portray a father-son relationship like this?

    Because Mr. Judge is a feminist, and Disney is an organization that adheres to PC with a strong emphasis in feminism. Positive masculine male role models are taboo, and if father’s are to be involved at all then seriously messed up father son relationships are mandatory (and not to be questioned by the likes of you… or me).

  158. The Force Awakens is a movie that portrays various characters. This is not reality!!!

  159. enrique says:

    JDG, if you don’t think the majority of Jews think they are superior to gentiles, you are very naive. And they feel that way about both men and women (‘Shiksa’). Have you never heard (as I have, as a born Jew, who converted to Sufism), Jews refer to Gentiles as “talking animals”? Please. You know not of what you speak.

    It’s not about blaming all Jews, but it is about recognizing that Jews have an inordinate influence on American culture, much of which is negative (some positive, particularly in science), and that Feminism was part and parcel of the increasing Jewish influence in American culture.

    Most of the early feminists and most visible ones the last few decades, were Jews: Betty Friedan, Susan Sontag, Gloria Steinem, Sheryl Sandberg, Gertrude Stein, Naomi Wolf, Erica Jong, Susan Brownmiller, Judy Blume, Bella Abzug, Rachel Adler, Gloria Allred, Andrea Dworkin, Susan Estrich, Susan Faludi, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Elana Kagan, Naomi Klein, Virginia Postrel.

  160. SC Willson says:

    Wimpy and uninteresting villains. (Kylo Ren mostly reminded me of Pajama Boy) Mary Sue heroine. A childish “general” for the bad guys. And when do we get to the Stormtrooper Lives Matter protests?

    It was better than the prequels, but that’s not saying much. Indeed, the entire movie was essentially was a reboot of the original Star Wars. It was so blatantly a ripoff it even started on a desert planet.

  161. JDG says:

    I worry that this sort of movie encourages my grandsons to think it’s ok to fight with girls.

    If I were you I’d be more worried about how this movie is going to encourage girls to treat your grandson. Especially considering the laws of the society in which your grandson is being raised.

  162. jobsthethree says:

    Gary Cooper in High Noon
    That is a man by definition

  163. Anon says:

    The Instapundit commenters are bashing Dalrock, with the usual ‘I don’t think he ever met a Christian or a conservative’ and the ‘in his short life’ tripe (I didn’t know mid-40s = ‘short life’).

    Bashing a man is easy. Standing up to FI is vastly more courageous.

  164. JDG says:

    JDG, if you don’t think the majority of Jews think they are superior to gentiles, you are very naive.

    I don’t claim to know what the majority of any nationality thinks. Perhaps I am naive as you say, and perhaps not. Either way God will judge all unbelievers, Jew and Gentile alike.

    It’s not about blaming all Jews, but it is about recognizing that Jews have an inordinate influence on American culture,

    I neither affirm nor deny this. I really don’t think it matters if the vessels of evil are Jews, Gentiles, or both. Feminism came to the Roman Empire without the help of a Jewish establishment, so what if it came to the Western world through one (I am not affirming or denying this). The devil has used Jew and Gentile alike.

    I find it impossible to believe that if Hitler had succeeded in his maniacal and genocidal agenda that feminism would have ceased to exist. Those terrible seeds were planted at lease during the Siècle des Lumières and possibly earlier. Following that, by the 1850s, the march for suffrage had already started, the lies about male oppression already being told, and the ball was rolling. The rebellious Jewish women on that list weren’t even born yet.

  165. Teapartydoc says:

    I think you have us Christian conservatives who are family patriarchs mixed up with egg sucking mainline protestants and cuckolded megachurch idiots listening to jazz bands in churches with broads in blue jeans giving the communion meditation. A lot of us pray with our families, but can hardly bring ourselves to step into our old home churches anymore because we can’t stand to watch others worshipping themselves while falsely claiming to praise God. I personally think Marx was right when he said the church would be stronger in a totally secular society. Tax them out of existence and force them back into the homes they started in. Tax ALL nonprofits out of business, including and especially the university foundations.

  166. JDG says:

    Gary Cooper in High Noon
    That is a man by definition

    John Wayne had some objections to that movie. I think he made a good point. Perhaps I agree with him because I can remember an America that is vastly different from the one we live in now.

    He talks about High Noon starting at 3:12.

  167. desiderian says:

    “John Wayne had some objections to that movie.”

    Not nearly enough to that loathsome interviewer. His God-forsaken generation will soon be riding into the sunset. Not a moment too soon.

  168. desiderian says:

    “A lot of us pray with our families, but can hardly bring ourselves to step into our old home churches anymore because we can’t stand to watch others worshipping themselves while falsely claiming to praise God.”

    If you’re a patriarch and it was your home church, why did you allow this to happen?

    Standing and watching are not what patriarchs are called by God to do.

  169. JDG says:

    The Instapundit commenters are bashing Dalrock, with the usual ‘I don’t think he ever met a Christian or a conservative’

    How many of those guys have actually read a Bible without explaining away or skipping over those “difficult” passages?

  170. desiderian says:

    “How many of those guys have actually read a Bible without explaining away or skipping over those ‘difficult’ passages?”

    I know, what a complete clusterf*ck.

    As I said, the solution lies in those not yet in the pews. We’re missing our heart and our brains. God help us if we need wisdom.

  171. desiderian says:

    “I find it difficult to believe that Disney is actually concerned about the truth”

    Disney’s not the only one involved. Disney’s why she’s still a Mary Sue.

    Whether she becomes more than that (and, hopefully, less) depends on the next picture, and thus on where the Zeitgeist is then. The Heilger Geist is also not without His say in the matter.

  172. buckwheaton says:

    Liberals drive on the same streets, eat in the same fast food joints, vote in same elections, post on the same comments as I do. But liberals live in a totally different world, a world of their own making that is far more fantasy than it is true. I live as much as I can in the real world, no matter how hard that may be.

    In the real world, most women do not have as much physical strength as most men do. In the real world, most women are more nurturing than most men are. In the real world far more women would find some catastrophe to be emotionally overwhelming than the number of men who would. In the real world, those who are stronger and more capable must protect those who are not. In the real world trying to be as capable as a person of the opposite sex in some important ways is an unnatural act that can only be achieved with great expenditure of effort and a willingness to redefine reality. When we make the grave mistake of putting women in combat, for example, I fully expect to see far higher rates of emotional scars like PTSD as a result.

  173. JDG says:

    Whether she becomes more than that (and, hopefully, less) depends on the next picture, and thus on where the Zeitgeist is then.

    It would be something to see feminism do a back flip on itself, but I won’t hold my breath.

    The Heilger Geist is also not without His say in the matter.

    Always, provided He chooses to have one.

  174. http://therationalmale.com/2015/12/21/storytelling/

    What Star Wars and other long established story franchises represent to the prophets of the Feminine Imperative is twofold. First and foremost they represent familiar vehicles into which the ideological messaging of the imperative can be palatably digested. Second, they represent opportunities of the retribution and restitution for perceived wrongs that feminism has always sought after.

    Paint it Pink

    As I mentioned earlier, these classic feminine-interpreted remakes are glaring examples of the lack of any truly creative storytelling for some time. I had to laugh a bit when I’d seen that The Mighty Thor (classic conventional masculine archetype) had been “bravely” replaced by a female Thor in the comics recently. The story formula remains the same, but the gender is swapped. Not for nothing, but if Marvel were truly ‘brave’ about a gender swap they’d make Red Sonja a ginger male barbarian who goes around wantonly killing women to prove he’s as good as any woman in combat.

    However, the gender swaps, the killing of long established, storied masculine characters, and the appropriation of classic, heroic masculine story formulae (even all-male comedies) all represent the jealous need to retell and rehash in a way that denies and discredits Male Space. The attempts (like Star Wars) are feeble retellings of exactly the same stories with women characters and women’s interests inserted into what formerly accounted for male space storytelling.

    Blue Pill readers may read this last assertion and think, well, that’s kind of a stretch, but what you should ask yourselves is why those well established franchises are such attractive, more attractive, endeavors than making the efforts to create a new story to tell that conveys the same, feminine primary, social narrative? Why remake Mad Max as a woman? Why give Thor a sex change rather than create a new character in a new franchise that embodies the same ideals the imperative hopes will ride on the old ones?

    Because that ideology, by and of itself, is neither believable nor admirable to men. Those bastardized, contrived notions of feminine empowerment are only legitimized in a world, fantasy or otherwise, that was created by men. So we get a girl Jedi (my guess is Disney will eventually make Rey a princess) who is all things to everything. And we get a bumbling, reluctant male “hero” who’s stumbles along needing her aid at every obstacle. Compare the character of Finn with that of Han Solo and you begin to understand why Solo needs to die when the Star Wars franchise playground passes into the hands of a director who’s been steeped in feminine-primacy for a lifetime.

  175. plot holes you could drive a star destroyer thru … a planet based weapon that consumes its own star to fire once … is fired twice in the movie …

  176. jobsthethree says:

    Yes, we will be responding soon to you and others that reject Natural Law.
    God judges. We perform His Justice.

  177. desiderian says:

    “It would be something to see feminism do a back flip on itself, but I won’t hold my breath.”

    As Dal notes, feminism has become little more than women acting like men. There are plenty of men, including yours’ truly, who’ve gotten tired of glorified effeminacy, embracing their masculinity and finding greater peace and happiness. I don’t see why women can’t, or won’t, do likewise in the opposite direction.

    Well, I’m aware of why, I’m just saying that I wouldn’t be surprised if it happens anyway. I’ve already seen it in the rising generation.

    If Rey becomes more fully a Marian figure (or at least more fully human, complete with flaws and true femininity), it will be due to a resurgence among women of the appreciation for femininity and, ultimately, maternity.

    So far all we have is Gabriel leading her to a lightsaber.

  178. Ah yes, there is NOTHING wrong with White women, nothing at all, just those devious Jews and their mind control rays. Why, the Fuhrer was right, they’re mind controlling women right now forcing them into sluttery!

    That’s the basic tack of most idiot anti-Semites. They refuse to look at the real driver — the devaluation of beta male provision and the disgust women have for beta males and the lust they have for Alphas. There is a picture on Heartiste’s site that tells a thousand words, cuckold German man, swarthy and well fed Syrian refugee he’s taken in, and next to the Syrian an attractive German woman, blonde, the cuckold’s wife, with a wide shit eating grin.

    Kevin McDonald is like those Platonic astronomers, creating ever greater complexity to explain the planet’s retrograde motion. It couldn’t be that the Earth and the planets all revolved around the Sun! It just HAD to be the Earth at the center of the Universe and it just has to be that devious Jewish plot to flood America and Europe with Muslims since the affinity of Jews for Muslims and living amongst Muslims is well known.

    But lets ignore the pill, condom, anonymous urban living, rising income of women, and consequent massive devaluation of beta male provision, and costless pursuit of Alpha males among women. Lets ignore the fundamentals and peddle the Protocols of the Elders of Zion because its the Furher’s birthday or something and he could dance the pants off Churchill.

    Yes, after all Jews never invented anything like Relativity or the Atomic Bomb or anything like that.
    —————————–
    As for Star Wars, it is a meaningless flop. Yes, a flop. What, you think box office means much? Seen any Avatar sequels, or Titanic sequels? Those were the previous box office champs and why did they not milk them like Jaws 3-D the Revenge or all those 70s disaster movies?

    Because the real money is in the toys. Avatar sucked, in that it sold no toys. No toys to kids in China, in Europe, in Japan, and the US, the only place that buys its kids toys. Disney made a mint in Frozen, last year it pulled in $1 billion in revenue a year after it left the theater. Disney also lost a ton of money on the Black princess animated movie it made.

    This is that. A kick ass Mary Sue perfect warrior women will sell no toys to boys. Or to girls; they prefer to be real Princesses with magic powers and sister, like Frozen. Also with lots and lots of singing. China has already photoshopped John Bodega nearly out of the promotional poster.

    Yeah, with mega promotion lots of people went out and saw the movie. I’d expect that Disney spent about half a dollar at least for every dollar in box office revenue. With taking only half, they probably break even. Maybe.

    Disney stock is down, on ESPN continuing to suffer cable cutting. As Star Wars sets news box office records. When it comes to actual money, Wall Street has discounted the box office and is looking at merchandising sales to at the very least not prop up the effect of lost ESPN subscribers.

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  180. mrteebs says:

    Grrrrrllll Power / feminist themes are all the rage in Hollywood right now, and actually have been for several years. Disney / Pixar continues to ensure that girls understand not only is there nothing they can’t do, but can also do better than any man. But it is by no means limited to Disney. Some of the more recent ones (last 3 years) that come to mind, in addition to Star Wars TFA…

    – Jupiter Ascending
    – The Hunger Games
    – How to Train Your Dragon 2
    – The Minions
    – The Martian
    – Mission Impossible – Rogue Nation
    – Pitch Perfect 2
    – Tomorrowland
    – Brave
    – Lucy
    – Interstellar
    – Gravity
    – Frozen

    Google “feminist” along with the name of the movie and what you will see by and large is feminist outrage that these did not go far enough in depicting Strong, Independent Women ™. Disney, for example, has the gall to make their princesses pretty, which of course can’t be tolerated.

    I actually liked the movie Gravity because Clooney was portrayed as a hero without the obligatory backstory to compensate for his heroism by explaining how he is deeply flawed in some way and not totally worthy of our admiration. One feminist, however, was in a boiling rage because the smartest girl in the room was still not as smart as the dead guy:

    http://chavelaque.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-feminist-thing-that-irritated-hell.html

  181. mrteebs says:

    How to Train Your Dragon 2, for example, did a masterful job of retconning the first installment to ensure we understand that men are good only to the extent that they follow the lead of women or interpret the world through the eyes of women.

  182. JDG says:

    One feminist, however, was in a boiling rage because the smartest girl in the room was still not as smart as the dead guy:

    Normally, if I see names such as Sandra Bullock or George Clooney mentioned, I don’t even bother to read what ever follows let alone watch a movie featuring such people. Hence before reading this I knew nothing about this movie except it’s title and that some fembot progressive female was portraying a woman doing a man’s job. Nothing new there and nothing I wanted to waste my time on.

    After reading the 1st part of that harpies screed and how angry the movie made her, I just might make a trip to the video store and take a look.

  183. mrteebs says:

    @ Rollo,

    Because that ideology, by and of itself, is neither believable nor admirable to men. Those bastardized, contrived notions of feminine empowerment are only legitimized in a world, fantasy or otherwise, that was created by men.

    Precisely.

    Telling the story from scratch isn’t nearly as effective, and supremely satisfying to FI, as hijacking it and repurposing in the brave new world.

  184. desiderian says:

    “After reading the 1st part of that harpies screed and how angry the movie made her, I just might make a trip to the video store and take a look.”

    The Descendents is similar.

  185. JDG says:

    I googled The Descendents and found this:

    Which I thought was an apt reply for the harpies screed.

    Then I went to the auto corrected option The Descendants, which was this:

    It would really suck to be the guy Clooney is playing in that film.

  186. ray says:

    “Telling the story from scratch isn’t nearly as effective, and supremely satisfying to FI, as hijacking it and repurposing in the brave new world.”

    Right. As in politics, academia, etc., their satisfaction comes not via creation, but through dumping resentment, and the taking of vengeance on BadWhiteMale World. Fatherhood and family are further eroded and destroyed under cover of equality, protecting and liberating females, boss-roostering, the usual.

    ‘Rey’ huh? Sounds kinda desperate. Hey maybe the next Kickass Kelluloid Kutie, they should name her Jesus? Or Moses or something? Get Kitty Jenner or Neal Patrick Harris to play . . . it. Wow that’d sure show us! :O)

  187. Dave says:

    @Robin Munn:

    Dave,

    I want to be polite, so I will refrain from saying what I really think of you.

    What you think of me is irrelevant; respond to what you think about my assertions. Which of them is false?

    But your “irrefutable” claims about how Jews are running everything are not only false, they are laughably false.

    Really?

    1. Who owns Fox News Network? Rupert Murdock, a Jew
    2. Who owns CBS, MTV, BET, Paramount Pictures? Sumner Redstone, a Jew
    3. Who runs ABC and Disney? Stanley Gold, a Jew

    I could go on, but you get the gist. Jews unilaterally shape America’s opinions, from the cradle to the grave. There is virtually no information being passed to or through Americans, unless filtered and approved by the Jews. Jews tell Americans what to think and how to think it. Who do you think sold feminism and homosexuality to America? None other than the Jews.

    In any society, once you own the media, entertainment and commerce, you can control and direct that society and influence its culture anyhow you want. Jews own the media and Hollywood. The biggest digital store in America is Amazon, which is owned by…..a Jew. Investment banking is a Jewish forte. Even of late, the biggest social network is owned by a Jew.

    And how about the legal and educational systems? Jews are overrepresented on the Supreme Court. They are only 1.5% of the population but make up 33% of the Supremes. Again, I could go on, but I’d like to await your counterarguments.

    Which of the above statements is false?

    And, seriously, I am not really against hard work, which often leads to promotion. What I object to is the Jews using their influence to corrupt the American society and the world.

    http://www.golivewire.com/forums/img.cgi?s=166353

    The Word says the opposite of what you claimed it did. For that, at least, I WILL demand an apology and a retraction from you.

    Actually, no; you don’t get an apology from me; I quoted the Word exactly as it was written:

    I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
    Revelation 2:9

    Jesus was referring to the Jews in Smyrna; the passage you quoted refers to the Jews in Philadelphia:

    Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Revelation 3:9.

  188. Michael says:

    I am actually a cinematographer who is becoming red pill, starting to change the way I write for sure

  189. Dave says:

    Dave, if you claim that the Jews are no longer God’s chosen people, but he has abandoned the promises He made to them, then you stand in direct opposition to the apostle Paul.

    First and foremost, none of God’s promises is unconditional. Please take some time to read the Scriptures and you will quickly realize this. There is not a single promise made by God to man generally, or to the Jews in particular, that does not have a condition, or a set of conditions attached to them. And God will always keep His end of the promise if man (or the Jews in this case), kept theirs. But we all knew that the Jews did not keep their ends of God’s promises, and therefore God was not expected to keep His.

    Throughout Scripture, whenever a recipient of His promises failed to keep their ends, God generally broke the promises made. This has always been God’s MO. Case in point: His dealings with Prophet Eli:

    Wherefore the Lord God of Israel saith, I said indeed that thy house, and the house of thy father, should walk before me for ever: but now the Lord saith, Be it far from me; for them that honour me I will honour, and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed. 1 Sam 2:30 (KJV)

    Here we see that God summarily canceled His promise made earlier to the Prophet, because the latter failed to keep his end of the bargain.

    Read this passage from Mark.
    God has taken away the vineyard from the Jews, and given it to the Church. In other words, God has replaced the Jews with the Church of Jesus Christ as His chosen people. These are the ones bringing Him the fruits of their lips in praises. The Jews have repeatedly stuck their fingers in God’s eyes, and therefore God is no longer obligated to keep them as His special people. They even went so far as to murder His son, and brought a generational curse upon themselves and their offspring forever.

    24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.
    Matt 27:24-25 (KJV)

    The Church is the new chosen people. The passage below was not written to the Jews, but to believers in Christ:

    But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. 1 Pet 2:9-10 (KJV)

    If you take the time to read the entire passage (i.e. 1 Peter 2), you will discover the following facts:
    1. The Church is the Holy Priesthood (vs 5)
    2. The Church is to offer spiritual sacrifices (vs 5)
    3. These sacrifices are the only ones acceptable to God going forward (vs 5)
    4. Jesus Christ is the Chief Corner stone, or the High Priest (vs 6. See also Hebrews 4:14)
    5. This Stone has stumbled the Jews, in that they did not believe in Him (vs 7)
    6. This Stone was “disallowed” by the Jews, but God promoted Him anyhow (vs 8)
    7. Those who do not believe in Christ are termed “disobedient” (vs 8).
    8. The Church is the Chosen Generation (vs 9)
    9. The Church is the Royal Priesthood (vs 9)
    10. The Church is the Holy Nation (vs 9)
    11. The Church is a Peculiar people (vs 9)
    12. Those who [mostly] constitute The Church were formerly in darkness (i.e. they were mostly Gentiles, or “goyim”) (vs 9)
    13. Those who [mostly] constitute The Church were not previously considered God’s people (vs 10)
    14. Although not natural Abrahamic seed, the members of the Church are no longer considered Gentiles, and must therefore not live like one (vs 12)
    15. The Church constitutes the new Brotherhood (vs 17)

  190. Dave says:

    @Robin Munn:

    Dave, if you claim that the Jews are no longer God’s chosen people, but he has abandoned the promises He made to them, then you stand in direct opposition to the apostle Paul. Read Romans 9-11

    I’ve addressed the role of the Church replacing the Jews upthread .

    Lots to dissect from the above passage, but the summary of my arguments is this (and it is supported by Apostle Paul and other NT writers): only a small percentage of “natural” Jews will eventually be saved; the rest will be lost. Paul felt terrible about this revelation, and he fervently prayed to God about it (See Romans 10:1). The only proof that God has not cast away Israel is that He will call some of them to believe on Christ and be saved. Nothing else.

    Only few Jews will be saved:
    “Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:” Romans 9:27

    “And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.” Romans 9:29

    Jesus Christ has become the Stumblingblock and the Rock of offence to the Jews: they reject Christ at their own peril.

    As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Romans 9:33

    God has not cast away the Jews because He calls some of them to believe on Christ:
    The only proof that God has not cast away the Jews is that He still calls some of them to become Christians. Paul himself held out his faith in Christ as the proof of God’s love for Israel. We must remember that no one can come to Christ unless God the Father draws that person (see John 6:44)

    At the same time, the Jews are no longer “God’s chosen people”. The Church is.

  191. Yoda says:

    weak-men-screwing-star-wars-feminism-up

    Is this not what feminism does desire?
    To create weak men?

  192. God is Laughing says:

    http://www.jewishquarterly.org/issuearchive/articled325.html?articleid=38

    I know lets talk about the largest grossing movie in the history of the world, ad nauseum that is produced by a company demonstrably run by a particular group and directed by a member of that group and make the argument that they are not culturally relevant.

    Funny stuff.

  193. Dave says:

    @GunnerQ:

    I feel like I’m arguing with a child…

    Sorry. My fault. If you want people to understand a concept, sometimes you have to break it down for them. Even then, some people will still remain willfully ignorant, refuse to see the obvious, and claim it is all “conspiracy theories”.

  194. Dave says:

    I know lets talk about the largest grossing movie in the history of the world, ad nauseum that is produced by a company demonstrably run by a particular group and directed by a member of that group and make the argument that they are not culturally relevant.

    Of course they are not culturally relevant; they are only going about their businesses, hurting nobody. God’s chosen, peaceful people, you see

  195. God is Laughing says:

    @Dave, Disciples of Balaam.

    We also don’t talk about CBMW or the Kendrick brothers because when culture affects our families it’s our job to ignore its provenance.

  196. fatmanjudo says:

    Rey pronounced “Ray” of light. Luke = Lucian = Lucifer = all from the latin root Lux. Thus, Rey is an emanation of the the light bringer. Or more plainly Ray is a child of Luke. The back story is told in the names.
    The original series is based upon “A Hero with a Thousand Faces” by Joseph Campbell. The book demonstrates that all the myths are the same story. Which is why the Star Wars story approaches religious devotion. A boy (Luke, Arthur) faces a challenge and then gets assistance from an old male character (Obi Wan, Merlin) who teaches/guides him what he needs to know in order to overcome the challenge and fulfill his destiny. Also thrown in are archetypes Old Wizard in the desert (probably partially derived from the West’s Middle Eastern’s involvement with the Assassin’s sect during the crusades). The Old Wizard is the prophet archetype who is a true believer of the old ways. He (The Hero) becomes involved with the action oriented middle aged character (Han Solo) who is the Nomad archetype that does not believe in any of that old religion of the Wizard, as all that old stuff is outdated in the Nomad’s world. (See generally “The Fourth Turning” by Strauss and Howe, who applied these ideas to political theory.) The three of them become the unbeatable combination of the guidance of the prophet, with the pragmatism of the Nomad and the energy/belief of the youth. The youth then synthesizes the two influences to fulfill his destiny and become the Hero. This is after all, the story of every boy who seeks to become a man.

    All martial arts instructors take time to instill “martial values” into their students. To do otherwise is to create a monster. The man who achieves new martial powers must make a choice as to whether such martial powers are used for the betterment of the community or his own personal aggrandizement. The apprentice must choose between the dark and light side of the force. He must choose between his two Fathers. (Also see the movie Platoon with Charlie Sheen who has two father figures in the sergeants – Berenger, Dafoe).

    The new movie has at its center a female character. Females become women by time only. They do not become women by having to apprentice under a mystic and middle aged “doer”. There is no test of Manhood. They Just Are. As demonstrated by every Princess movie ever put out by Disney, they are entitled to their station by nothing more than circumstances of birth.

    Thus, the new movie by forgoing all the convention of the first movie (the heroes journey) is true to the natural world, but totally betrays the heroic narrative. This is the crux of peoples (and my) problem with the movie.

  197. desiderian says:

    “Sorry. My fault. If you want people to understand a concept, sometimes you have to break it down for them. Even then, some people will still remain willfully ignorant, refuse to see the obvious, and claim it is all ‘conspiracy theories’.”

    People like Dave, for instance.

  198. desiderian says:

    “Is this not what feminism does desire?
    To create weak men?”

    Women famously don’t know what they want.

  199. desiderian says:

    “Thus, the new movie by forgoing all the convention of the first movie (the heroes journey) is true to the natural world, but totally betrays the heroic narrative.”

    Does the Christmas Story betray the heroic narrative too, then?

    In that story, it’s is God himself who is the Hero, the motive force. Awakening in a sense from at least 400 years (roughly the Intertestamental Period) of silence.

  200. Tam the Bam says:

    @Dave: ” Who owns Fox News Network? Rupert Murdock, a Jew”
    Intriguing. The Jews seem to disagree.
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/nov/19/rupert-murdoch-jews-twitter

    Rev. Patrick John Murdoch ( son of a Free Kirk minister) m. Annie Brown (dau. of a Presbyterian minister) from Aberdeenshire, Scotland.

    Son Keith married Elisabeth Greene, dau of W.H.Greene, a Protestant Irish engineer and Railway Commissioner, and Marie Grace de Lancey (née Forth), whose own father’s mother in turn may have been Jewish if 18th-century Surrey M.D. and apothecary Robert Sherson was (i.e. dau. Caroline Jemima Sherson, whose (dashed attractive) mother Catherine Taylor was the daughter of a Col. Taylor and a Maitland girl (Maitlands are hereditary Lords of Lauderdale, up the road, from the Norman nom-de-guerre “Mal-Talent”, nothing to do with geography. Took over after Hugh de Morville blotted his copybook with that Becket business. No Jews involved).

    Keith and Elisabeth inflicted ol’ Rupe on the world.

    So if this is correct, his mother’s mother’s father’s mother’s father may qualify. On the other hand the last-named may be tediously Home Counties English, as I don’t recall many Jews (or Catholics) going up to Uni and Medical School in George II’s reign, before the Jew Bill of 1753.
    Hardly makes Rupe a Red Sea pedestrian in anyone’s book, given all those staunch Proddy forefathers and the break in mtDNA continuity occasioned by his granny’s dad and Mr Sherson (the Mrs S. certainly being rather less than Jewish).
    You must have access to higher quality information than I do, I suppose.

  201. fatmanjudo says:

    I did not want to make the comparison, but since you asked: The Christmas Story has all the elements of the heroic narrative. Son of God born with a unique destiny, saved from death by parents and sent into exile in Egypt, taught by the best teachers of the law who notice his unique abilities. (he is, after all, doing his Father’s business) Desert prophet baptizes him. Forced to choose between the good and evil in the desert, when He is promised all the nations if he would merely bow. Notice, he never questions the devil’s ability/right to give it to him. If He bows, the nations would then serve him, not be free to serve whom they choose.

    Has a round table of knights, all of whom ultimately forsake him. Given the ultimate choice of self preservation or dying for an ungrateful world, chooses to die. I note that the element “choice” is the difference between a Hero and a victim. As the individuals who died in the World Trade Center on 911 are victims, while the firemen who ran into the building in an attempt to save them are heroes. So, there is no betrayal of the heroic narrative. It is the non violent hero version of the hero narrative.

  202. Dave says:

    “Sorry. My fault. If you want people to understand a concept, sometimes you have to break it down for them. Even then, some people will still remain willfully ignorant, refuse to see the obvious, and claim it is all ‘conspiracy theories’.”

    People like Dave, for instance.

    LOL. No, people like you and Gunner.

  203. I don’t really like it but I have to say the jooooos are a legitimate topic of conversation when we get to control of the media and relentlessly pushing this gay/gender bending/egalitarian/yougogiiiiiirl ideology that is so harmful. I really don’t understand them. Whey do Jews vote 90% Democrat when it is the Re-Pew-Bicks who support Israel? Why do they so consistently produce drivel like this with such a clear and subversive and CONSISTENT message. How does that happen? Saying it was planned all the way back to Solomon is not such a stretch….

  204. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    bluepillprofessor: Whey do Jews vote 90% Democrat when it is the Re-Pew-Bicks who support Israel?

    Because both Democrats and Republicans fervently support Israel, and will continue to do so, regardless of how Jews vote. Neither party gets bonus points for that. Support for Israel is a given. That just lets you into the mainstream.

    OTOH, criticizing or opposing Israel gets you kicked out of polite company. Ron Paul and Cynthia McKinney were both portrayed by the media as “beyond the pale” largely because they weren’t pro-Israel enough.

  205. God is Laughing says:

    Stretches back to Balaam where the Learned that the best way to destroy a people God is blessing is by subverting them and letting God do the work for you.

    If you want to talk about the subversion of Christianity you need to read the book of Jude and 2 Peter. Read them very carefully. Then consider the history of Israel and what 9/ 10ths of the Old Testament is on about.

  206. A Regular Guy says:

    Thank you Dalrock, for reaffirming my decision to wait for the movie to come out on streaming services. I don’t like wasting my time with the “strong, female protagonist” fantasies in pop culture.

    OT: The game Fallout 4 is addicting. A very Politically-Incorrect part of the game allows your player character to specialize in the “Lady Killer” perk giving combat and dialogue advantages over female characters in the game. I can’t imagine this staying in the game franchise for future releases.

  207. They Call Me Tom says:

    @Kevin I was waiting for the same scene for about thirty minutes at the end of the movie. It seems like what Luke would do. If Ren is as powerful as he is in the beginning of the movie as simply a turned padawan, how much more powerful would Skywalker be? The only way Luke’s inaction seems to add up is if the next Episode lays out a ‘golden path’ that Luke is following by staying uninvolved. Maybe he remembers what happened the last time he came out of training to save Han, and now he’s observing Yoda’s advice to finish preparing for the fight before joining it.

    @Desiderian Good points, but Luke being MGTOW doesn’t quite line up. We’re led to believe that Luke doubts his ability to train/ mentor/ lead, but we’re not led to believe that he doubts his ability to use the force… nor does he have reason to doubt (that we’ve been shown) that he has the Republic and the Rebellion’s support in joining the fight.

  208. Boxer says:

    Why do they so consistently produce drivel like this with such a clear and subversive and CONSISTENT message.

    Culture is a reflection of society and not the other way ’round.

    Many social problems are due to scale and the resulting atomization, rather than from some nefarious Jewish conspiracy. American society (with values and institutions based in an agrarian society — of small towns and family farms) and its transmogrification into a huge, transnational empire, has resulted in a deracinated people, whose institutions don’t work at scale. Francis Fukuyama writes a lot about this if you’re inclined to study it.

    This aside, it’s still not reasonable to accept people’s excuses for shitty behavior as the fault of someone else. Until “the Jews” start sending their army out and forcing people at gunpoint to get divorced, I’ll continue to hold the people who do this crap responsible, and I think you should too. Be the cohesive society you want to create, and enforce personal standards on your neighbors where you can.

    Boxer

  209. They Call Me Tom says:

    @Regular Guy – The female protagonist is actually well written. The only crime in the writing, is that most of the male characters are required to be less than masculine (Oscar Isaac’s character the only exception, but doesn’t get much screen time in the balance). A strong female character shows up better amongst strong male characters in the stories I’ve read, but the writers apparently thought a strong female character would only work against weak male characters serving as foils. That’s where the movie falls short of what it could be. The movie isn’t Star Wars or Empire Strikes Back, but it’s pretty close to Return of the Jedi and better than Revenge of the Sith (although seeing Darth Vader get a beat down was great). The scale of events is much better than the prequels, outside of the Federation home planet being destroyed off screen, which was strangely treated as an insignificant event.

  210. Boxer says:

    I could go on, but you get the gist. Jews unilaterally shape America’s opinions, from the cradle to the grave. There is virtually no information being passed to or through Americans, unless filtered and approved by the Jews. Jews tell Americans what to think and how to think it. Who do you think sold feminism and homosexuality to America? None other than the Jews.

    Feminism has destroyed at least as many Jewish families as Christian ones. I don’t have data, but the Jewish chicks I have known have been absolutely in love with divorcing their nice Jewish husbands, making their kids bastards, and getting that easy money from the hard working beta schlub husband as they move some exciting new stud in to his house. One Jewish family I know personally busted up after the “nice Jewish girl” decided that she would come out of the closet as a lesbian. She moved a big, ugly, horse-faced dyke into the family home. The only upside in that case is that there weren’t children involved.

    My own personal experience with Jewish chicks is that they are spoiled bitches, to the extent that they actually rival Mormon women in their inflated sense of self-worth and absolute worthlessness for marriage. Sad but true. Maybe Mark or some other Hebrew bro can correct me or add to my own analysis.

    If feminism was some invented ideology that Jews foisted onto Christians, as you’re implying here, it seems to have bit them in the ass in a huge way.

    Boxer

  211. God is Laughing says:

    I guess making a covenant with death has a big downside.

  212. desiderian says:

    fatmanjudo,

    “taught by the best teachers of the law who notice his unique abilities”

    Think you’ve got something backwards there, champ.

    Anyway, it’s beside the point. I said the Christmas Story, not Christ’s whole life, which features elements that Campbell would recognize along with that well beyond his ken. It’s remarkable how tenacious a seductive error can be when it gets ahold of a good mind like your own.

    “Any man worth his salt will stick up for what he believes right, but it takes a slightly better man to acknowledge instantly and without reservation that he is in error.”

    – Andrew Jackson

  213. desiderian says:

    They Call Me Tom,

    “The only crime in the writing, is that most of the male characters are required to be less than masculine (Oscar Isaac’s character the only exception, but doesn’t get much screen time in the balance). A strong female character shows up better amongst strong male characters in the stories I’ve read”

    I can buy that, though Finn wasn’t that bad, if woodenly acted. In all the dissatisfaction with the banal persistence of the Mary Sue, we may be missing the first signs of the passing of the Magic Negro.

  214. desiderian says:

    Also a hint there in the name Finn at another odd brothers on the run comedy from awhile back.

  215. desiderian says:

    Boxer, good comments here. Appreciated.

    “Many social problems are due to scale and the resulting atomization, rather than from some nefarious Jewish conspiracy.”

    Well, the two aren’t mutually exclusive. It would be fair to say that most Jews retain the capacity, and crucially the support system, to act in non-atomized ways that most regular folks no longer do, and that the sources of such connection those folks could turn to have been under direct attack from institutions and organizations that have over time come to be led by a relatively large number of Jews.

    I would agree the “conspiring” i.e. coming together for common interest that transcends the atomization, is not necessarily nefarious. It is one fo the things (along with higher group IQ) that has led to undue Jewish dominance.

  216. desiderian says:

    TCMT,

    “Good points, but Luke being MGTOW doesn’t quite line up. We’re led to believe that Luke doubts his ability to train/ mentor/ lead, but we’re not led to believe that he doubts his ability to use the force…”

    People who seek out places like that Island are often more concerned with reversing the subject/object of that last bit there.

    We are called to be of use to God for His purposes, not the other way around. Is it so strange that one of heroes of our people should one day stumble upon this eternal Truth?

    “nor does he have reason to doubt (that we’ve been shown) that he has the Republic and the Rebellion’s support in joining the fight.”

    Why were there monks on Lindisfarne at all? Were they all cowards afraid to stand up to the invading Saxons? Was God unconcerned with their labors?

    See:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_the_Irish_Saved_Civilization

  217. tz says:

    Han Solo kept up his child support payments. That should suffice, shouldn’t it?

  218. JDG said, “Then I guess the next question should be: Were Jews also responsible for all the smut, decadence, and the feminist outbreak during the decline of the Roman Empire?”

    “_____________ is(are) a central guiding influence on modern society.”

    Fill the blank with one of the following:

    The Five Jew Bankers
    The Illuminati
    The Knights Templar
    The Freemasons
    The New World Order
    Mega-corporations
    Justin Bieber
    Whitey
    The Darkies
    Feminists
    Liberals
    Conservatives

    If it isn’t God, does it really matter? At what point are we Gentiles responsible for how we respond to the evil in we see in the culture? Eph 6:12 “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”

    People who are deceived into sin start from a place in the heart where they choose to be open to the deceptions of Satan. Most people who gripe about “dah joos” won’t cancel their cable or stop buying media from this degenerate popular culture for their own spiritual development’s sake.

  219. God is Laughing says:

    @Just, I have.

  220. bob k. mando says:

    desiderian says: January 3, 2016 at 6:29 pm
    Lucas sold the franchise. We’re post-Lucas.

    a – you’re still constrained by Lucas established canon and precedent. the fanbois won’t let you deviate too far from that
    b – he sold out to WaltDisneyCorp … which, you may not be aware, is over run with homos. that’s NOT an improvement

  221. They Call Me Tom says:

    A book I keep meaning to read desiderian, thanks for reminding me of it.

  222. desiderian says:

    “a – you’re still constrained by Lucas established canon and precedent. the fanbois won’t let you deviate too far from that”

    Me? No, I’m not at all constrained. The filmmakers bought off the fanbois by bringing back all the original actors (unlike the Star Trek reboot, for instance, which only had old Spock in an extended cameo). Disney is constrained internally by their own bean-counters and SJWs, neither of whom care much for Lucas after the debacle of I-III.

    “b – he sold out to WaltDisneyCorp … which, you may not be aware, is over run with homos. that’s NOT an improvement”

    I didn’t claim that it was, though in my book Pixar, for instance, far outpaces anything Lucas has done in forever. Disney is largely responsible for the things that (rightfully) offend so many here about the movie. I’m just saying that Disney is not all-powerful.

    God, too, has a say in the culture, and we’d do well to listen for it.

  223. paddy says:

    Orange Is the New Black – author of the series? Bella and The Bulldogs (hidden cuckoldry) children’s TV show – who made that hiring decision?

    Ponder the last sentence in Joel Stein’s (Jewish) article http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/19/opinion/oe-stein19 : “But I don’t care if Americans think we’re running the news media, Hollywood, Wall Street or the government. I just care that we get to keep running them.”

  224. ShinobiVega says:

    The only reason I’m not mad about the Duracell commercial is because after the girl spouts her clever snark, the boy was allowed to say, “Follow my lead.” And the girl actually says nothing, implying her consent to a male taking control.

    Most of the time, the guy says nothing after being insulted in this manner and just swallows the insult like the ball-less simp he is. This commercial averts that, I like that. In that sense, this commercial is better than “The Force Awakens” itself.

  225. God is Laughing says:

    @Boxer, until the Kendrick brothers, CBMW and Evangelical Feminist pastors start sending out armies to force people to divorce are you going to refrain from discussing them as well?

  226. Peasant says:

    I couldn’t find an email or contact link on the blog, so I’ll leave this here – it’s the most blatant expression of the “weak men are screwing up feminism” message I’ve ever seen (it’s also similar to Soviet propaganda against ‘wreckers’ in a way that is telling):

    Proof that appeasement doesn’t work. You can never sacrifice enough to Moloch or Gaia or whomever to get them off your back. Making a eunuch of yourself still won’t satisfy them.

    Before the objection gets brought up, yes the professor in this is a legit scumbag. Don’t let that side-track you from what this actually reveals about the people who made it.

  227. Mary Sue versus Emo Darth doesn’t really grab me as something to hang a franchise on.

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