Embarking on a lifetime of ugly feminism

Disney’s Babble is big on teaching girls to be bossy.  In March of last year they jumped on the “ban bossy” bandwagon with Let’s all join Beyonce and Jennifer Garner in banning the word bossy:

The two superstars are asking us to stop using the word “bossy” when referring to girls and women. And as for me, a bossy lady who is a mother of a bossy girl, I can not agree with this movement more.

Since then they have run multiple posts in praise of bossy girls, including The case for raising bossy daughters and Advice to My 4-Year-Old Daughter: If Anyone Ever Calls You “Bossy,” Just Say “Thank You”.  Last week however, one of the moms at Babble wrote about her struggle to curb her daughter’s bossiness while banning the very concept in My Daughter’s “Bossy” Behavior Almost Cost Her a Best Friend.

“Well, she said that if she tells June she doesn’t want to play a particular game, June gets really upset and threatens to end the play date. So Emma keeps playing to keep June happy.”

Ouch. Do the mind games begin this early?

I like that my daughter is comfortable expressing what I’ll call “strong leadership qualities,” which in a pre-Lean In era, would have been called “bossy.”

Of course, the story has a happy ending where her four year old learns to avoid being bossy while simultaneously avoids thinking very word bossy.

…I didn’t want to tell June to curb her authority, which would only reinforce those old gender stereotypes. Rather, I used it as an opportunity to talk about friendship: what it means to be a great friend and how to cultivate friendships that endure. Part of that, I said, is letting others take the lead once in a while simply because it makes friends feel good. Equally important is not making friends feel bad if they don’t want to do something you would like to do. It lets people know their decisions and opinions are valued and important.

In feminist fantasy land, one can embrace ugliness and still expect a beautiful outcome.  In reality she is teaching her daughter that vice is virtue, and her daughter is only just getting started putting that philosophy into practice.

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90 Responses to Embarking on a lifetime of ugly feminism

  1. rugby11ljh says:

    I see my niece going through this this…

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  3. theasdgamer says:

    This looks like an attempt to make women unattractive to men just like betas have been made unattractive to women.

  4. Scott says:

    For my entire lifetime, people often use words to describe themselves that the Bible identifies as ugly traits to be mastered and dispensed with–but their tone of voice is one of “I can’t help it” combined with a subtext that it is a badge of honor.

    When there is a bad outcome, they say things like “well, you know me. I’m stubborn.” (Or strong willed, or whatever). They say it as if they are semi proud of it.

    And everyone is expected to accept this.

    I have started saying. “I know. We are all stubborn. It is something you may want to work on because it is making your relationships difficult to maintain. Try NOT being stubborn sometimes.”

    This never goes over well. But wouldn’t it be great if someone said to you “I noticed you have been working on your stubbornness and being more accommodating/compromising. Good for you.”

  5. Regular Guy says:

    @Theasdgamer,

    It really is a unconscious, collective power move on the part of women, isn’t it? Modern women are making the next generation of young girls insufferable monsters so when they grow into adulthood, the understanding is men will simply “man-up” and marry them regardless and accept their lot in life as a doormat to a woman’s imperatives.

    It continues to amaze me how hard-wired women are to walk all over men if allowed to.

  6. theasdgamer says:

    “It really is a unconscious, collective power move on the part of women, isn’t it?”

    No, lots of feminists are men and they are pushing this crap. Some people want to lower the birthrates because they think the Earth is overpopulated. Loonies are doing social engineering.

  7. mrb4852 says:

    “I didn’t want to tell June to curb her authority, which would only reinforce those old gender stereotypes. Rather, I used it as an opportunity to talk about friendship: what it means to be a great friend and how to cultivate friendships that endure. Part of that, I said, is letting others take the lead once in a while simply because it makes friends feel good. Equally important is not making friends feel bad if they don’t want to do something you would like to do. It lets people know their decisions and opinions are valued and important.”

    This is why women fail as leaders. Leadership and authority are not the same thing. Authority is a power that is given and can be taken away. True leaders are followed willingly. Ban bossy was being heralded as girls and women expressing their leadership. Bossiness is not leadership it is an authority. Women and girls use this bossy authority under the threat point of group expulsion for those that don’t comply. It is tyranny not leadeship

  8. Wow telling 4 year olds to play nice is undermining a little girl’s ‘authority’ lol. Its just obnoxious behaviour typical of small children especially spolit brats.

  9. Miserman says:

    Part of that, I said, is letting others take the lead once in a while simply because it makes friends feel good. Equally important is not making friends feel bad if they don’t want to do something you would like to do. It lets people know their decisions and opinions are valued and important.

    This will either completely nuetralize any assertiveness from the daughter for the sake of others’ sense of self-worth or it will drive the daughter into full-time rage-miode as a defense of her own sense of self-worth. Or she will vacilate between the passive and the aggressive. Bi-polar anyone?

  10. anonymous_ng says:

    Then, when she grows up, she can write blog articles about how men are threatened by strong women and that’s why she can’t find a man to wife her up.

  11. I see these “bossy” girls in my classes all the time. They are desperately unhappy and speak sharply to everyone around them. The wear a perpetual sneer on their face. They roll their eyes and make unpleasant gestures whenever a man is speaking. They dispute ridiculous points completely unrelated to the lecture just to be unpleasant. They openly extol the virtues of women and if there is ANY evidence presented that men are not awful and woman are not Goddesses they literally start arguing and whining. They are like communist party apparatchiks eager to report any deviation from the party line. In response the boys keep their eyes firmly on the floor with what looks very much like the classic battle-fatigue 1,000 yard stare when they are anywhere near these acid tongued women.

    This movement is terrible for men but it is a catastrophe for women. NOBODY is going to want that nonsense and the ONLY men they will ever get beyond a pump and dump is an unattractive mangina who deserves everything he will get and who couldn’t find the tingles if a girl cut off her labia and threw it on his dinner plate.

  12. Steve Canyon says:

    The way I tell if these women are full of crap and making up stories about their kid is when the results of their teaching moments produce a result not in line with the congnitive abilities of a child that age. 4 year olds do not respond to logic and reason, and certainly not in the manner this woman demonstrates. 4 year olds typically don’t understand the underlying principle behind a positive behaviour, just that it’s a positive act. Regardless of what this enlightened SJW thinks, her precious little snowflake isn’t that advanced.

  13. Original Laura says:

    @Steve Canyon: At age four, the emphasis should be on “fairness” and “taking turns”. A year or two later, you can also start talking about the duties of being host or hostess, and the duties of being a guest, and general concepts of politeness.

    June’s “strong leadership” looks a lot like “bad manners/selfishness.” Ouch, indeed! Emma’s mother should start guiding Emma toward different playmates.

    My understanding is that a sense of fairness either develops in a child by age four, or it NEVER develops. By the age of eight or nine, it is pretty easy to pick out at least SOME of the kids who are going to turn out very, very badly.

    Poor June — her mother is not doing her any favors
    ..

  14. terrifictm says:

    Little girls have always been bossy and that is why boys NEVER want to play with them. They have to be made to play with them by their mothers but run away the second they get the chance. If a boy does play house with a girl, he quickly leaves for work! When we played school as a kid we boys ALWAYS played the delinquents. Why? Because school without rebellion was BORING!

    Whenever I hear about boys and girls being made to socialize I think of The Rascals, “He-Man Wimmen Haters a Club”!

    Men and boys are not the natural friends of women. I’m not sure if women have any natural friends. But to be fair, as I’ve gotten older I have fewer and fewer male friends as well, which seems to be a new phenomenon. Since the 1970s, the number of close friends men have has dropped from something like 3.2 to less than 1.3.

  15. Damn Crackers says:

    If we ban “bossy”, would bitchy c*nt be preferable?

  16. Scott says:

    Steve Canyon–excellent point. While I think it is reasonable to embellish or in other ways make a story more “tellable,” this level of abstraction is beyond a 4 year old developmentally.

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  18. Words aren’t just labels, they help to shape our thoughts. Warping words leads to warped thoughts.

  19. Yoda says:

    Men want bossy wife not.
    If marriage one does seek,
    this is the path to take.

  20. Yoda says:

    What substitute for bossy might we use?
    Suggestions appreciated they are.

  21. Yoda says:

    Perhaps embrace “bossy” like embrace “slut” they do.
    “Boss walks” they could have.
    Yell orders to each other as they march they might.

  22. Yoda says:

    I didn’t want to tell June to curb her authority

    What authority that would be?

  23. mdavid says:

    Scott, People often use words to describe themselves that the Bible identifies as ugly traits to be mastered and dispensed with–but their tone of voice is one of “I can’t help it”

    Good point. I’ve noticed this myself more and more. But there are good reasons for it:
    1) Few agree on the bible’s “ugly traits” (even mortal sin like divorce, bc, abortion are contested).
    2) Public moral theology requires a unified moral teaching. Ideas have consequences.
    3) The belief one must master vice to enter heaven (Gal 5:19) has lost favor circa 1600.
    4) The lack of routine confession is well, routine (see 3). No practice, no perfect.

    But wouldn’t it be great if someone said to you “I noticed you have been working on your stubbornness and being more accommodating/compromising. Good for you.”
    See point 4) above. Btw, what happened to your blog?

  24. Scott says:

    Dalrock-

    Can you put me in touch with mdavid? (if he is OK with it)

  25. JDG says:

    I didn’t want to tell June to curb her authority

    What authority that would be?

    Authority over which bread to use for the sammiches I would hope. Somehow I don’t think that was what the woman was talking about.

  26. The Question says:

    Meanwhile, I only imagine how her mother will spin it when her daughter comes home one day and whines about the 4-year-old boy on the playground who, despite teasing her to no end about her “bossy” behavior, she has a crush on and wants to know how to get him to like her back.

  27. jbro1922 says:

    @The Question

    See the movie “He’s Just Not That Into You.” I believe it’s Drew Barrymore’s character who makes the point that women seek out men who treat them like crap because they are told as girls that when a boy pulls your hair, or does mean things to you that he likes you (I’m thinking she extended this to women who get involved in abusive relationships as well.). Then she proceeds to stalk this guy and when discussing it with her girlfriends says something to the effect of “What if he is the love of my life? Am I just supposed to let it go?”

  28. Gunner Q says:

    terrifictm @ 11:46 am:
    “But to be fair, as I’ve gotten older I have fewer and fewer male friends as well, which seems to be a new phenomenon. Since the 1970s, the number of close friends men have has dropped from something like 3.2 to less than 1.3.”

    Paralleling the drop in intact families. Unlike women, men can’t really socialize for the sake of socializing. Having kids was certainly a good way to get out of the house and have something in common with other guys. Broken families, hostile churches/culture and economic misery make being a part of society very hard.

    Men quite literally don’t have anything to do, therefore we don’t have anybody to do it with.

    mdavid @ 2:01 pm:
    “2) Public moral theology requires a unified moral teaching. Ideas have consequences.”

    Public morality is easy to agree upon. Don’t lie, don’t kill, don’t steal, keep your promises… it doesn’t take a priest to distinguish between most good and evil. These women aren’t making a case for bossy being normal and healthy. They’re making a case for not judging bossiness. As if we can stop being slaves to sin by spelling it F-U-N.

    “3) The belief one must master vice to enter heaven (Gal 5:19) has lost favor circa 1600.”

    Actually circa 30. Circa 1600 was when the belief one must buy a license for vice lost favor.

  29. Malcolm says:

    The feminists seem insistent on creating a vast cohort of unbearable, lonely women. On bossiness, JRR Tolkein put it best: “The most improper job of any man, even saints (who at any rate were at least unwilling to take it on), is bossing around other men. Not one in a million is fit for it, and least of all those who seek the opportunity.”

  30. Yoda says:

    The feminists seem insistent on creating a vast cohort of unbearable, lonely women.

    When lose their youth and beauty they do,
    men will suffer their presence not.

  31. Scott says:

    4) The lack of routine confession is well, routine (see 3). No practice, no perfect.

    Boy this is the truth. Since converting to a confessional faith tradition, I have improved in every area of my Christian life imaginable.

  32. ‘Bossy’ is a euphemism for ‘bitchy’. Everyone knows that.

  33. The Question says:

    @jbro1922

    One has to wonder why mothers give this kind of bad advice to their own daughters about boys/men. Is it because they genuinely believe what they say, or is it because they themselves chased after the bad boys in their youth and are still trying to rationalize their decisions?

  34. The drive to destroy the lives of girls and boys at such an early age is disturbing. There was a time when parents just wanted their children to be happy, functional and productive. That meant providing them with the tools to effectively navigate both the social sphere and the economic sphere to achieve acceptance from society at large. Now it seems parents want to sabotage their children’s lives before they even being schooling.

    Being ‘bossy’ is not a good trait. Bossy just means an overbearing loudmouth who cannot be told to stop. Men do not respond well to bossy women.

  35. That should be… ‘begin schooling’.

  36. jbro1922 says:

    @ The Question

    I used to think women genuinely believed their bad advice. I remember when I was dating how eye-opening it was to read dating advice from men. That has become the number one piece of advice I give my single female friends–don’t ever take dating advice from other women. I thought it was the solipsism. My mother never allowed me read Seventeen, or Cosmo or any women’s magazines when I was a teenager. I used to hate that she did that. I always felt like I was missing something until I got older and realized all I missed was needless drama.
    Since reading this website, I’m starting to think it’s more the second reason you listed.

  37. Allison says:

    Emma was the authoritative one. They totally overruled her natural leadership. I think the word leadership dosn’t mean what June’s mom thinks it means.

  38. Yoda says:

    A good friend of mine pulled me aside the other day. She had just dropped off her 4-year-old daughter, whom I’ll call Emma, for an afternoon playdate with my 5-year-old daughter, June.

    “I don’t know how to tell you this,” my friend said. “But Emma told me she doesn’t really want to play with June anymore because June is always telling her what to do, then making Emma feel bad when she doesn’t comply.”

    Sounds like bullying this does.
    Sounds like leadership not.

  39. Regular Guy says:

    @ Yoda

    “What authority that would be?”

    That’s the tell of the feminist’s perception of authority. In feminist fantasy land, authority is intrinsic to the neither “gender”…

    …except the female “gender”…

    …except neither “gender” has authority over the other…

    …except the female “gender”. Since “gender” is a fluid, feminist political/social construct, they cherry-pick masculine virtues to assert to the female “gender”. Note, the “unfun” masculine virtues like accountability, responsibility, loyalty, honor and duty aren’t given a second thought because of their obvious lameness.

  40. Mark says:

    @Dalrock……..Nice post!

    When I have to endure a “BOSSY” woman(oldest sister comes to mind).They get subjugated to a certain piece of the household property………..the front curb………….with the rest of the trash!

  41. Maren says:

    People always forget. Half of “Love Thy Neighbor” is making Thyself Loveable!

  42. greyghost says:

    My wife learned a lesson in gender from my son. She actually said out loud to me that when she took my son to the park my son would meet other little boys and they would just play. The girls were never like that. I remember in my highschool days we could pick teams and play a serious game of tackle football with guys we have never seen before.

  43. jack says:

    The only cure is to call them out, swiftly, with strength, and with no mercy for offense or tears.

  44. The Question says:

    @jbro1922

    That seems to be the case. I’ve observed a major generational divide between the advice older women give to younger girls. When I was growing up, women I knew from the Greatest Generation gave mostly blunt, practical counsel to both genders (girls shouldn’t chase cads and boys shouldn’t date tramps), whereas women about twenty years younger (Baby Boomers) talked very much like the mother in this Babble post.

  45. Regular Guy says:

    @GunnerQ

    “Public morality is easy to agree upon. Don’t lie, don’t kill, don’t steal, keep your promises…

    I’d have to disagree. Modern Atheists make this assertion routinely, yet have always failed to address sufficiently the logical endpoint: What happens when the majority decides on a new morality?

    At one time or another, the majority of Americans saw the “Good” in abortion, slavery, patriarchy, freedom of association, property rights and a person’s right to the fruits of their labor. In those times, a defense based on the moral claims of the day were made for their continuance. Today, all of those public moralities have been turned on it’s upside-down and the majority now call the opposite to be “Good”. What does it mean for something to be “Good” when it can be declared so by a fickle majority? Even if generations of thoughtful deliberation were made before accepting the moral claim, what does it say about our understanding of “Good” and “Evil” if it has been reduced to nothing more than to what is preferable and not preferable? What does it say about us who condemn those of the past when we choose our new morality along such frivolous lines of understanding?

    America has a long history of declaring an objective moral law without The Objective Moral Law Giver, The Cornerstone, The Lord Jesus Christ. This has been a generational source of pain, suffering, confusion and evil.

  46. Spike says:

    Disney is a satanic institution that parents should keep away from their kids. Forget Babble. Disneys “Frozen” teaches young girls – children – that lesbian relationships are desirable. This is on top of the sexual subtexts they embed into their stories.
    If a man, rather than a corporation did these things to children, the full force of pedophilia law would imprison him for life.

  47. Regular Guy says:

    @ GunnerQ

    I misread what you wrote. As you correctly wrote, it is relatively easy for the most part to agree on a public morality. /insert foot in mouth

    But to be clear, that has no bearing on what is true or not and the consequences of calling evil, “Good”.

  48. Dave says:

    Isaiah 5:20King James Version (KJV)

    20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

  49. benfromtexas says:

    The last sentence in this post is killer.

  50. Lloyd G says:

    Well, when that girl grows up she will evolve into a bossy woman.

    Okay, guys, who’ll marry her, lol.

    At least the Bossy’s wont reproduce, so it is a one generation problem.

  51. Looking Glass says:

    Before we get too far, it should be pointed out that the “Ban Bossy” ‘movement’ was specifically setup to lay the groundwork for Hilary Clinton’s 2016 Presidential Campaign. All of the major people behind the organizing are or were already involved in the Presidential Campaign. The entire thing is an intentional PsyOp.

    As to the story, yeah, she’s setting her daughter up for failure.

  52. greyghost says:

    Rollo Tomassi
    Soon 4chann will have Christian submission for feminism. They will cook meals and serve them while wearing dresses

  53. Just Saying says:

    asking us to stop using the word “bossy” when referring to girls and women

    No worries. I’ll just call them a bitch if they are ugly, and a sweet thing if I want them to suck me off while I spank their round little butt – no problemo… Got it – so that is the politically correct way to refer to bossy women these days…

  54. Dale says:

    Gunner Q
    > Unlike women, men can’t really socialize for the sake of socializing.

    Not sure what you are thinking here. Maybe you mean that men tend to do this much less than women?
    But male bonding and socializing is certainly possible. For a few years a group of 4 of us got together once a week to play games.
    There were additional intermittent men, plus a few occasional women.
    When it was just the 4 core men, we frequently also engaged in theological discussions.
    I really enjoyed that. I stopped going when I moved away, but nevertheless, male socializing, merely for the sake of socializing, is certainly possible.

    >Actually circa 30.

    Completely agree here however. I like how Eph 2:8-10 includes both the idea that we are to do good, but in the same passage it also clearly says we are not saved by those good works.

  55. snowdensjacket0x0x0 says:

    This has all been foretold. From the prophecies of the black community. Look at your modern black woman. This is the hell that awaits our daughters, due to our weakness in putting an end to this.

  56. Anchorman says:

    Rollo,
    I think the ones that responded were bot accounts, or so says my son (who hates SJWs).

  57. gargoylevirgin01 says:

    @Spike
    “Disney is a satanic institution that parents should keep away from their kids. Forget Babble. Disneys “Frozen” teaches young girls – children – that lesbian relationships are desirable…”

    I had low expectations of Frozen before I saw it because of how women are saying that they learned, “I don’t need a man.” “Girl power” and so much more. I watched at least 1 year after it went into theaters at a relative’s house. I spent most of the time looking for anything and everything feminism. To my surprise, I really couldn’t find anything feminist about it. Maybe because I am a kid at heart.

    Anyway, the most I could find feminist about it was some of the lines from the song Let it Go. Also, maybe when Olaf gets a little too excited about the “act of true love” Anna did for Elsa at the end. Is that what you mean when the movie promotes lesbian? When Anna gets in the way to stop Hans? I don’t really see it. Did I become emotional at this scene in the movie? Not really.

    I know that there is nothing more powerful and emotional than seeing a man and a woman show true love for each other.

    So this movie has protagonists of two sisters. Nothing wrong with that, right, if done in a way not to shame and attack men.

    Didn’t Kristoff help Anna get to and from Elsa’s ice palace? When they were escaping from the wolves, Kristoff put Anna on his reindeer to make the jump over the trench. He helped Anna escape the snowman monster. As Anna was freezing, Kristoff carried her in his arms back to the castle. Anna also helped Kristoff also by throwing him the anchor rope thing to keep him from falling into the trench and other instances too. Doesn’t it prove that men and women need each other?

    I think what I liked most about this movie is that the handsome prince charming alpha hot guy is not necessarily who he appears to be despite I wish there was better explanation why Hans was evil at the end. Kristoff, who was more beta, was more of a prince than Hans could be.

    On YouTube and other internet places, I have seen comments by feminist whining about Kristoff helping Anna, Anna apologizing whenever she spoke a little too harshly toward Kristoff, and when they kissed at the end. There were feminists upset that Anna and Kristoff kissed at the end, saying that it hurts the “movie’s message” that you don’t need a man.

    I admit the kiss scene at the end was the last thing I expected to see based on what I heard about the movie.

    On a side note, at ShopRite, I found that Frozen had been turned into a book. I skimmed through it, and found a little new twist to the ending. After Anna turned to ice, breaking Hans’s sword, and knocking him to the ground, Hans was down but he was not out. Hans gets back up, picks up his broken sword, and attempts to go after again Elsa as she is crying over her frozen sister. Kristoff comes in just in time, punches Hans in the face, and knocks him out. I am suspicious that this may have been a deleted scene from the movie itself based on Hans getting up on the boat while he is grasping his face as if someone punched him.

  58. Boston to Providence says:

    Babble
    bab·ble \ˈba-bəl\
    verb
    1. to talk foolishly or too much
    2. to make speech sounds that do not make sense to the hearer

  59. MarcusD says:

  60. OneFatOzGuy says:

    I saw a photo on Facebook of a (not very feminine) woman wearing a shirt with “Strong women intimidate boys and excite men”.
    For some reason I was unable to comment.
    I was going to write ” that’s just his opinion and everyone’s entitled to their opinion”.
    Would’ve been interesting to see the reaction.

  61. dvdivx says:

    i’m just waiting for Disney to replace Winnie the Pooh with Pedobear.

  62. Aservant says:

    I think some of you are a bit out of touch with reality thinking that these “bossy girls” will become horrible women that will be all alone with no one to marry them. Not so fast. Yes, they will be horrible women, but our society is experiencing a monumental shift to the dark side. Satan is coming full power. There are millions of “sub” men out there today (submissive) that get off being abused by intolerable hags, not just to mention the every day “manginas” who are so pathetic and soulless that there is nothing even close to recognizable, masculine, self esteem left in them. These men will drudge through life being lorded over by a “bossy bitch” without much of a fuss, they all kind of suffer from a variety of Stockholm syndrome. In fact, they too seem to enjoy it in a really perverse, “emo” way. And of course there is the ever growing expansion of perversion where being married or in a relationship is just an opportunity to revel in wicked duplicity, so, who cares if your wife is a super c*nt? It’s all for appearance anyway! And she makes bank! There are thousands, perhaps millions of men and women out there that are leading double lives as dykes and queers and seem very much to enjoy sneaking around, as it makes them “feel powerful” in their rebellion against God. If you aren’t aware of this, just check personals in CL sometime to see all the sodomites looking for straight men, or all the “straight men” looking for queers. It is the same with the women. Damn, there are even websites dedicated to this perversion these days.

    Fasten your seat belts boys, its all the way to the bottom now……….

  63. MarcusD says:

    Do SAHMs really have to do all the housework?
    http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=981668

    Son is suspended from school
    http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=981598

  64. Red Pill Latecomer says:

    This celebration of the Bossy Girl seems to be a reboot of Grrl Power.

    Both of which are shorthand for Strong, Smart, Independent Woman.

    Which are alternate versions of Getting In Your Face, or capping an obnoxious statement with Get Used to It.

    So much of modern culture is about being rude and obnoxious, mostly to straight, white men — while at the same time demanding sensitivity and Safe Zones for the very people who are always shouting and getting into other people’s faces.

  65. Exfernal says:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_of_the_Bulls – was ‘socializing’ the primary reason for this practice? I would rather participate in an online team deathmatch, but the principle still holds.

  66. Tam the Bam says:

    “Emma (4) keeps playing to keep June(5) happy.”
    And what exactly is the game that young (up to 20% junior) Emma dislikes?
    I do hope it’s not “Doctors & Nurses”.
    That would not end well for apprentice dominatrix June if the Social Work dept. got to hear.

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  68. Yoda says:

    There are millions of “sub” men out there today (submissive) that get off being abused by intolerable hags, not just to mention the every day “manginas” who are so pathetic and soulless that there is nothing even close to recognizable, masculine, self esteem left in them. These men will drudge through life being lorded over by a “bossy bitch” without much of a fuss

    Marriage happen it might.
    Unhappy with the roles they will be.
    Divorce soon enough it will come

  69. Dave says:

    This has all been foretold. From the prophecies of the black community. Look at your modern black woman. This is the hell that awaits our daughters, due to our weakness in putting an end to this.

    As is obvious to all seeing eyes. It’s the men who allow feminism to fester in the West, to their own eternal detriment. The women in Muslim lands dare not in a million years demand “equality” with their men. They will either be stoned or beheaded, their family members throwing the first stones, or swinging the first machete. The Western man has become too financially successful for his own good. Wealth, coupled with lack of religion, has weakened him to a point where he cannot exert his dominance over his woman. No wonder she has become feral and insufferable, and makes his life unbearable.
    If society is like it is today, it is frightening to imagine how it will be in 30-40 years.

  70. Dave says:

    @Regular Guy:

    America has a long history of declaring an objective moral law without The Objective Moral Law Giver, The Cornerstone, The Lord Jesus Christ. This has been a generational source of pain, suffering, confusion and evil.

    Preach it, brother. All moral laws ultimately originate in God.

    There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy… James 4:12

    For the Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, the Lord is our king… Isaiah 33:22

    Clinging to the moral law without acknowledging the Lawgiver is as smart as despising the government while crying “leave my Medicare alone!”

  71. BradA says:

    Dale,

    But male bonding and socializing is certainly possible. For a few years a group of 4 of us got together once a week to play games.

    That is one thing I am trying to setup and finding it very hard to do in today’s environment. I have the location and games, but not the group of men.

    Small groups of men may hunt, play golf, or do other activities together in a similar manner. Setting up that group is the challenge.

    It is much harder to get a group of men together in my view, which fits with Gunner Q’s argument, but your point that men can group has merit as well. It is just more difficult.

    I would probably argue that some of this is because it is easier for women to have very superficial relationships, the exact opposite of the modern meme we normally see.

    This issue could use some consideration.

  72. jbro1922 says:

    “This has all been foretold. From the prophecies of the black community. Look at your modern black woman. This is the hell that awaits our daughters, due to our weakness in putting an end to this.”

    A lot of what has crippled the black community is the history of systemic racism and discrimination. Remember, we had to amend the Constitution just to acknowledge that we were human beings (not 3/5 of a person), citizens of the United States (and not slaves) and that we could vote (actually, the 15th amendment only gave black men the right to vote.). Because that wasn’t just assumed. On the other hand, racism cannot excuse personal responsibility and accountability.

  73. BradA says:

    Aservant,

    Some women may make good money, but most will muddle along at best. It may seem good for the guys who check out, but it will certainly not put the pairing in good financial shape. That declining standard of living will not help keep this arrangement going for long.

    “What can’t continue, won’t continue.”

  74. nick012000 says:

    >That is one thing I am trying to setup and finding it very hard to do in today’s environment. I have the location and games, but not the group of men.

    If you’re interested in card games like Magic the Gathering or RPGs like Dungeons and Dragons, you can use Wizards of the Coast’s store locator to locate a gaming shop near where you live; most such stores run Magic tournaments every Friday, and there’s usually weekly RPG sessions as well.

  75. Gunner Q says:

    nick012000 @ 9:43 am:
    “If you’re interested in card games like Magic the Gathering or RPGs like Dungeons and Dragons…”

    That’s exactly what I do to find friends these days. My experience is you can put a dozen women in a room and they’ll talk about feelings or whatever, but if you put a dozen men in a room they’ll be uncomfortable unless somebody has at least a deck of cards.

    But hobbies are getting expensive these days like everything else. Men are socializing less while women just don’t stop.

  76. dvdivx says:

    “A lot of what has crippled the black community is the history of systemic racism and discrimination.”
    Then what explains sub-Sahara Africa? Any whites there except for SA have been killed by blacks and they still can’t even grow enough food to feed themselves or produce a country with a standard of living equal to many third world countries not in Africa. If you are so concerned about slavery which ended here over 100 years ago then go over there where it’s still active and talk to actual slaves there or in the Middle East. I can also assure you that if you think whites are racist here you have never traveled. No one is more racist than Gulf Arabs. Really. Even tribal/religious hatred in Nigeria is nothing compared to that level of racism. The old lame blame whitey isn’t going to help you or anyone else.

  77. nick012000 says:

    >Any whites there except for SA have been killed by blacks
    And the blacks there are busy working on changing that. I’d go on, but I’m not sure how Dalrock feels about this sort of political discussion on this blog, though; it seems a bit off topic.

  78. dvdivx says:

    They are just as busy in Sweden. Eventually changing demographics will force people to talk about it.

  79. dvdivx says:

    As far as black women goes I have known two white men married to African women (not African-American) and they were both amazing women with great personalities. However both men were the old-school alpha type men. If they were milquetoast betas it would be different. If you want a traditional marriage you’d better have the traditional red pill male frame.

  80. Dban says:

    That is one thing I am trying to setup and finding it very hard to do in today’s environment. I have the location and games, but not the group of men.

    Regarding male groups I agree it can be difficult but I have worked on mine very hard and I’m glad to say my group of male friends has met and played games together for a full day once every month for the past 11 years.

    None of us were red pill when it started but all of us are now, and it all started with 2 divorces. My first wife frivorced me to go be with her soul mate (lol) and my co-worker divorced his wife because she refused sex for 2 years.

    When each of us got divorced we realized that we had lost most if not all of our pre marriage friends. Besides family and co workers we had abandoned pretty much all relationships outside of the one with our wives (so beta). We shared a mutual interest in video games so we started having monthly LAN parties to just hang out with the guys. Over the years we have added a couple guys and switched mostly to board and card games but it is still going strong and we are adding new people all the time. We started out with 3 and now hover around 8-10.

    The things we did that I think helped it to succeed.

    •We scheduled it 1 month in advance: This helps everyone make sure their schedules are clear.

    •We only do the official group 1 time per month: Although some of us meet up at other times through the month having the official meetup only be once per month makes it more of an event that everyone looks forward too.

    •We have an absolutely no women policy unless they are serving us food, and even then they have to gtfo once that is done. Young (pre teen) children are allowed but not encouraged. Once they hit teen years only boys are allowed. Teen and young boys are encouraged because we do various manly things (in addition to the games we play) and talk about manly subjects so we show them there are alternatives the the milquetoast feminist bs they are spoon fed their whole lives.

    •We keep it fun and flexible: Although we normally have specific things we like to do we always are open do doing other stuff. If there is a good game on we might watch that for a while. If we have new weapons we might go shoot those. etc.

    Once we got things rolling it has been good ever since. Just a few years ago we also added in a 4 day guy trip every year to one of the big gaming conventions, also no girls, and that has been a pretty big success too.

  81. Charlotte says:

    My second daughter used to go to preschool one morning a week, and her strong-willed personality sometimes made her a handful there. Her teacher would always paint the incidents her stubbornness would cause in a positive light and claimed it would be benefit her in adulthood, but I doubt it will. One of the reasons I enrolled her at all was to give her the opportunity to have kids other than her siblings to push back against her emerging bossiness and hopefully squash it before she reaches kindergarten and negative traits start to become entrenched. I was a teacher before becoming a stay-at-home mom, and it has been sad to watch the “ban bossy” campaign make reprimanding difficult and uncooperative behavior in girls political incorrect. I’ve noticed how hesitant teachers have become when speaking about female students’ behavior.

  82. Yet another Commenter says:

    The two superstars are asking us to stop using the word “bossy” when referring to girls and women. And as for me, a bossy lady who is a mother of a bossy girl, I can not agree with this movement more.

    To explain what is going on here: this is about literally cultivating literal shamelessness, and to do so by re-engineering the very fabric of language, if that is what must be done to achieve this end.

    People condemn certain behaviours, because they are destructive? They might be right to do so, but you have no intention of changing, because wow it’s fun (for me, right now)? Quick: destroy the very meanings (and meaningfulness) of words, so as to avoid dealing with their criticisms …

  83. Looking Glass says:

    @dvdivx:

    A personal favorite is to get a Turk vs Gulf Arab “discussion” going. Both sides invented words to quantify the racism between the two sides.

    Most Westerners have no clue how ugly the rest of the World actually is. Nor how industrial we’ve made our own evil so we can ignore it.

  84. Spike says:

    Gargoylevirgin01:
    Thanks for your comment. I would say you are indeed a kid at heart, just with an adult understanding.
    Symbolism is the unspoken language of the spiritual. Understand it and you understand the real message sent.we understand symbols all the time. Consider road rules.
    The best way to pick up the symbolism of a story is to watch I with the sound off
    Children watching “Frozen” will get the idea that girls are for cuddling with and men are either bad, or live for serving them. It’s the reinforcement of the message so bitterly condoned on blogs like Dalrock’s.

  85. J1J2 says:

    Teaching girls to be bossy is not a good idea. The more they think of themselves as strong, the more they will want men who are stronger. But strong men do not particularly value strong (or weak) women. And are much in demand: so many tingles to chase after, so little time.

  86. P0etentiate says:

    Isn’t bossy just a gentle way of saying arrogant?

  87. jonakc1 says:

    yes yes yes!
    many women now who are bossy and rebellious
    are even Christian and stay at home moms

    they quote the bible, pray everyday and
    use servant leadership to make their husband do at the least 50% if not more of her homemaking duties!!

    and the men LOVE it
    they feel superior to men of the past who were not Evolved like them!

    they think that men who work away for months are sinners etc etc

    these are the new laws even in conservative society
    men and women are swapped

    there is no way to reverse it

  88. The Tingler says:

    I guess we’re all going to ignore the most obvious fact about this ‘ban bossy’ movement. It was set up by Beyonce and Jennifer Garner to, apparently, benefit Hillary Clinton.

    All three are high powered women whose husbands cheated on them. All of them strong, independent, don’t need men to complete them, so their men went and completed other women.

    People mentioned black women, who exemplify this hideous behavior more than anyone else. Black women are universally considered the least attractive women by men. Black men ditch them for other races’ women every chance they get. Yet somehow white feminists take them as their models for how women should behave. It is to laugh.

    Oh, you’re strong and independent? Great, go be strong and independent on somebody else’s time, that’s not what men are looking for in a woman. It’s no coincidence all your feminist icons keep getting cheated on.

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