False witness

There are a number of bloggers who exist either mostly or entirely to troll the manosphere. Manboobz is probably the best known, and for a while we also had Bodycrimes tagging along. More recently Insanitybytes has come to my attention.

All of these sites share a common MO, which is a combination of snark, pointing and shrieking, and misrepresenting what is written on manosphere blogs. Of the three Insanitybytes has the most potential to deceive because she does her trolling under the guise of being a Christian antifeminist. While very few of my readers would be taken in by this ruse, sometimes it is worth pointing out the obvious.

For an example of how this works, on Sunday Vox Day put up a post at Alpha Game titled Girls are psychologically soft. Later that same day Insanitybytes responded with “Girls Are Psychologically Soft?”  Insanity’s reply doesn’t quote, name, or link to Vox, but she references his blog post by title:

…imagine my surprise when I was rather rudely interrupted by a blog post that suggests, “Girls are Psychologically Soft.”

Next come the passive aggressive accusations (emphasis mine):

If I thought for one moment that girls being smaller, weaker, and psychologically softer, would somehow translate into the idea that life (and men) should show us even greater kindness and charity, you have no idea how often I would play the girl-card. Sadly, it is seldom true however. Something always seems to get lost in translation. In some odd quirk of human nature, “small, soft and weak” tends to just register as, “oh look, perfectly legitimate and morally acceptable…….prey.”

Don’t ask me to explain it, human behavior just is what it is, and as this blogger so clearly implied, “girls are psychologically soft,”therefore…..feel free to exploit the crap out of them. He’s a charming specimen, let me tell you, as in some people have a screw loose, but this one done lost two bolts and Teh Stupid has come spilling out.

I am torn between a desire to mercifully try to scoop it up before anyone sees it….and the urge to look away politely, like one might do when someone’s zipper is down. You may not be embarrassed. I however, am embarrassed for you.

If you’ve read Vox’s original post you already know how delusional this claim is.  Aside from quoting an opinion piece at CNN by feminists Carol Dweck and Rachel Simmons, Vox’s entire post is:

And it’s really not their fault. It’s the fault of those who have overpraised them since they were in kindergarten:

[Quote of CNN feminist opinion piece.]

Of course, this also explains why women so often try to turn everything into grade-school, complete with an all-controlling authority figure; it’s the one environment in which they feel reasonably confident of succeeding by means of blind obedience and effort.

As you can see, only someone who is unhinged would misinterpret Vox’s post as an exhortation to exploit or harm women.  But to a feminist (even one in denial), any challenge to feminism is a personal attack on herself, which explains Insanity’s bizarre mis-characterization of Vox’s post.

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  2. dgarsys says:

    SJW’s always lie.

  3. InsanityBytes is a fraud in the truest sense of the word. She spams my comments with nothing but insults to my readers then runs back to her treehouse and deletes comments that would make her look anything less than some concerned churchlady to the 7 or 8 regular who “go girl” her or wonder why she bothers with those Red Pill satanists.

    She just the next incarnation of Sunshine Mary / Aunt Giggles, only sloppier.

  4. Boxer says:

    I think people like InsanityBytes (an apt moniker, by the way — I can almost smell the Prozac through the screen when I visit s/h/it’s page) win a great victory whenever we, the doers, stop doing and bicker with them. They exist to keep us mired in pointless squabbles, rather than strategizing and networking. Other than an occasional worthwhile analysis by Dalrock, I don’t see any need to discuss such headcases. That goes for Manboobz and the usual Jezebel idiots, also. To hell with the lot of them.

    Regards,

    Boxer

  5. I’m guessing I was gone when Sunshine Mary got exposed. Construction seasons are hard on my online presence.

  6. GS Jockey says:

    What’s the story about Sunshine Mary??

  7. feeriker says:

    No doubt IB22/GG/yttik will whine up a storm over at her blog about the fact that she’s banned here (and just about everywhere else in the ‘sphere) so that she can’t defend herself from these baseless smears of her good Christian character.

  8. Dalrock says:

    I don’t have an issue with Sunshine Mary.

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  10. elmer t. jones says:

    Have been watching some interesting BBC shows on my Roku about hidden “killers” in past British Eras, “Hidden Killers In Victorian Homes” etc.

    Turns out that Victorian women were fainting because of their tight corsets. Also there was a laundry roller called a “Mangle” which caused some horrible injuries in children and must be the source of the word “mangled”.

  11. Novaseeker says:

    Sunshine was a completely different situations from insanitybytes. Sunshine got doxxed (together with her family including kids) and so decided to go in a different direction, eventually starting a new blog, which is private. The people who doxxed her were no friends of the manosphere. She was not really a manosphere adherent, but she also was not a manosphere troll.

    Aunt Giggles is more similar to insanitybytes.

  12. Sunshine was an odd person in an odd situation—I never knew her whereabouts/identity were a secret, as it was perfectly obvious and she seemed comfortable including many personal details in her posts. Someone went ahead and posted her address on a message board, and it deeply spooked her.

    I’m all about anonymity unless a person prefers otherwise (Aaron Clarey/Captain Capitalism), but I’m not sure we know all that was going on with Sunshine. She still reads this blog, so no doubt she can update the world on her adventures if she’d like.

  13. Spike says:

    I had a read of Vox’s post, then Insanitybytes’ reply.What is so wrong about Vox’s post that she has to reply, with (disconnected) sarcasm?
    Vox has done what all manosphere writers do: tell the truth about women. As usual, such talk is a far better predictor of women’s nature than anything feminism or psychology has told us (H/T Rollo), and this is what makes Insanity uncomfortable.
    In saying what he did, Vox is right: Women’s standard mode of behaviour is demanding to enter a man’s world, demanding man change it to suit them, dishing out like men and when they fail or can’t handle the job or the criticism that they are perfectly happy to dish out, they run to the nearest Authority Figure – like the teacher in the playground of old – to tell them that it’s all unfair. That Authority Figure is the CEO, the Human Resources Manager, the Police, the Courts and ultimately, the State.
    Perhaps Insanity could try to convince her readers and the world at large that such behaviour from women isn’t so – that women are exactly the way Hollywood and the media portray – solid, dependable, independent, warm kind, dignified – but that would require real work and real effort to find real-life evidence, none of which is forthcoming because it just doesn’t exist.

  14. Tom K. says:

    I read “Mindset” by Dwerk and although that was during my blue pill days, I didn’t see anything particularly feminist in her work. Of course, that was her professional work so she perhaps kept to the data.

  15. BradA says:

    Aunt Giggle’s site name should have clued anyone in from the start….

  16. @Dalrock: “I don’t have an issue with Sunshine Mary.”

    Let me put on my shining white armor and say that I am pretty sure her piece on the benefits of the default yes was the first thing I ever read in the manosphere and it prompted me to look further. Sunshine Mary changed my life. From my understanding she exaggerated information on her blog and put out false information about her personal stuff which came out when she got doxed. Pretty sure that is it. So….What? This is the internet. So what if (to take a wild example) Rollo claims to be a beer distributer and it turns out he is really a bar owner? So what? They basically criticized Sunshine Mary because she put a “Sunshine” face on her blogging. Well, duhhh.

  17. The Question says:

    “All of these sites share a common MO, which is a combination of snark, pointing and shrieking, and misrepresenting what is written on manosphere blogs.”

    Because to do otherwise would require them to actually counter what you and others argue using facts, stats, empirical data, logic, or deductive reasoning. Imagine if they actually took what was said seriously and tried to refute it?

    I’ve read a few of their posts and it’s amazing how they fit the MO you describe.

    You have to remember, though, that their type have succeeded for decades in silencing the opposition through these tactics. It is all they know. It is only now that the strategy is beginning to wane, as the breaking point has been reached and the Internet has provided a place for alternative voices to be heard. Yet they’ll keep on doing what they do because the same blindness that prevents them from seeing the truth will also blind them from realizing the ineffectiveness of their behavior. They’re also trying to whip up outrage among the “true believers.” They don’t know how to convert or care, because they’ve never had to do it; society and culture has done that work for them.

    Ironically enough, their unwillingness to counter the logical approach of the Manosphere is what will win over many Blue Pill men looking for someone to disprove what you or others have written.

  18. Dragonfly says:

    Rollo, please reconsider Sunshine – she was slandered and doxxed, we all know this now after so much time passing and truth finally outing itself.

    Time and Truth walk hand in hand.

  19. Robert Mando says:

    Spike says: October 20, 2015 at 7:35 pm
    What is so wrong about Vox’s post that she has to reply, with (disconnected) sarcasm?

    as noted above, insanitybytes has several aliases.

    she used to post at both of Vox’s blogs and was banned and allowed back more than once.

    she feigns anti-feminism … but she just can’t control her hampster.

  20. Go look up SSM’s comments on HUS and you’ll have a much different opinion about her.

  21. ray says:

    Despite a few errors, I liked Sunshine and her blog. I’m not clicking on H.orrible U.terine S.hite for ANY reason, though.

    Which commands of Christ did Sunshine reject over there, exactly?

  22. pukeko60 says:

    SSM is blogging, if you know where to look. And no, I won’t link: most of the people who do know of her know where to go.
    The trouble for the sheilas IS the InsanityBytes type. Because most sheilas have kids, and are vulnerable to point and shriek. They can’t just ignore the scat being thrown by the monkeys, nor work out how to cull said monkeys.
    In part because they don’t know how to tell someone on the internet to frack off, and swing the banhammer if they come back. The best exponent of this was the Alte, and she’s now doing other things.

  23. Opus says:

    You can tell Vox hit a nerve with Insanity Bytes. Although there are some exceptions (Elspeth comes to mind) most of the ladies who get involved in the Man-o-sphere, pretty quickly reveal the Female Imperative – some sooner than others. Anonymous Reader and myself took serious issue with Sunshine Mary over one particular post. When W.F.Price blogged, Girl Writes What (Karen Straughan) who one might have supposed was entirely supportive of men quickly ran away butt-hurt and somewhat unmasked. One should apply TFH’s seventy-two hour rule, but one never does.

    I particularly like Spike’s second paragraph above: I recently had a falling out with the receptionist at my G.P. (who was behaving in full-on Bitch mode): exactly as he says, with my Doctor (to whom she ran) going into full-on White Knight mode. I sacked him, in a coruscating letter of three closely written (but polite) pages. I could say more, a lot more, but this is not my blog.

  24. Opus says:

    @elmer

    My mother (who was not a Victorian but who did wear a corset) had a washing machine with a mangle. I was always fascinated by the ‘balloon’ that it made when a shirt went through the mangle, and doubtless wanted to place my hand near the rollers much as I wanted to place my hand near the machine in the butchers that sliced ham into thin slices. Of course we are somewhat behind you and I have yet to see a dish-washer in action.

  25. Mariah8 says:

    @ opus and Elmer

    Bill Bryson has a book ” at home” that gives a history of rooms in the house and a lot of focus on the Victorians. One of the more horrifying books I have ever read, especially the parts about chimney sweeps.

  26. greyghost says:

    Yahoo had this up this morning
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shannon-colleary/why-midlifers-stay-unhappily-married_b_8281928.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
    Divorce is the answer and the reasons for staying the course are myths

  27. greyghost says:

    The article is for women of course

  28. nick012000 says:

    Archive links, please, greyghost. If we give them hits, we’re just giving them what they want.

  29. greyghost says:

    How is that done

  30. Dave says:


    Yahoo had this up this morning
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shannon-colleary/why-midlifers-stay-unhappily-married_b_8281928.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
    Divorce is the answer and the reasons for staying the course are myths

    There seems to be an all-out attack on everything that is good in society. All promoted by the Jewish media of course. I am still unsure about why Jews hate America and, by extension, human beings, so much to want to destroy the culture, the government, entertainment, family, etc. Nothing is sacred anymore.

    Just a few days ago, I began to think about the possibility of the antichrist being a Jew. I have yet to do serious study on this, but judging by the zeal with which the Jews attack and corrupt all people, there may be some truth to the idea.

  31. JDG says:

    There seems to be an all-out attack on everything that is good in society. … I am still unsure about why Jews hate America and, by extension, human beings, …

    Seriously? Do they have secret meetings where they plan all these attacks? Do all Jews hate America and corrupt people? Why do I see so many who are not Jews also hating America, corrupting people, and promoting ungodly feminist ideas?

    When hasn’t there been an all-out attack on everything that is good in society?

  32. Cane Caldo says:

    @Opus

    You can tell Vox hit a nerve with Insanity Bytes.

    She certainly likes to play outraged on the Internet. I don’t know why she’s allowed to comment anywhere.

  33. Dalrock says:

    @Greyghost

    How is that done

    https://archive.is/

  34. Opus says:

    Bill Bryson (for those who are not aware of this) is an American who made a career by writing about The British Isles. I picked up one of his books but failed to recognise the place: may I recommend Kate Fox’s Watching the English.

    My parents had a chimney (when I was small) and thus they also used the services of a chimney sweep – very long brushes I seem to recall. Not good for small boys and I don’t know how Father Christmas (you call him Santa Clause – not Insanity Clause) gets down – he being so obese and jolly, but of course I believed he did. Who else drank the glass of sherry left for him. The empty glass was sufficient proof for me. Happily Santa is not over busy at Xmas, because in Spain the baby Jesus delivers all the presents – and you thought I was gullible about Santa.

  35. thedeti says:

    Sunshine was completely different from InsanityBytes.

    Bodycrimes shuttered her blog and deleted all of its contents. She comments sometimes at Sunshine’s current blog.

    Susan Walsh AKA Giggles had something of a Flowers for Algernon type of course. She’s a baby boomer mom who had a typical AFBB life (successful marriage following an active and varied college dating and sex life) She started out as a typical femblogger dispensing advice to her college aged daughter and her daughter’s friends from a femcentric perspective. She then got into Game and started recommending it; bringing in a lot of male commenters who helped build up her blog, and made HUS the most popular manosphere blog for a while. She got tired of the no holds barred male commenting style and concluded that the “science” didn’t back up Red Pill philosophy and worldviews, eventually concluding she wasn’t really interested in challenges to her views or to the science she presented. She eventually banned all commenters identifying as “Red Pill” and returned to her feminist roots. HUS has had an A-B-A course, with A being feminism and feminine-centric “advice”, and B being her flirtation with Red Pill and an attempt at unifying men and women in a blog environment.

  36. ho says:

    ” Sunshine got doxxed (together with her family including kids) ”

    For a reason.

  37. Gunner Q says:

    Unrelated, are there any ambitious young men in the Salinas, California region looking for work? A professional acquaintance of mine in civil engineering is looking for a field tech by word-of-mouth. No college degree needed but field experience and AutoCAD skills are valuable. Ex-military would be good, too, especially infantry types. This guy has a reputation as a talent scout so this is an open door into the civil engineering field but expect some hard work, danger and erratic hours.

    I have nobody to offer at the moment and would like to see this chance go to someone whose race, gender and politics would never make it through an HR department.

  38. Dalrock says:

    HUS is in a different category. Walsh has a primary objective other than trolling the manosphere. I believe it was Anonymous Reader who referred to HUS as a “finishing school for hos”.

    http://www.hookingupsmart.com/tag/herpes/

  39. ColorStorm says:

    Hey boys:

    Your characterization and persuasion OF insanitybytess22 comes not from He who has called you. I do not blame her for not linking you, nor would I, lest you be fed customers to flatter your pride.

    So you say she is a fraud eh? Uh huh, and apparently you are chastising the Lord for putting His mantle of blessing upon her. Not too smart.

    She makes more sense in one sentence than all the wasted comments here combined. By the way, the Lord and one is a majority.

    [D: Goodbye]

  40. So what if (to take a wild example) Rollo claims to be a beer distributer and it turns out he is really a bar owner? So what?

    hey, Hey, HEY! I have ownership stakes in two brands of liquor and am the principle creative for about a dozen others.

    I do brands, not distribution.

    Beer,…harumph!

  41. if I had a man like that, I think I’d just turn him into a bad smell coming from my attic.

    Some one sentence ‘sense’ from IB.

    I’ll spare Dragonfly the catfight comment reposts from my blog.

  42. Mariah8 says:

    @ opus
    I will have to check that out, thanks for the recommendation.
    Bill Bryson writes fiction purporting to be non fiction but the chimney sweeps I was referring to are the “climbing boys” as young as four they used to employ in chimney cleaning back in the day. Not just in UK but everywhere; Bryson was just the first place I read where it was explained in depth.

  43. BradA says:

    “finishing school for hos”

    Definitely a valid comparison. I am surprised she embraced it.

    She definitely hides current pictures, especially since they wouldn’t fit the narrative. She didn’t age gracefully if the picture I saw of her a while back was accurate.

  44. Mariah8 says:

    “Hey Boys” ? Mixing the street corner come on with the faux Godly rebuke. That was pricelessly funny, too bad I think she was serious.

  45. Yes, because IB not linking here is really putting a dent in page views on a non-commercial site.

    I haven’t linked my blog to here, I’m sure it’s hurting about as bad. LOL

  46. The Tingler says:

    It’s funny, because I went over to InsanityBytes’ site yesterday and read her post making fun of the guy who said women are “psychologically soft,” and it was snarky in a cute way, so I thought, “Dalrock doesn’t know what he’s talking about, this chick’s alright.” Plus, she describes herself as a Christian anti-feminist, what’s not to like about that? But then I started talking to her and it was just sad. Strongly suspect it’s Amanda Marcotte or some other hypersensitive millennial feminist behind that blog. I just feel sorry for these people.

  47. Bathing in male tears, no doubt, Tingler.

  48. elmer t. jones says:

    “I have nobody to offer at the moment and would like to see this chance go to someone whose race, gender and politics would never make it through an HR department.”

    Within a week I hope to release my long-awaited ebook “Employment Game”, which provides practical work-arounds for men trying to survive in the feminized economy.

    employmentgame.wordpress.com/about

  49. Anonymous Reader says:

    Deti
    HUS has had an A-B-A course, with A being feminism and feminine-centric “advice”, and B being her flirtation with Red Pill and an attempt at unifying men and women in a blog environment.

    “Flowers for Algernon” is very apt.
    This A B A pattern can be seen in a lot of people if you look for it. I think it has to do with neuroplasticity, i.e. learning; we learn a lot of things in the first 30 years, and for many people that’s about all the learning they’ll need to get by for the rest of their lives. It takes work, mental work, over the age of 30 to 35 to learn new things – ask me how I know that, eh?

    Part of really learning, as opposed to just mouthing words, surely involves paring away old neural connections in the brain and replacing them with new ones. That’s work and involves repetition, internal repetition at that – one has to actively not think in the old pattern in order to program, or groove in, or whatever you want to call it, that new pattern. I’ve seen it in pistol shooting. I’ve seen it to a little extent in weight training and movement coaching, where a single reversion to the older pattern of movement has to be corrected immediately, in a deliberate fashion. (I’d use “mindful” if that word hadn’t become a bit semantically loaded.)

    Wal$h never really bought into the truths about men and women, IMO, like many she was willing to
    “mouth words” in order to get men to do what she wanted them to do. At some point it’s likely she came face to face with the reality of what she was saying and it directly conflicted with her own version of the F. I. as instantiated in 2nd stage feminism. Kind of like drinking too much water too fast, then horking it back up.

    Which brings me back to one of my pet hobbyhorses, “If you aren’t actively rejecting feminism then you are passively accepting it”. The practical implications for commited couples, be they in an LTR or a marriage, is pretty obvious. He has to suppress his own betaness every danged day, she has to stifle her rebellion ditto. As with many mental habits, this becomes easier with practice for both of them.

    The key issue, in sales talk, is “buy in”. He has to “buy in” to the notion that changing his pattern of behavior will lead to better days, maybe not immediately but in time. She has to “buy in” to the same notion; absent some degree of real submission on her part, all he’s got is Game to manage her, because a man cannot lead a woman who refuses to follow. He’s got to be masculine in a deliberate and purposeful fashion, having real talks with himself from time to time to keep from backsliding, but to really make it all work she has to be feminine in real and purposeful ways.

    Small things matter. Squatting the wrong way one time in the gym with weight can lead to injury, so that means a man should squat down in the yard to pick up the hose with proper form, because every time he squats he’s retraining himself to squat. Proper form matters because each repetition of an action, no matter how trivial, is either reinforcing good mental grooves or bad ones. Ditto in interpersonal relations – every time she smarts off to him with contempt, she’s training herself to be contemptuous, and every time he puts up with it he’s also teaching her the same. It’s really annoying to realize that our grandparents were right about that whole “manners” thing, but they were.

    Circling back to Wal$h I think that was one of the big sticking points; it came down to whether she was willing to teach her girls actual, true, real-deal submission or not….and she wasn’t willing to walk across that bridge, so everything that led up to it suddenly was called into question, and she reverted back to her college-girl mindset.

    Any aging 2nd stage feminist will have pretty much the same problem – the mental habits of “men bad, women good”, men as robots/ATM’s/vending machines are grooved pretty deeply in someone who was in college in the early 1980’s, so a great deal of work is required to flatten them out even a little bit. Add to that the hormonal disturbances of menopause and a lot of instability is going to result.

    Or, hmm. tl;dr:
    You CAN teach an old dog new tricks, but it’s going to be a lot of work for both you and the dog.
    If you ARE the dog it’s actually easier…

  50. theasdgamer says:

    Even Satan appears as an angel of light, little girl. Go back to sleep.

  51. The Tingler says:

    God Is Laughing,

    IB’s too busy complaining that I’m a bully to laugh at my tears. Not that I was actually bullying anyone, of course.

    And all this just a few days after blogging about how strong and independent she is.

    Can somebody help me out here? Because I must be missing something. What’s with all these women, millennials especially, who go around trumpeting their strength and independence on the one hand, and then turn right around and complain about bullying? How do they not see the contradiction between their claims to strength and their constant whining about people who are stronger than them? Maybe Rollo can explain it. Is whining how women express their strength? Do women think it takes courage to complain?

    Honestly, when I see IB calling herself a Christian anti-feminist, the first thing I think is, “Here’s a woman I can expect not to complain about bullying, because she knows that’s the standard tactic of narcissistic millennial feminists and she disdains it.” But she’s a self-described conservative Christian, doing that very thing, so I have to think this isn’t just a feminist power strategy.

  52. thedeti says:

    “HUS is in a different category. Walsh has a primary objective other than trolling the manosphere.”

    Yes, she does, though she and her commenters do troll the manosphere from time to time. Mostly it’s finding some rare example of a Very Bad Man who did A Very Bad Thing and who happened to subscribe to Red Pill tenets. The latest example was the Asheville Coffee Brothers, who had sex with a lot of women and blogged about it.

    Look soon for a write up on Neil Strauss, the latest ex-PUA to write an apologia, joining the ranks of Tucker Max and probably Mystery as well.

  53. *cough…..Anita Sarkeesian damsel-in-distress calling on the U.N. to save her from the internetz?

  54. Dalrock says:

    @Cane Caldo

    She certainly likes to play outraged on the Internet. I don’t know why she’s allowed to comment anywhere.

    What surprises me more than her being permitted to comment is how seriously she is taken. Her MO is painfully obvious, but she is treated as if she is a sane and well meaning good Christian wife. Her best commenting trick is to go full meltdown with an emotional rant about how evil men are (examples here and here). It works very well, so I understand why she is so quick to use it over and over again.

  55. I’m glad I’m not the only one who’s picked up on her bipolar tendencies. Menopause tends to amplify this too. I told her as much on three occasions.

  56. jbro1922 says:

    “What’s with all these women, millennials especially, who go around trumpeting their strength and independence on the one hand, and then turn right around and complain about bullying? How do they not see the contradiction between their claims to strength and their constant whining about people who are stronger than them? Maybe Rollo can explain it. Is whining how women express their strength? Do women think it takes courage to complain?”

    Nothing is a contradiction when you can constantly redefine the terms.

  57. hugo stiglitz says:

    Dalrock,

    Biblicalgenderroles has many comments by IB and someone named Emily which I think is someone else. Rollo knows who I am talking about.

    Larry is BGR (biblicalgenderroles) and he fawns all over Dragonfly and IB. When you read their replys, like many here, you come away with “that kinda makes sense” but you feel sort of annoyed at the same time. Like you can’t put your finger on it.

    Glad some of you can dissect their words.

  58. BradA says:

    Where is all this preaching about wifely submission she speaks of? I hear very little of it (and I listen to a great many preachers from many backgrounds. Those who do touch on the topic seem to always be compelled to give “balance” and talk about men not using that too much, if at all.

    I have not heard it and it disgusts me to continually be warned against it.

  59. jbro1922 says:

    BradA,

    I think any mention or implication that a woman cannot do “whatever she wants, whenever she wants to” is lumped into the idea of submission. The very idea of considering anyone else besides oneself or that anyone could possibly have any opinion that differs from one’s own is like heresy. Any consideration=doormat. Because that’s what they think submission is.

  60. Scott says:

    When you read their replys, like many here, you come away with “that kinda makes sense” but you feel sort of annoyed at the same time.

    The reason it makes you sort of annoyed is because their comments read like this:
    “Have you seen my humble pin?”

    (H/T Cane)

  61. Mark says:

    @Dalrock

    Nice post!
    I have never read Manboobz again.They had a few post insulting “Christopher in Oregon” ,that I greatly admired from Happy Bachelors Forum. I asked SSM awhile back,here on this forum,as to why she had discontinued her Blog.I really liked reading her posts(never commented) as did other “regs” her at your Blog.Oh yes! and why are these “shmoes” bad mouthing the Manosphere?…..Simple!….”Truth Hurts”!!!

  62. Mark says:

    @Dave

    “”There seems to be an all-out attack on everything that is good in society. All promoted by the Jewish media of course. I am still unsure about why Jews hate America and, by extension, human beings, so much to want to destroy the culture, the government, entertainment, family, etc.””

    Now Now! What is with the Jew bashing? I agree with you that they control the media.But,as far as “why Jews hate America”?? I am Orthodox Jewish and I do not hate America(and I am Canadian).I can proudly say that there is not a “Christian in the woodpile” in my family tree….L* You have to hang around more Jews and you will understand them.As far as the Antichrist being a Jew?….I believe that is predicted in the book of Revelations? Also,just to back up your point.If you read the “Federalist Papers” you will find that one of the Founding Fathers.I believe to be Benjamin Franklin,states(don’t quote me verbatim)…..”I agree with General Washington.If we allow the Jacobites into the new Republic,they will be running everything within 2 generations” Most Jews that I know are atheists …..I am not one of them!…………Shalom!!!!

  63. Dragonfly says:

    Thanks Rollo… at least it taught me a lesson, and one that I’m still learning. Ignore treacherous or deceitful “Christians.” Just focus on living your own life right.

    “Blessed are the peacemakers…
    Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness, because the kingdom of Heaven belongs to them.
    Blessed are you when they insult you and persecute you and falsely say every kind of evil against you because of Me.
    Be glad and rejoice, because your reward is not here but in Heaven.
    Becasue they are treating you the way the prophets were persecuted before you.”

  64. Anonymous Reader says:

    Dalrock
    What surprises me more than her being permitted to comment is how seriously she is taken. Her MO is painfully obvious, but she is treated as if she is a sane and well meaning good Christian wife.

    Because Bytes in her “nice” mode can be superficially convincing. She’s learned a number of words and phrases from her time at Alpha Game and other places including this site, that work on those who don’t know her very well. She’s pretty good at imitating a submissive, Christian wife – for a while. Sooner or later she goes into a meltdown, and then her “mean streak” comes out, sometimes very starkly.

    She’s an aging 2nd stage feminist who’s menopausal or perhaps perimenopausal, possibly with a teenager still living at home (which is another source of stress). Between the unreasonable beliefs lingering in her head from the 1980’s and the mood swings induced by her own biochemistry she’s caught up in quite a storm. IMO the best thing for Bytes to do would be to shut down her blog, step away from the web entirely, and take up exercise, a lot of it, plus check her diet as well. Possibly consult a good endocrinologist, or a naturopath who specializes in women, in order to get help to dampen the mood swings.

    Her 2nd stage feminist shibboliths are a different task, and as I pointed out up thread it’s not easy to discard old ideas and replace them with new, even when it’s obvious that the old ideas are a total failure. That’s about all I have to say on Bytes, since she can’t comment here. Better to discuss ideas than personalities, although I don’t always hold up that goal very well.

  65. Anonymous Reader says:

    Dalrock
    I believe it was Anonymous Reader who referred to HUS as a “finishing school for hos”.

    If memory serves I referred to HU$ as a “finishing school for sluts”, but meh, to-may-to, to-mah-to…

  66. Cane Caldo says:

    @Scott

    The reason it makes you sort of annoyed is because their comments read like this:
    “Have you seen my humble pin?”

    (H/T Cane)

    Hahaha!

    The gift that keeps on giving.

  67. JDG says:

    Do women think it takes courage to complain?”

    As long as it’s a woman complaining, yes they do.

  68. JDG says:

    When you read their replys, like many here, you come away with “that kinda makes sense”

    I can’t say I came away thinking any of the comments from the women at BGR made sense. Some of what BGR said about disciplining wives made sense (a lot of sense), but that was about it as far as I can remember.

  69. nick012000 says:

    @Dave: >I am still unsure about why Jews hate America and, by extension, human beings, so much to want to destroy the culture, the government, entertainment, family, etc. Nothing is sacred anymore.

    “He who hates me hates my Father also.” John 15:23. The Talmud claims that Jesus is in Hell, in a pit full of boiling excrement. They do not worship God, but the Enemy, and since the Enemy is the ruler of the world until Jesus returns, he has granted unto them temporal power to work his will. They’ve been involved with Marxism literally from the very beginning; Karl Marx himself was a Jew, from a family with a long line of rabbis on both sides of the family, and the Social Marxism from which Feminism descends (along with every other sort of Left-wing identity politics) comes from the Frankfurt School, a group of Jewish Communist academics who, after seeing their fellow Jews attempt a Communist Revolution in Germany and fail, realized that “classical” Communism wouldn’t work in industrialized Western countries, and that instead, they would have to subvert the culture by destroying morality and the family first. When Nazi Germany rose, they promptly fled to America, where they began their scheme by subverting academia.

    @Mark: “Oy vey! The goyim know! Shut it down!” LOL, the only way you could have been more stereotypical is if you brought up the Holocaust to try to shame him for being “anti-Semitic”.

  70. thedeti says:

    Scott:

    It looks like Sunshine deleted the entire exchange.

  71. Scott says:

    Yep. I understand why, too.

  72. Pedat Ebediyah says:

    @Dalrock

    HUS is in a different category. Walsh has a primary objective other than trolling the manosphere. I believe it was Anonymous Reader who referred to HUS as a “finishing school for hos”.

    http://www.hookingupsmart.com/tag/herpes/

    I agree with AR’s assessment.  I’ve visited HUS a few times, and read some of the stuff, and I’ve come away icky.

    She gives the appearance of being neutral as it concerns matter of faith, but it does not bear witness with my spirit at all.  My spirit says unclean, unbeliever, immoral, apologist for whoremongers, dogs, and spiritually wayward people.

    One thing I’ve become very sensitive to and damn near lost patience for as I’ve come more into RP knowledge is that I simply cannot stand or abide women who try to gaslight me.  I’ve come so close to cussing a few of my friends wives and their girlfriends out over that, and I really don’t want to blow my witness or lose frame over these wayward broads.

    IB is a gaslighter, but she’s kinda slick.  She throws in some good stuff, and I might cosign it occasionally, but she’s just not trustworthy.  These broads need to step the hell off trying to tell US what the fuck is WHAT concerning US.

    And Bodycrimes isn’t our friend either.  “..oh don’t be silly, you just need to relocate”.  Girl, bye!

    I like SSM, the old one mostly.  I have issues with her ethnocentric POV, but that’s typical when dealing with the nuances of TRP, so that’s not a hill to die on.

    So…as it regards what women think of us…I found out recently that a few women in my social circles were vetting me, and that they have “concerns” about my “thought processes”.  My thought processes?

    Well, ya’ll, if you’re stalking me (and I know you are), imma tell you – and yo mamma – I – D – G – A – F what you think about me and my “thought processes!”

    I’m trying to have the mind of Christ; that’s my thought process.  If that’s not yours then beat it!  I’m MGTOW all day long until I come across one that can hang, and I’m not holding my breath.

    As far as our counterparts in RP ideology, other than Elspeth, and a few others, the rest of ’em need to go somewhere and sat down

    False witness, indeed.

    If they don’t like to see us brothers working it out, then these bitches need to:

    Go down to their nearest construction company.
    Hire themselves of crew of burly, thirsty, beta men.
    Have them build a big ole bridge.
    And get the fuck over it!

     

     

  73. Speaking of unclean, immoral and apologists for whoremongers.

    Churchianity Today (Her-menuetics), has a story up about “sex trafficking”.

    Apparently, prostitution is dandy until some pimp comes and takes your money, then it’s “sex trafficking”.

  74. ray says:

    “Just a few days ago, I began to think about the possibility of the antichrist being a Jew. I have yet to do serious study on this, but judging by the zeal with which the Jews attack and corrupt all people, there may be some truth to the idea.”

    Wow, what a coincidence. Just a few days ago, I began to think about the possibility of the antichrist being a Dave.

    But, it turned out to be just another dork who carries the antichrist spirit.

    Try harder!

  75. Food for thought:

    Jesus Christ is not “a” man, He’s the head of the Body of Christ.

    Satan tries to imitate and distort what God does.

  76. PuffyJacket says:

    @Opus

    How British of you to write a strongly worded, three page letter of complaint to your ex-Doctor. I can’t help but picture John Cleese in one of his sketches portraying an enraged viewer writing into BBC to “complain in the strongest possible terms” about a scene depicting lumberjacks as transvestites (as he accurately points out, not all lumberjacks are transvestites).

    However I am curious as to what transpired between W.F. Price and Karen Straughan. I do recall Karen giving a public speech or two on college campuses defending men’s rights, and I was deeply impressed at the time. As I result, I am willing to cut her a significant amount of slack.

    As for Susan Walsh, PMAFT had her figured out way before anyone else. Her overriding concern is and always has been ensuring sluts have the same ability to milk the AF-BB train that she did, locking as many men as possible into the absurdly unjust marriage 2.0 system that she 100% supports. She briefly accepted some red pill ideas, but backed away as soon as she realized the full implications. She famously mangled the 80/20 principle, proving herself to be an intellectual lightweight in matters of the SMP (most in the manosphere would consider this what you call a “gimme”).

    She also backed some absurd conspiracy theories about MGTOW and MRM being a plot by the Elite to engage in gender wars as part of a “depopulation agenda”. No I’m not making that part up, she really is that dumb.

  77. Pedat Ebediyah says:

    @PuffyJacket..

    Again, she’s a broker for filthy, promiscuous, women. She reminds me of the demon Crowley from “Supernatural”.

    Dean = Red Pill = us manospherians = lets hurry Crowley along
    Sam = Blue Pill = her thirsty mangina followers = well he is usefull, for a demon

  78. PuffyJacket says:

    To give you an idea of just how rare someone like Karen Straughan is, consider that there are probably more women fighting for “animal rights” than women fighting for “men’s rights” by a factor of at least 10,000.

    As someone in the MRM used to say, if society treated dogs as badly as they treated men, feminists would be the first to picket the streets with signs pleading us to “stop the abuse of the dogs”.

  79. PuffyJacket says:

    @Pedat

    Yes, “slut rehab” is how I’ve heard many refer to HUS. But I don’t recall there being much, if any such rehab at all.

  80. PuffyJacket says:

    @GIL

    I doubt anyone could tell the difference. Her goal was to teach women how to be a slut the “right way”, which is sounds an awful lot like “hold my beer and watch this”.

  81. Dave says:

    @ray

    Wow, what a coincidence. Just a few days ago, I began to think about the possibility of the antichrist being a Dave.

    But, it turned out to be just another dork who carries the antichrist spirit.

    Try harder!

    My intention is not to bash the Jews at all. But we cannot pretend that a people that the Lord Jesus Christ Himself addressed as “serpents”, and “a generation of vipers” (Matthew 23:33) and “children of the devil” (John 8:44) are somehow above reproach or criticism. That the people who viciously crucified the Savior and virtually all the prophets sent to them by God are now a paragon of some virtue. You’ll have to try harder to convince me.

    When you dispassionately examine the thrust of Jewish media, their stranglehold on US government, the entertainment industry and Wall street, you would see a sinister move to corrupt and enslave the human race, and turn them against the paths of righteousness. Even modern feminism was primarily a product of mostly Jewish women. That much is clear to the observing eye.

    I would expect that you would come up with specific reasons why my views were wrong, not resort to ad hominems.

  82. Revelation 3:6 wasn’t inspired for no reason.

  83. Number-lexic Revelation 2:9 and 3:9.

  84. JDG says:

    Who are “the Jews”?

    Jesus was born a Jew. The Apostles were Jews. Many Christians are Jews.

    In Matt 23:33 we have our Lord, born of Jewish lineage, rebuking the Jewish religious leadership of the time for rejecting God and leading other Jews astray. The same for John 8:44. These passages could also (and do IMO) apply to any one in Christian leadership who has rejected God and leading others astray. The worlds problems can not be laid only at the feet of “the Jews”, and neither can the problems within Christian churches.

  85. The world’s problems cannot be laid at the feet of Jews. Absolutely, but our Lord wasn’t blowing smoke when He cautioned us was He?

  86. JDG says:

    Rom 9:6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.

    Rom 10: 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

    Jews and Gentiles alike sin and fall short. Only through Christ can Jews or Gentiles be saved, let alone do anything good.

  87. Amen JDG. What I tire off is when I get called an anti-Semite or a conspiracy theorist for trying to take serious and understand what our Lord meant when He advised us concerning the “Synagogue of Satan”.

  88. I’m a Christian from ireland who has had the misfortune to stumble across this blog and comment page. It’s immediately obvious that this group has collectively opened itself to a spirit of ungracious, loveless, idle gossip. When we are told to fight against sin, we should remember that the primary enemy is not on there; it is in our hearts. I would be interested to know what heart change would be necessary before the posters here were able to approach some of the characters lambasted here with genuine humility and Christian love.

    You are falling into hatred and it will allow the devil to destroy all that you hold dear. Where is the perseverance, self-control, gentleness and humility in your thinking? Even if you disagree with another’s thinking and writings, you can still demonstrate these qualities towards them as a person. Instead you make personal comments about their appearance and speak of them without any love. You should remember that Jesus loves our enemies as much as he loves us…and he calls us to love them too. You are not fighting successfully as a Christian when you use the devil’s instruments.

    I urge you all to leave aside idle, bitter gossip and focus on truly loving those whom God has trusted to you.

  89. BradA says:

    So glad you are here to set us straight thicket. Perhaps you should read a bit more of your Bible and realize that anger over sin is quite appropriate. You might also want to analyze your own judgmental attitude.

  90. Looking Glass says:

    @thicket:

    We call what you posted “tone setting”. It’s quite evil, as you’re putting a lack of confrontation over righteousness. There’s a hint in the title of this thread, “False Witness”. Be sure you aren’t one yourself.

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