As expected

Pentagon moves to allow transgender troops to serve openly

And there likely won’t be much opposition on Capitol Hill, with Senate Armed Services Chairman John McCain (R-Ariz.) saying he has no major objections.

This is the day after the announcement and I can’t find any press accounts of a reaction by House Armed Services Committee Chairman Mac Thornberry (R-Texas).  Neither man’s reaction surprises me, as their previous statements indicated that they were ready to roll over on the issue.

 

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92 Responses to As expected

  1. Will S. says:

    Rommel called the Highlanders the ‘ladies from hell’.

    But then, they were Real Men!🙂

  2. feeriker says:

    Any “conservative” who still takes Republicans seriously needs to institutionalized.

  3. feeriker says:

    “… needs to be institutionalized.”

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  5. Glenfilthie says:

    This is largely the work of the liberals and libertarians, Feeiker.

  6. Anchorman says:

    This is largely the work of the liberals and libertarians, Feeiker.

    Never mind the conservatives sitting on their hands…

  7. -A says:

    Well, at least this likely makes a military state less likely. Sure, the wimps will have government tech but, will they have the competence or the marksmanship necessary to impose marshal law?

  8. J N says:

    Up next:

    – Trans* acceptance enshrined into law, including bathroom/locker use
    – Mandatory unisex bathrooms and locker rooms
    – Polyamory
    – Toplessness
    – Same-sex lesbian pederasty
    – Same-sex male pederasty

    Libertarians, social conservatives, and traditional conservatives sure are good at each being a force for the overall liberal-progressive agenda.

  9. J N says:

    @feeriker

    Any “conserative” who thinks political solutions will fix this is deluded.

    Building parallel institutions and a parallel culture is the best way out, not trying to get laws passed/changed.

  10. Crank says:

    I’m not sure how this is any different than gays, really. Plus, you could piss off the feminists by setting physical standards for the marines and such that only born men and trans women (i.e., men who became women) can meet, and then claim you’ve admitted a bunch of “women” into the marines. Even after they transition and take hormones, they are still going to be stronger in the upper bodythan real women – like that MMF trans chick that Sailer likes to laugh about.

    But what happens when they are out in the field for long periods and can’t get their regular hormones? Are they going to become men again (sans wankers)?

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  12. Anchorman says:

    Crank,
    Most trans are males going female.

    This will lead to (eventually) one getting through a Special Ops school.

    Loud trumpets from the press as a “woman” makes it through Ranger school, Q course, BUDS, etc. That “woman” will never see time on a team and will be a PR pony for recruitment.

  13. feeriker says:

    Any “conserative” who thinks political solutions will fix this is deluded.

    Exactly. Then again, “delusion” is the socon/tradcon’s stock in trade.

    Pathetic.

  14. J N says:

    @Crank

    I actually welcome trans* acceptance, since it means we’re about to have a ton of men encroaching on what has traditionally been female-dominated/feminist-dominated spaces. Trans* “women” think and act like men. It’s going to upset the whole feminist-imperative apple cart.

    I’m not sure exactly what the trans* “woman” imperative is, but it sure ain’t the female imperative.

  15. feeriker says:

    This will lead to (eventually) one getting through a Special Ops school.

    Loud trumpets from the press as a “woman” makes it through Ranger school, Q course, BUDS, etc. That “woman” will never see time on a team and will be a PR pony for recruitment.

    More likely the controlled news media will be prohibited from making any mention of this “woman” being trans. If my nearly two decades on active duty showed me anything, it is that the Pentagram’s penchant and apparatus for suppressing information would make Josef Stalin cry out in protest. “National security” concerns, doncha know?

  16. J N says:

    @TFH

    No man has any business joining some giant trans-national military apparatus which does not have his own interests at heart, nor his town’s, nor his family’s, nor his narrow ethnic group’s, nor his religion’s, nor probably even his employer’s.

    In most times and places, young men have to be drafted to join an organised military. Young men will voluntarily serve for guerilla-type units (nowadays we call these people “terrorists”).

    I still continue to sit amazed at conservatives who will rant and rave about how bad Obamacare is, then gush about how great the military is. They don’t seem to have noticed who the Commander in Chief is.

  17. Anchorman says:

    More likely the controlled news media will be prohibited from making any mention of this “woman” being trans.

    Oh, I didn’t mean to imply anyone would know it would be a trans male/female. The media would cover it up “to respect privacy” (i.e. support The Narrative).

  18. Looking Glass says:

    It’s probably worth pointing out that there are probably less than 100k total “trans” in the USA. Nearly every single one seems to make the news.

  19. pukeko60 says:

    How many divisions are the elite prepared to sacrifice in the next nasty war because they have promoted wimps and managers over those who can actually fight? The Soviets lost millions of men due to the Stalinist purges leaving them with no competent generals: but I think Joe Stalin did less damage to the fighting spirit in the Rodina than Obama is doing.
    Particularly if the next nasty war is a civil war….

  20. J N says:

    @Looking Glass

    The statistics for the age 13 to 18 demographic are looking a lot worse than that, actually. I would expect it to become as common as a homosexual identity. It’s almost the exact same thing, just a slightly different part of gender identity (“what makes me feel sexy to think about myself being” vs “what I find sexy in another person”). The proper alignment is “what I am” and “the opposite of what I am”; there’s no reason think homosexuality should be more common than transsexuality.

    In ancient cultures, lots of young boys were expected to assume the role of eunuch, which is basically what a transsexual is.

  21. Why would you cuckservatives want the corrupt US fedgov to have a capable military? Better to oppress you? Welcome the insanity and know it will all burn like Yugoslavia.

  22. feeriker says:

    In most times and places, young men have to be drafted to join an organised military.

    And that’s only because whatever military campaign the ruling classes were waging clearly had nothing whatsoever to do with defending a man’s home and family from actual invasion. The average common man had ZERO stake –indeed, he had plenty to lose— in joining his betters’ reckless martial campaigns that were based solely on selfish political considerations that benefitted only the privileged few.

    OTOH, whenever an obvious and direct foreign invasion of one’s home country takes place (e.g., Finland 1939-1940, Russia 1941-1945, Aghanistan 1979 – present, to name just three quick examples), there is not only no need for conscription, you couldn’t stop people from taking up arms in defense of their homeland even if you wanted to. No one needs to be coerced into defending their home and family from clearly imminent or present dangers.

    Immutable rule of thumb: if a political regime feels the need to impose military conscription, you immediately know that the cause has nothing whatsoever to do with legitimate national defense.

  23. Operation Transgender Shield!

    They can be used as shock troops!

  24. J N says:

    I would welcome womens’ sports being overrun with trans* “women”. Basically, it’d be an end to womens’ sports, and we could go back to having most sports just be men’s sports, albeit with some of them in drag.

  25. Anchorman says:

    It occurs to me that if Bruce Jenner went trans back in the 70s, s(he) could have held every woman’s world record in athletics, which would be far out of reach of any real female athlete…

    The top high school boys sprinters beat female Olympic sprinters who train for almost a decade longer.

  26. new anon says:

    This ties into the previous topic about men and respect.

    How many young men join the military, because they see it as a way to gain respect? Being a soldier has long been seen as an honorable undertaking, and young men joined the military to be part of an honorable organization and culture.

    No longer. From red high heels to full transgender, what was once honorable is being turned to the perverse.

    This is part of a larger pattern. To destroy any institution that allows a man to develop any sense of self respect.

  27. new anon says:

    It’s time we quit propping up the left’s fantasies.

    If the left thinks an army made of of women, gays, and trans is a good thing, then that is what they should get.

    The only reason the left’s version of the military works is there are enough good men in the military to make it work DESPITE the left’s interference. Without those good men propping everything up, the system would fall flat on its face. There should be a SGTOW (soliders going their own way) movement.

    If you are in the military–leave. If you are thinking of joining the military–don’t. There is no honor in propping up a dysfunctional system.

    Sometimes the only way to prove someone is wrong, is to let them have what they want. This is one of those times.

  28. Gerald says:

    So if a male soldier announces that he identifies as female, does that mean they move him into a female baracks and he showers with the women? When it comes time for the fitness test, will he only have to meet the standards for females of his age group? Sign me up!

    If a female identifies as male, will she be moved to the male barracks and showers? Will she have to meet the higher physical fitness standards that men meet?

  29. Richard Cook says:

    Many lives will have to be lost before the military is fixed.

  30. “Sure, the wimps will have government tech but, will they have the competence or the marksmanship necessary to impose marshal law?”

    The won’t even waste a bullet like that. Read your recent history, bro. You will kneel and dig a trench with your bare hands and then they will bayonet you in the back.

  31. Like you pointed out to us in your last post, Dalrock. It is all about respect with men.

    Respect > Sex

  32. Zippy says:

    I for one welcome our new high heeled overlords.

    [D: Hilarious!]

  33. I am not surprised. The Republican leaders only care about their defense industry bribes and donations; not the welfare of actual soldiers. None of these politicians care about society; only how to fill their bank accounts and steal the taxpayers money.

  34. Feather Blade says:

    ‘Feminists’ are going to find that trannies are a major problem for them…

    Many feminists have already found Trans* to be a problem. There’s even a derogatory label for such feminists, bestowed by those who are further on the path to …er… enlightenment : TERF “Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist”

  35. greyghost says:

    I may have to get a subscription to Navy Times just to enjoy the comedy.

  36. Gunner Q says:

    Looks like Obama’s purge of military brass is paying off. They implement their orders before the ink is dry. That would be impressive in other circumstances.

    markpower@ 2:19 pm:
    “Why would you … want the corrupt US fedgov to have a capable military? Better to oppress you?”

    Because our military’s first duty has always been to protect us from foreign invasion. Make no mistake, the Elites of the world want America dead like Carthage. Gutting our military is a strong step in preparing all-out military action against us. Therefore, I don’t like the idea of my country being unable to defend itself… and yes, America is STILL worth defending. We are not our tyrannical, hypocritical, perverted, lying, thieving, treacherous, Christ-hating leaders.

    I would rather be oppressed by my fellow countrymen than by a peacekeeping coalition of Chinese communists, Mexican drug cartels, vengeful Russians, Muslim “refugees” and the European Usurers.

  37. greyghost says:

    So if a male soldier announces that he identifies as female, does that mean they move him into a female baracks and he showers with the women? When it comes time for the fitness test, will he only have to meet the standards for females of his age group? Sign me up!

    If a female identifies as male, will she be moved to the male barracks and showers? Will she have to meet the higher physical fitness standards that men meet?

    These are good questions. Fail a PFT or want to raise your score declare yourself a bitch. Can you imagine how much fun a dark triad type can have fucking with the military. Every body will know some jack off rebel is just acting like a fairy but by law they have to kiss his ass even the real fairies will to protect their own goodies.

  38. DissidentRight says:

    I don’t understand why people say there are no political solutions, and I really don’t understand the talk about parallel institutions.

    Certainly there are no political solutions that involve us playing by the rules. But there are plenty of political solutions that, if pursued, have an excellent chance of success: for example, pushing red states from frustration into quasi-rebellion.

    And if we are going to build new institutions only to once again refuse to defend them, why waste the time? But if we plan to defend these new institutions, why not just start by defending the many perfectly good ones that already exist.

  39. Maunalani says:

    Vladimir is laughing his head off.

  40. Carnivore says:

    @J N : Any “conserative” who thinks political solutions will fix this is deluded.
    -and-
    I still continue to sit amazed at conservatives who will rant and rave about how bad Obamacare is, then gush about how great the military is. They don’t seem to have noticed who the Commander in Chief is.

    1000+
    I’m curious to see how the Confederate flag kerfuffle impacts the future regional composition of the US military which is mainly comprised of Southrons. My guess would be little to no change.

    To swallow the red pill whole, one needs to realize that the constant trad-con/conservative bleating about Obama is so much hot air. Since the nation has continued to follow the progressives’ path regardless of which party’s candidate fills the presidential chair, one would think it should be obvious that focusing on the current President and a presidential election is pointless. At least it should be obvious to anyone over the age of 35 or so. And yet, it seems to be obvious to men in their 20’s.

  41. J N says:

    @Carnivore

    Seeing as enlisted men are mostly southern boys, and new officers are mostly Mormons, we will live in quite interesting times indeed in the coming years.

    At this point, I want to find non-political solutions. I think God has a plan for what he’s going to do with kingdoms and presidents and armies – and I think it will be quite, quite interesting to see what actually unfolds. But none of us are in a position to do anything about it.

    We are, however, in a very strong position to do something about our churches.

  42. Badpainter says:

    Awesome!

    Hilarity ensues when MTFs have to adhere to female height/weight/bodyfat standards and the FTMs have to pass male PT standards.

    Good thing the military is no longer connected to national defence.

  43. J N says:

    @Badpainter

    Indeed, I have a lot more confidence in America’s ridiculously-armed populace to defend itself, were some nation foolhardy enough to try invading.

    I have serious doubts that the officers in charge of nuclear weapons would bother firing them at other nations, were the command to come down the chain. Events in Russia when officers decided not to do so prove my point.

    What are we so afraid of?

  44. Spike says:

    new anon says:

    July 14, 2015 at 2:59 pm

    “It’s time we quit propping up the left’s fantasies.
    If the left thinks an army made of of women, gays, and trans is a good thing, then that is what they should get”
    Quote of the Blog.
    It’s been said before, and should be said again. If the rules of the privileged positions of women, gays and trans are considered, then you have a two-tier military: a front line of straight men and a bunch of tag-alongs. Of the two, it will be the stronger, better soldier who will do all of the dirty work. This in turn means it is they who are more likely to be KIA, while the women, gays and trans get the accolades.
    The logical step then is to resign from the Armed Forces, and allow women, gays and trans to prove themselves as men have for centuries.

  45. Tom C says:

    In answer to the question “did my tax dollars pay for this?” Yes, the military is reviewing whether it will conduct or fund gender re-assignment surgery, according to the Associated Press.

    Also under consideration is what physical training standards transgender individuals would be required to meet during different stages of their transition. So maybe if GI Joe can’t make the grade he can take some hormones and get by with a few less push-ups.

    They also want to determine where they will be housed, what uniforms they will wear (one word: rainbows!), which bathrooms they will use and whether their presence would affect the ability of small units to work well together. Don’t worry about that last one though, as “the working group will start with the presumption that transgender persons can serve openly without adverse impact on military effectiveness and readiness, unless and except where objective, practical impediments are identified,” said Defense Secretary Carter.

  46. Novaseeker says:

    The statistics for the age 13 to 18 demographic are looking a lot worse than that, actually. I would expect it to become as common as a homosexual identity. It’s almost the exact same thing, just a slightly different part of gender identity (“what makes me feel sexy to think about myself being” vs “what I find sexy in another person”). The proper alignment is “what I am” and “the opposite of what I am”; there’s no reason think homosexuality should be more common than transsexuality.

    In ancient cultures, lots of young boys were expected to assume the role of eunuch, which is basically what a transsexual is.

    Yep. It’s related to the more effeminate part of the gay male community — there is a blurring there between the ones who go “full trans” and the ones who do not but remain “fem gays”. There have always been a small number of males like that, and physically they almost always are not exactly classically masculine specimens to begin with.

    Mike Bailey of Northwestern wrote a book about trans-“women” that the trans community hates. He basically found that there are two kinds of MTF trans (and almost all trans are MTF, the number of MTFs dwarfs the tiny number of FTMs because most females who are inclined just opt to go butch lez rather than FTM): (1) “homosexual transsexuals”, who are gay guys who are effeminate and decide that to move from being effeminate men to presenting as even more female (he says that this is because of elements in the gay community that favor masculine looking men and disfavor the effeminate ones, but I am not certain of that — my thought is that these are just guys who are “on the border” in terms of their persona and physicality to begin with) and (2) “autogynephilic transsexuals”, who are guys who get turned on by looking at a femmed-up version of themselves — that is, they are auto-erotic to a large degree and get off on being sexy in a feminine-esque sense and looking at themselves (or being looked at by men who find them sexy). He says that both are pathological, but that the autogynphilics are more problematic (mentally ill in his view), whereas the gay transsexuals should really just be encouraged to stay gay males, and perhaps get a bit more comfortable with being male but more effeminate than average. He thinks that the radical step of sexual reassignment surgery, breast implants, other surgeries (like shaving the bone on the face and so on) and hormones are all more harmful to these people than less invasive ways of dealing with it, like encouraging the gay ones to stay gay and not go trans, while treating the autogynephilic ones as having a serious mental illness in the area of sexuality and devising psychological therapies to enable them to recover and land in a more healthy sexual place. Needless to say, the trans community hates him, but he is one of the more leading experts on the world of trans, and he is no supporter of it.

  47. Dale says:

    OT: A man and woman engage together in the same act, which is deemed to be indecent. (http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/national/Woman+convicted+indecent+flight+fondling+after+downing/11213523/story.html)

    The man is found guilty of:
    – an indecent act.

    The woman is found guilty of:
    – an indecent act
    – assaulting a police officer
    – an act of mischief
    – causing a disturbance
    She also caused damage to a wall.

    The man is given: 18 months probation
    The woman is given: 9 months probation, plus has to pay to fix the wall

    The man is guilty of one crime instead of four, but gets double the punishment. Yeah, that seems fair….

  48. CK says:

    Any rightist who still takes conservatives seriously needs to be institutionalized.

  49. GeminiXcX says:

    J N
    At this point, I want to find non-political solutions. I think God has a plan for what he’s going to do with kingdoms and presidents and armies – and I think it will be quite, quite interesting to see what actually unfolds.

    Revelation 16:14-16 is the “non-political solution”.

    -GXcX

  50. GeminiXcX says:

    Anchorman
    (This is largely the work of the liberals and libertarians, Feeiker.)

    Never mind the conservatives sitting on their hands…

    You’re both correct…ish. The political parties are basically the same; they’re just under different names. Besides, all the earthly nations have the same master ruler, regardless of who sits in “Parliament”. (Luke 4:5-7)

    -GXcX

  51. Republicans are right-liberals, not conservatives. Their mission is to be the tail end of the progressive long march, impotently grumbling that we’re moving too quickly but not disagreeing about the final destination. Watch as the GOP candidates seriously discuss how the party can get a bigger share of the trannie vote.

  52. GeminiXcX says:

    CK
    Any rightist who still takes conservatives seriously needs to be institutionalized.

    “I am neither right, nor left, I am nothing; I see things for the way they are.”
    — Stardusk.

    A very wise man.

    -GXcX

  53. BC says:

    Well, at least this likely makes a military state less likely.

    It actually makes it more likely to be attempted, but ultimately less likely to be successful.
    Think about it – which military is more likely, that is to say less inhibited by cultural, religious or other moral factors, to actually turn its guns against the a religious, conservative and, well, let’s just say it, white populace? America’s traditional religious, conservative, white male military, or the new gay, trans, feminist, increasingly minority rainbow coalition military?

  54. The military state most likely will be soldiered by drones after it burns through trying to enlist mercenary immigrants that simply see drug trafficking as more profitable. In 40-70 years many first world nations will increasingly be dominated by aged old geriatrics. There simply won’t be enough young people willing to serve given they will control their marketplace value since youth will be a scarce resource. Drones will not only defend the populace; they will disseminate medication and wipe the butts of the citizenry since there won’t be enough human health care workers.

    It will be remote control enforcement.

  55. Isa says:

    @Novaseeker

    Interesting on the book. I’ve only known 3 transgender people in my life, and they all tended to be indistinguishable from the sex they thought they were (i.e. the girl that thought she was a guy… looked and acted exactly like a guy) before any type of surgery or hormones. One trans girl actually ended up marrying a man who was also trans… interesting wedding photos that, as it was impossible to tell that they weren’t playing dress up for a fancy dress party.

    Do you have any resources on the cross-dressing/transgender differences? The only cross-dressers I know could blanket a funeral in sparkles, so I’m not seeing where the straight cross-dressers come in…

    @J N

    Since trans men would decimate women’s sports, why wouldn’t they also decimate women in the military? Since a trans men without full surgery could be a “lesbian,” would a female feel comfortable showering and sharing a bunk with him on a destroyer? I sure as heck wouldn’t. So female enlistment drops like a stone, and the women are actually all men in dresses. Fine by me, women don’t belong there anyways. Clever solution to the girl power problem if that’s what they’re really after.

  56. MarcusD says:

    Well, at least this likely makes a military state less likely. Sure, the wimps will have government tech but, will they have the competence or the marksmanship necessary to impose marshal law?

    That assumes that robotics (autonomous or remote-controlled) doesn’t fill the gap. A few Predator drones with Hellfire missiles can do a lot of damage. Same with remote-controlled tanks.

  57. greyghost says:

    MarcusD
    Those neat toys require men to maintain them and make them work. Also they are controlled in the US. best way to fight a robot is to shoot the operator coming out of the shitter right after he finishes wiping his ass.
    Also the great thing about this equality stuff is the best troops are the heterosexual white family man motivated by patriotic duty. Remember the men and respect thing. How motivated and loyal do you think those men will be killing men that respect family so they can keep in place a government and society that has zero respect for them. At present the DHS considers our combat veterans a threat.

  58. Novaseeker says:

    Do you have any resources on the cross-dressing/transgender differences? The only cross-dressers I know could blanket a funeral in sparkles, so I’m not seeing where the straight cross-dressers come in…

    The book doesn’t really focus on the fetishists (i.e., straight crossdressers who dress up in private and masturbate), but if I’m remembering correctly (I read the book around ten years ago or so), he does note that the “autogynephilic transsexuals” often started out as crossdresser fetishists and progressed down the line to transsexualism. Bailey also notes that there are usually substantial phyiscal differences between the “homosexual transsexuals” and the “autogynephilic transsexuals” in that the former are often marginal members of their biological sex and can therefore more easily “pass” as the other sex, while the latter are more typical of their biological sex and do not typically easily “pass” as members of the other sex. Also may of the “autogynephilic” ones are straight, or say they are, but seem to enjoy visual attention from men (in addition to getting off on their female selves themselves), whereas the homosexual transsexuals are people who were always attracted sexually to members of their own biological sex.

    I think the ones you mention in your post are homosexual transsexuals, whereas, say, Bruce Jenner is an autogynephilic transsexual.

  59. Julian O'Dea says:

    Novaseeker, why do you think that Bruce Jenner has autogynephilia? My understanding is that such men are keen to have genital “reassignment” and he has not gone down that path, at least so far.

  60. Novaseeker says:

    Novaseeker, why do you think that Bruce Jenner has autogynephilia? My understanding is that such men are keen to have genital “reassignment” and he has not gone down that path, at least so far.

    Well, most transsexuals actually do not have sex reassignment surgery, whether they are of Bailey’s “homosexual” variety or “autogynephilic”. For Jenner, it’s the case that he is neither gay (he says he’s attracted to women, and almost all of the transsexuals who are attracted to women are autogynephilic), nor is he a “marginal specimen”, physically, who has a hard time trying to fit in as a member of his biological sex (as is the case with most of the homosexual transsexuals). He was a perfectly masculine bodied and masculine acting guy for almost his entire life, and is attracted sexually to women. He matches the profile for autogynephilic, really, following Bailey’s taxonomy.

  61. Julian O'Dea says:

    Could he not be a cross-dresser?

  62. Gunner Q says:

    MarcusD @ 2:10 am:
    “That assumes that robotics (autonomous or remote-controlled) doesn’t fill the gap. A few Predator drones with Hellfire missiles can do a lot of damage. Same with remote-controlled tanks.”

    Those can project force but not hold ground. There will never be a replacement for basic infantry.

    We’re also a bit more technologically inclined than uneducated Third World goat herders. I don’t think drone tech will be as one-sided effective when used against Americans.

  63. honordads says:

    And yet, we will (probably) still keep female recruiting quotas in place.

  64. Megalodon says:

    How long before they inaugurate the “Chelsea” Manning Service Award?

  65. J N says:

    @Novaseeker

    Indeed, and all he spends his time talking about is painting his toenails, wearing pretty dresses, etc.

    A few feminists have spoken out about how they’d like him to stop reducing being female to wearing pretty dresses. Of course, they have been denounced as transphobic because they couldn’t possible understand how hard Jenner’s life is. Yeah, it must be really difficult being a wealthy celebrity.

  66. J N says:

    @MarcusD / @Gunner Q

    Considering as the U.S. can’t seem to control Iraq, ISIS, or Afghanistan, it seems preposterous to think that our present model could succeed in turning against its own people.

  67. Will S. says:

    @ Dale: Yep.

    And in Florida, a couple who had sex on the beach got sentenced; he received 2.5 years prison; she only received ‘time served’, despite both being now registered as sex offenders.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/florida-man-sentenced-to-twoandahalf-years-for-having-sex-on-the-beach-in-front-of-a-child-10370359.html

  68. BradA says:

    I wonder who would be sexually attracted to a trans individual. Wouldn’t you want the “real thing” whatever your normal sexual target?

  69. We also fight wars with one hand tied behind our backs thinking we can implement a ‘western style democracy and economy’. Wars shouldn’t be fought to liberate; their sole purpose is to eliminate your enemies and seizing their resources. That is how every empire or conqueror in the history of man has waged war; without compassion or mercy. No good deed goes unpunished when it comes to international relations.

  70. J N says:

    @BradA

    I assume that if trans* person is a close enough imitation of the “real thing”, your average playa will be OK with receiving sexual favours from such a person. Such a thing happening by accident is a bit of a running joke amongst sexually promiscuous males, actually.

    There is a fetish of men who are attracted to transsexual “women”. They are specifically attracted to the transsexuality. They’re otherwise straight dudes.

  71. Boston to Providence says:

    This measure, like any other experiment in socio-political absurdism, will require either reams of regulations that no one knows how to put into practice, or produce cascades of unintended consequences which, it is certain, will never work out in favor of order and productivity. And that’s just the fight over who left the toilet seat up.

  72. Novaseeker says:

    Could he not be a cross-dresser?

    Could be, but most cross-dressers don’t have the surgery and the boobs and the so on. They don’t make physical changes to themselves — that’s the distinction. The rubicon is crossed when it moves from dressing up on towards making physical changes (hormones, surgery, electrolysis, etc.). Crossdressers are the ones who dress up and masturbate but don’t make any significant/lasting physical changes to themselves.

    There is a fetish of men who are attracted to transsexual “women”. They are specifically attracted to the transsexuality. They’re otherwise straight dudes.

    This is something I really don’t understand. I mean I think what you say is correct, but I don’t “get” it. If you are a man who is attracted to someone with a penis, precisely because you know they have a penis, even if the rest of them “looks (kind of) like a girl”, that’s some kind of bisexual. It has to be.

  73. Opus says:

    Allow me to explain to Novaseeker how this thing works: firstly there are Transvestites, they tend to look like hulking hairy-arsed builders who, frankly, look absurd in a skirt and will not fool anyone. A subset of this are sissies who wear one or more item of female lingerie or perhaps wear just lipstick – preferably bright red – this is not of course unrelated to cuckoldry. These people are definitely faggots. Then there is a second class: the Thai or Philippino Ladyboy (or in Japan The New-Half). There are a sub-set of these, too: the Femboys ; Femboys are a bit girly but still recognisably male: that is not really so with the ladyboys, for they are better looking than any girl and usually taller (so, great legs) though petite by Caucasian standards: furthermore, being men they are always horny and cannot succumb to an oops pregnancy and sodomy is so fashionable these days. They have dicks but the attraction is not the dick, as such, but the visual feminine attractiveness and availability; good to go anytime. I think we can expect an increase in these as it become ever harder for men to find a woman without being accused of Sexual Harassment or Date Rape and without the risk of Divorce Rape. Let us no forget that one of the most popular comedy routines is that between Mister Dudley and his Thai-Bride, Ting-Tong Makadingdong [Little Britain – Mister Dudley who is extremely unprepossessing wrote off for bride, but Ting Tong gives great blow-jobs and so despite threats to do so failed to send her back]. Finally there is the Post-Op Ladyboy who has had his dick chopped off and replaced with a vagina. Not overcommon, and frankly that makes me feel a bit squeamish.

    I know what you are thinking, but I am not dressed with any garment which women wear (I would look ridiculous) nor wearing any make-up (ditto) nor have I ever left the first world.

  74. J N says:

    Opus speaks the truth. Unfortunately. The ladyboys in Thailand are so impressive that many of the men who think they are “sex tourists” are, in fact, letting genetic males sexually service them. It is not unheard of for a young boy to undergo hormones and a sex change, with financing, which he then pays backs with the proceeds of prostitution from Westerners.

    @Novaseeker

    I don’t really find secular society’s distinctions of “bisexual” and “homosexual” very interesting. As far as I’m concerned, there’s proper sex within marriage, and then there’s sex outside of marriage, but still normal, heterosexual sex.

    And then there is all manner of sodomy. Sodomy between two men, sodomy between a man and someone who looks like a woman who used to be a man, and who knows what else. It’s all perversion and all an abomination in the eyes of God.

    It is really quite amazing how popular sodomy is, even with women, these days. Men watch pornography of two women committing homosexual acts with each other, which is an abomination in the eyes of God. And men watch pornography of women engaging in sodomy with men, to the point they prefer it to normal sex.

    It wasn’t always this way. The adult entertainment industry got taken over by gay men around the late 1980s, and ever since then, there has been a strong focus on boyish looks, complete hair removal, and a focus on sex acts that are sodomy, not normal sex. The whole idea here is to normalise sex that is not normal.

    From the looks of things, it’s working.

    Godly men need to stand up against this and speak up against all manner of perversion. Sex between a man and a woman in marriage is proper. Outside of marriage, less proper. Anything else is an abomination. And performing the same acts within marriage that homosexual men do with one another is pretty questionable.

  75. Retrenched says:

    http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/data.php?year=2014&datatype=national&def=1&f=1&off=3&elect=0

    Elections have consequences, but only when the Democrats win them.

  76. Novaseeker says:

    JN —

    Well, yes. Catholic and Orthodox Christians both denounce sodomy, even between married people. I do agree that the guys who want sex with these trans-guys are into sodomy, but gosh, it’s a huge step to have sodomy with someone who has a penis, or who used to have one. That doesn’t seem like a minor step to me.

    Maybe I’m just very old school. Brings to mind that 80s song by Ton Loc, “Funky Cold Medina”, where he raps about an encounter with someone named “Sheena”, who turns out to be a trans person, and he says “Ain’t got no plans with a man”, in response. I guess everything is blurred now, but I’ve never really “grokked” the attraction so many guys seem to have for men who make themselves look feminine. All I can think is that, as you say, pornography has mainstreamed a lot of sexual perversion which never used to be close to the mainstream. Now, “normal” “straight” guys are into having sex with men in dresses. Yup. Something very rotten in Denmark there.

  77. MarcusD says:

    The Woman from the Calgary Stampede Threesome Reminds Us That Women Can Do Whatever They Want
    https://archive.is/9iQxx

  78. J N says:

    @Novaseeker

    I had a friend who used to work in PCI compliance for one of the largest adult websites out there. (If you’ve ever paid for porn, chances are you can thank him for keeping your credit-card details safe.)

    He said the biggest growth category of what people are actually paying for is the “she-male” variety.

    Over on the nofap forums, a lot of guys trying to kick a porn addiction report needing a bigger and bigger shock in order get a sexual response from them. Many of them resort to looking at “she-male” pornography, even though they’re completely straight. They’re disgusted with themselves, but the regular stuff just stops working.

    I know someone who up and announced he felt like a woman one day. (I still associate with tax gatherers, sinners, and prostitutes.) He went through the hormones and everything else. Eventually he passed decently. Then he found out he could easily earn $100/hr after transaction costs doing the whole cam thing. Lots of seemingly straight guys, ready to open their pockets.

    Once you open the door to the perversion of pornography, and then pornography exhibiting sodomy between men and women, worse forms of perversion are not far behind.

  79. J N says:

    @Novaseeker

    It’s really not a big leap. Sex has been reduced to something entirely visual, that most men experience now with another man’s penis in the visual display.

    It shouldn’t be much of a leap to go to a real-life person who meets the visual requirements of being a woman.

    The proper purpose of sex (reproduction) and what makes a woman actually a woman (designed to reproduce when mated with a male) has been lost. Instead, humans are just glorified Realdolls.

    The obvious answer is for men to start refusing to have any sexual activity other than that which is related to reproduction. I never thought I’d sound so Catholic, but those celibate guys hanging around the Vatican were right on this one.

  80. MarcusD says:

    Why is loneliness such a big deal?
    http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=969640

    (TL;DR – MGTOW would not be popular on CAF.)

  81. Mark says:

    @MarcusD

    Nice Find!……Thanks.

  82. Opus says:

    I go back further than Novaseeker – never heard of Ton Luc, but surely everyone knows Lola by The Kinks (Ray Davies). If so, you will recall the lyric “well I’m not the world’s most passionate guy but I know what I am and I know I’m a man and so’s Lola L-O-L-A- Lola” and so on. Yes we in Britain have been easy about Trans people since 1970 indeed by 1970 we were easy over just about everything including of course what is now called Paedophilia – that was until the Feminazis began to insist that any form of interest in anyone younger than them was Paedo; that after all is their default position.

    It is (I have to say) a mistake to suppose that all Trannies are homosexual: my brother lived next door to one, who was a good and nice person but (s)he had a girlfriend, so was she straight or lesbian.

  83. Retrenched says:

    Disagreeing with feminists online will get you arrested in Canada… how long before that starts happening in the states?

    http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/christie-blatchford-ruling-in-twitter-harassment-trial-could-have-enormous-fallout-for-free-speech

  84. Retrenched says:

    *bans all non-leftists from journalism, academia and science*
    *criminalizes all disagreement with leftism*
    *gloats that reality has a liberal bias*

  85. J N says:

    @MarcusD:

    Loneliness isn’t too bad? With due respect, virtually no 25 year olds know what real loneliness is. It can include the following:

    1. Having absolutely nowhere to go on Christmas; Thanksgiving; or any holiday, including when you’re old & gray.
    2. Having no one call you on your birthday; no cards; no letters; ever.
    3. No one seeks you out; no one wants your opinion on anything; you’re irrelevant.

    In short, no one cares that you’re alive.

    THATS loneliness.

    The apex fallacies here are disgusting. Tons and tons of non-attractive men who are 18, 21, 25 have to deal with that all the time.

  86. Maybe I’m just very old school. Brings to mind that 80s song by Ton Loc, “Funky Cold Medina”

    Crap. And I thought it was a song about camping using a funky Coleman heater

  87. Dave says:

    “Disagreeing with feminists online will get you arrested in Canada… how long before that starts happening in the states?”

    This is where we should seriously begin to ask ourselves if the western man does not deserve all the injustice he has been subjected to.
    Picture this: a case involves a feminist, and there is a possibility that the judge might rule against her. What do you think feminists would do BEFORE the judge ruled?
    How about gays. They have a case in court where their very freedom was in the balance. What do they do BEFORE the judges rule? Why, in both cases, they would mount vigorous and sustained protests at the door of the courts. They would take to twitter, to change.org, to every outlet available to pressure the judge to rule in their favor.
    But men? They wait “patiently” until the hammer falls, then take to the media to make a belated protest. Doesn’t the western man deserve the the injustice, because he simply won’t learn from those who got results?

  88. J N says:

    @Dave

    In case you haven’t been paying attention, a rather vocal member of the manosphere recently had his Twitter account suspended, probably permanently.

    Twitter et al is an echo chamber for people with left wing views (including those who don’t realise they’re left wing, like socons and tradcons). It’s useless for any kind of realtalk.

  89. Dave says:

    That is the more reason why guys should protest more.

  90. Hells Hound says:

    No, it’s more reason to abandon this culture to its fate. Things would be different, of course, if women protested this, because that’d be seen as legitimate.

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