She was used!

Right in line with my last post, tabloid magazine In Touch and the Christian Post decry Kanye West’s failure to marry two time divorcée and soon to be baby mama Kim Kardashian.  The In Touch cover indignantly declares:

Humiliated Kim Discovers She’s Been Used
She thought Kanye would be her ticket to ultimate fame & fortune. Now divorced and desperate to wed, Kim realizes she’s been played as he refuses to propose

This is standard tabloid fare, but it isn’t just In Touch which is outraged that Kanye West is refusing to honor this two time divorcée’s sacred man up card.   The Christian Post headline worries:  Kanye West ‘Has No Intention’ of Marrying Pregnant Kim Kardashian? (emphasis mine):

[Kardashian], who is seven months along in her pregnancy, admitted that she would walk down the aisle again despite previously enduring two divorces.

“She served a purpose for him … Kim used to be so desirable that every guy wanted to date her. But now he’s over it,” the insider claimed.

All I have to say to Kanye is:

18 years, 18 years
She got one of your kids got you for 18 years
I know somebody paying child support for one of his kids
His baby mamma’s car and crib is bigger than his
You will see him on TV any given Sunday
Win the Superbowl and drive off in a Hyundai
She was suppose to buy you shorty TYCO with your money
She went to the doctor got lypo with your money
She walking around looking like Michael with your money

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231 Responses to She was used!

  1. earl says:

    “Kim used to be so desirable that every guy wanted to date her.”

    Nothing says desirable than a woman who became famous because of a sex tape.

  2. Okay, please explain to a simple Boer like me. Our people really have no idea what makes Kanye “should be sterilised’ West and Kartrashian Whore of interest. What the hell?! Has this become American culture? Lifting up the most utterly deprived individuals as role models for your youth?

    Just urgh!

  3. Carlotta says:

    Why is the Christian Post demanding Christian behavior out of those not Christian?

  4. Höllenhund says:

    Who impregnated her in the first place? Of course, it’s not surprising that nobody cares.

  5. Opus says:

    Let me guess:

    Kanye West is the singer in a beat Combo – or crooner, and Kim Kardashian, is a busty woman who wears far too much make up, most famous for her love affairs. She has a new book out every year. Rather Like Peter Andre and Katie Price in fact. Despite having the word SLUT written right through her she is a victim of the many men who love and leave her. She is the idol of trailer-trash woman who aspire to be like her and who admire her soap-opera life-style with its highs and lows.

    Am I close?

    [D: Same as it ever was.]

  6. Suz says:

    Ah, she doesn’t really want to be married to him; he’ll be paying her bills for the next 20 years anyway. She’s probably ticked off because she can’t be the star of another multi-million dollar wedding show.

  7. oblivion says:

    kanye is now going to learn “that sometimes the screwing that u get, isnt worth the screwing that u get.”

  8. Sexual Marxist says:

    I was behind these two older men on a bus last winter and one said, “We always wanted women to make sex easier to get. We just didn’t expect that they would. Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.”

  9. Revo Luzione says:

    Kanye is clearly red-pill aware, as your quotation of his lyrics for “Gold DIgger clearly demonstrates.
    Here’s another example–the lyrics for “All of the Lights,” where he talks about divorce theft/alimony, as well as parental alienation (Verse 2: specifically)
    http://rapgenius.com/Kanye-west-all-of-the-lights-lyrics

    He was crazy to make babies with that chick, but at least he’s not getting hitched to her.

  10. Sexual Marxist says:

    “She thought Kanye would be her ticket to ultimate fame & fortune. ”

    She’s already rich and famous, how much more does she want? Sheeesh.

  11. Bob says:

    Most “christian” magizines and material (espically online) still are covered with feminist stench. The church knows if they start to actually call out these sins they will lose a lot of there financing and backing due to their lack of reaching men due to ditching them for the politically correct crowd. To be honest i can wait for the “fast food churches” (basically a terrible way to feed your body, but it technically gets it done) to crumble. Hell, i know of several of these churchs who openly support divorce due to “emotional abandonment” and that crap. Just the other day i met my long time firend karen at a class reunion. She fell for the “im not happy” logic of many churchs and divorced her husband to follow her dreams. She not get alimony and child support and gets to stay at home (in ahouse that her husband paid for) while he is stuck working his corperate job 80 hours a week. I tried to point out the biblical flaws in her actions but she justified it that “all her friends had done it” and “she didnt think he was her sole mate”. The worst part was that she had two sons and one daughter who now barely see their father. Her daughter megan ended getting pregnant (suprise suprise) and both of her sons got their girlfriends pregnant, and guess what, she uses the “it must not be in gods plan” excuse for them not being married. But as her pastor says “all that matters is that you have jesus ( and keep fulling the offering plate every sunday)”.

  12. Twice divorced, a biracial bastard on the way, and she first became famous because of a sex tape… what’s not to like fellas?

  13. WillBest says:

    Kim is probably worth 40-50 million in her own right (being famous just cause pays really well these days) and that is excluding the several million her dad no doubt left her in trust. I know Kayne is probably pushing 100 million, but nobody is going to be hurting in any of this. Kayne nor anybody else wrapped up in the whole Kardashian nonsense doesn’t really care. They make more money off the tabloid press boosting whatever they sell than they spend in lawyers/accountants, and even child support.

    The truly depressing part of all of this is that kid is going to be messed up so his or her parents can sell some CD’s and perfume and make even more money than they already have.

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  15. Novaseeker says:

    Lol how could she POSSIBLY think that Kanye West would marry her? He wrote the song!! HE. WROTE. THE. SONG.

  16. Durasim says:

    despite previously enduring two divorces

    Enduring? Oh yes, because those divorces were entirely inflicted upon her. She was completely blindsided and suffered the ordeal. Never saw them coming.

  17. Yes, good emphasis there on her “enduring” those divorces. Quite heroic of her, I’m sure.

  18. Solomon says:

    These women that like to play victim while they slut around- they just can’t seem to wrap their head around their plummeting SMV. Between their shitty attitudes and shitty behavior, a man would have to be a complete idiot to do so. Can they really not see that?

  19. Consequences, meet Kim. Kim, meet Consequences. I’ll leave you two to get acquainted; you’ll have the rest of your life to do so.

  20. Johnycomelately says:

    My informal net trolling survey seems to show that ‘used women’ and ‘practice women’ are at the top of the tree of women’s most hated expressions.

  21. William says:

    Date? No
    Have sex with? Yes
    Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? Of course some woman don’t understand this as they use sex as the hook to get a relationship.
    Quite funny when you see it first hand.

    Found out this week that my older sister is pregnant, by a man she’s been dating for a few months who has two kids from a pervious relationship.
    She’s in her late 30s and never been the best caregiver or decisionmaker.
    Heard from both on how they’re gonna make the relationship work, what ever happened to dating, getting married and years later having children?
    Have’nt talked about the news with family/friends as i want to stay as far away from that train wreck as possible.

  22. How is Kanye in trouble for being down for child support? He’s rich! He’ll do just fine. Heck, Tom Cruise is out for child support, something like 12k a month, but that’s nothing for him, he’s so wealthy. Kanye will barely notice the child support bill–it’ll be like buying an extra watch every month, they way guys like him spend. Nothing.

  23. Of course, there are thousands of men who would marry Kim Kardashian in a second (I’m not saying they should; just saying they would). Some of them would even be good husbands, raise her bastard child as their own, and treat her like a princess. But apparently she’s Exhibit A for Alpha Widowhood; if he’s not an NBA player or a rap star, he need not apply.

  24. Happyhen says:

    I’ll just skip everything else and feel very sorry for the baby right now. Poor mite. No amount of wealth and pampering will make up for having that as a mother. Why would a man ever risk giving his child to a woman like that?

  25. WillBest says:

    @ Happyhen

    Well you see to maximize your seed you want to spread it far and wide and with a diverse set of women.

    As for Kim, she is just having fun. I am sure there will be a nice beta to give her the Norma Desmond treatment in a decade.

  26. Random Angeleno says:

    Not sure I’d feel sorry for the child. If nothing else, that kid will have money. Might be screwed up in the head, but the money will be there.

  27. Random Angeleno says:

    The real issue with this is their lifestyles and morals, esp. Kim’s are glamorized but both of them have craploads more money than 99% of everyone else will ever see. The life they live is just so far out there. So Kim’s alpha widowhood is the standard set by which too many women who can’t afford it but will follow anyway.

    For the record, that ass is still worth tapping. But foolish is the man who does anything beyond that. Guess Kanye is just a bit smarter than we gave him credit for.

  28. Happyhen says:

    Yes I guess if I just changed all my nouns to “pua,” “whore,” and “spawn” that pretty much answers my question.

  29. orion says:

    Is this the point where I can officialy throw in the towel and enjoy the decline?

    You will probably find me poolside.

    Next to a Swedish blonde.

  30. Luke says:

    Random Angeleno says:
    May 3, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    “Not sure I’d feel sorry for the child. If nothing else, that kid will have money. Might be screwed up in the head, but the money will be there.”

    Like Sonny and Cher’s ex-daughter “Chaz”, the transsexual? Talk about someone that should just have been humanely put down…

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  32. Michael says:

    @ Feminist Hater

    “Okay, please explain to a simple Boer like me. Our people really have no idea what makes Kanye “should be sterilised’ West and Kartrashian Whore of interest. What the hell?! Has this become American culture? Lifting up the most utterly deprived individuals as role models for your youth?”

    Absolutely. You could not have stated it more perfectly. This has been going on for decades. The resulting effect is non-Stop cultural Brainwashing creating a “new norm” in culture. These types of people are exalted as celebrities, role models, wealth and fame is poured into their laps.

    The Bible says something along the lines of 3 or 4 things which make the earth tremble or something like that. Things which heaven cannot stand. Something like that. One of them is a fool becoming king or a slave ruling his master. Something like that.

    Kim Kardishan was just a random whore who was selected for a reality TV show mostly watched by young adults. She then parlayed that into an “accidental” porn which resulted in her ongoing celebrity status and ongoing “reality show” which you see to this very day.

    Pornography also worked for Paris Hilton. Although in her case I don’t think was her fault. Sh was young and trusting with and older man. And he released it against her will. But the result was was the majority of the USA population who never heard of Paris Hilton – now suddenly saw her blasted on the news every day causing people to say “Who is Paris Hilton? with the media to zoom in on her non stop. Her wealth, non-stop partying, and Lilly padding made perfect fodder for the media.

    But at the same time if people were not watching this garbage it would not sell. But it’s almost become a combination of them constantly pushing it on the public AND the public’s “interest”. I don’t know which anymore.

    I can only hope the decline of the mainstream media monopoly caused by free market internet content etc will result in them losing their vice grip.

    Who cares about some whore who won’t be getting married after divorcing the nice guy basketball player who was stupid enough to believe he could save a piece of garbage with gentlemen courtship and a million dollar wedding ring.

  33. Not “say the completely true yet horribly racist thing” but have you noticed how so many of the pretty white girls who date black guys seem to be so slutty/trashy? I’ve bumped into that more than a few times in my family and in people I’ve met at college…

  34. Kim K is the definition of unmarriageable. She has a sex tape out, and was in a 70 day marriage that she broke off. And that is only the beginning. In a sane world, everyone would say, “well duh of course he shouldnt marry her”, but the white knight find, in an act of extreme hamsterbatics, a way to defend her, whilst the women solipsistically see themselves in her shoes, and thus side with her. Even Kanye has gone too far in getting her pregnant; he’s screwed. Kim K should clearly be relegated to the pump and dump only aisle of the mating market

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    When Odysseus comes home to find the town laying his estate to waste and trying to sleep with his wife, he slays them all. Today the chruchian is taught that they must let their wife be beenrnekiffied and buttehxted multiple times and inseminitaed, whence it is then their turn to man up and marry her and pay for her bastard children, as well as alimony so she can buy lingerie for her future boyfriends.

    Many churchians on this blog hate and detest Homer and Moses because they exalt a Man’s Honor.

    Ye have witnessed the churchians attacking the GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN to no end, as they believe that their ‘manhood” is defined by allowing their future wife to be buttehxted and desouled numerous times, and that is why the good churchians rage against Homer, while giving those butthexting tehir future wives a free pass.

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    Book XXII

    Then Ulysses tore off his rags, and sprang on to the broad pavement with his bow and his quiver full of arrows. He shed the arrows on to the ground at his feet and said, “The mighty contest is at an end. I will now see whether Apollo will vouchsafe it to me to hit another mark which no man has yet hit.”

    On this he aimed a deadly arrow at Antinous, who was about to take up a two-handled gold cup to drink his wine and already had it in his hands. He had no thought of death- who amongst all the revellers would think that one man, however brave, would stand alone among so many and kill him? The arrow struck Antinous in the throat, and the point went clean through his neck, so that he fell over and the cup dropped from his hand, while a thick stream of blood gushed from his nostrils. He kicked the table from him and upset the things on it, so that the bread and roasted meats were all soiled as they fell over on to the ground. The suitors were in an uproar when they saw that a man had been hit; they sprang in dismay one and all of them from their seats and looked everywhere towards the walls, but there was neither shield nor spear, and they rebuked Ulysses very angrily. “Stranger,” said they, “you shall pay for shooting people in this way: om yi you shall see no other contest; you are a doomed man; he whom you have slain was the foremost youth in Ithaca, and the vultures shall devour you for having killed him.”

    Thus they spoke, for they thought that he had killed Antinous by mistake, and did not perceive that death was hanging over the head of every one of them. But Ulysses glared at them and said:

    “Dogs, did you think that I should not come back from Troy? You have wasted my substance, have forced my women servants to lie with you, and have wooed my wife while I was still living. You have feared neither Cod nor man, and now you shall die.”

    They turned pale with fear as he spoke, and every man looked round about to see whither he might fly for safety, but Eurymachus alone spoke.

    “If you are Ulysses,” said he, “then what you have said is just. We have done much wrong on your lands and in your house. But Antinous who was the head and front of the offending lies low already. It was all his doing. It was not that he wanted to marry Penelope; he did not so much care about that; what he wanted was something quite different, and Jove has not vouchsafed it to him; he wanted to kill your son and to be chief man in Ithaca. Now, therefore, that he has met the death which was his due, spare the lives of your people. We will make everything good among ourselves, and pay you in full for all that we have eaten and drunk. Each one of us shall pay you a fine worth twenty oxen, and we will keep on giving you gold and bronze till your heart is softened. Until we have done this no one can complain of your being enraged against us.”

    Ulysses again glared at him and said, “Though you should give me all that you have in the world both now and all that you ever shall have, I will not stay my hand till I have paid all of you in full. You must fight, or fly for your lives; and fly, not a man of you shall.”

    Their hearts sank as they heard him, but Eurymachus again spoke saying:

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  36. If there was a dog running around your neighborhood, and you saw that it had dug up and pooped all over two or three of your neighbors’ yards, would you let it in yours? Kanye is (surprisingly) exhibiting wisdom by learning from others mistakes. Or maybe he reads some of the manosphere blogs.

  37. Sexual Marxist says:

    “Kim Kardishan was just a random whore who was selected for a reality TV show mostly watched by young adults. She then parlayed that into an “accidental” porn…”

    The porn came first, then the reality show.

    Porn is not only mainstream in our culture it is almost now the highest form of celebrity. Who’s fault is this? Which came first – the porn or the porn consumer?

  38. SM – Which came first – the porn or the porn consumer?

    Is that a pun?

  39. WillBest says:

    @ alpha mission.

    Its hard to claim she is unmarriable when she is an 8 with 50 million in the bank. Most the single 30-32 year olds out there are 7 minuses, with 5 figure debts, and have slept around as much as Kim K has. Hell a lot of them even have children.

    I wouldn’t marry her, but its not like she is Lindsey Lohan messed up yet.

  40. Michael says:

    “Which came first – the porn or the porn consumer?”

    I’m dizzy now…

  41. Luke says:

    archerwfisher says:
    May 3, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    “Not “say the completely true yet horribly racist thing” but have you noticed how so many of the pretty white girls who date black guys seem to be so slutty/trashy?”

    Indeed. The classic “render ’em speechless” retort to “once you go black, you’ll never go back” is of course “once you go black, you don’t GET to come back”.

  42. greyghost says:

    I wonder if focus on the family is going to have ole Kim speak at the church as a victimized heroic single mom. ( she is as big as a house.) If she is still married to that other cat he’s the one paying CS.

  43. @Will: i dont have to make that choice, no man does

  44. Perspective says:

    archerwfisher says:
    May 3, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    “Not “say the completely true yet horribly racist thing” but have you noticed how so many of the pretty white girls who date black guys seem to be so slutty/trashy?”

    Indeed. The classic “render ‘em speechless” retort to “once you go black, you’ll never go back” is of course “once you go black, you don’t GET to come back”.

    I seem to come across these sentiments a lot on the internet, but there doesn’t seem to be a lot said when the IR relationship involves a white man dating or married to a black woman. I’m just curious to know how about the types of perceptions surrounding these types of interracial relationships?

  45. Ghost of 503 says:

    “Not sure I’d feel sorry for the child. If nothing else, that kid will have money. Might be screwed up in the head, but the money will be there.”
    Until they blow it on cocaine & $500,000 cars.

  46. mackPUA says:

    Meh, if Kanye West took the red pill, he’d never have knocked up retards like Kim Twat in the first place …

    She’s a z-list nobody, while Kanye West has REAL productivity & wealth …

    The retarded press, only promotes inbreds like Kim rent-ashag because of her DAD’S billionaire wallet …

    The article Dalrock links to, are basically propoganda pieces written by social engineers

    Kim Kardashians a two dollar whore, who cant keep her legs shut … or her ass…

  47. mackPUA says:

    Killer comment on how slutty women are detroying the church ….

    ““Why didn’t I *immediately* see that those girls were hookers? I should have known by how they were dressed!”

    Then I realized…. 20 years ago, I would have indeed profiled them as hookers. But why had I lost that ability? What had blunted my discernment?

    The next day was Sunday. And as the girls strutted into church, I suddenly realized exactly where my desensitization had occurred! Female coworkers don’t dress that way, female neigbors don’t dress that way on the road or in the market.

    No, it was years and years of the Sunday morning slutwalks that desensitized me to revealiung clothing, to the point where i could no longer automatically profile a hooker as a hooker!”

  48. I can only hope the decline of the mainstream media monopoly caused by free market internet content etc will result in them losing their vice grip.

    Unfortunately, the MSM have quickly caught on to the Internet, and they have the full cooperation of the big online players like Google and Facebook. If you watched the front page of Twitter during the last election, you would have guessed Obama would win with at least 90% of the vote. Yes, the Internet makes it possible for dissenters to find each other and exchange ideas, but their influence on mainstream thinking is akin to a local cable-access program in 1989 compared to the big 3 networks.

    Not “say the completely true yet horribly racist thing” but have you noticed how so many of the pretty white girls who date black guys seem to be so slutty/trashy?

    If a white woman dates a black man, she may honestly be attracted to him as a person. However, she may be acting out personal self-respect issues (if she thinks she’s worthless, and she’s racist herself, dating outside her race is a twisted way to punish herself as she thinks she deserves), trying to get back at her conservative parents for something, trying to prove her liberal bona fides, etc. Were I a black guy, I’d be very wary of any white woman who pursued me, wondering what ulterior motives she might have, especially if she made a habit of it.

  49. I seem to come across these sentiments a lot on the internet, but there doesn’t seem to be a lot said when the IR relationship involves a white man dating or married to a black woman.

    That doesn’t happen often enough for anyone to care about (about 10% as often as the opposite direction). When it does, there doesn’t seem to be the same “which of these two is slumming more here” feel to it. Again, the sample size is small, but the white man/black woman pairings I’ve seen seem to be classy people who genuinely found someone they love, and race was irrelevant to them. There’s not the sense that one or both are trying to prove something to someone that you sense so often with the opposite pairing.

    I actually saw an episode of Phil Donahue years ago (maybe the only episode of that show I ever saw) where his guests were interracial couples. It was hilarious how all the black women in the audience cooed over the white man (sort of a Fabio wannabe, as I recall) who was married to a black woman — he could have walked out of there with a harem — but absolutely screeched hatred at the black man and white woman couple, accusing her of stealing and him of betraying his people. One of the most open and honest displays of hypocrisy and racial solidarity I’ve ever seen.

  50. Tam the Bam says:

    “You have feared neither Cod nor man,”
    lollzllolz GBFM iz u doin that just to check if we’s still awake?

  51. alcestiseshtemoa says:

    This part of Kanye West’s song “Golddigger” should have been included here too:

    If you ain’t no punk holla’ we want pre-nup
    WE WANT PRE-NUP!, yeah
    It’s something that you need to have
    ‘Cause when she leave yo’ ass she gon’ leave with half
    18 years, 18 years
    And on her 18th birthday, he found out it wasn’t his?

    And this part shows the princess entitlement and promiscuity (plus caddish activity):

    We all went to din and then I had to pay
    If you fuckin’ with this girl then you betta’ be paid
    You know why
    Take too much to touch her
    From what I heard she got a baby by Busta
    My best friend say she used to fuck with Usher
    I don’t care what none of y’all say I still love her

  52. Novaseeker says:

    Yes the whole song is one big red pill really.

    The interesting thing is that Kanye West must have known what he was getting into with KK, but did it anyway. I suppose that’s because she is rich enough as she is, she isn’t really a Gold-Digger but more of an attention seeker, and the publicity is good for him as well. Even with the CS payments, Kanye is a very, very rich guy, so the impact isn’t really there to the same degree as it would be for a normal guy.

  53. Novaseeker says:

    I seem to come across these sentiments a lot on the internet, but there doesn’t seem to be a lot said when the IR relationship involves a white man dating or married to a black woman. I’m just curious to know how about the types of perceptions surrounding these types of interracial relationships?

    As Cail says, they’re just very, very rare. The most common pairings, by far, among IR couples are BM/WW and WM/AW, where “W” includes “Hispanic White”. The rest is just a true blip. And because they are a blip, no-one is really concerned about them at all.

    Ironically, it is generally women who are more racially territorial in this area. The main objectors to the BM/WW pairing are typically not WMs but BWs –> it drives quite a few BWs hysterically nuts, probably due to the man shortage BWs experience in general. There’s also resentment there that a successful black man will “trade up” to a white girl (Kanye gets this dig in at the end of Golddigger, too — yet another meme he swipes with that song) — and a fear coupled with that. The main objectors to the WM/AW pairing are WWs, who complain about WMs having an “Asian fetish”, or that “those WMs just can’t deal with WWs, they just want a submissive AW doormat”, which is funny because AWs are far from doormats, really. It does seem to be the case that women are more territorially threatened by out-pairing by their race’s men than men are in the reverse, and I suspect that the root of this is that men like variety, whereas women do not, so it’s more of a zero-sum loss for women than it is for men.

  54. dragnet says:

    “She thought Kanye would be her ticket to ultimate fame & fortune. Now divorced and desperate to wed, Kim realizes she’s been played as he refuses to propose.”

    What’s most incredible about this sentence is how the transactional nature of their relationship is completely laid bare. There is no pretense here, just raw exploitation and naked, emotional appeals to “man up”. Women these days aren’t even shy about the fact that they are using men–they seem to just think it’s their birthright.

    Also, Kardashian is already famous and extremely wealthy. I’m not sure what having a “ticket to ultimate fame & fortune” really means in this context.

    “The interesting thing is that Kanye West must have known what he was getting into with KK, but did it anyway. I suppose that’s because she is rich enough as she is, she isn’t really a Gold-Digger but more of an attention seeker, and the publicity is good for him as well. Even with the CS payments, Kanye is a very, very rich guy, so the impact isn’t really there to the same degree as it would be for a normal guy.”

    I agree with this. I think Kanye probably doesn’t care about the child support–it’s not going to dent his prodigious wealth.

    I think he wanted a son and he wanted it in the popular girl’s womb. For a guy with that much fame and cash who wanted a pop-culture royalty son, CS is just the cost of doing business. The palpable outrage is mostly because women are figuring out that he was a little better at using her than she was at using him.

  55. alcestiseshtemoa says:

    I seem to come across these sentiments a lot on the internet, but there doesn’t seem to be a lot said when the IR relationship involves a white man dating or married to a black woman.

    The most common interracial pairing for White men is either Asian women or certain Latinas (South American women). It’s difficult because African women are unattractive not just to European men but to certain Asian men as well. It’s not just the outer appearance which some dislike, but their personalities too. Africa is feminine imperative central (I’m not joking).

    That’s what happens when women rule and explains some part of the dysfunction in those societies. The whole idea that African societies are patriarchal/sexist is distorted and a big perpetuated myth. In reality, they’re matriarchal (soft egalitarian). Liberals have this idea of the “noble savage” and they idolize grass hut matriarchies/soft egalitarianism.

    Where I come from (which is a country a little below West Africa), African women with foreign men is the common interracial pairing, despite interracial couples being rare, but (and I mean a huge but) these women are:

    A – Either cute or pretty and thin (not fat, never obese). Either West African or East African, because South African women aren’t even touched with a pole (worse among both inner and outer beauty) and North African women are Muslim (religion is incompatible, so no going there).

    B – From a solid good family and work part-time (think middle class to upper class).

    C – Wonderful in their personalities. They’re not bitchy, harpies, nor whine nor are they hateful. They’re different and exceptions.

    D – Roman Catholic (or a mixture between RCC and tribal stuff). They’re sufficiently Latinized. Whether it be from Portuguese or French, they’re just more culturally Latin. They act like South American women and speak Portuguese/French, but look African.

    But I must repeat that these couples are about 1-3% of the population in most countries here, and (surprise, surprise) either elite themselves or around the elite. They’re elite couples in Africa and don’t like to be seen. They don’t usually divorce and have children above replacement level (2-4 children on average).

  56. sunshinemary says:

    Kanye and Kim are, of course, not going to suffer any consequences from this because of their wealth and fame. The problem is that they normalize trashy, destructive behavior, making it look glamorous even. It doesn’t work out nearly so well when po’ folks try this.

  57. Ton says:

    Authentic masculinity like Ulysses has been outlawed. Now we are required by law to be good little rabbits and wait for other men to show up.

    Fuck the law.

  58. greyghost says:

    Right on Ton it is the law. laws of misandry. Men are pussies at gun point.

  59. Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM) says:

    I hope that many of you can see
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    and Honor
    and God
    and Moses
    and Jesus
    as they try to slip
    their tiny churchian cockaz
    into your future wive’s bunghole
    and then into
    your own.

    I am compilning a list of the good churchians
    who have spoken out against Moses and Jesus
    who have spoken out against Homer and Honor
    for I would like to interview them all
    for an upcoming blog post
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    all their Rage and Anger
    against God and Man (not Cod and Man lzozzlzo)
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  60. What’s most incredible about this sentence is how the transactional nature of their relationship is completely laid bare. There is no pretense here, just raw exploitation and naked, emotional appeals to “man up”. Women these days aren’t even shy about the fact that they are using men–they seem to just think it’s their birthright.

    Well, historically it used to be true that if a man got a woman pregnant, he was expected to marry her, even if shotguns were required. So in a way, she’s trying to impose old-fashioned values here — you know, the kind of values that her kind of people have spent the last few decades laughing at and stomping out of the culture. They wanted a world where women could decide whether, when, and for how long to let men be husbands and fathers. Apparently it never occurred to them that a man might occasionally beat them to the punch.

    In my perfect world, a man who knocked up a woman would marry her. But by the same token, a woman who got knocked up would marry the man and stay married to him at least until the children were raised — even if it turns out she got knocked up by an unemployed loser while she was drunk one night. What’s good for the gander is good for the goose. I don’t think many women would take that deal, because they’re much more likely to deny a man marriage and fatherhood than they are to demand it.

  61. Mark Minter says:

    This is just soooo not true.

    InTouch has always had it out for Kim. They always print lies lies lies about her just so people would read their magazine.

    Who are these “sources” they refer to? Liars.

    Because Kanye sooo luvs luvs luvs Kim and he is going to marry her. You’ll see and then all of you will look soooo stupid. You just watch and see.

    It wasn’t Kanye’s fault that she was married to that other loser that didn’t know how to make Kim happy. That other loser didn’t know how to be with a strong and independent woman like her. He just couldn’t handle her success. He was just trying to make Kim suffer just because she left him when she discovered, tooo late, that he is such a loser. He was just after Kim’s money anyway. It’s his fault that Kim and Kanye aren’t married right now because he was so inconsiderate to drag out the divorce just to embarrass Kim.

    But now, you’ll see. Kanye loves Kim. And he’ll do the right thing. You’ll see.

    And even if he doesn’t, a strong and independent woman like Kim doesn’t need a man to raise a child.

  62. Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM) says:

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    Ye can show the world why it is that the West and the Church are declining, and why your future potential wives have been desouled and buttcockedz zlozzolzlozzo. Come one, come all ye Chruchians, and sentence Socrates to death all over again, as yer Fathers did back then.

    29 Woe unto you, scribes, Churchians, and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
    30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
    31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
    32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
    33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
    34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

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    Like Odysseus’s son Telemachus you came of age in a house occupied by false suitors trying to buttehxt your mom Penelope alongside your future wife, deosuling her faster than Bill Bennett can gamble away a million dollars in Vegas. You came of age in a home absent of your true Father–Odysseus and THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN.

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    But all of that was then, and This is Now.

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    Begin today, begin today, all ye fanboyz mashing buttonz in your single-mom’s basements, all you PUA artsitsz trying to get your occkas wet in sterile bungholez and sterilized ginaholez made sterile by the fed’s before and morning after pillz. Begin today, all my fatherless, ritalin-addicted, gold-farming sons and READ the GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN.

    Learn of the HONOR of your FATHERS form Achilles and Moses on down. The tiny-cckcoaaks white-knighting Churchians will scowl and stamp their feet and scream at you that Jesus cam to Abolish the Law, while Jesus himself stated that He came to Fulfill it.

    When you were a child ye partook in childish things–in mashing buttons in your meaningless videogamez.

    But now that you are a Man, it is time to Man Up, which does not mean marrying a babebrnekified beenrnakified butethxted, desouled, single monz, but reading THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN.

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    I propose that a renaissance in the Great Books and Classics is needed so as to re-instill a more traditional Code of Honor which will enrich the lives of men, women, and children, and liberate us all from the debt-financed debauchery, deconstruction, and debasement.

    All men should begin immediately by reading the following books which the central bankers and their fellow churchians hate, fear, and detest:

    0. THE BIBLE
    1. Homer’s Iliad
    2. Homer’s Odyssey
    3. Exodus & Ecclesiastes & The Psalms
    4. Virgil’s Aeneid
    5. Socrates’ Apology
    6. The Book of Matthew & Jefferson’s Bible
    7. Plato’s Repulic
    8. Seneca’s Letters from a Stoic
    9. Aristotle’s Poetics
    10. Dante’s Inferno
    11. The Declaration of Independence
    12. The Constitution
    13. John Milton’s Paradise Lost
    14. Shakespeare’s Hamlet
    15. Newton’s Principia
    16. Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations and Theory of Moral Sentiments
    17. Henry David Thoreau’s Walden
    18. Mark Twain’s Huckleberry Finn (& all of his work)
    19. Shakespeare’s Hamlet
    20. Ludwig von Mises’ A Theory of Money and Credit
    21. F.A. Hayek’s The Road to Serfdom
    22. Herman Melville’s Moby Dick
    23. Einstein’s The Meaning of Relativity
    24. Joseph Campbell’s The Hero With a Thousand Faces and The Power of Myth
    25. Ron Paul’s Revolution & End the Fed
    26. THE BIBLE

    And as men are reading the Great Books for Men, they must start enacting their principles in the living world, so as to exalt our legal system and universities, for it is not enough to think and read, but virtue is ultimately defined by *action*.

  63. dragnet says:

    @ Cali

    “They wanted a world where women could decide whether, when, and for how long to let men be husbands and fathers. Apparently it never occurred to them that a man might occasionally beat them to the punch.”

    Quite right. I’m just surprised that this is being expressed so openly. Usually the feminine imperative is expressed in far more convert ways—but here all pretense is dropped.

    It’s also worth noting that the only real victim here is their child—I’ll bet dollars to donuts the little guy is going to receive absolutely horrid parenting.

  64. deti says:

    “I’m just curious to know how about the types of perceptions surrounding these types of interracial relationships?”

    In addition to what everyone else has said, WM/BW pairings are very, very rare I think because of two main factors:

    1. White men won’t date black women unless they’re sufficiently physically attractive and there is a dearth of sufficiently attractive non-overweight black women; and
    2. Most white men don’t want to try to overcome the cultural differences. Most white men and black women don’t move in the same social circles and just don’t have opportunity to meet each other.

  65. Novaseeker says:

    But I must repeat that these couples are about 1-3% of the population in most countries here, and (surprise, surprise) either elite themselves or around the elite. They’re elite couples in Africa and don’t like to be seen. They don’t usually divorce and have children above replacement level (2-4 children on average).

    Interesting.

    In the US it’s quite different because the relationship between blacks and whites here is tinged by slavery history and so on, with WMs sees as the ex-slavers (or beneficiaries of “privilege” as being white men from the social system set up by slavery and Jim Crow and so on). So a BM/WW pairing is seen as subversive from the WW point of view (the WWs were also oppressed by the WMs, so it’s kind of a “solidarity/in-yo-face-white-boy/daddy” type of thing), while a BW/WM pairing is seen as a racial betrayal from the BW point of view (selling out to the WM, the cracka, etc., and remembering the history of white slavers who bred their black female slaves and so on). Of course, BMs are also seen as race traitors for out-dating by BWs, but they don’t see *themselves* as race traitors for doing so. The politics and dynamics of it also differs by social class. I’d say that BW/WW relationships are more common among the proletariat than among the higher classes, but that they are becoming slightly more common among the very highest educated class (i.e., grad degree professionals) because there is a cultural alignment there based on education level.

  66. Novaseeker says:

    “BM/WW relationships are more common among the lower classes” … not talking about lesbians here! Too many shorthands, I think.

  67. Random Angeleno says:

    @Luke
    Like Sonny and Cher’s ex-daughter “Chaz”, the transsexual? Talk about someone that should just have been humanely put down…

    As a Catholic, I wouldn’t say that. But it is often someone’s purpose in life to be an example to others, whether for good or bad. As in there goes an example of bad parenting, etc…

    @deti, Novaseeker, et al discussing interracial pairings
    My own observations re black women as I’ve gone out with a few: some of them are pretty good from a personality point of view, but they tend to weigh more, obesity hits them harder and that makes them less attractive in general. But the attractive ones routinely get hit on by all races of men wherever I’ve gone. So the cultural barrier is not that big a deal in casual social interactions anymore, only assumes importance when considering LTR’s and/or marriage. One should check out the internet flame wars between black men and women sometime, you’ll get some different takes on red pill/blue pill.

  68. retrophoebia says:

    This reminds me of fractals. Fractal shapes are self-similar–that is, the same up close as from afar (thanks, Wikipedia). This single social episode is representative of the same social issues that women are encountering at large. The pattern repeats itself. A woman refuses to be worthy of marriage, spends her time chasing the wrong man with full knowledge that this is what she’s doing, and is surprised–nay, victimized, used!–when she is not married by the man she elected to spend her time and relationship capital on. KK is an embodiment, an avatar, or maybe more of a mirror that shows so many women the consequences of their behavior. For those who have done similar things, it rings true and hurts. They are the gallery that howls the loudest. For those with those choices ahead, she serves as a warning. I hope they pay attention.

  69. It really is sad, how it just seems like “one of those things,” where if a white girl goes for black guys–she’s trashy. Just like KK there. Or for me–I had a beautiful classmate at college, solid 8, and she was the sort that posts Bible verses on her facebook, talks about how important her relationship with God is, etc. I went out with her, then found out she was still hung up on her black ex-boyfriend (who had gotten her to be a frequent booty call after they broke up) and that she had a bad rep around school because she blew a married Egyptian guy in a parking lot…

  70. @archerwfisher:

    It’s sad but not at all surprising. I always tell the manosphere skeptics that if nothing else the ‘sphere will give you powerful reminders that the only woman in human history to be free from all sin was the Blessed Virgin Mary.

  71. Martian Bachelor says:

    Did everybody hear? 82 yo famed money maker Warren Buffet is now on tweeter. One of his first twits was about how important it is for us to start milking our women to their fullest potential. Or something like that; longer piece to follow in some buziness publication.

    He should offer KK a real job so we can see what she’s really capable of other than ass wiggling and yapping. I’m sure with a little mentoring she could be a pillar of strength in the public community, though I will give her credit for making Snooki look like a model citizen.

  72. Amirantes says:
  73. mackPUA says:

    @archerwfisher

    Yep, for most christian women, a relationship with god means blowing a married Egyptian guy in a parking lot …

    Womens inability to rationalise something as simple as the bible, without a man, pretty much proves how batshit women are without a patriarchy of men to teach them shit …

    Which is why most convents & nunneries were in fact whore-houses & rife with lesbianism .. still are …

    Women without strong men to submit, will always turn into whores to find a strong man … or turn into lesbians when they cant … or when they run out of lesbians they turn into single moms …

    Ironically not even used up single moms want a beta, proving how anti-civilisation & anti-survival most women are … they’d rather live poor & destitute then marry a beta …

    Single moms = no survival skills whatsoever … welfare & child support pretty much neuters a womans sense of survival instinct …

    KT Tara on selective traditionalism …

  74. mackPUA says:

    “woman like Kim doesn’t need a man to raise a child.”

    Fun fact …kids & babies, hate & literally loath being raised by women …

    I’ve seen so many 1 year old toddlers, literally pissed off at their retarded single mother’s none-existent maternal instincts …

    Pissed off 1 yr old toddlers are a staple in single mother home’s …

    If you want to see a pissed off 1 year old, peering through his cot, as 12 in the after-noon, as his retarded mother doesnt have the maternal instinct to know he hates the cot …

    I’ve never seen a pissed off 1 year old toddler, outside of a single mother

    Single moms houses are a travesty of zero instincts & zero parenting

    Its like walking into a frat party of baby rabies, gone wild …

  75. mackPUA says:

    “It was hilarious how all the black women in the audience cooed over the white man (sort of a Fabio wannabe, as I recall) who was married to a black woman”

    Yep women cant stand black men trading up to white women …

    Women cant stand men trading up to technology & an advanced society, which is why we have feminism

    Women cant stand seeing men trading up, to everything from technology to a better civil society

    More technology & a civilised society = less alphas for them to slut around with …

    Womens need to slut around with alpha’s, pretty much prevents women from participating in a technologically advanced society …

  76. Ton says:

    As a racists White man who dates Black girls the difference as I see it is… White chicks who date Black guys are fucked in the head 8 out of 10 times. Often they are very hostile toward White men in all regards. They rarely date decent Black guys but go after thugs and other spawns of Black dysfunction. Then when it predictably crashes and burns, they want some nice Beta White guy to rescue them and raise their thug spawn.

    When a Black girl steps out, she almost always has her shit together, often very pretty, height weight proportional etc etc.

    I think that’s were the difference lays

    Were does the Bible say Marry was without? IF anyone was without sin, then all could be without sin and there would have been no call for Christ to pay our share

  77. infowarrior1 says:

    @Beefy Levinson

    Gotta say I disagree with you:

    Proverbs 20:9
    Who can say, “I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin”?

    Ecclesiastes 7:20
    Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous, no one who does what is right and never sins

    This sinlessness only appears to apply to Jesus as far as the bible is concerned:

    Hebrews 4:15
    15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.

    1 Peter 2:22
    22 He committed no sin, neither was deceit found in his mouth.

  78. “She served a purpose for him … Kim used to be so desirable that every guy wanted to fuck her. But now he’s over it,” the insider claimed.

    Fixed.

  79. In review of Kim Kardashian – she is not all that imo….

  80. Perspective says:

    @Ton
    “As a racists White man who dates Black girls the difference as I see it is… White chicks who date Black guys are fucked in the head 8 out of 10 times. Often they are very hostile toward White men in all regards. They rarely date decent Black guys but go after thugs and other spawns of Black dysfunction. Then when it predictably crashes and burns, they want some nice Beta White guy to rescue them and raise their thug spawn.

    When a Black girl steps out, she almost always has her shit together, often very pretty, height weight proportional etc etc. ”

    Interesting post. Not to go too much off topic, but I’m curious to know more about the dynamic between racist white men who date non-white women. Why would a man who identifies as racist want to date out of his race? Is there a perception that non-white women are easy? And even though he may be attracted to her and admire her traits, at the back of his mind, will he always regard her as inferior, or she seen as an exception? How is it different when he dates a white girl?

    As for the perceptions of white women dating or married to black men, do the perceptions of these relationships change when they both share the same faith? What about when the couple is married, refrained from premarital sex, and the husband is educated, successful, and takes good care of his wife and children? Are any of these factors taken into account? Or does it really all come down to race?

  81. 8oxer says:

    I continue to be amazed at the men who willingly fall into the snatches of this lunatic. Does Kanye West, who could have his pick of thousands of (ahem) more discreet, less whorish, better behaved, etc. women, really want this third-rate headcase to raise his child? What, exactly, will little Johnny or Janie learn from Kim?

    Sure, she’s kinda hot, but she’s not exactly mother-of-the-year material. What would cause such a man, one who has the brains and determination to build a successful career, to fail so badly? Did he think she was telling the truth when she said she was on the pill? Did he want her to birth and raise his kid? Either way, he’s condemned his own blood to a world of dysfunction and a very hard time.

    Have to disagree with the people who remark that “at least the kid will have money” etc. I’d much rather have a kid in a modest, or even poor environment, with a more grounded family intact for support, than to have this trashy cunt influence him/her. That kid’s life is going to be hell.

  82. Ton says:

    It’s a lame joke that apparently crashed and burned. Folks call you racist if you want to end affirmative action, end welfare, don’t care for most of Black culture and blame black dysfunction on Blacks. The word has as much meaning as misogynist does, it’s just a term folks throw at you when they are losing the argument.

    I have one Black friend and he is married to a White woman. Long term, mostly stable. They also share/ helped form my assessment of the typical BM/ WW relationship. Mostly it doesn’t come from a good place, on either end.

  83. Kate says:

    He was used. http://eradica.wordpress.com/?s=Manosphere+on+Fire

    Is there any evidence that she expected him to marry her? Afterall, her sister Kourtney has not married her “babydaddy.” I stopped watching any cable this fall when Providence cancelled the free cable I was getting. The Disney channel has a really wicked programming technique that gets kids caught up in a cycle of shows so that they will sit and watch them endlessly. I was getting into too many arguments with my daughter as she always wanted to watch just one more. So, I’m not up to date on any of this drama anymore. But, eventually, poor actions catch up with a person. Kim K may now be discovering that.

  84. minuteman says:

    reply to Deti re inter racial relationships.

    It is not the same everywhere. I was in Paris about a decade ago and saw quite a few inter racial couples and was struck by the fact that they were almost always black female, white male. There are probably a lot of reasons for this, but it is worth noting the difference.

  85. greyghost says:

    Minuteman
    American blacks are unique in the world. If your impression of what to expect when meeting a black person anywhere in the world was from growing up in america you will be shocked.

  86. Opus says:

    I have dated no less than four black women and the funny thing is I just could not do it – something, I know not what, at the last minute put me off – oh I like the thrill of the chase, the conquest, the pleading (hers), the flaunting (ditto). Now, men are not supposed to be that way, and when it is on a plate they are supposed to lap it up, but I couldn’t. I once got chased by a Chinese girl, and with the same non-consequences. It must be biological. It is only more recently that I have attempted to understand my last minute revulsion. I also have a feeling of disgust when I see Black men with White women. There is no more point criticising me for this than there is in criticising me for my vomit-inducing dislike of Mince or Gooseberry Fool.

  87. Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM) says:

    This is why Chruchianz hate Homer and luv lub lub buttehxt:

  88. b-166-er says:

    “I’m curious to know more about the dynamic between racist white men who date non-white women. Why would a man who identifies as racist want to date out of his race?”
    —————————————————————————————————–
    There is nothing new or unique about this phenomenon except maybe the rational racist white men use to get around their hypocrisy which goes like this:

    “Folks call you racist if you want to end affirmative action, end welfare, don’t care for most of Black culture and blame black dysfunction on Blacks. The word has as much meaning as misogynist does, it’s just a term folks throw at you when they are losing the argument.”

    Do you see the equivacation?

    He didn’t say anything a black person would not say. Who you will have sex with is no indicator of your will and/or ability to practice racism because the sexual force is very strong. A better measure is to study how a person interacts with the opposite sex of another race.

    I have known lots of white females who claim they love black men (including telling me what white people say when Im not around) but they have no black female friends. For example, the white female who helps you at work so you can get your promotion/raise…

    She didn’t help any of the black females?

    and they been there longer than you.

    In addition, lots of black females know that although white men will fuck them, they won’t marry them or even take them to a family function. Its not discussed, but most black girls know that getting your “I fucked a black girl merit badge” is a sexual right of passage for white men.

    *your not a man until you spit some dark oak*

  89. b-166-er says:

    oops, thats a typo, I meant “same sex of another race”

    A better measure is to study how a person interacts with the SAME sex of another race.

  90. Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM) says:

    where did all teh churchianz go who were just hating on Homer and Moses and Jesus and Scorates?

    just yesterday lots of churchainz were raging and seething against the FATHERS of WESTERN CIVILIZATION even as their own fathers were getting kicked out of their homes, their future wives were being buttcocked and desouled, and their sons being seized from them and drugged up and dumbed down.

    with all the barbaric assualts on their manhood and the manhood of their fathers, brothers, and sons, i was rather amazed to witness so many churchians both not even caring, and expending o much energy attacking the FATHER of their FREEDOMS–THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN.

    then i relaized that many of them must have been butthexted–both physically and spiritaully–and that they now craved buttehxt more than TRUTH, BEAUTY, AND FREEDOM.

  91. Höllenhund says:

    “Does Kanye West, who could have his pick of thousands of (ahem) more discreet, less whorish, better behaved, etc. women, really want this third-rate headcase to raise his child?”

    I don’t think he cares that much about the future of that particular child. My educated guess is that he hanged out with KK because he craves fame and attention. A functional relationship with her would be a status marker for him, so to speak. It’d be good for business, really. But KK is apparently a psychological mess.

  92. Buck says:

    b-166-er says:
    May 5, 2013 at 10:16 am
    “Its not discussed, but most black girls know that getting your “I fucked a black girl merit badge” is a sexual right of passage for white men.
    *your not a man until you spit some dark oak*”

    Not only is it not discussed, I’ve never heard of this “right of passage” much less ever seen it implemented.
    Most of the black guys I know who bang white women tell me it’s about revenge, they simply love deflowering white women….that and they say white women are incredibly easy to bed, just say, “oh I get it, it’s because I’m black” (translation…you’re racist)…they tell me it works every time!

  93. Ras Al Ghul says:

    There is no “fucked a black girl merit badge”, other than collecting flags ala roosh and that’s based on country. I think this may in fact be projection of the way black men view white women.

    The few WM/BW pairs I have seen were committed relationships. I suppose I wouldn’t know of the “down low” shit but I’ve never heard men talk about it and I’ve known plenty of white women that have tried to keep their trysts with black men secret and haven’t been able to. So either the white guys and black women are way sneakier than bm and ww, or this isn’t happening.

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    that jesus came to abolish the law
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    and the heoric, homeric CODE OF HONOR
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  95. thwack says:

    Im not trying to offend anyone, but the black female is considered a more sexually aggressive, and often “potent” creature for a reason; it is what it is…

    The ability to sexually satisfy one is considered a masculine qualification. This is why the older white man, younger black woman couple is one of the more visible black female white male sexual relationships. And older white male will “peacock” a younger black female because it makes a statement about HIS virility; “Im 62 and I got a hot black woman, so you know Im firing on all cylinders…”
    BTW, that line about splitting dark oak is from the movie “Monster Ball”.

    But I think Patrice Oneal best describes the phenomenon:

  96. Martian Bachelor says:

    @Mack

    Hey, you’ve stumbled into the deeply devolved truth about “Game”: If you act like a dumbshit, they’ll treat you as an equal.

    Corollary: If you act as an equal, they’ll treat you like a dumbshit!

  97. an observer says:

    years and years of the Sunday morning slutwalks that desensitized me

    Priceless.

  98. Perspective says:

    @b-1
    “Who you will have sex with is no indicator of your will and/or ability to practice racism because the sexual force is very strong. A better measure is to study how a person interacts with the opposite sex of another race.”

    This can be true, but he never actually said he sleeps with black women, he just said that he dates them. Dating is not necessarily synonymous with having sex, especially on a blog like this where many unmarried people have (or did) refrain from sex from until marriage. That’s why I wondered why a self-described racist white man would want to date-which usually entails spending time with someone and being seen in public with them,non white women.

  99. tz2026 says:

    Miss, used.

    Pray for them both. At least she didn’t have an abortion.

    The main-stream-wide-road churchian media are shocked! shocked! that pagans are acting pagan! But mostly that the cad won’t marry the slut.

    You cannot heal evil either by condemnation but it is worse when you pull punches.

    (At least it’s not Lady Gaga – “The bride wore white … meat”).

    Bread and circuses – EBT cards and a circular path that makes no progress.

  100. Ton says:

    It’s amusing reading folks bullshit about you, and your intentions when they know fuck all about how you live, and who you loved. The Black girls I dated, dated White men because they felt White men are more marriage minded and made for better boyfriends. Cannot say that is true, or even true of Black women in general but it seems like when a woman who dates out of her race are done with the men of their race, whatever that might be

  101. Perspective says:

    @Ton

    I’m not sure if your comment was directed towards any of my posts, but if it was, my apologies if anything I wrote offended you as that was not my intention. You’re right, neither I, or anyone else knows anything about how you live or who you loved, which is why I asked you to elaborate a little more on your previous post about interracial dating. I meant it when I said I found it interesting, but I was also just a bit confused that you called yourself a “racist white man” but then said you how you date black women. In a subsequent post of yours you said “it was lame joke that crashed and burned,” but you then said “folks call you racist if you want to end affirmative action, end welfare, don’t care for most of Black culture and blame black dysfunction on Blacks.The word has as much meaning as misogynist does, it’s just a term folks throw at you when they are losing the argument.” Those comment left me wondering how an IR relationship would work when one person in the IR pair says they mostly “don’t care” for the other’s culture (and culture is often an integral part of one’s identity) and if one partner wants to “end affirmative action” and that they “blame black dysfunction on Blacks.” I can’t help but think the dynamic of that kind of relationship would be complex, with intricacies I don’t really understand, hence my reason for asking you about it.

  102. Were does the Bible say Marry was without? IF anyone was without sin, then all could be without sin and there would have been no call for Christ to pay our share

    God isn’t limited by the dimension of time. Christ’s sacrifice is timeless and makes redemption available to all men past, present, and future, and (according to Catholic teaching) was applied to Mary at her conception. (God’s existence outside time also explains how He could know she would say yes, while still allowing her to have free will. If that seems like a paradox, watch more Star Trek.) If it didn’t extend to the past, not only could there have been no pure vessel in which He could be born, but Old Testament saints like Moses and Elijah could not be saved — which would make gospel scenes like the Transfiguration a bit problematic.

  103. Ton says:

    Not you brother, like I said bad joke and all. Your questions were relevant regarding a poorly written statement. We talk about the female imperative, but many blacks have their own imperative, which is blame it all on Whitey. An attitude completely lacking in the Black women I have dated, lacking in my one Black friend and in the actual Black Africans I have meet. Someone said american Blacks, and Blacks from the rest of the world are not alike and I have to agree.

    The Black women I dated also didn’t much care for Black culture which is why they date White men. Basically we were in agreement on most things on this topic, with the women being more critical then me. They did not see a racist behind every tree like feminist see rapists behind every tree.

    Regarding Black co-workers, I have none to speak of. Not sure why Blacks don’t go into the scout/ sniper business, but that’s on them. Don’t see to many at the range during my off hours, or at power-lifting meets either. The only Black man I’ve seen at bluegrass festivals is the man I’m already close to. All of which I know makes me a.racists in the eyes of those operating under the Black imperative

    None of that is in the Bible Cail. Catholics might believe those things, and I am sure have a good, long ass argument for it, but there is no verse in the Bible saying Marry was without sin.

  104. b-166-er says:

    What does God look like?

    What?

    Say what again! I dare you, I double dare you MF!

    He’s…he’s big?

    Go on…

    He’s black?

    Does he look like a b—h?

    What?

    POW!

  105. greyghost says:

    Ton you seem like the kind of guy I coould get along with. This subject generates a lot of stupid emotions. I could tell you were just making conversation and it is getting a life of all of this deep thought that makes no sense. Pussy is pussy and if it comes available and makes your dick hard fuck it . Black white asian no matter. I was marine airwing avionics technician and I’m also a gun guy. we would get along.
    BTW american black culture is bullshit. Too many black men are throwing their lives away trying to live up to that shit. As an avionics guy and a robot technician I would be the only black guy or one of 2 or 3 in the building.

  106. Ton says:

    LOl, never meet you Greyghost, but knew you were not the type. If your ever in Kandahar or NC, let me know and I’ll buy the 1st round.

    Robot… bad ass. Makes up for being a Marine…

    Oh I like sex, but honestly I like dating. I enjoy the company of women despite not being under any illusion about them. As a rule, I date and sleep with women who’s company I enjoy even when our clothes are on. I’ve dated a number of women, not done the PUA thing very often, and the ONS I’ve enjoyed were one night only by here choice

  107. infowarrior1 says:

    @Cail Corishev
    If a person is saved by faith(Acts 16:31). That would have to imply that the child believed in the womb which is impossible as the child is not conscious. And since sin came through adam(1 Corinthians 6:21) then the sin nature passes from the paternal line to his children a virgin woman giving birth would not pass that stain of original sin to the child. And since the conception is supernatural in nature wouldn’t that in itself also stop the passage of original sin? Just like Jesus ends up not defiling himself but “undefiles” the lepers as a result of his divine nature.

    The instances in the bible when god does immediately destroys the sinner. Is when the “Name” of god is manifest in the midst of the Israelites. Or when he landed on mount Sinai. Because the manifestation of his glory demands greater accountability of the israelites.

  108. greyghost says:

    . I’m actually married with 3 kids. I never really liked dating and womens company. I did like having a woman around for sex. So time with women to me is work. Maybe because I felt obligated to treat them well. In my young man days I would go out and pull and stay with the same chick. I never dated I would have sex with the chick the first night I met her. That chick was a girl friend. Met the wife the same way but I held off on her for a few days. I was never a ladies man because I would go long periods single with nobody. (mgtow would be no problem for me)
    I see you mentioned scout sniper. I would like to ask you if you have ever fired or are familiar with the M76. An AK type sniper rifle from Yugoslavia (serbia) chambered in 8mm mauser. I would like to know what kind of accuracy you could get from that. Also have you done anything with 300 blackout

  109. greyghost says:

    That last was a reply to Ton

  110. Perspective says:

    @Ton
    “Not you brother, like I said bad joke and all. Your questions were relevant regarding a poorly written statement.”

    Glad you weren’t referring to me, but just for the record, I carry the xx chromosome (yes, I’ve a keen interest in the sciences🙂 Lol, I guess Perspective doesn’t sound blatantly feminine, so can’t blame you if you were thrown for a loop, but in any case, just thought I’d clear that up. Cheers

  111. Ton says:

    Sorry bro, no info on either. I used the Remington 700 in .308, a tuned up M14 and the Barrett. We don’t use much else, the logistical footprint is already huge. I’ll ask some of the SF dudes I know.

    I go my way, women I like are free to join the ride on my terms or get off at the 1st exist. I am as happy with a woman in my life as I am without.

    Congrats on the three kids. I always wanted more but life doesn’t go our way

  112. Ton says:

    Lol, A woman asked a rational question… sumbeach.

    Thanks for the info darling

  113. robert says:

    @b-166-er I have known lots of white females who claim they love black men (including telling me what white people say when Im not around) but they have no black female friends. For example, the white female who helps you at work so you can get your promotion/raise…
    She didn’t help any of the black females?

    I guess the White Women is thinking the same thing of you. I didn’t see him help any White Males? How come he never helped them with their promotion. He doesn’t even have any White Male friends.
    Being a White Male, if I was to date a Black Woman should I ask if she has any white girlfriends. What kind of plantation logic do you have?

  114. Perspective says:

    “Lol, A woman asked a rational question… sumbeach.”

    Lol, yeah, aint it something? Forgive me if I sound terribly not with it, but what’s sumbeach? (a curious one I am,lol)

    “Thanks for the info darling”
    Not a problem:)

  115. robert says:

    @Ton
    Actually that wasn’t a bad joke. It was sarcasm, and I got right away. The comments were dead on accurate, about some opinions people don’t like being labeled racist to shut up dialog.

  116. Ton says:

    It’s son of a bitch, darling, all ran together with no actual cursing

  117. infowarrior1 says:

    @Perspective

    Is it a coincidence that many here are doing STEM(Including myself)?

    No ordinary woman ends up here.

  118. Nomansland says:

    Kim Kardashian behaves like a spoiled little brat.

    Only her fleeting beauty was desirable, everything else about her is an enormous turnoff.

    Once her beauty fades, all you have is a worn out old gunny sack.

  119. mackPUA says:

    The modern face of Churchian women … slutty teenage white women who’ve swallowed the bullshit of radical feminism …

  120. Ton says:

    The 300 blackout is good to go, but no one says they’ve used it as a duty rifle. I do not recommend Soviet block stuff for precision, long distance, direct fire, target interdiction fun. No one I respect has set me straight on the matter. However, that doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be fun to own one, or that it’s a bad weapon.

    I don’t know what 7.62x 35 ammo runs, but I’d imagine quality hunting ammo in an AR 15 would get the job done for a lot less money. Maybe Dalrock can help us exchange email info and I’ll help you out on any firearm question I can.

  121. 8oxer says:

    I’ve dated black chicks here and there. There is no “bang a black chick merit badge” — though if a white brother comes from a racist family he might consider it a personal way to transcend the conditioning. The black chicks I’ve dated have been hot, or interesting to me personally. I have found that all the chicks I’ve fallen in love with have been a certain type. Usually long legs and long dark hair. White, black, asian doesn’t matter so much as this to me. I don’t usually stick around with blondes or redheads. It’s subconscious and I can’t explain it.

    It is a myth that one ethnic group produces “better” women than the rest. Many in these circles say as much about Asian women. One group might express their collective goals a bit differently, but I’ve found at the root, all women, of all races, want the same thing: to live life at the expense of men. So a black chick might want to spend your money on expensive nail and hair treatments, and a white chick might want into your bank account to buy herself a designer purse, but in the end, you’re paying either way.

  122. mackPUA says:

    Another chick reciting the vagina monologues …

    Scroll to 1:30 try & keep your lunch your down, as she tries to pass behaving like a slut as dance …

  123. LC says:

    Kim Kartrashian is pretty stupid to leave her nice husband who was tall (and god know that family needs some height in their genes), good to her, came from a good family, and played basketball for Kanye West. Funny thing is that Kanye won’t marry her, and she’s going to get back all of the bad karma she’s collected for herself throughout the years. She picked the meanest, least interested guy of all to have a child with. Her husband Kris couldn’t possibly been that unbearable. She’s just a spoilt rotten brat who’s gonna learn some hard lessons.

  124. Opus says:

    Following on from Boxer, and the lack of a Merit Badge for Dating Black Chicks put me in mind of the following – a sort of reverse racism:

    I was friendly with a guy who came from a largish family and they had either fostered or adopted a black child. My friend (a teacher) and perhaps subconsciously keen to demonstrate his anti-racist credentials, married a black girl. She was not particularily attractive and the last time I saw her she was dancing with and clearly into another woman – she had gone Lesbian. The marriage ended – childless, I am happy to say.

    I feel sorry for my friend for whichever way he went he was caught between Scylla and Charybdis – if he married a white girl that showed he was not sufficiently altruistically non-racist, if he married a black-girl, he was (effectively – let’s be honest and frank) ethnically masochistically marrying way beneath himself. Sometimes Divorce seems like the only sensible options.

  125. mackPUA says:

    Yep, a white male marrying a black chick is always thought of as marrying down …

    As black communities are typically under-educated & poor

  126. mackPUA says:

    Anyway …. I’m not a big fan of GWW, as she takes about 10 paragraphs to make a point .. lol

    GWW basically proves feminism is marxism …

    She wrote an interesting paragraph stating Feminism is Marxism popularised for women, basically feminism is marxism lite for women … even though feminism or marxism NEVER benefits men or women, or working peasants …

    Feminism is interesting it causes millions of women to die, by forcing women to take Highly Toxic Self Castrating pills, & calling it birth control …making billions of funding for nazi eugenicists, who essentially as pro-mass murderers like Bill Gates has stated PUBLICLY several times, wanting to kill 6 billion of the worlds population & reduce it to 30%

    Mass murder & wiping out entire generations of peasants, also seems to feature prominently in Marxism, communism stalin, lenin etc …

    About the only notable thing feminism & marxism has ever achieved is mass murder in the millions … feminism aborting millions of unborn babies, killed living & breathing in their own mothers wombs … marxism millions of peasants & working class men slaughtered in the millions by stalin lenin etc …

    Essentially marxism lite, couldnt get patriarchial white cultures to kill millions of their peasants & working class men … so they got the women to abort millions of their own infants, by calling it a right & birth control …

    Essentially marxists rebranded mass murder by calling it birth control …

    Anyway onto GWW post, who explains a bit about the background on how marxism & feminism are the same …

    “I will simply note that Karl Marx, in his communist manifesto, emphasized how very important women would be to any communist revolution, and that the best way to secure the support of women would be to convince them of the plural nature of their oppression–as workers, they were oppressed by the elites, and as women, they were oppressed by their husbands, fathers and even sons. ”

    In essence, he posited that if a system that respected the concept of property rights oppressed the male worker, this same system that placed economic authority in the hands of men doubly oppressed the wives and daughters of those male workers.”

  127. Perspective says:

    @Ton
    “It’s son of a bitch, darling, all ran together with no actual cursing”
    Alright, good to know:)

  128. Perspective says:

    @inforwarrior
    “Is it a coincidence that many here are doing STEM(Including myself)?”

    Could be IW, but there may just be more to it:)

    “No ordinary woman ends up here.”
    Although I don’t claim to be non ordinary, I guess I can take that as a compliment?:)

  129. Gilgamesh says:

    Women have more upward mobility than most men (half of whom earn less than 40k a year) without even fulfilling the obligations women were made to fulfill. how much longer are we going to have to watch them get paid not to do any kind of work while men put their lives on hold of decades?

  130. greyghost says:

    Off topic but this is gold. I laughed the whole read.
    http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/05/06/hamster-of-the-month-3/
    Perspective and infowarrior you two are different you can tell by the screen names. You could have used “pink panties” “IBleedandbreed” or any other name but you all have perspective and infowarrior. You two were just complimented by a very kind family man. I expect school girlish, gushing replies.

  131. an observer says:

    Women have more upward mobility than most men

    I see these women commuting.

    In their twenties, they are optimistic, bright faced and keen.
    In their thirties, they harbour doubts, a muffin top, and a slightly harried look.
    In their forties, the look hagged from long hours, being on call and ‘having it all.’

    If being upwardly mobile is defined as heavily in debt, overweight and stressed out, then let them at it.

    Liberation will take its toll.

  132. 8oxer says:

    Off topic but this is gold. I laughed the whole read.

    …Young argues that it’s probably safer to get to know a convict than to meet someone at a bar or on standard dating websites….

    LOL^1000

  133. Sexual Marxist says:

    “Not you brother, like I said bad joke and all. Your questions were relevant regarding a poorly written statement. We talk about the female imperative, but many blacks have their own imperative, which is blame it all on Whitey. An attitude completely lacking in the Black women I have dated, lacking in my one Black friend and in the actual Black Africans I have meet. Someone said american Blacks, and Blacks from the rest of the world are not alike and I have to agree.”

    American Blacks, like Americans in general, are different from the rest of the world’s peoples, who are, in turn, different from one another.

    One major difference in Americans is the gun culture. Other countries just don’t see having guns in their possession or on their person as an unalienable right. I mean, I’ve met American parents who get all hot and bothered by other parents who choose not to let their kids play with toy guns. These parents are not forcing them to throw out all of their kids’ toy guns, they just don’t allow it during play time at their own house. And the gun parents get all offended.

    Many, MANY foreign tourists from Canada to Australia to Japan and back ’round again have commented on this.

  134. Gilgamesh says:

    Not my fault if they don’t know how to manage their resources. Maybe they should have found a man to do it for them.

  135. thwack says:

    mackPUA says:
    Scroll to 1:30 try & keep your lunch your down, as she tries to pass behaving like a slut as dance.
    ————————————————————————————————————–
    In the future, if some white scientists discover that “twerkin” increases a womans fertility, would you accept its practice by women?
    You ever consider that not every problem requires a pill, or a “treatment” to correct it?

  136. tbc says:

    Re: the interracial thing… It’s extremely complicated and extremely simple. The highest rates of interracial pairing (in the US) is between Whites and Asians. The lowest rates are Asian & Blacks.

    The WM/BW dynamic in the US is pretty complicated due to the weird racial history of the US because basically white men have almost always had access to black women (or any women for that matter), while access to white women was restricted. Black men could literally be killed for looking at a white woman the wrong way. Aside from the race angle though, what this accomplished was to artificially inflate the value of ANY white woman relative to other women and created a kind of cartel. White men might be able to get sex from other women, but to get respectability, etc., they had to marry white even if they had a black mistress on the side.

    Basically, the racial system distorted the normal mating pattern which is that people tend to date/marry within their socio-economic class. So low-class white women who date interracially tend to date low-class black men. Upper class liberal white women who date interracially tend to date upper class liberal black men. Generally though people still tend to date and marry within their racial/ethnic group because of cultural similarities, tastes, etc. Class is much more the marker than race.

    By the way, I’m in the category of the lowest inter-racially married group.

  137. mackPUA says:

    @thwack

    Waving your vagina around in public like a slut doesn’t increase a woman’s fertility

    Waving your vagina in a mans face has nothing to do with something as noble & traditional as tribal dance

    Black culture & fads like black women waving their vaginas around are all indicators of how far black slutty women dominate black culture today

  138. mackPUA says:

    @thwack

    How many pussy passes are you going to give black women for just being black?

    Black women’ve destroyed your communities & spit in black men’s faces at every turn, to the point where Africans bastardly children are now considered as norm

    Why don’t you African black men take a stand against the welfare whores & toxic African women destroying your communities?

    Are the pussy passes you black men give these black women worth the devastation of so many children & their families?

    We see plenty of white blogs criticising white women & white marriage

    Where’s all the outrage from the black men ?

    Black communities are literally all 80% illegitimate, where’s the call from black men & women to stop twerking & other slutty rituals black women try & pass off as African tribal dance

    When are you Africans going to stop giving each other pussy passes just for being black

    Fight back, have some goddamn morals & ethics & take back the shithole black culture has become today

    How many black infants do you want to see born to single slutty African women

    How many black infants is it going to take born without families, before you African men & women become outraged ?

    Where the hell is your sense of justice?

    This is the problem with fascist liberals & fascist professional victims like Africans

    Too busy living off the spoils of welfare & socialism & giving each other pussy passes, just for being black to have a sense of justice

    Even when they’re own black infants die abused at the hands of alcoholic African women

  139. tbc says:

    @mackpua – wow… that’s just. hmmm… I’m not sure how to even process what you said much less respond to it. But then again I didn’t watch the linked video, so I have no idea what you’re responding to from this thwack fellow.

  140. c matt says:

    None of that is in the Bible Cail. Catholics might believe those things, and I am sure have a good, long ass argument for it, but there is no verse in the Bible saying Marry was without sin.

    Well, except for that part where the angel Gabriel addresses Mary as “Hail, full of grace.”

    Can’t be “full” of grace if you got sin.

  141. 8oxer says:

    Dear TBC:

    Class is much more the marker than race.

    While I don’t disagree with your main points, there is a very noticeable phenomenon among black and white men, which men of Asian descent don’t share.

    Whenever I see a pairing of very fat/trashy/skanky woman with a fit man, it is always a black or white woman, with a black or white man. Asian men, at least in my experience, have much higher standards with regards to the women they’ll date.

    I have seen Asian men with both white and black women, and even in the case of a lower-class Asian man, I have never seen him with a big fat ugg beast in tow. The Asian man might not always get an HB9, but he’ll never go out with a sub-5. If he dates interracially, he dates a fit black or white woman who tends to be at least marginally cute.

    My white and black brethren need to take a cue from this and start denying these tattooed fatties and multiple babymamas your commitment. I see so many decent looking working class men with these huge women, and it’s a disgrace. Don’t lay down with a hippo.

    Regards, Boxer

  142. Opus says:

    That Hamster to which Boxer refers is on steroids. The reasoning goes: It is safer to date a homicidal Axe-Murderer rather than date a guy you meet at a Bar, because the guy you meet at a Bar might be a homicidal Axe Murderer, but you wouldn’t know it; so dating the known homicidal Axe Murderer is safer as you know that he is likely to kill you, whereas you couldn’t be certain that would not happen to you if you met a guy at a Bar.

  143. tbc says:

    @boxer — that’s true. Asian women in general are small-ish, and the pressure to stay thin is rather harsh at times, therefore asian men get used to that type and don’t vary from it much or at all. Black women and white women on the other hand tend to be bigger in general — even when they’re slim, and when they gain weight (a little weight, not talking landwhale territory here) it usually can be carried off much more easily. Fat asian women, even those only slightly overweight, tend to carry it in the worst possible way.

  144. John says:

    Sorry, but I must briefly interrupt with a current event newsflash: the real hero of the Cleveland kidnapping case is…(drum roll)…Amanda Berry!!! Forget that neighbor named Charles Ramsey who kicked the door down and rescued the ladies. It’s all about GIRL POWER! Yay!

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/escaped-cleveland-woman-amanda-berry-real-hero-kidnapping-141444873.html

    OK, back to the regularly scheduled comments.

  145. alcestiseshtemoa says:

    Asian men are more likely to stay within their race, but if they do date interracially, it’s usually a White woman first (whether Western European, Southern European or Eastern European, though it would be interesting to see how it would be broken down in this aspect), followed by Latinas (South American women) and that’s about it (in general, there are a couple of exceptions and anecdotes otherwise). And yes, the women they go for interracially are average/plain to high in the whole package (whether it be morals, religion, inner beauty or outer beauty). Asian men (particularly East Asian types like Chinese, Korean or Japanese) are stereotyped as effimate weakling creatures, but sometimes they do bring it on and yes, they do have some basic standards. They’re like the diamonds in the rough and buried treasures (right after white men in general) of both the SMV and MMV world but a lot of women don’t like them and some of them have low regards of themselves due to this (like thinking that they are the biggest losers of the planet…).

  146. alcestiseshtemoa says:

    I think when it comes to Asian men and Middle Eastern women, there isn’t a lot of interracial stuff going on, unless they are Muslim themselves (think Indonesian men, which are Asian).

  147. Orion says:

    I’m just curious why they continue to use what is, for them, outdated name like “Christian”. Wouldn’t “Sodom”, “Gomorrah”, “Sodom and Gomorrah”, or even “Babylon” Post be more hip and reflective of their obvious target audience? Where is the evidence to make one think that either of them is a Christian?

  148. tbc says:

    well and there is the little discussed but quite rampant race / colour prejudice among Asians generally — so much so that some will go great lengths to hide or obscure the fact that their Chinese great-grandfather was married to a Malay woman (oh the humanity!!)

  149. gdgm+ says:

    Perhaps slightly off-topic, but a… strange… “Generation Y” perspective on sex and relationships, probably NSFW: Bi-Polar Promiscuity

    I found this quite by accident, while searching for something I thought was quite unrelated (an ’80s rock band from England). But this… Eccchh!

  150. John says:

    That’s because the Chinese in S. Asian countries are always among the wealthiest and most productive. Thomas Sowell has done some interesting work on this. I have neighbors who are from Cambodia/Indonesia but are both ethnically Chinese–and they always let you know that.

  151. tbc says:

    @John — nah, its because they’re color prejudiced, that’s all. Nothing to do with wealth and productivity. (although what you said about wealth and productivity is true)

  152. alcestiseshtemoa says:

    I’m just curious why they continue to use what is, for them, outdated name like “Christian”. Wouldn’t “Sodom”, “Gomorrah”, “Sodom and Gomorrah”, or even “Babylon” Post be more hip and reflective of their obvious target audience? Where is the evidence to make one think that either of them is a Christian?

    Maybe they do it on purpose and want to confound people in general? Like the label is alright, but the content is poison and doesn’t resemble Christianity?

  153. mackPUA says:

    @tbc

    Black communities are model feminist hell holes

    Its important to remember black communities were the First to fully accept radical feminism

    Black women lapped up radical feminism, & detonated their communities, throwing black men out of their homes in the millions

    Black women are known for creating some of the worst cultures of sluttery & whoredom in the world today

    If you thought white women were bad … black women have a 40 year head start in feminism over white women

    As black women were assaulted by radical feminism in 1st wave liberalism in the 60’s, as part of the civil rights movement

    Thwack was white knighting for these two vid’s I posted

    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/she-was-used/#comment-82196

    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/she-was-used/#comment-82199

  154. mackPUA says:

    @tbc

    Theres nothing wrong with being color prejudiced or racist

    The fact it prevents asian men from marrying trashy white women, & trashy black women proves it lol

    It’s only when they add race supremacy, to naturally being proud of your country it turns into a farce lol

  155. Ton says:

    The other thing I left out darling is, often as a couple we agree to disagree. I date a lot of liberal chicks too, and it’s the norm. People of good will can respectfully disagree and understand the other person isn’t a problem to fix. Which takes a sense of personal humility

  156. tbc says:

    @Mackpua – I would differ slightly with your description. Black communities were the first to have radical feminism imposed on them via the institutional power of the state — first through the slave system which systematically undermined Black male authority in order to maintain control, later through Jim Crow which through economic means put Black men in a precarious position vis a vis their ability to ‘be the man’ and provide for the their families, and finally through the welfare ‘reforms’ which drove the nail in the coffin. Ironically, it was the last that was most deadly as you say. Through all the other two, it was ‘the black family against The Man’ — which at least nominally put the black woman on team ‘her man’ at least partially.

    The feminist inspired ‘welfare system’ that came along with so-called women’s empowerment for the first time pitted the black woman against her man. “I don’t need no man” became the rallying cry of the black woman who in fact, had been told that for 200 hundred years. And they didn’t – not with welfare payments for poor blacks and affirmative action for the middle class blacks, almost ALL of which went to women. The welfare system in fact penalized women who stood by her man. Put differently, Black women’s hypergamy was underwritten and subsidized by the state, and it has been a disaster of epic proportions.

    As for racism being ‘okay’ — I can’t agree with you on that point. If by racism you mean, ‘I’m white and I appreciate that God made me this way and gave me this particular cultural inheritance” then yeah, there’s no problem with that. But if you mean, “I’m Asian (or Black or whatever) and Asian people are superior to other people because God made it that way” then that is not okay.

  157. Ton says:

    Someone should learn about the South and not the propaganda

  158. tbc says:

    who is someone?

  159. mackPUA says:

    @tbc
    “Black communities were the first to have radical feminism imposed on them via the institutional power of the state ”

    I totally agree, it was imposed on them, but it still doesnt change the fact black women turned on black men & literally destroyed black culture in under 10 years

    Plenty of immigrants have had welfare & liberalism shoved down their throats, but none of them betrayed & stabbed their men in the back & families as violently as black women

    As for racism, im totally for racism, & being racist, but as I stated before im against race supremacy

    Race supremacy has nothing to do with race, or being proud of your country

  160. thwack says:

    tbc says:
    May 7, 2013 at 3:39 pm
    @Mackpua – I would differ slightly with your description. Black communities were the first to have radical feminism imposed on them via the institutional power of the state
    ———————————————————-
    Thank you tbc.

    Hey Mack, Im not trying to white knight black females; to the contrary, Im always the first to slam one of they heads thru a fishtank…
    For all the things black females do that annoy me, I gotta remind myself that it may be those very behaviors that were necessary for humans to survive in the begining?

    Contemporary U.S culture is far more sexualized than any primative tribe in Africa where people are often naked all the time; maybe the issue is perspective?

    Its probably better for sex to be connected to procreation like it is for a primative tribe, than for it to be connected to everything else except that, like it is in the U.S.

    If the culture is sick, should you blame the youth for their reaction to it?

  161. Z. says:

    It is a complete myth that black women en masse in the States turned their backs on loving husbands and responsible fathers. If you really think black women who were cuddling up to the warm bodies of men who loved and provided for them and their children all of a sudden kicked them out of their beds and onto the curb because some feminist promised them a welfare check at the end of the month then I’ve got some ice in Greenland to sell you.

  162. greyghost says:

    That myth sure does seem to match reality

  163. Z. says:

    “That myth sure does seem to match reality”

    Black women kicking responsible working husbands out of their beds? Uh no. The black women who accepted the welfare payouts (considerably less than what they would receive from a responsible working man) were the black women who didn’t have husbands to start with.

  164. mackPUA says:

    “If the culture is sick, should you blame the youth for their reaction to it?”

    Yes you should

    The culture can be as sick as it wants … its the mothers & fathers & the teachers who refuse to step up to the plate & tell the little shits, to stop being sluts & whores

    Its also shits like thwack who give black women pussy passes, instead of calling them the skanks & retards black women are today

    I already stated I agreed with tbc

    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/she-was-used/#comment-82261

    But the FACT IS, welfare is NO LONGER the main cause, or even any longer the root of black communities today

    IT IS THE BLACK WOMEN, who refuse to stop slutting around & whoring & behaving like drunken skanks

    It is the CULTURE of Black Women, who TRY to pass off behaving like sluts & whores, as some sort of mother africa

    UNLESS black men & black women stop seeing themselves as professional victims & start blaming & DEMANDING black women STOP WAVING THEIR VAGINAS AROUND IN CLUBS & DANCEHALLS

    Black people will NEVER be able to rebuild their communities, UNLESS THE FUTURE MOTHERS OF BLACK CHILDREN RESTORE MORALITY & ETHICS in their own lives, first

    The fact is, black women are so degenerate & sick, precisely because theyve had a 40 year headstart of radical feminism

    Sick Black women is the future of white women, black women are a warning to white women everywhere of what will happen to them, IF THEY DONT STOP emulating men & stop swallowing radical feminism horsehit

    Black women today are packs of sick degenerates, & white women are catching up FAST

  165. tbc says:

    @Z — perhaps it is better said that the welfare state is basically subsidization of female hypergamy. In other words, the women didn’t all kick good men out of their beds, but the system made it a lot easy to 1) never get married but still get provisions, 2) kick the man out if you wanted to and get cash & prizes, 3) be promiscuous without much cost (i.e. alpha f*ks & government bucks)

  166. mackPUA says:

    “black women who accepted the welfare payouts (considerably less than what they would receive from a responsible working man) were the black women who didn’t have husbands to start with.”

    Women kicked out the men, which is why they didnt have a husband to being with … seriously do you have problems with basic logic? … lmao

    Oh yea … most white knights do have problems with logic … just like the idiot skanks they white knight for …

  167. tbc says:

    and like MackPUA notes — what started in the Black community is increasingly widespread in society generally.

    It is interesting to watch racial supremacists heads explode as people see the so-called virtuous white women of myth and legend degenerate into the same slutty behaviour that was attributed to some supposed ‘defect’ in Black women. And that’s all it was; a myth. Women are women are women — no matter what race, colour, or creed. And men are men are men. The same sinful sickness infects us all and when the rails go off a civilization, you get degeneracy.

    By the way, I agree that many primitive tribes have (or had) less sexualized cultures than ours today. In fact many of them used to complain during imperialism that the westerners (supposedly Christian) were coming in and bringing corruption, loose morals, and alcoholism!

  168. infowarrior1 says:

    @tbc

    You know the white nationalists admire them “White Goddesses.” Just have a look on stormfront and other white nationalist forums.

  169. infowarrior1 says:

    I mean worship the white goddess not admire.

  170. infowarrior1 says:

    @tbc

    This is what unrestrained hypergamy turn black man into:

  171. mackPUA says:

    @tbc

    “In fact many of them used to complain during imperialism that the westerners (supposedly Christian) were coming in and bringing corruption, loose moral”

    THIS is what I love about tribalism, especially in places like india & africa

    The primitive tribes have rock solid morals & ethics, apart from the whacky religious rituals

    Black women compared to african tribes, are a bunch of degenerate parasites

    Black women are the WORST when it comes to radical feminism

    Whats even worse, is Black women are trying to force their filthy ways onto white women & their families

    You can see plenty of videos on Youtube, of african women trying to force their Slutty & Whoredom Dancing onto white women

    Which leads to thousands of stupid white teenagers dancing like sluts & whores…. ie

    Seriously if this vid doesnt piss you off, at what a shit hole Black Culture & Black women is today .. nothing will

  172. Ton says:

    I’ve been to Africa, there is n’ t much in the ways of sexual morals there either. Theory being since doesn’t take the same kind of back breaking labor to bring in crops in the tropics, there was never a need for full time masculine presences

    Not sure how one qualifies such a thing, but it makes certain kind of sense

  173. mackPUA says:

    THIS is what most people dont understand

    Racism reinforces traditional values

    If the white sluts who worship black cock in my post here … were racist they would never suck off black cock after school every day, which is the reality for these white whores …

    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/she-was-used/#comment-82288

    Racism, being proud of your white culture & traditions IS THE ANSWER

    As tbc, points out women all over the world will ALWAYS sell out their men for alpha cock, OR alpha government

    Christians are a bunch of immoral, satanic worshipping assholes

    Christians supported the corrupt catholic church which murdered & slaughtered the peasants in the millions 1700 to 1800’s

    Christians supported the hippies & feminists & corrupt government in the 70’s

    Christians today fanatically support the filthy feminists & violent police states in america

    Christians have ALWAYS been the catalyst for corruption & sluts & whores in america

    It’s PRECISELY because white men & women are no longer racist, they are no longer proud of the cultures & traditions which held them together for centuries as a white nation

    How can you have culture & tradition if you no longer value your own white culture & white traditions?

  174. mackPUA says:

    Dont you understand, the insanity & horror of PC culture is causing millions of 16 yr old white girls, to suck off black men after school?

    Dont you understand Christians sold you out to black culture, feminism & corruption?

    Racism IS THE BACKBONE, the foundation for traditions & cultural values

    Without race you CANNOT have traditional christianity

    How can you have traditionalism & morals & ethics, if you dont value & arent proud of your white culture & white traditions

    How can white people have an identity without racism to protect their white values & traditions

    Racism PROTECTS a countries traditionalism & moral values & ethics, its centuries of values by the likes of abraham lincoln & their forefathers

    Which IS WHY Asia & other countries are IMMUNE to feminism

    They stick to their STRICT RACISM & RACIST MORAL VALUES, because they KNOW the values & traditions of THEIR RACE holds their culture & social culture together

    What makes me sick about christians & catholics, is that they TRY to take credit for the values & ethics of RACISM & nationalism of white men & women

    The fact is white men & women carried on DESPITE the CORRUPTION & DEGENERACY of christianity & catholic churches for centuries

  175. 8oxer says:

    @Infowarrior: Thanks for posting that Tupac video. That was a man who knew the score.

  176. tbc says:

    ok… i’m backing slowly away…

  177. thwack says:

    Ton says:
    May 8, 2013 at 8:06 am
    I’ve been to Africa, there is n’ t much in the ways of sexual morals there either. Theory being since doesn’t take the same kind of back breaking labor to bring in crops in the tropics, there was never a need for full time masculine presences
    ————————————————————————————-
    Will you white guys please stop with the “life was easier in Africa than in Europe…” nonsense.
    You wouldn’t last 24 hours in the jungle. OK, so it don’t get cold and you don’t have winter time… but there are far more ways to be killed there; how you wanna go out?

    Lions? scorpions?, crocs? Gaboon viper with 2 inch fangs? wild dogs? rhino? mosquitoes with metal wings? Deadly Parasites, worms and bugs you can’t even pronounce…

    There is a good reason why white men stayed out of Africa for so long.

  178. thwack says:

    Seriously if this vid doesnt piss you off, at what a shit hole Black Culture & Black women is today .. nothing will
    ———————————–
    Those white girls; bless their hearts.
    LOL
    Their punishment is more about adult white insecurity than anything else.

    Let me explain something about white peoples attraction for black culture; I learned this from Paul Mooney.

    You ever go to the zoo and observe the behavior of people when they go to the monkey/chimp/gorilla exhibit?

    What do people do? The PEOPLE start hooting and hollering, jumping around acting like chimps. Why? Cause its fun to pretend to be something you are NOT.

    This is all white people are doing when they APE black culture. Its like going on a safari; no harm done.

    For all their punishment, at the end of the day these girls still know they are white persons; and you can’t take that away from them.

  179. Ton says:

    Oh no not easier, different, requiring different things to thrive.

  180. Z. says:

    Many unmarried black men abandoned the unmarried women they impregnated and failed to take responsibility for their seed. Then welfare came along.

    We can discuss why unmarried people were having sex, and that too unproteced, to begin with, and the moral implications of that, sure that’s a valid topic. But the fact remains that Black women with actual .loving, working and responsible husbands did not kick them out of bed and to the curb.

  181. anonymous says:

    Will you white guys please stop with the “life was easier in Africa than in Europe…” nonsense.
    You wouldn’t last 24 hours

    Boers.

  182. anonymous says:

    Black communities were the first to have radical feminism imposed on them via the institutional power of the state

    True, and the results are horrifiying

    first through the slave system which systematically undermined Black male authority in order to maintain control

    Didn’t work. The moment slavery was outlawed, vast numbers of blacks raced to the city halls to have their marriages legally recognized. Due to the forced breakups of marriages under slavery, blacks considered marriage a PRECIOUS FREEDOM and jumped at the chance to enter it. For most of the next century, blacks had a slightly HIGHER marriage rate than whites.

    later through Jim Crow which through economic means put Black men in a precarious position vis a vis their ability to ‘be the man’ and provide for the their families

    Didn’t work. The black family stayed strong through all that. As you noted, the persecution put the black women and black men “on the same team”, cementing rather than fracturing their unions.

    and finally through the welfare ‘reforms’

    HERE, at last, is the answer. Lyndon Johnson intentionally created dependency to get blacks to “vote Democrat for the next 200 years”.

  183. Ton says:

    Marriage was cultivated among blacks in the Old South to prompt productivity. Families were rarely broken up

    Start with the South was Right, follow the footnotes and learn. At many points, Blacks had higher marriage rates and lower rate of illegitimacy then Whites.

    You won’t do it, but folks should take all the red pills

  184. tweell says:

    Z, you are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

    Thomas Sowell states that the Great Society programs only contributed to the destruction of African American families, saying “the black family, which had survived centuries of slavery and discrimination, began rapidly disintegrating in the liberal welfare state that subsidized unwed pregnancy and changed welfare from an emergency rescue to a way of life
    http://capitalismmagazine.com/2004/08/war-on-poverty-revisited/

  185. anonymous says:

    Marriage was cultivated among blacks in the Old South to prompt productivity. Families were rarely broken up

    It only has to happen once in a while, in order to terrorize everybody. And the marriages had no legal protection.

    At many points, Blacks had higher marriage rates and lower rate of illegitimacy then Whites.

    This is true. Having been denied legal marriage in slavery, blacks craved it when free.

    Start with the South was Right, follow the footnotes and learn.

    I have no patience whatsoever for present day black misbehavior and excusemaking (which means, depending on your own vantage point, that I’m either a conservative or a “raciss”), but, there is just NO WAY that black slavery could have been morally right. Slavery in the Bible was for debt, or for prisoners of war, and the blacks neither owed white folks anything, nor had they waged war on them. Furthermore kidnapping an innnocent person and selling him into slavery was punishable, in the Bible, by DEATH, and the Israelites were also commanded NOT to return escaped slaves to their masters.

    Speaking of death penalty for unlawful enslavement:
    Slaves imported to the North American colonies:….600,000
    Soldiers killed in the US Civil War, 1861-1865………600,000

    Robert E. Lee (peace be upon him) accepted the Southern defeat as God’s verdict. Why can’t you?

  186. tbc says:

    wow… are we now to re-fight the Civil War? I hope not. By the way, no one needs to feel any obligation to school me on either the south or on history as I am both a native born southerner and have a degree in history

  187. anonymous says:

    no one needs to feel any obligation to school me on either the south or on history as I am both a native born southerner and have a degree in history

    Did I get anything wrong?

  188. tbc says:

    not that I can figure…

  189. Ton says:

    No you have a degree in propaganda

  190. tbc says:

    @ton – yeah, okay, you go with that

  191. Ton says:

    Lol, as if they produce nothing but propaganda in schools these days. Why do you think the lies are only about men and women and how we work?

  192. anonymous says:

    Go read the old books. Go read Alexis de Tocqueville — the uncastrated version that you can only get in the library stacks, not the “edited” version from Barnes & Ignoble.

    Slavery was horrible. The South, arguably right about everything else (including the Tariff of Abominations), was just plain WRONG about slavery. The Republican-sponsored 13th Amendment shouldn’t have been necessary, as slavery was a brazen violation of the 5th amendment (“No person shall be… deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law”) And don’t give me any BS about “incorporation”, only the 1st amendment needed incorporation as a limitation originally on the federal congress only.

    My forefathers volunteered for the Union Army for good reason.

  193. greyghost says:

    thwack
    Your comment at 1137 is wrong and bullshit. So white girls are just apeing black culture. The culture you see is the PC liberal culture that is permitted to be seen in public. (keeping it real) The same culture that has more people killed in Chicago than afghanistan. Every one of those dead bastard knew he was real in his blackness and so did his killer. All bullshit and is what this feminist shit pushed on the black community as done. It is nothing more than liberalism with the believers wrongly thinking it is racism and not the stupid culture they are trying to live up to. Black people that give that shit up live very well. I live in one of those neighborhoods. To get an idea of what I’m talking about look at how black people that don’t play the role are treated publicly fro Clarence Thomas, Condeleeca Rice , The latest is RG3 he ain’t a real brotha,. OJ simpson wasn’t a real brotha until he got arrested for killing his ex wife. It is all that crap culture gleefully supported by liberals as healthy and diverse. It is all bullshit.

  194. greyghost says:

    Ton
    Start with the South was Right, follow the footnotes and learn. At many points, Blacks had higher marriage rates and lower rate of illegitimacy then Whites.

    You are right.

  195. anonymous says:

    Start with the South was Right

    Uh, NO. Just STOP already. The morally toxic nature of present day black culture does not retroactively justify persecuting their innocent ancestors. The South was wrong. General Lee (peace be upon him) eventually admitted it.

    In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea,
    With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me:
    As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free,
    While God is marching on.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Battle_Hymn_of_the_Republic

  196. I agree with Anon. What should have been done is to free all the slaves and send them home.

  197. Ton says:

    Notice I never defend slavery, I speak the truth about it. The good and the bad. Most folks over state the bad, but slavery was common as dirt, all over the world at that time and at this time. There wasn’t a lot of animosity between Southern Whites and Blacks. Many fought for the South, owned slaves, earned pensions, damned yankees, protected their owners wives and children from yankees, built memorials and all manner of things most folks cannot imagine.

    None of which makes into the propaganda system of today, but the info is out there if you care to kill another series of myths

  198. Random Angeleno says:

    @anonymous at 5:11pm
    You should read Founding Brothers sometime. Written by Joseph Ellis about the various crisis in the early days of the US following the Constitutional Convention. There’s an excellent chapter discussing how the Founders dealt … or more properly speaking, didn’t deal with slavery during the early years because to bring it to the point of forcing resolution one way or the other would have broken the country apart in those days. They knew it was going to have to be dealt with, they just didn’t want to be the ones to do it or to be responsible for the breakup of the country was in its infancy. And the country essentially ran that way lurching about slavery for another 70 years before the Civil War finally resolved the issue of the legality of slavery.

  199. Z. says:

    “Notice I never defend slavery, I speak the truth about it. The good and the bad. Most folks over state the bad, but slavery was common as dirt, all over the world at that time and at this time. ”

    Absolutely false. I don’t know who started this lie, and why, but the very large and expansive South Asian Hindu Civliization not only never had slavery, but the concept was inconceivable to them, until the later era of Islamic conquest when some of them were made into unpaid slaves.
    There, that is at least one very long and large civilization with no history of slavery whatsoever. I’m sure there were others. Another thing to consider is that while other cultures had indentured laborers, and of course Islam had slaves, the type of cruelty and separation of families, tearing children from parents and shipping people in chains across continents, was a “new type of slavery” to put it mildly. There are people who may want to make light of the Transatlantic Slave Trade by comparing it with other forms of local, intact family slavery, or even paid indentured labor, but they cannot do so. The Transatlantic Slave Trade was a whole new game in terms of its sheer scope and cruelty. One of the reasons for that was the philosophy that African peoples were lesser humans, and in many cases, not even considered to be humans but mere animals. And they were treated as such. And this theory and its concomitant treatment of the owned cattle was made to be justified by the Bible and Christianity itself.

    Even now, White Supremacists still use Christian verbage to justify their theories. Of course increasingly they are rejecting the Middle Eastern religion, but there is still a sizeable portion of them who subscribe to it, probably more than those who don’t, at least here in the States.

    Now, I’m not saying that the Bible or Christianity does indeed justify these theories. But there are still people out there who think they do.

  200. John says:

    Battle Hymn of the Republic? That’s a repugnant song written by a Unitarian.

  201. anonymous says:

    There are people who may want to make light of the Transatlantic Slave Trade by comparing it with other forms of local, intact family slavery, or even paid indentured labor, but they cannot do so. The Transatlantic Slave Trade was a whole new game in terms of its sheer scope and cruelty

    uh, NO, the Trans-Saharan Islamic trade was many centuries longer, far larger in scope, and far more cruel than the slave trade of the West. The Arabs took FAR MORE black Sub-Saharan slaves than the West did. The population of blacks in the Arab world SHOULD be an estimated 100-300 million today (compared to about 40 mil in the USA). BUT it’s not, because the Arabs systematically CASTRATED all black male slaves, thus preventing their reproduction. In the USA such atrocities were rare, and slaves usually reproduced. Not so under Islam.

    And never mind the hundreds of thousands of WHITE slaves stolen from Europe by the Moslems. Blonde girls were auctioned off in Persia and the Arab states. Only military defeats of Moslems by the rising European powers, put a stop to this. For a long time, the entire coast of the Mediterranean, as well as the Irish, British, and even the Icelandic coasts, lived in fear of Islamic slave raiders.

    Plus, the African blacks enslaved each other LONG before either Arabs or Whites showed up. The blacks sold their own kin. Bantus also enslaved San for use in mining.

    Aztecs SACRIFCED slaves from other Indian tribes, in vast numbers.

    Shall I go on?

    Simply put: The white man was NOT the “worst slavemaster” in history, nor the biggest. Far, far from it. I do not justify slavery for one moment — it is never right — but the white slavers were unusually humane compared to others. Placing the heaviest load of guilt on the white man, is a LIE — that dishonor belongs to the vile sons of Mohammed.

    The unique thing about whites is NOT that we had slaves, but that we were the first culture to CALL IT SIN and REPENT OF IT. And, we dared to “impose our morality” by interdicting slave ships thereafter. Bottom line, in the story of slavery, the white man started out as a MINOR villain, and ended up as a HERO.

  202. anonymous says:

    Ton: Notice I never defend slavery, I speak the truth about it. The good and the bad. Most folks over state the bad, but slavery was common as dirt, all over the world at that time and at this time. There wasn’t a lot of animosity between Southern Whites and Blacks. Many fought for the South, owned slaves, earned pensions, damned yankees, protected their owners wives and children from yankees, built memorials and all manner of things most folks cannot imagine.

    Yes. all this is true It still doesn’t alter the fact that slavery was WRONG. It simple means that human beings are…. human… and that people who’ve lived side by side all their lives, on more or less friendly terms (regardless of the social hierarchy, if any), develop affection and even love for those with whom they’ve shared their lives. Slaves sometimes laid down their lives for their masters, or their master’s families.

    But Slavery was still wrong.

  203. anonymous says:

    For a long time, the entire coast of the Mediterranean, as well as the Irish, British, and even the Icelandic coasts, lived in fear of Islamic slave raiders.

    This is a major reason why our forefathers regarded Moslems as vermin.

  204. tbc says:

    minor correction — Africans did not ‘sell their own kin’. They sold people who were decidedly NOT their kin. Africans were not and are not ‘all the same’ — there were and are distinct ethnic differences among them which made some people to be considered your kin and others not — similar to the way that the welsh are not the english are not the scots, even though they are all ‘white’. White Englishmen had no qualms about oppressing White Irishmen and didn’t consider them their ‘kin’ in any meaningful sense of the word.

  205. tbc says:

    The Trans-Saharan and East African Arab slave trade was brutal — in fact much more brutal in some respects than the Trans-Atlantic trade. That is indisputable. The Arab world and much of the rest of the world have yet to come to terms with its brutality.

    In the West the Trans-Atlantic slave trade gets much more attention because 1) it is part of the direct history of the west and we are still living with its consequences today and 2) it was such a massive hypocrisy perpetuated by so-called ‘Christian Europe’. Christian Europe & America were supposed to be better than the Islamic world, but that we tolerated, supported and justified such a brutal trade for so long makes it a real black eye on our history. It is to the credit of Christians in the West though that there was repentance and change — and a real recognition of the wrong of slavery. Praise God.

    The Trans-Atlantic slave and Western slavery had some unique features, one of which was the race based nature of the trade. Of course there was widespread slavery in the world (unfortunately still is) but it was not really race-based. White enslaved whites, blacks enslaved blacks, etc. In Christian Europe slavery was basically supposed to be illegal; indentured servitude was okay but Christians were not to enslave other Christians — which created a dilemma when the imported and enslaved Africans began to convert. Hmm.. what to do? Well, they just changed the rules. Human greed won out over ‘Christian convictions’ (though most of the slavers weren’t really Christians in any meaningful sense of the word). And not just change the rules, but come up with bizarre theories that made race-based slavery ‘okay’. So Africans had to be made to be somehow ‘lesser beings’ than Europeans to make it alright. Talk about rationalization hamsters!

    But on the whole, the driver of the thing was human greed. The trans-Atlantic slave trade was BIG business — perhaps the first truly global market, integrated 4 continents economically and everyone was in for the money — Africans who sold other African captives, slavers who bought, held and shipped them, plantation owners who worked them, governments that made money from the taxes and fees, Europeans who got to enjoy cheap slave made products, English traders, merchants and shipbuilders who made money on the sales and used the profits to bankroll industrialization — everyone was making money and thus many people were willing to look the other way from the wretchedness, sinfulness and degradation.

    And a lot of the people were real Christians, caught in the system, trying to make Christian decisions in the middle of it. Christian slaveowners who wanted to give what was good and fair to their workers or who saw the evils of slavery, but saw no way to really correct it other than to make sure their slaves were okay. and on and on.

  206. Opus says:

    Always fun to read nonsense about Slavery. The fact remains that slavery was a normal fact of conquest, throughout all of recorded history, until The English unilaterally enforced (and at great cost financially and physically – the brunt being born by their sailors, often death – to themselves) their own ban on its trade throughout the world.

  207. tbc says:

    where is the nonsense?

  208. Gil Ronen says:

    Hi

    The Familists are an Israeli organization that is trying to provide a remedy for genderist destruction. We have been working with Ariel University and a new Knesset lobby.

    Please tell us what you think of this new effort, and whether you think it has relevance for other countries suffering under the same yoke.

    This is a lecture by yours truly delivered at a conference at Ariel University:

    http://familism.org/gil-ronen/

    If you follow the links from the English menu item you will get more info on what we have been doing and where we are headed,

    Thanks

    Gil

  209. Anonymous said, “Slavery was horrible. The South, arguably right about everything else (including the Tariff of Abominations), was just plain WRONG about slavery.”

    Brilliant. Now go convince Africa about that. Like or not, slavery was a common party of life in the middle of the 19th century. It’s still very common in Africa–and according to Henry Louis Gates, the Harvard Chair of African and African American Studies, has stated, “without complex business partnerships between African elites and European traders and commercial agents, the slave trade to the New World would have been impossible, at least on the scale it occurred.”

    And guess what? Free blacks in the pre-civil war South loved to own slaves themselves.

    Free Africans in the South owned slaves at a much higher rate that whites. Duke University professor John Hope Franklin found that in New Orleans in 1860, 28% of free blacks owned slaves. In the same year, in Charleston, South Carolina, he found that 125 free blacks owned slaves themselves. Oh, and same year in Louisiana, C. Richards and her son P.C. Richards, free blacks, owned 152 slaves for their sugar cane plantation. And that’s just a few cities he picked through records to find the information.

  210. tbc says:

    @archerwfisher – why is there any need to go convince anyone about anything? Why is there a need to highlight how many Blacks owned slaves, etc.?

  211. Because white Americans are fed a steady diet of bs guilt about slavery, to try to continue white guilt. People need to know truth. I believe even Obama called it “America’s Original Sin”?

  212. anonymous says:

    why is there any need to go convince anyone about anything? Why is there a need to highlight how many Blacks owned slaves, etc.?

    Because white Americans are fed a steady diet of bs guilt about slavery, to try to continue white guilt.

    Ah, so that’s what this conversation is REALLY about. As it happens, I don’t feel white guilt — indeed I reject the concept as intrinsically immoral, on the same level as blaming some random innocent black person for a robbery committed by a totally different black person on the other side of town. If they want to “profile” me as owing “reparations” just because I’m white, I’m damned sure gonna profile all of them as violent felons and treat them as such. But if they leave me alone, I’ll leave them alone.

    I don’t see why anyone, even a Confederate descendant, feels a need to pretend that slavery “wasn’t all that bad”, or that the “South was right”, in order to accept the simple moral reality that, yes, slavery was wrong… but I didn’t do it. so shut up.

  213. anonymous says:

    tbc: minor correction — Africans did not ‘sell their own kin’. They sold people who were decidedly NOT their kin. …..White Englishmen had no qualms about oppressing White Irishmen and didn’t consider them their ‘kin’ in any meaningful sense of the word.

    Excellent point. Being mainly Irish and Scottish I am well versed in the historical behavior of the English. Although they did ship a lot of their own kin to Australia in chains.

    England owes me reparations! /sarcasm>

  214. Opus says:

    As I said a lot of nonsense about Slavery. You Americans should stop pretending to be something else, stop wearing an imaginary hair-shirt and be grateful to the English – the greatest force for civilsation the world has ever known – for what they did. I will be sending round the virtual collection plate.

  215. Slavery still happens in the Middle East, the far East and Africa today. Hell it happens right in your own damn backyard. Slavery continues and it’s funny to read people stating that slavery didn’t exist before the evil white man came along… Whilst I abhor the idea of owning someone, I also abhor the idea of mixing the races. To each his own.

  216. tbc says:

    Here’s my thing. I’m a Christian and I trained as a historian. IN both cases I should be committed to truth. To tell the truth about the past is not to lay a guilt trip on the present, so I can say that the trans-Atlantic slave trade was horrible, the American institution of slavery was a blight on our national character. As a Christian and an American I can confess, “I and my father’s house have sinned” like Nehemiah did, though I bear no guilt or responsibility for the sins of my forefathers. I can acknowledge the truth about historic racial oppression in the US without beating white people over the head for the past (which they were not responsible for) AND without excusing present day misbehavior by Black people.

    People did and do horrible evil things not because they are White or Black or English or whatever, but because they are sinners. White slavers came to Africa to trade in slaves because they were greedy sinners, not because they were ‘evil oppressive White men’. Black Africans sold slaves to them because they were greedy sinners, not because they were ‘evil savage Black heathens.’ White Englishmen abolished the slave trade, not because they were ‘superior wonderful White men’ but because they were Christians who saw the evil in the slave trade and sought to end it. And I’m sure some the ones who sought to end it were full of pride, lust and materialism or some other vices. In other words, they were sinners too.

    Sin is the problem, not Black pride, White guilt, or any other BS and sin is thoroughly non-discriminatory. It affects and infects everybody

  217. At least they didn’t lop off your balls like some other slave masters…

  218. And while we’re on about the slave trade, why not bring up the fact that more than 1 million white slaves were sold, killed and used by Turkish slavers and Sultans? What about the blood oath to Sultan kings that the inhabitants of the former Eastern Roman Empire had to pay, with their sons, to full up the army of Jannissaries for the Turkish Empire?

    Come on ye maties, let’s get down to the real ‘slavery’ shall we?

  219. anonymous says:

    Here’s my thing. I’m a Christian…. et seq

    Agree 100% with that post, TBC.

    Slavery still happens in the Middle East, the far East and Africa today. Hell it happens right in your own damn backyard

    Sadly true, FH. The sex-slave trade is a global blight and it has even infected Western nations that destroyed the old school slave trade long ago.

    And while we’re on about the slave trade, why not bring up the fact that more than 1 million white slaves were sold, killed and used by Turkish slavers and Sultans?

    I mentioned that in an earlier post, FH. Gotta go for now. Tot siens.

  220. Z. says:

    “uh, NO, the Trans-Saharan Islamic trade was many centuries longer, far larger in scope, and far more cruel than the slave trade of the West.”

    anonymous,
    I mentioned Islamic slavery in my comment above your reply to it: “… the very large and expansive South Asian Hindu Civliization not only never had slavery, but the concept was inconceivable to them, until the later era of Islamic conquest when some of them were made into unpaid slaves.”

  221. mackPUA says:

    ,” but that we were the first culture to CALL IT SIN and REPENT OF IT. ”

    But it still doesnt explain why whites, would be stupid enough to import blacks, half way across the world, when they had plenty of white men & peasants as slaves …

    Wouldnt slavery be depriving white men of jobs & income?

    Nothing about the black slave trade makes sense, historically or factually …

  222. Luke says:

    Anyone who wrongly thinks that the South was wrong for opposing negro equality, or also wrongly believes that the negros shouldn’t have been shipped back to Africa, needs to read this short essay about African culture:
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/924795/posts

    It’s not even necessary to get into how (likely due to genes) they immovably run on average about a standard deviation (~16 IQ points) lower than do whites and North Asians.

    Also worth reading here is John Derbyshire’s good essay on race in America, the one that resulted in him leaving the increasingly liberal National Review:
    http://takimag.com/article/the_talk_nonblack_version_john_derbyshire/print#axzz2T1hvmjis

    And, on their long-established criminality:
    from http://colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.html

    Major Findings:

    Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities.

    Crime Rates

    Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
    When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
    Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.
    The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.

    Interracial Crime

    Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
    Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.
    Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
    Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.

    Gangs

    Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.
    Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.

    Incarceration

    Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million.
    Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.”

  223. HKU says:

    Kim Kardashian is an Armenian princess.

    Kardashian comes from Kar = stone, Dash = carver and -ian = from. Following the Armenian genocide, thousands immigrated to America, and settled in Glendale, LA county. The Armenians are an Indo-Iranian people, thus their women have extraordinary beauty: peachy skin, sharp and aquiline facial curves, voluminous hair and large eyes.

    LA and the surrounding counties are home of some of the world’s wealthiest men: plastic surgeons, lawyers, music producers, actors etc. In places like Malibu and Beverly Hills, 100k a year is peasant’s wages.

    Many Persian and Armenian girls capitalize on their beauty by excessively taking care of their body and spend untold thousands on clothes and accessories. Add a brisk and forceful walk, an exaggerated femininity, constantly flirtatious behavior and revealing clothing, and you get the bimbo. (Everything about a bimbo is exaggerated.)

    Bimbos seek only rich husbands and handsome flings. They are not shy about using pleasure as a means: bouncers, music video producers and so forth. But above all, she wants a RICH man, with an EXPENSIVE CAR and a MANSION. She wants to live like a princess of the Saudi royal family but won’t work for her luxuries.

    Kanye was an ostentatious and arrogant prick who thought he was changing the face of pop music (more attributable to Jay-Z and Cash Money Records.) Now with a illegitimate mulatto on her womb, Kimmy can cash on Kanye’s wealth for 20 years. She’s achieved her goal without a husband.

    Pride hath a fall, Kanye. Now enjoy your misery.

  224. whorefinder says:

    lmao. I always laugh at Kim Kardashian’s fame: a skanky mudshark.

    Now, Kanye’s a laughable fool for becoming the boyfriend of a porn star, who’s a reality show jerk-off, who’s also been married before. So when he walks around with her like he just one the lottery—or when some brother starts bragging on how “Kanye got Kim and she’s hot” —–I remember that old line about buying the cow when everyone else gets the milk for free. And I laugh some more.

    Now he’s knocked her up, he’s her ticket to tabloid/reality show fame forever. I can only imagine what one of Mick Jagger’s knocked-up baby momma’s would have done had they been together these days instead of the 60s-90s, when people thought sex tapes and kiss-and-tells were trash. (I assume Kanye, who has had staying power AND critical acclaim, will be a long-time, big-time act).

    Kanye’s just another pop tart proving that pop tarts are really low on the totem pole of fame and talent, no matter what the record companies sell us. I mean, can you imagine a Denzel Washington/Will Smith/George Clooney/Brad Pitt even being seen in public with Kim? They might bang her once for shits and giggles, and maybe even have her on the side, but she’s too trashy even for Hollywood stars to get with in public.

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  226. Perspective says:

    @greyghost

    “Off topic but this is gold. I laughed the whole read.
    http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/05/06/hamster-of-the-month-3/
    Perspective and infowarrior you two are different you can tell by the screen names. You could have used “pink panties” “IBleedandbreed” or any other name but you all have perspective and infowarrior. You two were just complimented by a very kind family man. I expect school girlish, gushing replies.”

    Lol, that link was pretty funny, and thanks for the compliment.

  227. Perspective says:

    @HKU

    “Kim Kardashian is an Armenian princess.
    Kardashian comes from Kar = stone, Dash = carver and -ian = from. Following the Armenian genocide, thousands immigrated to America, and settled in Glendale, LA county. The Armenians are an Indo-Iranian people, thus their women have extraordinary beauty: peachy skin, sharp and aquiline facial curves, voluminous hair and large eyes.”

    What I find interesting about the reaction invoked by Kim Kardashian’s relationship with Kanye West, is that it does not seem to be Armenian men who are most bothered by it, but seemingly most often white men of Western Euro descent, (who sometimes regard Armenian and Persian women as “ethnic”, “foreign” and/or “other,” and thus would not consider marriage or LTRS with them-in spite of finding them to be beautiful and “exotic”) that are most opposed to these types of unions. I’ve also seen the same reaction drawn from Latina women/Black Men, Asian women and Black men, and Arab women and Black men relationships. Why are some white men bothered by this when then would not even want or consider an Asian, Latin, Persian, Armenian, Arab or any other non-white woman for marriage or an LTR? I suppose I can understand feeling possessive and territorial towards your own, but why disapprove of women of other races in relationships with Black men when you don’t even want them?

  228. Andrew Richards says:

    So what if Kanye did use her to advance his fame? Is the issue society has that it happened, or that it was a man gold-digging a woman instead of the other way around. If this is on face value, then it’s an exception rather than the rule. The fact is that there are far less “Kanye Wests” in the world than their are “Heather Mills”.

    When the world decides that sucking the life out of someone [mostly men] and enslaving then through the family courts is an aberration and must be dealt with justly, then maybe this outrage can be taken as actual outrage, rather than faux outrage.

  229. RJ says:

    @deti
    “WM/BW pairings are very, very rare I think because of two main factors”

    What about BM/WW pairings? Don’t want to sound like a bigot but I have seen first hand the train wreck with such a relationship. BM a cad with 2 kids from a previous relationship and WW who had no kids but still paired up and got left with 2 kids of her own with this player. Of course now she despises him. Does that happens often with such a pairing?

  230. jsolbakken says:

    The truth is I seriously dislike Kanye West, but not enough to wish the likes of Kim Kartrashian on him. That would be too cruel!!!

  231. About black men and white women: I have noticed in Portland OR where I live that a “hip hop club” is where fat bleach blonds go to get picked up by black guys.
    IOW, the women’s SMV is higher there than elsewhere in society.

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