Feminist dream vs feminist nightmare.

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  1. M3 says:

    Reblogged this on M3 and commented:
    Needless to say, me and my ex lived out the feminist nightmare portion of the last panel.

    But at least her entire student loan debt was covered by me by gift and then by divorce settlement, so she did get to live a part of the dream!

    FML

  2. Anonymous Reader says:

    Good job. Concise and to the point. Looks like something that could be printed on a single page of paper.

    Then laminated in clear plastic, and fastened to appropriate bathroom walls…

    [D: Thanks. Here it is in word doc form for anyone who wants to do that (so long as they keep the credit at the bottom).]

  3. Flip says:

    In the immortal words of Rollo Tomassi:
    “Where are all the nice guys?” “Back in your 20′s where you left them.”

  4. Logos says:

    My ex-wife falls into a unique category: she got bored with marriage and dumped me, but her daddy has plenty of money to finance her carefree lifestyle forever, so she may never feel regret until perhaps she’s old and alone. On the plus side, though, I’m free as a bird and have no worries about alimony or child support (no children).

  5. deti says:

    Damn this is depressing…

  6. dorsey47 says:

    The line down the middle could be named ‘logic’.

  7. I dunno. I’m pretty sure logic is not found in this graphic….

    Dalrock, I think it would be interesting to see a Masculine Dream category added to this. It’d serve as a great graphic for showing that, unlike the crazy antics of the feminist dream, the masculine dream is both realistic and would make both men and women happy in each of these life categories.

    That or maybe showing how men are still able to cope, overcome, and find happiness even after some feminist succubus drains everything they can out of the man’s life but then still ends up in that feminist nightmare category.

  8. I note that the last dream/nightmare is exactly the same thing.

    the EXACT same thing.

    When fantasies and worst-case are the same thing… no wonder they are confused.

  9. deti says:

    Masculine dream: Loses virginity at age 12 to the hot babysitter.

    Masculine reality: Faps to dad’s smut magazines until age 16, takes ugly girl to prom. Then loses virginity to the town bike with the petri dish vaj.

    Masculine dream: College: Soft harem of HB 9s and 10s.

    Masculine reality: Intermittent dating here and there. A college LTR with a little sex that crashes and burns. Scores a few BJs and ONSs from HB 5s and 6s; can’t recognize worthy girls who literally dump themselves in his lap. Grinding dry spells. Wastes time and money on HB 7 who shit tests him within an inch of his life, turns him into a pussybeggar and generally engages in increasingly dysfunctional relationship.

  10. Feminist Hater says:

    Feminist Dream: Where have all the good men gone?

    Thousands of men start fighting for her heart to prove that they are ‘good men’. She gets to pick and choose and enjoy her endless courtship fantasy.

    Feminist Nightmare: Where have all the good men gone?

    Crickets…

  11. deti says:

    Masculine dream: Grad school: meet wife.

    Masculine reality: Women in grad school are so hypergamous that they find none of the men attractive. Grinding dry spell continues for years.

    Masculine dream: Graduation from grad school, begin work, earn good living which makes you more attractive as dating and LTR material. Attract and meet wife, satisfying sex and family life ensues, man and woman live happily ever after.

    Masculine reality: 90%+ rejection rate on approaches. Most attractive women reject you out of hand or laugh in your face. “You’re too old/bald/fat/boring/creepy/ugly.” Any woman under age 24 and/or above HB 5 considers herself too good for you. When you get a date, most don’t return your calls; the rest LJBF you immediately. Only available and/or interested women are 30+ former carousel riders; obese women, and women with serious mental issues (some of the women are all three). Eventual marriage to carousel rider, bears a couple of kids, a few years in she begins complaining of vague dissatisfaction with life in general. This leads to either:

    –most commonly, increasing femdom with male supplication, leading eventually to “I’m not haaappy” divorce with cash and prize awards and male impoverishment;
    –less commonly, increasing femdom with male supplication, the couple remains married in a generally sexless, unhappy and unsatisfying marriage;
    –even less commonly, improvement in the marriage following much personal introspection on both parts, much pain and disagreement, reduced male trust, and eventual acceptance of marriage with its fundamental character changing to maledom/femsub

  12. YB says:

    Hahahahaha! Yes, my ex went down that route – I think that she’s running into the nightmare side now. =)

    I dub the line down the middle: “Reality’s (Occam’s) Razor.” Though “slap of reality” or “slap of the wall” would be a good label too.

  13. DYOR says:

    LOL great post D.

    Concise and logical. +1

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  17. ybm says:

    deti says:
    July 7, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    Masculine reality: 90%+ rejection rate on approaches. Most attractive women reject you out of hand or laugh in your face. “You’re too old/bald/fat/boring/creepy/ugly.” Any woman under age 24 and/or above HB 5 considers herself too good for you. When you get a date, most don’t return your calls; the rest LJBF you immediately. Only available and/or interested women are 30+ former carousel riders; obese women, and women with serious mental issues (some of the women are all three). Eventual marriage to carousel rider, bears a couple of kids, a few years in she begins complaining of vague dissatisfaction with life in general. This leads to either:

    –most commonly, increasing femdom with male supplication, leading eventually to “I’m not haaappy” divorce with cash and prize awards and male impoverishment;
    –less commonly, increasing femdom with male supplication, the couple remains married in a generally sexless, unhappy and unsatisfying marriage;
    –even less commonly, improvement in the marriage following much personal introspection on both parts, much pain and disagreement, reduced male trust, and eventual acceptance of marriage with its fundamental character changing to maledom/femsub.

    I’m sorry to burst some bubbles here in the ‘manosphere’ but this is the reality of the future. There won’t be any revenge to be had, there won’t be any “it’ll get better son”. Just a long, grinding painful slog through your life as a beta, being abused, used and enslaved to women, your job, or your corporate-government. And for betas, they wouldn’t take their freedom any better. For them, slavery is all they know.

  18. alphamission says:

    Hey now, betaness is learned and enforced. Betahood can be risen out of, at least as much as you can make the necessary changes. Some of the betaness is chemical/hormonal from poor diet, lack of exercise, and frequent masturbation, but those things may be easier to change even than the cold, hard, enlightenment of the Red Pill. Of course both are necessary in order to have a chance at reclaiming a life worth living.

  19. ybm says:

    And why should a man have to modify himself to conform to the expectations of a world that disposes him beyond what utility he can provide to women and the elites? Why is it a “life worth living” to conform to the male slave mentality? Does he have no agency to decide his own worth?

  20. alphamission says:

    You misunderstand. The changes you make aren’t to please others, especially not to please women. The changes you make are to get what you want out of life(ex PUA), or at least be able to defend yourself against the cruel abuse that feminist society has to offer(ex MGTOW).

  21. Johnycomelately says:

    My neighbor is a feminist through and through, she has a heart of gold and is a genuinely good person who works with people with mental illness (having overcome it herself in her 20s) and often sacrifices her own time and money with the less fortunate.

    Unfortunately her life is a feminist nightmare poster:

    She became obese and even though unemployed stopped her housewife duties.
    Her Mauritian husband became the sole earner while having to cook and clean.
    He got tired of the situation and found a wife half her age and half her weight.
    One daughter became a lesbian and the other daughter despite her intelligence and high earnings became obese and has never had a male in her life (36 years old).

    She used to castigate my mother for treating my father like a king but now she is washed up, alone, obese, will have to work to 65, do the housework cooking and the yard work, her children are a disaster and will never have grandchildren.

  22. Twenty says:

    And why should a man have to modify himself to conform to the expectations of a world that disposes him beyond what utility he can provide to women and the elites?

    The world is what it is. But a man can still, with care, planning, work, frugality, investment, and enterprise, purchase his freedom and check out of a system that plans to use him for its own benefit. And then he can wage a quiet war on it, in a small way, for revenge.

  23. ybm says:

    “alphamission says:
    July 7, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    The changes you make aren’t to please others, especially not to please women.”

    I checked out your writings and it says it has been a few short months that you’ve been reading about this kind of stuff. Make sure you remember what I just quoted from you as you pass through this part of the internet. There is an enormous amount of stuff that is ostensibly about self-improvement that is in fact, about conforming to female expectations (so called manning up etc.). Most “game” stuff is about a mile wide and an inch deep, so always be skeptical of what you are reading.

  24. Nas says:

    “There is an enormous amount of stuff that is ostensibly about self-improvement that is in fact, about conforming to female expectations (so called manning up etc.).”

    – Totally agree. I never fully understood this before reading Rollo’s writings on the female imperative. Men are a slave race! We enjoy enslaving ourselves to others.

  25. ybm says:

    I’m not familiar with who Rollo is, but the male slave dynamic is from ‘The Manipulated Man’ by Esthar Villar. I don’t read “Game” blogs anymore.

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  27. ballista74 says:

    Esther Vilar’s work is probably the best entry into anti-feminism you can get, and seems to be the usual literary entry into MGTOWism. Very thought-provoking and interesting, even if you don’t see what she’s saying by her writing. The Polygamous Sex is worth a read too, and perhaps better in some ways than The Manipulated Man.

  28. Alex says:

    http://www.activistpost.com/2012/07/california-sb-1476-means-government.html
    Fear not, the fembot collective has figured out another way to pick your pocket, even if you choose to avoid the conventional traps, courtesy of our fine Admiralty court system. Of course, California leads the way in this legalistic rip off. I wish I could have lived there when only the natives roamed the land – we’ve turned it into a craphole. Now be careful not to make eye contact with any kid, or you may be ruled his/her daddy. A taste of the full article, below, and remember, it’s for the children, damn it!

    SB 1476 that will amend California’s current two-parent-per-child to allow an expanding of the definition of who can qualify as a parent by eliminating the current definition. Leno claims this bill is in the best interest of the child.
    The bill “would authorize a court to find that a child has presumed parents notwithstanding the statutory to presumption of parentage of the child by another man. The bill would authorize the court to make this finding if doing so would serve the best interest of the child based on the nature, duration, and quality of the presumed or claimed parents’ relationships with the child and the benefit or detriment to the child of continuing those relationships.”

  29. allamagoosa says:

    Not entirely sure my sister is a feminist, but she is sure living a feminist nightmare. She’s a twice-divorced, 40 year old, career woman with no kids. I’m half her age, but I look around and see a lot of young women headed for these same mistakes. I just hope I can avoid making the mistakes myself.

  30. freebird says:

    Nightmare side courtesy of MGTOW, who sez we’re not good for nothing?
    It certainly wasn’t activism that
    killed marriage,it was the courts alienating men.

  31. freebird says:

    Bumping up my question to@empathologicalism
    My question is an honest curiosity.
    I see MGTOW as a survival mechanism,and not an act of libertarianism.
    It a simple desire and way of life to free of the misandrist court system,I certainly do not advocate for more “freedom” for women to misuse unjust laws.
    But I do see where you may be coming from If I may be so bold to put words in your mouth:
    It seems it is your perception that by ghosting I am NOT fighting feminism or actively advocating for mens rights that I am somehow allowing more leverage to the women.
    But it is my perception this is not the case,that my acts of omission are powerful enough resistance to this “libertarianism” w/o subjecting myself to the biased court system.
    In short, my question is:
    How does ghosting out of preservation constitute ‘typical libertarianism’for anyone except myself,and that only being out of self preservation and NOT a political act at all?
    Definitely not asking to be adversarial,honestly wanting to know your thoughts that lead to the conclusion.

  32. alphamission, I think that poor liver function can be a problem. I had fatty liver and ill-health for a long time. Turned out to be related to gall bladder inflammation. Gall bladder removal by surgery solved the problem. But the really strange thing was that it seemed to have an effect on my level of masculine assertion, which rose hugely once I got my liver health back. I suspect that poor liver function had been affecting my testosterone levels.

  33. ybm says:

    God I love Great Books For Men. Rock on GBFM.

  34. TFH, it is really aimed at women. So, get female supporters of men to put them on the inside of the doors to the stalls in women’s toilets. To give feminists something to read as they are sitting.

  35. Alphatroll says:

    Amazing !

  36. Team-Red says:

    The thought of marrying one of the haggards that just hopped off ‘The Carousel®’ and “now ready for children!” at 35 is simply repulsing. On dates with such women, I love getting the Hamster going by asking them if she ever wanted children and why she chose not to do so. I usually get a stupid and puzzled look back, followed up with the “I still want children declaration speech back!” I then interrupt her midpoint by changing the subject or excusing myself for a phone call and it completely derails the Hamster spin. Nuked the Hamster – Boom!!

  37. Jon says:

    I’m sorry to burst some bubbles here in the ‘manosphere’ but this is the reality of the future. There won’t be any revenge to be had, there won’t be any “it’ll get better son”. Just a long, grinding painful slog through your life as a beta, being abused, used and enslaved to women, your job, or your corporate-government.

    Ybm, how so? I earn a great living and have no interest in marriage or cohabitation – I might go down the route of a surregate baby mama from Asia at some point but no marriage.

    Agree about the manipulated man being a great read – every guy should read it, there’s a free pdf around if you google – but once you see the “Prize” for what it is. things are easier not harder. Disposible pleasures over meaningful [sic!] pursuits!

  38. alphamission says:

    Hmmm interesting. Im glad it worked out for you.

  39. ukfred says:

    Dalrock, the sad thing is ths should have been posted under “Satire” but it is a reflection of life in the here and now.

  40. greyghost says:

    I like it Dalrock. But the chart is still based on the choices a woman makes. The real end of misandry comes when this script is written by men. I some ways it is editted by men ,”block two”

  41. Lovekraft says:

    Justin Beebur is, sadly, held up as the standard to which young males are to mimic.

    Why is pop culture so full of glitter and so void of depth?

    Because progressives don’t want the youth to think. They need to subtly control them through relentless shallow muck.

  42. Really? you’re going to attack Bieber? The man is a product of a single mother, is massively beta, and literally became an accidental celebrity! Just because the 40+ contingent are sneaking their daughters teen-beat magazines into the bathroom with them to diddle themselves in secret doesn’t mean the man should be the object of derision. Blame his upbringing, the man is doing the best he can with the total lack of male influence he had.

  43. poester99 says:

    SB 1476 that will amend California’s current two-parent-per-child to allow an expanding of the definition of who can qualify as a parent by eliminating the current definition. Leno claims this bill is in the best interest of the child.
    The bill “would authorize a court to find that a child has presumed parents notwithstanding the statutory to presumption of parentage of the child by another man. The bill would authorize the court to make this finding if doing so would serve the best interest of the child based on the nature, duration, and quality of the presumed or claimed parents’ relationships with the child and the benefit or detriment to the child of continuing those relationships.”

    Wow! that’s great! Why didn’t they think of this years ago? It’s soooooo easy, all you have to do create a loving and involved parent is pass a law to make is so!
    …. or does this have something to do with money?!?!?

  44. Terse_man says:

    And why should a man have to modify himself to conform to the expectations of a world that disposes him beyond what utility he can provide to women and the elites?

    “Game” is more than just a bunch of tricks to pick up women. When you dig deep enough, it is about recapturing masculinity that was lost (or in many individual’s case, probably never had). As such, it is useful in a wide variety of situations, but more so, it can change a man’s outlook on life.

  45. Jim says:

    30’s my ass. Women are feeling the effects much younger these days. Many that are looking to settle (with the 20% of men) aren’t able to because of the carousal. It’s what happens when women deceptively believe that 20% of men have the best genes and they are competing for them.

    The misandry bubble is humming along right on cue.

  46. Terse_man says:

    betaness is learned and enforced.

    It is in this country. Mexico, not so much. But as betas either opt out or become alpha-like, the US will become like Mexico, with lots of bad boys to choose from. Is this the feminists dream, or is it their nightmare?

  47. Terse_man says:

    The thought of marrying one of the haggards that just hopped off ‘The Carousel®’ and “now ready for children!” at 35 is simply repulsing

    It is funny that such a women would think that they would be a good mother. I am sure that they all think that they would, as they are awesome in every way. In previous generations, women prepared for motherhood seriously. So a fella would not be marrying a prospective mother, but a womb with eggs. Who would want that for their children?

  48. Terse_man says:

    What feels right in the short term and/or what brings herd approval is the dominant driver of female actions.

    It used to be that the “herd” was driven toward being good mothers. Now, it is Oprah, fashion, etc. Since they are a herd, are they to be held responsible?

  49. A♠ says:

    Deti,

    I can’t even begin to describe how closely your words hit to home.

    So I just made an image (similar to Dalrock’s) of them:

  50. Paul says:

    OT
    Dear Dalrock,
    i really like your blog.
    Engaging the fallacies and hate of feminists, thats what i tried some years ago, by censoring, namecalling and shaming, i learned, theres no hope for an constructive dialog.
    Lets create something new, feminism is the past, that has to go.
    Times they are changing, no need to look back.
    See? The sun is rising.😉

  51. John VI says:

    It used to be that the “herd” was driven toward being good mothers. Now, it is Oprah, fashion, etc. Since they are a herd, are they to be held responsible?

    They made the choices as a herd. They face the consequences as a herd. Facing consequences as a result of your choices, no matter how many people make the same mistakes. Perhaps it is not so much being Held responsible, as it is, being bitch slapped by reality.

  52. Paul says:

    If you wanna go really red pill hardcorestyle read this: http://www.theabsolute.net/ottow/schareng.pdf
    I hope the translation is good, in german thats guys language is an echo from when europe culture was a at peak, a real delight to read.
    Not an appropriate read for female females, men read that.

  53. tacomaster says:

    This post was awesome Darlock! The sad thing is that so much of it is true.
    GBFM—good to see you here.

  54. Durasim says:

    Really? you’re going to attack Bieber? The man is a product of a single mother, is massively beta, and literally became an accidental celebrity! Just because the 40+ contingent are sneaking their daughters teen-beat magazines into the bathroom with them to diddle themselves in secret doesn’t mean the man should be the object of derision.

    Tina Fey gave her frustrated, menopausal fans exactly what they wanted with this sketch. And I’m sure that her peformance was straight from the heart.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/11/justin-bieber-snl-video_n_533168.html

  55. Just my Two Cents: Not ‘Dream’ and ‘Nighmare’ but ‘Dream’ and ‘Reality’

  56. imnobody00 says:

    They made the choices as a herd. They face the consequences as a herd. Facing consequences as a result of your choices, no matter how many people make the same mistakes. Perhaps it is not so much being Held responsible, as it is, being bitch slapped by reality.

    No, it isn’t. Their predicament is not necessarily the consequence of their individual choices but the consequence of their collective choices. Let me put an example from my own experience.

    In my country, I know several women who are nice, good women and almost traditional. They have never treated men badly. They want to get married. But they don’t find a candidate (they are in their mid-thirties).

    It would be easy to say that these women rode the cock carousel and they want to land a beta provider, having squandered their prime years tasting alpha cock. Although this is a common strategy, I have known them very well for years and I know that this is not the case. They simply happen to be homely women, about 3-4 in the beauty scale. They have never had any LTR.

    In the previous generation of my country (the last patriarchal generation), everyone got married, even the less atractive females (I am picturing two acquaintances of mine who were simply hideous – about 1- and who got married and had kids). But the generation of the women I am referring to is the first feminist generation and not everyone gets married. The girls who don’t get married are not the most feminist, the sluttiest, but the ugliest. A beautiful girl with a bad attitude has always men interested in them, no matter how much slutty she has been.

    One of the victims of the feminist revolution were the unattractive women, who were no longer able to get a husband. They didn’t get nothing wrong individually, they only followed the herd

    It would be easy to picture them as a victims of the sexual revolution, but, when you talk to them, they have swallowed the feminist ideology hook, line and sinker. So the Herd made a decision (to abandon patriarchy) and these girls see themselves as a part of the Herd so they are reaping the consequences of the Herd’s action even if they have never done anything to deserve these consequences.

    So, in a nutshell, whatsoever a Herd soweth, that shall the members of the Herd also reap. It is not always that individual women are reaping their consequences. It is that women made a collective decision and they are reaping the consequences as a whole.

  57. deti says:

    Ace of Spades:

    Glad you liked it.

    Any man coming here needs to know he’s not the only one.

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  59. krakonos says:

    @imnobody00
    Interesting observation but does not correspond mine. I am from the first generation growing up after fall of communism (it means not beeing indoctrinated by educational institutions) in our country. We transformed from 8% illegitimacy to 50%.
    Ugly women married almost always in past. But their counterparts were roughly equal to them (as for looks). In my generation, there is a significant jump. Ugly women do now score several points up when it comes to LTR or marriage.
    I do not know who are female victims of western style feminism. Maybe some older women dumped by husband – some attractive men enjoy serial monogamy/polygyny. But I cannot recall any other women.

  60. Mark says:

    All the women either ignored me or friendzoned me in my twenties. Then, in my thirties and forties, all the single moms wanted me to marry them and help me raise some other guy’s kids and I ignored them except for a couple short term flings where I dumped them after I got bored with them. Now, in my fifties, all the women my age have completely lost their looks (looks was all most of them had to offer) and I have no interest in them at all and completely ignore them and spend the huge amounts of money I make on my own personal enjoyment . So they spent ten years in their twenties ignoring me and then I spent the next thirty years more or less ignoring them. So, while they were “sitting in the catbird seat” in their twenties, I think in the long run things kind of evened up.

  61. cassiuscassius says:

    Masculine dream: find the One
    Masculine reality: find the red pill

  62. Justinian says:

    Ugly women married almost always in past. But their counterparts were roughly equal to them (as for looks). In my generation, there is a significant jump. Ugly women do now score several points up when it comes to LTR or marriage.

    I’m in my early thirties, I know quite a few slim, in-shape men who I knew in High School and College who have married total porkers (they were fat before they got married). There are even a few average men I knew who went after women with physical disabilites for their wives.

    Men are having to drastically lower their expectations for finding wives.

  63. koevoet says:

    Justinian, krakonos – Did these ugly women / disabled women have decent personalities? That could be part of it. Other than for a quick pump-and-dump, how many men want to go through the psychological torture of being chained to a harpy? A sexy harpy perhaps, but a bird-babe with a penchant for provision pilfering nonetheless? Roosh has an interesting article called “The Boner Test”: http://www.rooshv.com/the-boner-test. [Crassness alert]. I may ruffle the feathers of some PUAs by saying this, but I will let a girl slip by 20 lbs or two or three points on the HB scale if she is nurturing, affectionate, loyal, humble, content, etc.

  64. John VI says:

    imnobody00

    They wont settle for a man in thier range. and there are many. They want to compete for the 5-7 men with the 5-7 women and for sex they can, but for marriage they cant. So they end up older, with no prospects and no hope of landing those 5-7 men, and they STILL wont look sideways at a 3-4 man and get married. It wont make them “haaaaaappy”.

    They are making a bad choice. They are facing a bad consequence. Its even worse for men these days. One of the Online dating sites did a simple survey that showed that ALL of thier female users rated 80%, thats FOUR out of FIVE men, below average. What does a below average woman do? Hold out for the same top 20%. Good luck with that. They are still choosing, and they are choosing that being alone and unhappy is better than marrying what they can get/pull.

  65. Some very good quality religious men I know married girls who were fat. I used to wonder why. I now think they lack normal male pride. I was nowhere near as arrogant as some men, and I insisted on a reasonable looking female.

    On another point, the greatest asset a woman will ever have is how she looks at 20. She must capitalise on that, in terms of marriage to a good man. She should work on her charm and good sense and marry at no later than 25. A man of about 30 is about right.

  66. Justinian says:

    Justinian, krakonos – Did these ugly women / disabled women have decent personalities?

    That could be it. A coworker of mine married a woman with a mild form of autism (they choose not to have kids, so no genetic liability there) because she had a rather passive temperament and never left the house.

    Although he couldn’t have children with her due to her condition, he got the companionship he desired and she was taken care of by him. Her parents had died and she had no friends. Therefore she was completely dependent on him and unable to engage the world without his assistance.

    In some ways their relationship somewhat resembled the way wives looked at their husbands prior to women entering the workforce and becoming economically independent.

  67. jbamai says:

    Feminist Dream
    A matriarchal paradise of lower class women who depend on welfare, proximal kinship bonds , and a loose network of men to help raise their families. No need for a nuclear family anymore. Paradise at last!

    Feminist Nightmare
    No decent woman can walk the streets of South Side Chicago at night.

    http://wp.me/p26lRt-rt

  68. krakonos says:

    @koevoet
    Justinian, krakonos – Did these ugly women / disabled women have decent personalities?
    This is not hte case. I personally know (below average) woman who identifies herself as crazy. Still no problem finding partners (good partners in pre-feminism terms).
    The only women who really strugle to find someone are 1s.

  69. tiredofitall says:

    Leap of a Beta says:
    “I think it would be interesting to see a Masculine Dream category added to this.”

    I’m thinking it’d all wind up being like that old joke:

    Once upon a time, a Prince asked a beautiful princess, Will you marry me? The Princess said, NO! And the Prince lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and fucked skinny big titted broads and hunted and fished and raced cars and went to nudie bars and dated women half his age and drank whiskey, beer and Captain Morgan and never heard bitching and never paid child support or alimony and ate pussies and fucked cheerleaders and kept his house and guns and never got cheated on while he was at work and all his friends and family thought he was fuckin cool as hell and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up ….. The end

  70. Opus says:

    On Sunday evening I was listening to a radio feature [would I be correct in thinking such a phenomena is unknown in the United States?] on the subject of the advantages of Pessimism, with far too many inputs from female academics (are there now any other sort? – although I did rather appreciate the presenter suggesting that one of the academics had entirely missed the point) but one thing struck me forcibly: the question of Optimism Bias. Researchers have shown that humans have a bias to overestimate their probable good luck. Is this not exactly what women in their twenties and beyond are doing; being confident that their looks will not fade and that when they are ready, men will be only too happy to step up and marry, and not just any man; the sort of man they dream of; that is to say, a man who is richer than average, better looking than average, more faithful than average and so on. This of course is nothing new; the research which I (and David Collard) briefly touched on a few threads ago of the marriages in the district of Krummhorn, Germany, in the early Nineteenth Century, revealed the same pattern, though it seems to me that by reason of modern female affluence the phenomena is now being greatly magnified.

    Not, of course, that everyone wants to marry; but if it all goes wrong you will not be able to call on a man, or at least the man you desire, to come, like a white knight, to rescue you. In Krummhorn, marrying, made economic and sexual sense for a man; but now in the west, the same is not the default case.

  71. I think the fading looks thing is overstated. Certainly most 20 year old women are attractive, unless they are fat or something. Women who are nothing special really will look very nice for a few brief years; whereas some special few will look like angels sojourning on earth. Ten years later, however, they can all still be perfectly bedworthy. The problem is not so much looks as attitude. There is a theory that cuteness of demeanour also declines with age. The sweet, giggly side leaves as the young woman ages. No doubt being banged around for a decade would not help either.

    There is nothing to stop a woman with a healthy and happy lifestyle retaining, indeed developing, charm as she puts on years. I can think of several women in their thirties and forties who are perfectly presentable. But they are often married women, loved and loving; not the rough feral type.

  72. Rock Throwing Peasant says:

    “I may ruffle the feathers of some PUAs by saying this, but I will let a girl slip by 20 lbs or two or three points on the HB scale if she is nurturing, affectionate, loyal, humble, content, etc.”

    I think this, along with what David is saying, touches on a point often made.

    Develop a pleasant personality. Develop a feminine personality will get you further. The online dating world is full of biographies, purportedly written by women, who describe themselves as, “strong willed, sarcastic, independent, no-nonsense, etc.” Wonderful, so is my buddy, Lee. I don’t want to date Lee. I want to date a woman who is sweet, nurturing, caring, etc.

    When women hit the wall and their looks decline, their personality becomes more important because it is a matter of companionship, as well as looks, that will get them noticed by men their age. If the choice is a hot 23 year old and a aging-hot 32 year old and both have the same personality, why choose the older model? If the choice is a 23 year old full of “moxie” (i.e. s*** tests, tempermental) or a genuinely sweet 32 year old, the choice isn’t as clear if you’re in it for LTR.

  73. Peasant is correct.

    Also, “strong”, “independent”, “moxie” are synonyms for “bitch”. Men are not THAT stupid.

  74. Feminist Hater says:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/andymurray/9388195/Wimbledon-Tough-for-Andy-Murray-so-lonely-for-Kim-Sears.html

    Oh boo hoo! It’s so lonely to be in a relationship with an athletic tennis star, like Andy Murray, who was the first Englishman to make the Wimbledon final for donkey’s years but he lost to a Federer, who is back in good form, and as such some bitch called Beverly, shall on my behalf, croak at the grave injustices done to woman like myself who have such high studs as our boyfriends.

    Classic case of ‘Woe-is-me’ ism! It really is tough for these princesses, ain’t it?

  75. The feminist nightmare is coming to a whole lot of women…

    I’ll be enjoying the decline with my beautiful Asian girlfriend!

    I hope cats are equally warm and loving as those men you feminists scoffed at for “oppressing” you since the dawn of time.

  76. Opus says:

    @Feminist Hater

    I look forward to an article in the Telegraph concerning the miseries of the boyfriend of the woman who won/lost – it matters not – the Ladies final (I have no idea their names) and how hard it is for him not seeing her half the year. It will never happen of course, and not just because the Female Players are probably all paid up Lesbians. If she doesn’t like it, she can get a new boyfriend who has a normal job – that she doesn’t, suggests to me that overall she is happy basking in the glory of being the gf of a famous person.

    Never mind the fact that it is Murray who must be licking his wounds. Such stories however have little to do with Feminism but a lot to do with female Hypergamy. Maybe she should make a play for Federer, or some other up and coming player, and get him to put a ring on her hand before her SMV wanes. That Murray hasn’t done so, suggests to me that she should cut her losses sooner rather than later.

    Question: Would the story be quite so good, were she married rather than just an LTR girlfriend?

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  78. an observer says:

    David Collard,

    I vaguely remember a summary of aging. It went something like youth being a gift to the young, with character that to the old. It suggested that character is reflected in looks as we age.

    Applied to women, having a high partner count eventually results in the ‘used, and put away wet’ look. Next dinner party you go to, heres a party trick for the blokes, perhaps with the womenfolk in another room. Try guessing each womans partner count. Apparently its more accurate than you may think.

    Mature, contented women have a completely different look. Although there seem to be a lot fewer of them, for obvious reasons. Being constantly unhaaaapy must have cumulative affects.

  79. observer, I have been lucky enough not to have to spend much time with sluts. Most of the women I know are probably low-count. Most of them are what used to be called respectable matrons. Having a few children seems to settle them down.

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  81. Tam the Bam says:

    Feminist Hater, y’did that on purpose didn’t yer? Cheeky monkey.
    “Andy Murray, who was the first Englishman to ..”
    Come on Tim! etc. ..

  82. Jacksonn says:

    Good list. Im not an american but i can tell that list describes women also here in scandinavia. Maybe they are not as entitled as americans but still. Funniest thing is most women dont consider themselves as feminists. I think its because feminism is the norm and in recent years it has become a very nasty label to describe a person and women dont normally consider themselves anything else than unique individual.

    I can tell u, eventhough we dont have laws as misandry as u have in states (no jail for unpaid children alimony), scandinavia is fucked up. There is no respect for logic in decision making in politics. We have the same lies how everything must be done to get girls and womens lives better etc. It is absolutely repulsive.

    When i was younger i had this condition which prevented me many times to get too intimate to girls. I wasnt too nerdy or anything but it was a psychological and physical “block”. I was able to get rid of that only couple ears ago. I was at the point when i realized i had to be fully honest to myself, so i could understand things and people and their actions even better. Looking back now it has been a curse and blessing. It made me to work myself and i learned to question things.

    Now when i look to my country and people i feel like i dont belong here. I can easily get better what i do, but as there is now real honour its all just bs. Women dont really understand the concept of honour or respect. Its always how she feels. Im not looking or behaving like beta, but there is no difference. Women will just use you when they feel like. When you learn to read women (and not what they are talking), you see they are the product of their culture. Most pretend they have high selfesteem, but its garbage because if you dont have balls to be weak or honest about your flaws, its just ego. I have seen this many times and it strikes me how it is with younger and older women. If things dont go as THEY WANT they will avenge you in some feminine way. They dont want to grow as a person, they just feel. It would be too painful to grow up.

    I will never marry my country women. I have no empathy to western women or to their families i dont know. I guarantee if i saw a unknown woman in trouble i wouldnt help her for free. As long as i dont have my own children i am not really part of the society i see around me. It is not anymore anger. It is just pity and disinterest. Its just a game + mgtow. I am waiting to see the real backslash. It wont be noticeable to those who cant understand. Its like a universal justice. Same feeling i get when i point other men to these blogs so they would understand. Funniest thing is.. im that asshole at the club who gets womens attention.

  83. PeeWee says:

    “I don’t know how a man decides whats right for his own life, it’s all a mystery.”

    “Man is born man lives man dies and its all vanity”
    Why me ? why this ? why now ? why her ? why him? Give me a break, it’s life and life only.

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