Is it robolove or robolust?

The topic of sexbots is making the rounds again, and once again the question is how they fit with our new sexual morality.  The last time this went around the argument by Dr Helen Driscoll was that using sexbots would become accepted as moral because their users would fall in love with them.  This sets up the angry feminist backlash by Dr Kathleen Richardson, who explained to the Daily Express that the problem with robosex is a lack of purifying emotion:

Dr Richardson believes humanoid sex robots reinforce traditional and damaging stereotypes of women.

It also perpetuates the view that a relationship does not need to be more than simply physical.

Drs. Richardson and Driscoll aren’t alone in their modern idea that sexual morality is determined by the amount of emotion involved.  Dr. Albert Mohler, President of the The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, uses a very similar argument to explain why men viewing pornography is immoral.  Dr. Mohler warns that pornography weakens the power of denial of sex as a tool for wives to control their husbands.  As a result of this loss of power by wives, husbands will fail to mix in the purifying emotion which makes sex moral:

…Since the male sex drive is largely directed towards genital pleasure, men often assume that women are just the same…

The emotional aspect of sex cannot be divorced from the physical dimension of the sex act. Though men are often tempted to forget this, women possess more and less gentle means of making that need clear.

Consider the fact that a woman has every right to expect that her husband will earn access to the marriage bed…

…when I say that a husband must regularly “earn” privileged access to the marital bed, I mean that a husband owes his wife the confidence, affection, and emotional support that would lead her to freely give herself to her husband in the act of sex.

It shouldn’t come as a surprise that Drs. Driscoll, Richardson, and Mohler are all using the same yardstick to determine sexual morality.  This is the modern way of thinking, and it is a direct consequence of our replacing traditional marriage with serial monogamy.  Under the new view, headship is inverted and sex is purified by romantic love.

All three are looking at this through the wrong lens, but in the narrow disagreement between Drs. Driscoll and Richardson I can only agree with Dr. Driscoll.  Dr. Richardson argues that robosex is immoral because it lacks purifying emotion.  However, to the extent that robosex is worse than other masturbation tools the problem is the opposite.   With vibrators and pornography the misuse is almost entirely physical.  With sexbots there will be a much higher risk that romantic love would be misused as well:

“The physical act of sex will only be a small part of the time you spend with a sex robot – the majority of time will be spent socialising and interacting,” Roxxxy’s creator believes.

The biggest problem we have is that having jettisoned real sexual morality, we aren’t able to process the dangers that sexbots will pose in any meaningful way.  If romantic love makes sex moral, the proponents of sexbots will always have a seemingly undefeatable argument in their favor.  To argue that emotions don’t purify sex would undermine our entire modern edifice of sexual morality.  This leaves us arguing over whether having sex with an artificial person involves emotion.  If this is the discussion, those in favor of sexbots have the far stronger position.

Aside from the purely moral question, there is another risk regarding sexbots.  Our economy is built on the expectation that men will be motivated by marriage to produce in excess of their own needs.  As we continue to degrade marriage, sexbots will be there to fill the gaps.

Sexbots don’t even need to become a direct replacement for marriage to have a profound effect on our economy.  Our current system relies on young men continuing to prepare to be providers while marriage continues to be further and further delayed.  Sexbots will in this context be yet another distraction tempting young men to coast instead of working diligently in anticipation of their future wives tiring of having sex with other men.  As each successive cohort of women tires of the carousel and starts looking for husbands, they will increasingly find that the cohort of men they hoped to marry are still willing to marry but fewer and fewer are in a position to play the role of provider.  Additionally, sexbots could also accelerate the decline in men’s willingness to remarry after being punished in divorce court.

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150 Responses to Is it robolove or robolust?

  1. killerwhale681 says:

    If a man falls in love with his robot…..well, I reckon any port in the storm. Feminists will howl over the lost plundered income.

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  4. “Consider the fact that a woman has every right to expect that her husband will earn access to the marriage bed…”

    Really? Doesn’t he earn that right when he marries her? If they are married, then the husband has already earned access to the marriage bed.

    “…when I say that a husband must regularly “earn” privileged access to the marital bed, I mean that a husband owes his wife the confidence, affection, and emotional support that would lead her to freely give herself to her husband in the act of sex.”

    How the hell is the act of sex “freely given” if the husband has to regularly earn access to it? Doesn’t this idiot know a contradiction when he sees one? The fact that mainstream Christianity… excuse me, churchianity teaches this is a huge indictment on modern Christianity.

  5. BADventist says:

    After sexbots may come wifebots with artificial wombs, with the ability to install high quality eggs.

  6. Ayatollah says:

    If the chattering classes are going to engage in such blatant incel-shaming, we should ramp up the slut-shaming.

  7. wanderer9641 says:

    There is so much truth in this minefield – Will men decide that, financially, $7,000 for a sexbot is a far better investment that the constant drain of money wasted on women? Will divorced men look at their losses and decide that that was more than enough. With the money spent on some weddings you could have a harem and technology is advancing enough that in a few tears they will cook, clean, talk with more intelligence (siri like), not nag, do not need shopping for therapy.
    Feminists have every right to be afraid of sexbots as they could easily replace them and it would be a vast improvement in men’s lives. Cats will have many feeding stations.

  8. Anchorman says:

    The next shaming technique for incels: any man who uses sexbots is really a rapist, deep down. That’s the only way they can get off is through involuntary sex. And rape is about sex for the duration of the shaming. Until it’s not.

    They’re raping our robots!!!!

    Now, where’s the “rabbit?” giggle, giggle, hair flip

  9. Pete says:

    One can only wonder what with AI if sexbots will become hypergamous.

  10. paddy says:

    So what price point, will have sexbots start to see wide adoption? If they are 95% as good in bed as the average woman, would $9,999 kick off the revolution? Cheaper than the cheapest new car, and, no divorce rape.

  11. Spike says:

    “It also perpetuates the view that a relationship does not need to be more than simply physical”

    So, Kathleen (Dr Richardson, but I know you’re an egalitarian girl at heart), can you do something for women to perpetuate the view that women have toward us men, that the relationship does not need to be any more than financial?

  12. PokeSalad says:

    One can only wonder what with AI if sexbots will become hypergamous.

    Yep..when “she” wants to upgrade to 2.0, look out.

  13. Looking Glass says:

    @Pete:

    The Japanese programmers won’t let that happen.

    Also, expect voice packs. I imagine there’ll be a really nice business in selling very sexy voices. Let me correct that. Since I know the Japanese well enough. There already IS a very nice business in selling sexy voices, whether for games, animation or other products.

    @paddy:

    2500-3000 USD is probably the price point. Somewhere around a really good computer/guitar level. But the real trick is in crowd-sourcing the programming. That would drive the development needed, once the resources get there.

    I still laugh at the getting this topic going a few years ago, but there’s been enough scuttlebutt among the AI/Robots types for a while that it’s really quite close. We’ve seen pretty much all of the necessary tech being readied, so it’s just a matter of time before custom models start selling for a lot. Expect it to be considered “shameful” for a while. But then someone will fund an HBO show called “RoboLove”, then all of the “good” little sheep will fall in line.

    Of course, it really does present a problem. Just like using whores, using a SexBot isn’t an overall “healthy” idea. But, even as a Christian, if I’m advising a non-Christian, the logic is pretty straight forward: Sexbots over Sluts. The downside risk potential with sluts simply makes the calculation pretty easy. That’s where the World has left us at the moment. May the Lord Return soon.

  14. praetorian says:

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/16/sexbots-why-women-should-panic/

    most blokes are fine with a pizza and a wank.

    Milo is our foremost public philosopher.

  15. Scott says:

    Ok, normally I have a policy of immediately leaving once my eyes acquire the word “sexbot” but, only Dalrock can do– you have made this into a relevant duscussion (because of the larger issue that it ultimately turns on).

    Nice job.

  16. Minesweeper says:

    “Consider the fact that a woman has every right to expect that her husband will earn access to the marriage bed…”

    He foolishly thinks when a “wife” hears this she will think in other terms of non negotiable financial reward.

    “Oh there is a hand bag I like ….. ”

    If you tell a woman your husband has to pay you to f2ck you, she will happily demand payment – every f*cking time…..

    happily.

  17. Dave says:

    I think it is about time that true Christians took back their faith from the churchians. This has gone really too far. It is about time that believers in Jesus withdrew their membership from any church, pastor or preacher.

  18. Dale says:

    @Archorman
    >The next shaming technique for incels: any man who uses sexbots is really a rapist

    Too late. I have already seen an article do that already. The argument was that the robot cannot consent, therefore it is rape by the man. The fact that you cannot “rape” an unliving object was, unsurprisingly, ignored.

    For those suggesting that sexual stimulation with an unliving object is “sex”, this means you must also accept that a woman using a dildo, or anything else, to penetrate herself is having sex. Unless she is far more spaced-out than I anticipate, she will “feel” no emotional connection with the piece of plastic she is using to penetrate herself. Since no emotional connection exists, this event would obviously be rape, according to the feminist definition.
    But since the woman is herself the only person there, that means she is her own rapist. Hmmm… I wonder how soon we can start sending women who use dildos to prison? But maybe she could convince the judge she is a victim of the (literally) heartless piece of plastic, and thus the piece of plastic should be sent to prison instead. And then forced to work so it can pay alimony. This could be a fun argument🙂

  19. Again Dalrock nails it Center Mass. The issue is not the morality of robosex but the practical consequences. Young boys today are not motivated to study hard or get a good job. They see what is offered to them by the current crop of Facebook addicted, hyperbitchyyougogiiiirrls and are doing the same thing you do when you walk into a bar filled with nasty fat women. The are ‘noping’ the frack right out of the bar and out of life these days. Robosex and VR will make the problem much worse. I believe it will have to be regulated.

    Maybe the government can put a program into the robogirlfriends- no sex until you do X, Y, Z benchmarks? Look on the bright side- in this Brave New World we could encourage pro-social positive behavior rather than relying on the natural inclination of women to reward criminals, psychopaths, and undifferentiated cave men with free access to the coveted vaginal orifice.

  20. RMM says:

    I’ll likely be much too old by the time the complete robogirl package arrives to truly make full use of them (by then I’ll likely be looking at how good they are at changing adult diapers and regulating my alzheimer’s medication – assuming they arrive that early), but I’m looking forward to the inevitable hang-wringing and mental gymnastics the feminist will engage into when explaining how a man selling another man an appliance will somehow be the same as beating up women.

    Likely outcome is more disengaged men, who’ll leave the women free to chase their high-paying PowerPoint building jobs and get on the “top 20%” carusel as they will. Somehow, they’ll have to reconcile their cries of no-men-needing independence with wanting men to be there ready to de-independize them while at the same time respecting their independence.

    Anyway, as TFH has repeatedly said, it’s not the sex bots, it’s the VR sex. While everyone’s distracted with the sexbots, VR sex is going to sneak in and make an absolute mess of things.

  21. “The fact that mainstream Christianity… excuse me, churchianity teaches this is a huge indictment on modern Christianity.”

    You should expect nothing less from Mohler. That man has lost his way.

    Anyone remember “The Stepford Wives”? That movie was creepy because it made its viewers – especially young women – wonder, “What if..?”

    As a Christian, I’m opposed to things like this and prostitution on moral grounds; as a Western man, I completely understand why many guys choose them.

  22. embracingreality says:

    Dave says:

    “I think it is about time that true Christians took back their faith from the churchians. This has gone really too far. It is about time that believers in Jesus withdrew their membership from any church, pastor or preacher.”

    Yes Dave, and the men who do that will ultimately be Christian Men Going Their Own Way. Who else is going to do it? Men who marry up reformed church whores, as you’ve suggested here in previous posts? The churches are full of men who stood at the very end of long lines of their wives sexual partners and then took all the obligations and bills. Are reformed Churchian sluts going to leave these churches where they are praised just for showing up with the virtue of having been born with vaginas or more virtuous yet, illegitimate children? Until single men opt out and stop supporting the sham will continue, there is no other way.

    Otherwise church will continue with excrement like this: “Consider the fact that a woman has every right to expect that her husband will earn access to the marriage bed…”

    While the above mohler quote is a filthy, unbiblical lie (1 Cor 7:2,3,4) this much is true- The fact that a Man has every right to expect a prospective wife will earn access to his marriage commitment by being worthy of it in his eyes or he simply refuses to marry.

  23. Rum says:

    In my experience, the one thing that will destroy a young mans faith more thoroughly than anything else is the creeping realization that being religious in the manner his elders have advised him to be will annihilate his genetic line forever — or at least limit his mating experiences to disgusting female specimens who cannot even hide their revulsion for his whinning supplications…
    I’m not saying that Mohler and guys like Mohler are signed up members of Satans team. But I will say that the net effect is the same whether they are or not.
    The best men of every generation have been willing to die for the sake of sustaining their righteous manly pride. And the rev. Mohler wants to put “christianity” squarely in the way of them being able to sustain that pride.
    If he came around my place, I would let my dogs loose on him.

  24. “After sexbots may come wifebots with artificial wombs, with the ability to install high quality eggs.”

    This reminds me of the four season saga, Battle Star Galactica. The robots were extremely human like. I especially liked the #6 played by Tricia Helfer. The Japanese one named, Boomer, was hot also. If robots get that real, perhaps I would even consider the prospect….

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  26. Rum says:

    Vascularitty666
    You have not yet taken a side, And there is no evidence that you are not a robo-troll.
    There is no reason that any living troll like myself should mourn your dis-integration, and the scattering of your robo troll brain parts over the drainage ditch that is running full of nasty flood water behind my house..

  27. feeriker says:

    You should expect nothing less from Mohler. That man has lost his way.

    OK, I’ll admit it and I’ll say it: I relish the thought of this churchian dolt’s wife deciding that he’s no longer worthy of the marriage bed and ejecting him from it. There’s a certain guilty pleasure in watching people gag on their own toxic medicine that they dispense to others without second thought or remorse.

  28. In the future sexbots will drink feminist tears.

    Anything that challenges women’s unilateral control of their Hypergamous power (Prostitution, male hormonal birth control, female viagra, DNA testing for paternity and now sexbots) must be ruthlessly and preemptively legislated against.

    I smell fear.

  29. Tom K. says:

    Mohler pours poison in the water of life. When I think of how he and his ilk, Dobson, Wheat, Smalley, et al., have deceived at least two generations of Christian men, including yours truly, I am in awe of both the ignorance of God’s people and the power of our adversary to lie.

    I remember reading books by authors who insisted it was the New Age Heresies and Humanist Psychology that were going to destroy the church. When feminism was talked against it was always an exaggeration of the secular, over-the-top brand advocated by Betty Friedan/Gloria Steinem and the National Organization for Women, but we were prepared for them!

    No one recognized the Christianized feminism creeping into the Church, largely conceived and developed by Christian pastors, counselors and psychologists, that told young Christian girls they mustn’t marry until they finished college and started their careers. That told them they mustn’t limit themselves to hearth and home but must plan on also/first becoming strong, independent professional women. Of course, these good Christian girls could be trusted NOT to give up their precious purity until their godly white knight came along and swept them off their feet, carrying them effortlessly through the bridal veil before gently plucking their ripe, tender cherry in safety and comfort of their wedding bed!

    And how would she know she had found her white knight? He would be a Christian man, yes, but also a man who wanted a equal partner and not just a brood hen. Someone who accepted that she was just as smart as he, who would always listen to her opinion and never do anything that might upset her. He would UNDERSTAND HER and MAKE HER HAPPY.

    Yeah, right!

  30. Rum says:

    The best default judgement to make regarding guys like Mohler is that they are homosexual sadists who use religious teaching and enforcement as a mechanism to get themselves off by watching straight men endure the agonies of humiliation.

  31. Rodimus903 says:

    Dalrock,

    I find this an interesting topic as I’ve watched anime since 1995. Since that time there have been several high profile series, romantic comedies no less, that have explored this issue. When ever sexbots are discussed I always think of the series Chobits. In that series the male protagonist is falling in love with a robot. The female lead is exasperated because she has to compete and is found wanting. In fact the girl explicitly asks the male why this would happen. It doesn’t address the impact of feminism or divorce but it does show how females react to competition and loss of male resources. I always found the contradiciton odd, because “Chobits” assumes that normal women are superior with no cost benefit analysis going on.

    Rodimus903

  32. @ Rum:

    I don’t understand what you are trying to say. Take the comquats out of your frontal lobe and communicate like a man.

  33. GeminiXcX says:

    …Since the male sex drive is largely directed towards genital pleasure, men often assume that women are just the same…

    The emotional aspect of sex cannot be divorced from the physical dimension of the sex act. Though men are often tempted to forget this, women possess more and less gentle means of making that need clear.

    The sexual indulgences of night-club/college girls, female POF users, and bored housewives would seem to indicate a vastly different reality than the random assumptions re-quoted in italics.

    -GXcX

  34. MarcusD says:

    How important is Chemistry in finding future husband?
    http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=978484

    Spin-off: Would you trust the discernment of a spouse addicted to porn?
    http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=978644

  35. no9 says:

    “…when I say that a husband must regularly “earn” privileged access to the marital bed, I mean that a husband owes his wife the confidence, affection, and emotional support that would lead her to *freely give herself* to her husband in the act of sex.”

    Well if something is not freely given then it costs something. If it costs a husband something to “earn” sex with his wife then that is an act of prostitution on her part. So if she is only willing to give herself freely because he “owes” her something then it is not given freely to begin with and she is by definition a prostitute.

  36. GeminiXcX says:

    Rodimus903 says:
    I find this an interesting topic as. . . no cost benefit analysis going on.

    Rodimus903

    Seriously; signing your name to a post? (You could have at least shortened yourself to R903, or something.) Your insecurity and arrogance knows no bounds, it seems.

    -GXcX001

  37. Alex says:

    I think the feminists are going to miss the ball once again. They’ll focus on sexbots as their target, when the truth is that it will be virtual reality married to 4K video display and a, er… suction device, that will be the wolf in sheep’s clothing. It would be much easier and cheaper to introduce novelty using software, rather than hardware, so just like you could simply buy, or pirate, a software package to drive the latest Porsche model and then buy another package to fly a plane, so you’ll be able to buy a software package for Jessica Alba and another for a Polynesian island girl, instead of having to buy two separate sexbots.

    In addition, virtual reality porn can not be stopped precisely because it will be so valuable. Surgeons will train using it, fighter pilots, teacher/students, online shoppers, television, etc… It will already be coming out in games this year or the next. Feminists will waste their time on sexbots, and by the time they wake up, the men they’re wishing to castigate will be nowhere to be seen, because they’ll be watching Star Trek Enterprise on VR sets, and getting it on with the characters of their choice.

  38. GeminiXcX says:

    “Roxxxy has already had thousands of pre-orders.”

    I found myself disturbed over this^^ declaration. Not in a judgmental way, but in sadness.
    Feminism has destroyed love and the family with such calculation, that it’s come to this?

    Rum says:
    In my experience, the one thing that will destroy a young mans faith more thoroughly than anything else is the creeping realization that being religious in the manner his elders have advised him to be will annihilate his genetic line forever. . .

    Is the “experience” you reference of a personal nature, or of an observatory one? For me, it was personal. There was a haunting comment by GunnerQ in an older thread:

    I was going to say. The untold part of this story is the young men who are rejected/used when they try to get a date and shamed when they don’t try to get a date. It becomes a betrayal of trust in which both sluts and Churchians tag-team him for as long as they can pull off the deception. By the time he ejects from the mess, he’s learned to hate and distrust all women and clergy, if not Christ Himself.
    With regard to all organized religion, it’s time to abandon ship for anyone who hasn’t yet done so, especially single men getting the shaft. I suggest doing it now, because in your pain you will eventually do it anyways. And if you wait too long, you will eject yourself, not only from religion, but also “Christ himself”. Don’t make the same mistake I did, by trying to succeed in religion. It is an exercise in futility and you will turn into someone like me: Clergy trust gone, general respect for females non-existent, faith/hope/love all but destroyed. Eject early enough, and you’ll likely at least avoid the loss of the last three. I’m not trying to engage in theatrics, but do you want to become like me — a man that can reference the scriptures so easily, but with spirituality itself almost completely obliterated? The decision is each individual’s choice to prayerfully make. Strange admonition I just gave, considering I don’t pray anymore — not for a long time. . . It’s too late for me.

    -GXcX

  39. shadescale says:

    A question for the general commenters:

    Given the fact that most of Western Church has been feminized, and that going to church nowadays is like drinking from a poisoned well, how do we reconcile that with command in Hebrews 10:25 ” Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is” with our obvious spiritual needs?

    I’ve been raking myself over the coals over this issue for the past few months since I walked out of my last church for the idiocies of the pastor and his staff, and I really not motivated to find a new church. My devotional life (prayer, Scripture reading, etc) has taken a huge hit, and unfortunately it consists mostly of reading Dalrock, Deep Strength, and similar bloggers. I can’t talk to my parents on this topic (note: I live about a 1000 miles away from them) because their views are just as useless as the pastor’s. It’s gotten so bad that I lie to my parents about attending church (better than hearing their ‘advice’), and THAT shakes me to the core as well.

    I’m not trolling, just confused and wanting help.

    @GXcX: I will pray for you. It’s not too late for you. As much as I dread and fear standing before the Throne, sometimes I wish I could see God take some of these ‘Christian’ leaders behind the cosmic woodshed for all the spiritual trouble they have caused. Just sometimes.

    @ Alex:

    I think that Scott Adams predicted the fall of dating in one of his cartoons:
    http://dilbert.com/search_results?terms=Holodeck

    I honestly think that the next big step in VR porn or romance will be something out of ‘The 6th Day”:

    The only thing it can’t do is make a sandwich.

  40. Having s-x with a s-xbot is no different than masturbation. As a Christian, I know (for a fact) that there is NOTHING in the Bible that stipulates that masturbation is sin or prohibited. So having s-x with a robot is not sin. That said…

    Aside from the purely moral question, there is another risk regarding sexbots. Our economy is built on the expectation that men will be motivated by marriage to produce in excess of their own needs. As we continue to degrade marriage, sexbots will be there to fill the gaps.

    …with unilateral divorce law and the accompanying cash and prizes awarded to the female courtesy of judges immersed in the feminist imperative, I think s-xbots pretty much end marriage. If marriage isn’t completely destroyed for ever with version 2.0, the s-xbot will most certainly destroy it. And why? The s-xbot will always give you s-x on demand. It will stay at home, faithful to you. It will not spend your money and ruin your credit rating. It will not get a judge to sign a restraining order against you. It can’t divorce you and take cash and prizes. It will never age maintaining its peak SMV forever (if you believe in Rollo’s charts.) So that will pretty much be it for feminism. Without the surplus wealth created by men to subsidize the parasitic nature of feminist centric Marriage 2.0, there can be no feminism. Women are net wealth consumers. Without husbands, there lives will ONLY be in decline. The feminist imperative can NOT allow these s-xbots to be made.

    Alas, none of this matters. They will never-EVER (in any of our lifetimes) be able to build a robot that simulates the actual touch and feel and smell and moisture of “the flesh.” And because that wont happen, feminists don’t have anything to worry about (yet….)

  41. Opus says:

    What puzzles me is what an article like that is doing in the Express. The Express (often seen as similar to the Mail) is aimed at Old Age Pensioners (what you call Seniors); the front page of the Express is usually a prediction the weather in the coming months, or the observation that The Queen is a wonderful person. Why would the over 65s be interested in the moralities of masturbation with an automaton – a mechanical doll?

    May I also observe as no one else has yet done so, that Dr Richardson is obese and physically unattractive and thus presumably in the Ivory Tower which is the Social Sciences is not getting a lot of attention. Gee I wonder how that could feed into her work as a Senior Researcher at the former Polytechnic where she takes up space?

    I have long thought that ‘Consent’ which is today used as the Litmus Test of morality is inherently flawed – I assert that no woman has ever consented to any sexual behaviour on the part of a man for to do so would be trip off her Anti-Slut Defence and act as an immediate turn off to a man – such that SJWs (such as Dr Richardson) have need of Epicycles upon Epicycles to make their system workable, and enables (say) those who claim to love their Moggie or Pussy to have (as Dalrock says) the better of the argument. I once represented a man whose girlfriend had taken some very curious photos of him (naked) stroking his Pussy (if you see what I mean).

  42. Dave says:

    Yes Dave, and the men who do that will ultimately be Christian Men Going Their Own Way. Who else is going to do it? Men who marry up reformed church whores, as you’ve suggested here in previous posts?

    On the contrary, I was not advocating that men hurry up and marry reformed whores. What I meant all along was this: when a person is not saved, they tend to go by the dictates of this world, and, in the world, premarital sex is acceptable. However, once they become saved (no, not the same as being a reformed whore), their past sins are forgiven them. If the Bible had made extra marital sin unpardonable in the NT, I would be fully for it. Alas, that is not the case. However, personally, I would still prefer a virgin for me and for any sons I might have. Please, make no mistake, I am not treating sexual sin lightly. However, we need to carefully separate between peersonal preference and Scripture. The two are not the same and sometimes are miles apart.

    However, whore or not, the real reason why young men of today seem not to be able to find virtuous women to marry is not because of feminism per se. Feminism has beeen in existence since the time of Adam and Eve, and what we are witnessing in today’s America occurred during the time of Abraham, and pretty much throughout the 4000-year history of the Jews before Christ came.
    The real reason why it is difficult for many men to find chaste, godly women is due primarily to the failure of the church to do its duty to proselityze and educate the unsaved. It is not rocket science. Today’s problems were hatched at least 20-30 years ago, and so far, the future looks even more bleak.

    America has not had a true Christian revival in over a hundred years. In other words, there is probably no one alive today in America who has witnessed the naked arm of the Lord in action as people of old used to do. Thus, most Americans alive have no (literal) fear of God, and they could deny, mock and banish God from their consciousness without a second thought.

    Instead of the fear of God, what do we have? We have professed Christian bakers who are being bankrupted because they would not bake a wedding cake for wedding homosexuals. We see professed Christians being jailed because they refused to put their names on the wedding certificate of homosexuals. It is only a matter of time—the few true preachers in this land will soon be jailed for preaching against some sin, or for refusing to participate in it; pedophilia will become legalized “as long as the parents of the kid consents on behalf of the kid”. Of course the psychologists and other sick psychiatrists will come out to say “the kids are alright; they are not harmed in any way”.
    I am sad to say that American Christians ain’t seen nuthin’ yet. Today it is lack of wives for the young men. Tomorrow it will become practically shameful to profess publicly that they are Christians. Yes–Christianity will become “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell”, and those who do not keep to that rukle will see themselves being voted out of office, expelled from schools, and being denied jobs and school admissions.
    That is unless the trajectory does not change. And the change can only happen if Christians specifically attack the problem at it’s roots: this is a spiritual problem first of all; it is neither political or ideological or even economical. There is a prince of America, just as there was a prince of Persia, and he is bent on taking this country to hell in a hurry, and punishing American Christians as severely as he could in the meantime.

  43. infowarrior1 says:

    @Prince LaQroix

    He is completely going against scripture which states in corinthians that husbands have authority over their wives body and vice versa and therefore they are not to refuse each other.

  44. greyghost says:

    The real game changers are the artificial womb http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/06/12/artificial-wombs-the-coming-era-of-motherless-births/
    And the other is the creation of an egg http://europe.newsweek.com/biological-babies-same-sex-parents-possibility-after-stem-cell-breakthrough-309453
    Fully sustainable civilization that does not require the cooperation of women. Talk about dread game. I guess God is not a fan of feminism allowing man to discover these things in the world he created. God created all, man doesn’t invent anything he just discovers what God has created.
    She is a helper fellas. The hysteria is from the fact that men are starting to see that.

  45. CSI says:

    I read that Albert Mohler article. To summarize, a good Christian wife is obligated to withhold sex from her husband if she feels he hasn’t been a good husband or a good Christian. But if he has striven to be a good husband and Christian then she will be inspired (perhaps by God) to give him all the sex he could want, as a reward for his good behaviour.

    Albert seems to assume Christian wives are uniformly so virtuous that they will not misuse this responsibility, even unintentionally. He even assures us “Neither uses sex as means of manipulation”.

    When I read this I was sure he was a lifelong bachelor, but when I looked up his bio I see he is married after all. How awesome must his marriage be, am I right?

  46. infowarrior1 says:

    @greyghost

    Dunno man I have a queasy gut feeling about those technologies. You are thinking of the upsides but I fear the downsides due to the sinfulness of man.

  47. greyghost says:

    Never under estimate the wicked selfish nature of women. They had and still do for many living under the delusion of the virtuous blue pill. The christian church is a waste land. That wickedness will bring back the pure virtuous princess when the options arrive. Though I have doubts women may kind their way out of this. The church sure as hell isn’t going to be of help.

  48. john03063 says:

    Men are pragmatic. They look at everything in a cost – benefit way. In the past, women used to provide so much more to a man besides sex. The benefits far outweighed the costs. Today, all a western woman provides to a relationship is the hole between her legs (but even that comes with all sorts of strings attached). And the costs and risks are outrageous. High cost and little benefit. That’s why sex robots will be so popular. Women could crush the sex robot industry by simply acting like women again. But I doubt they have the capacity to understand the concept or the fortitude to implement it.

  49. Johnycomelately says:

    Sexbots are several orders of magnitude less damaging than procuring sperm artificially to create life.

    One is a masturbation aid, the other completely removes the opposite sex from reproduction.

    One is lambasted, the other is subsidised by the state.

    Both fill a vacuum the other is unwilling to meet.

    All that will happen is that there will be more listless men and single mothers.

  50. desiderian says:

    When form departs from function, ugliness is the result.

    The function is making new human beings.

  51. The Original Laura says:

    C. S. Lewis said:

    “To love at all is to be vulnerable. Love anything, and your heart will certainly be wrung and possibly broken. If you want to make sure of keeping it intact, you must give your heart to no one, not even to an animal. Wrap it carefully round with hobbies and little luxuries; avoid all entanglements; lock it up safe in the casket or coffin of your selfishness. But in that casket- safe, dark, motionless, airless–it will change. It will not be broken; it will become unbreakable, impenetrable, irredeemable.” — C.S. Lewis

  52. Urban II says:

    Anyone remember the quote from Terminator 2? Where Sarah Connor is talking about how much better the terminator is than men, since it won’t abandon her son?

    IBB’s comment made me realize that (of course) it’s the opposite in reality. Men will get exactly the fidelity they are programmed to want from a robot “partner” without the fickleness of a real woman. Sarah was wrong, The Terminator was more like most men than women. only a few women in a generation could hope to be as devoted as the Terminator.

  53. Rollory says:

    Futurama (an admittedly left-biased TV show, like most) covered this in sufficient detail in just a few minutes in their “DON’T DATE ROBOTS” bit. (Summary: Billy Everyteen gets a Marilyn Monroebot, Billy spends all his time with it instead of making out with the girl across the street and getting a paper route to impress her, the economy collapses because all the men are making out with their Monroebots, no kids are born, everyone dies in the arms of their Monroebots.)

  54. Looking Glass says:

    @GeminiXcX:

    It’s never too late. Never.

    @shadescale:

    Make it your quest to find some place that isn’t all bad, then work to make it better. This will take work (on both ends), but it’s worth it. You might look around for churches that have English translations from a non-Spanish language. Some of them are quite worth the trouble, as they’re functionally not Western Christians. (But it highly depends on the area and you’re willingness to really stand out.)

    @Alex:

    Sexbots has been a topic for anime/manga discussion for years. There’s actually a 90s OVA series that was about a Feminist Police State banning artificial Women. No joke, from the 90s. Some could see it then.

    An “artificial womb” is going to be functionally a long, long ways off. Though I don’t think it’s actually going to be possible. It’s one thing to remove & insert a single strand of DNA/RNA into a single cell; it’s a world of complexity different to manage the hundreds of trillions of cell interactions that come with gestation. Few tend to realize the human body is almost infinitely more complex than the entirety of the world economy. This is the reason Medicine focuses so much on just poking one very minor thing and seeing if that will work.

  55. Dash Riprock says:

    Mohler and his ilk are devotees of romantic love, not biblical marriage. Romantic Love came out of the middle ages and was formed by an unholy marriage of pagan and gnositic beliefs. Sure the troubadours would occasionally toss in some Mariology to throw the Bishops off the scent but in the main the Church wasn’t fooled. To see how far romantics like Mohler have strayed form the old paths you just need to crack open the Good Book and read Paul. However, as he usually did old Martin Luther could take the Word and make it crystal clear for the most thick skulled. Here is Luther on the very subject Mohler is speaking of:

    “The third case for divorce is that in which one of the parties deprives and avoids the other, refusing to fulfill the conjugalFN1 duty or to live with the other person. For example, one finds many a stubborn wife like that who will not give in, and who cares not a whit whether her husband falls into the sin of unchastity ten times over. Here it is time for the husband to say, “If you will not, another will; the maid will come if the wife will not.” Only first the husband should admonish and warn his wife two or three times, and let the situation be known to others so that her stubbornness becomes a matter of common knowledge and is rebuked before the congregation…FN2
    Here you should be guided by the words of St. Paul, I Corinthians 7 [:4-5], “The husband does not rule over his own body, but the wife does; likewise the wife does not rule over her own body, but the husband does. Do not deprive each other, except by agreement,” etc. Notice that St. Paul forbids either party to deprive the other, for by the marriage vow each submits his body to the other in conjugal duty. When one resists the other and refuses the conjugal duty she is robbing the other of the body she had bestowed upon him. This is really contrary to marriage, and dissolves the marriage…FN3″

    Luther nails it. As usual.

    Do we see now how far Mohler has strayed from the faith of the reformers? And from the teaching of Paul? We call folks like Mohler a Churcian. It’s been a useful term but now I think it time to speak plainly.

    Mohler, and sadly much of American Christendom, are Heretics.

  56. Dave says:

    But I doubt they have the capacity to understand the concept or the fortitude to implement it.

    It’s too late for most American women. They are already contaminated with the poisonous ideology of feminism. By the time they realize their error, they would have hit their 40s. Or maybe 50s and beyond.
    The only marginal hope remaining for America lies at about 20 years from now, when a new generation of girls born today reach maturity. That is if every vestige of feminism were purged from the collective consciousness now. Of course that will not happen.

  57. feeriker says:

    All that will happen is that there will be more listless men and single mothers.

    Which is exactly what TPTB want. Such people are the real robots of society: dependent, unthinking, and easy to control.

  58. Bee says:

    @shadescale,

    “how do we reconcile that with command in Hebrews 10:25 ” Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is” with our obvious spiritual needs?”

    Good question. I think we have to join a church and ignore the blue pill, feminist junk. Confront the pastor occasionally so he knows not everyone is a feminist. After awhile, start a men’s only bible study in your home. Share stuff from Dalrock, Deep Strength, Hawaii Libertarian, Feminism is Empathological, Free Northener, etc. 15 minutes about Game, Dominion, Red Pill, masculinity, submission of wives, quiverfull, how to vet and then smoke cigars, watch a game, play video games, go to the shooting range.

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/08/14/relationship-game-week-a-readers-journey/

    http://hawaiianlibertarian.blogspot.com/search?q=Game

    You may not have any of these near where you live but consider these churches. Still, no guarantees, churchian feminism infected the seminaries 50 years ago:

    http://www.confessionallutherans.org/
    http://mospatusa.com/
    https://ncfic.org/
    http://www.opc.org/

  59. Easttexasfatboy says:

    Virtual Reality is the real story. Sexbots are not going to be the big thing. VR software will be impossible to stop. It’s very close. Occulus, I believe. Starting at 400.00. Like a PS4, more or less. The real cost will be the software. What happens when the brain stem is hacked? Sci-fi predicts extreme addiction. Feminism won’t be able to fight the software.

  60. Dave says:

    Mohler, and sadly much of American Christendom, are Heretics

    The more reason why true Christians should stand up and let their voices be heard, as most of those who claim to speak for us are enemies of the cross of Christ.

  61. The Jack Russell Terrorist says:

    Feminists should be pleased about robots. More women will be ignored and not “objectified”. There already are sex toys which ejaculate. I never would have looked this up if it wasn’t for this article. I used my search engine (Startpage) to see if such a thing existed at this time.
    http://sexandrobots.com/lovebots-sybian-ride-ejaculating-sex-machine/

  62. Mohler actually believes that the problem with pornography is that it disempowers the sexual control of the wife? Wow!

    I would argue the opposite. It blunts our masculinity.

  63. Damn Crackers says:

    “Consider the fact that a woman has every right to expect that her husband will earn access to the marriage bed…”

    As I previously stated, when marital rape became a thing marriage as we know it ended.

    “The physical act of sex will only be a small part of the time you spend with a sex robot – the majority of time will be spent socialising and interacting,” Roxxxy’s creator believes.

    That’s why I spend all my time discussing with a stripper or lawn mower about the possibility of faster-than-light travel.

  64. “When I read this I was sure he was a lifelong bachelor, but when I looked up his bio I see he is married after all. How awesome must his marriage be, am I right?”

    I think the whole “Misery Loves Company” thing comes into play here. Joshua Harris secretly desires to impose his own sexual repression onto others, and Dr. Al probably wishes he were single.

  65. PokeSalad says:

    Alas, none of this matters. They will never-EVER (in any of our lifetimes) be able to build a robot that simulates the actual touch and feel and smell and moisture of “the flesh.” And because that wont happen, feminists don’t have anything to worry about (yet….)

    In exchange for all the advantages you listed before the above paragraph, I am more confident that many men will gladly accept the disadvantage you note. When the alternative is YouPorn and a Kleenex…..

  66. praetorian says:

    Sexbots are several orders of magnitude less damaging than procuring sperm artificially to create life.

    QUOTED FOR GREAT TRUTH.

  67. easttexasfatboy says:

    Just think, using Occulus just like a PS4. A direct brain interface won’t be far behind. Sex bots will be very limiting. Virtual playmates, easily changed, exactly like video games. This is going to end up badly. Who will have children?

  68. Cane Caldo says:

    Our current system relies on young men continuing to prepare to be providers while marriage continues to be further and further delayed. Sexbots will in this context be yet another distraction tempting young men to coast instead of working diligently in anticipation of their future wives tiring of having sex with other men. As each successive cohort of women tires of the carousel and starts looking for husbands, they will increasingly find that the cohort of men they hoped to marry are still willing to marry but fewer and fewer are in a position to play the role of provider.

    So good.

  69. EvenGreys says:

    The sex robots will simply create more hypergamy because only the omega males will really use them a few betas after failed relationships and virtually no alphas since the won’t have to. Women will deem men who use these robots “creepy” and thus have even more reason to seek the alphas they really want. As omegas and lower betas leave the picture women will compete more fiercely for those alphas who will have even less competition or virtually none. The alphas will have absurd harems or women will simply pick alphas from sperm banks, children will be killed more ferociously through abortion as women continue abusing their sexuality with those alphas that will not commit or provide (since they don’t have to for sex) and the few children that are born will grow up to be criminals seeing as women have been proven to be completely incapable of raising well adjusted children without fathers. Basically we will be Japan but far worse because even in Japan the patriarchy is still intact and women are shamed if they have children outside of marriage (also abortion is illegal there, I’m pretty sure) so they still have some structure and low crime just too few births we’ll have low births (as is already the case in the West) and high crime for sure and then it will all eventually collapse due to an inability to sustain any of the socialists programs that single mothers rely on. Hopefully society will just rebuild after that with the traditional construct for social order, either that or the Rapture.

  70. wanderer9641 says:

    @ Cane Caldo
    “working diligently in anticipation of their future wives tiring of having sex with other men.”
    So the idea was that men would work like dogs, saving everything so that when the princess is tired of the CC for a while (to be continued at a later date), she can walk into her dream life of luxury, have a few of her kids, then get divorced and take all cash and prizes back to the playground where she can ride once again knowing that her ticket was handsomely paid for.
    Does that sound about right? Sounds like a no brainer to me. sign me up fort the sexbot.

  71. hauptzer says:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34118482
    They are already working to justify a ban on the technology. Just like they have justified not researching the male pill.

    VR will require completely new haptic technology to be a game changer. Othervise its just masturbation with a pair of google glasses.

  72. Cane Caldo says:

    @wanderer

    Just to be clear: What you quoted was my quotation of Dalrock in the original post.

    So the idea was that men would work like dogs, saving everything so that when the princess is tired of the CC for a while (to be continued at a later date), she can walk into her dream life of luxury, have a few of her kids, then get divorced and take all cash and prizes back to the playground where she can ride once again knowing that her ticket was handsomely paid for.

    I don’t think that was ever the “idea”, per se. That’s the noxious brew that resulted, but I think the idea was that men and women would be more robotic. I mean in the sense that the citizens of Huxley’s Brave New World are not so much born, reared and taught (as humans are), as much as BNW’s humans are decanted, programmed, and managed. There are a lot of factors in this mess.

  73. Looking Glass says:

    @Cane Caldo:

    Interest groups “want” things. The fastest way to rise to Power is to give fools what they are addicted to. The only one really playing the “long game” is the Devil. And he’s pretty damned skilled at it.

  74. Dave says:

    Women will deem men who use these robots “creepy” and thus have even more reason to seek the alphas they really want.

    On the contrary. hypergamy will nosedive as the Alphas have a glut of available women and women’s expectations of men will fall further down. Moreover, because women also have their own emotional needs, they will “take what they can get”, even if the available guys are super omegas. Don’t be surprised when women begin to ask men out and offering to pay for the dates.

    A friend invited me to a gathering a few months ago. We were having an informal chat with some single, young, well educated professional women who were looking for boyfriends and possibly husbands. Their ages ranged from 22 to early 30s. What struck me immediately was their low expectations from the guys. They were not even expecting their dates to take them to a proper dinner, or to call after a date. Although they complained that all they often got after a date was a text message–something they were not happy about—were ready to accept things as they were. It is so bad that several of them did not have anyone to date, even though they were all reasonably attractive. MGTOW is real and biting really hard, people.

    As an aside, as more women become available, they are more likely to tolerate certain behaviors from their men. Thus physical and emotional abuses may become more rampant in society.

  75. Dave says:

    They are already working to justify a ban on the technology.

    The ban won’t work. I hope we don’t forget that those who will make these laws and enforce them are men, and most of them have either been shafted by feminism, or they’ve seen other men so treated. So, even if they pay lip service to the feminists’ demands, they are unlikely to make any real efforts to make lasting changes.

  76. Original Laura says:

    @evengrey .Japanese women have lots of abortions and there are shrines in Japan to honor the aborted . It isn’t illegal there

  77. easttexasfatboy says:

    When you beat a dog, he gets real shy around you. Men are learning to be indifferent to women. Some say that most women aren’t feminists, but I vehemently disagree. They love the way women can abuse men nowadays. They never say otherwise.

    Replacements are at hand! Sexbots, or my favorite, virtual reality will offer solace to the abused masses. Scoff and mock as you will…..but masculine ingenuity ain’t dead yet. Children are going to become rarer. However, Mexican women will replace the missing children, and white feminism will die out.

  78. jsr says:

    @ Dave
    “What struck me immediately was their low expectations from the guys. They were not even expecting their dates to take them to a proper dinner, or to call after a date. Although they complained that all they often got after a date was a text message–something they were not happy about—were ready to accept things as they were. It is so bad that several of them did not have anyone to date, even though they were all reasonably attractive. MGTOW is real and biting really hard, people.
    As an aside, as more women become available, they are more likely to tolerate certain behaviors from their men.”

    low expectations from the (alphas).
    several of them did not have any (alphas) to date
    more likely to tolerate certain behaviors from their (alphas)

    This novice misinterpretation should not be happening by regular readers.

  79. Exfernal says:

    Eh, it’s not necessarily a matter of choice between sexbots and virtual reality. It’s possible to combine both.

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  81. Highwasp says:

    After the first few thousand successfully designed sexbots are marketed, purchased and influencing the world at large – a year or two goes by – then Used sexbots will be offered for a discount.

    heh – how much of a discount? how much usage did the sexbot get? is it worn out or in ‘Like New’ condition? Was it abused with whips and chains or were the standard positions used exclusively? [top, bottom, behind, side…] ~ I imagine a sexbot owner with a 6″ selling to a man with a 10″ for more than visa-versa. A guy with an average size could possibly make a regular supplemental income from buying his sexbot, using for a short time, selling for 75% of the original price and going on to the next. A larger man could only 45% due to additional wear and tear… Ha.

    heh – i can imagine the advertising : “Original “owner” – respectfully used by an average 6″ so lots of life left in her ~ especially for the larger man. Never taken out of the house, no sun damage or brittleness, ‘kept’ in a smoke free environment, ‘pampered’ with regular moisturizing, cleaning and sterilization. No risks. No problems – satisfaction guaranteed with all up-grades, [longer legs, bigger tits, wider mouth…] costumes, additional voice boxes, AI personalities and styles included for FREE! ~ Anonymous shipping available upon request – well packed for safe transport. COD or pre pay – see video for details” ya – Flippin’ Bots – the sexbot grey market could be fun.

  82. enriquesufi@gmail.com says:

    Are all these women going to throw their dildos and vibrators away? What constitutes a “robot”? Humanoid qualities, and if so, to what degree? The only thing, as always, that will permit this technology to move forward, is when women get IN ON IT. Women are against something, until they can join in…then come the complaints that it’s not “made for a woman”.

    Wanna try a social experiment? Engage with a woman you at least know well enough to know she can carry on a conversation, and is also, somewhat prone to feminism. Engage her in a discussion about the immoralities of prostitution and sex tourism…let her walk ALL DOWN THAT ROAD, including “putting the guys in jail” (constantly use words like “people” in your comments)….then hit her with the “yes, those European women that go to Africa as part of that whole ‘sex tourism thing’ with young, naive African men, abosLUTELY should be locked up”….ya baby, watch that tone change, just like every other similar experiment. Women are so damn phony.

  83. Gunner Q says:

    shadescale @ 2:29 am:
    “Given the fact that most of Western Church has been feminized, and that going to church nowadays is like drinking from a poisoned well, how do we reconcile that with command in Hebrews 10:25 ” Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is” with our obvious spiritual needs?”

    That’s why I am still active in the Manosphere after deciding upon MGTOW. Fortunately, Christ wants us to meet together but didn’t say it had to be in a large wooden box. There’s a checked-out church in my area that does nothing good or bad and I show up there every so often for communion and a round of singing. Beyond that, blogs like Dalrock are where I find a community where devout Christians challenge each other on a regular basis.

    I’ve thought about starting a blog or a physical church of my own but historically speaking, nobody attends my parties.

    It doesn’t worry me overmuch. Maintaining the Church is ultimately Christ’s job, not ours, so I do the best I can with what I have and look forward to the situation eventually improving.

    GeminiXcX @ 1:37 am:
    “I’m not trying to engage in theatrics, but do you want to become like me — a man that can reference the scriptures so easily, but with spirituality itself almost completely obliterated?”

    You’re doing fine. God has always forced His favorites to endure the Badlands. The greatest Christians are those who are loyal to God despite their treatment, not because of it. If it helps, I don’t pray much either, save to be thankful for this or that.

    It’s perfectly normal for a Christian to be furious at God for all the evils, injustices and tragedies of life.

  84. enriquesufi@gmail.com says:

    From the May 2015, Vanity Fair Article:

    “Hermaphrodite-doll enthusiasts can be picky. Some want the vagina and the penis. Some want the penis, the vagina, but no testicles. Others want removable genitals so they can go back and forth between genders. When they’ve had enough of the penis they can remove the attachment and put the regular vagina back in until they get tired of that.”

    I think we’re ready for the mushroom cloud any time now.

  85. Opus,

    Because their adult daughters are increasingly husbandless and they are increasingly grandchildless.

    Urban

    Anyone remember the quote from Terminator 2? Where Sarah Connor is talking about how much better the terminator is than men, since it won’t abandon her son?

    IBB’s comment made me realize that (of course) it’s the opposite in reality. Men will get exactly the fidelity they are programmed to want from a robot “partner” without the fickleness of a real woman. Sarah was wrong, The Terminator was more like most men than women. only a few women in a generation could hope to be as devoted as the Terminator.

    John Connor was a bastard. Sarah conceived him John with Reese in a room at the Tiki Motel. Of course, all the other young men that came into her life were leaving her because she was a single mom that was nuts enough to believe that the end of the world was coming by way of the machines. What Beta-provider male is going to want to hang in there with her after she got committed to the insane asylum?

    A s-xbot for men does not need to speak. It does not need to bring in resources. It does not need to cook a meal. Men have adapted to do ALL that for themselves. All the s-xbot need do is stay thin, stay faithful, and stay young looking. The robot accomplishes all that by simply sitting still in the closet of his bedroom until he comes home from work. But it will NOT sell unless it has the texture, look, feel, smell, and moisture of the flesh. Moreover, there needs to be some moving parts inside the robot below the waist. Then (and only then) will it sell. And that would pretty much nuke marriage 2.0 and feminism. Boys growing up with desire only to purchase the latest and greatest s-xbot, never even contemplating a relationship with a flesh and blood woman.

    Poke

    In exchange for all the advantages you listed before the above paragraph, I am more confident that many men will gladly accept the disadvantage you note. When the alternative is YouPorn and a Kleenex…..

    Largely, younger men have already opted for the kleenex

  86. shadescale says:

    @ Bee, Looking Glass, Gunner Q:

    Thanks guys🙂

    And thank you Dalrock for his provision of medium where we can discuss these things.

  87. Dale says:

    GeminiXcX

    As I am sure you already know, the Bible speaks much about false teachers. Matt 23 and Titus 1:10-16 come to mind.
    God is perfect. The servants of Satan are definetly not. I encourage you to not mistake God’s character for the character you see in false teachers.

    shadescale:
    Re Hebrews 10:24-25: Excellent question. I have thought of the same. Currently I serve at a church populated mostly by immigrants. So they have a far better upbringing. For example, the people on stage each week dress appropriately; no sexually provacative clothing, the men do not wear dresses and the women do not wear pants.

    Dash Riprock:
    That is a great quote from Luther. I cannot imagine a pastor saying that now.

    @Rodimus903
    I found Chobits on YouTube. Kinda lame, but funny too🙂

  88. greyghost says:

    They already have real dolls The first time I heard of them was this Movie Lars and the Real Girl.
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0805564/
    Google real doll and you can find the web sight that sells the real doll. They fall under adult porn sex toys so I don’t want to link that to Dalrock’s blog.

  89. “low expectations from the (alphas).
    several of them did not have any (alphas) to date
    more likely to tolerate certain behaviors from their (alphas)”

    Exactly.

  90. “I found myself disturbed over this^^ declaration. Not in a judgmental way, but in sadness.
    Feminism has destroyed love and the family with such calculation, that it’s come to this?”

    I feel the same way.

  91. greyghost says:

    http://www.prolifeinfo.ie/life/premature-birth/premature-babies/
    We almost have the artificial womb already. At least at the tail end.
    I think the artificial womb from fertilized egg to living mammal is already technically done. The law forces scientist to kill experiments at 14days.
    I personally think Japan is going to go this route rather than import mexicans and arabs like the rest of the world.

  92. PuffyJacket says:

    The sex robots will simply create more hypergamy because only the omega males will really use them a few betas after failed relationships and virtually no alphas since the won’t have to. Women will deem men who use these robots “creepy” and thus have even more reason to seek the alphas they really want

    We know that VR sex will massively transfer power away from women towards men in the SMP. Whether it also widens the gap between Alpha and Beta, or narrows it, is a bit of an X-factor. One overlooked point is that VR sex throws a wrench in the female AF-BB strategy on a few levels:

    1) AF will become much harder for women to obtain, because VR creates a “must be this hot to ride” threshold. Even if Alpha never so much as touches a headset, his asking price becomes the cheapest available alternative. If a 7 can be had for free, there is no reason for him to go below a 7 ever. The result is a large percentage of the female population will be precluded from riding the carousel, even if they really, really want to.

    2) BB will dry-up quickly for any women below the attractiveness threshold. Worse still, the availability of a cheap sex substitute means fewer men will expend resources even on those that do meet the attractiveness threshold. As male investment dries-up across the board, the once overlooked Beta provider becomes far more valuable in the SMP.

    3) The gap between “good girls” and “bad girls”, which has shrunk massively in the past 30-40 years, may once again become a chasm. Good girls being the ones that you kiss on the mouth and raise a family with, bad girls being the ones you throw away after night or two. Bad girls benefitted from a grey area allowing them to dabble in a bit of both, simply because there were so few alternatives for beta men. Millions of women hoping to occupy the grey zone (by having only 2 skanky tattoos and never sleeping with anyone she didn’t “love”) will instead firmly be placed in the “bad girl” category.

    In summary, a substantial portion of the female population may end up with neither AF nor BB. Even those that do qualify may end up with less of either.

  93. PuffyJacket says:

    Virtual Reality is the real story. Sexbots are not going to be the big thing. VR software will be impossible to stop. It’s very close.

    Yes, too many looking over the wrong shoulder on this one. Perhaps because the readership here skews older and didn’t grow up with the reality of free and easy internet pornography. Or maybe they watched a few too many episodes of the Jetsons in their youth.

    Virtual sex will essentially be porn with the added dimension of “presence”, hence why many refer to it as porn 2.0 or 3.0. Eventually it will take on other dimensions as well, but even rudimentary VR will likely be a smashing success, as the popularity of internet porn already proves.

  94. embracingreality says:

    Dave laments:
    “The real reason why it is difficult for many men to find chaste, godly women is due primarily to the failure of the church to do its duty to proselityze and educate the unsaved.”

    I would suggest that the church proselytizing in order to build mega congregations, of mostly goats instead of sheep, has been exactly the problem. As for the “saved”, many a ‘saved’ Churchian young daughter was raised up in the church’s ‘education’ and couldn’t make it out of high school before giving her cherry away if not managing to become a single mom. The church’s I’ve attended were plagued with all of the above.

    If the biblical truth regarding how we are to live as believers was taught weekly half the people who attend church now would leave by the end of the year. Joel Osteen can’t condemn anything, not cohabitation, homosexuality, not anything. He can’t even acknowledge belief in Christ is the only way to the kingdom of heaven. Osteen’s is one of the largest churches on the planet.

  95. embracingreality says:

    I’ll never buy a sexbot, use VR porn and try to avoid seeing porn completely yet I do see a benefit in all of the those even for me. All of these things bring us closer and closer to breaking the back of the female sex cartel manipulation machine in the west. Seeing more and more manipulative whores losing their power and ending up with what they deserve in life, little of nothing. It would be absolutely delicious to see.

  96. Opus says:

    I’d like to go off-topic for a moment because yesterday I saw part of a clip of a thirteen way discussion between twelve men and a woman (but I would have sworn it was a transvestite) standing in front of an airplane . It was a contest to be GOP. That tall man looks the guy to beat and next year he is perhaps going to be elected as your next Head of State forming his inner cabinet in the month of January 2017.

    We too have had a similar event. A Mr Corbyn has been selected, but although our election will not be until 2020 he has already selected his inner circle and all four are men! (even though one who is not a transvestite has as a first name Hillary. (a bit confusing that, I think) – oh and he wants to abolish The Army, so we will I suppose be outsourcing, to you, our Defence.

    What is great about Mr Corbyn is that in the first two days in his new position he has demonstrated his total inability to properly tie a tie (I guess he never usually wears one ) and has completely forgotten – perhaps he never learned it – the words of the National Anthem (to the tune of I Vow to Thee My Country).

    I think I can predict that with the exception of your transvestite that all your candidates sport immaculately presented ties and will vie with each other as the better able to sing with clarity and gusto the words of your anthem.

    Mr Trump’s successor will have to deal with Mr Corbyn.

  97. MarcusD says:

    Pope Francis question re families & singles
    http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=978657

    Traditional roles for men and women
    http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=978654

    Are you still “in love” with your spouse?
    http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=978825

  98. Dave says:

    @jsr

    low expectations from the (alphas).
    several of them did not have any (alphas) to date
    more likely to tolerate certain behaviors from their (alphas)

    This novice misinterpretation should not be happening by regular readers.

    I totally understand what you mean, but that was not the situation here. It was a case of absolute number imbalance. Some of these women were doctors, medical residents and medical students and, for the few who had some dates among them, the guys they had were not anywhere near their socio-economic status, and were no Alphas by any stretch of the imagination. They simply didn’t care about their own futures, nor about the futures of any relationships they had with anyone, including women. I know that being nonchalant may be a trait they shared with Alphas though.

    PuffyJacket explained it far better here. With time, the omegas actually become truly attractive to women once again….as long as they are originally of the opposite gender, and are willing to be in a form of LTR relationship.

  99. Dave says:

    Joel Osteen can’t condemn anything, not cohabitation, homosexuality, not anything. He can’t even acknowledge belief in Christ is the only way to the kingdom of heaven. Osteen’s is one of the largest churches on the planet.

    Fits in with the prediction about the end of the Age:

    For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 2 Timothy 4:3-4

  100. enriquesufi@gmail.com says:

    Expect sexbots (and/or later, in some way, VR) to have a “female imperative tax”. To the degree female hypergamy is restricted, it is picked up, taxed and burdened upon a man in some other way (child support , alimony, welfare taxes we all pay). Women MUST BE PAID and taken care of, and so expect them to make some type of arguments (as they already are) against sexbots, with an attendant purpose of driving what is essentially a “settlement anchor” in negotiation terms, to settle on something like, “alright, you can have your dolls, you weird sickos, but you have to pay a 50% extra tax to the “violence against women” “campus rape victim” (etc) fund.

  101. Original Laura says:

    Opus. I thought your national anthem was God Save the Queen. Our national anthem is best left to professionals. People with an average vocal range can’t actually sing it. Trust me when I tell you that no one in America wants to hear the candidates attempt it. They can prove their allegiance by putting their hand over their heart during the pledge of allegiance, or by having served in the military during their youth .

  102. Opus says:

    I think I got the tune wrong: I meant My country ’tis of thee. It is true that Oh say can you see (an old English tune as it happens) has a wide vocal range – almost two octaves – and I particularly like the modulation to the Dominant early on (on the words Early light). Personally (from what I have heard) America is in the Bronze medal position, as Silver goes to Germany and Gold to Russia for just the most emotionally heart-tugging melody.

  103. PuffyJacket says:

    With time, the omegas actually become truly attractive to women once again

    Omegas are so far down the attractiveness scale they’re not even relevant. My only point is that VR might not massively widen the gap between Alpha and Beta that many are predicting.

  104. Looking Glass says:

    Was looking up a verse, but I always find this bit of Isaiah fitting:

    Isaiah 3:12 (ESV): My people—infants are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, your guides mislead you and they have swallowed up the course of your paths.

    Though what I was after is just a little further down. It seems appropriate to what we’re talking about.

    Isaiah 4:1 (ESV): And seven women shall take hold of one man in that day, saying, “We will eat our own bread and wear our own clothes, only let us be called by your name; take away our reproach.”

    Though it should be noted that 4:2-6 make it pretty clear it’s a sign of the End Times. Just saying.

  105. Looking Glass says:

    Omegas will never truly be attractive to Women, at least in what we culturally think of as “Omega”. When you split out the attractive traits, a completely worthless Man can bring some “alpha” at times. But Women will always default to being haremettes rather than being attached to an Omega.

    Hilarious aside: my browser wants to correct “haremettes” to “timeshares”. I cannot make that up.

  106. mikediver5 says:

    No Greek letters will be affected by becoming more or less attractive to women. Nor will their relative proportion in the male population change. What will happen is that those men currently locked out of the SMP by the open hypergamy and slut culture we are currently in, will have alternatives. They will then withdraw from interactions with women and to a great extent society. This will put a stop to the huge amounts of male attention that those AFCs lavished on sub standard women. There is some hope, but really very little, that this might slightly decrease the immensely swollen egos of a portion of todays woman. At least some of them, the lower tier, might realize that they are not goddesses, and give some of the higher Betas a shot.

  107. Gunner Q says:

    Original Laura @ 7:24 am:
    “Opus. I thought your national anthem was God Save the Queen. Our national anthem is best left to professionals.”

    Star-Spangled Banner is easy enough to sing unless you want to impress people. That makes it perfect for America: ordinary men sing it just fine while elite performers who think they’re special and need to prove it end up with listeners covering their ears. What’s the current record, forty-five seconds to sing “land of the free” at the end? C’mon, throw the ball already! (Gunner enjoys the mental fantasy of the Dodgers’ starting pitcher taking out the attention-whoring vocalist mid-trill. Standing ovation!)

  108. Gunner Q says:

    Looking Glass @ 10:28 am:
    “Hilarious aside: my browser wants to correct “haremettes” to “timeshares”. I cannot make that up.”

    Cool, it did that for me too! You should have made the change. No point in making a new word when the old word still works.

  109. The Question says:

    Apologies for a non-related comment, but thought you might be interested in this. “Seven things every man needs to know before marriage.” http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/09/17/seven-things-every-man-needs-to-know-before-marriage.html?intcmp=hphz03

    The introductory paragraph sets the tone for the rest of the piece. “My wife and I live in Washington, D.C., a city that’s full of single men who aren’t ready to get married. If they’re anything like I was in my single days, their unwillingness to tie the knot has a lot to do with their unrealistic expectations.”

  110. Dave says:

    Can anyone predict what the landscape will look like in America in, say 20 years, as far as the population is concerned? When men are not marrying and those marrying are either not having kids at all, or having less than replacement levels? And many of those “single mothers” are being encouraged to have kids out of wedlock?
    Meanwhile, the Muslims are breeding like rabbits, and brainwashing their offspring with the worst of hate-filled propaganda against non-Muslims. Sure, America will cease to be the America that we once knew.

  111. Dave says:

    If they’re anything like I was in my single days, their unwillingness to tie the knot has a lot to do with their unrealistic expectations.

    *sarcasm begins*
    I quite agree with the author. Guys these days expect too much from marriage. They are looking for a virtuous, chaste women who would commit to marriage for the long haul, stay faithful, have kids, love and respect her husband, and appreciate her husband for not only being her husband and head of her household, but for being there for the kids and setting a good example before them.
    These guys should be asking how they could earn their wives’ approval to the marriage bed, not how some wife should be cooking for them and treating them like little monarchs.
    *sarcasm ends*

  112. Looking Glass says:

    @Dave:

    We live in an era of Black Swan events. And on the demographic side of things, we’re in the “great hispanic bubble” at the moment.

    Though anyone honest about the numbers actually will notice we’re proceeding like normal: there’s so many mixed raced children, they’re all becoming more “white” with successive generations.

  113. jsr says:

    @Dave
    “I totally understand what you mean, but that was not the situation here. It was a case of absolute number imbalance. Some of these women were doctors, medical residents and medical students and, for the few who had some dates among them, the guys they had were not anywhere near their socio-economic status, and were no Alphas by any stretch of the imagination. They simply didn’t care about their own futures, nor about the futures of any relationships they had with anyone, including women. I know that being nonchalant may be a trait they shared with Alphas though.”

    Social status, as in social circles or polished etiquette, has nothing to do with being alpha.
    Economic status has nothing to do with being alpha.
    Not caring, as in outcome independence, is very related to being alpha.

    Also, female doctors and residents are past 25, on the downside of their smv curve. Many medical students are also. They are feminists who have spent their prime years chasing high-status careers, and possibly carousel. Downside smv, arrogant attitudes and unchaste do not get the high value guys. Their smv peers are going to be late thirties to mid-forties guys. They don’t notice the guys at their smv level and complain. Faux-complainers = no sympathy.

    You’re still thinking like a newbie.

  114. greyghost says:

    jsr
    I see a lot of people are clueless on the definition of alpha. The term itself has too much of a positive connotation. I like Dalrock’s use of the term cad. An alpha is a male females desire to have sex with without having to pay for it that’s it. Any other characteristic of wealth ,looks, social status, what ever is incidental.
    It is a tough one like explaining “mojo”.

  115. “AF will become much harder for women to obtain, because VR creates a “must be this hot to ride” threshold”

    I just don’t see it.

  116. mikediver5 says:

    “The Real Peterman
    “AF will become much harder for women to obtain, because VR creates a “must be this hot to ride” threshold”

    I just don’t see it.”

    I agree. Nothing will change for the alphas. They are already being pursued by more women then they can handle, or want to at least. What ever the lower level men are doing or not doing to cope with their lack of female companionship will not affect them in the lest. Their threshold for “hot enough to ride” will not be impacted. Every single woman in the west, even the hamplanets, already thinks she has a shot at the alpha (top 10 to 20% of men) and that she deserves his commitment. The alpha is screening most of them out, or in a momentary lapse hitting and quiting a woman below his normal threshold and making yet another alpha widow who will never be satisfied by a man of her own SMV ever again.

  117. PuffyJacket says:

    I just don’t see it.

    Then I suppose you believe women forced to compete with Virtual 10s would somehow have an easier time competing for Alpha attention?

    The alpha is screening most of them out, or in a momentary lapse hitting and quiting a woman below his normal threshold

    Of course he is. But surely VR would cause him to revise his expectations upwards, therefore excluding more women than he did before.

    What the “lower level” men do does have at least some relevance on the SMP. The extent to which women are chasing AF today is predicated on the belief that BB will be available tomorrow. But VR seriously threatens her ability to obtain BB as well.

  118. Original Laura says:

    Gunner & Opus. There was an episode of Remington Steele in which a female vocalist got completely carried away with herself while singing The Star Spangled Banner. I can’t remember the context.

    Some years ago I heard that there was a move afoot to use Our Country Tis of Thee as the national anthem because it was easier to sing. Other people wanted to transpose The Star Spangled Banner into a different key so that a higher percentage of people would find it in their natural range. Nothing came of either movement.

    Germany’s anthem is unchanged from the Nazi era which is surprising. The Russian anthem is top notch.

  119. Rum says:

    The story I heard was that the tune behind “The Star Spangled Banner” was a rip-off version of an old English drinking song. I have trouble believing this to be true, except to extent of imagining that the congress was falling down drunk when they voted to enshrine it as the National Anthem.

  120. Dale says:

    @PuffyJacket
    >The extent to which women are chasing AF today is predicated on the belief that BB will be available tomorrow. But VR seriously threatens her ability to obtain BB as well.

    You are assuming the average woman thinks ahead, to 10 years in the future, and her future marriage prospects at that later date.
    I think you are incorrect. I think the average woman thinks with her emotions, and just for the immediate present. This is one of the major benefits of having the older women train the younger women in appropriate behaviours and attitudes. (Titus 2:3-5). Too bad that even the “leaders” in the church on stage in Sunday morning service cannot even give a good example for the 2 hours during the service.

  121. Original Laura says:

    @Rum. The only drinking songs that I recall hearing are a few German ones. Those songs seemed to be jolly and robust and have not much more than a one octave range. If the star spangled banner was inspired by an English drinking song I’ll bet the original song did not require the range that the SSB does. Gunnar must have a pretty good singing voice because he doesn’t find the star spangled banner difficult to sing. I do not possess such a voice and I freely admit that I can’t sing it. But Gunner is right that it is preferable to hear a sincere rendition by someone with a rather ordinary voice than to endure the narcissistic orgasmic excesses of someone with a superior voice who forgets that the song is a national anthem.

  122. Ray Manta says:

    enriquesufi@gmail.com says:

    Expect sexbots (and/or later, in some way, VR) to have a “female imperative tax”.
    To the degree female hypergamy is restricted, it is picked up, taxed and burdened upon a man in some other way (child support , alimony, welfare taxes we all pay).

    The various FI ministries of propaganda are due to lose most of their influence in the near future. A college trying to stay afloat in the 2020s isn’t going to have much money to allocate to lesbian studies or campus rape tribunals.

    Women MUST BE PAID and taken care of,

    Let them have a basic monthly income, just like the men.

  123. Domo Arigato Mr Roboto says:

    I removed the first paragraph with offensive language, but this Cosmo article is interesting.

    “It’s tough because our primary audience right now is people who have an Oculus Rift. That’s mostly young men generally who are fairly affluent or who are into tech or developers. But they’re also people who are not accustomed to paying for porn. They’re generally willing to spend 5 bucks on something. We’re trying to provide something at a low price point that isn’t going to be crippling.

    Since it’s VR, it’s a hologram, it’s not just a video. It’s a whole different experience. You can buy hologram packages of me and different performers for $5 each. That’s selling pretty well. We also have a dating simulator that we made where you can go on a date with me in VR. It’s video-game style where I talk to you and we’re in a cafe and there are four options and you can decide how to interact with me. It’s a little silly and fun. If you’re too forward or too fast, you’re out of there. You blew it. If you stare at my tits, I’ll clear my throat and say, “Eyes up here.”

    Men are going to sexualize me whether I consent to it or not. The things they’d say to me, the way men would talk to me just as a librarian — I was the “hot librarian.” So now I’m literally making them pay for it. They’re actually opening their wallets for this thing that they’ve kind of been taking bits away and now I’m taking it back, taking back that power. ”

    http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/news/a46390/guys-pay-to-sleep-with-my-hologram/

  124. Gunner Q says:

    The Real Peterman @ September 18, 2015 at 2:29 pm:
    ““AF will become much harder for women to obtain, because VR creates a “must be this hot to ride” threshold”

    I just don’t see it.”

    Me neither. Most Alphas won’t be able to afford VR or sexbots: surfer bums, drunks, biker gangs, starving musicians, homeless schizophrenics, inmates….

  125. Domo Arigato Mr Roboto says:

    “AF will become much harder for women to obtain, because VR creates a “must be this hot to ride” threshold”

    I just don’t see it.”

    Me neither. Most Alphas won’t be able to afford VR or sexbots: surfer bums, drunks, biker gangs, starving musicians, homeless schizophrenics, inmates….”

    The alphas who can afford it will also be able to afford and attract women who meet the threshold. For all others see the article I linked to above, its already affordable. “They’re generally willing to spend 5 bucks on something. We’re trying to provide something at a low price point that isn’t going to be crippling. Since it’s VR, it’s a hologram, it’s not just a video. It’s a whole different experience. You can buy hologram packages of me and different performers for $5 each.”

    The Oculus Rift itself is very affordable new to any medium income man. Lower income men can buy used or borrow from a friend.

  126. Bob says:

    I agree with Dale’s assertion “I think the average woman thinks with her emotions, and just for the immediate present.”, but in terms of the immediate present women thrive on attention and validation. If VR stuff becomes more widespread, then 7s are competing against RL 10s, 9s, 8s, and VR 10s for her desired alphas. Normally this is not a very successful competition for her to engage in (even if she feels like being used for 1 night goes in the success column), but it is softened by the constant facebook validation, compliments, attention, dates, provision and general assistance from betas. With VR, she is now competing against VR 10s for beta’s time, attention, and money – and unless she becomes feminine and behaves counter-culturally that is going to be a losing battle in many cases.

    When a woman is trying her hardest to be as attractive as she can possibly be to men, and she can’t even turn a head or get the attention of men that she finds UNDESIRABLE (no less the ones she wants), that destroys her prideful spirit in a powerful way that no amount of “you go gurl!” messages can ever mend.

  127. Domo Arigato Mr Roboto says:

    Dave @ September 17, 2015 at 5:32 pm “As an aside, as more women become available, they are more likely to tolerate certain behaviors from their men. Thus physical and emotional abuses may become more rampant in society.”

    Seems you don’t think much of the average man if you think we’ll abuse women just because we can.

  128. georgeguy says:

    In a world where these robots are available, I imagine that roaming gangs of bitter feminist vandals will be a steadily growing problem. If robots reach a passable level of human likeness, the BFVs will start assaulting real women judged to be ‘acting like robots’ while attempting a plausible deniability defense.

  129. Boston to Providence says:

    In the guise of doing “what is best for the children,” at the expense of what is best for the family (which actually *is* what is best for the children), Socialism has already jammed its foot in the door, taxation is already in place to support the indulgent, incompetent, and unrestrained; we already guarantee six months of unemployment benefits to people who refuse to work at Starbucks.

    The point being that the infrastructure (rather confiscastructure) already exists, prepared to be scaled up (and only ever up) as needed to sustain the lives and egos of humans made obsolete by machines.

    Just as this post is playing out, I’ve been watching Humans, a British show about domestic robots, based on a Swedish show called Real Humans (downloaded them via torrents – I haven’t gotten to the Swedes yet). You’ll be shocked to hear that though the father comes around in the end, everything up until that point is his fault, and his whining, self-pitying, unsupportive wife is the wise one, despite being emotionally untethered.

    If Dave still wants to know what America will look like in 20 years, you might picture England as it is today. I don’t know how anyone is expected to achieve something as complicated and counterintuitive as happiness when we’re all taught to despise our roles and role models.

  130. Domo Arigato Mr Roboto says:

    Forget robots. They are over before they begin simply because VR is where the most mind blowing technology exists, and its already created affordable holographic sex with porn stars. Feminists don’t oppose it because it they are pro-sex industry and support sex workers rights, and in many cases are sex workers themselves. The woman who co-founded the very first VR porn company, Ela Darling, is herself a feminist. We don’t have anything to worry about. We can have our cake and eat it too since women will never entirely tire of “relationships”. LOLZZ

  131. Looking Glass says:

    One of the funny bits about all of this is you get to see bits of the two things that break through the FI: Greed & Power. They’re using the first to, they think, get more of the second. But both will leave them with nothing.🙂

  132. I have a question: are sexbots immoral for the single Christian?

    I have no clear answer, and my sympathies lie to the fact that it is not immoral per se. But I could be wrong myself.

  133. DrTorch says:

    Another article on this by Martin Daubney in 20 Sep issue of UK Sunday Times. It’s mostly paywall, so I haven’t read it all.

    What I haven’t seen mentioned is that they will likely make child robots, of any and all ages, and that will be marketed toward pedophiles. Controversy will ensue, but the arguments “no one is getting hurt” and “it’s a safe outlet” will likely prevail.

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  135. Robert What? says:

    If sexbots ever become convincingly real enough, the Leftists will see one of their fondest wishes come true: massive depopulation. Within a couple of generations the West will become a veritable ghost town, as reproduction falls off a cliff. At least for the secular West.

  136. “I have a question: are sexbots immoral for the single Christian?”

    I guess that would depend on whether or not you believe masturbation to be a sin.

  137. infowarrior1 says:

    @LG

    ”Though anyone honest about the numbers actually will notice we’re proceeding like normal: there’s so many mixed raced children, they’re all becoming more “white” with successive generations.”

    Where do I find the evidence for this?

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  139. NZT says:

    LOOOOOL at calling that thing “ultra-realistic”. Try “terrifying and repulsive”. I’m deeply, deeply skeptical that there will ever be actual “sexbots” that could be appealing enough to enable any meaningful number of men to forget the fact they’re just jerking off inside a dead-eyed mannequin. The uncanny valley is deep and broad. It’s bizarre to me that anyone actually thinks these just need to get a little better and they’ll take off. I could just maybe, maybe believe there will be CGI avatars you can interact with through an Oculus Rift or something, but that leads me to my next point: the revolution has already arrived. Men already have a “good-enough” sex substitute that has completely overhauled their sex lives and it’s called broadband internet porn (with a side helping of hookup apps like Tinder). It’s free, ubiquitous, custom-tailored to the most obscure and specific desires, and doesn’t require owning, storing, and (ugh) cleaning a nightmarish sex doll. If you want to answer the question of “will technology create simulated sexual encounters vivid enough to significantly reduce men’s willingness to put in the work to become good potential husbands and supporters”, the answer is “yes, it already has”.

  140. Gunner Q says:

    jacobus_paine @ September 20, 2015 at 6:56 am:
    “I have a question: are sexbots immoral for the single Christian?”

    It’s sexual behavior outside of marriage; therefore, yes. God created woman because He didn’t want man having sex with animals or, presumably, rocks.

  141. Ray Manta says:

    NZT says:

    The uncanny valley is deep and broad.

    Funny that there’s so little hard evidence for it.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4392592/

    the revolution has already arrived. Men already have a “good-enough” sex substitute that has completely overhauled their sex lives and it’s called broadband internet porn

    Which will become a whole lot better once 3D visuals and auditory are married together with a haptic interface. I’d say the revolution is just beginning, but it’s a long way from being finished.

  142. Mrs. P says:

    Honestly guys, it’s not the fear of sexbots taking our place but pity sadness and revulsion. And the creeps. See sexbots will have no souls. Maybe the ones attracted to such an ideal are devoid of souls as well?? It’s apparent that many of you can’t relate to real human females- this is due to your own shortcomings, not of feminism or women in general. I guess this is supposed to be a male Christian blog.? I don’t see Christ here. Not at all. By the way, the thought of a male sex bot makes me gag. I want a man to love and desire me for me. Not because he is “programmed”to.

  143. Dale says:

    Re jacobus_paine, Gunner Q wrote:
    >It’s sexual behavior outside of marriage; therefore, yes. God created woman because He didn’t want man having sex with animals or, presumably, rocks.

    A few point for this.

    1) Nocturnal emissions are something the the vast majority of young men experience, and this continues until they orgasm while awake. This is certainly sexual, as it involves sexual release.
    Since it is done while asleep, the man is obviously not making choices. Combine that lack of choice with 1 Cor 10:12-13, and it is obvious there is no sin. The N.E. is, apparently, simply a way that God provided for the required regular emptying of the vas defrens. Just like our two bladders that regularly need to be emptied, so too does the accumulated semen have to be cleared out, one way or another.
    It is therefore possible to have a sexual event, outside of marriage, without sin, at least for this limited area.

    2) Some passages make clear that sex in certain circumstances are sinful. Incest, adultery, rape, bestiality and homosexual acts to name a few.

    3) Outside of the verses for #2 above, the only passage I am aware of that deals with emissions is Lev 15. And reading the entire chapter makes clear that the state of being “unclean” is not a result of sin. E.g. having sex with his own wife is obviously not sin (ignoring what feminists may claim).

    Since using an object is obviously not raping a woman, nor having sex with another man’s wife, nor having sex with your sister, etc., it should be obvious that the verses from #2 do not apply here — with the possible exception of bestiality. I do not agree, but some might argue that having sex with a donkey is having sexual relations with something other than a human. And thus a sex doll would be similar, and thus similarly immoral. I have never met someone to make this claim, but I admit it is at least a possible argument.
    So ignoring the possible bestiality argument, there is no Scripture I am aware of that would support the blanket statement from Gunner Q. Gunner Q, can you think of one?
    Now I should add that MOST sexual activities, outside marriage, are immoral. But this assertion is based on various Scriptures dealing with those particular activities, such as 1 Cor 6:15 for prostitution, and others dealing with the items for #2 above.

    Regardless of whether there is a moral issue, it still seems pointless. As others have said, the offerings available are rather disgusting. (At least from what I saw about 15 years ago when I went into a sex store.) I cannot imagine any person actually finding any kind of fulfillment in what was being sold, regardless of their moral judgment on the issue. Even if the fake body looked perfect, wouldn’t that be similar to having sex with a dead person?

    @Mrs. P
    No, some / most / all here are quite capable of relationships. They just are not willing to take a woman who is unworthy of marriage. A woman will not take a spouse she does not respect; why should a man?
    Some men find a woman of noble character and marry her. Some choose not to marry, which is better (1 Cor 7, Matt 19). And some find that a woman of noble character cannot be found (Prov 31:10).

  144. Mrs. P,
    I recognize you from some other blogs. I know you are a woman who does not believe in feminism and also is a true follower of Jesus Christ. I think you’ll find most of the men here agree with your analysis of sexbots. However, we are debating what will happen in a world devoid of Christ that is seeped in feminism and progressive morals.

    There are men here who very much seek Christ and worship Him as Lord. There are also men here who have had feminism, inside and outside the church take apart their families and world. They are angry and they are also looking for answers. Most guys here are looking for answers and to find answers we have to speak about problems.

    You’ll likely not find it a friendly place for a Christian woman, because it’s not a place a for a Christian woman. But amongst the readers and commentators you’ll find pastors, godly husbands and godly men who walk with Christ each day, lead their families in a biblical manner and preach Christ to the lost. Dalrock and his comment section can be messy and even ugly at times- much like the bible- but it is an incredibly valuable resource to the modern Christian man trying to wrestle with a modern world that despises both Christ and man. It may not be for you, well I can promise you it is not, but I would not judge to harshly as you’ve never had to deal with the issues these men have to deal with and be thankful for that. It’s not your war, but it is a war zone and war zones are ugly. God bless-

  145. JDG says:

    Dear Mrs. P,

    You speak of what you do not know or understand. Perhaps, in this place, it would be better if you did not speak at all.

  146. Ray Manta says:

    Mrs. P says:
    See sexbots will have no souls. Maybe the ones attracted to such an ideal are devoid of souls as well??

    Neither do vibrators or Kindle downloads of 50 shades of Grey. Yet both are used by women to obtain sexual gratification. If you really believe what you say, shouldn’t you be harshly criticizing women who use sex substitutes too?

    I guess this is supposed to be a male Christian blog.?

    In my opinion, it’s one of the few that honestly qualify. Plenty of men post here with a non-Christian point of view and they’re accepted too.

    I don’t see Christ here.

    I’m not surprised at all, since Dalrock and the majority of posters here don’t make any effort to kiss up to women. That must be a very different experience compared to the church you go to. By the way, what’s the percentage of male attendees there?

    By the way, the thought of a male sex bot makes me gag.

    Thanks for your input. Unfortunately for women, they’ll be at a disadvantage in using sexual substitutes compared to men in the near future due to the hypergamous, socially directed nature of female sexuality. A male sexbot or VR setup won’t be useful in buying that McMansion in the suburbs or making all your girlfriends jealous. Men’s needs are much simpler in that respect; their sex substitutes would just have to cross a threshold of hotness, willingness, and realism.

  147. Minesweeper says:

    “Mrs. P says: September 21, 2015 at 7:24 pm
    Honestly guys, it’s not the fear of sexbots taking our place but pity sadness and revulsion. And the creeps. See sexbots will have no souls. ”

    Most women (esp in divorce) nowadays behave as if they have NO souls, they think nothing of terminating there in-womb-children (33% of the pop,25% of all pregnancies) or terminating their families (45% all marriages).

    Comparing a woman to a sexbot she loses every time, they won’t kill your children nor destroy you in a divorce. A sexbot is more moral, less evil and more “humane” than most women nowadays – how shocking is that.

    Revulsion is something we both share regarding the female form – your artificial, ours bilogical.

    “Maybe the ones attracted to such an ideal are devoid of souls as well?? It’s apparent that many of you can’t relate to real human females” – wrong again. We see how women really are, and its horrifying.

    “this is due to your own shortcomings, not of feminism or women in general. I guess this is supposed to be a male Christian blog.? I don’t see Christ here. Not at all. ”

    Christ is here, whats not here is feminists nor manboobz. BTW open your bible, you won’t see many feminists in there either.

    “By the way, the thought of a male sex bot makes me gag. I want a man to love and desire me for me. Not because he is “programmed”to.”

    i,I,I,me,me,me. You are saying you want a real authentic relationship ? How about a sexbot that takes you for 75% of your income for the next 25 years and kidnaps or aborts your kids on a whim ?

    I doubt many will get in to sexbots, but its just awesome how terrified women are regarding it. And you should be, you have relegated yourselves to the bottom rung of morality by your continual, ungodly and evil actions.

    Your shaming post won’t carry any weight here apart from our mocking. Womankind will reap what is has sown.

  148. Salty John says:

    I’m an openly asexual straight man, and I was able to sit down and make a list of forty advantages that a bot (in my case, a lovebot rather than a sexbot) would have over the real thing. I’m sure you sex-havers could easily come up with a list of forty more.

    You see, it’s not all about getting that endorphin hit from having sex. For a few of us, it’s about having a partner who can relate to us and enjoy the same things we enjoy, with no likelihood she’ll try to take advantage of us or rule us.

    To paraphrase Sarah Connor in Terminator II, if a machine can be made to understand the value of love, why can’t a real woman?

    Sign me up, I’m ready to make my first down payment on a lovebot.

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