She doesn’t need a man!

As regular readers already know, the Daily Mail is a tabloid paper in the UK targeted largely to women.  They have a specific subsection for women called the Femail.  Feminists have long accused female targeted publications of making women obsessed about relationship status by focusing so much on it.  What feminists fail to consider is that these publications aren’t tools of the patriarchy with a devious plan to change women from just like men into women;  they are motivated to sell copy.  What sells copy to women is the relationship and/or motherhood status of other women.

Usually this all plays out with a wealth of pictures and articles about a woman kissing her high status husband in public, another strolling along the beach with her man, and mothers with children or expectant mothers.  They are true to this same pattern even when selling divorce.  Sometimes however they mix it up with a bit of feminist girlpower, and do a story on how a particular woman doesn’t need a man.  These latter stories tend to be somewhat convincing when the woman is young and hot.  She has opportunity coming out of the woodwork, why should she tie herself down?

Recently the Daily Mail ran a piece about an aging former Page 3 model spending Christmas without a man in her life:  She won’t be lonely this Christmas: Katie Price parties with family for her first Christmas as a single woman.  As hard as they tried to make this a story of empowerment however, the pathos of reality bled through.  Reading the article I learned that Katie Price is the twice divorced unwed mother of three.  They claim she is only 32, but if this is true time has been extremely unkind to this woman who at one point at least relied on her looks professionally.  I looked for a younger photo of her and found this one taken by Phil Guest in 2004:

While she looked better back then, the contrast between the woman in person and the pictures on the cover of her book is quite striking.

But what struck me most wasn’t Ms. Price’s unfortunate high velocity meeting with the wall.  Nor was it a professional model trying so hard to look sexy while doing it all wrong. What struck me was how much the photos in the article were at odds with the title and text.  I won’t show them here; you have to go there to see them for yourself.  We are ostensibly viewing pictures showing how much she doesn’t need a man in her life.  Yet we see her in sexually suggestive poses with both her stepfather and her cousin.  Don’t blame the paparazzi for taking these candid shots, these are the photos Ms. Price posted on her own Twitter page.  But don’t look too hard at the pictures, focus on the copy instead:

Having split from Argentine model Leandro Penna in September, Price is embracing life as a single woman.

She said recently: ‘I’m not frightened, because I’ve got so many friends around me and family and I’m so busy. But you know at night time, when you watch TV and stuff, you want that bit of companionship.’

Um, you go girl?

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112 Responses to She doesn’t need a man!

  1. Mitchell says:

    You should have included at least the first photo from the link- nothing says “girl power” quite like posing for a family picture and your Mom is flipping the bird at the camera. Classy and sassy, all at once. With a Mom like that, you just know that our girl oozes dignity from every pore.

    [D: Agreed, but they aren’t mine to post. The one I posted is licensed as creative commons by the owner (click on the link to him for details). The ones in the Daily Mail article are traditional copyright.]

  2. deti says:

    “unfortunate high velocity meeting with the wall”

    I don’t care who you are, that’s funny right there.

  3. deti says:

    The Daily Mail photos are indeed striking, and Ms. Price has slammed headlong into the Wall.

  4. Carnivore says:

    @Mitchell: With a Mom like that, you just know that our girl oozes dignity from every pore.

    Being such a prized catch who doesn’t need men, there will, no doubt, be some dope coming along to be the next hubby.

    Even while “chillaxing” with her father, she poses with pouty botox lips.

  5. Rumour says:

    i think the proper way to phrase it is – “she don’t need no man.”

  6. Opus says:

    Who could fail to recognise, in the above photos, none other than probably the second most famous woman presently in England, namely Jordan.

    Jordan is famous for doing nothing, [do you have American’s like that? – I know Britney can sing but apart from taking off her bra, Jordan has never done anything] and in that respect is like an obverse view of the other second most famous woman in England who has also never done anything either; Kate Middleton – who like Miss Price is now better known by an adopted name; The Duchess of Cambridge. Whereas Cambridge has (so far) done everything right, Jordan has done everything wrong: countless husbands; children all by different fathers, yet I predict that within months Jordan will have a new (paid) escort, ethnically challeneged, probably named Angelo or Marco and whose previous occupation will have been that of either Dance Instructor or Hairdresser.

    She appeals to the women on the Council Estate because all her fame and glamorous love life is what they aspire to, (could you resist hunky Australian Crooner Peter Andre?) yet they fear those things in Jordan’s life, such as that child of hers who is retarded and the (fake) misery. As Daily Mail readers do not live on Council Estates I think we must assume that the Mail is rubbing salt in the wounds. Still at least Dalrock is spreading her fame further and for that I am sure Jordan will be duly grateful.

  7. empathologicalism says:

    She has maxed out the assets, they dont even make larger implants, she being of the mind that those cover a multitude of sin eh?

  8. empathologicalism says:

    what the heck im on moderation

    [D: You must have changed something, I’m guessing your email address. Now it knows you again.]

  9. I love what you have to say, Dalrock, but I keep questioning the notion of beauty of man from US/UK. Even in the younger photo the girl is slender and not ugly, but I can’t find her attractive unless I set her face out of my vision.

    [D: The only pic where she looks attractive to me is the one cover of her book. I can only guess that she looked more like that when on Page 3.]

  10. Dalrock says:

    Thanks for the inside scoop Opus. I have to confess I’d never heard about her prior to seeing the Daily Mail article.

  11. slwerner says:

    Opus – “do you have American’s like that?”

    Have you never heard of the Kardashian’s – the useless and overly entitlement-minded spawn of well known American defense attorney Robert Kardashian, who gain fame because one of them made a sex tape, and who now make millions for allowing themselves to be filmed living the lives as useless spoiled brats (and role-models for young women everywhere[/snark])?

    I guess I thought the whole world already knew of America’s greatest shame.

  12. empathologicalism says:

    Yes we have famous for being famous idiots….I thought we invented that dynamic.

    I agree about the woman’s attractiveness, but wrote that off to just not my type.

    She is the quintessential my poop smells good woman , but like anyone else, coprophagia would make her breath as bad as anyone elses.

  13. tweell says:

    Katie Price will still make a living modelling for a few more years. Her name recognition is high, her (surgically altered) body is still very nice, and her skin can be covered with cosmetics or photoshopped. Tanning, drugs, drinking and smoking deteriorates the skin quickly, and so in person she would not look as great (plus the enhanced lips and breasts are on the cartoonish side). I’d feel sorry for her if she wasn’t so narcissistic, but she has money and fame to bolster her fading looks, unlike many other women. The problem is the many women who try to emulate her.

  14. empathologicalism says:

    True….hence the size 10 squeezed into the size 7, at the Chateau Couger, offering the dismissive look at men who would actually be a real catch for her

  15. Feminist Hater aka freaking, clueless, feminist fembot says:

    Well, there’s always Photoshop!

  16. deti says:

    slwerner:

    I’m disappointed in you. Our cup(s) runneth over with talentless famous people.

    You forgot Paris Hilton, Levi Johnston, Nicole Richie, Kendra Wilkinson, Holly Madison, Flavor Flav, New York, and the entire cast of Jersey Shore.

  17. Feminist Hater aka freaking, clueless, feminist fembot says:

    Doesn’t it really irk you to realise that these women will earn more than the most educated and talented engineers, doctors and scientists? For basically nothing more than owning a pair of breasts, not even theirs considering plastic surgery, and a pretty face. A society that values what these women represent over technological innovation and discovery is…well, you figure it out…

  18. Höllenhund says:

    Her face looks horrible.

  19. Kane says:

    She may not need a man,but she sure wants one and would be happier if she had one.

  20. deti says:

    Hollenhund:

    “Her face looks horrible.”

    Especially in the Daily Mail photos.

    Proof that the Wall does exist, unofrtunately. Even the most physically attractive women will slam into it eventually.

  21. YBM says:

    Very out of character post from you today Dalrock, absolutely dripping with sarcasm and stifled chuckling.

    Loved it, do it more often.

  22. Joshua says:

    She doesn’t need a man because she has one.

    In the mirror every morning.

  23. Aurini says:

    @Feminist Hater

    Society will always place a high premium on beauty, the tragic aspect is that we now value beauty without virtue.

    Beauty without virtue is nothing but a well-polished turd, and – as empathologicalism said – people who like that are engaging in coprophagia.

  24. Sojourner says:

    Took one look at the Daily Mail photos and quickly had to turn away. Disgusting doesn’t quite convey my feelings when looking at her photos there. Revulsion maybe? Either way, WOW.

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  26. chris says:

    Every society has girls like thus — often cheerleaders or dancers when gils, who then moe into “modelling” or dancing at 18 or so… and by the time they are 25 look 40. But most are shunned, not famous.

    Katie Price is a warning… as is Sarah, who used to br the Duchess of York. Trading on raw sexuality is not a long term strategy, Being a Lady {disceet, intelligent, interseting, feminie, and not tanned) is. I think we sould ollow the example of Elpeth\s husband and use these examples for a fairly blunt discussion with our daughters

  27. slwerner says:

    Deti – “I’m disappointed in you. Our cup(s) runneth over with talentless famous people.”

    Well, just imagine how I feel. How could I possibly forget those others. I’m so ashamed. How will I ever be able to show my face in public again?

    But, non-seriously, there’s also Kevin Federline; who having been award alimony himself, interestingly enough provides a segway to mentioning the coming issue of the probability that Russel Brand will walk away from the farce of a marriage to Katy Perry with much more than he earned during it. Woman all of the world will be howling about the injustice of a man being entitled to half when he wasn’t the big earner. Just imagine the outrage should he be award alimony as well.

    Anyway, it should be good for a few laughs at the unapologetic hypocrisy.

  28. umslopogaas says:

    Heh, it’s a classic case of her beaver being in direct conflict with her hamster. This is a volatile point in time for a woman. It’s mortal combat right in her head.

    I wrote about this dynamic:

    http://umslopogaas.wordpress.com/2012/01/02/beavers-hamster-warp-drives-the-female-decision-making-process/

  29. Samuel says:

    In spite of the article, I bet she had sex that Christmas weekend.

    I’ll betcha.

    Cousin? Stepdad? Gas station attendant? Neighbor guy?

    Hey nothing against having sex at Christmas, but let’s not sit here and act like the Emperor is wearing clothes on this one.

  30. Samuel says:

    @umslopogaas- we totally need a drawing of a beaver and hamster in battle.

    Hilarious.

  31. umslopogaas says:

    @Samuel:

    Absolutely!

    Some gifted dude should draw it up.

    And while we’re at it…someone should also make a flash video of the cock carousel….and its ramifications.

    Start with a gal in her prime…have her jump aboard for the thrill of the spin….and then fastforward 10 years…and have her still spinning and full of jizz….it’s actually flowing out…and all the time she is in a rage and demanding that ‘Prince Charming’ should man up and marry already because she’s “earned” it.

    Res ipsa locquitor.

  32. ray says:

    “Doesn’t it really irk you to realise that these women will earn more than the most educated and talented engineers, doctors and scientists? For basically nothing more than owning a pair of breasts, not even theirs considering plastic surgery, and a pretty face. A society that values what these women represent over technological innovation and discovery is…well, you figure it out…”

    exactly

    for decades the West fetes and enriches these useless, self-absorbed monstresses, with their mansions and pink SUVs and 500 dollar handbags, who contribute NOTHING of value except endless, frivilous high-end consumer purchases

    . . . meanwhile ignoring, disenfranchising, and shaming its creative creative, inventive, and intellectual capital (meaning males, othewise known as Pre-Perpetrators)

    Britain is literally disintegrating, but who cares? we’ve got more stale Katie Kupkakes to honor and shower with Fabulous Wealth!

    half the daily news-cycle is polluted with this fe-mail (non)celebrity Voidness, convincing western girls that these botoxed brats are worth emulating, while our cultures die in front of us

    nice going grrrls! youve come a long way alrightee

    while Aging Princess is busy serial monogaming, what about the kids the article mentions? what’s the effect on them of Glamour Grrls and their Need No Man matriarchies? if alligator-skinned Katie Kupkake has a son, who will protect his boyhood, and guide him into manhood? Kupkake’s bleary, boozy stepfather? various musical-chair boyfriends? the gaggle of wimminz surrounding Fabulous Kupkake in solidarity?

    fortunately for all, our universities and Medea assure that fathers (like males generally) are extraneous — at best

    the purpose of propaganda like this “article” is to assure aging, skankified western females that they will not suffer for making horrible, vain, selfish choices in their lives

    instead, they will be awarded essays in national “news” outlets and embraced as role-models for future skankery, while Mammy’s Medea strokes their crumbling psyches with ever-more “don’t need no man” agitprop, as they stare into the morning mirror more glumly each day, gobbling antidepressants and blaming The Patriarchy

  33. Eric says:

    Women: “We don’t need a man!”

    Reality: 62% divorce rate; 24% out-of-wedlock birthrate; juvenile delinquency, substance abuse, and illiteracy skyrocketing; culture spiraling into decline.

    Any questions?

  34. Rmaxd says:

    Quote from Markymark

    “These chicks all get a bit desperate after 30: all they want is to be in a relationship and are dying to get someone down the aisle. I’m seeing two of them at the moment.”

    “They have an idea that I’m in demand, so they try extra hard. If one of them annoys me, I just disappear for a while with the other one. A bit of competition doesn’t do any harm.”

    According to available census figures, the number of single people (aged 15 to 38) in this country has increased by 140,000 between 2002 and 2006, and at least half of those are female.

    Ah, this news warms the cockles of my heart! It fills me with much schadenfreude to see more women getting the husband they deserve-none….🙂

    There is a tendency to get married later in life, but it would seem that once women reach a certain age, it’s viewed as the point of no return.

    Hint: it’s called the ‘expiration date’ for a reason-duh! Once women pass 30, their looks, bodies, and along with them, their whore powers, start to fade. They can no longer cast a spell on men like they used to in their 20s.

    Once a guy reaches his late 20s to earlly 30s, here’s what happens. One, his sex drive dies down, so he isn’t so easily blinded by the ‘hormone goggles’. Two, men start seeing male friends and family members get burned in divorce. Three, since they’ve had DECADES of abuse and mistreatment from women, they’re deciding that maybe they don’t need, let alone want, one of them. A guy starts to realize that he has something precious: his freedom, and he’s not going to surrender it to some bitch…”

  35. greyghost says:

    This is surely a cae of what they do and not what they say. Every thing about her is sex sex sexiness and she says she doesn’t need a man. “Ok honey”
    BTW check out old octomom another woman that doesn’t need a man http://www.sodahead.com/entertainment/octomom-poses-in-bikini-summer-fun-or-sick-mess/question-1852183/ The lady has 14 kids and no husband and maybe not even a baby daddy for the state to collect from. ” Will some millionare please find this beautiful woman attractive enough to make a life long commitment to.”

  36. MarkyMark says:

    Rmaxd,

    I think you confused me with someone else, because I don’t remember making that quote. Perhaps someone made it on my blog?

    MarkyMark

  37. Anonymous age 69 says:

    Markymark, I do remember that statement, not sure where it was, but it was most certainly not you. could it be in comments?

  38. Rich says:

    You go(ne) girl!

  39. Kai says:

    It doesn’t sound to me like there’s anything particularly sexual about her relationship with her male family members, so much as that she’s incapable of being photographed without making an overtly sexual pose – even in family snapshots. This is definitely not a limited phenomenon.
    I doubt her face was ever that pretty. she was a page 3 model – not a model. big difference.

  40. Rum says:

    Kai
    I love your reference to her being a “page 3 girl” who did not especially need a pretty face. I got it because I am a semi Brit but I suspect a lot of readers did not.
    Easy to teach – tell them to buy a “News of the World” and open to page 3. Eventually, you (the guys) will look for the face.

  41. anonymous x says:

    I’d hit it. And then I’d leave. OK I’m giving away my age there, haha.

  42. YBM says:

    Re: Page 3 girl

    In Canada we have a “sunshine girl” in the sports section of the sunmedia newspaper chain so I had a pretty good idea of what she was.

  43. Rmaxd says:

    @markymark

    It’s from your article …

    happy-new-year-to-all-bachelors

    http://markymarksthoughts.blogspot.com/2012/01/happy-new-year-to-all-bachelors.html

  44. Rmaxd says:

    Comments worth remembering …

    “Society will always place a high premium on beauty, the tragic aspect is that we now value beauty without virtue.”

    “Katie Price is a warning… as is Sarah, who used to br the Duchess of York. Trading on raw sexuality is not a long term strategy, Being a Lady {disceet, intelligent, interseting, feminie, and not tanned) is. I think we sould ollow the example of Elpeth\s husband and use these examples for a fairly blunt discussion with our daughters”

  45. RealitiCzech says:

    Throws a party and only family come? Ouch. She must be a real prize.
    “Tanning, drugs, drinking and smoking deteriorates the skin quickly”
    Yes. Excessive sunbathing, as she’s obviously engaged in (compare skin tone between her and family), is especially quick in doing damage (there’s a famous fashion house lady who is the perfect example of that). She’s bound to look like Keith Richards by 40.

  46. Ugh says:

    What a revolting skank!

  47. Höllenhund says:

    I’m glad someone mentioned Kevin Federline and Russell Brand. They seem to be the exact type of man that thrives in a feminized society. Such men are enabled by a particular type of woman: career-oriented, ambitious, high-earning and at the same time utterly ignorant of either male or female sexuality plus psychologically feral and primitive. See: Katy Perry and Britney Spears. They’re always screwed over by their own hypergamy.

  48. jso says:

    is it against the rules of dalrock’s comments section to say cunt? I dunno

    anyway she’s a cunt

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  50. johnnymilfquest says:

    I’m not a big fan of Ms Price’s looks. However, I will take the “I don’t need a man” thing at face value.

    She’s loaded. She has nannies to look after the kids. She really *doesn’t* need a man.

    Her behaviour towards her ex husbands (Peter Andre and Alex Reid) would also strongly suggest that she really doesn’t *like* men that much.

    As for random cock, I don’t think she’ll have any real difficulty getting that.

  51. grerp says:

    Katie Price has this soulless look to her. Not just vacant, like something malevolent is in there, and it’s not a person. You have to go back a long time to find a picture of her looking her actual age. Like 15 years: http://www.nowmagazine.co.uk/gallery/gallery-specials/28164/1/1/pictures-the-changing-face-of-katie-price-1995-2010/1

    Her choices just make her look older. Lindsay Lohan is the same.

  52. Joe Blow says:

    Aaaah… A wealthy celebrity who does not have gold behavioral standards, but instead has standards of a more common ‘ore.

    As Theodore Dalrymple has documented for many years, one of the reason society is utterly falling apart on the bottom end, is that badly behaving rich people, who should know and act better, engage in bad behavior that the lower and middle classes then ape. Being rich, they can get away with it for the most part; jail isn’t a threat with good lawyers on hand, so as long as they avoid drug overdoses and car crashes they’ll do okay. The problem is that working and lower middle class people ape these folks who they view as their “betters,” imitate them, and then cannot afford to pay the monetary and spiritual consequences.

    What you’re seeing here with Ms. Price is referred to in England as Chav culture. She’s behaving as a lower income slutty party girl would be expected to behave, if she lived on a low end council estate and spent her days burning up dole checks, chasing drugs and badboys, and pumping out babies for fun and profit. Paris Hilton and the Kardashian girls are similar, but they come from money (and are *exactly* whom Dalrymple is talking about, this woman is in the mix but not exactly his target). The best comparison we have to her in the U.S. is that fat little girl from Jersey Shore, Snooki. Instead of taking the money and fame and striving for a better, more respectable life, her aim seems to be whoring it up for the cameras and enjoying all the short-lived fun of low rent “Guido” culture (which poses the same embarassment to Italian Americans as Chav culture poses to middle class Britons).

  53. Ray Manta says:

    johnnymilfquest wrote:
    I’m not a big fan of Ms Price’s looks.

    They’re depreciating. Rapidly. I think she looked pretty good at her 2004 book signing.

    She’s loaded. She has nannies to look after the kids. She really *doesn’t* need a man.

    For someone with so little real-world talent, she’s achieved a remarkable net worth. I hope she doesn’t do a Heather Mills and spend it all in a hurry.

  54. Rmaxd says:

    @Grep

    Did you catch this quote btw … lol

    Hilarious ….

    “The changing face of Katie Price 2003

    Katie Price is the ultimate glamour model with her new 32FF breasts but it’s a no pain no gain situation.

    ‘You can’t move your arms at all because it’s too much of a strain,’ she reveals.

    ‘It was all worth it though, because they look great.’

  55. Rmaxd says:

    lol her quotes are friggin hilarious …

    “I’m pleased with my nose,’ Katie comments.

    ‘Before it was more animal-looking, wider like a cat. Now it’s a cute, fake ski jump.'”

    “The changing face of Katie Price 2004

    An expressionless Katie Price looks as if she’s just stepped out of the Botox clinic…again.

    ‘I don’t have a very expressive face anyway, so I don’t worry about not being able to show emotion,’ she says. ‘It’s not like I’m an actor and need to have that ability.’

    “Katie Price also reveals she wants surgery on her private parts.

    ‘I think all mums who have had kids will know what I’m talking about, but sometimes you’re not as tight down there as you’d like afterwards!’ Katie says.”

    “Katie Price looks like she’s had a face transplant after jetting back from LA, following more cosmetic surgery.

    ‘I am totally plastic and proud!’ she declares.” …. lol

    “Katie admits she wants her face to be frozen. ‘The amount of money I’ve spent on Botox, I’d be more worried if I wasn’t frozen,’ she quips. “

  56. ybm says:

    Is that the sound of a sad trombone I just heard?

  57. Dalrock says:

    Rmaxd

    Another choice quote from wikipedia:

    Some people may be famous for creating a pencil sharpener. I’m famous for my tits.

  58. Professor Woland says:

    Women’s biological clocks change once they have had children. Not only to they physically age quicker but they now have little biological clocks running around who have their own needs and agendas. It becomes progressivly harder for women or men to have a succesful second / third / fourth … relationship once children are in the picture and increases as the children get older. And forget about dating once they become teenagers. Children are the center of their universe not their narcissistic mothers and fathers. It does not matter what she does with her boobs, hair, or in the weight room. Her fate has been decided. This was normal two generations ago and accepted. Now a lot of women plan out using their 20s and 30s in the most selfish way possible. They put off children and serious relationships and focus on their careers and while maximizing pleasure and creature comfort. Only when the future arrives and options shink do they stop behaving like children themselves.

  59. Feminist Hater aka freaking, clueless, feminist fembot says:

    Rmaxd, almost choked on my coffee reading those quotes. No way to take her out of context! Those pictures of her aren’t exactly pretty. She looks like a tramp and without makeup on she looks like a monster, why are people so fixated with her? And yes, I know why they are, it’s just so incompatible with how I think that I cannot get my mind around it.

    I’m glad she doesn’t need a man.

  60. slwerner says:

    Interesting that the “take” on Katie Price not having any men interested in being in a relationship with her is one of her “empowerment”. If some washed-up male C-list celebrity didn’t have a girlfriend come to his Christmas party, the DailyMail would likely report on his inability to find “love”. Strike that, it wouldn’t even rate as being worthy of reporting on. It seems it’s only miserable lives of washed-up female celebs that rate being reported on.

    Thought I’d read through the comments left on the DailyMail article linked above, but what I found at the bottom of the page may be even more interesting:

    A bikini-clad Amy Childs sits on Peter Andre as he reveals their holiday snaps in Dubai

    Katie Price’s first husband has definitely upgraded in the girlfriend department, and apparently has Katie and his children with him as well (pictured with him at New Years Eve party).

    Nice juxtaposition of him happy and doing well compared to what has become of Katie.

  61. Rmaxd says:

    ” Some people may be famous for creating a pencil sharpener. I’m famous for my tits.”

    lol Dalrock …

    She reminds me of real celebs i’ve met in real life, for example I bumped into the manager of Manchester United FC & his wife, the wife stank of cigarettes & booze, they walked & talked like walking pubs … you can smell the stench of these celebrities a mile away

    Then theres the wear & tear of all that nicotine & alcohol on the wife

    Then the wife & husband opened their mouths & tried forming complete sentences, under a haze of rings of smoke & all day morning boozing … lol

    The point is I’m an inventor & researcher, & I was there to get some new contacts & pitch some idea’s, I just took one look at them & literally the stench alone had me running for the hills … lol

    There was no way I was going to degrade myself, by talking to these under educated hacks …

    It was probably the most hideous thing i’ve seen in a long time …

    I think chain smoking alcoholic urban red necks describes them well, celebrities like kate price, are the worst examples & dangers of living in & giving into the debauchery & philosophy of inner city urbanism

  62. Höllenhund says:

    OT: yet another dumb POS ‘man up!’ column:

    http://www.iowastatedaily.com/opinion/article_d21775a6-d56b-11df-8ae8-001cc4c002e0.html

    Frankly these type of articles are becoming so predictable and tiresome it’s almost funny. I see two possible explanations:

    1. Bandwagon effect among journalists.
    2. The government is psychologically preparing the citizenry for the coming bachelor tax.

  63. ybm says:

    @Rmaxd
    “I think chain smoking alcoholic urban red necks describes them well, celebrities like kate price, are the worst examples & dangers of living in & giving into the debauchery & philosophy of inner city urbanism”

    Its funny you mention that (I assume you mean Ferguson? Somehow hearing he is of low character doesn’t surprise me). American media has done a pretty good job of building up the lower class as something to be emulated for consumer purposes. Mass culture is fundamentally lower-class culture, and UMC whites see this mass culture as being good an emulate it. We get into a nasty chicken-egg paradox here: was Paris Hilton engaging in low class behaviour from birth or did she learn to be low class from mass culture?

    Mass consumption of lower class culture becomes a nasty race to the bottom, as you can see from the last few decades.

    *I use low-class culture not to imply poor people are bad, but that social deviants of various striples are almost always the bottom of the social Hierarchy.

  64. Rmaxd says:

    @slwerner

    Seriously I could start a website just on the dumbassery printed in newspapers like the DailyMail

    Andre & Price et al, are basically what happens you get under educated chavs, living in a first world country …

    for example …

    “Mummy, just what I always wanted!
    Girl, 7, gets £7,000 liposuction voucher for Christmas from ‘Human Barbie’ mum”

    Wtf …

    These are basically celebtries & celebrations of travesties of a first world underclass, in other words first world filth mongers … lol

  65. slwerner says:

    Rmaxd – “Mummy, just what I always wanted!
    Girl, 7, gets £7,000 liposuction voucher for Christmas from ‘Human Barbie’ mum”

    Weird that the “Femail Today” sidebar is fulled with items about celebrity women in bikini’s. I thought women didn’t like that women were (sexually) objectified based on their looks, but there they are, a multitude of stories about sexy woman written for other women, and replete with sexy pictures of other women.

  66. Twenty says:

    @ Höllenhund

    PMAFT covered the Powers piece a while back.

    “Man Up”-based policy is a bridge too far, I think. You can’t destroy social cohesion on the one hand, and rely on it (to shame men) on the other.

  67. Lily says:

    @slwerner
    Peter Andre appears to be a good father to both their children together and her first child* However, it must be said (well actually not ‘must’ :-)) that getting with her brought Peter Andre back from the brink of obscurity. Meeting her on the ‘celebrity’ island show and later marrying her has probably done more for his net worth than his one hit wonder days. And for her it was probably a low point in her life and as well as his fit body and nice personality, she got another revenue stream (they had tv shows on their relationship).

    * she had this child by a footballer (she dated quite a few footballers) her early 20s and he has quite a few birth/development defects. Some people have said that it was because she was drinking during her pregnancy. The drinking at least is probably true as during part of her pregnancy she was on television partying with Hugh Hefner. Can’t remember what it was, Jordan in America? Maybe she had a deal with Playboy.

    She is a very savvy operator. Her name Jordan originally first comes from a deal she did with a formula 1 team of the same name, who let’s say had more dash than cash. Having a half naked young woman in the pit lane was a good way to get more television and other coverage than otherwise. I think she was a late teenager at the time. I saw a picture of her in a book I read on the team. Her age 32 seems about right to me, maybe a bit older but not much. She’s looked a bit rough since she became Jordan proper. That book cover is probably airbrushed a lot. That said she always used to look different when in ‘Jordan mode’ as opposed to when she was Katie Price (and looked quite young).

    She is apparently a very good horsewoman. She lives not too far away from a friend I was in pony club with when I was little.

    It is slightly amusing she doesn’t take herself too seriously. I imagine the Kardashian (s?) probably do.

  68. Lily says:

    “Weird that the “Femail Today” sidebar is fulled with items about celebrity women in bikini’s”
    It is particularly weird compared to the front page of the newspaper. Google image Daily Mail front page. I’m not sure I can bear to look, it will be all ‘asylum seekers’, ‘benefit scroungers’ and ‘evil career women’.

  69. Anonymous says:

    Yes, the media panders to the lower class because it is the lower class who spends money irresponsibly on cars, clothes, vacations, and junk food. Its not mistake that the rise of targeted television advertising in the early 60s(as depicted in Mad Men) accompanied the creation of welfare.

  70. Lily says:

    Why did you stop going to the pony club? Adulthood is no reason to discontinue the pony club
    Actually, it is😉 They’d throw you out if you didn’t outgrow it first.

  71. Krakonos says:

    @Höllenhund
    This not ignorance. This is evil.
    One thing I noticed is that evil ideologies when facing unexpected output to their actions double those actions further and further. Untill the final collapse.
    Things are getting only worse in coming years (and decades).

  72. slwerner says:

    Lily – ”Peter Andre appears to be a good father to both their children together and her first child* However, it must be said (well actually not ‘must’ ) that getting with her brought Peter Andre back from the brink of obscurity.”

    I wasn’t meaning to suggest that Peter Andre was in any way superior to her. I actually had no idea who he was, nor what he had done to rate “celeb” status.

    Rather, I was noting that the inclusion of a link to an article about his happy holidays with a younger and much hotter woman (along with the children) seemed to under-cut the intent of playing up her “don’t need no man”/empowerment/divorce porn in the article about her comparatively pathetic drunken/drugged-up partying with her seemingly dysfunctional family.

  73. Rmaxd says:

    @YBM

    “Mass culture is fundamentally lower-class culture, and UMC whites see this mass culture as being good an emulate it. ”

    Exactly, celebrities & celebrity culture are basically first world, under class structures

    Celebrities are basically used to gloss over the fact, how fucked up & COMPLETELY self destructive the lower class culture really is

    Celebetrism is basically dumassery damage limitation, dumbassery damage control, for the mass dumbed up masses

    Celebrities are basically used to cover up the atrocities & ignorance & travesty of a backward inbred underclass living in a first world culture

    If we never had celebrities, we would hear about the hideous MASSIVE numbers of abortions, & the tragic rampant under education of MILLIONS of children, who are FORCED to go on the dole, because they can BARELY READ …

    The first world lower class & the poor, have to be the worst acts of criminality, ever inflicted on man

    These newspapers & celebtrity culture are a SLICK PR CAMPAIGN, to cover up the atrocities of the lower class in a first world country

    Upto the 18th & early 19th century, there was literally a MINORITY of lower class & poor

    In cities like London, prior to the rise of the feminised states, the middle class were the MAJORITY

    This is reinforced by the fact, ALSO upto around 70-80% of the population were literate to ridiculously high levels

    Basically the historians’ve lied to you, the poor & lower class as a majority, are a NEW PHENOMENON

    The poor & lower class are basically socially engineered sleight of hand, in a first world country, they should not be there …

    ie, The NEW PHENOMENON of a MASSIVE MAJORITY of lower class & under class, are SO DAMAGED, by an economic policy of destruction & social & culture devestation of millions & millions of people, to the point these people CANT EVEN READ into adulthood, let alone form a functioning social unit, as family

    They are the REASON why single mothers, no longer mourn their lost husbands, they’re life isnt really that bad …

    I’m a single mother … WWKPD … What would Kate Price Do …

  74. Lily says:

    @slwerner
    I know you didn’t. Peter Andre seems like a good guy though. I have only ever seen a bit of Katie Price’s programme which had her mother in it, but her mother seems ok. Always trying to talk her out of things and looking after the children, including Harvey the first one (Katie Price apparently doesn’t trust nannies. This goes with her class). Until he got with her he hadn’t been heard of for a long time. Presumably he was back in Australia during those missing years. Prior to that, he’d been part of that whole thing the British public had with Australian soap stars/ singers/actors (Kylie, Jason, Natalie Imbruglia, Isla Fisher etc) but a minor one. I think he had one hit which was about an island girl. KP did well with him though, he was better looking than her footballers.

    @TFH
    A lot of very young girls are ponymad, I enjoyed riding but I wasn’t into it the same way some are. Posters on the wall etc. Also pony club was a bit ‘rah’ for me and a lot of young female on female stuff you wouldn’t understand. Just with the added drama of rosettes lol And then I went away to school so it naturally petered out, but I rode a bit at school. I don’t ride much these days and I’m not a member of a club, but I do enjoy it still. I have access to a friend’s horse if I go ‘home’.

  75. Lily says:

    “Upto the 18th & early 19th century, there was literally a MINORITY of lower class & poor”
    Have you got any sources on this? I would have imagined there were a lot of working classes (but actually working – the working classes used to be respectable) and the upper working classes now make up the lower middle class (post second world war social mobility)?

    I would also imagine the upper classes and the lower classes had more in common in morals than the middle class. Wasn’t it a big thing with the Royal Family after what happened with Edward & Mrs Simpson that they were trying to act more middle class and cater to the Daily Mail readers

    Perhaps the forefathers of the chavs are either respectable working class people or the people for whom the strict licensing laws had to be brought in (as they were too drunk to work in the armaments factories) or child benefit for that matter.

  76. ybm says:

    @TFH
    “In the US and UK, in the 19th century, life expectancy was just 40-45”

    I just need to point out that for the majority of the low life expectancies of the past millenia are very closely tied to infant mortality and warfare. People still lived into their old age, in fact in the upper paleolithic the life expectancy for someone who didn’t die in the first 5 years of life was almost 60 years old in Europe.

  77. imnobody says:

    @ybm

    I agree. But you have a link to the relevant articles or web pages that state that. I have always wanted to have a good reference.

  78. Buck says:

    I’m not a social media type, but on occasion I’ve spied on my daughter’s pal’s FB, Myspace etc and have noted the introductory page/profile where they give their vital stats and then there are the lists of hobbies, interests, etc…then there is the category ..”books” and the usual comment is “huh?” You know, like literacy is to be mocked. Books are for social misfits.
    Good God!

  79. clarence says:

    http://www.amptoons.com/blog/2012/01/02/did-no-fault-divorce-create-a-divorce-culture/
    A repost from the “Family Scholars” blog. Of course the answer, to them, is no.
    Here’s something from Amp you MIGHT find interesting Dalrock:

    “Really good comments, everyone. Thanks.

    I am planning to do a followup post about the many benefits of no-fault divorce; in this post I just wanted to push back against the idea that no-fault divorce laws created high divorce rates. I’m not sure how much that idea comes up in lefty forums, but on right-wing forums it’s accepted as a matter of faith.”

  80. ybm says:

    @imnobody

    http://www.unm.edu/~hkaplan/KaplanHillLancasterHurtado_2000_LHEvolution.pdf

    On page 158 is a chart which compares different current forager cultures lifespans if they survive to certain ages but please take it with a heavy dose of salt because there is no true way of proving current “paleolithic cultures” like the !Kung have any relevance at all to our ancestors. The study was mere speculation really (that’s what I get for looking at a wikipedia link for evidence of anything…..)

    The problem with the paleo thing is that it is closely tied with that paleolithic diet fad that is sweeping the west these days.

  81. She’s got a strong, high T man-jaw. If you can get past the feeling you might be fucking a post-op tranny I bet she’s a tiger in bed.

  82. Lily says:

    Opus The Duchess of Cambridge. Whereas Cambridge has (so far) done everything right
    Seems some may think not. The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge cohabited in the final year of university days. Well I think they shared the same house before (with other people) but they moved to a cottage together then.

  83. Rmaxd says:

    @Lily
    ““Upto the 18th & early 19th century, there was literally a MINORITY of lower class & poor”
    Have you got any sources on this?”

    http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/newsandevents/pressreleases/medieval_england_twice

    Medieval England twice as well off as today’s poorest nations

    New research led by economists at the University of Warwick reveals that medieval England was not only far more prosperous than previously believed, it also actually boasted an average income that would be more than double the average per capita income of the world’s poorest nations today.

    The figure of $400 annually (as expressed in 1990 international dollars) is commonly is used as a measure of “bare bones subsistence” and was previously believed to be the average income in England in the middle ages.

    However the University of Warwick led researchers found that English per capita incomes in the late Middle Ages were actually of the order of $1,000 (again as expressed in 1990 dollars). Even on the eve of the Black Death, which first struck in 1348/49, the researchers found per capita incomes in England of more than $800 using the same 1990 dollar measure. Their estimates for other European countries also suggest late medieval living standards well above $400.

    This new figure of $1,000 is not only significantly higher than previous estimates for that period in England – it also indicates that on average medieval England was better off than some of the world’s poorest nations today including the following (again average annual income as expressed in 1990 dollars).

  84. Rmaxd says:

    “The research provides the first annual estimates of GDP for England between 1270 and 1700 and for Great Britain between 1700 and 1870. Far more data are available for the pre-1870 period than is widely realised. Britain after the Norman conquest was a literate and numerate society that generated substantial written records, many of which have survived. As a result, the research was aided by a wide variety of records – among them manorial records, tithes, farming records, and probate records.”

    Professor Broadberry further said that:

    “Our research shows that the path to the Industrial Revolution began far earlier than commonly has been understood. A widely held view of economic history suggests that the Industrial Revolution of 1800 suddenly took off, in the wake of centuries without sustained economic growth or appreciable improvements in living standards in England from the days of the hunter-gatherer. By contrast, we find that the Industrial Revolution did not come out of the blue. Rather, it was the culmination of a long period of economic development stretching back as far as the late medieval period.”

    Notes for editors

    The research is published as a research paper by the University of Warwick’s Centre on Competitive Advantage in the Global Economy (CAGE). And is entailed “British Economic Growth, 1270-1870”. It is part of an ongoing project looking at historical patterns of development and underdevelopment.

    The full paper is available at:

    http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics/staff/academic/broadberry/wp/britishgdplongrun8a.pdf

  85. imnobody says:

    Thank you, ybm. You nailed it. There is no hard data for the societies where the human biology evolved, that is, the “Environment of evolutionary adaptedness”. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_psychology#Environment_of_evolutionary_adaptedness)
    As far as I know, this is the Achilles’ heels for evolutionary psychology.

  86. Ray Manta says:

    ybm wrote:
    I just need to point out that for the majority of the low life expectancies of the past millenia are very closely tied to infant mortality and warfare.

    It seems that warfare has been a pretty important determiner of mortality throughout human history. And you’re right that infancy/early childhood has been the most dangerous time of life for people.

    People still lived into their old age, in fact in the upper paleolithic the life expectancy for someone who didn’t die in the first 5 years of life was almost 60 years old in Europe.

    Your source for this estimate? John Hawk’s blog references a paper which suggests that prehistoric death rates of adults was very high by modern standards. Much of it was due to homicide, although disease and accident also took a considerable toll.

  87. Eric says:

    Today my lunch was unceremoniously ruined because the cafe had the ‘Jerry Springer Show’ on in the background. Springer’s guest was a disgusting baboon of a male who was dumping his girlfriend (whom he’d met in 8th grade and had two kids with) for another woman he’d met in a strip-club. Both women were super-attractive and got into a fist-fight on stage over this creep.

    I guess that must be a specimen of ‘the media’s obsession with relationship status’ that Dalrock referred to in his article—LOL.

    More to the point, though, when these bitches complain that they ‘don’t need a man’; as usual, they are lying: they simply don’t want to admit to the type of ‘man’ that they really ‘need’: useless pieces of human waste to whom women can easily feel superior.

    As another case in point; I was discussing with a client this topic; and he was arguing NAWALT— despite the fact that’s he’s nearly 50 and hasn’t had anything but women abandon him for lowlifes all his life. I pointed out to him that his lot was no different from any other guy we knew: all either still single or dragged through brutal divorces that left their lives in ruins. Then, we named six of the worst males whom we mutually knew—without going into the lurid details, suffice to say this is a SERIOUS collection of scumbags—and guess what we calculated? Between those six guys: 22 kids by 15 different women!

    Anyone still want to argue that Anglo/American really want relationships with real men? Just look outside your own window LOL. Cold-blooded, man-hating, self-centered bitches—all of ’em!

  88. ybm says:

    Look back a few posts to see that I withdrew the paleolithic reference as the source that was cited in the information I looked up I found unreliable (evolutionary psychologists may accept such evidence but I didn’t find it convincing). However we do know that in our common era of the last millenia warfare and infant mortality were enormous pressures on life expectancy and caused a distortion of life expectancies on a macro level, which we both agree on if I’m reading your post correctly.

  89. Legion says:

    Yeah, Katie’s face ain’t perfect, but it’s not as though she is a 3-bagger. Plus she still has a rockin bod. Some of that won’t budge for her entire life either.

  90. straightright says:

    Katie Price is a tragedy. I’d never heard of her before seeing this blog post. Looking at the photo above of her in the book store, I couldn’t help but notice the tackiness of it. Who puts their leg up on a table like that? With her crotch exposed? It’s really tacky. My nieces, only a few years old, know that “feet are for floors.” She obviously needs to be the center of attention, as that photo shows, and as the twitter photos showed. Maybe she never got much when she was younger. And the pictures grerp linked to – with all the botox, plastic surgery, and dental work. One wonders if her dad never told her that he loved her as she is, and she didn’t need to do all that. And then you go to wikipedia and there it is:

    “In 1982, at the age of four, her parents separated when her father left the family.”

  91. Ray Manta says:

    ybm wrote:
    However we do know that in our common era of the last millenia warfare and infant mortality were enormous pressures on life expectancy and caused a distortion of life expectancies on a macro level, which we both agree on if I’m reading your post correctly.

    They were both significant factors in historic times, with infant mortality at the head. The transition to Hunter-Gatherer to sedentary societies is associated with a huge drop in the adult risk of death due to homicide.

  92. Rmaxd says:

    ““In 1982, at the age of four, her parents separated when her father left the family.”

    More likely driven away by the wife, have you seen her mother … very definition of lower class, trash …

  93. Rmaxd says:

    @Eric

    “As another case in point; I was discussing with a client this topic; and he was arguing NAWALT— despite the fact that’s he’s nearly 50 and hasn’t had anything but women abandon him for lowlifes all his life.”

    For some reason alot of 50 yr olds complain about their wives & women, but if you point out the women are all sluts & whores, they tend to turn into mangina’s … hilarious ..

  94. ray says:

    yeah straightright — loathe the foot on table, oh me oh entitled Me! the photo is quite a tableaux of arrogance and self-worship, like the surgeries etc

    the new moneyed and empowered of western culture… yikes

    “In 1982, at the age of four, her parents separated when her father left the family.”

    ok well i heard “sprinted away from” but, whatever

  95. Ulick McGee says:

    Young Katie Price photos, she did look hot at one time.

    Abe Lincoln apparently said that “every man over 40 is responsible for his face”. Apparently, she is a nasty, cupid stunt. When we look at her face today and shudder, we are seeing the ugliness of her soul.

    http://www.mademan.com/chickipedia/katie-price/photosgallery/Katie_Price-after-skin-smoking-hot-soft-eyes-chicki-chickipedia-babe-stunning-sexy-before/

    http://www.mademan.com/chickipedia/katie-price/photosgallery/Katie_Price-soft-skin-hot-smoking-hot-chickipedia-young/

  96. Bobby C489 says:

    If you were a U.S. reader of Playboy around 10 years ago, then you probably saw her in that fine publication when she was better looking. Her name was always Jordan then. I always thought there was something a little “off” about her, and PB certainly used the airbrush, but if she looked anything close to that in real life she really went downhill fast. She was like the 42 year old Pam Anderson ( or worse) by 26-27. One of those busty “models” who remains busty but not much else and looks “high mileage.”

  97. krakonos says:

    @Ray Manta
    I do not have any sources (in English language) but life expectancy really was ~ 60 years when you had survived first 20 years (when you managed to survive into adulthood). At least in mediaeval times.
    And homicide is still common cause of death in H-G societies. In worst cases 40% of all deaths are due to homicide.
    @Eric
    We can very fast return to the level of H-G societies. When it comes to brutality of life. Women want it for some reason (they prefer such men).

  98. Just1X says:

    @Ulick McGee says: January 4, 2012 at 12:25 am

    Nice links thanks.

    “You’ve come a long way baby” down a VERY rough road

  99. Ray Manta says:

    krakonos wrote:
    I do not have any sources (in English language)

    Google translate does an ok job these days for non-English texts. If they’re online, you can post them.

    but life expectancy really was ~ 60 years when you had survived first 20 years (when you managed to survive into adulthood).

    If you don’t have the sources, how do you know for sure?

    At least in mediaeval times.
    I was specifically referencing prehistoric times. An adult homicide risk of 40% seems very likely to lower the mean adult lifespan below 60.

    We can very fast return to the level of H-G societies. When it comes to brutality of life.

    No we can’t, unless we become H-Gs again. Even the most barbaric sedentary societies are far more peaceful overall than H-G societies. And levels of violence have been going down for centuries, maybe millenia.

    Women want it for some reason (they prefer such men).

    What they want doesn’t seem likely to cause more than local reversals of a systematic downward trend.

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  101. krakonos says:

    @Ray Manta
    My fault, I have only information about mediaval times. The source I had in mind was reffering to changes in child mortality (modern times to late medieval times) and chances to live up to certain age when you managed to survive to adulthood. Unfortunately I cannot find precise source so fast, so at least here is some short information for life expectancy in 14th-15th century Tuscany (the article is about old age in mediaval times, so you will have to browse through). 15% of population were 60+. When you count with high child mortality and birth rates. It is not bad. In the end of middle ages situation was somewhat better (if there was no plague epidemy around🙂 ).
    Good luck with Google traslate. Original article is here:
    http://www.souvislosti.cz/297nod.html

    No we can’t, unless we become H-Gs again.
    I had Africa in mind (especially West Africa and Congo/Zaire). There is more than enough violence.

  102. krakonos says:

    @Ray Manta
    40% of deaths was the worst measured value. As I remember, different tribes had different levels depending on their life style and agression. Values were somewhere between 15% and 40%. But I do not know if I can find the source.

  103. Ray Manta says:

    Krakonos wrote:
    (about 14-15th century Tuscany)
    15% of population were 60+. When you count with high child mortality and birth rates. It is not bad.

    It’s quite impressive. The translation was a bit spotty but good enough for me to understand the gist of the article.

    (concerning homicide rates)
    I had Africa in mind (especially West Africa and Congo/Zaire). There is more than enough violence

    The url below has a chart of homicide rate per 100,000 population. Africa’s is quite high although there are a few Latin America countries that are higher. The overall death rate still appears to be lower than for typical H-G societies.

    http://chartsbin.com/view/1454
    http://www.darwinwars.com/chagnon.html

    40% of deaths was the worst measured value. As I remember, different tribes had different levels depending on their life style and agression. Values were somewhere between 15% and 40%. But I do not know if I can find the source.>/em>

    John Hawk’s blog references a paper on mortality rates for H-Gs. It might be of interest to you.

  104. Krakonos says:

    @Ray Manta
    Thanks, If I have some time I will look at the blog. I am employed in a private company, so I have to work from dawn till dusk (unlike government emplyees😉 ). And I desperately lack free time…

  105. Eric says:

    Krakanos:
    I don’t think that we could return to hunter/gather societies like that. Most of those thugs that women want couldn’t survive an hour in a culture like that. Beneath all their mock-bravado and hyper-masculine posturing, these guys are as utterly dependent on women as any metrosexual type. These guys I mentioned are all supported either by their wives/girlfriends or the welfare state. women chose these men for their weakness, not for their superficial strength.

    Take a look at a guy like Justin Beiber: ‘the hottest guy in America: a moral, intellectual, and physical weakling—the perfect package for the ‘independent’ Amerobitch. How hard can it be to feel superior to men like that? Not at all.

    On the other hand, though, we had an interesting discussion on another blog a few months ago about the future sociology of the Anglosphere. The general consensus was that, as our ‘liberated’ women continue to produce degenerated offspring with these losers, a semi-savage lower class would emerge; mostly made up of petty criminals and welfare deadbeats. The new middle class would be MGTOWs and men who’ve started families with traditional/and immigrant wives. The differences between these two classes will be like the differences between civilization and outright barbarism; and society will be even more stratified than it is now.

    Anyway, it has a lot of interesting ramifications, and trends seem to indicate that’s how matters will play out.

  106. Eric says:

    Rmaxd:

    Most of these manginas are in deep psychological denial. They don’t really believe in NAWALT; but they strongly wish it were true. Probably most men wish it were true; but wishes don’t change the reality of the situation. They have to accept the reality before they can make positive changes; and the best change is to get as far out of the US relationship scene as possible.

  107. Rmaxd says:

    @Eric

    lol yep

    A manginas silver lining is basically NAWALT

    Mangina is essentially a mastery of women

    These guys actually think paying for dates, buying them crap, getting the woman a mortgage, sucking up to a woman, makes them players …

    As they dont manipulate, the woman make’s them wait months for a lay, makes them good players with integrity

    Whats even worse, they genuinely believe letting the woman talk smack & walk all over you, is the honorable thing

    They believe if they stand up to them, you hurt a womans honour & purity …

    Personally I get a kick out of talking smack to these guys wives, & seeing their jaws drop

    One old dude, I told his wife, we should trade her in for some camels, as she was serving dinner … lol, he cldnt believe his ears …

    lol never leave me alone with your wife, i’ll talk smack to her, & she’ll be nagging you for months …

    I also told his wife, her daughter wear something from the neck up like a burka …. or a paperbag

    Damn i love talking smack lol …

    What her husband doesnt realise, talking smack is how i pick up women, women lap that shit up …

    His wife made the grave error of telling me vegetables were better then meat, I pointed out her preference for carrots, & she was all over me for the rest of the week … lol

    Of course i told her she couldnt drive & her driving has a thing for lamp posts & pedestrians … good times …

  108. deti says:

    @ Eric:

    I don’t agree with everything you say, but this I agree with:

    “I don’t think that we could return to hunter/gather societies like that. Most of those thugs that women want couldn’t survive an hour in a culture like that. Beneath all their mock-bravado and hyper-masculine posturing, these guys are as utterly dependent on women as any metrosexual type. These guys I mentioned are all supported either by their wives/girlfriends or the welfare state. women chose these men for their weakness, not for their superficial strength.

    “Take a look at a guy like Justin Bieber: ‘the hottest guy in America: a moral, intellectual, and physical weakling—the perfect package for the ‘independent’ Amerobitch. How hard can it be to feel superior to men like that? Not at all.”

    Nailed it. Most of the alpha traits you see depicted either in bars or clubs, or in television shows or films, are pure artifice, I think: it’s mimicry and imitation. And these girls just lap it up hook, line and sinker. I’m convinced it is because girls aren’t being taught how to recognize true alphas.

    I knew an HB 8 who dated this drummer for two years. He was good looking, and in a small time local blues band. Our intrepid HB 8, at age 26 and probably rapidly approaching The Wall, quickly became his f**kbuddy and moved in with him. Immediately she discovered he was 3 months behind on the rent and had to pay it up to keep from getting kicked out. This zero had nothing but his clothes, a crappy minimum wage day job and a drum kit. He had no car; she let him drive hers. (In the midwest where I live, a car is a necessity.) She basically supported them until two years later, she discovered he’d cheated on her (and that’s just what she found out about and he had to confess). She’d had enough, broke up with him and moved out. He broke down crying as he watched her leave.

    Think he learned anything from it? Nope, he’s still slumming and drumming, convinced that he’s the next John Bonham or Tommy Lee who’ll make the big time, when the money, the booze and the poon will really flow freely.

    So this HB 8 wasted two years on a bad boy/thug/lowlife, who has absolutely nothing going for him but his own belief in his own awesomeness.

  109. Doc says:

    “Doesn’t it really irk you to realize that these women will earn more than the most educated and talented engineers, doctors and scientists?”

    Actually it doesn’t and the reason is simple – that is true only for a very short time. It’s like the foot-ball player getting 20 million dollars a year. He may be so racked up in a year or three that he can barely walk and will have to deal with the after-effects for the rest of his life. I wouldn’t trade my life for his. Women, especially attractive ones, have a very short shelf-life, and they can remember how it used to be… Which only makes it all the more bitter.

    Not long ago, I ran into a woman whom I bedded regularly in college. She was a babe back then – I was a grad-student and she was an incoming co-ed – fresh out of high-school, ripe for the picking. Fast forward 20 years and add lots of winkles, so she’s 37, but looks 57. I didn’t recognize her. I saw her and kept thinking, “she looks like someone I should know,” but I couldn’t place her. I was thinking she was older than me so was trying to place her as someone older, and couldn’t. She finally came up and said, “You haven’t changed in 20 years!.” Which was untrue – physically I shave my head when I used to have hair down to my waist – these days I wear a jacket and tie, and then I wore a motorcycle jacket – but anyone who knew me then, would know me now at a glance. But I was dumb-struck – I recognized her voice – this was Jasmine. How do you answer something like that? I sputtered since I couldn’t say, “You look as lovely as you did then.” She didn’t. She saved me by saying something like, “I know. You didn’t recognize me.” It was hard to figure out how that lovely creature with perky breasts, and a playful sexuality who had me enthralled for most of my last year of grad-school became this… Then, she was a HB9+, and today – she doesn’t even make the rating-scale… Today, she is a sexual non-entity… Still makes me shudder to think about…

    That is one of cruelties of time when it comes to women – they blossom, and like a flower loses it’s pedals, so does a woman wither – oh so quickly… So in those short 10 years when she is at her peak, she has to savor every second since all too soon, it will be gone never to return. It doesn’t matter what else she may accomplish – the life she once took for granted is gone…

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